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Title: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: Daysailer on September 25, 2005, 02:57:46 AM
 :huh:     New to this forum, but a long time lurker. 
Hacker struming player for 30 years,  more off than on.  :UND>
Kids married off or gone to College.   :mellow:   More  extra time for hobbies  ^_^
30 year old Lam Guitar "Malaga"  Japanese Dred.  Sounds ok to me  :rolleyes:
20 year old Applause.  (solid Aluminum neck with worn frets.)  great action, easy to  play.

I am trying to find that great sounding, playing,  buy of the century. I want to learn fingerstyle and dabble with Blues and see where that takes me. 

I live a fair distance from any dealers of the three brands listed,  Larrivee, Seagull, Breedlove Atlas.    (I actually live closest  to the Breedlove Shops in Tumolo Oregon, about 3 hours)  I have Played Taylors 214/314., and I liked them. But I kept looking anyway. Then I discovered this Larrivee forum!!!!!.  After contracting a severe case of GAS, I got in the car and drove, (2.99 per/gal) to the nearrest Larrivee dealer.  I wanted to like the OM-03R,  but instead  got hooked on the  L-03R, and L-05.    So what's the problem???     Budget constraints suggested (read wife) that the 'L's were a bit of a stretch and I should lower my aim a bit.  So my question to all  of you who may have an opinion  (I may be in the wrong place   :rolleyes: )  Do  any of the Seagulls or Altas's approach the playability and sound of the Larrivee L's.   ??????   I heard that the Seagulls have very thick necks. and I think I am pretty used to  thinnish necks,  nut size 1.75 ok tho.  However the shorter scale of the Seagull may improve playabilty..  The entry level Breedloves look good but don't seem to get much press or credible reviews. I think I  would  like a somewhat smaller body than a Dred.

Do I  sound like I am going in circles.????    YEP for the last month or so.  Then I found a Seagull  MJM6 (mini Jumbo on Ebay) with almost no info, but looks good on paper.  here I go again.    My thinning hair is falling out faster these days.   :huh:

I have read  many many of the posts here, and have been impressed with the high level of expertise, civility, and sense of humor I have found .   Not to mention one or two of you seem to like to share your opionion occasionally.    :GRN>     Any thoughts about these choices   ???

  Thanks, phill
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which o
Post by: ronmac on September 25, 2005, 05:42:20 AM
Hi Phill,

I haven't had the chance to play any of the Breedlove, so I can't offer an opinion on them. The Seagull guitars are nice. They are well made and sound very good, especially for the price. But they do not come close to the fit, finish, feel and sound of a Larrivee. Period.

Since you have played the Larrivee, and liked it, I would set my aim on that. There is no value in buying a cheaper guitar and then finding out that it doesn't meet your approval. It is better to suffer the GAS pains a little longer and buy what you want, when the budget allows it.

Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: Denis on September 25, 2005, 06:44:15 AM
The L-03R should be the same price as the OM-03R/D-03R...etc  Breedloves are nice but if the 05 series is a stretch price wise, Breedloves will be much more of a stretch.  Seagull, I've had a couple, they are nicely price, good quality but I will echo the comment that they are nowhere near the quality, fit and finish of the Larrivees.  If you liked the L-05, try an L-03.  These standard 03 series in mahogany are the least expensive guitars in the Larrivee catalog but they are just as good as anything they make.

Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: jmhyer on September 25, 2005, 07:46:20 AM
I'll go with what the others have said...Larrivee -03 series (OM or L, with standard spruce top and mahogany back/sides).  Look for a used one for $400-600 USD.

As far as leverage with the wife...would she rather you take up golf, spend way more money on a decent set of clubs/club membership/greens fees, and never be home??  How about cars as a hobby??  Get my point?  :WNK> -_-

BTW...Welcome to the Larrivee forum family!
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: tiffer on September 25, 2005, 10:25:52 AM
Hi Phil;

All three are great choices.  I have had over the past two years guitars from all three manufactures.  All are very nice guitars, with Larrivee being the more custom of the three.  My advice is to play all the models you are interested in and let your ears and hands make the choice for you.  However, I can only add my experience and views as follow, which are just that my views:

Larrivee - Made in Canada or USA depending on model. All solid wood, choice in neck width, choice in back & side woods.  Has a great balanced tone, with a balanced bass that does not overpower mids or highs.  But bass is not a pronounced bass as found in other makes but still very nice.  Fit and finish are excellent with the pricing being much better than comparable manufaturers products for the same guitar.  Given the choices in neck width with the 2 3/16 saddle spacing they make a great fingerstyle guitar.  for what you are looking at with fingerstyle and blues, this may be your wiser choice.  You can't go wrong with a Larry.... Period!

Breedlove Atlas - First these are made in Korea with the final inspection and set-up done in Oregon.  Limited choice in woods (mahogony or rosewood), and only available in 1 11/16th neck width.  Does have a wider saddle than most, dang near 2 1/4.  Have found fit and finish on all the ones I have played and the one I owned to be excellent.  Has a very balanced tone, with a more pronounced bass response than the Larry does.  Good for fingerstyle given the wider saddle spacing, but the left hand can get cramped if you like the wider 1 3/4 nut width.  Greater overall volume (not necessarily good or bad) than the Larrys I have played, but for fingerstyle don't think you will notice the difference at all.  Thier solid wood models do have laminate sides on them, if that makes a difference.  Very nice guitars with great sound and good pricing.  A great bang for the buck guitar.  But, for the same price you can pick up an all solid wood made in Canada or USA Larrivee depending on the model.

Seagull - Made in Canada.  The models you are looking at I believe are solid top, laminate side and back.  Godin does a great job on their laminates though.  Limited to the wider neck 1.8 (which has the same string spacing as the 1 3/4 necks, but only a 2 1/8 saddle spacing).  They have a very pleasing sound, with a balanced tone.  Nice bass, but not overpowering.  Very good pricing on these, and you will probably find these cheeper than the Larrys or Breeds you are looking at.  Have played many of these at my dealers along with the Breedloves, and have yet to find a bad one.  Consistancy is very good.  But of the three you have listed, these would be the cheapest dollar wise.

I think it all comes down to the sound you are looking for.  All three are great guitars, with great sound and playability.  Dollar for dollar my choice would be the Larry, but you can't go wrong with any of them.  Again my advice would be to go play as many as you can and again let your ears and hands make the final decission.  :WNK>

Just my $0.02
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: Daysailer on September 25, 2005, 11:52:27 AM
   :WNK>       Jerry, thanks, and you are right.  I could have other hobbies, like racing sailboats.   (opps I better not mention that one.)     -------YA, Golf,   thats the ticket !!  :wacko:   I'll use that one.   The guitar will keep me home. and out of the 19th hole. 

        Thanks  'tiffer'  for good comparisons and details of string spacing.  I wish I could try the Seagull and Breedlove Atlas's, but the closest dealer for Seagull closed thier doors  (retired)  about 6 months ago after being the best music store for our area.   Do you have an opinion about the neck thickness, fretboard top to back of neck, on these, especially the Seagull line??    Smallish hands here.    And I will probably have to buy online to get any of these, so,     mo' info - m'o' better. 

phill

Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: jmhyer on September 25, 2005, 12:33:38 PM
I have an M-6.  I don't find that the thickness of the neck (i.e.- from fretboard to back of neck) is a problem.  I'm not near my guitars right now, so I can't measure, but I don't think it seems any thicker than my Larrivee.  The main difference, to me is the nut/fretboard width.  The Seagulls have a 1.8 inch nut width.  If I am correct, the Larrivee OM and L have 1.75 inches as their standard.  I have long fingers, so the difference is not significant to me, but that may not be the case with you.
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: Daysailer on September 25, 2005, 02:07:47 PM
Thanks Jerry.     Can you even feel the difference in .05" nut spacing  ?? 
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: jmhyer on September 25, 2005, 02:17:45 PM
I can't, but if a 1.75 inch nut is a stretch for some, then the extra width certainly won't help.  If the 1.75 inch is fine, then I doubt there would be a problem.
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: tiffer on September 25, 2005, 03:57:34 PM
Phil,

The feel of the Seagull 1.8 neck and the Larrivee 1 3/4 neck is very similar in thickness.  Where you will notice the difference is in the spacing of the 1st & 6th strings from the edge of the fretboard, on the Seagull they sit back from the edge just a little further.  Due to this there is a little more of a stretch for a thumb wrap on the 6th string, which you will find much of in finger style, especially the blues.

If you have smallish hands and find the 1 3/4 nut bothersome, you may want to stick with the 1 11/16 neck.  Also, the Seagull's although having the wider nut spacing, have the same string spacing at the saddle as a drednought 2 1/8.  which many in fingerstyle find to be tight and not their preference.   If you are buying online, for Larrivee or Breedlove Atlas series, I would recommend our own Jason at notable guitars.  Great guy and won't steer you wrong.
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: retrow on September 25, 2005, 04:10:10 PM
Just my little opinion as I'm not an expert but I definitely feel a difference in the Seagull versus the Larri. I have a Seagull and the neck width gives a presence in my left hand which I like (have long thin fingers). I have tried an OM Larri which will most likely be my next purchase and I feel less presence but don't mind. I also noticed that because I'm learning a particular chord that uses the 3rd finger on 5th string whilst deadening 6th, it's been harder for a newbie like me to make it sound clean whereas when I tried it on a smaller neck width guitar, no problem. Not that this is not workable, it is just taking a little more time. Personally, if I had small fingers, even though through much practice and time the Seagull would be fine, I'd go with the Larri. at the beginning to make things easier and to keep from 2nd guessing myself, kwim?

retrow
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: Brad166 on September 25, 2005, 04:26:03 PM
Iv had a Seagull and I have a few Larrivees. Your almost certinly going to feel the wider nut width. Not that its a bad thing. But just diffrent. Personaly I think your going to agree the 03 L is just a nicer guitar in genral. It sounds sweeter, feel better and looks leaps and bounds above the seagull. Its just a nicer guitar plain and simple. But dont get me wrong, Seagull makes a hell of a guitar too. Especialy for the price.
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: Daysailer on September 25, 2005, 04:50:37 PM
Thanks to all !!!   Chris,  I think you hit on the info I am looking for.   The bass string distance from the fretboard edge.  I am learning a finger style that uses the left thumb quite a bit. On my "Malaga" the distance is a fairly easy reach.   1/8" from the outside edge, and the binding is a bit rounded, which gives the thumb a little less distance to reach.  All the guitars I've tried that have the bass string close to the edge, also have the binding squared off, making it more difficult to get a good note out of the wrap around thumbing.   It looks like my search is getting easier,  Seagull probably isnt the way to go. (I do like thier logo)    I have  even considered reshaping the neck edge with file, sanding block and then polishing the edge back to an accetable appearance.  But,  if I do find a way to get my dream  Larrivee, I would not have the heart to improve the insturment that way.  I wonder if any luthiers have considered the possible importance of getting the bass string closer to the edge or shaping the binding/fretboard for this style of playing. 

If Larrivee becomes my choice.  I still have to chase my tail on the  mahogony, rosewood,  an Mt options.    :UND>
Will this ever get  easier.    :huh:

Thanks again to all, and any others who want to try the waters on this thread.     

    phill      :mellow:
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: tiffer on September 25, 2005, 05:56:52 PM
Phill,

Given you said you were wanting to learn fingerstyle and dabble in the blues, figured this should be brought up as a thumb wrap for deading or playing the 6th string is is very prevelent in this style of music.   Seagulls are indeed nice, and their playability is very good, but I did find the stretch on the 6th string just that a stretch for me. 

Strangely it's not just the neck width, but also the thickness that counts.  For thumb wraps, my Breedlove is far eaisier than my Larry, as it is for flatpicing with speed, as it has a shallower neck than the Larry, although both are 1 3/4.  The Larry on the other hand is easier for me to Barr, which may be do to greater mass.  I like the feel of the neck on the Larry better, but find greater speed and accuracy with the Breedlove.  May be just me, but I do notice the difference.
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: jmhyer on September 25, 2005, 06:06:41 PM
Just went to Jason's sight (notableguitars.com) and saw an OM-03R with a price of $899.  I got the impression, that you could get a better price by calling or e-mailing him.  This is a new guitar.  These are considered by many forum members to be the sweetest and most versatile Larrivees available...and they are possibly the best buy period on all-solid-wood, North American-made acoustic guitars.  If I were in the market, I would suck this one up in a heartbeat.  Go check it out, but be prepared for a serious GAS attack...  ^_^
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which o
Post by: Nephidoc on September 25, 2005, 06:08:52 PM
I hate to call myself an expert... but I own both an LV-03K and a M-6.
The Larivee sits in a case and I have the Seagull on a stand in my study.
The Seagull goes camping and out on the back deck with me.
Guess which one gets used more?

I know this may sound funny but the Seagull feels smaller and as though it
has a shorter neck, but they are the same length. (I put them on my left knee),
I use them both regularly and have no problem switching from one to the other.

What I find the biggest difference is the sound.  Everytime I play the Larrivee
I wonder why I even pick the Seagull up.  It has a wider timbre and just
sings.  Although my kids like it when I play the Seagull because I let them sit on my
lap and strum while I fret.  They know not to touch the Larrivee.

No question I'd go with the Larrivee, but I do love the Seagull.
Best of luck.

Stan

Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: Walkerman on September 25, 2005, 06:41:15 PM
Tell your wife how many years you plan to own and enjoy the Larrivee of your choice.  Divide the price by the number of years, and you will get a dollar amount per year.  Ask your wife if your happiness isn't worth that amount per year.  Or, tell her you'll get the Larrivee now, and she doesn't have to get you a birthday gift for the next "X" number of years.....
or, buy what you want and tell your wife "it followed me home, can I keep it?"
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: Daysailer on September 25, 2005, 10:30:22 PM
Chris, thanks for the wrapping info.  I think your Breedlove is in a far different class than the Atlas's I am/was considering.   :WNK>

Jerry, thanks for the OM shopping info.  I was able to try an om-03r and a L03r at the only Larrivee dealer in this area. 100 miles.  I wanted to lilke the OM going in, but, the L won me over.  just a fuller more complete sound to me.  It could have been better strings, now that I think about it.    If I can swing the trip again, I might ask for new strings to make my final judgement,  if they have'nt sold one or both by now.  The price you found was very good and I will keep notable at the top of my list.  -_-

Stan,  your info was exactly what I am looking for.  The M6 was a strong second in my research, but  I am looking for that 'rest of my life' guitar.  -_-

Walkerman,   I like how you think.   I have been playing my old guitar 30 + years.  Bought it in San Diego while in the Navy in '73.  So the next insturment may well be the one I play for a very long time, and the Larrivee is probably it.  ^_^

A big thanks to all        phill    :mellow:
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: jmhyer on September 26, 2005, 09:16:48 AM
Also check out the new L-03's at both andysguitars.com and guitaradoptions.com
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: 12barBill on September 26, 2005, 11:24:09 AM
I think the Artist Series Seagulls (solid wood backs and mahogany necks) compare favorably to just about any Larrivee and to me are more "playable." I like the Seagull scale length and the Seagull neck. I also like the Seagull nitro lacquer finish. I certainly would not say that an Artist Series Seagull "does not come close to a Larrivee in fit, finish, feel, and tone." That's not fair and is misinforming IMHO. I own both and that's my opinion. I guess personal preference is always a personal thing. 
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: spinrider2000 on September 26, 2005, 11:40:52 AM
daysailer, my first guitar was a Seagull M6. I really felt comfortable on this guitar. I have small hands and playing is no problem. A few months ago after finding this forum I bought an L-03r.....good choice it turns out to be. Playing between the two guitars......the L has a lower action, better construction quality. Now the other factors, cost for the L is around $300 more. ok, in my opinion worth it. As far as ease of playing both are equal. Now to the sound..... when I play country type songs the Larrivee is better to my ear......when I go a little blues the Seagull sounds better to my ear! to be honest I like the blues on the Seagull! I believe its a toss up to what you are playing. Quality and sound (in general) go to the Larrivee....a good, well priced, guitar, that will open up well with playing then the Seagull....I have both. Cant go wrong either way, just make a choice, make that guitar RING and then never look back!
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: Pjmsj21 on September 26, 2005, 11:56:01 AM
Phil

I looked at the three guitars that you are looking at when I purchased my LO3R last year at this time.  In one of your posts you mentioned looking for a "guitar for life".  I took pretty much the same approach and think that based upon this comment you should go with the Larrivee....not that the other guitars you are considering are not good choices.  I just think that any Larrivee is a guitar that many players could be happy with for  the rest of their lives and not need to upgrade...down the line.

Pat Mc
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: retrow on September 26, 2005, 11:57:24 AM
Quote from: Walkerman on September 25, 2005, 06:41:15 PM
Tell your wife how many years you plan to own and enjoy the Larrivee of your choice.  Divide the price by the number of years, and you will get a dollar amount per year.  Ask your wife if your happiness isn't worth that amount per year.  Or, tell her you'll get the Larrivee now, and she doesn't have to get you a birthday gift for the next "X" number of years.....
or, buy what you want and tell your wife "it followed me home, can I keep it?"

Hahahahaha. Take it from a wife, none of that will work. Just tell her I bought this Larri and that's that!!! Okay, that definitely won't work either. Just start a guitar fund. Let her know of it's existance (ie: in an envelope) letting her know she can add to it if she'd like. When you have enough in it, you'll feel good buying it since you waited and saved. LOL. I keep reminding myself that when I look at my envelope... almost there!
retrow
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which o
Post by: kwakatak on September 26, 2005, 01:13:07 PM
OT: Retrow, that's a good idea! I've been window shopping for two years now and wish that thought had come to my attention back then. If it had, I'd probably have had either a OM-03R or at least a L-03 by now - and started saving for the other! ;)
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: tiffer on September 26, 2005, 05:19:59 PM
Phill,

Brought up the comparrison between my Larry & Breedlove only due to the difference in the thickness of the necks.  Not to compare to the Atlas, although the thickness front to back are the same.  The Breed is more along the lines of a Martin Modified low oval neck, which is shallow from front to back, whereas the Larry has a thicker neck front to back and fills the hand better.  As stated I prefer the feel of the Larry's neck, but find for some things the thinner neck of the Breed easier.

I have only played 3 L series Larry's, and all were keepers, as were the 2 Dreds and 1 OM I have tried.  I like more bass, but the Larry's are just such sweet sounding balanced guitars.  Plus the fit and finish are second to none.  For a guitar you will keep for a long long time, can't see how you would be dissapointed in a Larry.  Well worth more than what they sell for.

Retrow,

It's good to have a womans view, lets us know what we can and can't get away with  :GRN> or what will or won't work.  :huh: But it sure never hurts to try  :WNK> 
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: retrow on September 26, 2005, 05:34:13 PM
Quote from: tiffer on September 26, 2005, 05:19:59 PM
Retrow,

It's good to have a womans view, lets us know what we can and can't get away with  :GRN> or what will or won't work.  :huh: But it sure never hurts to try  :WNK> 

Nope, it doesn't hurt to try and as I always tell my hubby, "CASH SPEAKS"!
LOL– actually, only when there's a guitar I'm trying to save up for, but in
general flowers suffice, even if it's from Costco.

retrow
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: Daysailer on September 26, 2005, 10:58:10 PM
  Pjmsj21.       How did you choose between the Mahogony and Rosewood for your "guitar for life????

:rolleyes:
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: sayheyjeff on September 27, 2005, 09:57:18 AM
I went through a similar decision process nearly a year ago.  main difference was that I was looking at tacoma parlors and not the breedloves as the 3rd guitar in the mix.  I really like my teacher's tacoma and couldn't find the right one used to buy.  Played a few larrivees at a local shop and loved playing them - particularly a mahogany top D03.  Was able to play seagulls locally too.  Found them to be very nice.  Sounded good and are comfortable to play.  I didn't think they were anywhere near as nice as the larrivees, however, and saw that as reasonable given the price difference.  Didn't care for the local store local and thought the L might be a better size for me, so when Jason of Notable put a beautiful LO5MT up for sale in my price range with a trial period, I decided to stop looking and go for it.  Not one moment of regret.  Its a fabulous guitar.  It is great to play and is beautiful to listen to.  In the house, I never play anything else.  I play with a mostly pick and at this point mostly strum while learning to flatpick.  I am years from "ready for primetime" so I can't tell you how it works playing with others, but my teacher says it is as nice a guitar as he has played (he has a great little martin cutaway, a tacoma parlor and a tacoma dred). 

I have since picked up a used Seagull Folk that was available locally and its nice to play but not the same.  Play it on the porch and in the yard and to lessons in bad weather.  I like it and think it is a good instrument but I don't think the neck or fingerboard feel as good or are as easy to play, it has a simple, more basic sound compared with my Larrivee and, while attractive, is not the beautiful instrument to look at that my larrivee is. 

I don't have pictures to share yet but the LO5MT you can see LB play on his web site will give you the idea. 

jeff   
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: Hoser Rob on September 27, 2005, 01:07:44 PM
I'm not going to give specific brand recommendations, but if you want to play fingerstyle I think what you need is volume.  I think that's pretty important for pickstyle too ... in fact I think it's the number one thing other than whether it fits you and the fretboard is true ... but fingerstylists almost always aren't going to hit the strings as hard as you would with a big pick.

Seagulls with cedar tops do tend to be pretty good in this respect.  Cedar is a loud wood and that's why it's so common with nylon string and some other guitars marketed to fingerstylists.  Breedloves are considered good for fingerstyle but I don't know about the Atlas ones.  I'm sure Larrys are good too but everyone I know who uses one uses a pick ... which isn't a comment on the guitars.

Don't be swayed by the hype that you can't play dreads fingerstyle.  Some of the best players have done just that.  It really comes down to the individual guitar and setup.  You can put two of the same model side by side and one could be great for fingerstyle and the other one stinky.

When you're trying guitars, have someone else play them in a good size room and see how loud they are across the room.  As I said volume is very important.  What good's a great tone if you're jamming with people and they can't hear you?
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: 12barBill on September 27, 2005, 01:14:38 PM
I'm still trying to get the point across that the Artist Series Seagulls are on an entirely different level of guitar than the S Series and the M Series. Woods, appointments, tone - a big step up... not that the S and M Series are not great guitars for the money. Oh well, I realize that this IS the "Larrivee Guitar Forum."
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: Pjmsj21 on September 27, 2005, 01:47:43 PM
Quote from: Daysailer on September 26, 2005, 10:58:10 PM
  Pjmsj21.       How did you choose between the Mahogony and Rosewood for your "guitar for life????

:rolleyes:


Well I just liked the sound of rosewood versus the mahogany or at least I did at the time.  And while I still consider myself more of a rosewood guy, I have heard some very nice mahogany guitars and I dont think the decision if made now would be as easy for me.  In essence my tastes have expanded to better appreciatet mahogany.  But none the less if I could only have one guitar (which is currently my situation) I would still choose rosewood for it's deep throaty characteristics.  Rosewood vs mahogany is one  of those questions that is asked all of the time as evidenced by the numerous posts on this and other forums.
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which o
Post by: ronmac on September 27, 2005, 02:37:58 PM
Quote from: 12barBill on September 27, 2005, 01:14:38 PM
I'm still trying to get the point across that the Artist Series Seagulls are on an entirely different level of guitar than the S Series and the M Series. Woods, appointments, tone - a big step up... not that the S and M Series are not great guitars for the money. Oh well, I realize that this IS the "Larrivee Guitar Forum."

You are right about this. The Artist Series is definitely a step above the regular lines. I am still hesitant to put them in the same league as the Larrivee, but I will say that they are a great guitar.

A couple of years ago the Twelfth Fret had a used Seagull Artist Grand. I already owned a regular Grand, but I knew the Artist would be a diferent beast, given that it was solid RW B/S. I hesitated, mostly because it was so cheap!

The kicker is that it was just traded in by J.P Cormier (East Coast acoustic instrument GOD) so I figured that there must be something wrong with it (it was being sold cheap!). I was hosting a festival featuring J.P. the next day so I asked him about it. He told me it was a Killer little guitar, and that he had just used it on an album that he had finished cutting. But J.P. has major league GAS and he traded a whole whack of instruments in on a new Gibson SJ Custom Maple (that he was showing off at the Festival). His advise, buy the Grand!!!

Guess what? I called the Fret the next day and it was gone :<>

Sometimes inexpensive doesn't mean cheap.

Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: sayheyjeff on September 27, 2005, 02:44:30 PM
want to agree with what has been said about the artist series seagulls.  also want to clarify that mine is an artist series.  (and it is a pretty loud little guitar).

jeff
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: Daysailer on October 07, 2005, 05:55:25 PM
 -_-           Thanks to all for helping me see these choices from different points of view.  I did get a chance to play some seagulls, Including an Maple Artist Series, that had playability that was just what I was looking for.  Alas, the maple sound was not. 

In the end, I choose  to stretch the budget and tracked down an L03 BW.  The advice to look at this longer term  (have been playing my old box, all lam, for over 33 years)  was what I needed to set my aim a bit higher.

Look for my "the rest of the story" post , soon to be released in the For sale secton of this forum.

Again, Thanks for all the thoughful and honest opinions shared here.   


phill         :mellow:
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: irichrobi on November 14, 2005, 01:37:15 AM
Hey, I'm new to this site. And I'm new to these forums, so if I don't do things right, please let me know.
I've been reading these posts, and I was not going to reply just yet but this post but it was just too coinsidental. I happpen to have an M6-GT Seagull, and I just bought a L-03r today. I had to drive 100 miles each way to get it.
I live in Whittier Ca, and had to drive to Carlsbad in San Diego Co. to Buffollo Brothers. Big sellection of guitars. Good prices.
Well, I like the Seagull. It sounds good, but I found it a little hard on my fingers. And it was a little on the tight side when playing cords in the first three frets. I think it's a couple of steps below the L-o3. Anyway, it was a good excusse to buy a larrivee. The larrivee sounds so much nicer. I was going to sell the Seagull but I think I will keep it for a while. I hope it won't collect too much dust with the new Larrivee around.
Will be talking to you more often now that I'm an owner.
-_-
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: Randy_R on November 14, 2005, 06:30:46 AM
welcome to the forum irichrobi. And congratulations on becoming a Larrivee owner.

Buffalo Bros sounds like a good place to visit some day.
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: tbp0701 on November 14, 2005, 09:22:21 AM
I'm also new here but have lurked for a couple of weeks.

To the original post, I've looked at both Seagulls and Larrivees quite a bit (as well as Martin 15-series and Taylor 2xxs) and have to say, I really liked a couple of Seagulls I tried (but also found a couple I didn't care for).  However, I thought that, even with a Seagull, I'd probably still want a Larrivee L or OM-03 or Martin 000-15,  So I figured it'd be better to get what I really liked anyway.  I don't know if that argument can hold sway with a wife.  Besides, add in the extra cost for a case with a Seagull, and the 03/000-15s don't seem all that much more expensive.  (As for me, well, life got a bit ugly, so I don't have any of the above and am making due with my Strat and a '65 Gibson B-25 that my father originally found in a pawn shop in the 70s).
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: retrow on November 14, 2005, 09:37:48 AM
Quote from: irichrobi on November 14, 2005, 01:37:15 AM
I've been reading these posts, and I was not going to reply just yet but this post but it was just too coinsidental. I happpen to have an M6-GT Seagull, and I just bought a L-03r today. I had to drive 100 miles each way to get it.
I live in Whittier Ca, and had to drive to Carlsbad in San Diego Co. to Buffollo Brothers. Will be talking to you more often now that I'm an owner.
-_-

Hey, welcome to the forum irichrobi! I too took that drive w/ hubby (we live in Redlands) just a few weeks ago and came home with an OM-03R. Oh, and I too own a Seagull S-6 gt which I'm thinking of trading, it would be nice to get a Larri Parlour or Martin 00-15. Always loved my Seagull but realistically I probably won't play it since the OM is so much more comfy.
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: retrow on November 14, 2005, 09:44:06 AM
Quote from: tbp0701 on November 14, 2005, 09:22:21 AM
I'm also new here but have lurked for a couple of weeks.

To the original post, I've looked at both Seagulls and Larrivees quite a bit (as well as Martin 15-series and Taylor 2xxs)
Just wanted to welcome you to the forum tbp!!!! Lots of knowledgeable people around here, keep on posting.
Title: Re: HELP Larrivee 'L''s -- Seagull M6, MJM6, Folk, Breedlove Atlas. Which one ?
Post by: tbp0701 on November 14, 2005, 11:31:49 AM
Thanks, retrow.  There's been quite a bit of good reading so far.