NeckUp guitar support & Larrivee satin finish

[Solocin]

Has anyone had experience using a NeckUp guitar support with the Larrivee 40 series satin finish.  The NeckUp folks say that satin finish guitars are not ideal for the suction cups they use.  It seems that not all satin finish guitars are the same between makers.

[ducktrapper]

Has anyone had experience using a NeckUp guitar support with the Larrivee 40 series satin finish.  The NeckUp folks say that satin finish guitars are not ideal for the suction cups they use.  It seems that not all satin finish guitars are the same between makers.

Never having seen one of these before, I had to look it up. To me, it looks like another totally unnecessary gizmo to suck guitar players into spending their money. I wouldn't put suction cups on any of my guitars, if that's what you're asking. However, judging by reviews, lots of people like them. You pays your money and you takes your chances.     

[jpmist]

The NeckUp folks say that satin finish guitars are not ideal for the suction cups they use.

I'll weigh in from my armchair and say don't worry about it. The UV cured finishes Larrivee uses are really bulletproof as far as chemical resistance so I doubt the rubber cup would do anything apart from minor burnish marks.

That said I googled the thing and it gave me some ideas. Right shoulder pain is having me adjust my playing posture, so that little leather triangle thing might work to reposition the guitar but it seems like they could do without the inelegant rubber suction cups somehow. But me being frugal, I'd try some socks where the neckup goes first to see if that didn't fix it . . .

https://www.neckup.com

[B0WIE]

It's the texture that may prevent a good seal. As said, Larrivee's satin is seemingly very compatible as far as plastics go.

I recommend the little kidney shaped guitar supports sold at places like Strings By Mail. They stay in place and really help with ergonomics. The suction cup thing is too clunky for me.

[jpmist]

Yikes, a guitar goody I didn't know existed. Thx for mentioning. The Strings site has an excellent page on the types

https://www.stringsbymail.com/pages/best-guitar-support-guide-44.html

[mattwood]

I've had a Neck Up on 2 Larrivee satin finish guitars.  The suction cups won't stick to the finish but they do supply a clear, mylar(I think) sheet with adhesive to put on your guitar which the suction cup adheres to.  I had one on a Larrivee that I had for several years and when I went to sell it I pulled the sheet off with no effects whatsoever to the finish.  It is a long enough sheet that allows you to move the suction cup some to get different height adjustment.

[Solocin]

I've had a Neck Up on 2 Larrivee satin finish guitars.  The suction cups won't stick to the finish but they do supply a clear, mylar(I think) sheet with adhesive to put on your guitar which the suction cup adheres to.  I had one on a Larrivee that I had for several years and when I went to sell it I pulled the sheet off with no effects whatsoever to the finish.  It is a long enough sheet that allows you to move the suction cup some to get different height adjustment.

Thanks.  I thought that the satin finish would be an issue with those suction cups.

[J M Larrivée]

The NeckUp folks say that satin finish guitars are not ideal for the suction cups they use.

I'll weigh in from my armchair and say don't worry about it. The UV cured finishes Larrivee uses are really bulletproof as far as chemical resistance so I doubt the rubber cup would do anything apart from minor burnish marks.

That said I googled the thing and it gave me some ideas. Right shoulder pain is having me adjust my playing posture, so that little leather triangle thing might work to reposition the guitar but it seems like they could do without the inelegant rubber suction cups somehow. But me being frugal, I'd try some socks where the neckup goes first to see if that didn't fix it . . .

https://www.neckup.com

Larrivée has not employed UV finish on our guitars for the last decade. I would not advise suction cups for any satin, regardless of finish. The satin itself was never UV. Please familiarize yourselves with Larrivée finish formulas over the decades.

Regards - john jr.


Current Finish:
Gloss Guitars: Pure Acrylic Urethane hi-sheen Topcoat (Catalyzed), over top of a Catalyzed Urethane Basecoat.
Satin: Pure Acrylic Urethane 10% Sheen Satin Finish (Catalyzed), Over top of a Catalyzed Urethane base coat
WE USE NO POLYESTER ON ANY ACOUSTIC INSTRUMENTS
 
2009-2013
Gloss Guitars: Urethane hi-sheen Topcoat (Catalysed), over top of a UV Polyester Basecoat
Satin: Pure Acrylic Urethane 10% Sheen Satin Finish (Catalyzed), over top of a UV Polyester Basecoat
 
Approx 1990-2009
Gloss Guitars: UV Polyester Topcoat, over top of a UV Polyester Basecoat
Satin: Pure Acrylic 12.5% Sheen Satin Finish (Catalyzed), over top of a UV Polyester Basecoat
 
Approx 1983-1990
Gloss Guitars: Catalyzed Modified Varnish Topcoat/Basecoat (Polyurethane Based)
Satin: No satin guitars made during this time
 
1967 to Approx 1983
Gloss Guitars: Hot Sprayed Nitrocellulose Lacquer
Satin: No satin guitars made during this time

[teh]

Thanks to John for posting a concise description of the history of Larrivee finish formulas over the years. I saved his response and put it in my guitar folder for future reference. Slapping suction cups on my guitars is not something I'm willing to do.

As the owner of three 03 series Larrivees, I have commented about the quality, durability and level of protection that the satin finish provides to my guitars on numerous threads. These three guitars were built in 2004, early 2006 and late 2021 and the finish has held up well on each of them. One additional advantage I discovered about a satin finish: the lower cost of each instrument allows me to apply the savings toward the purchase of another guitar or to add options like a Venetian cutaway, electronics and an archtop case to the one I am buying.

After reading this thread, I googled "Earth Shoes" and "Pet Rocks", two products/fads/marketing gimmicks from my youth in the 1970s. While the pet rock craze only lasted about 6 months, creator Gary Dahl became a millionaire. I also painted like Jackson Pollock when I was in first grade but none of my artwork ever made it beyond my mom's refrigerator door.

[Queequeg]

Thanks to John for posting here.
This information was originally posted by didymus21 and stickied by tuffythepug back in January 2016 where it remains today, all these years later.
Larrivee Finishes

[ducktrapper]

Thanks to John for posting a concise description of the history of Larrivee finish formulas over the years. I saved his response and put it in my guitar folder for future reference. Slapping suction cups on my guitars is not something I'm willing to do.

As the owner of three 03 series Larrivees, I have commented about the quality, durability and level of protection that the satin finish provides to my guitars on numerous threads. These three guitars were built in 2004, early 2006 and late 2021 and the finish has held up well on each of them. One additional advantage I discovered about a satin finish: the lower cost of each instrument allows me to apply the savings toward the purchase of another guitar or to add options like a Venetian cutaway, electronics and an archtop case to the one I am buying.

After reading this thread, I googled "Earth Shoes" and "Pet Rocks", two products/fads/marketing gimmicks from my youth in the 1970s. While the pet rock craze only lasted about 6 months, creator Gary Dahl became a millionaire. I also painted like Jackson Pollock when I was in first grade but none of my artwork ever made it beyond my mom's refrigerator door.

But did you ever use a jet engine to apply the paint? Or just apply it directly to the refrigerator? 

[teh]

I never painted my artwork directly onto the old Hotpoint refrigerator but I did use a safety pin to scratch my initials into the lid of my mom's baby grand piano once I learned to write my name.

[ducktrapper]

I never painted my artwork directly onto the old Hotpoint refrigerator but I did use a safety pin to scratch my initials into the lid of my mom's baby grand piano once I learned to write my name.

A friend and I, must have been five or six, used sucked on candies called "black balls" to write all over a white car. Can't remember whose but he must have been really ****ed when he saw it. I hope we didn't scratch it too. Sorry Mister, seemed like a good idea at the time. 

I thought I saw Pollock do this first but who knows?

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/painting-learjet-engine-180953357/

[jpmist]

Larrivée has not employed UV finish on our guitars for the last decade.

Thanks! I doubted it the moment I typed it, but meant to say autocatylized finish- which is literally magic chemistry. The stuff is mixed, sprayed and hardens rapidly.There's no solvent to gas out as the finish hardens which makes the EPA happy if I recall correctly.

[Solocin]

Thanks for everyone's replies.
I am going to give the Dynarette a whirl.  Footstool has been giving some physical issues.