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« on: December 27, 2010, 10:10:53 PM »

Quick question, I hope 

I have heard that the Telecaster model is very versatile.  Why is that?  Is it the guitar shape? Pickups? Combo of both?  I am fairly new to electric guitar, so thanks for your feedback.


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« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2010, 10:23:08 PM »

In a word Simplicity

But also:

It's the two very different sounding pickups, you have a very bright, trebly pickup at the bridge (brighter than most other guitars bridge pickups), and a rather smooth, dark, mellow pickup at the neck,  also since the bridge pickup is so bright, and the Tele's tone is so snappy because of its construction (bridge, scale, etc.), using the tone pot gives a lot of interesting and useable tones, whereas on most other guitars the tone pots can be muffled  when turning it down.

Sure hope Larrivee considers doing a Tele style at some point I'm sure what their RS4 did to the LP they could again enhance a Tele with an offering of this style that has a huge following.
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« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2010, 10:24:19 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2010, 04:25:48 AM »

 +1 for joyce's post.I will say get the 3 bar bridge {original bridge} instead of the 6 indy saddle style {more stratty sounding}.Also change the tone cap from the .022 to a .033.You'll get more tonal sweep.I can go from chicken pickin to sounding like a Gibson ES175 with the tone rolled off.So country to jazz and everything in between.
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« Reply #4 on: December 28, 2010, 01:44:25 PM »

+1 for joyce's post.I will say get the 3 bar bridge {original bridge} instead of the 6 indy saddle style {more stratty sounding}.Also change the tone cap from the .022 to a .033.You'll get more tonal sweep.I can go from chicken pickin to sounding like a Gibson ES175 with the tone rolled off.So country to jazz and everything in between.

Thanks.  Do you have a pic of the 3-bar bridge and tone cap?  I think my question shows where I am on the electric guitar learning curve--quite low, that is.   ohmy
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2010, 05:02:08 AM »

+1 for joyce's post.I will say get the 3 bar bridge {original bridge} instead of the 6 indy saddle style {more stratty sounding}.Also change the tone cap from the .022 to a .033.You'll get more tonal sweep.I can go from chicken pickin to sounding like a Gibson ES175 with the tone rolled off.So country to jazz and everything in between.

Isnt standard tele tone cap .05uf?
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2010, 02:55:38 PM »

You mostly see .047 or .022.I not seen .05.

I don't know how to resize the oix I have but if you seach for pre 1975 fender tele's you will see the 3 barral bridge I'm talking about.
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2010, 03:52:49 PM »

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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2010, 05:45:42 PM »

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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2010, 06:37:08 PM »

You mostly see .047 or .022.I not seen .05.

I don't know how to resize the oix I have but if you seach for pre 1975 fender tele's you will see the 3 barral bridge I'm talking about.

The early broadcasters and esquires (1950-1961) used a Cornell-Dubilier 0.05uf and or a 0.1uf(woah thats dark) paper in oil capacitor in the circuit. 1961-1985 used ceramics of the same measurements. Most people who use a paper in oil cap today use 0.047 because 0.05 is not available in a usable form. The reality is that the different between 0.047 and 0.05 is inaudible thanks to the 10%-15% plus/minus standard the caps had.

I personally prefer a .022 - .033, but the .047 is historially more accurate.

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« Reply #10 on: December 29, 2010, 08:54:02 PM »

Tuff thanks for posting the pix.

bel I'm not much of a traditionalist when it come's to parts anymore.The original set was toggle foward was neck pick with tone cap,bypassed the tone pot,so they could double the bass player.Middle position was neck pu thru the tone pot and back was bridge bypassing the tone pot.I'm not sure when they switch to what was being done after sale which was neck,both pu's,bridge thru the tone pot.I think Fender changed over in the late 60's early 70's.I know lots of guys hunting down the old paper in oil caps and the ceramic's.
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2010, 03:59:43 AM »

+1 for joyce's post.I will say get the 3 bar bridge {original bridge} instead of the 6 indy saddle style {more stratty sounding}.

I have to agree with this. The 3 saddle bridge, while technically an inferior design, is tonally superior to the 6 saddle version. The old blackguards intontated poorly on the 3-saddle versions, because the length of the strings contacted at the same point on two saddles. However, there have been alot of advancements over the last many years. After looking closely at many aftermarket tele bridges (physically handling them), the Callaham is far and away the best. Rock solid design with 3 saddles, but angled to give proper intonation. Vintage accurate in some ways, but definetly improved. If I had to guess why the 3 saddle version sounds better, it probably be that the saddles on the 6-saddle versions are cast from zinc, which is not as dense of an alloy as brass.
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2010, 04:17:03 AM »

For me it means you have to really know the guitar.I have tried the angled one's and really didn't like them.My main tele started life as a 6 saddle guitar and when I put it together I kinda needed that sound but never liked it.The first chance I had to change the bridge I did.Later tele's had what would appear to screws in the 3 piece saddle and they sound pretty close to the brass.You can sorta intonate the 3 saddle style but its a a trade off you split the difference.Then again I use heavy strings 12 to 56 with a wound G.The other bridge that I love is what was on the original Les Pauls,a simple uncompensated wrap-a-round.Its pretty amazing how close a 53 Les Pauls sounded like a tele hotter because of the P90's.I would love to have the money to buy a 53/54 Les Paul reissue.Having a tele and a paul would cover almost all my electric needs.I would still need my MIDI guitar.
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2010, 04:58:01 AM »

In a word Simplicity

But also:

It's the two very different sounding pickups, you have a very bright, trebly pickup at the bridge (brighter than most other guitars bridge pickups), and a rather smooth, dark, mellow pickup at the neck,  also since the bridge pickup is so bright, and the Tele's tone is so snappy because of its construction (bridge, scale, etc.), using the tone pot gives a lot of interesting and useable tones, whereas on most other guitars the tone pots can be muffled  when turning it down. 

Great explanation Joyce.    I have really enjoyed my 52 RI Tele.
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« Reply #14 on: January 01, 2011, 11:15:52 AM »

Like an AK-47. Versatile and takes a licking but keeps on ticking ... er ... picking.
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« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2011, 11:00:37 PM »

Like an AK-47. Versatile and takes a licking but keeps on ticking ... er ... picking.

If anyone here is asking for a Larrivee Tele clone and you haven't played an RS-2 with P-90's yet, it's really got a lot of Tele vibe. No, not the same bridge, but the Larrivee RS-2 doesn't have the bridge that high up off the body - it doesn't have that steep neck angle that you often have with an arched top single cut body. And the RS-2's body is very thin - thinner than a Tele or Strat, so it's very comfortable. And tones? It can twang, swing and rock with the best of them!
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« Reply #16 on: January 04, 2011, 02:45:33 AM »

Mikey I agree with you on that one to a point.I'd love to have seen it with a simple wrap-a-round bride/tailpiece combo.Not like the one on the PRS's but like the old LP Special.
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« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2011, 03:49:33 PM »

Mikey I agree with you on that one to a point.I'd love to have seen it with a simple wrap-a-round bride/tailpiece combo.Not like the one on the PRS's but like the old LP Special.

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I like the RS-2 so much that I recently ordered a Warmoth all hog LPS body routed for THREE P-90's! When I got the body, I was very pleased (shocked, actually) to find it is one piece of very nice, straight grained mahogany!  Pretty amazing for a wider guitar body!

And I ordered it with a Gotoh 510 wrap around style bridge (see pic attached). When I get this guitar "in process" I'll start posting some pics.

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« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2011, 06:38:35 PM »

Cute bridge but still has that tune-a-matic thing going for it.I guess I like overly simple stuff.Please I'd love to see it.I'm considering putting together another tele type.I'll go with the Fralin SP's,which are P90's that look like standard tele pu's but have an adjustable screw in them.I've put together a bunch with them in it just never keeped one.The store I put them together for called them 53 no-gold on top tele's.Sound just like a 53 LP.
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« Reply #19 on: February 05, 2011, 05:26:22 PM »

This thread (among other influences) put me on the path to building a partscaster.  Just when I had all the details and $$ worked out I ran across this.

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Found it on eBay at a ridculously great price (less than half what my build was budgeted for).  G&L's have a pretty solid "rep" and a devoted following a bit akin to how we feel about our Larrys.  This Korean model is built with exceptional quality and the pups are the same as used in the American ASAT's.  As beautiful as it is, the tone is the best feature.  Great single coil sounds with virtually no dreaded "hum."

After hearing the sound and checking out the parts/wiring (outstanding pups, good quality pots/switch), I doubt I'll be doing much of anything to mod this Just too sweet as is...
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