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Title: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: Bkinley on June 09, 2005, 05:53:23 PM
Hey Guys,
I am going to start playing for the worship band at my church and need some kind of pickup for my Martin OM-21.  There are drums, an electric guitarist, Bass, Choir and Keyboards, I will be playing mostly Rhythym, strumming and occasional Fingerstyle through a PA.  The couple of stores I have spoken with have reccomended the Fishman Matrix I but most of the reviews I have read of them have been pretty bad. Any insight would be much appreciated!

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: mdrulez on June 09, 2005, 06:16:18 PM
I would have to agree with the fishman...I regret getting it.

Most people rave about the K&K Pure Western pickup

Also, the L.R. Baggs iBeam is really good for smaller bodied guitars.

Depending on the store, I wouldn't go for what they tell you, as most stores cater to rock-style artists who need a high-volume/non-feedback pickup, such as the Fishman.  I got this recommendation and installed a Fishman, but I'm thinking about changing to an ibeam dual source or K&K once I get some money.

Make sure to get an active pickup, and perhaps an L.R. Baggs preamp,  as it will help cut through that band mix and cut potential feedback. 
Check out Shoreline Music, they have a large selection of pickups and pretty good prices as well:

Anyways, good luck! and Praise God!

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: el guitana on June 09, 2005, 06:50:43 PM
Depends on how loud the setting is - the K & K sounds so much better to me, but the Fishman holds out against feedback very well.

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: dbirchett on June 09, 2005, 07:18:54 PM
The Baggs and K&K seem to be great systems. Check out the Dean Markleys as well. I love 'em.

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: drathbun on June 10, 2005, 03:58:16 AM
I've got two iBeams, one in my L05 and one in my Yamaha FG720-12 string. I love 'em both. None of that quacky UST sound. I've purchased a Dean Markley Tahoe soundhole mag pickup that I'm putting in my Yamaha FG150, but I haven't received it yet.

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: HangFire on June 10, 2005, 04:08:33 AM
I've got K&K Pure Western going through my Mackie system, sounds great!

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: sublro on June 10, 2005, 07:05:41 PM
if you're going to be in loud situations, and by that I mean almost anything with a rythm section, you may have feedback problems with most types of transducers.

there's a new magnetic pickup that's getting great reviews. The LR Baggs M-1. I'd check that out. It comes in an active and passive (i.e. with or without built-in pre-amp) versions

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: dreamsinger on June 11, 2005, 06:02:41 PM
Another vote for K&K. I used to use a PUTW #54 dual sourced with Joe Mills internal mic and the K&K by itself  is *far* superior.

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: dberch on June 11, 2005, 09:59:50 PM
Another vote for K&K.  I'm playing in a trio now with upright bass and a drummer.  I have had no feedback problems whatsoever.  It sounds GREAT, and I aways get good comments on my tone.  B-Bands UST/AST combo is also excellent, but more pricey.

I posted a clip of my OM-05MT with K&K direct somewhere on this forum.  Do a search on Busted Bicycle, and you'll find it.


Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: bing4sons on June 11, 2005, 10:09:49 PM
Personally, for playing in a worship band setup, I like either the B-Band A2.2 or the LR Baggs iMix.  They both combine a UST and AST pickup system.  They are very versatile in that you can blend between the UST and AST to get the most natural sound, while avoiding feedback.

I don't know if it's just a bad installation, but I find my K&K too mid rangey for me.

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: uncleshish on June 12, 2005, 12:55:46 AM
Personally, I have been most pleased with the Baggs iMix system. I have it installed on both my 6 & 12 string Taylors and absolutely love it.
It is the best thing I have ever used in a live setting. It mixes the best of both worlds with the iBeam and the Element with a volume control plus a mix control.
The iBeam is a wonderful pickup for solo work by itself, but playing with a band you may find that the bass and drums could cause the iBeam by itself to feedback. No problem simply rotate the dial more towards the Element.
The best thing is that it does not permanently alter your guitar whatsoever except perhaps at the endpin. I'm not sure about Martins, but Taylors endpins are already pre-drilled to accept the input jack.

By the way, nice little OM you have there. I've been seriously looking at adding a Martin OM to my small stable -_-

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: Zach on June 12, 2005, 04:31:54 PM
I vote K&K too, as usual.  Maybe the PowerBlend Pure system (I want to try the new PowerBlend Trinity).  I will say that I used the regular Pure Western pickup through a PADI and never had a feedback problem, even at fairly loud levels.

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: parsky1 on June 12, 2005, 07:54:43 PM
Vote for the Imix also, the Ibeam is a great solo pickup, it will pick up all the rythmic taps much better than the UST, but it is more suseptable to feedback.  Usually when I play with the full band I turn it all the way to the UST and use a feedback buster, which probably isnt' necessary.

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: Escalibore on June 13, 2005, 12:52:36 AM
I recently added a K&K Pure Western Mini and the Pure Preamp to my L-09 and the sound is as natural as one could want. I love this rig, but I do fight occasional feedback. If only the Pure Preamp had a notch filter...

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: charliep on June 13, 2005, 04:03:22 PM
I have the Baggs active I-beam and the Baggs PARA DI . It does a great job. But.........I am sure leaning toward the K&K for my L03 just for variety. I wouldn't have any reservations about buying any of the Baggs products again

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: Daddyo on June 14, 2005, 07:32:19 PM
I have a L-03R with an iBeam and a Aria AC50 classical with a K&K Pure classical. I'm happy with both of them. I run them through a Para DI. The iBeam was easier to install - they give you a jim dandy jig. The K&K doesn't require a pre-amp, I just use the Para for the EQ power. I think either one is a good choice.

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: drathbun on June 15, 2005, 03:31:30 PM
Just for information, the iBeam active doesn't require a preamp either. The preamp is built in to the endjack.

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: bri on June 15, 2005, 03:49:28 PM
I just did a comparison of my M1 (thru PADI) vs. IBeam (active) in a DV-03 last night in the church PA. Both pick up body contact sounds (brushing on clothes, tapping on the top) about equally. The M1 seemed to have more even frequency response though not as 'real' sounding, maybe because the IBeam has a preset EQ curve.

The IBeam is more airy and mic-like. It picks up fingerpicking, palm-muting, and string impact more accurately. It gets slightly muddy and thumpy under heavy strumming. The M1 has a smooth sound when strumming with very little noise from any impacts on the strings via pick, muting etc.

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: JohnM2001 on June 15, 2005, 04:13:31 PM
I have a K&K mini in my L-01 and a Fishman Active Matrix in my OM-03W.  The K&K sounds much better, very natural, no quack.  The Fishman is OK, I find it sounds very good for playing lead, but the K&K sounds much better overall, just like your guitar acoustically, only louder, as many have said.  Before the K&K, I had a Markley Sweet Spot in my L-01, the sound didn't do too much for me.  In the end, I felt it sounded even more articificial than the Fishman, with more quack and plink, especially when played with a hard attack.  YMMV.

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: jambrose on June 25, 2005, 03:41:26 AM
I've got the Fishman Natural Type II in a D-03, use it for strumming and picking, sounds great. Use in in combination with the Blues Jr, and whether clean or dirty; get good, clear notes with the dread full voice.

Chasing a rabbit a little....I am real happy how this D-03 has just gotten a better and better voice just in a year. Play it a lot, and it booms, yet if picking has clear tones and sustains. This is one that took no fret work, no action adjustment or work to be in prime playing condition. It's one fiiiine guitar.

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: Calvin on June 29, 2005, 08:14:01 AM
magnetic pickups are pretty feedback resistant

I love the DiMarzio line, especially the Reference, but I know most people in the world hate it.  It's a very jazzy and dark sounding pickup, almost jazz guitar, awesome for rhythm and one line runs.

I dont like the Bagg's and K K stuff maybe because I dont really listen to Country.  But if you want a very acoustic zing when strummed, the Bagg's sound really good and is probably the one for you.

I've heard the fishman once online somewhere and I like it better than baggs's it's the clearest of all, great fundumentals.  Sounds a bit electric, but then so does the Dimarzio.

There are alot more out there Pickupthworld pickups are vibration sensors, and easy to install.

Anyway, eitherway dont forget to buy a preamp.  B-band combos are pretty cheap and good quality.

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: AcousTronic on June 29, 2005, 04:40:10 PM
don't like... K K stuff maybe because I dont really listen to Country. 

It's called the "Pure Western", but that doesn't mean it only sounds good if you play Country.

I recently installed the K&K Pure Western Mini in my D-03BW and LV-09 and can honestly say it's the best sounding pickup I've ever heard. Very woody and real sound, almost as good as a mic. Dieter from K&K does suggest a soundhole damper when playing with drums and bass in a live environment to cut the possibility of feedback though.

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: Calvin on June 30, 2005, 06:51:29 PM
Oh I agree it's a good pickup, just that it's more geared towards the Dyole Dykes, Chet kind of sound.  It's definitely one of the most natural sounding ones yes.  I was just saying it's kind of hard for me to be impartial because of the music I listen to. :GRN>

Title: Re: Pick Up Recommendation
Post by: HangFire on July 08, 2005, 06:08:07 AM
Hands down K&K one of the best sounding PUPs I've heard, got a Pure Western in my D-03BW that sounds incredible much better than the Fishman/Taylor combo;-)