"Who are you now?" M.B.s

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April 27, 2009, 04:05:25 PM
     This short song was written by Justin Hayward and played in some kind of open tuning.
  I have always liked the lyrics and the melody and was wondering if anyone has the tuning or an alternate standard tuning for this song. I just can't figure it out and can't find anything on the net.
     I really would appreciate some help here.
                           I'll find the you tube link to Justin playing this live in case anyone is interested.
April 27, 2009, 04:11:46 PM #1
Link please.
10-1614 more than a number, it's body and soul.
April 27, 2009, 04:13:30 PM #2
             This is a video of him playing part of the song during an interview re: being inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame.
                        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZTHjbjO43E    (This should work)

        The 2cnd song he plays is "Never comes the day" which I figured out 20 years or so ago in standard tuning. When I play it it is recognizable but of course not as good as the open tuning.
April 27, 2009, 04:21:58 PM #3
      This link is to the original version. This was released on an album called "Blue Jays" not actually the Moody Blues.
It's a short song and the link version has some dead space at the start. But is a good version after it starts.


                                 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1TiYFiBZkw
April 27, 2009, 04:48:14 PM #4
  While I'm on a "Justin" topic, here is my favorite song that he ever wrote. It's from the M B's album "Seventh Sojourn"

                  I guess it wasn't a hit because it is so reflective and dramatic. But this song was part of what gave me hope when I was in the lowest part of my Life.
 
                             The songs name is "New Horizons" here is the link...
                             
                                      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iF2__-K8qFo 

    I saw them play this live one time, in Zilker Park in Austin, when I first moved here. I felt like I was the only one there that knew the lyrics. And I probably was one of only a handful, of course now I play this song myself.

Quote from: flatlander on April 27, 2009, 04:11:46 PM
Link please.
Sorry about the initial link. This one works for "Who are you now?"      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZTHjbjO43E
April 27, 2009, 05:59:36 PM #5
Hi Dan, there was a post on open tuning some months ago, it's called open G tuning......6.  E  becomes  D
                                                                                                                                           5.  A   .............  G
                                                                                                                                           4.  D  ..............  D
                                                                                                                                           3.  G   .............  G
                                                                                                                                           2.  B   .............  B
                                                                                                                                           1.  E   .............  D
I hope this is what you are lookin' for my friend? Remember your 1st fret becomes D D# E F F# and so on.
cheers
fongie

                                                                                                                                           
April 27, 2009, 06:08:08 PM #6
Quote from: fongie on April 27, 2009, 05:59:36 PM
Hi Dan, there was a post on open tuning some months ago, it's called open G tuning......6.  E  becomes  D
                                                                                                                                           5.  A   .............  G
                                                                                                                                           4.  D  ..............  D
                                                                                                                                           3.  G   .............  G
                                                                                                                                           2.  B   .............  B
                                                                                                                                           1.  E   .............  D
I hope this is what you are lookin' for my friend? Remember your 1st fret becomes D D# E F F# and so on.
cheers
fongie

                                                                                                                                           

Thanks fongie, if you listen to Justin's reference to Richie Havens and others, you realize he was experimenting with a lot of open tunings. What I am looking for is the specific tuning and chords used in this song. Which seems to be elusive.
April 27, 2009, 10:10:51 PM #7
Danny, I'm pretty sure all he is doing is tuning the high E down to D.
Do this, after tuning 1st string to D

1/--------5-----------
2/--------5-----------
3/--------5----------
4/--------0-----------
5/-------------------
6/-------------------

Then
1/--------0-----------
2/--------7-----------
3/--------7----------
4/--------0-----------
5/-------------------
6/-------------------
2nd chord has kind of a crazy pickin pattern, especially since he only uses one finger! I would have never thought he played like Merle.
Those chords are basicly C with D in bass to a D with no 5th. Let's call em C to D.
Then
1/--------0-------0------0-------0--------0--------0------0--
2/--------0-------1------1-------1--------0--------1------0--
3/--------0-------0------0-------2--------0--------0------0--
4/--------0-------2------2-------0--------0--------2------0-
5/--------2-------0------3-------0--------2--------0------2-
6/--------3-------x------x-------x--------3---------x------3
            G      Am7      C        D7*        G        Am7     G         *no 3rd but that's what flavor it has to me.
That 2nd Am7 he stays on a little long and accentuates the open 1st string at end
That's kinda close I think. You'll have to figure the picking patterns and rest of chords. Maybe strum along with regular tuning to figure chords then tune 1st down again. I might dink with it later in week. Cool chords/ shapes, like some that Willfly has.
A British thing perhaps. I'm not looking back over this so hope it's close.       
10-1614 more than a number, it's body and soul.
April 28, 2009, 09:08:45 AM #8
     Thanks Matt,   Now I have something to work from. :+1:
May 01, 2009, 08:53:16 PM #9
Here's the rest. Not exactly how he does it but intentionally so. He's so subtle and voice fills in like instrument.
So a couple little change make it more definitive. Plus can be strummed well. This is close to how I would do it without disecting it further. From the beginning... and a 1 and a 2
Do this, after tuning 1st string to D

1/--------5-----------
2/--------5-----------
3/--------5----------
4/--------0-----------
5/-------------------
6/-------------------

Then
1/--------0-----------
2/--------7-----------
3/--------7----------
4/--------0-----------
5/-------------------
6/-------------------
2nd chord has kind of a crazy pickin pattern, especially since he only uses one finger! I would have never thought he played like Merle.
Those chords are basicly C with D in bass to a D with no 5th. Let's call em C to D.
Then
1/--------0-------0------0-------0--------0--------0------0--
2/--------0-------1------1-------1--------0--------1------0--
3/--------0-------0------0-------2--------0--------0------0--
4/--------0-------2------2-------0--------0--------2------0-
5/--------2-------0------3-------0--------2--------0------2-
6/--------3-------x------x-------x--------3---------x------3
            G      Am7      C        D7*        G        Am7     G   

1/------------------------------------------------------------------------
2/-----1----------------------3---------------------------------------------
3/-----2----------------------2---------------------------------------------
4/-----2----------------------4---------------------------------------------
5/----------------2-------------------------------------------------------
6/----------------3--------------------------------------------------------
       who    are you    now
1/------------------------------------------------------------------------
2/---------1----------3-----------------------------------------------------
3/---------------------2---------------------------------------------------
4/---------2----------4-----------------------------------------------------
5/--------------------------------2---------------------------------------
6/--------------------------------3----------------------------------------
         first        love of     mine
1/------------------------------------------------------------------------
2/-----1----------------------3---------------------------------------------
3/-----2----------------------2---------------------------------------------
4/-----2----------------------4---------------------------------------------
5/----------------2-------------------------------------------------------
6/----------------3--------------------------------------------------------
       if        you could    see
1/------------------------------------------------------------------------
2/-----1----------1---------------------3---------------------------------------------
3/---------------------------------------2---------------------------------------------
4/-----2---------2---------------------4---------------------------------------------
5/----------------3-------------------------------------------------------
6/------------------------------------------------------------------------
 you'd reach out to           me

1/-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2/--------------------------3---------------------------1----------------------1--------------------------
3/------------------------------------------------------------------------------2------------------------
4/-------------------------3----------------------------3---------------------------------------
5/---------2--------------2----------------------------------------------------------------------
6/---------3--------------3---------------------------------------------------------------------
in hallways and in empty doorways  with no hiding places for you to go  (repeat chords)

1/-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
2/--------------------1------------2----------1---------------------1-----------(1)--0----
3/---------------------------------------------2---------------------------------------
4/--------------------2------------2--------------------------------------------------
5/--------2------------------------3-------------------------2------2-----2---------
6/--------3---------------------------------------------------3------3-----3----------
cause you were all   there was          know about me!
I think that'll work. tweak if needed.


     
10-1614 more than a number, it's body and soul.
May 01, 2009, 11:19:31 PM #10
Quote from: flatlander  link=topic=26671.msg242690#msg242690 date=1241229196
Here's the rest. Not exactly how he does it but intentionally so. He's so subtle and voice fills in like instrument.
OK Matt, what do I owe you? Thanks so much for this. Even though my hands were numb, I practiced this some today. I tried it on my skinny neck Gibson and my Martin OM-21, but I gotta say the F-III sounds the best and is the easiest to play. I'm going to switch the saddle to the low fingerstyle one I made so I can work on this song until I nail it.
    Since it's such a nice melody and I can sing in this range I'm thinking of writing lyrics to the tune for my Mom's 75th birthday. All seven of us kids will be there. So I think I'll surprise about 70 people that will be gathered in Missouri and bring my amp and put a pick up in the F-III and sing a song to Mom using this tune.
    I may need to enlist Tuffy, to help write some lyrics. It will be a Forum song sang on a Forum git... but that will be a forum trivia item.                 
                               Thanks Matt, you really are a big help :thumbsup
May 02, 2009, 06:04:22 AM #11
Quote from: dependan on May 01, 2009, 11:19:31 PM
OK Matt, what do I owe you?
The song of you playing that you're tardy on posting.
10-1614 more than a number, it's body and soul.
May 02, 2009, 09:52:54 AM #12
Quote from: flatlander on May 02, 2009, 06:04:22 AM
The song of you playing that you're tardy on posting.
It's on my mind.. I need to buy my own Zoom or something and learn how to do it. Time is scarce right now though. I gotta go work right now even.
May 04, 2009, 08:51:59 AM #13
Danny, after your PM I listened to CD, which is what 2nd u-tube version is. He is tuned down a 1/2 step on studio version if you didn't relize that. I used first u-tube video. I made slight change on chords just leaving bass strings down on G where it goes to "empty"
10-1614 more than a number, it's body and soul.
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