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« on: March 03, 2011, 02:26:34 AM »

I'd like to know if any members have experience-positive or negative- with CA guitars, specifically the Legacy model.

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« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2011, 02:47:13 AM »

Me none at all BUT see them in the Commerce Section of this Forum once in a while such as THIS ONE  that has sold. Many good things about the Cargo for travel.
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« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2011, 03:06:33 AM »

Though I didn't own one but when they first came out the store I use to work for got in a few dreads when they were first opened.They wre really nice guitars with a great tone.
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« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2011, 03:18:04 AM »

I love my Cargo for its purpose, but find it too bass heavy - so I stuff a towel in the soundhole. I never played a legacy, but a GX was fine and deep sounding. The X is lighter, but sweet; the OX (and nearly bought) was both cheap and great balance. Never played a Legacy model. 

Personally I would always rely on solid wood gits, but there are so many times when an 'indestructible' and weather tolerant guitar is just what is needed. In those times especially, the sound in more than good enough.
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« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2011, 08:27:16 PM »

I think they are terrific guitars...I have an OX and have had a GX and look to get another. I have considered a Legacy as there have been some great buys on used but not much of a dred guy.
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« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2011, 01:18:05 AM »

A local store which used to sell them told me they are no longer in business. He know carries Rain Song. I think Adamas pioneered the carbon fiber guitar. I have never seen or played one ( an Adamas ) although some fine guitarist do.
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2011, 03:39:01 AM »

Adamas is part of the Ovation line.I believe it started the small soundhole's in the upper bout craze.
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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2011, 01:21:21 PM »

Thanks folks, for the replies.

I am going to look to buy a used one to see what they're about.

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« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2011, 02:38:13 PM »

I have a GX Performer and I love it. I bought it for the long Michigan winters, but I play it all year round now. this is year 4 I believe.
they did lock the doors for a while, but Peavey has revived them and they are producing them again.
Yes, I love my wooden guitars, but there is no sacrifice in composites. In fact you'll get harmonics you never dreamed of before on a CA.
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« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2011, 03:08:01 PM »

A local store which used to sell them told me they are no longer in business. He know carries Rain Song. I think Adamas pioneered the carbon fiber guitar. I have never seen or played one ( an Adamas ) although some fine guitarist do.

CA has been bought by Peavey and is just starting to get the guitars back in stores. They were reintroduced at the recent Namm show. Rainsong and Emerald would also be great choices in looking at carbon as they both have some terrific new guitars out. Emeral just came out with a new classic dred.....Blackbird also came out with a new short scale 00 called the Lucky 13 which sounds great.
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« Reply #10 on: March 10, 2011, 11:36:44 PM »

I have an OX and a Cargo, both in the raw finish which I purchased from LA Guitar Sales who had great pricing on CA. Both guitar have performed as expected for what I bought them for, travel/beater guitars. As noted Peavey bought CA last year and is planning to ship some of the models this year but not the Legacy for some reason. I played the legacy many time and found it to be an excellent guitar and if that's the model you are looking for you should be able to find them used and some stores even new old stock, but keep in mind that Peavey has made it clear they will not work on older guitars or honor the warranty so pay accordingly..
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« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2011, 03:46:43 PM »

I had a Legacy COT (Crown of Thorns) for a short time. There was nothing definite that I didn't like about it, but decided that with so many nice wooden guitars around that I just like wood. I happen to live in California in a fairly mild climate as well, so some of the guitar's strengths didn't matter much to me.
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2011, 10:22:08 PM »

Oavtion is not a carbon fiber guitar - they have molded plastic backsides.

I've played a number of carbon and graphite guitars. RainSong's just don;t sound like guitars to me - they are more like a synthesizer or electric piano. Something about them doesn't work for me,

There are also the BlackBird carbon guitars, and I like them better than the Rainsong's but they are awkward to hold.

The one I liked the most are the CA Cargo guitars. I have played a few of them, and for a less bass heavy, more balanced tone, the OX is very nice too. The Cargo has a phenominal bass response for such a small guitar, and some folks find it too bass heavy. I like them, myself. A lot. Except for... the high trebles, They are very metallic and have that synthesizer tone I don;t care for. So I ended up selling my two Cargo's because I play up the fretbopard quite a bit. I never got used to that tone...

The original Composite Acoustic company is out of business, but was bought by Peavey. I beleive the Peavey Composite Acoustics are in production now. I'd check out MacNichols.
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2011, 10:30:45 PM »

Oavtion is not a carbon fiber guitar - they have molded plastic backsides.


Thought the Adamas line of Ovation were Carbon Graphite 
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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2011, 11:09:51 PM »

I had an Adamas way back when. It was a wonderful guitar.

" Representing the ultimate craftsmanship from Ovation’s flagship workshop in New Hartford, Connecticut, the Melissa Etheridge Signature 6-string signature features a woven carbon-graphite suspended soundboard with Adamas fan bracing and a classic Mid-Depth cutaway composite body."

Source - http://www.ovationguitars.com/guitars/product/adamas_w597_meii

More about that Carbon Graphite Suspended Soundboard
"Introduced in 1976, the Adamas was born of the same innovative spirit that developed the shape, design, and function of the Ovation roundback. Today, more than three decades after its introduction, the Adamas remains the most advanced acoustic guitar ever made.

Adamas is the Latin word for diamond in its native form—carbon. Kaman Aerospace used carbon fiber to make cutting-edge components for satellites and supersonic aircrafts. Realizing that carbon fiber had the potential to create a pure and balanced soundboard for his guitars, Charlie Kaman and his engineers began lab trials to create a carbon-fiber top for the Ovation. They discovered that when properly engineered, carbon fiber—or graphite—behaves very much like wood.

The Adamas soundboard is made from long fibers of aerospace-grade graphite designed to resonate and respond like spruce. At one-third the weight of a spruce top, the Adamas soundboard has a bold and clear voice, quicker response, and vibrates longer than a traditional spruce top. Adamas models feature Ovation’s pioneering Mid-Depth or Deep Bowl composite bodies."
Source - http://www.ovationguitars.com/guitars/product/adamas_1687

Contour Bowl
"Made from glass-microsphere impregnated Lyrachord composite, Ovation’s Contour Bowl is designed to provide maximum acoustic response with the feel of a small-body instrument. Sculpted to fit the contour of the player’s anatomy, the lightweight Lyrachord GS body is a joy to hold, whether sitting or standing. A Contour Bowl body has the acoustic projection, midrange punch, and huge bottom end of a traditional jumbo-style instrument, yet offers the playing comfort of Ovation’s Super-Shallow body. With its tough-as-nails construction, this body shape represents the latest evolution of Ovation’s pioneering roundback design."

Source - http://www.ovationguitars.com/guitars/product/adamas_2081WT


Lyrachord
"Once our engineers had settled on the body design, they turned their attention to developing a substance that could be molded into this bowl-like shape. Using their knowledge of high-tech aerospace composites, they developed Lyrachord, a patented material comprising interwoven layers of glass filament and bonding resin. Our lab team also discovered how to tune Lyrachord at the molecular level so it would resonate musically.

The first Ovation guitar made its debut in November, 1966. Its Lyrachord body gave the instrument unprecedented projection and ringing sustain. Based on this initial success, we developed an entire line of roundback models to provide guitarists with the world's finest acoustic/electric instruments."

Source - http://www.ovationguitars.com/whyovation/the_history
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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2011, 11:20:52 PM »

Hi Bill,

I have often considered the Composite Acoustic Guitars. I saw and played them when they first came out. I liked what I heard and felt.

For me, the issue was that the neck could not be adjusted. I play with a really light touch most of the time and prefer a lower action than was standard on the Composite Acoustic Guitars.  I didn't want to buy it and then mess with the saddle or hve to experiment with different string gauges to get the action I prefer.

Ultimately, I realized that for the number of times that I would really need the seeming indestructibility of these guitars I could and would take my Ovation (beach guitar).  So there was no need to buy a Composite Acoustic.  Besides I never go to the beach and won't do an outdoor gig unless there is real protection from the elements and direct sunshine.
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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2011, 03:40:00 AM »

I really like my Cargo!  I've been considering a full size Rainsong.  Now that CA is back I may look at some of their other options.
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« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2011, 02:09:07 AM »

I played a few and they require almost no humidity/temp control.  a little bass heavy tho

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