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« on: November 07, 2006, 02:14:54 AM »

I recently bought a L03 R... nice guitar, good quality... but the tuners are terrible.  They won't hold pitch for more than an hour or so... evertime I pick it up, I need to retune, and during playing, it goes out often.  Is this normal for the 03's ? 

I have owned and played acoustic guitars for 40 years, and don't expect this kind of issue with a guitar this nice.  My Martins seem to have the same tuners (Ping, I believe) and they don't give me any problems.

Any advice?  I really don't feel like I should have to spend more money to upgrade the tuners just to keep this in tune.

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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2006, 02:20:25 AM »

i hear ya..i have to re-tune every night.
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2006, 02:53:17 AM »

Must be the luck of the draw (or lack thereof).  My D03 stays in tune forever (almost!).  Have you checked to see if the nuts are tight? 
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« Reply #3 on: November 07, 2006, 03:33:25 AM »

I have not had good luck with the Larrivee tuners.

I have one sugestion...Gotoh 510's. Very nice and are a drop in.   
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« Reply #4 on: November 07, 2006, 04:15:53 AM »

shame on larrivee for using ABSOLUTE JUNK for tuners.  had the same problem.  almost soured me to larrivee altogether.  just bite the bullet and get some gotohs.  they'll drop right in and your tuning issues will be gone. 
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« Reply #5 on: November 07, 2006, 04:40:08 PM »

Yes, the Pings are lousy, they are the only bad thing I can say about the Larrivee line of guitars.  I have an older Larrivee from 1998, which has Schallers, they are excellent.  The Pings may look like Schallers, but they don't come even close to Schaller performance.  Every Larrivee I've had with Pings got replaced with Gotohs, which are a big improvement. 

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« Reply #6 on: November 07, 2006, 05:04:21 PM »

My guitar stays in tune really well, but the tuners do have alot of play.
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« Reply #7 on: November 07, 2006, 06:02:49 PM »

What about mini tuners for parlors?  Are there mini Gotoh 510's that would drop in without having to make any mods?  And what about regular, less expensive Gotoh's, are they as good as the 510's?

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« Reply #8 on: November 07, 2006, 07:29:15 PM »

What about mini tuners for parlors?  Are there mini Gotoh 510's that would drop in without having to make any mods?  And what about regular, less expensive Gotoh's, are they as good as the 510's?

I never had real problems with the stock tuners on my L05. However, with all the talk about the Gotohs, I replaced my stock Pings with Gotoh 0903 which I purchased on eBay. I've been using them for about three months now and the difference is noticeable! Tuning is very smooth and very precise. The 0903's cost me about $20 - they were used but actually brand new. I sold the stock Larrivee Pings on eBay for $20. Go figure!

So I don't know if the 0903's are as good as the 510's, but these seem to do the trick for me. Smooth as silk!

Here is the discussion topic on my tuner change.
http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=12825.0
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« Reply #9 on: November 07, 2006, 07:46:22 PM »

The same Ping tuners are used all up to high end Larrivee's.
I think it's a clear evidence of Larrivee's recent strategy:
They don't want to build great guitars. They are trying to build just 'enough' guitars as efficiently as possible to make money. Sad..

Taylors are far ahead in this regard, but for any reason their Ping tuners seem to work better.
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« Reply #10 on: November 07, 2006, 09:02:48 PM »

I don't quite get this. I've owned four Larrivees with Pings. All had a bit of gear lash which is common on most every lower priced tuner including the low end gotohs. The high end 510 and vintage gotohs are very nice tuners but I don't think they "hold" pitch better than a Ping. They are smoother to operate. By tuning up to pitch I've never had a guitar go flat because of a tuner slipping. Ever. I've seen tuners so bad that they could not work well enough to get a guitar in tune. The Pings are made better than that.  I'd like to know if there is a real difference between the OEM Pings on  Larrivee, Taylor, and Martin guitars.
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« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2006, 10:40:22 PM »

I've never had problems with the Pings on an 03, and we've got three 03s in our house.  I really find all the complaints baffling (not to say I don't believe them, just that it's very puzzling).

I have more trouble with the tuners on my two higher-end slotheads.
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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2006, 11:28:33 PM »

I've never had problems with the Pings on an 03, and we've got three 03s in our house.  I really find all the complaints baffling (not to say I don't believe them, just that it's very puzzling).

I have more trouble with the tuners on my two higher-end slotheads.

Every set of the Larrivee-branded Pings I've had (probably 6-8) have had issues.  I'll offer this praise..they look good      But every set has had a least 1, sometime more, tuners that has major slop in the gears, where you turn the button, and nothing happens, you keep turning, and finally it starts to move.  Thats just not right.  Some say, oh, thats te nut.  Not so, as every time I change to Gotohs, those problems disappear immediately.  Face it, the Pings are less expensive for Larrivee to use, they save a few dollars on each guitar, but they are cheap, and some people notice.   I wish I didn't notice, but I'm picky. I can overlook finish flaws and other stuff, but when it comes to operation, and ease of tuning, I'm a stickler.  YMMV.
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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2006, 11:34:13 PM »

I think it's a clear evidence of Larrivee's recent strategy:
They don't want to build great guitars. They are trying to build just 'enough' guitars as efficiently as possible to make money. Sad..
cant completely agree here.  i think they want to (and do) built great guitars, but for some reason they have settled on pings and the customer is the big loser here.  maybe they just havent heard enough negative feedack yet, but i hope they will change from pings soon.  i know they read this board. WAKE UP LARRIVEE...........STOP USING THIS JUNK FOR SUCH FINE GUITARS.  its like buying a suit from a custom tailor and then going to get your shoes at payless.  makes no sense to me....


 
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2006, 02:21:03 AM »

I don't know... i keep hearing all this horrible feedback for the ping tuners, but the stock ping tuners on my larry are awesome. I have no slop at all, they all work as they're supposed to, and my guitar stays in tune forever. In all honesty, i retune her once every few weeks, and even then it's usually barely off perfect... and i have really, really sensitive ears. (It's a curse  :UND>) I generally end up hitting the tuner on something and putting it out of tune long before it goes out itself! 

...maybe i just got a lucky batch.

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