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« on: September 24, 2010, 03:55:45 PM »

So, a couple days ago I walked into my local mom 'n' pop shop (actually they have four music stores in Omaha and Lincoln, NE) where I have done a lot of business (bought my RS-4 through them), and they had a new left-handed Les Paul Traditional hanging on the wall.

I'm talking to Dan, the guitar manager about it, and he says the boss screwed up and accidently ordered a lefty when they placed their last Gibson order. They can't send it back, so they feel "stuck" with it...he says they had a LP Studio a few years ago that hung on the wall for around 2-3 years before they blew it out on a sale.

And it's black, so it's not real desirable ... if it were a Goldtop or one of the burst ones, it would garner more interest (including from me - love Goldtops).

So he says he would make me a killer deal on it. I'm not even interested at this point, and I tell him I've got my Epiphone Elitist LP (in black also, thank you very much). He says he'll give me a good trade-in on it and still make me a great deal.

Well, next day I needed to pick up the guitar I'd brought in for some work, so I brought the Epi with me and played them side by side for around an hour through several different amps. I listened for sustain, dead spots, tone, playability etc. I looked carefully at the workmanship on the Gibson, too. The Gibson feels very different from my Epi, as it has a more 50's rounded neck (but not the full "fatback" like my son has on his SG Standard. The Gibson's neck/frets has been plek'd, and it plays pretty nice, and they'll do a free set-up on it for up to a year after purchase.

So I ask what they'll do for me. The Traditional lists for around $3,300 in Ebony, plus there's an upcharge for lefty. They would normally hang a righty on the wall for around $2,200. He says he'll take my Epi in trade and $1,375 (I paid $950 for the Epi back in 2004). I decide it's a "good trade" (Dances With Wolves) and give them the Epi plus two bills to put it on layaway...now I just have to save my pennies and or sell some other gear to get it out of hock.

I came home and played my RS-4, and I think it's still nicer than the Les Paul Traditional, but different - different scale length really changes the tone and feel of the guitars.

I'll never get rid of my RS-4 (unless forced to), but I will soon have another base covered...Lord have mercy!
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2010, 04:25:58 PM »

When will you learn that when going into a music store you must wear blinders and keep your eye's on the floor.If you walk in with eye's open and no blinders then BAM your spending money.I'm a fan of Goldtops myself but lucky for me no one stocks them with P90's and a wrap-a-round bridge,they all seem to have tune-a-matics on them{thank goodness}.





So what'ca sellin???
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2010, 05:44:39 PM »

Well, as pertains to this forum, I sold my Forum IV. It was a beautiful guitar and sounded good ... but I didn't really think it sounded "great". Maybe I was expecting too much bottom end from such a small bodied guitar. But it has a good home with another forum member (who now has TWO lefty Forum IV's!!!), and I have ordered one of the Italian Spruce D-03's that Larrivee is currently building (from Jim Holler). I like the sound of a good dread, what can I say?

I also just sold (this week) a Carvin Holdsworth and a Fender Vibro Champ (silverface). With the Epi Elitist I just traded, there's lots of revolving door stuff going on with gear at my house!  I want to eventually replace the Holdsworth with another in trem version; I also have a Carvin Holdsworth Fatboy (not available with trem).

The guy who bought the Holdsworth also wants to buy another one of my Carvin's - an acoustic electric AC375...I just can't decide whether to sell it or not. It plays great and sounds excellent plugged in, but so does my Larrivee OM-05, and this would force me to play the Larrivee for worship more (sometimes I'm nervous about having my prized possession on the worship platform where a kid can walk up and start banging or it - or it could even be stolen).

... but the sale would put some more dead presidents in my pocket, so it's tempting...

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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2010, 06:05:31 PM »

So, a couple days ago I walked into my local mom 'n' pop shop (actually they have four music stores in Omaha and Lincoln, NE) where I have done a lot of business (bought my RS-4 through them), and they had a new left-handed Les Paul Traditional hanging on the wall.

I'm talking to Dan, the guitar manager about it, and he says the boss screwed up and accidently ordered a lefty when they placed their last Gibson order. They can't send it back, so they feel "stuck" with it...he says they had a LP Studio a few years ago that hung on the wall for around 2-3 years before they blew it out on a sale.

And it's black, so it's not real desirable ... if it were a Goldtop or one of the burst ones, it would garner more interest (including from me - love Goldtops).

So he says he would make me a killer deal on it. I'm not even interested at this point, and I tell him I've got my Epiphone Elitist LP (in black also, thank you very much). He says he'll give me a good trade-in on it and still make me a great deal.

Well, next day I needed to pick up the guitar I'd brought in for some work, so I brought the Epi with me and played them side by side for around an hour through several different amps. I listened for sustain, dead spots, tone, playability etc. I looked carefully at the workmanship on the Gibson, too. The Gibson feels very different from my Epi, as it has a more 50's rounded neck (but not the full "fatback" like my son has on his SG Standard. The Gibson's neck/frets has been plek'd, and it plays pretty nice, and they'll do a free set-up on it for up to a year after purchase.

So I ask what they'll do for me. The Traditional lists for around $3,300 in Ebony, plus there's an upcharge for lefty. They would normally hang a righty on the wall for around $2,200. He says he'll take my Epi in trade and $1,375 (I paid $950 for the Epi back in 2004). I decide it's a "good trade" (Dances With Wolves) and give them the Epi plus two bills to put it on layaway...now I just have to save my pennies and or sell some other gear to get it out of hock.

I came home and played my RS-4, and I think it's still nicer than the Les Paul Traditional, but different - different scale length really changes the tone and feel of the guitars.

I'll never get rid of my RS-4 (unless forced to), but I will soon have another base covered...Lord have mercy!

I would have made that deal too Mike. Played a Les Paul Traditional  in Charlottetown PEI a couple months back she musta weghed 11pounds man it was nice. Nicest Gibby I had come across in a music store for quite some time.

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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2010, 06:35:34 PM »

When will you learn that when going into a music store you must wear blinders and keep your eye's on the floor.If you walk in with eye's open and no blinders then BAM your spending money.

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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2010, 06:50:53 PM »

I can be a brother.

Micky don't you have an usher or something like that that you can pass a 10 spot to guard your stuff? bigrin
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2010, 07:11:41 PM »

I would have made that deal too Mike. Played a Les Paul Traditional  in Charlottetown PEI a couple months back she musta weghed 11pounds man it was nice. Nicest Gibby I had come across in a music store for quite some time.

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I figure this one weighs somewhere north of 9 lbs. Haven't weighed it yet, but it felt about the same weight as my Elitist.
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2010, 07:12:43 PM »


Mikey don't you have an usher or something like that that you can pass a 10 spot to guard your stuff? bigrin

Don't know if they'd settle for a ten; they're already off in the fellowship hall grazing at the cookie table and drinking coffee!
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2010, 08:52:15 PM »

I figure this one weighs somewhere north of 9 lbs. Haven't weighed it yet, but it felt about the same weight as my Elitist.

The Traditionals have the 7 or 8 relief holes in the body - the new Les Paul Standard's are nearly hollow - HUGE amount of wood removed from the body. We compared the Traditional to a new Standard he had on the wall - the Standard's body felt weightless in comparison...and tapping on the top around the lower bout we could hear it - solid right next to the bridge and stop tail, but hollow - very high pitched taps - around the rest of the body.

And as I said, if felt weightless - the neck almost weighed as much as the body - it felt like my hollowed out Carvin Holdsworth! The Traditional has a lot more substance to it.
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2010, 09:18:50 PM »

Certainly don't want to Hijack BUT this RS4 weighs over 11 pounds while my others are between 8 and 9

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« Reply #10 on: September 25, 2010, 12:41:59 PM »

No way my RS4 weighs as much as the LP Traditional I used to own, but there are variation.

Btw, my favorite LP will always be ebony.  May get one in the future but I have a semi-hollow on the brain (339, not a LP Standard).
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« Reply #11 on: September 25, 2010, 03:59:33 PM »

Don't know if they'd settle for a ten; they're already off in the fellowship hall grazing at the cookie table and drinking coffee!

That seems like there favorite spot.But my I offer a solution......put the donuts near your guitar.Just think how well guarded it be.
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« Reply #12 on: September 25, 2010, 09:28:06 PM »

That seems like there favorite spot.But my I offer a solution......put the donuts near your guitar.Just think how well guarded it be.

 
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