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« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2008, 11:45:59 PM »

If I had $6,100 to spend I would buy a couple of nice guitars for myself and one for my son. $35,000 and I would be going to a guitar camp every year for the next 10 or 15 years.

Re: Leo Kottke: I watched him play his two signature model Taylors (6 and 12 string) last Wednesday night in Buffalo. It's the fifth time I've seen him at this same venue from the same seats and he never ceases to amaze. There was a used 12 LKSM at Elderly for $1,700 or $1,800 that would have been a great buy. These are big guitars with a clean design and minimal bling and a dynamite sound and a reasonable cost.

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« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2008, 11:59:44 PM »

If you think you do...you do.

If you think you don't...you don't.

I have received a lot of pleasure from playing a variety of Larrivee guitars over the years. I have been fortunate to also own a few "boutique" guitars that have really turned my crank.  I have also owned a few that haven't. The one's I kept are worth it, to me.

It's commendable to be loyal to a brand; it's silly to be blindly loyal...

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« Reply #22 on: April 22, 2008, 12:10:00 AM »

[quote author=jeremy3220 link=topic=21265.msg187040#msg187040 date=12088129

Here's a good article. It's biased of course but Somogyi also has a lot of facts too of the way things are done differently. The Craftsmenship section is especially good. http://www.esomogyi.com/handmade.html
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    Thanks for this link, it's about as complete on this subject as one can get. I like the last paragraph. Danny
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« Reply #23 on: April 22, 2008, 03:07:23 AM »

Okay, maybe I dont know enough of what I would want out of a guitar to order a custom guitar,well  maybe a little.
I guess it is a status symbol, and I never cared for that sort of thinking,quality is one thing, showing off cause you are insecure or want to show off how much cash you have is another.I have a neighbor like that.
But still I dont think I would buy anything like that just because of the shere rediculousness of that much cash for a guitar.
But hey If you can do it and it floats your boat , go for it.

you gotta admit though, I got some good entertaining responses .
take care guys, and gals?
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« Reply #24 on: April 22, 2008, 03:50:43 AM »


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Its not just what's on the outside.

It's the technology and art under the hood that matters.



 



http://www.olsonguitars.com/videovault.html
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« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2008, 08:57:27 AM »

Okay, maybe I dont know enough of what I would want out of a guitar to order a custom guitar,well  maybe a little.
I guess it is a status symbol, and I never cared for that sort of thinking,quality is one thing, showing off cause you are insecure or want to show off how much cash you have is another.I have a neighbor like that.
But still I dont think I would buy anything like that just because of the shere rediculousness of that much cash for a guitar.
But hey If you can do it and it floats your boat , go for it.


I think most people who own a boutique guitar aren't thinking in the same terms you are. I don't even know what status the owner would be symbolizing. Owning a boutique is suppose to mean what- that you're rich beyond all measurement? I paid less than what a new OM-09 cost for my used Santa Cruz. Someone can own a $1500 Larrivee or two and that's normal but $3K for a boutique guitar is just frivolous    We're comparing nickels and dimes here. The average boutique guitar comparatively doesn't cost enough to be a status symbol. A person who plays a $150 Fender would be more justified in calling a Larrivee owner insecure because of the price difference - a OM-09 would cost about 10X the Fender.

If you still think boutique owners are on their high horse visit the SCGC forum, you won't find judgmental threads like this one.
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« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2008, 11:42:29 AM »


If you still think boutique owners are on their high horse visit the SCGC forum, you won't find judgmental threads like this one.

Jeremy, this is an excellent point. If you also spend some time on the Collings Forum you will notice a lot of praise for many different guitar makes. SCGC is a great forum.
You are also correct on prices. The OM/PW I own did not cost any more that a decked out Larrivee or Martin. In fact, a lot less than the sticker on most Martins I would pick up!
It's all in what turns your crank.
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« Reply #27 on: April 22, 2008, 12:21:09 PM »

It occurrs to me that the guy who scrimps and saves, squirreling away a bit of mad money here & there, that he might have blown in the short-term for a larger, long-term goal in order to buy a $500 guitar is not significantly different from the guy who scrimps and saves, squirreling away a bit of mad money that he might have blown in the short-term for a larger, long-term goal in order to buy a $5000 guitar. The joy that the culmination of this anticipation, sacrifice, and planning deliver to the owner is in the main, also quite similar.
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« Reply #28 on: April 22, 2008, 01:23:00 PM »

 Once in awhile it's just "The Guitar" and you pay a price well beyond what you normally would. Danny
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« Reply #29 on: April 22, 2008, 01:52:26 PM »

Ok, I give up, good answers ,all,
haha.,...
I still would like a Collings.
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« Reply #30 on: April 22, 2008, 02:16:31 PM »

Collings nice guitar  I would too(Or is it also) Danny
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« Reply #31 on: April 22, 2008, 04:47:34 PM »

I love Larrivee...but if you have any doubts of the differences to be realized by going from factory to small shop boutique, then pick up a Santa Cruz.  Trust me, the price tag will not look nearly as large after you play and feel one.
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« Reply #32 on: April 22, 2008, 08:27:04 PM »

In short... YES

In long... Do you think any of the cookie cutter assembly line guitar companies will try anything different? Experiment with bracing, tonewoods, assembly techniques, etc? Doesn't someone have to push the envelope, try to make a better mousetrap, innovate?

Sure, there are some companies, such as Larrivee, that bridge the gap and make some production models and and still get a lot of hands on work done. However, there always have to be companies on both fringes. Some that do nothing but manufacture cheap assembly line garbage and others who hand build instruments worthy of unique status.

you gotta admit though, I got some good entertaining responses .
take care guys, and gals?
Dave

Me thinks you enjoy the controversy more than the topic...
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« Reply #33 on: April 22, 2008, 08:52:07 PM »

A few points to consider...

1. Many people believe you get what you pay for.
2. Which is really just another way of saying "The more expensive it is, the better it is."
3. People who want quality thus equate a higher price with higher quality.
4. This in turn means manufacturers who are striving to offer a high-quality product have a DISINCENTIVE to charge a lower price.
5. Because many buyers won't take a high-quality product seriously if the price is too low.

5a. I worked in the specialist audio industry for many years and saw this EXACT phenomenon occur over and over. Brilliant, affordable equipment languished while some laughably overpriced dreck sold like hotcakes.

6. People have egos, and one of the most successful marketing campaigns is L'Oreal's "Expensive...and I'm worth it."
7. If Chanel No. 5 cost $10 a gallon nobody would want it.
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« Reply #34 on: April 22, 2008, 09:37:10 PM »


However, the Mercedes is built in a large factory, as well, so I'm not sure what your point is. No one is building cars like that in their basement workshops, that's for sure.
To me, it's totally ridiculous to think that someone could consistently make better vehicles or guitars in their basement than oh let's say ... Jean Larrivée in his specialized factory. However, if you're convinced otherwise and should you wish to pay more someone will gladly accomodate you. That's the beauty of choice.
Also, remember that Jean Larrivée was James Olson before James Olson was. Been there. Done that. Not interested in making $15,000.00 guitars that real musicians can't afford. 
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« Reply #35 on: April 22, 2008, 10:00:21 PM »

However, the Mercedes is built in a large factory, as well, so I'm not sure what your point is. No one is building cars like that in their basement workshops, that's for sure.
To me, it's totally ridiculous to think that someone could consistently make better vehicles or guitars in their basement than oh let's say ... Jean Larrivée in his specialized factory. However, if you're convinced otherwise and should you wish to pay more someone will gladly accomodate you. That's the beauty of choice.
Also, remember that Jean Larrivée was James Olson before James Olson was. Been there. Done that. Not interested in making $15,000.00 guitars that real musicians can't afford. 

I thought his point was that even though the Mercedes is so much flashier that under the hood the Mustang was a work of art.
Then I followed his link and came to the conclusion that he meant the artist that plays the guitar is more important than the guitar itself.
This could be one of those rare occasions when I'm wrong though. 
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« Reply #36 on: April 22, 2008, 11:41:10 PM »

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I'm not sure what your point is.



My point was/is that some things are better than others.
You would agree on that wouldn't you?
That Mercedes is better than the Ford?

Most of the time you do get what you pay for.
Whether it's a chinese wrench or a Craftsman/Proto wrench.

A pos laminate asian made box with strings on it or a Larrivee L-10.
One is better than the other.
Looks better, sounds better, smells better, plays better, rides better, etcera, etcetera, IT'S JUST BETTER.

Who cares if it costs more? Life is too short to play the cheapskate {IMO}.

I'm not trying to be argumentative. I respect you and your opinion dt.






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Boutique guitars (Do we really need them?)


To answer the OPs question:
No WE may not really need them but I want them.

And that's all that matters....

 nice guitar



Have a nice day ya! 

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« Reply #37 on: April 22, 2008, 11:54:01 PM »



My point was/is that some things are better than others.
You would agree on that wouldn't you?
That Mercedes is better than the Ford?

Most of the time you do get what you pay for.
Whether it's a chinese wrench or a Craftsman/Proto wrench.

A pos laminate asian made box with strings on it or a Larrivee L-10.
One is better than the other.
Looks better, sounds better, smells better, plays better, rides better, etcera, etcetera, IT'S JUST BETTER.

Who cares if it costs more? Life is too short to play the cheapskate {IMO}.

I'm not trying to be argumentative. I respect you and your opinion dt.







To answer the OPs question:
No WE may not really need them but I want them.

And that's all that matters....

 nice guitar



Have a nice day ya! 

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I have no argument that some things are better than others but the thread is asking about so-called boutique guitars. Unless you're saying that the Mercedes is a boutique car and the Mustang is a factory built car. Actually, they're both built in similar situations by companies aiming at different markets. It's more like you're comparing Gibson and Fender than, say, Martin and Froggy Bottom.
In the guitar world, there is no logical reason a top of the line guitar coming out of Nazareth should be inferior to one coming out of Mr. Bottom's basement just because CF Martin makes a million more guitars a year. It never hurts to have done a lot of something, does it? That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.   
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« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2008, 12:20:42 AM »

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.   



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« Reply #39 on: April 23, 2008, 12:58:21 AM »

You make me giggle! 
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