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Title: New Condenser Mic with iBeam
Post by: drathbun on July 10, 2005, 03:03:39 AM
I've just purchased a new medium diaphram condenser microphone for recording. Even though it isn't a $400 Neumann, I'm impressed with the sound quality difference from a cheap dynamic mic.

I've recorded a short MP3 of my Larrivee L05, putting the LRBaggs iBeam active pickup on the right channel and the Apex 435 on the left channel. The only processing I did was, I saved the mix straight out of Sonar 4.0 and compressed it in SoundForge 6.0 with "WaveHammer" on smooth compression.  The mic was about 3" from the 20th fret.

It sounds a whole bunch better than just the iBeam itself.   -_-

Here is the link:

Anybody Out There? (http://members.shaw.ca/rathbun/mp3/anybody.mp3)

The song is "Anybody Out There?" by Pink Floyd.


Title: Re: New Condenser Mic with iBeam
Post by: ronmac on July 10, 2005, 12:02:07 PM
Well played, Drathburn.



Title: Re: New Condenser Mic with iBeam
Post by: Randy_R on July 10, 2005, 01:46:16 PM
good sound quality (and clean playing).


Title: Re: New Condenser Mic with iBeam
Post by: jox51 on July 10, 2005, 05:23:45 PM
Good job, Good sound and good playing. I enjoyed that.


Title: Re: New Condenser Mic with iBeam
Post by: Zach on July 11, 2005, 04:54:10 AM
Sounds really good.  Nice playing too.  What preamp & soundcard are you using?


Title: Re: New Condenser Mic with iBeam
Post by: drathbun on July 11, 2005, 06:45:07 AM
Thanks folks!

I played through an Alto 6 channel mixer (phantom power and non-tube preamps) to an M-Audio Audiophile USB external soundcard. I had the EQ flat on the mixer.

In reading some of the other threads about microphone placement, I guess I should place the condenser further away from the soundhole? Some say at least 24"? Anyone have expertise with condenser mic placement over the soundhole?





Title: Re: New Condenser Mic with iBeam
Post by: djsonovox on July 12, 2005, 05:44:35 PM
Sounds good! What is the brand and make of condensor you are using? I have three AKG C-3000 condensors. One is the older model with the 2nd element wired out of phase, that when switched in, narrows the pickup field to "hyper-cardioid". plus a bass cuttoff and a volume cut switch.. They are great, and you can find them for about $100 sometimes, with shock mounts.

Doug J


Title: Re: New Condenser Mic with iBeam
Post by: drathbun on July 12, 2005, 05:53:10 PM
The condenser mic is an Apex 435 (http://www.apexelectronics.com) wide diaphram in a shock mount (search for  Apex 435). I got it for $70 Cdn.

I also picked up a Behringer MIC200 (http://www.behringer.com/MIC200/index.cfm?lang=ENG") modeling tube preamp.


Title: Re: New Condenser Mic with iBeam
Post by: Fstpicker on July 15, 2005, 01:10:33 AM
Wow! That sounds REALLY GOOD! Thanks for sharing! Any more?

Jeff


Title: Re: New Condenser Mic with iBeam
Post by: sdelsolray on July 17, 2005, 04:19:22 PM
Thanks folks!

I played through an Alto 6 channel mixer (phantom power and non-tube preamps) to an M-Audio Audiophile USB external soundcard. I had the EQ flat on the mixer.

In reading some of the other threads about microphone placement, I guess I should place the condenser further away from the soundhole? Some say at least 24"? Anyone have expertise with condenser mic placement over the soundhole?

If you want the recording to sound more like the actual guitar does dry, moving the mic out a bit should help that.  Also, turn up the mic and turn down the pickup in the mix - that will also get you closer to the actual sound, if that's what you want. 

Placing a mic close to the soundhole can be done, but it's done rarely, and even then only if the mic's polar pattern is set to omni.


Title: Re: New Condenser Mic with iBeam
Post by: drathbun on July 17, 2005, 04:36:52 PM
Thanks sdelsolray! There does seem to be a sweet spot a couple of feet from the soundhole.


Title: Re: New Condenser Mic with iBeam
Post by: fitness1 on July 17, 2005, 05:15:03 PM
that's too funny.......I've been playing that piece since it came out (26 years ago - YIKES)  and had kind of forgotten about it until I wanted to challenge one of my students a couple of weeks ago to learn it.   
   I think the I-beam with a condensor is as good as you can do........I use an external AKG C3000B for both live and recording along with the Baggs I-beam passive and Gigpro on all of my instruments.......you can spend a lot more, but you certainly won't get much more natural sound!!
   BTW, I always thought it was part of "Vera", not "Is There Anybody Out There".......goes to show what I know - LOL!!!


Title: Re: New Condenser Mic with iBeam
Post by: drathbun on July 17, 2005, 07:22:53 PM
"Is There Anybody Out There?" follows "Hey You" and is followed by "Nobody Home" and then "Vera". "Vera" and "Bring the Boys Back Home" are two tracks I skip on that album.

Another good acoustic song on "The Wall" is "Goodbye Blue Sky".