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« on: November 19, 2014, 06:57:12 PM »

OK whats the difference between Laminated and layered.Just read a review of a new Taylor 12 string that state's that the back and side's are layered sepela 
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2014, 07:19:44 PM »

I had my answer all typed out, then I thought why not check the Taylor website. Now I know its just a marketing term to sell more Taylor's.

Heres a quote from their website.

"While the rich tones of solid wood remain unmatched, a layered wood construction can yield great sound in a beautiful, durable and affordable instrument. Such is the case with layered sapele, in which we use interior and exterior veneers of sapele with a core layer of poplar between them. One of the benefits of layered wood for guitars is extra resilience in the face of fluctuating humidity conditions. This comes in handy for guitars like the GS Mini and Baby Taylor models, which are travel-friendly guitars that may be more directly exposed to different environments. All Taylor layered-wood models feature a solid wood top to optimize the tonal response."
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2014, 07:36:56 PM »

Plywood by any other name. I have nothing against laminates but both Martin and Taylor probably want too much for putting their logo on them. I'd find an old Yamaha. Oh wait! I already did. 
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2014, 07:37:42 PM »

 yak   Plywood is plywood however you dress it up.
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2014, 07:47:49 PM »

The marketing team at Taylor is 2nd to none!!!
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2014, 08:18:20 PM »

The marketing team at Taylor is 2nd to none!!!

True dat. Slick guitars. Slick web site. Slick sales pitches. Wonder who pays for it all.  whistling
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« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2014, 10:40:09 PM »

As Larrivee owners we never have to know.
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« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2014, 11:02:07 PM »

Although you're right about some points, I have to admit their layered rosewood - cannot say anything about other woods, although I doubt the origin of the veneer would make a big difference in sound - is quite good for a travel guitar. The GS Mini is very durable and sounds fine. It's one of the best-sounding small bodied guitar of that price range in my opinion. I would never consider buying a 100-200 series though (layered model with a price tag almost comparable to a Larrivée 02), which are clearly very expensive for the value they offer.

The only replacement for my GS Mini would be a small bodied Larrivée 01 whistling.

Is there an unambiguous definition of laminated for guitars, as I always assumed it to be layers of the same wood (lesser quality or less-good looking pieces between better ones)?
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« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2014, 11:34:11 PM »

Once again Bob is pretending he is the inventor of all things guitar
I think he is trying to be the first billionaire guitar maker. He won't be getting any from me
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« Reply #9 on: November 20, 2014, 02:25:11 AM »

Slick marketing perhaps, but still true. Not necessarily inferior. I see nothing particularly wrong with those statements.
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« Reply #10 on: November 20, 2014, 02:40:42 AM »

Slick marketing perhaps, but still true. Not necessarily inferior. I see nothing particularly wrong with those statements.
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« Reply #11 on: November 20, 2014, 03:21:26 AM »

Dozens of Seagull/ Simon & Patrick/ Godin fans are  whistling. They are the Canadian champs of multi layered back and sides and even claim that the stiffer sides give superior tone. PS don't let Taylor know or you'll  start their next marketing campaign.
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« Reply #12 on: November 20, 2014, 03:26:56 AM »

 bigrin  Very funny.
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« Reply #13 on: November 20, 2014, 05:18:28 AM »

Laminate, aka HPL, aka brand name 'Formica' is what Martin uses.  Top layer is plastic.  Layered is plywood - fancy plywood - but plywood nonetheless.

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« Reply #14 on: November 20, 2014, 09:45:16 AM »

In my opinion: plastic as a top layer is unacceptable. No matter if they call it laminated or layered, it should always consist of real wood.
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« Reply #15 on: November 20, 2014, 12:20:11 PM »

In my opinion: plastic as a top layer is unacceptable. No matter if they call it laminated or layered, it should always consist of real wood.

Unless it's offered at the proper price point. There's a place for such guitars. Not everyone can afford or needs a fine instrument. Most folks aren't going to buy their 10 year olds a Martin or Taylor.  
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« Reply #16 on: November 20, 2014, 12:21:18 PM »

Then you have that manufactured wood product that everyone except me is using for their hardwood floors.
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« Reply #17 on: November 20, 2014, 02:58:28 PM »

Guild's had press laminated arch back guitars for years and even showed it on some modals.On there D15 you could see the mahogany,maple,mahogany laminate backs.
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« Reply #18 on: November 20, 2014, 04:29:51 PM »

Laminates and their use in guitars have been around a very long time.  I worked on a 1934 Recording King and was not surprised to find a maple laminated back.  Modern laminates used in (non-entry level) guitars is far different than plywood you pick up at a home improvement store.  I bought my first solid wood guitar just prior to turning 40.  I have plenty of laminate guitars that sound and play great.  My Guilds quickly come to mind.  IMO Laminates have their place and I believe the use of laminates will only increase.  But I suppose its fun to dog on Taylor.   
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« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2014, 04:33:08 PM »

Certainly not all laminate guitars are made the same.
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