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« on: September 30, 2016, 03:34:32 AM »

I seem to break a lot ot the g octave strings when tuning a 12er.  As a matter of fact, sometimes I get frustrated, and do not tune it an octave higher.  What do you all do.
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« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2016, 03:48:38 AM »

Were is it breaking?What strings and gauge are you using?I use Elixer 10 to 47,the octive is a .009 which I change out to a .010.I try to get no more then 4 wraps on the post with the string winding going bottom to top.I bring it to a close point with my string winder then tune by hand.
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« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2016, 03:51:34 AM »

Were is it breaking?What strings and gauge are you using?I use Elixer 10 to 47,the octive is a .009 which I change out to a .010.I try to get no more then 4 wraps on the post with the string winding going bottom to top.I bring it to a close point with my string winder then tune by hand.

Rob .... I am not that technical.  I use d'adderio phbronze lights.  The g octave strings just snaps.  Do you think there is sharpness on the saddle?
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« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2016, 03:56:49 AM »

Could be feel the saddle does it have any groove in it.Are you sure that the string is seated right under the bridge pin,sometimes the winding's catch on the bridge plate.If it helps buzz me tomorrow and we can go over it together.
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« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2016, 03:35:43 AM »

Maybe that's why Kottke uses heavy ga. and tunes down 1-1/2 steps (c#). I'm still toying with the idea of getting a 12-string.
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2016, 07:05:50 AM »

Rob .... I am not that technical.  I use d'adderio phbronze lights.  The g octave strings just snaps.  Do you think there is sharpness on the saddle?

More likely the nut.  Take some cotton fibers (q-tip, cotton ball) and make sure there is no burr in the slot.  Some folks will rub a little graphite in the nut slot to add some lubricity as well.
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2016, 07:22:11 AM »

Walkerman hasn't yet stated where the G strings are breaking.  That would be the first clue on how to fix it, no?
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2016, 02:38:50 AM »

Walkerman hasn't yet stated where the G strings are breaking.  That would be the first clue on how to fix it, no?

 +1

For a while I used to just double the g at the "low" octave - but that high octave is a big part of the twelve string sound. I did have problems with the high G breaking at the nut on one 12, but a little light filing fixed that.

Didn't know Kotke used heavier gauges and tuned down that much - thanks ffinke!
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2016, 02:57:54 AM »

That octave G is the skinniest of all the strings on a 12er and the most prone to breaking.  I've broken more than one simply by turning the wrong tuning peg.   blush

I'm beginning to think I am being ignored by Steve (Walkerman) as I get the impression he didn't see my last post??
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2016, 10:52:11 AM »

That octave G is the skinniest of all the strings on a 12er and the most prone to breaking.  I've broken more than one simply by turning the wrong tuning peg.   blush

I'm beginning to think I am being ignored by Steve (Walkerman) as I get the impression he didn't see my last post??

Well, I am not ignoring .... I have never noticed "where" they break.  I was going to pay attention next time I change strings.  Sorry.
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« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2016, 02:04:30 AM »

I had this issue with my 12.  there was a burr that needed filing where the string attaches to the peg.  I have since had the Gs twinned as now they are both wound which I much prefer.
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2016, 09:38:01 PM »

Yeah, I just thought that would help in diagnosing the problem.
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« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2016, 10:02:40 PM »

I seem to break a lot ot the g octave strings when tuning a 12er.  As a matter of fact, sometimes I get frustrated, and do not tune it an octave higher.  What do you all do.

I tune my 12 string a whole tone low and use a capo. 
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« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2016, 03:50:09 PM »

I tune my 12 string a whole tone low and use a capo. 

Seems like a lot of folks do that ... but should you have to?
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« Reply #14 on: October 30, 2016, 04:06:09 PM »

You need to look at where it breaks and that will indicate why it breaks and will let the forum suggest a fix. I had a 12 string for about 35 years and never broke any string.
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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2016, 07:58:17 PM »

Seems like a lot of folks do that ... but should you have to?

I just have a cheap Washburn and it doesn't break strings at pitch but I tune it down anyway. I don't play up the neck much on a 12 string so it works for me to do that and use a capo. You should probably bring it in since you live in Oxnard and are friends of the family, have someone set it up better.     
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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2016, 10:02:13 PM »

I seem to break a lot ot the g octave strings when tuning a 12er.  As a matter of fact, sometimes I get frustrated, and do not tune it an octave higher.  What do you all do.

May I ask how many wraps on the post there are? The more wraps on the post, the less tension at the sharp bend where the string enters the post, is the theory. 
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« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2016, 12:13:33 AM »

Seems like a lot of folks do that ... but should you have to?

you certainly shouldn't have to tune a modern 12 string down - they should be built to be played "at pitch", though some manufacturers will strongly advise only using light or extra-light strings
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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2016, 01:05:06 AM »

I have always tuned my 12 strings to pitch,Fender/Harmony dread 12,Martin D12-20,Guild JF30/12,L09Koa 12,OM03 12,Seagul D12.
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« Reply #19 on: October 31, 2016, 01:23:42 AM »

I have always tuned my 12 strings to pitch

me too - but I have also met a lot of "old" 12 strings that were unplayable at pitch.

Maybe they were never set up right, or were tunded high and neglected: a lot of people acquire 12 strings but don't wind up playing them much - maybe they all get put away at the time of year when humidity shifts increase tension and by the time they get hauled out of their cases again they need so much work it's just easier to tune them down?
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