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« on: January 28, 2008, 11:23:13 PM »

It'd look a little something like this.....only not slanted like that.  I failed to notice it before combining the frames.  Imagine it without the pickguard, too, cause that'd be coming off.


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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2008, 01:05:11 AM »

...looks good to me. 
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« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2008, 01:27:29 AM »

why do you ask?
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2008, 02:05:03 AM »

I ask because I'll be getting an L-03R pretty soon and I'm a sucker for making things a little unique.  It'd totally screw with my warranty though. 
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« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2008, 02:06:56 AM »

...looks good to me. 

You're just saying that cause I found you a spot for really cheap D'Addarios!
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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2008, 02:13:46 AM »

If it wasn't stock no way.
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« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2008, 03:43:59 AM »

why not?  like the look.  is there a reason performance would be compromised?

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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2008, 04:08:45 AM »

I can't think of any reason why it would be.  It'd be easy to do as well.  A little labor intensive, but very doable.  My dream Larrivee would be an L or LS with a slotted headstock and a pyramid bridge.
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2008, 04:13:38 AM »

you'd probably have tan lines. are Larrivee's bridges glued over the finish? You might need to refinish the top?
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« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2008, 02:50:01 PM »

you'd probably have tan lines. are Larrivee's bridges glued over the finish? You might need to refinish the top?

No. Link to process.............

http://www.larrivee.com/5_features/onlineTour/onlineTour7.html
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2008, 06:56:56 PM »

why not?  like the look.  is there a reason performance would be compromised?

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Yes. The gluing surface area is smaller for a pyramid bridge. Most guitars with pyramid bridges won't handle medium string tension.
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2008, 07:29:13 PM »

Yes. The gluing surface area is smaller for a pyramid bridge. Most guitars with pyramid bridges won't handle medium string tension.
Does that have to do with bridge or guitar it happens to be on?  If it works on 000-60 which is set up for medium strings, then I guess it might not work on one that has more tension because of smaller glue area?
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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2008, 07:38:06 PM »

The 000-60 is a 12 fret model, so it has lower string tension as a result. I should have qualified my comment. If Larrivee says it's OK for mediums I would feel good about it.

When I purchased my OM-03R SH (pyramid bridge and small bridge plate) from Dave Wren he advised me not to use medium strings (it came with lights). I ended up using True Mediums and tuned down to DADGAD for that guitar, and it it never suffered from it.

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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2008, 08:19:44 PM »

I'd be concerned about doing that kind of mod to a nice guitar...

...but, I'm trying to understand a couple things:

One, why the smaller bridge won't handle medium strings?  The strings pass THROUGH the bridge and go under the top, where, it seems to me, that it's the braces that must do the work of supporting the top more so than the bridge.

Two, what difference does it make whether a guitar is a 12 fret neck or 14 fret neck for string tension?  Isn't string tension related to scale length more than anything else?  Or is the body joint (12th versus 14th fret) a minor factor as well?  I've never heard this before (been playing for over 35 years).

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« Reply #14 on: January 29, 2008, 09:06:49 PM »

I'd be concerned about doing that kind of mod to a nice guitar...

...but, I'm trying to understand a couple things:

One, why the smaller bridge won't handle medium strings?  The strings pass THROUGH the bridge and go under the top, where, it seems to me, that it's the braces that must do the work of supporting the top more so than the bridge.

Two, what difference does it make whether a guitar is a 12 fret neck or 14 fret neck for string tension?  Isn't string tension related to scale length more than anything else?  Or is the body joint (12th versus 14th fret) a minor factor as well?  I've never heard this before (been playing for over 35 years).



You're right the 000-60 is long scale so there won't be less string tension. It's not that the pyramid brdige won't handle mediums but that might cause more bellying however Larrivee's are built so hearty I doubt it will matter. The bridge isn't supporting the top it's actually acting as an antagonist pulling against it. With a larger bridge the same force is displaced over a greater area of support so you are less likely to have a condition where the bridge rolls forward. Since the gluing area is smaller you'll probably have to refinish the entire top, I don't think the poly will blend well (could be wrong). I don't think any modern Larrivee's are bellying under normal conditions so a smaller bridge shouldn't make a difference, it would be a different story if we were talking about a lightly braced guitar.
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« Reply #15 on: January 29, 2008, 09:14:26 PM »

I have an O & SD with pyramid bridge, it is a classic look, I don't blieve it has any impact on the sound.
BTW, both are strung with mediums.

I do have a thought though. Fabricate two pyramids from the same wood as the bridge and glue them to the bridge.
No bridge or finish issues and you get the look you want.
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« Reply #16 on: January 29, 2008, 10:37:44 PM »

I'd be concerned about doing that kind of mod to a nice guitar...

...but, I'm trying to understand a couple things:

One, why the smaller bridge won't handle medium strings?  The strings pass THROUGH the bridge and go under the top, where, it seems to me, that it's the braces that must do the work of supporting the top more so than the bridge.

Two, what difference does it make whether a guitar is a 12 fret neck or 14 fret neck for string tension?  Isn't string tension related to scale length more than anything else?  Or is the body joint (12th versus 14th fret) a minor factor as well?  I've never heard this before (been playing for over 35 years).



Again, I spoke without checking all of the facts... blush

You are right, it is string length, guage and pitch that determine the string tension. I assumed, incorrectly, that the 12 fret 000 model was also a shorter scale. My apologies for the confusion.

The bridge plate under the top supports some of the string tension.

The size of the bridge, along with the bracing, determines the counter force in keeping the top from bellying.

The bridge is also subjected to a tremendous force from the strings pushing through the saddle on its way to the nut and tuners. This force is sufficient to lift the bridge off the soundboard surface if a) the glue contact area is too small or, b) the glue is not of good quality, or improperly applied.
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« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2008, 11:57:56 PM »

"The bridge plate under the top supports some of the string tension."
"The size of the bridge, along with the bracing, determines the counter force in keeping the top from bellying"
Yea I'd be careful, I think I'd go with the bridge Larrivee designed for it unless you're sure.
As far as the 000-60 I'll admit my ignorance as well about 12 frets until I started getting intersted in getting one. The body is longer stretching up to the 12th fret. Giving it a longer if narrower chamber and hence it unique sound.
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« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2008, 12:04:48 AM »

you'd probably have tan lines. are Larrivee's bridges glued over the finish? You might need to refinish the top?

There wouldn't be any tan lines because I would fashion the pyramid bridge myself and make it the same L/W as the stock bridge.  I can't speak for all Larrivee guitars, but the one I recently glued the bridge back on had the bridge gluing over some finish.  It appeared they shaved off the finish up to about 2mm from the edges of the bridge.  So, about 98% of the bridge gluing surface was wood to wood.  I think they cut it a little smaller than the bridge so that it gives a cleaner look.
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« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2008, 12:11:21 AM »

There wouldn't be any tan lines because I would fashion the pyramid bridge myself and make it the same L/W as the stock bridge.  I can't speak for all Larrivee guitars, but the one I recently glued the bridge back on had the bridge gluing over some finish.  It appeared they shaved off the finish up to about 2mm from the edges of the bridge.  So, about 98% of the bridge gluing surface was wood to wood.  I think they cut it a little smaller than the bridge so that it gives a cleaner look.
Well if it's the same length and width I suppose that would do away with previous concerns. Go for that purty bridge!
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