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February 16, 2008, 10:37:05 PM
I can't find the specs on the Larrivee 0 or 00 series guitars. How are these different than the 000 series? Just curious.
Guitars: Larrivee P-05; National Resphonic Style 2 Squareneck;      National Resophonic 12-fret "B"; Dupont MD-50;
Lazy River Weissenborn; Robert Sayers custom flat-top;
Cervantes Crossover; Todd Korup banjo-uke; McSpadden dulcimer;
PRS 22 semi-hollow ltd.; PRS DC3
Amplification: RA-400; Rivera Venus 3
February 17, 2008, 01:54:42 AM #1
beg to differ....
Orchestra Model is OM
the Larrivee 000 series has a smaller upper bout than an OM, and and has a wider neck.
The 00 is one size smaller than a 000, and the 0 is one size smaller than the 00.
I am pretty sure both the 0 and 00 were only done in the traditional series, like the 000, only smaller...with herringbone trim, wider neck, 12 fret neck and slotted headstock. They are marvelous!

I don't have the specs at hand, but someone will come up with them, My 00 is in the shop getting a different pickup installed, or I'd measure it for you!
Larrivee LS-10 Custom "Jesse"
Larrivee 000-50 "Emma"
Larrivee 00-50 "Dublin"
Larrivee 00-60 "Rose"
Larrivee L-03 Koa "Hula"
Martin 5-18 ('57) "Tink"
Banjitar  "Plinky"
Baby Taylor "Lichious"
Taylor GC-5 E
Oscar Schmidt OU-5 concert uke "Abalone & Cheese"
Makai MT-70 tenor uke "Kimme"
Martin M3 Soprano Uke "LJ"
A couple non descript cl
February 17, 2008, 04:00:44 AM #2
February 17, 2008, 08:00:33 AM #3
Quote from: Cowgirlie on February 17, 2008, 01:54:42 AM
beg to differ....
Orchestra Model is OM
the Larrivee 000 series has a smaller upper bout than an OM, and and has a wider neck.
The 00 is one size smaller than a 000, and the 0 is one size smaller than the 00.
I am pretty sure both the 0 and 00 were only done in the traditional series, like the 000, only smaller...with herringbone trim, wider neck, 12 fret neck and slotted headstock. They are marvelous!

I don't have the specs at hand, but someone will come up with them, My 00 is in the shop getting a different pickup installed, or I'd measure it for you!
I'm not arguing just sleepily sayin a little bit bout bouts n such......
February 17, 2008, 09:01:27 AM #4
Guitar Adoptions probably has most of those models along with the specs.
In the Larrivee world (unlike Martin) the 000 and OM designates body size/shape. With Martin the 000 and OM can be the same size. With Larrivee the OM's are basically the traditional OM size/shape, while the 000 is a 12 fret model with extended upper bouts so the body reaches the 12th fret. The difference between the 0, 00, and 000 is mainly body size - the more zero's, the bigger the guitar. The 0 is short scale the others are long scale.

The 0 and P are the same thing and they have a different bracing pattern than the bigger Larrivee's (just one tone bar) <- (I'm not 100% sure about this last sentence.)

I just checked GA does have examples and specs for these models on their Larrivee page.
February 17, 2008, 12:53:48 PM #5
Well, it seems that different Larrivee dealers are not consistent when it comes to listing the specs, which is why it would be helpful if Larrivee had the specs on all their guitars somewhere on their website. The Martin 0, 00, and 000 are not the same as the specs on Larrivees. One Martin 00 I saw had a neck width of 1 11/16" at the nut (why on earth anybody would pay money for that, I don't know).
Guitars: Larrivee P-05; National Resphonic Style 2 Squareneck;      National Resophonic 12-fret "B"; Dupont MD-50;
Lazy River Weissenborn; Robert Sayers custom flat-top;
Cervantes Crossover; Todd Korup banjo-uke; McSpadden dulcimer;
PRS 22 semi-hollow ltd.; PRS DC3
Amplification: RA-400; Rivera Venus 3
February 17, 2008, 02:19:45 PM #6
Quote from: Novalis on February 17, 2008, 12:53:48 PM
.........One Martin 00 I saw had a neck width of 1 11/16" at the nut (why on earth anybody would pay money for that, I don't know).

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February 17, 2008, 05:28:34 PM #7
Quote from: dependan on February 17, 2008, 08:00:33 AM
      I'm not arguing just sleepily sayin a little bit bout bouts n such...... :rolleye:

the reason I jumped in there was that the post did not give correct information about the Larrivee models stated....
the OM neck is NOT wider than the 0, 00, and 000 neck, and the O does not stand for Orchestra model. So you can roll your eye at me for making a correction if you want to....but I make statements about models I know about. And I am not going to add a "roll eye"
Larrivee LS-10 Custom "Jesse"
Larrivee 000-50 "Emma"
Larrivee 00-50 "Dublin"
Larrivee 00-60 "Rose"
Larrivee L-03 Koa "Hula"
Martin 5-18 ('57) "Tink"
Banjitar  "Plinky"
Baby Taylor "Lichious"
Taylor GC-5 E
Oscar Schmidt OU-5 concert uke "Abalone & Cheese"
Makai MT-70 tenor uke "Kimme"
Martin M3 Soprano Uke "LJ"
A couple non descript cl
February 17, 2008, 07:10:56 PM #8
The 000, 00 and 0, as of recently, were all part of the Traditional series.  The 000 had a 1 13/16" nut width. The 00 and 0, both discontinued, had a 1 3/4" nut width.  The 000 and 00 had the longer scale length of 25.5" and the 0 had the shorter scale of 24".   The 0 being a well-appointed parlor.
The lower bout of the 000 came in at around 15.3" with the 00 at 14.2" and 0 at 13.1" which gives you an approximate of their sizes.  Nice guitars all but I particularly like the 00. 

gtrplayer
February 17, 2008, 09:00:18 PM #9
QuoteOne Martin 00 I saw had a neck width of 1 11/16" at the nut (why on earth anybody would pay money for that, I don't know).

Well, probably because that's what someone wanted.   As a general rule Martin doesn't make guitars that no one wants. They've been following that policy for 175 years, so it must work for them.

Martin currently makes 00's with 1 & 11/16", 1 & 3/4",  1 &  13/16", and 1 & 7/8"  nuts.
Mike

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February 17, 2008, 10:02:47 PM #10
Quote from: bjstrings on February 17, 2008, 09:00:18 PM
Martin currently makes 00's with 1 & 11/16", 1 & 3/4",  1 &  13/16", and 1 & 7/8"  nuts.

They also make the 00 with a dreadnought depth bowl. I have one of those and it is my favorite guitar. And I just read they are going to come out with a Pat Donahue OM signature model with the deep bowl as well. I am looking forward to hearing that one. Lots of possibilities.
February 17, 2008, 10:49:59 PM #11
Quote from: gtrplayer on February 17, 2008, 07:10:56 PM
The 000, 00 and 0, as of recently, were all part of the Traditional series.  The 000 had a 1 13/16" nut width. The 00 and 0, both discontinued, had a 1 3/4" nut width.  The 000 and 00 had the longer scale length of 25.5" and the 0 had the shorter scale of 24".   The 0 being a well-appointed parlor.
The lower bout of the 000 came in at around 15.3" with the 00 at 14.2" and 0 at 13.1" which gives you an approximate of their sizes.  Nice guitars all but I particularly like the 00. 

Thanks gtrplayer, that's the info I was seeking. Wonder how long until the 00 is back in production.
Guitars: Larrivee P-05; National Resphonic Style 2 Squareneck;      National Resophonic 12-fret "B"; Dupont MD-50;
Lazy River Weissenborn; Robert Sayers custom flat-top;
Cervantes Crossover; Todd Korup banjo-uke; McSpadden dulcimer;
PRS 22 semi-hollow ltd.; PRS DC3
Amplification: RA-400; Rivera Venus 3
February 18, 2008, 12:39:57 AM #12
Quote from: gtrplayer on February 17, 2008, 07:10:56 PM
The 000, 00 and 0, as of recently, were all part of the Traditional series.  The 000 had a 1 13/16" nut width. The 00 and 0, both discontinued, had a 1 3/4" nut width.  The 000 and 00 had the longer scale length of 25.5" and the 0 had the shorter scale of 24".   The 0 being a well-appointed parlor.
The lower bout of the 000 came in at around 15.3" with the 00 at 14.2" and 0 at 13.1" which gives you an approximate of their sizes.  Nice guitars all but I particularly like the 00. 

gtrplayer

Thanks for the exact specs!
Larrivee LS-10 Custom "Jesse"
Larrivee 000-50 "Emma"
Larrivee 00-50 "Dublin"
Larrivee 00-60 "Rose"
Larrivee L-03 Koa "Hula"
Martin 5-18 ('57) "Tink"
Banjitar  "Plinky"
Baby Taylor "Lichious"
Taylor GC-5 E
Oscar Schmidt OU-5 concert uke "Abalone & Cheese"
Makai MT-70 tenor uke "Kimme"
Martin M3 Soprano Uke "LJ"
A couple non descript cl
February 18, 2008, 04:52:36 AM #13
My 00-50 must be one of the last to be made.  I checked with Larrivee and it dates to Nov 2006....pretty near the end of the 00 production I think.  Sweetest guitar I've ever owned and I just got it two weeks ago.  Breaking in this guitar will be a whole lot of fun!!!
February 18, 2008, 11:04:30 AM #14
Lately I am really loving my 00 tuned down a whole step.
D-03RE
D-03-12
00-50 TSB
OM-02

...and several other guitars.  Former Larrivees: P-01, OM-03R SH (Twelfth Fret special edition), P-01 Chris Hadfield special edition
February 18, 2008, 12:09:30 PM #15
My OOO is stuck in DADGAD lately. Drat, I wanted to hate that tuning!  :guitar
February 18, 2008, 12:19:11 PM #16
Quote from: ducktrapper on February 18, 2008, 12:09:30 PM
My OOO is stuck in DADGAD lately. Drat, I wanted to hate that tuning!  :guitar

Too bad for you, eh ducktrapper?

That is second most used tuning.  I've had quite a bit of luck composing in it as well.  Too much fun.  I first tried it with Jimmy Page and Black Mountainside (Black Waterside for Bert Jansch fans...but he does it in dropped D) and then I discovered Pierre Bensusan, who is in DADGAD 100% of the time, and thought, wow, this guy's a monster! 

February 18, 2008, 03:52:06 PM #17
The 000 does DADGAD well! I am trying to keep mine in standard tuning so that I can get back my ole timey chops.
Ron

February 18, 2008, 06:38:39 PM #18
Quote from: rakalm on February 18, 2008, 06:15:33 PM
I have never heard of OM standing for anything other than Orchestra Model.  If not, what does it stand for in Larrivee's?

Anyone know what L stands?  I am guessing Larrivee since that model is unique to Larrivee guitars.

Cowgirlie's point was that the "0" in Larrivee 00s and 000s des not stand for OM.  In fact, it's not the letter "O", it's a zero.

Sheesh, it's getting to be like broken telephone around here.
D-03RE
D-03-12
00-50 TSB
OM-02

...and several other guitars.  Former Larrivees: P-01, OM-03R SH (Twelfth Fret special edition), P-01 Chris Hadfield special edition
February 18, 2008, 07:16:58 PM #19
How about the SMO models.... :roll :ohmy: :winkin:
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