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« Reply #40 on: December 09, 2005, 06:19:31 AM »

hahaha well it could be that same kind of neck joint, im not sure id want to find out though....that kind of neck removal is brain surgery on guitar haha. if you are really going to remove the back, then youll be able to tell easier what kind of neck joint it is. removing a neck is a difficult procedure, removing one thats a spanish heel or epoxied on the body like that could be, is even harder. i highly recommend finding out more about the neck joint before trying anything. removing the fretboard or the back will give you more info on it. maybe theres specific info on the guitar online somewhere...although im sure you looked.
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« Reply #41 on: December 09, 2005, 07:07:39 AM »

Im interested to know what you used to take the pictures inside the guitar. They came out very clear.

Also, its very interesting to me to see your progress as you work on this guitar.

Addicting isnt it?

Matthew.
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« Reply #42 on: December 09, 2005, 05:11:01 PM »

Cool looking pics!  It's good to have a one of a kind.
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« Reply #43 on: December 10, 2005, 01:53:23 AM »

Im interested to know what you used to take the pictures inside the guitar. They came out very clear.

Also, its very interesting to me to see your progress as you work on this guitar.

Addicting isnt it?

Matthew.

Hey Matthew,

Glad you like the work so far.  I'll take a job in your factory any day! :)

I simply took the pictures by lowering my digital camera into the soundhole with the timer going. 

Ok guys...for some of you that have watched my progress, this might be upsetting.  I decided that because the back had water damage and the veneer was splitting I'd just replace the whole back.  Interestingly enough, the SIDES ARE SOLID LIKE THE TOP!  So now I'll replace the veneer back with solid mahagony and I'll have an all-solid wood guitar (though it won't come close to my L-10 ;) )

It started of well...



Then everything fel apart...but my kitten and girlfriend enjoyed the show.



The braces didn't come off with the back, so I'll take them off next...shave them down a bit...then re-use them if possible.



Here's the neck joint....I decided I am going to leave it as it is.



Final two pictures of the back (Braces still attached)



It is STILL my opinion that this bracing pattern is pretty elementary.  Any suggestions to change it?



(I am going to clean this guitar up, so any future posts should have "cleaner" pics
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« Reply #44 on: December 12, 2005, 01:38:52 PM »

It's been fun watching your progress on this! How those finals coming??  wacko
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« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2005, 01:18:06 AM »

It's been fun watching your progress on this! How those finals coming??  wacko

Finals are over and I did well; add another honor roll to the list ;)

So anyone know how I could change this bracing...or should I leave it as is?
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« Reply #46 on: December 13, 2005, 01:37:19 AM »

Can anyone translate?

Accented letters not noted...

"Fabrique a production des instruments musicaux"
"Kremona Bulgare"
"Kazanlik"

Here's the only website I've found on them
http://www.blik.h1.ru/
The first line is bad french (translated from another language?) It says something like "Manufacturer of musical instruments".

Hey, that looks like a russian site. My brother learned a little bit of russian. I could ask him to make a rough translation when he has the time.

Cool project!!! I must admit that when I saw the first picture, I thought «what an UGLY guitar!» Now that the paint is off, it looks promising.

My vote goes to brazilian rosewood for the back, and ebony for the fretboard. Have fun!
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« Reply #47 on: December 19, 2005, 06:32:34 AM »

Finals are over and I did well; add another honor roll to the list ;)

So anyone know how I could change this bracing...or should I leave it as is?

Are you talking about the bracing on the soundboard or the back? The bracing on the soundboard is well - minimalistic - but it seems to have worked for this guitar. I would leave it, maybe just clean it up. The bracing on the back is fine.  Since they are sunk into the lining I wouldnt change them. Just sand them clean with some 180 and you'll be laughing.



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« Reply #48 on: December 20, 2005, 04:16:23 AM »

Are you talking about the bracing on the soundboard or the back? The bracing on the soundboard is well - minimalistic - but it seems to have worked for this guitar. I would leave it, maybe just clean it up. The bracing on the back is fine.  Since they are sunk into the lining I wouldnt change them. Just sand them clean with some 180 and you'll be laughing.





I've decided to do something drastic.  I am changing the guitar from a floating bridge to a typically steel-string glued bridge.  I'll brace the top with symmetrical X.  Hopefully this will turn it into a more responsive instrument....I am mainly doing this for the practice, since I eventually want to build my own instrument.  So far, getting this bracing out has been tough...I'll keep the pictures coming.  In the process of buying a solid mahogany back and new fretboard.
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« Reply #49 on: December 23, 2005, 12:21:37 AM »

Well, I'm back...and here's what I've done.



After thoroughly cleaning the back braces, I decided...what the heck, let's just get rid of them...so I did...trying to think of novel (yet easy) ways top do this failed.  I tried heating, but the glue they used resisted, so I just cut them out and chiseled them down.



Now I had to decide what to do with those darn top braces.  I wanted to try heat again, but I was unsure if that might tend to separate the glued sounboard...



I decided to thin them with a drill first...



Nicely thinned (gutted)



Now to the chisel...(THERE MUST HAVE BEEN AN EASIER WAY!)





Now nicely sanded, though there were a few chisel scuffs on the board from my lack of experience, the board is now sanded flat for the new bracing

(Before fine sanding)



(After fine sanding)




Lastly I am in the process of covering the existing tailpiece holes.  I'm really hesitant to continue this process; only because I'm not totally convinced I want to convert this guitar to the typical steel-string.  Any votes for converting it to a set bridge steel-string, or keep it as the floating bridge design?








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« Reply #50 on: December 23, 2005, 02:28:50 PM »

Thanks for the continuing updates Diddy. If you're going to stay with the ladder braciing pattern, a regular style bridge may cause bellying behind the bridge and a cave-in in front of it... If you go to frets.com, there are some pictures of top bracing from some of the larger makers.

http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/History/Martin/MartinBraces/martinbraces.html
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« Reply #51 on: December 23, 2005, 07:07:59 PM »

Thanks for the continuing updates Diddy. If you're going to stay with the ladder braciing pattern, a regular style bridge may cause bellying behind the bridge and a cave-in in front of it... If you go to frets.com, there are some pictures of top bracing from some of the larger makers.

http://www.frets.com/FRETSPages/History/Martin/MartinBraces/martinbraces.html

I have a guitar making book from which I'll figure out how to use the regular style bridge and new bracing.  (Guitarmaking: Tradition and Technology)
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« Reply #52 on: December 24, 2005, 10:10:42 AM »

hey wow..i havent been on here in a couple of weeks due to computer problems and then internet problems. glad to see youre making good progress. thats an excellent book youve got there for reference. check out bob benedetto's archtop book too if you can, tons of great info in that too that applies to guitar building of all sorts.  id recommend a maple back for that guitar...itll match the sides.
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« Reply #53 on: December 24, 2005, 07:48:24 PM »

hey wow..i havent been on here in a couple of weeks due to computer problems and then internet problems. glad to see youre making good progress. thats an excellent book youve got there for reference. check out bob benedetto's archtop book too if you can, tons of great info in that too that applies to guitar building of all sorts.  id recommend a maple back for that guitar...itll match the sides.

I am pretty sure the sides are mahogany...

Maybe someone can comment for sure?

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« Reply #54 on: January 01, 2006, 02:23:24 AM »

I'd like to know if the above pic is mahogany.

Additionally, which bracing pattern looks best to any luthiers on the site?



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« Reply #55 on: January 09, 2006, 07:51:30 PM »

Did you give up????????
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« Reply #56 on: January 10, 2006, 03:55:29 AM »

Did you give up????????

Heh...I wasn't sure anyone cared anymore.  I've done a few more things, but school just started again, so I am a little backed up.  I'll keep up posting until someone tells me to stop wasting the forum space, :) 
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« Reply #57 on: January 10, 2006, 04:06:30 AM »

That wood looks to light in color to be mahogany, it looks like oak or something??
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« Reply #58 on: January 10, 2006, 04:15:36 AM »

That wood looks to light in color to be mahogany, it looks like oak or something??

Oak with a flame like that?

I know a lot of the guitar has been maple...could it be maple (i.e. veneer maple back and maple neck)
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« Reply #59 on: February 12, 2006, 02:43:27 AM »

im pretty sure that is maple on the sides of that guitar. its looking pretty good in the pics so far and i think the second bracing pattern is better than the first one you have picked. i cant wait to see more pics. i havent had a chance to get online much lately, but i try to look in as much as i can.
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