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Title: Baritone
Post by: Jamolay on December 03, 2021, 12:40:31 AM
Any one playing a Larrivee baritone? I am interested in a 12 fret Baritone, and the only forum posts are 15 or more years old. Curious what anyone thinks. Thanks!


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Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: ducktrapper on December 03, 2021, 02:06:51 AM
I had a BT-03 (GoTM in Oct. 2012 or so) which I liked well enough but eventually sold because I hardly used it. I found that I rarely played it without a capo so now I just tune a dread down a step. Close enough. Definitely, for me, a niche instrument.   


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: Jamolay on December 03, 2021, 04:08:19 AM
Thanks! I will probably wait until I have more guitar experience. I love the idea of the baritone and love the sound, but maybe I put it in the “later if I learn to need it” file. I would not use words like “need”…”want” is more appropriate.


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Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: Mikeymac on December 03, 2021, 05:06:43 AM
Alvarez made a fairly inexpensive baritone a few years ago (might still?); maybe around $300-350 at MF or Sweetwater? It would be an inexpensive way to find out if you like the tone and will actually play one frequently...

Here you go: now $399 on Amazon. (https://www.amazon.com/Alvarez-ABT60-Artist-Series-Guitar/dp/B007I9IMCY/ref=asc_df_B007I9IMCY/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312176493563&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=7933308473106909343&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9019929&hvtargid=pla-594026773430&psc=1)


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: Jamolay on December 03, 2021, 01:37:49 PM
Good option! Thanks!

I do not need a new guitar, I do not need a new guitar, I do not need a new guitar…🤯


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Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: teh on December 03, 2021, 03:51:56 PM
Like Ducktrapper said, just tune a guitar down a Whole step.

That’s what I do with my D35 which has a more pronounced bass than a D18 or D28.

On the other end, I have my backpacker strung for Nashville Tuning plus my Larrivee Parlor capoed up to the 4th or 5th fret for treble notes. Don’t knock it til you try it.


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: markj on December 03, 2021, 04:18:06 PM
Like Ducktrapper said, just tune a guitar down a Whole step.

That’s what I do with my D35 which has a more pronounced bass than a D18 or D28.

On the other end, I have my backpacker strung for Nashville Tuning plus my Larrivee Parlor capoed up to the 4th or 5th fret for treble notes. Don’t knock it til you try it.

I have a set of Nashville Tuning strings but I have yet to try them. I was thinking the OO-40 would be the logical choice.


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: ducktrapper on December 03, 2021, 04:31:08 PM
Like teh, I generally use my D-35 tuned down a whole step. L-11 in standard, L-01 in Open G, D or DADGAD. I use my OM-01 for Nashville tuning. By the way, if you're going to fool around with high string tuning, you get two sets of strings in a 12 string package!   :beer


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: Mikeymac on December 03, 2021, 05:53:38 PM
If you want to really go for it with a standard guitar tuned down a whole step, you can order a set of

D'Addario EJ 18 Phosphor Bronze strings (https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EJ18--daddario-ej18-phosphor-bronze-heavy-acoustic-strings) so that they won't be floppy and loose. I've tried these and it works pretty well.


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: ducktrapper on December 03, 2021, 06:19:21 PM
If you want to really go for it with a standard guitar tuned down a whole step, you can order a set of

D'Addario EJ 18 Phosphor Bronze strings (https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/EJ18--daddario-ej18-phosphor-bronze-heavy-acoustic-strings) so that they won't be floppy and loose. I've tried these and it works pretty well.

I have a set of those in my string box. Those were the first strings I tried on the baritone. Also an EXP23 baritone set .016 to .070. Sold the bari, kept the strings.


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: mike in lytle on December 03, 2021, 06:26:31 PM
I don't have a baritone guitar, but I have played a couple Larrivees when they were available locally.
Baritones are very cool, maybe not worth the hassle as a solo instrument, but that is just me. The neck is just too long.
Where they could be most useful is playing along with a regular guitar but using different chord shapes.
Dropping the tuning on a regular guitar won't get you there, the closest I have come is open G tuning on a 12 string tuned down 1-1/2 steps playing along with a 6 string in standard tuning in key of E. Very nice sounding tuning combo. If one capoed up a step on the standard tuned guitar, one could then get to the 2-1/2 step relative difference between standard and baritone tunings, but I am not curious enough.
Mike


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: headsup on December 06, 2021, 12:05:40 AM
I had a lovely Larrivee Baritone, until a jaw dropping Oskar Graf 7 string in BZ came along.

The 7 string offers many cool possibilities, one]ce you get used to it,
BUT the coolest is, tuning the G string down to an F# and

VOILA!
 Baritone!

 the low B is a real killer!


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: mike in lytle on December 06, 2021, 01:17:21 AM
the low B is a real killer!
That's what I'm talking about!
Dang, you are making me want to go explore this now....
Mike


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: Denis on December 06, 2021, 06:11:14 PM
Had a BT-03 a while back like ducktrapper.  I used it for a few recordings.  It's fun but it's like a 12 string, you just kinda lose interest.  You can clearly hear it on this track.

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=kj2BoBTja8I&feature=share


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: ducktrapper on December 06, 2021, 06:34:52 PM
Had a BT-03 a while back like ducktrapper.  I used it for a few recordings.  It's fun but it's like a 12 string, you just kinda lose interest.  You can clearly hear it on this track.

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=kj2BoBTja8I&feature=share

Oh great! Thanks. Now I want my baritone back. Sounds great, by the way.   :arrow


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: mike in lytle on December 06, 2021, 07:01:07 PM
Had a BT-03 a while back like ducktrapper.  I used it for a few recordings.  It's fun but it's like a 12 string, you just kinda lose interest.  You can clearly hear it on this track.
https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=kj2BoBTja8I&feature=share
Great track, illustrates just how I think a baritone can be well used.
I think we would all be interested in hearing the other recordings.
The one and only time I played a baritone along with someone was at Guitar Tex and I was fingerpicking the Larrivee baritone and John Ramirez grabbed another Larrivee and started picking along, probably the most fun 10 minutes I ever had there.
Mike


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: Queequeg on December 08, 2021, 06:02:13 PM
I've had a baritone for a number of years now. It's great for somethings; not so great for others.
I always thought a baritone was better for single string and triads than for strumming, but that's just me.

Here's a short sample (https://drive.google.com/file/d/19ejE2E2Wr7tkBnb-oJ3F4zb2JSXVVcS9/view) I recorded this morning (as mike in lytle requested more recordings).


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: mike in lytle on December 08, 2021, 07:50:27 PM
I've had a baritone for a number of years now. It's great for somethings; not so great for others.
I always thought a baritone was better for single string and triads than for strumming, but that's just me.

Here's a short sample (https://drive.google.com/file/d/19ejE2E2Wr7tkBnb-oJ3F4zb2JSXVVcS9/view) I recorded this morning (as mike in lytle requested more recordings).
Pretty darn good for just whipping one off this morning. I like it. Thanks!
And it illustrates your point of using the B for single strings and picking.
Mike


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: mike in lytle on December 11, 2021, 12:53:30 PM
I've had a baritone for a number of years now. It's great for somethings; not so great for others.
I always thought a baritone was better for single string and triads than for strumming, but that's just me.
If I may ask, what brand of baritone is it?
Mike


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: ducktrapper on December 11, 2021, 04:29:58 PM
Nice Mark. I have a recording with my baritone. I'll see if I'm techie enough to figure out how to post it. 


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: Queequeg on December 11, 2021, 09:36:49 PM
If I may ask, what brand of baritone is it?
Mike
OK, I'm totally busted, Mike. At some point, I evidently decided that I had to have another guitar; something or other. I can't even recall any more. So I sold the BT-03.
Shortly thereafter I regretted that decision, and determined to have the baritone again.
Sadly, Larrivee stopped production of baritones by that point.
I shopped around but couldn't find what I wanted.
You know, there's not a lot of baritones to choose from out there.

I knew that I didn't want Taylor's 8-string production model.
Then in early 2014, Taylor produced a limited run of 6-string 14-fret baritones. 320e SLTD (Spring Limited).
That's what I recorded Eleanor Rigby on.
Nice Mark. I have a recording with my baritone. I'll see if I'm techie enough to figure out how to post it. 
Thanks, Duck. Yeah, recording is always my biggest obstacle, too. Never learned what I should have learned long ago. (Now, there's an old refrain. Sing it again. Second verse, same as the first.)
Listening to Old Montreal Blues (https://www.reverbnation.com/thomaslee4/song/33029497-the-old-montreal-blues), now. Good song, as usual. The melancholy tone and lyrics puts me in mind of Tom Waits.  :thumb



Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: ducktrapper on December 11, 2021, 10:07:59 PM

Thanks, Duck. Yeah, recording is always my biggest obstacle, too. Never learned what I should have learned long ago. (Now, there's an old refrain. Sing it again. Second verse, same as the first.)
Listening to Old Montreal Blues (https://www.reverbnation.com/thomaslee4/song/33029497-the-old-montreal-blues), now. Good song, as usual. The melancholy tone and lyrics puts me in mind of Tom Waits.  :thumb



Good line and very apt. I may try it on for size. The song was recorded quickly on a little Roland Edirol. If I sounded a tenth a good as TW, I'd die happy but thanks!  :cheers



Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: rockstar_not on December 12, 2021, 05:30:42 AM
What didn’t you like about the Taylor 8 string? 


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: Queequeg on December 12, 2021, 05:08:25 PM
What didn’t you like about the Taylor 8 string?  
I thought that it wasn't right for me and the way I play, specifically: fingerpicking.
I struggle trying to fingerpick a course of strings. Sure, I know, Leo Kottke doesn't seem to have any trouble with this on his 12-string guitar.
It turns out, he's better than I am.  :bgrin:


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: ducktrapper on December 12, 2021, 05:22:01 PM
I thought that it wasn't right for me and the way I play, specifically: fingerpicking.
I struggle trying to fingerpick a course of strings. Sure, I know, Leo Kottke doesn't seem to have any trouble with this on his 12-string guitar.
It turns out, he's better than I am.  :bgrin:

I've come to the conclusion that guys like him cheat.   :laughin:


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: Mikeymac on December 12, 2021, 11:32:12 PM

I've come to the conclusion that guys like him cheat.   :laughin:


Or practice ad nauseum?  :rolleye:


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: Denis on December 13, 2021, 11:01:40 PM
Here's a couple videos I made 10 years ago...wow, I sold that guitar a long time ago!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgkCXvLPg4U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_imEhAwUBs



Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: mike in lytle on December 15, 2021, 10:16:48 PM
Here's a couple videos I made 10 years ago...wow, I sold that guitar a long time ago!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgkCXvLPg4U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_imEhAwUBs
Denis,
I apologize for the late reply.
These are excellent recordings.
Squish is like listening to the pipe organ in a cathedral.
Mike


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: Denis on December 17, 2021, 06:29:18 PM
Denis,
I apologize for the late reply.
These are excellent recordings.
Squish is like listening to the pipe organ in a cathedral.
Mike

Thanks Mike.  The guitar was pretty cool but like 12 strings, I lost interest after a little while.  If I had more room and more $, I'd still have it I'm sure.  Right now I'm waiting on a custom D40.  Having one made with a 1 3/4" nut


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: rockstar_not on December 22, 2021, 07:59:53 PM
I thought that it wasn't right for me and the way I play, specifically: fingerpicking.
I struggle trying to fingerpick a course of strings. Sure, I know, Leo Kottke doesn't seem to have any trouble with this on his 12-string guitar.
It turns out, he's better than I am.  :bgrin:

I can appreciate that. I only tried one for about 20 minutes at Gruhn. Using a pick. I found the extra flavor on just a couple of strings really interesting. It might just have turned out to be a novelty, but I really enjoyed it way more than I expected.l


Title: Re: Baritone
Post by: AZLiberty on January 13, 2022, 07:34:21 PM
I love Larrivee but a Larrivee baritone would be a lot of money for a guitar I only play occasionally.


I figure I play:
85% 6-string
10% 12%
5% Baritone.

I picked up one of the Alvarez Artist series baritones a couple years ago on the Musician's Friend Stupid Deal of the Day.  I like it a lot, but I only use it for a few songs.

Like all Artist series, the Baritone is solid top with laminate back/sides.  Guild makes a similar instrument now as well.