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Title: Larrivée Terms and Acronyms
Post by: ST on December 26, 2009, 10:16:58 PM
Hi,

This thread is an ongoing discussion of terms and acronyms to be included in this web page

Larrivée Terms and Acronyms (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Terms_and_Acronyms)



Edit: The original post appears below


Hi Folks,

Can you help me with some of the acronyms used around here?

I just read a recent post and it has so many acronyms that for me, it may as well have been in some other language. I'm one of those people who gets a total case of frustrated brain freeze when people use acronyms. It can just about bring me to tears, or at least to the point of ignoring the attempt at communication.

Here are the terms

FM
IS
MT
OHSC
PB
RW
SH



I'm sure there are more in common use around here and if anyone can think of any and would be kind enough to expand them so that someone like me could understand, I'd be very grateful.

Thanks

ST


Post Script - I intend to create a wiki page of acronyms and common terms used when discussing Larrivée Guitars.  I'lll do that for my own sanity. If it helps others, that will be a bonus.
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 26, 2009, 10:34:37 PM
An acronym like ST for instance  :roll :roll                        :humour:
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: tuffythepug on December 26, 2009, 10:48:29 PM
ST, if you are looking for definitions of the acronyms I can help you out a bit.

FM =  flamed maple
IS  =  Italian Spruce
MT  =  Mahogany Top
OHSC =  Original hard shell case
PB  =  phospher bronze (strings)
RW  = Rosewood
SH  =  slothead

T the P =  Tuffythepug   :smile:
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 26, 2009, 10:59:12 PM
OK a couple more :

BR - Brazilian Rosewood

MR  - Madagascar Rosewood

IR - Indian Rosewood

QM - Quilted Maple

BC  - Bearclaw

LS - Larrivee L series "short"

OMV - Orchestra Model with a cutaway
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: flatlander on December 26, 2009, 11:27:13 PM
Quote from: tuffythepug on December 26, 2009, 10:48:29 PM
ST, if you are looking for definitions of the acronyms I can help you out a bit.

FM =  flamed maple
IS  =  Italian Spruce
MT  =  Mahogany Top
OHSC =  Original hard shell case
PB  +  phospher bronze (strings)
RW  = Rosewood
SH  +  slothead

T the P +  Tuffythepug   :smile:
Thanks for that Tuffy. And Bill thanks you too. He now knows the the definition of "IS" is indeed Italian spruce.
That clears thing up for me as well. I thought someone was sending me coded messages to turn on my radio, drive to Montana in my souped up over head super cam truck while eating peanut butter sandwiches and then start a right wing cult.  And when I said that didn't really  sound like me and they replied "well how about 12F, SH" I thought they were saying something really nasty and calling me a shix head. Thanks, Bill and I feel much better now.
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: Danny on December 27, 2009, 12:22:21 AM
NH= Knucklehead...          don't ask me why it's not KH cause I really don't know.
MH= just good ole S.American Mahogany  
SO= Special Order

So what does ST stand for :whistling:
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: Danny on December 27, 2009, 12:29:26 AM
Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on December 26, 2009, 10:59:12 PM
OK a couple more :

BR - Brazilian Rosewood

MR  - Madagascar Rosewood

IR - Indian Rosewood

QM - Quilted Maple

BC  - Bearclaw

LS - Larrivee L series "short"

OMV - Orchestra Model with a cutaway

LS actually means "Larrivee Small Body" and it was the first steel string sized body JCL made that was his own design. I think the first one was made in 1968.
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: ST on December 27, 2009, 03:42:04 AM
Hi JOYCEfromNS

It came from a nickname from 30 some years ago. I no longer use that nickname but the story is here:

ST (http://shadowtoonz.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!5FBC981056CCCFC1!132.entry)


Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on December 26, 2009, 10:34:37 PM
An acronym like ST for instance  :roll :roll                        :humour:
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: ST on December 27, 2009, 04:54:09 AM
Hi Everyone,

Thanks for your help.

Here's what I've got so far.


Larrivée Acronyms (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Acronyms)

anything else to add?
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: BenF on December 27, 2009, 05:08:27 AM
TSB - tobacco sunburst
SBT - sunburst top
EIRW - east Indian rosewood (full title)
SO - silver oak
BB - bubinga
SO - sapele
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: ST on December 27, 2009, 05:26:56 AM
Hi Ben,

Thanks - I have now updated the page to include the acronyms in your post.

Larrivée Acronyms (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Acronyms)
Title: Re: Acronyms - one more guess
Post by: jumpjibe on December 27, 2009, 07:22:55 AM
SD -- slope dred?

Perhaps the single letters should also be included, e.g.:

W -- walnut

D -- dred

P or O -- parlour

etc.

Your list should be very useful.  Thx!!
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: Danny on December 27, 2009, 11:56:04 AM
ST  this is shaping up nicely.

           I think SP is sapele instead of SO.
Also TSB and SBT are the two designations for either a ''Total SunBurst" or just a "SunBurst Top"
Title: Re: Acronyms - one more guess
Post by: ST on December 27, 2009, 12:13:44 PM
Hi jumpjibe,

I'm fine with single letter acronyms... but are they all that common? I see the two and three letter acronyms most of the time.


What do you think folks?

Also - how about this?

SD = Slope Shoulder Dreadnought?  (Larrivée  Describes this as the Traditional Series (http://www.larrivee.com/instruments/acoustics/index.php)





Quote from: jumpjibe on December 27, 2009, 07:22:55 AM
SD -- slope dred?

Perhaps the single letters should also be included, e.g.:

W -- walnut

D -- dred

P or O -- parlour

etc.

Your list should be very useful.  Thx!!

Quote from: jumpjibe on December 27, 2009, 07:22:55 AM
SD -- slope dred?

Perhaps the single letters should also be included, e.g.:

W -- walnut

D -- dred

P or O -- parlour

etc.

Your list should be very useful.  Thx!!
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: ST on December 27, 2009, 12:21:02 PM
Thanks Danny,

Does anyone else have an opinion on this:

TSB - Total Sunburst

or

TSB - Tobacco Sunburst



Quote from: dependan on December 27, 2009, 11:56:04 AM
ST  this is shaping up nicely.

           I think SP is sapele instead of SO.
Also TSB and SBT are the two designations for either a ''Total SunBurst" or just a "SunBurst Top"
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: tadol on December 27, 2009, 02:52:56 PM
I agree with Danny - Usually TSB is Total sunburst ( back and sides included ) and SBT is sunburst top ( no burst on back and sides )

EJ - non coated D'Addarios, available in -16s, -17s, -19s, etc -
EXP - coated D'Addadrios, available in -16s, -17s, -19s, etc -

IR - Infra-red,   EIR - East Indian Rosewood ( as in East Indies, never seen West Indian rosewood )

And I still think that LS is L-Small, but maybe it was designed before the L - I  thought it came later -

Great work ST -

Tad
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: ST on December 27, 2009, 03:00:57 PM
Hi Tad,

Funny I just added the EJ and EXP acronyms with links to the D'Addario site.

East Indian Rosewood is in the list.

LS  Larrivée Small is in the list with a link to the dimensions.

TSB is now Total Sunburst - I didn't know about the back and sides included

Does anyone have a picture of a Total Sunburst Larrivee?

I'm also looking for pictures of of a Florentine Cutaway Larrivee - thanks.





Quote from: tadol on December 27, 2009, 02:52:56 PM
I agree with Danny - Usually TSB is Total sunburst ( back and sides included ) and SBT is sunburst top ( no burst on back and sides )

EJ - non coated D'Addarios, available in -16s, -17s, -19s, etc -
EXP - coated D'Addadrios, available in -16s, -17s, -19s, etc -

IR - Infra-red,   EIR - East Indian Rosewood ( as in East Indies, never seen West Indian rosewood )

And I still think that LS is L-Small, but maybe it was designed before the L - I  thought it came later -

Great work ST -

Tad

Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: Danny on December 27, 2009, 03:41:02 PM
Quote from: ST on December 27, 2009, 03:00:57 PM
Hi Tad,

Funny I just added the EJ and EXP acronyms with links to the D'Addario site.

East Indian Rosewood is in the list.

LS  Larrivée Small is in the list with a link to the dimensions.

TSB is now Total Sunburst - I didn't know about the back and sides included

Does anyone have a picture of a Total Sunburst Larrivee?

I'm also looking for pictures of of a Florentine Cutaway Larrivee - thanks.





There is a parlor TSB in the for sale section right now.
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: ST on December 27, 2009, 04:00:48 PM
Hi Danny

Gotta a link?

I can't see it (looking for TSB)

Quote from: dependan on December 27, 2009, 03:41:02 PM
  There is a parlor TSB in the for sale section right now.
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: BenF on December 27, 2009, 04:31:25 PM
Quote from: tadol on December 27, 2009, 02:52:56 PM
I agree with Danny - Usually TSB is Total sunburst ( back and sides included )


sorry, my mistake.
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: jumpjibe on December 27, 2009, 05:03:27 PM
I think one sees BZ most often, at least with Larris, for Brazilian.  So not BR
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 27, 2009, 05:15:42 PM
Lets not forget GAS!!!!!! Guitar Acquisition Syndrome or for you worldly types Gear Acquisition Syndrome   :cheers
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: Danny on December 27, 2009, 05:17:32 PM
Quote from: ST on December 27, 2009, 04:00:48 PM
Hi Danny

Gotta a link?

I can't see it (looking for TSB)

I couldn't find the parlor again. But here is a link to a 000-50TSB
http://www.thepodium.com/    Once there click on used guitars and scroll down just a bit.
This is in our for sale section by a member here:
  http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=28883.msg268602#msg268602

   Also I agree that BZ is seen mostly for Brazilian Rosewood
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: Danny on December 27, 2009, 05:26:29 PM
Here some of the details on the above mentioned 000-50 TSB.   Note that JCL paints all the bursts and the use of the term "total sunburst"

All Solid Woods
Single Piece Select South American Mahogany Neck
Very Straight, Wider Grained Sitka Spruce Top, (unique and beautiful)
Select South American Mahogany Back and Sides
Maple Binding
Total Body Sunburst Painted by J.C. Larrivée
1&13/16s Nut Width
12 Frets Clear
Slotted Headstock
Ivoroid Fretboard Binding
Pearl Diamond Fretboard Markers
Ebony Fretboard And Ebony Pyramid Bridge
Bone Nut And Saddle
Nickel 3-On-A-Plate Tuners
Original Arched Top Case
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 27, 2009, 05:36:51 PM
JCL   - JCL logo (Jean Claude Larrivee)
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: ST on December 27, 2009, 06:44:23 PM
Okay gang,

here is the link to the page now with the suggestions above and a few more I've added (eg. CNC).

Larrivée Terms and Acronyms (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Terms_and_Acronyms)

There are also links to pictures for the TSB (Total Sunburst)

Thanks for the suggestions.

Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: Danny on December 27, 2009, 06:51:32 PM
 Why the use of Taylors for illustrations?  I can give you a pic of my LSV-11.
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: ST on December 27, 2009, 07:04:07 PM
Quote from: dependan on December 27, 2009, 06:51:32 PM
Why the use of Taylors for illustrations?  I can give you a pic of my LSV-11.

Hi Danny
please post the picture and I'll use it. Thanks

I just used the Taylor pix because they were uniform size for comparison.  I'll have to do some fiddlin' to do the same with a couple of pictures of Larrivées.

Anybody got pictures of a Florentine cutaway?
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: Danny on December 27, 2009, 07:36:54 PM
Quote from: ST on December 27, 2009, 07:04:07 PM
Hi Danny
please post the picture and I'll use it. Thanks

I just used the Taylor pix because they were uniform size for comparison.  I'll have to do some fiddlin' to do the same with a couple of pictures of Larrivées.

Anybody got pictures of a Florentine cutaway?

                      LSV-11   I will find a more generic pic if you want it.

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Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 27, 2009, 08:40:00 PM
Quote from: dependan on December 27, 2009, 07:36:54 PM
                      LSV-11   I will find a more generic pic if you want it.

I know this is not the place BUT  :nice guitar:   :thumb
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: Danny on December 27, 2009, 08:51:21 PM
Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on December 27, 2009, 08:40:00 PM
I know this is not the place BUT  :nice guitar:   :thumb
Thanks, it is a true LS small body, but the last I knew Matthew Larrivee had it. I really liked that one, it was part of the inspiration for the F-III.

   I guess I should add, my next LSV-11e was larger, which is also why we insisted that Larrivee build the F-III LS to the original small specs. There is a bit of history for you. It was Tad and I that would not let that go.
   As it turned out my F-III is still slightly larger than my first LSV-11. But thats part of the hand made process (depth of the body etc.) Not everything at Larrivee is CNC controlled. Quite a bit of hands on building is still there. Thus different sizes of the same model does occur quite often. No big deal for most folks. But for me it's a killer. LS size is as big as I can go. (the original specs.)
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: gitnoob on December 27, 2009, 09:41:20 PM
Don't forget "CE."   No, that's not a cutaway with electronics -- it's a collector's edition.

Larrivee also used "SH" to denote slot head a while back, but they've since stopped using it I believe.   (Edit: oops, you already have that one.)
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: Danny on December 28, 2009, 12:20:26 AM
KISS       



                 Keep It Simple Stupid


             my motto          :tongue:            :donut
Title: Re: Acronyms - one more guess
Post by: ST on December 28, 2009, 01:09:44 AM
Hi jumpjibe,

I have added acronyms for the body styles (D, SD, P, L, LS, OM, OO).


Quote from: jumpjibe on December 27, 2009, 07:22:55 AM
SD -- slope dred?

Perhaps the single letters should also be included, e.g.:

W -- walnut

D -- dred

P or O -- parlour

etc.

Your list should be very useful.  Thx!!
Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: dermot on December 28, 2009, 02:18:23 PM
Quote from: ST on December 27, 2009, 03:00:57 PM
I'm also looking for pictures of of a Florentine Cutaway Larrivee - thanks.

If you looked you might find one in a case near you....

but i would vote for Valdy's, or the Ex Bruce Cockburn C10's.... the orignals... one of the pair from Valdy's site;

(http://www.valdy.com/Valdy%20Site%20Media/Guitar%20and%20Thorns%20Two.gif)

;-)

Ok, ok.. back to work now...

ps... SO = Silver Oak?

Title: Re: Acronyms - Please help
Post by: ST on December 28, 2009, 02:51:43 PM
Hi dermot,

Thanks for the suggestion. I ended up going with my C10 because I had a full body shot to kind of match up with Danny's LSV-11. After a little cropping I got them to about the same size so that the overall effect of the different style cutaways would be apparent. You can see that here: Cutaways (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Terms_and_Acronyms#Cutaways)

SO = Silver Oak?

That was already on the list, but I added a link to a note about that on the 12th fret site.
Title: Larrivée Terms and Acronyms
Post by: ST on December 28, 2009, 02:59:02 PM
Hi everyone,

Here is the latest version:


Larrivée Terms and Acronyms (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Terms_and_Acronyms)


If you previously bookmarked the link to the older version - that link will still work.

I have expanded the name to Larrivée Terms and Acronyms (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Terms_and_Acronyms)  (previously Larrivée Acronyms) because I have added



If anyone has suggestions for more terms or acronyms, I would be happy to add them. If you find a good link that explains a term or acronym, please post that here too. It would save a lot of time.

Once again - it IS a wiki and that means anyone can make changes. If you goof up with the formatting or something - I can fix that.

I am hoping that this will be a resource for everyone - but especially for people new to Larrivées or guitars in general.
Title: Re: Larrivée Terms and Acronyms
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 28, 2009, 03:16:25 PM
 :+1:   ST   Nice job. I have bookmarked. Thanks
Title: Re: Larrivée Terms and Acronyms
Post by: johnny37 on December 30, 2009, 08:54:52 PM
Here are a couple of pics of my C19.  Hope this helps...
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/johnny37/IMG_2530.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/johnny37/IMG_2538.jpg)

And a comparison pic - My C19 and just completed at the time F3 LS bodied IS/RW
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v143/johnny37/DSC_0915.jpg)