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« on: April 28, 2011, 01:16:51 PM »

Was "I Shall be Free, No.10" the first rap song recorded?
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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2011, 01:18:19 PM »

We got trouble, right here in River City. I'd say no but don't I always?  afro 
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2011, 01:23:49 PM »

I believe the first rap was done in the late 50's by a jazz sax player named Rashon Roland Kurk but it was called spoken word not rap.
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« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2011, 02:19:27 PM »

The Music Man - 1957. White Rap?

Harold:
Well, either you're closing your eyes
To a situation you do now wish to acknowledge
Or you are not aware of the caliber of disaster indicated
By the presence of a pool table in your community.
Ya got trouble, my friend, right here,
I say, trouble right here in River City.
Why sure I'm a billiard player,
Certainly mighty proud I say
I'm always mighty proud to say it.
I consider that the hours I spend
With a cue in my hand are golden.
Help you cultivate horse sense
And a cool head and a keen eye.
Never take and try to give
An iron-clad leave to yourself
From a three-reail billiard shot?
But just as I say,
It takes judgement, brains, and maturity to score
In a balkline game,
I say that any boob kin take
And shove a ball in a pocket.
And they call that sloth.
The first big step on the road
To the depths of deg-ra-Day--
I say, first, medicinal wine from a teaspoon,
Then beer from a bottle.
An' the next thing ya know,
Your son is playin' for money
In a pinch-back suit.
And list'nin to some big out-a-town Jasper
Hearin' him tell about horse-race gamblin'.
Not a wholesome trottin' race, no!
But a race where they set down right on the horse!
Like to see some stuck-up jockey'boy
Sittin' on Dan Patch? Make your blood boil?
Well, I should say.
Friends, lemme tell you what I mean.
Ya got one, two, three, four, five, six pockets in a table.
Pockets that mark the diff'rence
Between a gentlemen and a bum,
With a capital "B,"
And that rhymes with "P" and that stands for pool!
And all week long your River City
Youth'll be frittern away,
I say your young men'll be frittern!
Frittern away their noontime, suppertime, choretime too!
Get the ball in the pocket,
Never mind gittin' Dandelions pulled
Or the screen door patched or the beefsteak pounded.
Never mind pumpin' any water
'Til your parents are caught with the Cistern empty
On a Saturday night and that's trouble,
Oh, yes we got lots and lots a' trouble.
I'm thinkin' of the kids in the knickerbockers,
Shirt-tail young ones, peekin' in the pool
Hall window after school, look, folks!
Right here in River City.
Trouble with a capital "T"
And that rhymes with "P" and that stands for pool!
Now, I know all you folks are the right kinda parents.
I'm gonna be perfectly frank.
Would ya like to know what kinda conversation goes
On while they're loafin' around that Hall?
They're tryin' out Bevo, tryin' out cubebs,
Tryin' out Tailor Mades like Cigarette Feends!
And braggin' all about
How they're gonna cover up a tell-tale breath with Sen-Sen.
One fine night, they leave the pool hall,
Headin' for the dance at the Arm'ry!
Libertine men and Scarlet women!
And Rag-time, shameless music
That'll grab your son and your daughter
With the arms of a jungle animal instink!
Mass-staria!
Friends, the idle brain is the devil's playground!

People:
Trouble, oh we got trouble,
Right here in River City!
With a capital "T"
That rhymes with "P"
And that stands for Pool,
That stands for pool.
We've surely got trouble!
Right here in River City,
Right here!
Gotta figger out a way
To keep the young ones moral after school!
Trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble, trouble...

Harold:
Mothers of River City!
Heed the warning before it's too late!
Watch for the tell-tale sign of corruption!
The moment your son leaves the house,
Does he rebuckle his knickerbockers below the knee?
Is there a nicotine stain on his index finger?
A dime novel hidden in the corn crib?
Is he starting to memorize jokes from Capt.
Billy's Whiz Bang?
Are certain words creeping into his conversation?
Words like 'swell?"
And 'so's your old man?"
Well, if so my friends,
Ya got trouble,
Right here in River city!
With a capital "T"
And that rhymes with "P"
And that stands for Pool.
We've surely got trouble!
Right here in River City!
Remember the Maine, Plymouth Rock and the Golden Rule!
Oh, we've got trouble.
We're in terrible, terrible trouble.
That game with the fifteen numbered balls is a devil's tool!
Oh yes we got trouble, trouble, trouble!
With a "T"! Gotta rhyme it with "P"!
And that stands for Pool!!!


 
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« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2011, 10:25:49 PM »

I think Louis Armstrong started it all when he started scat singing because, most likely, he was so stoned he forgot the words.
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« Reply #5 on: April 30, 2011, 07:04:43 PM »

We got trouble, right here in River City. I'd say no but don't I always?  afro 

I've heard one leading Black rapper give credit to that one (was it Ice Cube or Chuck D, LL Cool J or Dr. Dre? Can't remember  but somebody on that level).

 
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2011, 07:54:20 PM »

first off scat has nothing to do with (c)rap. Next as I have heard it Satchmo started scatting because he knocked the lyric sheet off of the music stand when he was recording in the stdio (back in the days of one take tracks).
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« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2011, 10:58:13 PM »

Agree with your view of (c)rap,although that may be my age. What scat and rap have in common is that they are both getting away from singing the words to a tune. I always thought that rap is far nearer poetry than music. Pity rap has such a high profile in the music business.
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« Reply #8 on: May 03, 2011, 12:14:52 AM »

Anybody remember a tune/poem/rap(?) by Les McCann and Eddie Harris called "Comment"?

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