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« Reply #2160 on: January 10, 2009, 02:43:05 AM »

I wonder how he got his F3 so quick.....
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« Reply #2161 on: January 10, 2009, 02:46:33 AM »

That's obvious, he used his natural apeel and then split.

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« Reply #2162 on: January 10, 2009, 02:48:17 AM »



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« Reply #2163 on: January 10, 2009, 02:50:36 AM »

That's obvious, he used his natural apeel and then split.

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« Reply #2164 on: January 10, 2009, 03:07:43 AM »

Taliking about the "blondes" or how white and pure a spruce top can be new... Here is a picture of my SCGC H-13 custom with adirondack top after only a few months in my possession.  Yes, it yellowed a lot quicker than I thought it would... It was white as snow when I first got it.  Now it has aged even more so than the pic. Maybe the Itallian will be different, but they are very similar in characteristics for sure. Part of the process... something to look forward to.  I really enjoy growing old with my guitars.
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« Reply #2165 on: January 11, 2009, 12:43:29 AM »

Hey everyone.  There is an LS-05 for sale on eBay right now which give you a good indication of our Forum III body size.  Have a look:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Larrivee-LS-05-K-K-Trinity-Acoustic-Heaven_W0QQitemZ260344677714QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item260344677714&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50

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« Reply #2166 on: January 11, 2009, 12:48:23 AM »

Hey everyone.  There is an LS-05 for sale on eBay right now which give you a good indication of our Forum III body size.  Have a look:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Larrivee-LS-05-K-K-Trinity-Acoustic-Heaven_W0QQitemZ260344677714QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item260344677714&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0|293%3A1|294%3A50

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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh . . .    Let's keep this among ourselves, shall we? Somebody I know is bidding on it!  bigrin

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« Reply #2167 on: January 11, 2009, 01:23:45 AM »

dan- good info on the IS tops. Everyone should check it out; it also explains the "runout" look on the one side. Strativeri used them ?
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Bluesman1,  I cant seem to find the runout information you mentioned.   
Can you help me find it  ?   Tks..       ds
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« Reply #2168 on: January 11, 2009, 02:43:14 AM »

Daysailor- if you go down on the link further, it explains about the lines in the grain on certain grade tops (this is dependan's post about IS). Hope it helps with what you were wondering.
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« Reply #2169 on: January 11, 2009, 02:46:56 AM »

Somethings wrong with either my pc (I think) or the site. My posting are out of order. It might be the site. Anybody else having probs. ?
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« Reply #2170 on: January 11, 2009, 03:12:11 AM »

Daysailer- it mentions the runout for the "4a" sets. As far as the order of my posts, it must be my pc. Someone else would have mentioned it. I've had problems getting the current thread all day.
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« Reply #2171 on: January 11, 2009, 03:51:03 AM »

Day sailer- I just read that Engelman Spruce (Euor. Spruces) has run-out sometimes due to the small diameter of the trees. This will be my last post until I figure out what's happening with my pc.. Page 1, on my pc , is actually page 109. I'll figure it out !
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« Reply #2172 on: January 11, 2009, 09:48:50 AM »

Taliking about the "blondes" or how white and pure a spruce top can be new... Here is a picture of my SCGC H-13 custom with adirondack top after only a few months in my possession.  Yes, it yellowed a lot quicker than I thought it would... It was white as snow when I first got it.  Now it has aged even more so than the pic. Maybe the Itallian will be different, but they are very similar in characteristics for sure. Part of the process... something to look forward to.  I really enjoy growing old with my guitars.
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right, stupid question time.  i mentioned earlier that i keep my gits in cases, and therefore expected the very light top to remain for longer.  The pic above shows the yellowing of the top quite quickly, and someone said earlier that a guitar willtan even in the case.  Why then has the wood stayed so light if it was cut in 1972?  Why does it only tan when it is made into a guitar.
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« Reply #2173 on: January 11, 2009, 12:07:45 PM »

right, stupid question time.  i mentioned earlier that i keep my gits in cases, and therefore expected the very light top to remain for longer.  The pic above shows the yellowing of the top quite quickly, and someone said earlier that a guitar willtan even in the case.  Why then has the wood stayed so light if it was cut in 1972?  Why does it only tan when it is made into a guitar.
The finish. 
               Wood stays the same if you sand down under it. If moisture or oil gets into bare wood it will stain it, but otherwise if it's kept free of contamination it maintains it's color. The finishes "tan" by UV light and aging.
                I matched the 43 year old finish on my small Gibson top with a yellow oak stain before sealing it with shellac in some "grayed" areas where the wood had been exposed. I was surprised how perfect a match I got. But it is so rough looking it was easier than a newer high gloss model.
                 When you remove a pick guard from an old guitar the top may be very dark but the pick guard outline will be bright white in comparison.
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« Reply #2174 on: January 11, 2009, 01:17:58 PM »

The finish. 
               Wood stays the same if you sand down under it. If moisture or oil gets into bare wood it will stain it, but otherwise if it's kept free of contamination it maintains it's color. The finishes "tan" by UV light and aging.
                I matched the 43 year old finish on my small Gibson top with a yellow oak stain before sealing it with shellac in some "grayed" areas where the wood had been exposed. I was surprised how perfect a match I got. But it is so rough looking it was easier than a newer high gloss model.
                 When you remove a pick guard from an old guitar the top may be very dark but the pick guard outline will be bright white in comparison.

Do some finishes tan faster than others then?  And they shoult theoretically tan slower if they are kept in a case.  I took the pickguard off my old fender the other day - it was peeling really badly, and it has a severe tan line.  It has never been in a case for 11 years though.  Cheers for the answer by the way Danny.

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« Reply #2175 on: January 11, 2009, 01:55:56 PM »

Bluesman1,  I cant seem to find the runout information you mentioned.   
Can you help me find it  ?   Tks..       ds

I can't find it either, just the first page describing the wood? Would someone relink, please?

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« Reply #2176 on: January 11, 2009, 01:57:01 PM »

Danny is correct.  Also, light aids in changing the color as well.  I believe it is still connected to the stain theory, so light and the staining process will do it.  I have a guitar I played outside a lot when it was new... It is now QUITE yellow.  
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« Reply #2177 on: January 11, 2009, 02:14:53 PM »

  Here is a 2000 model D-09 and a P-09 I bought new last year. It's easy to see the finish "tan"

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« Reply #2178 on: January 11, 2009, 02:17:41 PM »

  Here is a 1966 Gibson I have, it was a premium white spruce top in 1966. If you look at the 16 year old Martin in my sig. pic you can see how it aged from being shined on by the sun in New Mexico. I like the look, very vintage looking to me and the "dry out" helped the OM-21 tone in the long run. But many repairs had to be made. I don't recommend setting them in the sun light on purpose.

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« Reply #2179 on: January 11, 2009, 02:44:11 PM »

thanks danny, that Gibson is awesome. Is that the one with the really narrow neck though?
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