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Title: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 08, 2021, 03:22:39 AM
A couple days ago John Jr. asked if there was any interest in doing something exclusive for Forum members, as it has been awhile.
Immediately my mind jumped to the idea of doing another run of the Forum III.
The thread had moderate interest.
So I am starting this to gauge interest in another run of the Forum III guitar (LS-03, with options).
I like the idea, and quite a bit of old history is available via the sticked post at...
http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=45711.0
Mike


Title: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 08, 2021, 03:11:27 PM
To give an idea of the original Forum III baseline, please see the following...
http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=24123

In a (large) nutshell, it describes what the group decided on back then.
I include the following quote, which is the concept around which the entire effort was centered:
"The Forum Guitar III is your opportunity to own an out-of-production Larrivee guitar."

If we do a current effort, we will need a new dealer and if we have interest I can talk to our local Larrivee dealer to support this.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: gtrplayer on May 08, 2021, 05:18:56 PM
I might like another Forum III in a different wood maybe koa with a cutaway.   I was in on the original Forum III, still have it, Italian spruce over hog with cutaway.  Nice guitar! :nice guitar:


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on May 08, 2021, 09:17:51 PM
It might help to get clarity from John Jr. (or a Larrivee dealer) how much variation there could be on the instrument's specs... we've already got people mentioning several different top, back & sides woods, along with at least two folks asking for a cutaway.

I suspect that, to get this project rolling and to keep costs reasonable (and that's a different number for everyone!), either there will have to be a LOT of orders (which I don't see happening at this point) or very limited variations in the specs...


 :donut :coffee



Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on May 08, 2021, 09:23:33 PM
SO... as a follow up to my last post, here's what I'd be open to (please chime in with your own list, and maybe we can come to some consensus)

Body size: I'd like to stick with the LS body (that seems to be popular at this point); no cutaway for me, thanks.

Top wood: I'm open to any spruce variation

Back & Sides: I'm open on this, too, including Walnut and Maple, but probably not Koa (which WILL raise the price)

Trim level: 03 Series is fine, and probably the only one financially feasible for most of us

Other: like tuners, etc. no preference; no pickup necessary - aftermarket gives us personal preference options


 :coffee :donut


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 08, 2021, 10:19:39 PM
It might help to get clarity from John Jr. (or a Larrivee dealer) how much variation there could be on the instrument's specs... we've already got people mentioning several different top, back & sides woods, along with at least two folks asking for a cutaway.
I get it. But we are way too early to present anything to Larrivee or a dealer.
The original Forum III had two tops (italian spruce and hog) and two bodies (hog and RW).
Plus an option for the venetian cutaway (which cost more).

I am keeping a spreadsheet now, and I will only add to it for folks that post in THIS thread.
This will keep track of "who, and who wants "what".
You are number three.
We are only gauging interest here.
I think once we get to maybe 15 folks, we can talk to Larrivee and look for a dealer.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: Strings4Him on May 08, 2021, 11:30:55 PM
I have an interest.  Thanks Mike.


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Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 09, 2021, 12:40:18 AM
I have an interest.  Thanks Mike.
Please provide more info so I can add you to the spreadsheet.
Top wood, back and sides, RH or LH, basic stuff for now.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: Strings4Him on May 09, 2021, 12:56:12 AM
Please provide more info so I can add you to the spreadsheet.
Top wood, back and sides, RH or LH, basic stuff for now.
Mike
Spruce top with walnut b&s, RH.  I am also open to other woods for top and b&s.  Thanks.


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Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 09, 2021, 01:30:13 AM
Spruce top with walnut b&s, RH.  I am also open to other woods for top and b&s.  Thanks.
Got it! More detailed questions will be for later.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: jazzereh on May 09, 2021, 12:11:58 PM
I am torn on this.  But I'll note my interest as a YES

If I were to go on this I'm good with the LS 03 specs, RH, no cutaway.  B&S walnut [I need something different than what I have] and while I'd go for a spruce top, it would be good to have another choice and I'd prefer satin finish.  12 fret would be best. And, no electronics.

Here's my dilemma - I've been looking for another Larrivee but I focus on builds done in Canada, so a used guitar at this point - all my guitars, Larrivee and others, are Canadian builds.  If I were to go with this as a new build, not done in Canada, it would need to be something that really appealed to me.


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 09, 2021, 02:10:31 PM
I am torn on this.  But I'll note my interest as a YES

If I were to go on this I'm good with the LS 03 specs, RH, no cutaway.  B&S walnut [I need something different than what I have] and while I'd go for a spruce top, it would be good to have another choice and I'd prefer satin finish.  12 fret would be best. And, no electronics.

Here's my dilemma - I've been looking for another Larrivee but I focus on builds done in Canada, so a used guitar at this point - all my guitars, Larrivee and others, are Canadian builds.  If I were to go with this as a new build, not done in Canada, it would need to be something that really appealed to me.
I understand. It's difficult to change one's preferences, which are all valid.
That being said, the Forum III was a Vancouver build, and though the newer one would be updated (I am assuming, with the 16" fretboard radius, and updated truss rod access), I think of the newer Forum III as continuation of a legacy.
I have added you to the spreadsheet
Mike


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: jazzereh on May 09, 2021, 03:03:31 PM
"continuation of a legacy"   I like that

The Forum 3 and 4 all mahogany are ones that I've been looking for so maybe that works.    :wink:


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 09, 2021, 05:00:45 PM
"continuation of a legacy"   I like that
The Forum 3 and 4 all mahogany are ones that I've been looking for so maybe that works.    :wink:
Ok, that is cool. I updated you to all hog on the spreadsheet.
Minds can always change, and we are committed to nothing just now.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: Will V. on May 09, 2021, 06:11:12 PM
Just to reiterate/refine what I posted in the other thread.

Yes, I am interested in a Forum guitar. My .02, the idea is to produce an uncommon guitar of moderate cost:

  • LS or OM body
  • Venetian cutaway or at least the option
  • Spruce top
  • Maple back and sides, unfigured if it helps keep cost down!
  • Satin finish, or gloss top with satin back and sides
  • Minimal or no abalone
  • Perhaps a Forum guitar specific inlay on the headstock, but something modest
  • Clear pickguard!



Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 09, 2021, 07:16:58 PM
Just to reiterate/refine what I posted in the other thread.

Yes, I am interested in a Forum guitar. My .02, the idea is to produce an uncommon guitar of moderate cost:

  • LS or OM body
  • Venetian cutaway or at least the option
  • Spruce top
  • Maple back and sides, unfigured if it helps keep cost down!
  • Satin finish, or gloss top with satin back and sides
  • Minimal or no abalone
  • Perhaps a Forum guitar specific inlay on the headstock, but something modest
  • Clear pickguard!
Will,
Good clear preferences.
The original Forum III were shipped with pick guards not attached. I believe they were supplied with clear and tortoise.
Also, the Forum III was adorned with 3 microdots at the 12th fret, no other fret markers, besides those on the neck binding. There was a lot of discussion about how to visibly make the Forum III unique. When (by Tuffy, I think) the 3 microdot fret marker was proposed, it was like "yeah, that is really cool". I would hope we could continue the 3 dot marker on the new ones.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: Bard on May 09, 2021, 10:40:09 PM
Do we really need another thread for this? How about we see what John Jr. has in mind?
Although, I appreciate the enthusiasm!


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: mattwood on May 10, 2021, 01:20:37 AM
I'm interested depending on what the tonewoods end up being.  A 12 fret would be a definite plus and 03 trim level is fine by me.  I'm assuming that the back and sides would be different than before, so walnut or maple seems interesting, but I'm wondering if there are others that might work and not be overly expensive.  I wonder if the 40 series bracing is possible as well.


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 10, 2021, 02:57:09 AM
Do we really need another thread for this? How about we see what John Jr. has in mind?
Although, I appreciate the enthusiasm!
John did not have any particular thing in mind. He may have thought originally about something simple, like a t-shirt, and may have been surprised by my suggestion to do a new version of the Forum III. His response to me (am I going off base??) was Larrivee would support what we might suggest, and if that was just a tee shirt, cool.
John invited us to stay in touch about whatever the group decides.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 10, 2021, 03:28:51 AM
I'm interested depending on what the tonewoods end up being.  A 12 fret would be a definite plus and 03 trim level is fine by me.  I'm assuming that the back and sides would be different than before, so walnut or maple seems interesting, but I'm wondering if there are others that might work and not be overly expensive.  I wonder if the 40 series bracing is possible as well.
Matt,
I can add your comments to the spreadsheet, 12 fret and -03 trim are pretty much given. Your tonewood selection will go down as walnut or maple.
You can revise this later of course.
40-series stuff is out.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: Bard on May 10, 2021, 04:42:14 AM
John did not have any particular thing in mind. He may have thought originally about something simple, like a t-shirt, and may have been surprised by my suggestion to do a new version of the Forum III. His response to me (am I going off base??) was Larrivee would support what we might suggest, and if that was just a tee shirt, cool.
John invited us to stay in touch about whatever the group decides.
Mike

Ok. Cool. Carry on! I'm on board.


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 10, 2021, 05:05:30 AM
Ok. Cool. Carry on! I'm on board.
Alright, it might help if you were to look at the original LS Forum III and indicate some preferences.
Previous posts in this thread may help. The original Forum III discussions (back in 2009) ran hundreds of pages in the forum.
Also, the first couple posts in this thread will give you tons of background if you go there and read.
This newer Forum III will be determined by group input, including yours, if you end up participating.
We can answer any questions or concerns and provide any additional input you need (by "we" I kind of mean "me" at this point, no one else is currently pushing this).
Thanks!
Mike


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 10, 2021, 05:39:06 AM
I should mention..... I joined this forum in 2011, which by that time the Forum III was already a done deal and delivered. What I know about is is reading the old posts (thousands!) and having played Danny's Forum III #1 on a visit up to Austin awhile back. Danny was one of the several hard-core drivers of the original Forum III effort.
This is a worthwhile endeavor.
I also was given a green light to mention this on the Larrivee Facebook group (by a moderator of the FB group). Haven't done so yet, but I know that there are several forum members who pop up there sometimes, and I have looked up old Forum III posts on the FB page (not a lot). The cross-pollination might help.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on May 10, 2021, 05:04:02 PM
John invited us to stay in touch about whatever the group decides.
Mike

Emphasis on "whatever the group decides."

This is your Forum and fortunately has JCL & sons blessings; its your Forum. Forum Guitars are a lot of work to organize and at times can feel like herding cats but have fun with it and keep it cordial and realistic  :cheers


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on May 10, 2021, 08:16:23 PM
I've seen two attempts at organizing a new forum guitar in the past few years. Both sputtered out, one due to lack of interest, the other because people just couldn't agree. With customs easily available now, not a lot of people want to compromise anything. I'd ask John if there's anything they can do make this special. Being a forum guitar, maybe they're willing to do something for us.

FWIW, I think starting out by calling it a Forum III version 2 might not be the best step. I'd recommend making it it's own thing. Something new that people can get hyped about.


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 10, 2021, 09:22:32 PM
I've seen two attempts at organizing a new forum guitar in the past few years. Both sputtered out, one due to lack of interest, the other because people just couldn't agree. With customs easily available now, not a lot of people want to compromise anything. I'd ask John if there's anything they can do make this special. Being a forum guitar, maybe they're willing to do something for us.

FWIW, I think starting out by calling it a Forum III version 2 might not be the best step. I'd recommend making it it's own thing. Something new that people can get hyped about.
Great points. The term was used to describe the proposed guitar in a simple way. The idea is another run of the Forum III (an LS-03), possibly with new woods. That concept consolidates a LOT of ideas. The group can decide what to call it. We can start that discussion anytime. For me, it's another column in the spreadsheet.
I am already hyped, but not to the point of forcing the idea on anyone.
Looking forward to what your preferences might be, if you have interest.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on May 11, 2021, 06:01:39 PM
Yeah, I think it should be called whichever number is next in the Forum guitars nomenclature, so Forum VI or Forum VII, whichever is correct.

I'll focus in my preferences here for the sake of the spreadsheet:

LS 12-fret 03 Series as suggested
Any Spruce top (although Alpine would be nice if not too pricey)
Maple B&S
With that B&S choice, I'd suggest Rosewood or some other dark wood for the body binding, and maybe even for the fretboard binding...
I like the 3 microdots at the 12 fret idea
No pickguard (or throw it in the case)

Mine will be a lefty, of course. Thank you!

 :coffee :donut :coffee :donut2


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on May 11, 2021, 06:04:52 PM
P.S. For those interested in a 12 fret with cutaway, I'd suggest getting a C-03TE Tommy Emmanuel Signature guitar; they're very nice, sound great and feel very good with that 12 fret neck.

If the Florentine (sharp/pointed) cutaway bothers you, I'd just say - give it time, it will grow on you. No one ever poo-pooed a Gibson ES-175 for its sharp cutaway!


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 11, 2021, 07:30:23 PM
Yeah, I think it should be called whichever number is next in the Forum guitars nomenclature, so Forum VI or Forum VII, whichever is correct.

I'll focus in my preferences here for the sake of the spreadsheet:

LS 12-fret 03 Series as suggested
Any Spruce top (although Alpine would be nice if not too pricey)
Maple B&S
With that B&S choice, I'd suggest Rosewood or some other dark wood for the body binding, and maybe even for the fretboard binding...
I like the 3 microdots at the 12 fret idea
No pickguard (or throw it in the case)
Mine will be a lefty, of course. Thank you!
 :coffee :donut :coffee :donut2

Got it.
I agree it will be the next Forum in the series, which would Forum VII.
I feel safe in saying we would specify no pickguard installed, but supply one, or both clear and tortoise.
The 3 microdots is a nod towards legacy, however other suggestions are welcome.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum III version 2, any interest?
Post by: J M Larrivée on May 11, 2021, 08:44:42 PM


  This is great to see the VII getting some traction. Thank you Mike for spearheading this project. I will check in on this, and the other thread, periodically. Mike knows how to reach me if you need answers to any questions. If you make it to the start line and ready to pull the trigger, I will take it from there. In the meantime, have fun trying to decide what you all want :wink:  :donut :coffee


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 11, 2021, 08:54:12 PM

  This is great to see the VII getting some traction. Thank you Mike for spearheading this project. I will check in on this, and the other thread, periodically. Mike knows how to reach me if you need answers to any questions. If you make it to the start line and ready to pull the trigger, I will take it from there. In the meantime, have fun trying to decide what you all want :wink:  :donut :coffee
I changed the title of the thread, however, I cannot make universal changes on all posts so it will probably cause confusion.
Confusion is good.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Queequeg on May 11, 2021, 09:57:36 PM
I've stayed out of this because I suspect my interests would be so far out of the mainstream as to never standing a chance, but iffin I was to buy me another guitar it would have to be something that I do not have today. And I got a few guitars scattered hither and yon.
OK, here goes (nothing).

I could like the LS 12 fret.
It would have to be a cut though for a 12 fret. I use all them things.
And short scale, too.
And bring back the aluminum microdots.
How about a black or wooden heel plate. (I do not like the ivoriod heel plates.)
Finally, and this is no doubt the biggest and baddest deal breaker: cedar and rose.

OK, I know I'll never see this guitar get built, but at least I receive my Also Ran certificate for participating. :humour:


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 12, 2021, 01:59:13 AM
I've stayed out of this because I suspect my interests would be so far out of the mainstream as to never standing a chance, but iffin I was to buy me another guitar it would have to be something that I do not have today. And I got a few guitars scattered hither and yon.
OK, here goes (nothing).

I could like the LS 12 fret.
It would have to be a cut though for a 12 fret. I use all them things.
And short scale, too.
And bring back the aluminum microdots.
How about a black or wooden heel plate. (I do not like the ivoriod heel plates.)
Finally, and this is no doubt the biggest and baddest deal breaker: cedar and rose.

OK, I know I'll never see this guitar get built, but at least I receive my Also Ran certificate for participating. :humour:
Ok, I added your stuff to the spreadsheet, and added a column for "scale".
FWIW, the most recent Larrivees I have have a maple heel plate to match the maple binding. Hopefully, Larrivee is out of the ivoroid business. And I am going to assume the heel plate will match the binding. We will be able to make sure of this before we reach the starting line.
Microdots, are you ok with the 3 dots at the 12th? (I like micros better than full dots anyhow).
Look, the way this ends up I might not be able to get the guitar I prefer myself. Who knows.
Much more discussion will ensue.
We might have to ask Larrivee to provide "Also Ran.... Forum VII" tee shirts.
And I have eight Larrivee acoustics, so I relate.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VII (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 12, 2021, 02:57:51 AM
Just so everyone knows, I posted to the Larrivee Guitar Owners Facebook page about the Forum VII.
I think inviting other Larrivee enthusiasts to the effort is a good thing.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VII (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on May 12, 2021, 03:10:09 AM
Just so everyone knows, I posted to the Larrivee Guitar Owners Facebook page about the Forum VII.
I think inviting other Larrivee enthusiasts to the effort is a good thing.
Mike
Definitely a good idea. Many people check in occasionally, so they wouldn't be aware of the new effort. If anyone knows another way to reach out to semi active members please do share.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Paraclete on May 12, 2021, 06:30:47 AM
Interested, but it will depend on cost.  I don’t have a lot of expendable income for fun stuff.  

LS, possibly 12 fret
I’m amused by the idea of cedar top, rosewood b/s (what can I say...I’m a classical geek!)


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: musicrowscott on May 12, 2021, 12:27:09 PM
I love this idea, count me in! My ideal preferences are:

LS no cutaway
Maple B&S
12 Fret
Spruce Top (Alpine would be great!)
Rosewood or other dark wood binding
Clear pickguard

Looking forward to this gaining momentum, it's fun to talk about anyway, right?

Cheers,


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on May 12, 2021, 03:19:28 PM
Yeah, I think it should be called whichever number is next in the Forum guitars nomenclature, so Forum VI or Forum VII, whichever is correct.



  This is great to see the VII getting some traction.

Just so everyone knows, I posted to the Larrivee Guitar Owners Facebook page about the Forum VII.
I think inviting other Larrivee enthusiasts to the effort is a good thing.
Mike

FWIW the last Forum Guitar was the Forum V - an RS4 Electric. Following suite the next Forum Guitar ought to be the Forum VI...... twice the Forum III   :winkin:

I have modified the Subject titles to lessen the confusion


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 12, 2021, 03:23:54 PM
I love this idea, count me in! My ideal preferences are:

LS no cutaway
Maple B&S
12 Fret
Spruce Top (Alpine would be great!)
Rosewood or other dark wood binding
Clear pickguard.
Looking forward to this gaining momentum, it's fun to talk about anyway, right?
Cheers,

Scott, thanks for the input, and the optimism!
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 12, 2021, 03:45:43 PM
FWIW the last Forum Guitar was the Forum V - an RS4 Electric. Following suite the next Forum Guitar ought to be the Forum VI...... twice the Forum III   :winkin:
I have modified the Subject titles to lessen the confusion
The last forum guitar was the failed VI, a 00v-03 MT guitar that was discussed back in 2012 and 2013.
The name VI has already been used, and though the effort fell short, the threads are all here, the discussions recorded, the specs known, the potential dealer identified.
We cannot erase that history. The Forum VI was an idea that failed to make it to production. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
In addition, the Forum VI is documented on the wiki site. You can't make that go away.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on May 12, 2021, 03:55:58 PM
The last forum guitar was the failed VI, a 00v-03 MT guitar that was discussed back in 2012 and 2013.
The name VI has already been used, and though the effort fell short, the threads are all here, the discussions recorded, the specs known, the potential dealer identified.
We cannot erase that history. The Forum VI was an idea that failed to make it to production. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
In addition, the Forum VI is documented on the wiki site. You can't make that go away.
Mike
Well that's one interpretation - however the generally accepted interpretation would name to  a guitar actually built - not a thread started looking for interest. There have been more than one "failed" attempts at generating Forum Guitars between some of the ones actually built and also subsequent (like this one) to Forum V. As an example I believe there were two or three between IV and V before the V was actually brought to fruition.

Wiki is wrong - it should go away.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on May 12, 2021, 04:49:33 PM
Wait, what??  :?
I didn't know about the 6 never coming into existence. Admittedly, math was never my best subject. But, I'm certain 6 comes after 5. How is this being called 7 if there is no Forum 6? That would look really awkward to an outside observer. Were we talking about a concept like literature, art, etc, there's room for that. But, this is strictly a product. Apologies again for sticking my nose in this, it's the management side of me coming out, but if there is no actual Forum 6 in existence, this would naturally be #6.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 12, 2021, 05:11:46 PM
Wait, what??  :?
I didn't know about the 6 never coming into existence. Admittedly, math was never my best subject. But, I'm certain 6 comes after 5. How is this being called 7 if there is no Forum 6? That would look really awkward to an outside observer. Were we talking about a concept like literature, art, etc, there's room for that. But, this is strictly a product. Apologies again for sticking my nose in this, it's the management side of me coming out, but if there is no actual Forum 6 in existence, this would naturally be #6.
Well that's one interpretation - however the generally accepted interpretation would name to  a guitar actually built - not a thread started looking for interest. There have been more than one "failed" attempts at generating Forum Guitars between some of the ones actually built and also subsequent (like this one) to Forum V. As an example I believe there were two or three between IV and V before the V was actually brought to fruition.

Wiki is wrong - it should go away.
I'm good with it. You supported your position. I am happy with VI.
And you guys know more about past efforts than I do.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on May 12, 2021, 10:19:41 PM
Good to see a few more folks expressing interest in a Maple-bodied LS!

Also - I'm open to short scale - I can go either way on the scale length.

 :thumb


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: teh on May 13, 2021, 01:52:09 AM
I’m cool with an LS BODY without a cutaway and 12 fret

I prefer a slot head which will scare some people off but I could live with a solid headstock. Since I have a maple parlor, I would prefer an All mahogany or walnut back/sides under spruce.  Leave the clear pickguard off of mine. I’ll take black or tortoise guard and binding.

It would also be cool to inlay the Roman numeral VII at the 12th fret. Again, this may scare some off but not me and it would denote this guitar in a special way and be worth paying for.

I am retiring in March 2022 and I’ll weigh this against other options instead of a gold watch.



Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 13, 2021, 02:36:23 AM
I’m cool with an LS BODY without a cutaway and 12 fret

I prefer a slot head which will scare some people off but I could live with a solid headstock. Since I have a maple parlor, I would prefer an All mahogany or walnut back/sides under spruce.  Leave the clear pickguard off of mine. I’ll take black or tortoise guard and binding.

It would also be cool to inlay the Roman numeral VII at the 12th fret. Again, this may scare some off but not me and it would denote this guitar in a special way and be worth paying for.

I am retiring in March 2022 and I’ll weigh this against other options instead of a gold watch.
Got it. And wrote in the spreadsheet.
You may have other opportunities to add/change.
Gold watch? I guess your primary interest may not be affordability (just kidding). Maybe you can get both.
One of my oldest friends got himself a Martin D-41 for his retirement gift to himself.
I wish you well between now and then!
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 13, 2021, 05:41:15 PM
Good to see a few more folks expressing interest in a Maple-bodied LS!

I asked John about the maple, cause it is listed "at market price" in the custom pricing sheet and that caused me concern.
Here is the reply and I take the liberty of quoting John directly.....
"There is a maple shortage now believe it or not. COVID shutdowns at mill combined with the fact cutting maple onto backs & sides for guitars is not as profitable as making other things. I would not advise maple to be the VI option."

Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Rockysdad on May 13, 2021, 06:01:53 PM
I asked John about the maple, cause it is listed "at market price" in the custom pricing sheet and that caused me concern.
Here is the reply and I take the liberty of quoting John directly.....
"There is a maple shortage now believe it or not. COVID shutdowns at mill combined with the fact cutting maple onto backs & sides for guitars is not as profitable as making other things. I would not advise maple to be the VI option."

Mike

Oh, ........ does that mean my L body Sitka/Flamed Maple Custom shop is worth MORE ????  :roll :guitar
I'd like to get involved in this venture providing I could afford it, Walnut back would be my choice, already have Rosewood, Mahogany & Maple.
Also, thought it interesting about using a roman numeral VII ( or whatever this issue would be) had thought the same myself.
We need to get together sometime Mike.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 13, 2021, 06:29:53 PM
After I received the reply from John about maple (not advised), I went back to my thoughts about the tonewoods and other options.
I have the custom pricing list and Larrivee has MSRP pricing on the website, and dealer MAP pricing is easy to get, so it really isn't tough to ballpark a guitar price, before Larrivee and a potential dealer do their magic.
My gut originally told we could possibly get this Forum guitar done for about the same as a dealer price on a plain-jane OM-03 or L-03 (priced the same) whether in mahogany or rosewood (or walnut). I still feel that way. The cutaway would be an extra expense.
Inlays have been mentioned a couple times, what we might could do is get an inlayed bridge. The Deluxe (the top one in the pic) has the same pattern that is used on the Larrivee Forum index page, and is the standard 10 series bridge. It just screams "Forum guitar", and along with the 3-dot 12th fret marker, might be a good option to differentiate the Forum III vs VI.

Now, I have not played a walnut Larrivee, but maybe someone here can describe the sound of walnut vs rosewood.
That's it for now.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 13, 2021, 09:02:08 PM
Oh, ........ does that mean my L body Sitka/Flamed Maple Custom shop is worth MORE ????  :roll :guitar
I'd like to get involved in this venture providing I could afford it, Walnut back would be my choice, already have Rosewood, Mahogany & Maple.
Also, thought it interesting about using a roman numeral VII ( or whatever this issue would be) had thought the same myself.
We need to get together sometime Mike.
Herman,
Your custom may well be worth a nice price as scarcity drives prices and maple is very popular.
Pretty sure you don't want to test the waters on that tho!
I have added your info to the sheet, spruce/walnut, just determining interest and keeping the conversation going.
Yes, we are due for a visit. It will happen.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Hooked on May 14, 2021, 12:46:03 AM
I'd be interested, spruce/rosewood.

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Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 14, 2021, 02:33:39 AM
I'd be interested, spruce/rosewood.
Hey Lou,
Nice OM-40. Still jealous over the Larrivee stein. Unobtainium.
I hope things are going well with you.
Thanks for your interest in the hopefully new Forum guitar, and I have added your info.
Gonna see where it goes. Hopefully, all the way!
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on May 14, 2021, 06:41:20 AM
Now, I have not played a walnut Larrivee, but maybe someone here can describe the sound of walnut vs rosewood.

 Walnut can vary as there are several types with varying densities and different parts of the tree can be used for a variety of visual effects. But, let's say we're talking about the straight-grained Peruvian Walnut Larrivee uses compared to the East Indian Rosewood, which is really the only affordable rosewood right now.
EIR tends to be on the darker side, tonally. It produces a lot of harmonic overtones in the upper-bass and low-midrange, so it creates what most hear as a "warm" tone. As you add warmth, there can be a perceived loss of clarity for some users as the high frequencies take a back seat. This is magnified with bigger instruments. Some describe the dense midrange overtones as sounding 'metallic' because they are essentially reproducing the midrange frequencies in different orders, making them more dense and complex. Generally speaking, it's considered to be a warm and complex sound. The L is a mid-sized guitar but LS, being more compact, isn't one that's particularly susceptible to sounding "muddy" from rosewood. So, I consider it a good choice when it comes to versatility here.

 Walnut is often described as a blend of rosewood and mahogany, but I think that's a cheap way of explaining it's tone. Walnut is somewhat 'dry' in the midrange, meaning it doesn't stack overtones in that region like rosewood does. There's an immediacy to walnut that is very satisfying to the player. A 'touch response' that feels great to both fingers and pick. I think this would play well with LS design. Notes are very well-defined and tight, without lacking body. Maple fans would likely appreciate this quality of walnut. Walnut is not devoid of overtones though. The high frequencies have a distinct 'sparkle' that's reminiscent of Koa, but higher in frequency, more like Brazilian rosewood's high frequency qualities. The tight mids and bass with a high frequency sparkle gives an energetic feel. This is why walnut is probably my favorite tonewood, along side Brazilian rosewood.

 I found it interesting that there were a few votes for maple. I like it and think it can be an excellent back wood. Maple is probably the most 'dry' of the common tone woods. It doesn't really have much of a sound in and of itself as it's not adding significant overtones. It's very good for dampening overtones and allowing the fundamentals to speak more clearly. Nice in larger instruments, or for getting a more fundamental, 'bluesy'/traditional sound out of smaller ones. The issues with Maple is that they are slower to sell, and everyone wants the curly maple, which is much more expensive. For Larrivee to come up with a few dozen curly maple backs that are equal in quality would probably be either difficult, or expensive, or both.

 I'd be remiss to discuss back woods without mentioning tops, as they are far more impactful than the back. Sitka balances out EIR well as Sitka is dry in the mids, responsive, and has a high frequency peak that ensures you always get clarity. This is why it's such a popular combo, though it might seem a bit boring for a special build since this wood pairing is so prevalent. European (Alpine, Moon, etc) spruce is heavier in overtones. You can sometimes end up with a darker/warmer sounding instrument with EIR and Euro spruce, depending on the samples and the build. Walnut works extremely well with the more colorful sounding spruces as it's essentially projecting back what you feed it, with a little enhancement in the highs. Walnut and Sitka have some qualities in common and the walnut/sitka L-body I had featured a distinct crispness and high frequency clarity to it. Walnut and Red/Adirondack spruce together have an amazing energy and clarity, with just the right amount of color.  

 In choosing woods, I'd decide what purpose this instrument has and go from there. With an LS 12-fret, you're working with a mid-sized guitar (neutral) that is a 12-fret (warm) but compact in depth (dry) so there are several factors coming into play there. In terms of direction, you can play to the LS form and go with more dry sounding woods. Or, play to the 12 fret aspect and go with warmer sounding woods that offer more overtones. Either way, you have balances in place (the 12 fret design and the LS depth) that should help keep it a reasonably versatile instrument. Going short-scale is somewhat dicey as the results are less predictable and there's not much you can do to compensate (strings, set-up, etc) for someone who doesn't like a short-scale on a mid-sized guitar. It's never going to have the tight, responsive feel of a standard scale. Doesn't mean it won't be nice, but for a group buy it seems a little risky.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: AZLiberty on May 14, 2021, 07:04:14 AM
We have not done a Walnut Forum Guitar before.
We have not done a cedar top, or Engelmann top before either.

Jean hates cedar though, which is a shame, because a Cedar/Walnut  LS would be right up my alley.

Hmmn....  we haven't done a 12-string either, though I suspect interest would be low.


My biggest issue with my Forum-III was the lack of overtones, for which I mostly blame the European Spruce top.


Edit to add:  I despise the Martin style pickguards, and would want a clear PG or no PG.  Put the pepperoni monstrosity in the case like the Forum-III would please most folks.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: jpmist on May 15, 2021, 12:04:05 AM
I've been reluctant to pipe up because I'm in reverse GAS mode right now. Had this idea come up 4-5 years ago I'd have been up for it, but in the last few years I've tried out several LS and different woods OO's and have decided to settle in on just two of the seven acoustics (yikes!) I have now.

As a form of apology I offer this chart from Breedlove on body woods. It may or may not be accurate but it's from Breedlove so . . .

One of the guitars I binged is a Spruce/Rosewood OO-40 and I am really enjoying it's lush sound. It's a pretty far distance from Maple and Walnut so I'd be out on those, and I'd rule out Koa and Lacewood as well. I've unsuccessfully tried out the LS 12 fret body size as they sound less focused to my poor ears and if it comes down to a Spruce/Rosewood Forum VII in an OO, well, I already have one . . . Maybe an Italian Spruce/Ebony OO would be interesting? As a slothead that just might make me slap down the amex.

Sorry to be a bummer, but best of luck to you guys!

PS Kudos' to Bowie for that recent amazing post above- I actually understood and agreed with his tone descriptions which is a tremendously hard thing to communicate. :+1:

(https://i.imgur.com/uXQs8GF.jpg)


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 15, 2021, 01:43:18 AM
I've been reluctant to pipe up because I'm in reverse GAS mode right now. Had this idea come up 4-5 years ago I'd have been up for it, but in the last few years I've tried out several LS and different woods OO's and have decided to settle in on just two of the seven acoustics (yikes!) I have now.

As a form of apology I offer this chart from Breedlove on body woods. It may or may not be accurate but it's from Breedlove so . . .

One of the guitars I binged is a Spruce/Rosewood OO-40 and I am really enjoying it's lush sound. It's a pretty far distance from Maple and Walnut so I'd be out on those, and I'd rule out Koa and Lacewood as well. I've unsuccessfully tried out the LS 12 fret body size as they sound less focused to my poor ears and if it comes down to a Spruce/Rosewood Forum VII in an OO, well, I already have one . . . Maybe an Italian Spruce/Ebony OO would be interesting? As a slothead that just might make me slap down the amex.
Sorry to be a bummer, but best of luck to you guys!
PS Kudos' to Bowie for that recent amazing post above- I actually understood and agreed with his tone descriptions which is a tremendously hard thing to communicate.
John,
Thanks for the chart. It adds to what I have been looking up today.
Agree, Bowie's post was great. Am not going to respond to it just now. Good stuff tho.
I guess I could ask you to confirm, but looks pretty clear you have no interest in the current effort.
Mike
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on May 15, 2021, 11:50:55 AM
This has had my interest and every time I read a new post or three I slip closer to the edge. Although I'd be more inclined towards a small bodied 000-60, as my Reverb searches would tell, I'd at least be interested in considering a forum VI. 12 fret, no scale preference at this point, slotted head stock perhaps, spruce on EIR. Maybe 50/50 at this point in all fairness.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 15, 2021, 03:05:48 PM
This has had my interest and every time I read a new post or three I slip closer to the edge. Although I'd be more inclined towards a small bodied 000-60, as my Reverb searches would tell, I'd at least be interested in considering a forum VI. 12 fret, no scale preference at this point, slotted head stock perhaps, spruce on EIR. Maybe 50/50 at this point in all fairness.
I have added your info.
Probably a good time to mention that my original thought was another run of the Forum III, which would be updated with the 16 inch fretboard radius, the easier truss rod access, and a modified bridge plate to facilitate the installation of the Pure Mini pickup. I'm still focused on that concept, although maybe I incautiously mentioned that if we were to have two tonewoods for the body of the guitar, maybe we could look at something besides EIR. But that was personal opinion is all.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: ST on May 15, 2021, 03:13:55 PM
Hi, all.

I updated the wiki page (https://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Forum_Guitars) to clearly indicate there was a discussion of a Forum VI guitar but no Forum VI series was built.

Cheers.

ST


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 15, 2021, 03:38:45 PM
Back when the Forum III was delivered the bridge plate was talked about, based on two things.
1. Why was it so large?
2. The bridge plate did not extend completely under the saddle, so installation of the K&K Pure Mini could not be properly accomplished.

See the pics, supplied by Roger (Mr_LV19E). These were posted at one time, but due to picture hosting issues beyond our control, nearly all the pics from the Forum III discussions are gone.

The solution to the Pure Mini installation is the addition of a separate extension. Roger did this, others did too. I think the solution was provided by Jim Holler of Trinity Guitars.
I think the bridge plate for the Forum VI should be reconfigured to add this extension.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on May 15, 2021, 04:54:19 PM
Would probably be good to gauge interest in a pickup as there's a chance the majority might not want it, won't want to pay for it, and won't want their bridge being adapted to it. I know that most quality acoustics don't ship with pickups so that's why I'm making that assumption about buyer preferences but it could be the folks here are for having a factory pickup. If not, aftermarket pickups are always an option.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 15, 2021, 06:36:31 PM
Would probably be good to gauge interest in a pickup as there's a chance the majority might not want it, won't want to pay for it, and won't want their bridge being adapted to it. I know that most quality acoustics don't ship with pickups so that's why I'm making that assumption about buyer preferences but it could be the folks here are for having a factory pickup. If not, aftermarket pickups are always an option.
I'm not proposing a factory installed pickup.
But if I wanted to install this particular pickup, as I have in some of my other Larrivees, then why should this particular model NOT be suited for such an installation, unless it were through an inadvertent oversight?
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: bluebear on May 15, 2021, 06:46:47 PM
This sounds like a great idea, but isn't Larrivee backordered like most other guitar companies?


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 15, 2021, 07:09:49 PM
This sounds like a great idea, but isn't Larrivee backordered like most other guitar companies?
I think they are catching up, and John did not say no. He said if this doesn't work out, we can do a special Forum shirt or something.
We can do that as well.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on May 16, 2021, 01:13:16 AM
I'm not proposing a factory installed pickup.
But if I wanted to install this particular pickup, as I have in some of my other Larrivees, then why should this particular model NOT be suited for such an installation, unless it were through an inadvertent oversight?
Mike
Because the bridge plate is an important factor in the sound quality of the guitar and enlarging it just to accommodate for something like a particular type of pickup is certainly not something I'd want in my guitar. Go with what works for you though.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 16, 2021, 03:02:41 AM
Because the bridge plate is an important factor in the sound quality of the guitar and enlarging it just to accommodate for something like a particular type of pickup is certainly not something I'd want in my guitar. Go with what works for you though.
I made a product improvement comment based on looking into it. Not sure what you are basing your comment on.
Please read:
http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=32734.0
Notable quote:
"I'm sorry but I still find it disturbing that despite Larrivee using the largest recorded bridge plate in human history they still managed to miss the bridge."
This is from the guy who helped drive the Forum III.
You can also go and read:
http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=31304
Notable quote:
"if Larrivee is going to put the most atrociously massive bridgeplate ever conceived in there it could at least be centered under the bridge... instead having 1/4" in front of the pins and 8 feet behind."
Same guy said that. But you can read thru these, like I did. A lot of the second thread directly addressed the K&K mini install.
(Edit): there was a comment in one of the old threads, which I can't find now... basically saying, look the Forum III was quickly brought about, based on an older LS model and optimized for our specs and brought into production quickly and some things may have been overlooked, no one to blame.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on May 16, 2021, 03:43:31 AM
Really appreciated Bowie's explanation of Walnut, and agree with him from some previous experience.

Which - along with the comments about Maple being expensive right now - I'm willing to switch my preference to Walnut. I think with the 12-fret neck and placement of the bridge on the top, the Walnut will be a good balancing tonewood. Usually Walnut looks very nice as well. I'd love for these to have a non-Sitka top, but I could live with Sitka if it's a major cost consideration.

My latest two cents worth.  :wave


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on May 16, 2021, 04:36:02 AM
Here's one of the best LS demoes I could find on YouTube. Main differences: 14 fret neck, Sitka/EIR, and it's a gloss model (72 Series - yikes!!!).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zGmfR7TShc

 :nice guitar:


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on May 16, 2021, 04:38:37 AM
Here's a reason to go for Maple:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pPNmDh8uh8

 :drool:


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on May 16, 2021, 05:41:42 AM
I made a product improvement comment based on looking into it. Not sure what you are basing your comment on.
Please read:
http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=32734.0
Notable quote:
"I'm sorry but I still find it disturbing that despite Larrivee using the largest recorded bridge plate in human history they still managed to miss the bridge."
This is from the guy who helped drive the Forum III.
You can also go and read:
http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=31304
Notable quote:
"if Larrivee is going to put the most atrociously massive bridgeplate ever conceived in there it could at least be centered under the bridge... instead having 1/4" in front of the pins and 8 feet behind."
Same guy said that. But you can read thru these, like I did. A lot of the second thread directly addressed the K&K mini install.
(Edit): there was a comment in one of the old threads, which I can't find now... basically saying, look the Forum III was quickly brought about, based on an older LS model and optimized for our specs and brought into production quickly and some things may have been overlooked, no one to blame.
Mike
I was asked why the bridge play shouldn't be designed to accommodate a specific type of pickup system. I then gave an answer to how I felt about bridge plates. I think they should be designed for optimal acoustic performance. It's not a commentary on any previous designs.



Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on May 16, 2021, 05:52:57 AM
Here's a reason to go for Maple:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pPNmDh8uh8

 :drool:
Thanks for the kind words.
FWIW, I don't personally think the sound in the vid is down to maple itself. Most of the dolphin clips sound like that, due to the play style, room, the way they're recording them, etc. I've found maple to be less 'reverby' and more dry. Not to say it can't sound lush in the right circumstances though, as the clip illustrates.

Also, when it comes down to it, the top and the construction (specifically if they go with LS vs L, etc) will have a greater influence on the sound than the back wood so hopefully people will be flexible there and find something they can all agree on. I just had to speak up on walnut as I think it's the most underrated wood in lutherie. I think it's simply because, for years, people just bought what they knew. The fact that 12 fret has gained such popularity in recent years shows progress though.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 16, 2021, 03:10:45 PM
I just had to speak up on walnut as I think it's the most underrated wood in lutherie.
Part of the day yesterday was looking up what I could find on walnut to combine with your good post about it.
I am on board with walnut. If we forego cosmetic upgrades to the guitar, and stick with the 3 dot, we may end up with a price that won't scare us.
Mahogany should still be an option, for cost considerations.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mr_LV19E on May 16, 2021, 03:28:36 PM
and stick with the 3 dot.
Mike
You mean 6 dots right?


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 16, 2021, 03:49:48 PM
Maybe now would be a good time to see if anyone who initially preferred something else would consider walnut.
Looks like we now have 6 with walnut, I could see that going to 9.
Seems pretty clear we will have a spruce top. What type of spruce is still in the air.
If Larrivee's main stash is sitka, I would simply ask for a good grade, maybe avoid the -03 grade cosmetic blemishes sometimes seen.

I think we are close to getting back to John with the "what do you think about this?" question (spruce/walnut, spruce/hog, maybe hog/hog).
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 16, 2021, 03:52:43 PM
You mean 6 dots right?
I meant 3 dots at the 12th fret. That is a nod to the legacy of the Forum III.
We could ask for the additional 3 dots to be supplied loose in the case in case anyone wanted to install them  :bgrin: along with the pick guard.
(Edit): I'm not stuck on this 3 dot idea. I actually like fully marked fretboards, and I like microdots. But I would prefer not marking the guitar itself with an actual number, other than on the label.
If we wanted to really do a 6 dot fret board, we could the normal fret board dot locations, but eliminate the 14th fret marker. Voila, 6 dots.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mr_LV19E on May 16, 2021, 07:08:31 PM
I don’t remember, did the original extras on the forum iii run have three dots? I know they didn’t have numbered labels.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 16, 2021, 07:43:55 PM
I don’t remember, did the original extras on the forum iii run have three dots? I know they didn’t have numbered labels.
Yes sir, they did, that was it for the fretboard.
Normal markings on the binding.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Hooked on May 16, 2021, 11:23:33 PM
A confession of sorts... I am not much of a guitar player; certainly most of you are far better players than I, and that's is fabulous. I lurk mostly, picking up tips here and there, admiring the music you folks post. And I am a huge fan of the Larrivee guitars - the personal care and investment in craftmanship is amazing. And while a truly custom instrument will (and should) remain beyond me, The Larrivee family has kept these amazing guitars priced where I can afford another.

The whole discussion of tops and back/side woods is mostly lost on me. 21 years of Army Field Artillery has robbed my ears from hearing some of the richness and differences everyone talks about. Not knowing from long experience what I'd miss/gain from different woods, whatever the crew settles on is fine with me. I just want to enjoy a beautiful piece of work that puts happiness in my heart and maybe makes my feeble skills sound just a little better!

 :beer

Lou


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Hooked on May 16, 2021, 11:31:07 PM
And now, since I decided to weigh in... could someone post sound samples of similar bodied guitars with spruce/walnut, spruce/rosewood, spruce/mahogany combinations? Or point me to a resource that already has those comparisons? Maybe with my good headphones, I could hear something to make a clear choice...

Lou


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Queequeg on May 17, 2021, 01:54:36 AM
Great post, Lou.
It is the antithesis of the cork sniffer. Not to say that we have cork sniffers here.
My ears are 68 years old. They don’t differentiate the way they used to, but I know what I like.
And I’ve been around here quite a while but I still learn a lot from these guys here.
 :cheers


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on May 17, 2021, 02:03:43 AM
And now, since I decided to weigh in... could someone post sound samples of similar bodied guitars with spruce/walnut, spruce/rosewood, spruce/mahogany combinations? Or point me to a resource that already has those comparisons? Maybe with my good headphones, I could hear something to make a clear choice...

Lou

 The trouble with clips is that you'll rarely find acoustic guitar clips that offer direct A/B comparisons. The difference in back woods is small enough that a different room, different mic, or even moving the mic by 2 inches (5cm for my friends up north :winkin:) will have a greater influence than the back wood will. Even if you do find actual A/B comparisons, many factors come into play that make one sound better than another just based on things like mic placement. I am a full-time audio engineer who uses his ears for a living and even I don't trust clips I hear on youtube and such because they rarely reflect what the instrument actually sounds like in-hand. I've made comparison clips of all my guitars at some point but I won't post the clips as the mic-placement wasn't exact and it would give misleading impressions about each instrument.

 I will say that the L wears everything pretty well. It's not a big enough body that back wood choice becomes critical. With dreads and jumbos, you can easily end up with sonic mud if you don't choose the right wood combo for your tastes and play style. On an L, the top has a lot of influence and the back offers some flavor that can be balanced with string choice. Just my personal observation there, opinions will vary.
 


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 17, 2021, 02:25:43 AM
Great post, Lou.
It is the antithesis of the cork sniffer. Not to say that we have cork sniffers here.
My ears are 68 years old. They don’t differentiate the way they used to, but I know what I like.
And I’ve been around here quite a while but I still learn a lot from these guys here.
 :cheers
Bowie addressed the sound clip issue.
For my own part, I will readily admit that I can be easily influenced sometimes, and I also am older (will be 68 next week).
And as the mods know I can be kind of hyperbolic.
I think I will take a break until Tuesday. I have been too quick to respond to things, and the group needs the space.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on May 17, 2021, 02:25:37 PM
Mike, I was a little confused by your private message but I'll address it here since you insisted. I did state that I was initially not too interested, but could be tempted. After people started mentioning features that I like (before I ever mentioned them) my curiosity grew.

I'm mostly just trying to give people food for thought. In addition to objective statements, I've given personal opinions and labeled them as such.

 I could actually see myself getting in on this if it included a few specific features. I've intentionally not brought up those features because I don't want this to be "my build". If the group decides upon those things on their own then I may jump in. My posts are mostly to help people understand how different choices affect a guitar build, especially things that many people haven't experienced first hand.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Paraclete on May 18, 2021, 03:16:58 PM
Ok, after reading Bowie’s comment on walnut, I am intrigued more than before.  My problem is that I already have the guitars of my dreams (LSV-11 and a cedar/rosewood Ramirez) and it’s hard to imagine having another guitar that would keep my attention.  If I get another guitar, it’s got to be different in a good way.  So if the price is not unreasonable, I might be convinced.  That would make my preference LS, 12 fret, full scale, non-cutaway, walnut body (whatever top wood works best with that).  I’d kind of prefer a preinstalled pickup (dual source) as long as it is not a barndoor installation.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 18, 2021, 05:06:08 PM
Mike, I was a little confused by your private message but I'll address it here since you insisted. I did state that I was initially not too interested, but could be tempted. After people started mentioning features that I like (before I ever mentioned them) my curiosity grew.

I'm mostly just trying to give people food for thought. In addition to objective statements, I've given personal opinions and labeled them as such.

 I could actually see myself getting in on this if it included a few specific features. I've intentionally not brought up those features because I don't want this to be "my build". If the group decides upon those things on their own then I may jump in. My posts are mostly to help people understand how different choices affect a guitar build, especially things that many people haven't experienced first hand.
Bowie, thanks for this, it is good we know more about where you are at on the guitar.
However, I do think that you should go ahead and let us know what features you would like to see, as you are considered experienced and knowing.
Up till now, I only saw an opinion on walnut/adirondack.
Adding your preferences does not commit you to anything, and may generate additional helpful discussion.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 18, 2021, 05:10:22 PM
Ok, after reading Bowie’s comment on walnut, I am intrigued more than before.  My problem is that I already have the guitars of my dreams (LSV-11 and a cedar/rosewood Ramirez) and it’s hard to imagine having another guitar that would keep my attention.  If I get another guitar, it’s got to be different in a good way.  So if the price is not unreasonable, I might be convinced.  That would make my preference LS, 12 fret, full scale, non-cutaway, walnut body (whatever top wood works best with that).  I’d kind of prefer a preinstalled pickup (dual source) as long as it is not a barndoor installation.
I understand. I have you revised to spruce/walnut, and of course the type of spruce is still up in the air.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 18, 2021, 05:13:14 PM
Geez, I take one day off from this and we have 200 more reads on the thread.
Maybe that is a signal of momentum, or unspoken interest.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: jazzereh on May 18, 2021, 07:29:34 PM
Mike, I've not been keeping track of how many have expressed interest yet but since you note the number of views of this thread without comment, I wonder if pricing would make any difference?  I do know that you've got a lot of different 'wants' for now but what if we were to come up with some kind of ballpark price?  Make an assumption for a few things: 12 fret, adi, walnut, OM/OOO, no pickup.  Is there any way to get a ballpark price?  If people saw it was, say US$1000 as opposed to US$2000, maybe there would be more interest.  Just sayin'


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on May 18, 2021, 10:06:52 PM
Since we're still kicking the tires on this, I'll add:

I'd be good with any Spruce and Walnut, but I'd also be on board with Hog/Hog ...

an LS 12 fret with H/H would be a good sonic choice (as many Forum III owners have attested).

Just making sure we're keeping all reasonable options on the table.


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Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: AZLiberty on May 19, 2021, 01:07:57 AM
And now, since I decided to weigh in... could someone post sound samples of similar bodied guitars with spruce/walnut, spruce/rosewood, spruce/mahogany combinations? Or point me to a resource that already has those comparisons? Maybe with my good headphones, I could hear something to make a clear choice...

Lou

Three guitars, same time, same mic, everything identical except the guitars.

Spruce/Mahogany Larrivee OM
Carbon Fiber Rainsong OM
Spruce/Rosewood Larrivee OM

https://soundcloud.com/rocket_song/3-guitars-sound-samples


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 19, 2021, 01:41:21 AM
Since we're still kicking the tires on this, I'll add:
I'd be good with any Spruce and Walnut, but I'd also be on board with Hog/Hog ...
an LS 12 fret with H/H would be a good sonic choice (as many Forum III owners have attested).
Just making sure we're keeping all reasonable options on the table.

Mike, I've not been keeping track of how many have expressed interest yet but since you note the number of views of this thread without comment, I wonder if pricing would make any difference?  I do know that you've got a lot of different 'wants' for now but what if we were to come up with some kind of ballpark price?  Make an assumption for a few things: 12 fret, adi, walnut, OM/OOO, no pickup.  Is there any way to get a ballpark price?  If people saw it was, say US$1000 as opposed to US$2000, maybe there would be more interest.  Just sayin'
Mikey,
Before I saw your post I had sent an inquiry to John about the reasonableness of the spruce/walnut combo.
Also, in the inquiry I re-mentioned our interest in an affordable version, and specifically the spruce/hog and hog/hog.
I am desperately focused on making another version of the Forum III that we can afford.
That was a concern group members have mentioned a lot.
I also inquired if it was too early for us to start talking to dealers.
Altho I have MSRP, and MAP and the Custom Price List here, I can't even begin to say what will happen when Larrivee and a dealer get involved.
I am happy with our current progress tho.
I will let the group know when I get a response from John.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Jamolay on May 19, 2021, 02:19:11 AM
Three guitars, same time, same mic, everything identical except the guitars.

Spruce/Mahogany Larrivee OM
Carbon Fiber Rainsong OM
Spruce/Rosewood Larrivee OM

https://soundcloud.com/rocket_song/3-guitars-sound-samples
Thanks for this!

All three sound great.

I found the Om-03 the warmest, with the most pronounced midrange, perhaps a little muddy in a nice full way.

The Rainsong was clean, less mids and maybe highs, but well balanced. It seemed to lack a little depth and complexity compared with the others. Too clean perhaps?

The Om-03R was crisper and less muddy than the hog, but similar richness and depth. The mids were much less pronounced, so a different feel and less warmth.

I want them all…


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Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Will V. on May 19, 2021, 03:35:16 AM
Since maple has been all but ruled out at this point, and I was among the people suggesting it from the beginning, I'd like to say that I'm open to different options. I currently have a sitka/rosewood L-10 and sitka/mahogany OMV-03, so my preference would be something that's not one of those. Also, I have a maple guitar incoming that may have been recently posted on the for sale forum, so that will probably scratch my itch for a maple Larrivee.  :guitar


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: eded on May 19, 2021, 02:58:22 PM
Geez, I take one day off from this and we have 200 more reads on the thread.
Maybe that is a signal of momentum, or unspoken interest.
Mike

I'd bet some of those reads are like mine...  I know the excitement of these build threads, through experience.  I read to live it vicariously even though I'm not in the market.

Ed


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: tuffythepug on May 19, 2021, 06:25:46 PM
Regarding the pricing of a new forum guitar:  Forum III was produced in Vancouver in 2009.   Of course any new forum guitars will be produced in California.  There were numerous options.   3 wood combinations, standard or cutaway, & herringbone purfling primarily.  Obviously things have changed in the last 12 years.  I won't say what the pricing was in 2009 but an all hog with herringbone was much, much closer to $1k than 2K.   The pricing seemed to hit the sweet spot for members who were on the fence but couldn't pass up the chance to have something very very special.  I wish I could be a part of this next forum guitar but with 5 already in the house, including my Forum III I can't justify the expense.   I do, however, wish you guys all the luck in the world getting this done.  For what it's worth,  in the past they only needed 12 confirmed orders to proceed with production


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 19, 2021, 06:48:20 PM
I received a reply from John about the walnut guitars..... this is it, verbatim and complete.

"If you were to go the Walnut route then American Walnut is the way to go for cost-efficiency. We have plenty and it is only $300 MSRP. Obviously less when we come up with a final price. The more on board, the greater the savings package I can put together.  As for the dealer to work with, please leave that up to me to sort out. All I want is for you folks to come up with a model.

These will be the only variations... Lefty, cutaway, and pickup options.  Of course, the Larrivée's will throw in a little special touch for the Forum folks. Lets see what you come up with first, and then we'll see about adding a little something special 😉"


John did not address the sitka/hog or hog/hog options. This may be because Larrivee might want us to focus one one model.
I wrote back with a couple of follow up questions regarding pickup options. Will let the group know.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Rockysdad on May 19, 2021, 07:17:27 PM
Sooooooo, what will body size do to Spruce/Walnut combo,........ would it make a difference?

I guess I'm trying to see which would optimize utilizing Walnut.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on May 19, 2021, 08:16:22 PM
Sooooooo, what will body size do to Spruce/Walnut combo,........ would it make a difference?

I guess I'm trying to see which would optimize utilizing Walnut.

Body size will tend to do the same thing no matter what tone woods are involved: larger bodies will add more bass; small bodies will lose depth and sound more boxy, etc. From there, different woods will move the tone toward the characteristics of that particular wood species...

...sorry this isn't more helpful. I think we're pretty well agreed on the LS (small, 15" wide Larrivee shaped) body for this Forum guitar.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 19, 2021, 08:57:45 PM
Body size will tend to do the same thing no matter what tone woods are involved: larger bodies will add more bass; small bodies will lose depth and sound more boxy, etc. From there, different woods will move the tone toward the characteristics of that particular wood species...
...sorry this isn't more helpful. I think we're pretty well agreed on the LS (small, 15" wide Larrivee shaped) body for this Forum guitar.
Sooooooo, what will body size do to Spruce/Walnut combo,........ would it make a difference?
I guess I'm trying to see which would optimize utilizing Walnut.
If one were to do a search on Larrivee walnut guitars one would find a large number of them are small guitars... parlors.
I would not anyways consider the LS as a small guitar. It is really comparable to an OM, but L-body shaped.
And remember, we are going to have a bridge in the middle of the lower bout.
Like I said, I have not played a walnut guitar, so I have to approach it like that.
It is going to sound good.

Please remember, I asked John about the Walnut cause more forum members listed it as a preference.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 19, 2021, 09:04:29 PM
Bridge plate stuff here....
Regarding the bridge placement and the Pure Mini installation....
John indicated no structural changes to the guitar would be approved, because they are working with a large backlog.
We do have a way around the problem, as it has been brought to our attention by Roger (MR_LV19E).
I myself have several sound hole pickups begging to be tested in an LS.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Bard on May 19, 2021, 10:17:16 PM
I received a reply from John about the walnut guitars..... this is it, verbatim and complete.

"If you were to go the Walnut route then American Walnut is the way to go for cost-efficiency. We have plenty and it is only $300 MSRP. Obviously less when we come up with a final price. The more on board, the greater the savings package I can put together.  As for the dealer to work with, please leave that up to me to sort out. All I want is for you folks to come up with a model.

These will be the only variations... Lefty, cutaway, and pickup options.  Of course, the Larrivée's will throw in a little special touch for the Forum folks. Lets see what you come up with first, and then we'll see about adding a little something special 😉"


John did not address the sitka/hog or hog/hog options. This may be because Larrivee might want us to focus one one model.
I wrote back with a couple of follow up questions regarding pickup options. Will let the group know.
Mike

This is exciting news! I can’t believe that just 2 weeks ago John put the post up. I was the first to reply and lo and behold, the pieces a threw in there are the nearly consensus choice.

Mike, thanks for putting in the time and effort.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 20, 2021, 02:26:55 AM
This is exciting news! I can’t believe that just 2 weeks ago John put the post up. I was the first to reply and lo and behold, the pieces a threw in there are the nearly consensus choice.
Bard. You have been a member of this forum since 2008, and made only 31 posts till now.
You met Doc. Your name is on the 50th anniversary T-shirt. You know Larrivee electrics. You are one smart person.
"All ears. Something 12 fret with walnut?"
Amazing, may I inquire.... what were you thinking when you made that post?
It is wonderful. You should get the #1 of the series.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 20, 2021, 12:50:03 PM
The current specs for Forum VI, best as I can figure, are as follows, and of course, feel free to comment, agree/disagree.
We still haven't actually decided anything.

*LS-03 body style, with exact same body dims as Forum III
*Sitka spruce/American walnut
*12 fret
*Regular scale (25.5")
*1-3/4 nut width
*2-1/4 string spacing at bridge
*Maple binding (standard on -03)
*Herringbone rosette (standard on -03)
*Three micro dots 12th fret inlay, no other fretboard markers, with dots on neck edge binding
*Inside label - Forum Guitar VI x of xx
*Standard -03 tuners
*Detached pickguard (loose in case)
*Options - left handed and venetian cutaway
*Standard hardshell case

The body size dimensions are

*Lower bout 15"
*Waist 9 3/4"
*Upper bout 11"
*Depth 4"
*Overall Length 40”

Primary differences from the Forum III
*16 inch fretboard radius
*updated truss rod access
*Made in Oxnard


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: gtrplayer on May 20, 2021, 03:02:45 PM
How about some herringbone purfling as an option?  This was the case for the Forum III guitars.  I think it makes a big difference in looks and pricewise it would only effect those that wanted it..


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Bard on May 20, 2021, 03:31:19 PM
Bard. You have been a member of this forum since 2008, and made only 31 posts till now.
You met Doc. Your name is on the 50th anniversary T-shirt. You know Larrivee electrics. You are one smart person.
"All ears. Something 12 fret with walnut?"
Amazing, may I inquire.... what were you thinking when you made that post?
It is wonderful. You should get the #1 of the series.
Mike

Thanks for the kind words. I probably should balance my lurking to posting ratio out a bit. Hahaha

My thinking was:
1. I love the full bodied sound of a dread. Considering that smaller body guitars are more comfortable, it seemed that I good compromise in getting a smaller bodied guitar with fuller projection would be in a 12 fret.

2. I remember seeing a post on here from Matthew regarding walnut. He was raving about it's richness and was his personal choice (at least at the time) for best tone for sides and back on an acoustic. I used to prefer rosewood. I changed a few years back to mahogany. I have options in koa and maple (tried Blackwood - it didn't do it for me - jury is still out. It was a one guitar sample). For this special guitar, I was thinking 'how about something different?'. Walnut seemed to be the choice that made the most sense.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 20, 2021, 04:37:05 PM
Thanks for the kind words. I probably should balance my lurking to posting ratio out a bit. Hahaha

My thinking was:
1. I love the full bodied sound of a dread. Considering that smaller body guitars are more comfortable, it seemed that I good compromise in getting a smaller bodied guitar with fuller projection would be in a 12 fret.

2. I remember seeing a post on here from Matthew regarding walnut. He was raving about it's richness and was his personal choice (at least at the time) for best tone for sides and back on an acoustic. I used to prefer rosewood. I changed a few years back to mahogany. I have options in koa and maple (tried Blackwood - it didn't do it for me - jury is still out. It was a one guitar sample). For this special guitar, I was thinking 'how about something different?'. Walnut seemed to be the choice that made the most sense.
Two good Matt posts, you will like what you read.
http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=50280.msg442218#msg442218
http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=50280.msg442174#msg442174
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Bard on May 20, 2021, 09:19:09 PM
Two good Matt posts, you will like what you read.
http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=50280.msg442218#msg442218
http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=50280.msg442174#msg442174
Mike

That's great stuff. Has anyone here tried an all walnut Larrivee? It was one of Matthew's favorites. Yet, I doubt there were many made.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: jrdavies on May 20, 2021, 09:24:17 PM

I was curious as to what American Walnut looked like so did a quick search

https://heartbreakerguitars.com/collections/larrivee-guitars/products/larrivee-l09-american-walnut-custom-guitar


They have a sound clip of an American Walnut T-40 on YT as well.

Cheers


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Strings4Him on May 20, 2021, 11:12:03 PM
I really like the idea of American walnut.


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Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 21, 2021, 02:11:15 AM
The current specs for Forum VI, best as I can figure, are as follows, and of course, feel free to comment, agree/disagree.
We still haven't actually decided anything.

*LS-03 body style, with exact same body dims as Forum III
*Sitka spruce/American walnut
*12 fret
*Regular scale (25.5")
*1-3/4 nut width
*2-1/4 string spacing at bridge
*Maple binding (standard on -03)
*Herringbone rosette (standard on -03)
*Three micro dots 12th fret inlay, no other fretboard markers, with dots on neck edge binding
*Inside label - Forum Guitar VI x of xx
*Standard -03 tuners
*Detached pickguard (loose in case)
*Options - left handed and venetian cutaway
*Standard hardshell case

The body size dimensions are

*Lower bout 15"
*Waist 9 3/4"
*Upper bout 11"
*Depth 4"
*Overall Length 40”

Primary differences from the Forum III
*16 inch fretboard radius
*updated truss rod access
*Made in Oxnard
What I am asking for is how many people here are willing to go with these specs.
This is for the purpose of getting a minimum number of people who will define the "model" of guitar we are after, and then Larrivee can start talking to a dealer and come up with a price.
No one should say "yes" to these specs unless you are at least semi-serious.
We need a dozen people on board (actually probably 16 or 20) for Larrivee to take us seriously.
After we get a price, other members may say they want to be on board or whatever.
We have to start "somewhere" when dealing with Larrivee. They are gonna build the guitars.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 21, 2021, 02:17:25 AM
How about some herringbone purfling as an option?  This was the case for the Forum III guitars.  I think it makes a big difference in looks and pricewise it would only effect those that wanted it..
John indicated what the options were. Herringbone purfling was not one of them.
I am confident if we were to have 78 people order a Forum VI (like with the Forum III) we could influence more options.
Right now I don't see that number of interested people. We need to have a hard core 12 to 20 expressing interest for Larrivee to even consider this guitar and approach a dealer.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: AZLiberty on May 21, 2021, 06:29:27 AM
.
I would not anyways consider the LS as a small guitar. It is really comparable to an OM, but L-body shaped.
And remember, we are going to have a bridge in the middle of the lower bout.


The LS body is pretty much an OM volume wise, just shaped more like an L as Mike says.  Here is my OM next to my Forum-III.
The bridge placement makes for a more fundamental tone on the 12-fret, and a bit more sustain.

I'm tentatively on board for either Walnut/Spruce or hog/hog.  

[I say tentative because I have been trying to not buy more wooden guitars, I'm really enjoying the maintenance aspects of carbon fiber]

(https://i.imgur.com/BZ28gU0.jpg?2)


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 21, 2021, 03:50:31 PM
Well, we have four so far (stringsforhim, AZLiberty, Bard, and myself) firmly in the category of "I think I like this model, but I really need to see a price before I can commit" category, which is the correct stage we are at right now anyhow. Others have mentioned walnut, but have not recently commented on the specifications.

One of the other combo favorites Matt commented on was walnut and moonwood.
Bearing in mind that twice now Larrivee has upgraded to better tops (Forum III and Forum V), maybe if we all have positive thoughts directed at Oxnard we could end up with a better top as Larrivee's part to make it special.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Vid on May 21, 2021, 06:20:47 PM
I can personally give a thumbs up to Walnut for the back and sides. I made a small jumbo guitar with solid walnut back and sides a dozen years ago with a solid Sitka spruce top and Ebony fretboard and bridge with bone nut and saddle and Ebony bridge pins. It has a well balanced rich tone similar to mahogany. I would prefer a 14 fret model but that’s just me. Using walnut will be a fine choice!  :coffee :donut


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Hooked on May 21, 2021, 06:27:40 PM
I'm in with specs as stated (spruce over walnut). Moonwood would be a really nice upgrade, as would the herringbone purfling/binding, but I'd be very happy with what you've outlined!


Lou


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on May 21, 2021, 06:36:43 PM
I'm also in for those specs, mike - just make mine lefty!  :thumbsup


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 21, 2021, 06:49:09 PM
I can personally give a thumbs up to Walnut for the back and sides. I made a small jumbo guitar with solid walnut back and sides a dozen years ago with a solid Sitka spruce top and Ebony fretboard and bridge with bone nut and saddle and Ebony bridge pins. It has a well balanced rich tone similar to mahogany. I would prefer a 14 fret model but that’s just me. Using walnut will be a fine choice!  :coffee :donut
:donut :coffee
That's a good comment on the forum choices, thanks.
But, I think I do NOT read that you would be interested in this forum VI guitar?
You can correct me.
Appreciate the ringing endorsement!
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: jazzereh on May 21, 2021, 07:27:47 PM
What I am asking for is how many people here are willing to go with these specs.
This is for the purpose of getting a minimum number of people who will define the "model" of guitar we are after, and then Larrivee can start talking to a dealer and come up with a price.
No one should say "yes" to these specs unless you are at least semi-serious.
We need a dozen people on board (actually probably 16 or 20) for Larrivee to take us seriously.
After we get a price, other members may say they want to be on board or whatever.
We have to start "somewhere" when dealing with Larrivee. They are gonna build the guitars.
Mike


I'm good with those specs.  The LS is close enough to the OM & OOO size that I'd be happy with that and the walnut B/S is what I would want.  Only caveat is that I'm still looking for a Forum III all hog and if one happens to come up, I'd be on that and mostly because it was made in Canada which is how I'm building my collection of Larrivee's.  If that happens [seems unlikely] I'm not sure of my budget but I'm serious about this build if it happens.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Will V. on May 21, 2021, 07:44:39 PM
What I am asking for is how many people here are willing to go with these specs.
This is for the purpose of getting a minimum number of people who will define the "model" of guitar we are after, and then Larrivee can start talking to a dealer and come up with a price.
No one should say "yes" to these specs unless you are at least semi-serious.
We need a dozen people on board (actually probably 16 or 20) for Larrivee to take us seriously.
After we get a price, other members may say they want to be on board or whatever.
We have to start "somewhere" when dealing with Larrivee. They are gonna build the guitars.
Mike

I'm in depending on price. I love the idea of a 12-fret LSV-03AW.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: jpmist on May 21, 2021, 10:17:03 PM
I'm in depending on price. I love the idea of a 12-fret LSV-03AW.

Yikes, that kinda jogged my memory a bit. I used to own a 12-fret LSV-03! A beautiful guitar that simply didn't fit my ear having played the smaller OO for almost 10 years. It was spruce mahogany not walnut, but since I recorded a sound demo to offer when I put it up for sale I thought someone might want to hear a spruce topped LS 12-fret.

Of course the usual disclaimers as there's no second guitar to compare it to and what you largely hear is more my own recording technique than anything conclusive about the guitar but with that said here's the SoundCloud link - https://soundcloud.com/jpmist/larrivee-lsv-03-sound-clip-demo

Apologies for spying on a thread I can't commit to buying into, but while I'd love to hear what a spruce/walnut (particularly "moon" spruce like my OO-05) I have too many case queens at the moment . . . Best of luck guys!


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mattwood on May 22, 2021, 12:21:03 AM
To be honest I'm on the fence Mike as I have thought more about this.  If it's a spruce/walnut 12 fret I'm concerned that the tone might not be too different from my C-03R spruce/rosewood 12 fret.  If's it moonwood/walnut, that might be different enough.  I'd like to get an idea of price to make a decision.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 22, 2021, 12:51:09 AM
To be honest I'm on the fence Mike as I have thought more about this.  If it's a spruce/walnut 12 fret I'm concerned that the tone might not be too different from my C-03R spruce/rosewood 12 fret.  If's it moonwood/walnut, that might be different enough.  I'd like to get an idea of price to make a decision.
Matt,
The moonwood option is sort of a fantasy. If we all really wanted it, we could have specified it. $$$.
I get your concerns about the Forum VI vs the Tommy. I played the Tommy. I would not have bought it, because it is a rosewood and florentine cutaway.
I will put you down in the current group of "we want to see a price". You make nine (9).
We need more.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on May 22, 2021, 12:51:32 AM
Bowie, thanks for this, it is good we know more about where you are at on the guitar.
However, I do think that you should go ahead and let us know what features you would like to see, as you are considered experienced and knowing.
Up till now, I only saw an opinion on walnut/adirondack.
Adding your preferences does not commit you to anything, and may generate additional helpful discussion.
Mike
Sorry, I was dealing with some family and work issues the past couple days and haven't had a chance to check in here.

Regarding features, I'm very moved by a slotted headstock. I know that can be a polarizing thing so I didn't want to bring it up or try to sway the build in that direction. But, I think a slotted headstock with a nice veneer (maybe walnut burl or even a simple, black ebony) would be classy. Larrivee builds a really nice slotted headstock that's roomy enough to make string changes easy.

I'm a mega fan of red/Adirondack spruce top wood. I know Larrivee rarely builds with it but maybe there's some chance they'd be willing to get in a small supply for this run. I feel very strongly about the sonic qualities of this wood. So much so, my last several steel strings have been adi spruce.

Those are two things I didn't want to bring up because I don't want to steer this into being my build. But, if it ends up featuring those things I'd definitely be a buyer. So, I'll just leave those features as food for thought, as Mike requested.

I was thinking of headstock inlays that would be unique, eye catching, but not expensive to implement. The torch being my favorite but likely cost prohibitive. The Roman numerals someone mentioned previously would look really good, particularly on a slotted headstock guitar, and probably not cost a lot to implement since it's a very simple inlay. One of the cleanest looking guitars I've ever played was a Santa Cruz 000 that had an ebony fret board with no markers except the SCGC logo at the 12th fret, leading into a ebony veneer slotted headstock with the same logo. Simply gorgeous. I think the VI could easily do the same thing with the Roman numerals and look like a million bucks, without costing it.




Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: teh on May 22, 2021, 02:15:57 AM
I just wrote a long post but my message was lost because my session timed out and I don’t have the energy to rewrite it.

I will most likely be in based on the specs mike posted in Reply #102 on this thread. Like Bowie, I still want a VI inlay in the headstock or at the 12th fret, maybe a lighter colored wood to stand out.

I’ll keep watching this unfold but am heading up to grab my parlor to wind down. Thanks Mike for your creativity, perseverance and efforts in this project. I’ve enjoyed following this thread.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 22, 2021, 02:34:32 AM
I just wrote a long post but my message was lost because my session timed out and I don’t have the energy to rewrite it.

I will most likely be in based on the specs mike posted in Reply #102 on this thread. Like Bowie, I still want a VI inlay in the headstock or at the 12th fret, maybe a lighter colored wood to stand out.

I’ll keep watching this unfold but am heading up to grab my parlor to wind down. Thanks Mike for your creativity, perseverance and efforts in this project. I’ve enjoyed following this thread.
I hate it when my session times out, I think I have 60 minutes. I can't do anything in 60 minutes.
I am gonna add you down to the "let me see the price" group (we are all in that group right now).
There are nine (edit - actually ten) of us right now.
The specs are pretty clear. They can be changed. I am not stuck on 3 dots at the 12th fret. I would be totally happy with a regular fretboard and big dots. But right now, that is the spec.
I (personally) don't want anything on the headstock other than the Larrivee logo. (I guess I should have wrote that in the spec). No torch, no inlay, no VI, just Larrivee, like is on most other Larrivee guitars and what was on the Forum III. I am proud of the Larrivee logo on the headstock.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: bobsnuscruz on May 22, 2021, 04:45:53 AM
Love my Forum III (Italian Spruce over Mahogany, w/ herringbone), but would trade it for on with a wider nut, say 1-7/8".  Anybody else?


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on May 22, 2021, 12:10:34 PM
Put me down as curious as to price. I'm fine with specs as they stand. I have a 2001 Larrivee O-01 with walnut and the tone is very nice.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Vid on May 22, 2021, 02:20:56 PM
Hi all, Because of budget constraints I am not in the guitar purchase market at this time. My comment on Walnut as a back and side, I simply thought it would be helpful since I do own a guitar with that wonderful tone wood..
Thanks and best of luck! :coffee :donut


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 22, 2021, 02:27:00 PM
Hi all, Because of budget constraints I am not in the guitar purchase market at this time. My comment on Walnut as a back and side, I simply thought it would be helpful since I do own a guitar with that wonderful tone wood..
Thanks and best of luck! :coffee :donut
And we thank you for the clarification.
11 of us are now sitting on the fence.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Vid on May 22, 2021, 02:33:34 PM
:donut :coffee
That's a good comment on the forum choices, thanks.
But, I think I do NOT read that you would be interested in this forum VI guitar?
You can correct me.
Appreciate the ringing endorsement!
Mike

Not to be redundant, but at this time I am currently not in the market for a guitar purchase...Just watching the wallet! Again I am a big fan of Walnut for a tone wood! Best of luck :coffee :donut


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Rockysdad on May 22, 2021, 03:21:18 PM
This thread is the busiest I've seen since joining this forum, I think  :roll
I'm not sure if I'm included in the ( On the fence Group ) ?

I'm definitely interested.   :nice guitar:


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 22, 2021, 03:50:21 PM
This thread is the busiest I've seen since joining this forum, I think  :roll
I'm not sure if I'm included in the ( On the fence Group ) ?

I'm definitely interested.   :nice guitar:
Being on the fence, in this case, means we looked over the spec (reply 102) and are ok with it, and now we want to see a price.
Your participation makes 12 of this small, fragile group.
We will see what happens the rest of the weekend, but maybe this is enough to tell John there is interest in this particular model and we would like some feedback on the price.
We still have a ways to go.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Frasier1 on May 23, 2021, 01:05:34 AM
I have been lurking this thread since the beginning and am on board with what specs I've seen so far.  To be specific, I myself would like walnut back/sides with a preference for Moonwood, Larrivee logo headstock, VI on the fretboard, fullscale 12 fret, and cutaway.  

May I make a suggestion that if more numbers are needed to possibly mention this on the Acoustic Guitar Forum?  I have seen alot of traction on Larrivee guitars in the past year or so and there could be some interest.  I know this is the Larrivee Forum and not the AGF but just a suggestion!



Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on May 23, 2021, 02:01:28 AM

May I make a suggestion that if more numbers are needed to possibly mention this on the Acoustic Guitar Forum?  I have seen alot of traction on Larrivee guitars in the past year or so and there could be some interest.  I know this is the Larrivee Forum and not the AGF but just a suggestion!

Would probably be worth a try. Though, I'll warn that many of the mods over there are like 60 year old hall monitors, looking for people to harass. That's why I don't go there anymore. There's a strong chance they'll remove a thread about another forum. But, if someone's willing to try, it would bring a lot of exposure to the build.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Rockysdad on May 23, 2021, 02:27:24 AM
Would probably be worth a try. Though, I'll warn that many of the mods over there are like 60 year old hall monitors, looking for people to harass. That's why I don't go there anymore. There's a strong chance they'll remove a thread about another forum. But, if someone's willing to try, it would bring a lot of exposure to the build.

They definitely don't like references to *other* forums, they'll remove the post.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Frasier1 on May 23, 2021, 03:05:26 AM
Would probably be worth a try. Though, I'll warn that many of the mods over there are like 60 year old hall monitors, looking for people to harass. That's why I don't go there anymore. There's a strong chance they'll remove a thread about another forum. But, if someone's willing to try, it would bring a lot of exposure to the build.

They definitely don't like references to *other* forums, they'll remove the post.


You guys very well could be right!!  Then may I suggest the 'Larrivee Guitar Owners' group on Facebook. 


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 23, 2021, 04:12:58 AM
Then may I suggest the 'Larrivee Guitar Owners' group on Facebook. 
The Larrivee FB mods said I could post about this and I did. We got 4 likes.
However, I am going to follow up with the spec and see if we get 5 likes.
Look, the basic setup of FB means anything one posts is going to disappear pretty quick.
And I am in the camp "forget about AGF". One would need a lot of smarts to bust thru their firewall, and besides, we would not like it if someone in AGF tried doing it to us.
I like the idea that we are thinking out of the box. Ideas welcome!
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 23, 2021, 04:26:34 AM
I have been lurking this thread since the beginning and am on board with what specs I've seen so far.  To be specific, I myself would like walnut back/sides with a preference for Moonwood, Larrivee logo headstock, VI on the fretboard, fullscale 12 fret, and cutaway.  

I am happy we have a lurker coming forth!
I am sort of maybe clear on what you may have said here, not really sure.....
The specs are as I presented. There is no law that says we cannot change them before going back to Larrivee with our proposed model.
So, if I am understanding, you are ok with the LS body, walnut back and sides, sitka spruce top, and venetian cutaway. Assuming you are right handed!
I did not list a VI on the fretboard, or moonwood, on the spec. Moonwood is a fantasy anyhow. If Larrivee were to throw that in to make the guitar "special" I would be grateful forever.
Just trying to make sure on all things.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 23, 2021, 04:38:22 AM
You guys very well could be right!!  Then may I suggest the 'Larrivee Guitar Owners' group on Facebook. 
Cliff,
You are "another" 50th anniversary T-shirt owner (I have two myself), as well as a long term forum member, way before me!
I feel humbled that folks like you are even interested in my miniscule effort.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Frasier1 on May 23, 2021, 11:46:46 AM
I am happy we have a lurker coming forth!
I am sort of maybe clear on what you may have said here, not really sure.....
The specs are as I presented. There is no law that says we cannot change them before going back to Larrivee with our proposed model.
So, if I am understanding, you are ok with the LS body, walnut back and sides, sitka spruce top, and venetian cutaway. Assuming you are right handed!
I did not list a VI on the fretboard, or moonwood, on the spec. Moonwood is a fantasy anyhow. If Larrivee were to throw that in to make the guitar "special" I would be grateful forever.
Just trying to make sure on all things.
Mike

Cliff,
You are "another" 50th anniversary T-shirt owner (I have two myself), as well as a long term forum member, way before me!
I feel humbled that folks like you are even interested in my miniscule effort.
Mike

Thanks Mike but I'm a mere child compared to those on here who have been a Larrivee owner since the 70's, 80's, and 90's!  I was
fortunate enough to get in on the Forum IV and V builds.

As far as my moonwood and VI comments, those were only requests following previous posts.  And yes to your comment "So, if I am understanding, you are ok with the LS body, walnut back and sides, sitka spruce top, and venetian cutaway. Assuming you are right handed!"

Thank you for your passion and leadership in getting this build off the ground!



Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 23, 2021, 06:00:52 PM
All, I sent the Forum VI spec off to John Jr, said we had 13 interested, with 2 being LSV and 1 LS left handed.
I don't know how long it will take for John to get back to us with a cost so we can take another step forward.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Paraclete on May 23, 2021, 07:17:43 PM
I’m on the fence... definitely will depend on price


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 23, 2021, 09:35:57 PM
I’m on the fence... definitely will depend on price
Got ya marked down. 14, not so bad.
The view is not so bad up here on the fence. Kinda like a front row seat for something or other, and waiting for the show to start.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: musicrowscott on May 24, 2021, 02:40:09 PM
I'm interested in the specs you gave, also depending on price...count me in. Although, I'd LOVE to see an all walnut option. Had never seen a walnut top Larrivee before the link shared!

Thanks for all your work with this!

Cheers,


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 24, 2021, 03:36:22 PM
I'm interested in the specs you gave, also depending on price...count me in. Although, I'd LOVE to see an all walnut option. Had never seen a walnut top Larrivee before the link shared!
Thanks for all your work with this!
Cheers,
I was hoping you would pop back and chime in. Thanks!
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 25, 2021, 01:05:47 AM
All, I sent the Forum VI spec off to John Jr, said we had 13 interested, with 2 being LSV and 1 LS left handed.
I don't know how long it will take for John to get back to us with a cost so we can take another step forward.
Mike
John now knows we have 15 fence sitters and he said he needs a couple or so days and will get back to us.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: willynelson13 on May 25, 2021, 06:47:11 PM
Glad to see there is some Lefty interest.



Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 25, 2021, 07:05:52 PM
Glad to see there is some Lefty interest.
And if you were to show interest, there would be 2 lefties.
Trivia.... 6 of us fence sitters have our names on the 50th anniversary T-shirt.
You could make it 7.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Rockysdad on May 25, 2021, 08:25:18 PM
Mike, I mentioned this build to a popular member (has Larrivee himself) in AGF through a private message, said he'd pass the info on to some he knew.

Just trying to get the numbers up.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 25, 2021, 09:08:16 PM
Mike, I mentioned this build to a popular member (has Larrivee himself) in AGF through a private message, said he'd pass the info on to some he knew.
Just trying to get the numbers up.
That is a good thought and I appreciate it, but unless one is a Larrivee Forum member, one will not be able to get a Forum VI guitar.
There really is no way around it.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Will V. on May 27, 2021, 12:37:24 AM
That is a good thought and I appreciate it, but unless one is a Larrivee Forum member, one will not be able to get a Forum VI guitar.
There really is no way around it.
Mike

Surely the answer for any interested strangers is to simply become a Larrivee Forum member (and provide customary donuts), yes? Or am I missing something?


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: tuffythepug on May 27, 2021, 04:41:14 PM
Surely the answer for any interested strangers is to simply become a Larrivee Forum member (and provide customary donuts), yes? Or am I missing something?

Since the final ordering will be handled through the forum it's unlikely that a non-member would be able to sign up for this newest forum guitar.  Frankly, I don't believe the issue arose during the previous Forum Guitar projects.  In any case, joining the forum would allow others to participate if they wanted.   This could be important if we are unable to get enough current members to sign up.   Of course, the decision to go with LS-03 Forum III guitar design probably eliminates the 87 members who bought the F III since it wouldn't make sense to have two so similar.   I would have thought that a different model might attract larger numbers of interested members.  (000 for example)   Having said that, if I was going to get another LS-03 (mine is all mahogany) I would be intrigued by a 12 fretter in Spruce/Walnut with a squared 40 series headstock.  Just my 2 cents.  It will be interesting to see how it all turns out !


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 27, 2021, 06:42:45 PM
Since the final ordering will be handled through the forum it's unlikely that a non-member would be able to sign up for this newest forum guitar.  Frankly, I don't believe the issue arose during the previous Forum Guitar projects.  In any case, joining the forum would allow others to participate if they wanted.   This could be important if we are unable to get enough current members to sign up.   Of course, the decision to go with LS-03 Forum III guitar design probably eliminates the 87 members who bought the F III since it wouldn't make sense to have two so similar.   I would have thought that a different model might attract larger numbers of interested members.  (000 for example)   Having said that, if I was going to get another LS-03 (mine is all mahogany) I would be intrigued by a 12 fretter in Spruce/Walnut with a squared 40 series headstock.  Just my 2 cents.  It will be interesting to see how it all turns out !
I think you and Will make excellent points. One of John's early comments to me was "I know these kind of things really help build the community."
Regarding the model, I suggested the Forum III because it was a raging success, and one cannot get an LS-03 with the 4 inch depth unless is is based on the Forum III. One can easily custom order a 12 fret OM or standard 000. Yes, there were 78 or 87 original members who got a Forum III, but that was 12 years ago. Besides, many of us have multiple examples of the same model. I have two OM's in 2 different woods, and a handful of L-bodies in 4 different woods and trims.
Aside from that, the Forum I and Forum II were the same exact guitar. The Forum IV comprised 2 separate runs of the same guitar.
If it were not for my own selfishness, the Forum would probably be discussing a custom T-shirt. Even if we were talking about a different model for the Forum VI, I would not have got one, because I can get a wide variety of Larrivees used, but I cannot get a guitar like the Forum III and Forum VI will be an updated, better guitar than the original.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Hooked on May 27, 2021, 06:47:19 PM
So - in the interest of potentially increasing the market for a Forum VI model, someone (more senior around here than me!) might make a post on the Facebook Larrivee group(s) and let them know this is happening here and that they'd need to join this group in order to get on board.

Just my $0.02.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 27, 2021, 07:23:17 PM
So - in the interest of potentially increasing the market for a Forum VI model, someone (more senior around here than me!) might make a post on the Facebook Larrivee group(s) and let them know this is happening here and that they'd need to join this group in order to get on board.
Just my $0.02.
I actually got the ok from the mod at the Larrivee FB group and posted that we were discussing the guitar and then followed up with the specs. The posts then were submerged below everything else, with no responses. I deleted the post.
However, once we get a price, a dealer name, and decide here in the Forum if we want to continue, then we can post on Facebook again. The main concern among most of us was the price. No sense in promoting it if we ourselves are not comfortable moving ahead.
That is just my opinion. Anyone can pitch this anyhow they want. I feel comfortable with my current focus.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Hooked on May 27, 2021, 07:24:34 PM
That makes sense, Mike. I'll go back to the woodshed now. :) :blush:


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: willynelson13 on May 27, 2021, 10:04:13 PM
And if you were to show interest, there would be 2 lefties.
Trivia.... 6 of us fence sitters have our names on the 50th anniversary T-shirt.
You could make it 7.
Mike

Hi Mike, Great work getting folks excited and actively posting. Unfortunately no new guitar for me at this time. I was hoping to see more discussion on bridge inlay options. Would folks also consider the 50th Anniversary bridge inlay?

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Title: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Rockysdad on May 27, 2021, 11:57:52 PM
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I like inlays !


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Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: eded on May 28, 2021, 01:03:10 AM
So - in the interest of potentially increasing the market for a Forum VI model, someone (more senior around here than me!) might make a post on the Facebook Larrivee group(s) and let them know this is happening here and that they'd need to join this group in order to get on board.

Just my $0.02.

I just posted this on the FB group...

Hi folks.  I haven't seen anything here and it was suggested there, so here goes.  Apologies if I'm incomplete with specs or pertinent info.

For quite a few years (predating FB) there has been the Larrivee Forum.  (larriveeforum.com).  It, like this, is a group of Larrivee owners and fans who discuss Larrivee guitars, other guitars, guitar gear, strings, etc., and even a little non guitar-centric stuff.  One of the things they do is come up with "Forum Guitars", Larrivee models with specific woods, special scales, etc.  There have been 5 that have come to fruition, and a couple others that didn't make it to production.  It's a way to bond with players who have similar interests, and get a guitar that is really unique at a really great price.
Anyway...  there is a new one being discussed/debated (lol) now.  An LS 12 fret.  It sounds like a great guitar.  One part of being in on the run is being a forum member.  I'd encourage anyone with even a passing interest to go check out the forum.  It doesn't cost anything, and there is an interesting bunch of folks there.

Hopefully it helps.

Ed


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 28, 2021, 01:36:49 AM
I just posted this on the FB group...
Hi folks.  I haven't seen anything here and it was suggested there, so here goes.  Apologies if I'm incomplete with specs or pertinent info.
For quite a few years (predating FB) there has been the Larrivee Forum.  (larriveeforum.com).  It, like this, is a group of Larrivee owners and fans who discuss Larrivee guitars, other guitars, guitar gear, strings, etc., and even a little non guitar-centric stuff.  One of the things they do is come up with "Forum Guitars", Larrivee models with specific woods, special scales, etc.  There have been 5 that have come to fruition, and a couple others that didn't make it to production.  It's a way to bond with players who have similar interests, and get a guitar that is really unique at a really great price.
Anyway...  there is a new one being discussed/debated (lol) now.  An LS 12 fret.  It sounds like a great guitar.  One part of being in on the run is being a forum member.  I'd encourage anyone with even a passing interest to go check out the forum.  It doesn't cost anything, and there is an interesting bunch of folks there.
Hopefully it helps.
Ed
Ed,
What a great post! I threw a "like" on it, and there is a comment already.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: sdelsolray on May 28, 2021, 01:59:08 AM
The current specs for Forum VI, best as I can figure, are as follows, and of course, feel free to comment, agree/disagree.
We still haven't actually decided anything.

*LS-03 body style, with exact same body dims as Forum III
*Sitka spruce/American walnut
*12 fret
*Regular scale (25.5")
*1-3/4 nut width
*2-1/4 string spacing at bridge
*Maple binding (standard on -03)
*Herringbone rosette (standard on -03)
*Three micro dots 12th fret inlay, no other fretboard markers, with dots on neck edge binding
*Inside label - Forum Guitar VI x of xx
*Standard -03 tuners
*Detached pickguard (loose in case)
*Options - left handed and venetian cutaway
*Standard hardshell case

The body size dimensions are

*Lower bout 15"
*Waist 9 3/4"
*Upper bout 11"
*Depth 4"
*Overall Length 40”

Primary differences from the Forum III
*16 inch fretboard radius
*updated truss rod access
*Made in Oxnard

Mike,

Count me in on one of these, perhaps with a cutaway, with one small caveat - the price needs to be somewhat reasonable.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: markj on May 28, 2021, 02:05:42 AM
I have been away from this place for far too long. I mean, look at what is happening here!  I love it.

Count me in on the current spec with a cutaway.

I also like inlays. ;)


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 28, 2021, 02:44:45 AM
I have been away from this place for far too long. I mean, look at what is happening here!  I love it.
Count me in on the current spec with a cutaway.
I also like inlays. ;)
Mark,
We know about you and inlays... you not only have the 50th T-shirt, you have the guitar!
Got ya down for an LSV.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 28, 2021, 02:56:32 AM
Mike,
Count me in on one of these, perhaps with a cutaway, with one small caveat - the price needs to be somewhat reasonable.
You are counted in, maybe this is your chance to get that 12 fretter?
You are one very experienced and knowledgeable guitar person.
(I look everyone up, and read old posts, it's a habit of mine. A good habit.)
We are all hoping for a good price.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 28, 2021, 03:02:50 AM
I just posted this on the FB group...
Ok, so I have this to say.....
"Selector", on the 12 string. Very, very nice.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: eded on May 28, 2021, 12:29:17 PM
Ok, so I have this to say.....
"Selector", on the 12 string. Very, very nice.
Mike

Thanks. <blush>

Ed


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on May 28, 2021, 03:18:05 PM
Late to the game, but count my interest for an LSV!


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 28, 2021, 04:36:49 PM
Late to the game, but count my interest for an LSV!
Ok, one more 50th T-shirt owner on the fence for an LSV.
Going to make a major leap and assume you are right handed.
The fence sitters now number 18. The fence sitters who have the 50th T-shirt is up to 8.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on May 28, 2021, 05:15:16 PM
^^^Yes, correct-handed.  Thanks!   :cheers


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on May 28, 2021, 06:00:02 PM
Continuing my lateness to the game...I like it spec'd as it stands, but my MINOR comments in case you are still collecting perspectives (and these seem to have been mentioned but not clearly resolved above):

-I despise herringbone.  Would strongly prefer an abalone rosette or even the old simple rings far better.  Will not push me away, but I just think the h'bone vibes from other brands and detracts from Larrivee's place in the acoustic world;
-Walnut top option would be nice, but sitka is classic Larrivee;
-John Jr. seemed to suggest pickups could be an option?  If so, then would be nice to have a simple Baggs VTC or ribbon (or whatever).  Nothing fancy.
-JCL headstock logo is always choice, but again not a deal breaker.

My .02 - thanks!



Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 28, 2021, 06:15:49 PM
Got an update from John Jr.
Bottom line... they need some more time. The main issue is supply chain stuff. They do have a "large UK order that is loaded with walnut".
Matt is working the issue, but will need maybe another week to sort it out.
John did say "we are going to include the VI inlay on the twelfth fret as one of our free upgrades for you included."
Cool, huh?

Also, in sort of a general roundabout way, John asked "what was the consensus on Moonwood vs Sitka."
I looked at all my emails to John, and I never mentioned moonwood. So I think he saw us commenting on it.
So, question, if we were to have talked more about moonwood, what would our concensus have been?
I think I know, but please let's comment on it.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Strings4Him on May 28, 2021, 06:17:35 PM
Moonwood would be nice.


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Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Hooked on May 28, 2021, 06:19:51 PM
 :nana_guitar Looks like it's going to happen! Moonwood is a sweet option, but far from a 'gotta have'.

Great work on this Mike! :bowdown:


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on May 28, 2021, 06:22:21 PM
Sitka, but won't push me away.  Bearclaw would be exquisite.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 28, 2021, 06:34:42 PM
Continuing my lateness to the game...I like it spec'd as it stands, but my MINOR comments in case you are still collecting perspectives (and these seem to have been mentioned but not clearly resolved above):

-I despise herringbone.  Would strongly prefer an abalone rosette or even the old simple rings far better.  Will not push me away, but I just think the h'bone vibes from other brands and detracts from Larrivee's place in the acoustic world;
-Walnut top option would be nice, but sitka is classic Larrivee;
-John Jr. seemed to suggest pickups could be an option?  If so, then would be nice to have a simple Baggs VTC or ribbon (or whatever).  Nothing fancy.
-JCL headstock logo is always choice, but again not a deal breaker.

My .02 - thanks!

Those are good inputs.
The soundhole herringbone came from the stock specs for -03 series guitars.
Will V. mentioned abalone but I don't see anyone else mentioned anything.
On the Larrivee site, the only pickup option seems to be the LR Baggs StagePro Element. But I will ask to make sure.
As a tiny insignificant consideration, since most of us are looking for a guitar that won't kill us moneywise, the spec concentrated on the body style, and the wood, but did not address cosmetics. If it didn't make the guitar sound better, it was stock. Larrivee may well come back and do something for the guitar's looks.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on May 28, 2021, 06:37:10 PM
Sounds good, Mike, and understood.  I do think revisiting h'bone would be great; stagepro element is fine by me if an option.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 28, 2021, 07:21:52 PM
Sounds good, Mike, and understood.  I do think revisiting h'bone would be great; stagepro element is fine by me if an option.  Thanks!

Pickup options.... verbatim from John Jr.

LR Baggs prices range from $300-$400 MSRP. Of course, you won't be paying that much.

1. Stagepro Element single-source
2. Stagepro Anthem dual-source
3. Anthem no-cut dual-source
4. Lyric no-cut single-source
5. iMix no-cut dual-source

Keep asking me more questions...


Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Rockysdad on May 28, 2021, 07:55:58 PM
I'd like Moonwood, I'm also not a Herringbone fan, all my Larrivée's have Abalone around the sound hole.

Nothing's etched in stone  :humour:          I'm open to different ideas.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 28, 2021, 07:57:38 PM
Sitka vs Moonwood.....
Ok, honestly, I do not know about moonwood, except I have played a few Larrivee guitar with that top, but the experience was "cluttered" in that the guitars were 40 series and I didn't know exactly what I was listening to. So someone who has played it and can describe what it does would help a lot.
Does it have the same sort of overtones as sitka? Or is it drier, or brighter? Sustain?
How long does it take to "open up"? Sitka opens up fast on a new guitar.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on May 28, 2021, 08:05:55 PM
My moonwood LV-03 (I gave to my son) was exquisite when new and growing more so over time! I guess that puts me on the moonwood side of the list, but not a deal breaker. I also feel myself faaaalllllliiinnnning off the fence. I hope the price is real good 'cause I'm getting excited.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on May 28, 2021, 08:30:33 PM
I'd like Moonwood, I'm also not a Herringbone fan, all my Larrivée's have Abalone around the sound hole.

Nothing's etched in stone  :humour:          I'm open to different ideas.

Hear hear!  I'd gladly give up my vote for sitka to favor moonwood if it meant no h'bone.  Maybe it works better with a more traditional D or OM body, but not a more modern LS.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on May 28, 2021, 08:52:08 PM
Sorry, but I might've missed info on pickguards. Is clear an option? That's be my choice. When I compare my OM-40 with the tortoise shell and my O-01 with clear, the O-01 just pleases my eye. Actually, it pleases both of my eyes. And a big thanks Mike for all this work.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 28, 2021, 09:04:05 PM
Sorry, but I might've missed info on pickguards. Is clear an option? That's be my choice. When I compare my OM-40 with the tortoise shell and my O-01 with clear, the O-01 just pleases my eye. Actually, it pleases both of my eyes. And a big thanks Mike for all this work.
Tell you the truth, all I considered was having whatever pickguard just tossed in the case. Not installed.
I will ask.
Mine will not have it installed.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 28, 2021, 09:16:43 PM
I'd like Moonwood, I'm also not a Herringbone fan, all my Larrivée's have Abalone around the sound hole.
Nothing's etched in stone  :humour:          I'm open to different ideas.
I get that, and I am going to start recording the preferences for those that speak up.
IMHO, abalone works good with gloss finishes, cause it is a shiny thing.
And abalone, like herringbone, is a "busy" design.
I am not one way or the other.
Maybe Larrivee has some stuff lying around that looks cool.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 28, 2021, 09:25:35 PM
OK, sound hole rosettes....

From John Jr........
"We can make spec changes as long as it is across the board. We don't want to be making multiple versions of the VI guitar.  ie purfling, rosette, etc.  Could do a solid color wood or switch to bold rope, or multi-strip. next question, lol."

Okay, so go and discuss! It's your guitar!
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on May 28, 2021, 09:36:36 PM
OK, sound hole rosettes....

From John Jr........
"...Could do a solid color wood or switch to bold rope, or multi-strip. next question, lol."

Okay, so go and discuss! It's your guitar!
Mike

Solid color wood.  Interesting.  Perhaps walnut as well to match!


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on May 28, 2021, 09:44:42 PM
Solid color wood.  Interesting.  Perhaps walnut as well to match!
Second this!!! That'd be pretty unique, especially with the walnut B & S.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Will V. on May 28, 2021, 09:55:56 PM
Moonwood top sounds great, I don't have one and have never tried one, but I know Jean loves it.

I do not really have a strong preference on inlay, my previous comment about abalone was meant to come across as "minimal or no, if it helps keep down the cost". A special inlay at the 12th fret sounds great. Walnut rosette sounds way cool (perhaps something with walnut and a little abalone?).

I don't have a strong preference on inlay, but a lot of the ideas getting thrown around sound good to me!


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Rockysdad on May 28, 2021, 09:57:16 PM
Second this!!! That'd be pretty unique, especially with the walnut B & S.
I'll third it !!!,
1st - Solid wood
2nd - Abalone
3rd - well, if it has to be, Herringbone lol.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 28, 2021, 10:28:53 PM
Ok.... pickguards.

"Pickguard option is okay. Keep in mind we no longer support clear satin guards. So the option is without and have a tortoise in the case or with. Best to keep the option consistent with all guitars."

The tortoise PG will be supplied loose in the case. It has to be that way. No vote.
Now, unless I read the Larrivee Pro Shop completely wrong, one can still purchase a gloss or satin PG as a replacement for 10 dollars. They were used until 2001, but they are not a factory option for us.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on May 28, 2021, 10:38:28 PM
Okay, with all the new updates, here's my current preferences (with LS body, Walnut b&s, etc.):

Moonwood or Sitka; both work - I'd be good with very nice grained Sitka - and NO BEAR CLAW for me, thanks
Rosette - I'm good with Rope or wood (yes, Walnut would be cool!)
No pickup, no pick guard, so we're good there

I'm assuming those who want a cutaway or pickup will be an upcharge; the rest of us won't...

Thanks, again, Mike and John, Jr.   :bowdown:


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: willynelson13 on May 29, 2021, 12:15:05 AM
Got an update from John Jr.
Bottom line... they need some more time. The main issue is supply chain stuff. They do have a "large UK order that is loaded with walnut".
Matt is working the issue, but will need maybe another week to sort it out.
John did say "we are going to include the VI inlay on the twelfth fret as one of our free upgrades for you included."
Cool, huh?

Also, in sort of a general roundabout way, John asked "what was the consensus on Moonwood vs Sitka."
I looked at all my emails to John, and I never mentioned moonwood. So I think he saw us commenting on it.
So, question, if we were to have talked more about moonwood, what would our concensus have been?
I think I know, but please let's comment on it.
Mike



European Flamed walnut anyone?


(https://www.knightonmusiccentre.com/photos/1577543723-PO9-1101.jpg)


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Hooked on May 29, 2021, 12:21:50 AM
Moonwood or Sitka over Walnut
Herringbone or solid wood rosette (strong preference against abalone)
No pickup
Keeping it simple and (hopefully) affordable


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on May 29, 2021, 12:59:00 AM
Moonwood or Sitka over Walnut
Herringbone or solid wood rosette (strong preference against abalone)
No pickup
Keeping it simple and (hopefully) affordable


I think pickup was one of the three individual level options, along with LH and cutaway.

Also seems we are getting good traction for a walnut rosette.  Several like it independently, and seems to be a middle ground between the abalone lovers and haterz.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on May 29, 2021, 01:01:53 AM

(https://i.imgur.com/sVNSiW6.jpg)

Recent larrivee black walnut on my T44.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: markj on May 29, 2021, 01:59:21 AM
Those are good inputs.
The soundhole herringbone came from the stock specs for -03 series guitars.
Will V. mentioned abalone but I don't see anyone else mentioned anything.
On the Larrivee site, the only pickup option seems to be the LR Baggs StagePro Element. But I will ask to make sure.
As a tiny insignificant consideration, since most of us are looking for a guitar that won't kill us moneywise, the spec concentrated on the body style, and the wood, but did not address cosmetics. If it didn't make the guitar sound better, it was stock. Larrivee may well come back and do something for the guitar's looks.
Mike

I would prefer an abalone rosette as well. Might as well make it shimmer a little. ;)


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 29, 2021, 02:00:11 AM
I think pickup was one of the three individual level options, along with LH and cutaway.
Also seems we are getting good traction for a walnut rosette.  Several like it independently, and seems to be a middle ground between the abalone lovers and haterz.
Options:
LH is no extra charge.
Pickup is extra charge.
LSV with the venetian cutaway is extra charge.
Any model spec changes to the Forum VI guitar will be made to all the guitars.
We are making good progress.
This is fun, even though it actually is a business deal and should be respected as such.
Mike
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: markj on May 29, 2021, 02:03:17 AM
Now that I read past that post, lol, Solid wood rosette does sound intriguing.

And Moonwood is just fine with me. My LV-10 has it and I love it. My OO-40 has sitka and I love it. So, not a deal-breaker either way.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 29, 2021, 02:37:36 AM
Now that I read past that post, lol, Solid wood rosette does sound intriguing.
And Moonwood is just fine with me. My LV-10 has it and I love it. My OO-40 has sitka and I love it. So, not a deal-breaker either way.
Whew.... I thought I was gonna have to do a general post based on a design philosophy, but you are getting it.
I will anyhow just so I can explain my thinking.
The way I see it (and others can not agree) is that the Forum VI is a plain LS-03 guitar built with good wood. Maybe really good.
The solid wood rosette part as opposed to herringbone is a great change. I am happy that discussion is happening. I did not know we could make spec changes to the standard -03 stuff until John Jr. said it. Think it through, maybe there are other changes in trim that might be cool.
There shouldn't be anything visual that shouts out what the Forum VI is. The VI inlay on the 12th fret on an otherwise empty fretboard does the job, like the 3 dots did on the original Forum III.
When you open the case, you should see a nice Larrivee guitar. Nothing visual should overwhelm you that screams "this is really cool".
The really cool part comes when you pick it up and play it.
That's just me, though.
Onwards!
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 29, 2021, 02:51:49 AM
Gonna give this a break till Monday, I have been talking too much.
You all have lots to discuss, maybe new ideas. Who knows.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on May 29, 2021, 07:36:51 AM

When you open the case, you should see a nice Larrivee guitar. Nothing visual should overwhelm you that screams "this is really cool".
The really cool part comes when you pick it up and play it.
In case I was included as being on the fence, I should mention I'm going to pass on this one. For me to get another guitar, it would have to look special. Not expensive, or gaudy, but definitely unique and striking. I don't think the group is looking for quite the same thing I am. And, that's totally ok.
It sounds like there's some solid interest here and I'm excited for you guys! Will be following the progress as it comes together.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on May 29, 2021, 02:35:59 PM

Keeping it simple and (hopefully) affordable


This is important to get the highest number of people in - so everyone may have to "give a little bit" to make this dream a reality.

Larrivee WILL build a guitar to your personal specs if you want something "really unique". But get out your checkbook/VISA card, because the options will add up quickly!


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on May 30, 2021, 12:53:09 AM
Moonwood or Sitka...either is fine with me.
When I visualize this Forum IV guitar, I imagine opening the case and seeing a simple yet elegant walnut inlay around the sound hole, the inlayed IV at the 12th fret, and I think unique. Walnut in my experience is a great tone wood. This will be a very nice guitar. Yep, I want one.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Bard on May 30, 2021, 04:05:15 PM
I love the idea of moonwood provided it doesn’t drive the cost up greatly.
I’m on board with the walnut rosette inlay.
I’m leaning toward a cutaway.

Mike, let me/us know if you need any help and thanks again!


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Rockysdad on May 30, 2021, 05:48:31 PM
Just a thought about the VI inlay at the 12th fret,............. what if it were Walnut as well, I think my L-03 Flamed Maple custom shop ( purchased used ) with its Maple Leaves on the fret board look nice. ( not suggesting Maple Leaves but a VI in Walnut.

pics for reference in an earlier post regarding inlays. (#157)



Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Paraclete on May 30, 2021, 06:38:12 PM
I’d be okay with either Sitka or moonwood.  No particular preference on the soundhole rosette. Would want no-cut dual source pickup, no pickguard.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 30, 2021, 07:19:28 PM
Just a thought about the VI inlay at the 12th fret,............. what if it were Walnut as well, I think my L-03 Flamed Maple custom shop ( purchased used ) with its Maple Leaves on the fret board look nice. ( not suggesting Maple Leaves but a VI in Walnut.
pics for reference in an earlier post regarding inlays. (#157)
I was going to do outside stuff today, but it has been raining, argh.
Anyhow, I think a walnut VI at the 12th would look cool. I never thought about it.
My laurel guitars have a wood headstock inlay that I like.
You know, the black walnut leaf sets are cool looking, dang it, I wish money were no object.
Maybe the Larrivee logo could be walnut.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 30, 2021, 07:29:21 PM
I’d be okay with either Sitka or moonwood.  No particular preference on the soundhole rosette. Would want no-cut dual source pickup, no pickguard.
Ok, you are listed as sitka or moonwood. I took the liberty of putting walnut rosette, cause that's where we seem to be heading.
Pickup..... assuming you would prefer the Anthem over Imix, cause the Imix has a metal box that gets attached to the back of the guitar on the inside with velcro and it looks horrible and can come loose and the soundhole controls look like garbage. Of course you get to make the decision when order time comes, not trying to influence you  either way. If I were to get a pickup on my VI, it would be the no-cut dual source Anthem.
https://www.larrivee.com/pickups for the pickup page.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 30, 2021, 07:32:40 PM
Ok, this is trivial housekeeping stuff, but I thought I would share a pic of the spreadsheet. Click to enlarge.
Still waiting for a few of us the check back in on the rosette and top wood stuff.
Those of us in blue are on the fence.
If you see anything needing to be corrected, let me know.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 30, 2021, 08:50:28 PM
Preamp Reinforcement
On nearly all Larrivees, there is a patch on the inside of the upper bout where the barn door preamp is installed, as a reinforcement.
It doesn't hurt anything to have it there, but if no one is going to get a barn door preamp pickup, then we may be able to not have that installed.
Of course, that particular decision will come later, and maybe Larrivee will prefer to install it, in case one of us wants to cut a hole in our VI later on.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on May 30, 2021, 09:04:11 PM
Ok, this is trivial housekeeping stuff, but I thought I would share a pic of the spreadsheet. Click to enlarge.
Still waiting for a few of us the check back in on the rosette and top wood stuff.
Those of us in blue are on the fence.
If you see anything needing to be corrected, let me know.
Mike
Put me down for the dual source anthem in the appropriate column, please and thank you!
Everything else looks good except that blue "on the fence" thing. Is there another color for barely on the fence anymore? 


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on May 30, 2021, 09:12:01 PM
Preamp Reinforcement
On nearly all Larrivees, there is a patch on the inside of the upper bout where the barn door preamp is installed, as a reinforcement.
It doesn't hurt anything to have it there, but if no one is going to get a barn door preamp pickup, then we may be able to not have that installed.
Of course, that particular decision will come later, and maybe Larrivee will prefer to install it, in case one of us wants to cut a hole in our VI later on.
Mike

I would agree that if we can ditch the wooden patch on the inside of the upper bout we should do so. Very few people these days are using the old style preamps that require a hole in the side of their guitar, and on ANY solid wood guitar, it seems like a crime (with today's technology) to cut a hole in it, unless it was designed as a sound port to begin with.

Besides, on some of the lefties I've owned, that wooden patch was on the side of the body for right-handed players, so when I'm holding the guitar, I can see it through the soundhole...butt ugly.

JMHO...

 :smile:


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 30, 2021, 09:18:02 PM
I would agree that if we can ditch the wooden patch on the inside of the upper bout we should do so. Very few people these days are using the old style preamps that require a hole in the side of their guitar, and on ANY solid wood guitar, it seems like a crime (with today's technology) to cut a hole in it, unless it was designed as a sound port to begin with.

Besides, on some of the lefties I've owned, that wooden patch was on the side of the body for right-handed players, so when I'm holding the guitar, I can see it through the soundhole...butt ugly.

JMHO...

 :smile:
It is actually a fiber material, Matt wrote about it awhile back and I copied it, but can't find the reference just now.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Hooked on May 30, 2021, 09:40:33 PM
I garontee (Cajun spelling) that I'll not have a barn door cut in my F-VI.

And I'm a rightie, for your spreadsheet.

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Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 30, 2021, 10:21:01 PM
I garontee (Cajun spelling) that I'll not have a barn door cut in my F-VI.
And I'm a rightie, for your spreadsheet.
Noted. RH.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 30, 2021, 11:37:28 PM
Put me down for the dual source anthem in the appropriate column, please and thank you!
Everything else looks good except that blue "on the fence" thing. Is there another color for barely on the fence anymore? 
Pickup noted.
Nope, nothing other than "on the fence" blue.
Reason.... Larrivee has not committed to the walnut, we don't know what they will add to the guitar on their own, and we don't know a price.
Love your enthusiasm, though.
Heck, we are still talking about things that we may like to see on the VI, so, in that regard, a delay on Larrivee's part is a good thing for us.
It is all good fun. Serious fun, but good fun.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Frasier1 on May 30, 2021, 11:43:43 PM
Ok, this is trivial housekeeping stuff, but I thought I would share a pic of the spreadsheet. Click to enlarge.
Still waiting for a few of us the check back in on the rosette and top wood stuff.
Those of us in blue are on the fence.
If you see anything needing to be corrected, let me know.
Mike


So glad to still see this moving forward and thanks to you Mike!!

For 'Frasier1' I would take the following:
LSV - RH - Moonwood - Walnut - Venetian - Wood (Walnut) - Roman VI - Long - Tortoise in case - Anthem no cut


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: eded on May 30, 2021, 11:59:52 PM
It is actually a fiber material, Matt wrote about it awhile back and I copied it, but can't find the reference just now.
Mike

Not that I have a “dog in the fight”, but I’d bet with the automated phases of manufacturing, it would be tough to omit that piece.

Ed


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on May 31, 2021, 12:28:20 AM
Pickup noted.
Nope, nothing other than "on the fence" blue.
Reason.... Larrivee has not committed to the walnut, we don't know what they will add to the guitar on their own, and we don't know a price.
Love your enthusiasm, though.
Heck, we are still talking about things that we may like to see on the VI, so, in that regard, a delay on Larrivee's part is a good thing for us.
It is all good fun. Serious fun, but good fun.
Mike
Good points, and my very real enthusiasm is also tied to where I "hope" the price range ends up. But the way this is trending has me excited. This is growing into a guitar I'd really like to own.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 31, 2021, 02:19:58 AM
Good points, and my very real enthusiasm is also tied to where I "hope" the price range ends up. But the way this is trending has me excited. This is growing into a guitar I'd really like to own.
I am 100 percent in agreement with you. When Rockysdad mentioned the walnut VI, there was a whole other world opened up for me mentally.
Larrivee has created runs of 50 or so, that have all kinds of special things that did not cost that much.
I am hoping that when we get some more definition from Larrivee, that maybe some more people hop on board.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 31, 2021, 02:27:36 AM
Not that I have a “dog in the fight”, but I’d bet with the automated phases of manufacturing, it would be tough to omit that piece.
Ed
Ed, you may be right.
Larrivee may consider the elimination of the reinforcement a "structural change" which John has stated structural changes will not be approved.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 31, 2021, 02:30:30 AM
So glad to still see this moving forward and thanks to you Mike!!
For 'Frasier1' I would take the following:
LSV - RH - Moonwood - Walnut - Venetian - Wood (Walnut) - Roman VI - Long - Tortoise in case - Anthem no cut
I like your easy to understand response, and all noted.
Probably will post the spreadsheet every few days, just so we can keep track of ourselves together.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on May 31, 2021, 11:27:50 AM
I am 100 percent in agreement with you. When Rockysdad mentioned the walnut VI, there was a whole other world opened up for me mentally.
Larrivee has created runs of 50 or so, that have all kinds of special things that did not cost that much.
I am hoping that when we get some more definition from Larrivee, that maybe some more people hop on board.
Mike
Several years ago now, but I can't help but remembering how reasonably priced my LV-03 RE-IAS "special run" guitar was from Wildwood Music. Marty and Don were special themselves.
Has there been discussion here about the bracing that I missed? I absolutely love the sound of my OM-40. Or is it that the 03 designation means it would automatically default to the traditional bracing of that series?


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on May 31, 2021, 02:01:54 PM
Several years ago now, but I can't help but remembering how reasonably priced my LV-03 RE-IAS "special run" guitar was from Wildwood Music. Marty and Don were special themselves.
Has there been discussion here about the bracing that I missed? I absolutely love the sound of my OM-40. Or is it that the 03 designation means it would automatically default to the traditional bracing of that series?

Not sure if Larrivee does the L with 12 frets and 40 bracing at the same time. Being that it's an LS, might want to go with a proven performer in the standard bracing.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on May 31, 2021, 03:48:30 PM
Not sure if Larrivee does the L with 12 frets and 40 bracing at the same time. Being that it's an LS, might want to go with a proven performer in the standard bracing.
I'm perfectly fine with either. Have them both, like them both. Long scale 12 fret Legacy bracing might be an interesting combo.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 31, 2021, 06:09:14 PM
Sitka vs Moonwood
I told John I had no idea from my limited experience with moonwood, and could he provide a commentary......

"When comparing to Sitka... The European High-Alpine Spruce (Moonwood), produces a little more tonal clarity with punchiness and articulation. Almost percussive in nature. The differences are subtle and not extreme. But they are there and they are wonderful. There is no wrong choice in whatever you folks decide."

Anytime someone from Larrivee says something is wonderful, that's a wonderful thing.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Rockysdad on May 31, 2021, 08:00:18 PM
Sitka vs Moonwood
I told John I had no idea from my limited experience with moonwood, and could he provide a commentary......

"When comparing to Sitka... The European High-Alpine Spruce (Moonwood), produces a little more tonal clarity with punchiness and articulation. Almost percussive in nature. The differences are subtle and not extreme. But they are there and they are wonderful. There is no wrong choice in whatever you folks decide."

Anytime someone from Larrivee says something is wonderful, that's a wonderful thing.
Mike

I guess it'll come down to $$$


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on May 31, 2021, 11:10:01 PM
I guess it'll come down to $$$
Humble opinion, modestly offered....
I say we roll with moonwood.
mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mattwood on June 01, 2021, 12:15:26 AM
Mike, put me down for moonwood or sitka and walnut instead of herringbone for the rosette. I wasn't involved in the Forum III guitar and a question I have is was there one price that Larrivee charged for that model or did it vary by guitar?


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 01, 2021, 01:43:35 AM
Mike, put me down for moonwood or sitka and walnut instead of herringbone for the rosette. I wasn't involved in the Forum III guitar and a question I have is was there one price that Larrivee charged for that model or did it vary by guitar?
Please go read below link..... it is all there. But there were three variations on the guitar with venetian cutaway (extra cost) and herringbone body purfling (extra cost) options.
http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=24123.msg212926#msg212926
We will have one single model, with no cost left hand version and an extra cost venetian cutaway.
Pickups cost extra.
(Edit).... I was not involved in the Forum III. I joined this group 2-1/2 years after the Forum III were delivered. I have played one, however.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on June 01, 2021, 11:00:28 AM
There appears to have been 78 Forum III guitars built, many of which hit the resale market in the years to follow. I wasn't a member back then so I have no idea how the enthusiasm built as the process grew, nor do I have any experience with a III guitar, so no telling if I'd have jumped onboard. I'm really interested in this potential and similar build not only for the body size, but the for combinations that are evolving. Moonwood over walnut with a walnut rosette and the VI inlay offered up by John. I'm a bit surprised there isn't more interest.     


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Denis on June 01, 2021, 12:42:52 PM
Not sure if Larrivee does the L with 12 frets and 40 bracing at the same time. Being that it's an LS, might want to go with a proven performer in the standard bracing.

I had a custom LV-03 made with 12 frets and 40 series bracing.  I've had it for almost 4 years and it's amazing. 


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on June 01, 2021, 02:43:33 PM
I had a custom LV-03 made with 12 frets and 40 series bracing.  I've had it for almost 4 years and it's amazing. 


Yes - Larrivee did make some L models with the 40 series bracing (and evidently somehow adapted it for a 12-fret neck for you)...

...don't know if they've every done it on an LS body, though...


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: musicrowscott on June 01, 2021, 03:37:33 PM
I'm good with either top...more excitement with moonwood. LOVE the walnut rosette idea, so put me in that camp.

Cheers,

SS


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 01, 2021, 03:39:41 PM
There appears to have been 78 Forum III guitars built, many of which hit the resale market in the years to follow. I wasn't a member back then so I have no idea how the enthusiasm built as the process grew, nor do I have any experience with a III guitar, so no telling if I'd have jumped onboard. I'm really interested in this potential and similar build not only for the body size, but the for combinations that are evolving. Moonwood over walnut with a walnut rosette and the VI inlay offered up by John. I'm a bit surprised there isn't more interest.     
Interest may pick up once we get past the "complete specification and dollar cost" stage.
Not all the threads pertaining to the Forum III are listed on the Wiki page. I had to go search for them, because I saw them mentioned.
The "Forum Guitar III Order Thread" (http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=24132.0) is really enlightening, as there were people who had never posted who ended up ordering a Forum III. The order thread was open for just over a month (Dec 2008 to Jan 2009) and the number of last minute orders was surprising.

The overall discussion thread of the Forum III ran hundred of pages and thousands of posts, yet I don't think anyone could have predicted how many would get ordered. I think we are doing well.

LawDogStrgsAttach was in on the general discussion back then, and unsurprisingly, didn't like herringbone then either  :bgrin:
Mike




Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 01, 2021, 03:42:13 PM
I'm good with either top...more excitement with moonwood. LOVE the walnut rosette idea, so put me in that camp.
Cheers,
SS
Scott, Thanks for the check-in. Preferences noted!
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on June 01, 2021, 03:47:01 PM
...don't know if they've every done it on an LS body, though...

I think that's the important thing to keep in mind. I'm not sure how many here have played a shallow body acoustic but it really changes the vibe. Very immediate and articulate with a bit less influence from the 'box'. The 40 series bracing is, as the name implies, more traditional, meant to carry some of the qualities of other makers. The shallow body is something I more associate with more articulate tones, and hence why the shallow body style is popular in flamenco/salsa/latin pop and some other rhythmic styles. We know it compliments Larrivee's standard bracing, which I have always felt was classically inspired and has a more balanced presentation than 'traditional' (Martin) acoustics. 40 with 12 frets and LS to boot carries a big question mark around it. Would probably be good to as the Larrivees themselves if they've ever experiments with this or if they had thoughts on this combo.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: nak on June 01, 2021, 03:55:01 PM
Yes - Larrivee did make some L models with the 40 series bracing (and evidently somehow adapted it for a 12-fret neck for you)...

...don't know if they've every done it on an LS body, though...

Larrivee did a special order for Jason at Notable Guitars. Think it was in 2015.
It was an LS-03, 12 fret, with 40 bracing, silver oak b/s.
You can view it at notableguitars.com


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Hooked on June 01, 2021, 04:15:25 PM
I was sure that Jason (Notable Guitars) had closed his doors, despite still having a Facebook page and website showing Larrivee inventory. Just tried their phone number - busy/disconnected signal.

Too bad. He ran a great shop.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: nak on June 01, 2021, 04:27:57 PM
I was sure that Jason (Notable Guitars) had closed his doors, despite still having a Facebook page and website showing Larrivee inventory. Just tried their phone number - busy/disconnected signal.

Too bad. He ran a great shop.

Yes, Notable Guitars has been closed for a few years now. Bought my first Larrivee from Jason.
I noted his website, if someone wanted to see the acoustic and specs on a guitar that I've been trying to acquire.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 01, 2021, 05:11:30 PM
Notable.... I went looking for that LS-03 nak mentioned, but couldn't find it.
But did come across the old Koa Spice guitars. See pic of the headstock inlay. This is the same inlay pattern Larrivee has used on a number of guitars, including the RS-4 Forum V, tho that was abalone. Is this worth considering? The rest of the Koa had "deluxe" inlays like a 10 series guitar, all in wood, but it did look kinda busy.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: nak on June 01, 2021, 05:30:57 PM
Notable.... I went looking for that LS-03 nak mentioned, but couldn't find it.
But did come across the old Koa Spice guitars. See pic of the headstock inlay. This is the same inlay pattern Larrivee has used on a number of guitars, including the RS-4 Forum V, tho that was abalone. Is this worth considering? The rest of the Koa had "deluxe" inlays like a 10 series guitar, all in wood, but it did look kinda busy.
Mike

Try this:
http://www.notableguitars.com/NotableGuitarsSpecialEditions.html


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: gtrplayer on June 01, 2021, 07:00:39 PM
Notable.... I went looking for that LS-03 nak mentioned, but couldn't find it.
But did come across the old Koa Spice guitars. See pic of the headstock inlay. This is the same inlay pattern Larrivee has used on a number of guitars, including the RS-4 Forum V, tho that was abalone. Is this worth considering? The rest of the Koa had "deluxe" inlays like a 10 series guitar, all in wood, but it did look kinda busy.
Mike

I almost bought one of these from Jason which was a take on the Larrivee 45th Anniversary model, Larrivee LV-10E 45th Anniversary.  Silver Oak is a nice tonewood that lies somewhere between maple and mahogany.  The headstock torch inlay was very nice touch. 


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on June 01, 2021, 07:07:38 PM

But did come across the old Koa Spice guitars. See pic of the headstock inlay. This is the same inlay pattern Larrivee has used on a number of guitars, including the RS-4 Forum V, tho that was abalone. Is this worth considering? The rest of the Koa had "deluxe" inlays like a 10 series guitar, all in wood, but it did look kinda busy.


I like that headstock inlay, BUT, I know what that will do to the price...which means we will start losing orders.

Interesting to see the LS with 40 series bracing guitars that were done for Notable. So we know that option is possible.

At some point we may need to ask a "philosophical" question:

"Do we want this guitar to be rooted in Larrivee's traditional/unique specs, like its parallel bracing, or do we want a guitar that moves away from Larrivee tradition by a number of degrees (different bracing, 12-fret neck, etc.)." 

After all, someone can order a Martin (or many other Martin clones) with Martin style/40 Series bracing, but this IS a "LARRIVEE Forum" guitar - so what do we want it to be? And the guitar is going to get some of that bass emphasis anyway from the position of the bridge with a 12-fret neck...so how many mods like that do we need?

Just my two cents...carry on.

 :coffee :donut


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on June 01, 2021, 11:06:23 PM
Great discussions usually lead to good results. Glad I asked about bracing. I'm good either way as I know this guitar will sound great, and like a Larrivee, no matter which of their two patterns are used. Perhaps John Jr. might add his comments, as well.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 01, 2021, 11:27:48 PM
Great discussions usually lead to good results. Glad I asked about bracing. I'm good either way as I know this guitar will sound great, and like a Larrivee, no matter which of their two patterns are used. Perhaps John Jr. might add his comments, as well.
I am glad you asked about the bracing as well. Look at what we have learned in just few hours.
On the other hand, I am going to take back all my comments about headstock inlays.
It is like this, although maple leaves look fantastic in their many colors during the fall (thus justifying a brownish wood inlay), the predominant color of the walnut leaf is green. In the fall they are just dead leaves, no colorful glory. I reflected on this while looking at the laurel guitar headstock inlay. Brown leaves. The live laurel leaf is beautiful, and green.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Frasier1 on June 02, 2021, 12:16:08 AM
Try this:
http://www.notableguitars.com/NotableGuitarsSpecialEditions.html



I have #1/10 and to me it is absolutely phenomenal.  It was because of the Forum III that piqued my interest in the LS body and because of the one I have that has interested me in the F-VI, especially with walnut and cutaway.  If this build was to go the way of the -40 bracing I would probably still be on board,  although I'm still in favor of the standard bracing - only because I have the -40. 


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on June 02, 2021, 12:42:16 AM
I echo Frasier1 said in that what appeals most to me about this proposed VI is the LS body size, the 12 frets to the body and the walnut B&S and rosette. I have a -40 series already and while I wouldn't mind another (it's that good), I wouldn't mind a standard Larrivee braced guitar. If I could find one of their oval hole mandolins to compliment my F33 I'd be a pretty happy boy!  


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mattwood on June 02, 2021, 12:50:36 AM
So Mike, when I initially mentioned the 40 series bracing you dismissed it out of hand.  Are you now considering it an option?


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 02, 2021, 12:52:58 AM
You all should know, I have asked John if it would be possible to produce our guitar with 40 series bracing.
Since the subject is coming up in the forum, I have to ask John about it. The Forum VI is the group's guitar.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 02, 2021, 01:01:25 AM
So Mike, when I initially mentioned the 40 series bracing you dismissed it out of hand.  Are you now considering it an option?
I apologize for my response back then. We know more now than we did then.
I dismissed it because I did not consider it an option. I did not know the LS had been made in 40 series bracing.
To your question in particular, no, I am not personally considering it as an option.
But this is not MY guitar. It is the Forum's guitar. I am going to see this through, no matter what.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 02, 2021, 01:11:24 AM
Ok, this was a fast response....
I asked.... word for word here.....
"Ok, this is coming up, so I may as well ask....
Would it be possible to produce this guitar with 40 series bracing?
Notable did a limited run of the LS-03 with 40 series bracing a few
years back and forum members are intrigued."


and John's answer... complete, total, verbatim....
"You bet. I think it's a great idea"

Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Frasier1 on June 02, 2021, 01:50:57 AM
Ok, this was a fast response....
I asked.... word for word here.....
"Ok, this is coming up, so I may as well ask....
Would it be possible to produce this guitar with 40 series bracing?
Notable did a limited run of the LS-03 with 40 series bracing a few
years back and forum members are intrigued."


and John's answer... complete, total, verbatim....
"You bet. I think it's a great idea"

Mike


Just throwing this out there, if it does go to the Legacy bracing then the shape of the headstock may come to play (?) though that shouldn't be a big deal.  For the Legacy bracing they use the squared off headstock - on the Notable Special Edition they used the traditional rounded headstock. 


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: teh on June 02, 2021, 02:10:41 AM
Regarding specs, here are my updates from my original post to fill in gaps based on the rest of the group’s preferences.

Sitka or Moonwood for the top and walnut back and sides (I’ll be interested to if they use Claro, Peruvian, Black Walnut or some other variation)
Solid headstock is fine
Herringbone or walnut rosette instead of abalone
No electronics
VI inlay at 12th fret
My preference is a 12 fret vs 14 fret neck
Depending on the final price, i may want to add a Venetian cutaway. This would like nice on the stand next to my 12 string.

I don’t think I missed anything on my list.



Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 02, 2021, 02:40:41 AM
Regarding specs, here are my updates from my original post to fill in gaps based on the rest of the group’s preferences.
Sitka or Moonwood for the top and walnut back and sides (I’ll be interested to if they use Claro, Peruvian, Black Walnut or some other variation)
Solid headstock is fine
Herringbone or walnut rosette instead of abalone
No electronics
VI inlay at 12th fret
My preference is a 12 fret vs 14 fret neck
Depending on the final price, i may want to add a Venetian cutaway. This would like nice on the stand next to my 12 string.
I don’t think I missed anything on my list.
teh,
Thanks for the check-in and update, only a couple or three left out in the wilderness.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 02, 2021, 02:53:45 AM
Just throwing this out there, if it does go to the Legacy bracing then the shape of the headstock may come to play (?) though that shouldn't be a big deal.  For the Legacy bracing they use the squared off headstock - on the Notable Special Edition they used the traditional rounded headstock.
Well I guess that depends. We have not brought the headstock into play here. The question in play (forgive me) is, do we want an LS-03 with 40 series bracing, or do we want to change the model to an LS-40 in walnut? Or maybe, that is not a good question. Maybe someone else can phrase this. All I know is John said we could do 40 series bracing.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Frasier1 on June 02, 2021, 03:11:02 AM
To me an LS-03 with -40 bracing and an LS-40 are two of the same?!!  Maybe I'm missing your intended point of the models?


Well I guess that depends. We have not brought the headstock into play here. The question in play (forgive me) is, do we want an LS-03 with 40 series bracing, or do we want to change the model to an LS-40 in walnut? Or maybe, that is not a good question. Maybe someone else can phrase this. All I know is John said we could do 40 series bracing.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Rockysdad on June 02, 2021, 03:21:29 AM
As far as bracing goes,......... I think I'd prefer standard Larrivée bracing, like in 03, 05, 09 & 10 series.

I'm not familiar with the 40 series bracing I've never played one.

The LS body, Walnut back & sides with 12 fret would be enough of a change from my existing Larrivée guitars.

This is my own preference, due to the unknown.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 02, 2021, 04:43:12 AM
Ok, this was a fast response....
I asked.... word for word here.....
"Ok, this is coming up, so I may as well ask....
Would it be possible to produce this guitar with 40 series bracing?
Notable did a limited run of the LS-03 with 40 series bracing a few
years back and forum members are intrigued."

and John's answer... complete, total, verbatim....
"You bet. I think it's a great idea"
Mike
Not to be a jerk or anything, but I have replied to John on his answer, and asked for more commentary.
Initially I asked "would it be possible". Seems the answer is yes. I want to know why John thinks it would be a good idea.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: markj on June 02, 2021, 07:58:42 AM
I have a OO-40. I love it.

I do have a slight preference for traditional bracing for this forum LS-03. But having 40 series bracing is certainly not a deal killer for me.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 02, 2021, 01:37:50 PM
I have #1/10 and to me it is absolutely phenomenal.  It was because of the Forum III that piqued my interest in the LS body and because of the one I have that has interested me in the F-VI, especially with walnut and cutaway.  If this build was to go the way of the -40 bracing I would probably still be on board,  although I'm still in favor of the standard bracing - only because I have the -40. 
I should have snapped to this when you said you have one of the Notable LS-03.
On your Notable LS-03, what is the depth of the body at the lower bout?
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on June 02, 2021, 02:39:45 PM
I can go either way on the bracing - if John Jr. says it's a good idea, I trust his first hand experience.

I'd still want to stick with the traditional curved Larrivee headstock - I just think a Martin-style headstock on a Larrivee body looks odd. It's fine on a Larrivee 40 Series OM or dread, but on the L - it's just wrong.

 :wacko:


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Hooked on June 02, 2021, 02:53:41 PM
I have an OM-40, so the traditional Larrivee bracing would be my preference, just to hear the difference. But not a deal-breaker in any case. Looking forward to hearing ballpark pricing. :whistling:


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 02, 2021, 03:01:51 PM
I can go either way on the bracing - if John Jr. says it's a good idea, I trust his first hand experience.

I'd still want to stick with the traditional curved Larrivee headstock - I just think a Martin-style headstock on a Larrivee body looks odd. It's fine on a Larrivee 40 Series OM or dread, but on the L - it's just wrong.
I could not say myself from any kind of experience what 40 series bracing would do to the Forum VI.
The Notable LS was different enough in woods and scale that the 40 series bracing might have made sense.
Also, that is why I asked Cliff for the body depth of his Notable. The Forum VI will be 4 inches.

The 40 bracing idea is intriguing, but it really would be sort of an experiment, in my humble opinion.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 02, 2021, 03:13:37 PM
John just replied about this, verbatim and total.
40 series bracing....You guys are looking for something special and unique. Adding the scalloped hybrid bracing to an LS-03 makes it that much more unique. Therefore I think it is a great idea. Besides, adding a little extra low end (40 bracing) to a smaller body is also a great idea.

Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on June 02, 2021, 03:41:25 PM
Reading John's comments on the scalloped hybrid bracing has me hoping this is the route we end up taking. I understand the sentiment for "traditional", and I'll only add that the first time I played one of the OM-40 series, and after owning a traditional L, my first response was "WOW!". It was, and still is, a Larrivee immediately. The balanced sound is still there and remarkable, as of course is the build quality. To my ears, at least, it was like a bit of an acoustical awakening. Almost like a measurable refinement. Love them both. If I could only have one, it'd probably be the scalloped hybrid based only on my limited experience.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Will V. on June 02, 2021, 04:38:50 PM
I'd vote for the new bracing. The traditioal Larrivee bracing is what I have on my current Larrivees, and it's all I've ever known on a Larrivee. That's not a bad thing at all, but I'm for making this guitar something different and taking John's advice in this regard.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 02, 2021, 06:07:26 PM
Bracing....
Ok, I have added another column on the spreadsheet.
So far, we have two votes for hybrid (40 series), the other I will call standard (X bracing)
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Strings4Him on June 02, 2021, 06:26:39 PM
40 series bracing sounds nice to me.


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Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on June 02, 2021, 07:10:20 PM

John just replied about this, verbatim and total.
40 series bracing....You guys are looking for something special and unique. Adding the scalloped hybrid bracing to an LS-03 makes it that much more unique. Therefore I think it is a great idea. Besides, adding a little extra low end (40 bracing) to a smaller body is also a great idea.



I trust John Jr's judgment and experience. The only thing NOT addressed is the fact that the 12-fret neck will also likely add some low end (unless I'm totally out to lunch!); or at least more resonance because the bridge has been moved to the center of the lower bout.

One reason the combination of these two elements *could be* a good thing on an LS is that Walnut, in my experience, is not a very "bassy" wood; it is more transparent, like Maple. So *my assumption* is that the 40 Series bracing/12-fret neck combination will be a strong compliment to the smaller LS body made of Walnut.

How am I doing so far?  :rolleye:

IOW, I'm good with 40 Series bracing (but still would like a traditional Larrivee rounded headstock on a Larrivee LS body...but I won't let this be a deal breaker).


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Rockysdad on June 02, 2021, 08:23:46 PM
 :crying: :crying:  My head hurts.  :? :? Decisions, decisions.  :wacko: :wacko:


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 02, 2021, 09:14:58 PM
I trust John Jr's judgment and experience. The only thing NOT addressed is the fact that the 12-fret neck will also likely add some low end (unless I'm totally out to lunch!); or at least more resonance because the bridge has been moved to the center of the lower bout.

One reason the combination of these two elements *could be* a good thing on an LS is that Walnut, in my experience, is not a very "bassy" wood; it is more transparent, like Maple. So *my assumption* is that the 40 Series bracing/12-fret neck combination will be a strong compliment to the smaller LS body made of Walnut.

How am I doing so far?  :rolleye:

IOW, I'm good with 40 Series bracing (but still would like a traditional Larrivee rounded headstock on a Larrivee LS body...but I won't let this be a deal breaker).
You are at least trying to sort it out, which is good. Preference noted.
I am really happy this came up now rather than later. I would have felt really bad if anyone made a decision based on incomplete information.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 02, 2021, 09:16:39 PM
:crying: :crying:  My head hurts.  :? :? Decisions, decisions.  :wacko: :wacko:
Herman,
Take your time.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: jazzereh on June 02, 2021, 10:58:06 PM
It seem like this is really coming together.  I would take the comments of the builder, John in this case, when it comes to the bracing.  I don't have any experience with the different styles, so, yes, go with the hybrid for a special and unique guitar.  That's what we are after, isn't it?



Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: markj on June 02, 2021, 11:05:05 PM
I like special and unique!

(https://i.postimg.cc/WzBqRyYH/LV10-Tree-Shot.jpg)

 :winkin:


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 02, 2021, 11:08:48 PM
I like special and unique!
 :winkin:
Mark,
You need to say specifically what you prefer, and not make me sort of follow the gingerbread trail.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 02, 2021, 11:25:23 PM
It seem like this is really coming together.  I would take the comments of the builder, John in this case, when it comes to the bracing.  I don't have any experience with the different styles, so, yes, go with the hybrid for a special and unique guitar.  That's what we are after, isn't it?
I am glad you popped up. I noted the preference.
However I do see you have not yet weighed in on the sitka vs moonwood, or the solid wood vs herringbone rosette.
Critical stuff here!
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Frasier1 on June 02, 2021, 11:40:36 PM
I should have snapped to this when you said you have one of the Notable LS-03.
On your Notable LS-03, what is the depth of the body at the lower bout?
Mike


Mike,

I just measured and it is 4.25 inches measured from the bottom and 15 1/8 across the lower bout.

I initially was interested due to the traditional parallel bracing being that I have an LS with -40 bracing, but knowing
what I know, if I didn't have a -40 braced guitar that is definitely what I would be looking for, especially in an LS body.
I actually wanted to state this earlier but didn't want to sound arrogant, and still don't!

I'm looking forward to this still!



Reading John's comments on the scalloped hybrid bracing has me hoping this is the route we end up taking. I understand the sentiment for "traditional", and I'll only add that the first time I played one of the OM-40 series, and after owning a traditional L, my first response was "WOW!". It was, and still is, a Larrivee immediately. The balanced sound is still there and remarkable, as of course is the build quality. To my ears, at least, it was like a bit of an acoustical awakening. Almost like a measurable refinement. Love them both. If I could only have one, it'd probably be the scalloped hybrid based only on my limited experience.


So very well said Riverbend!




Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mattwood on June 03, 2021, 12:17:56 AM
My preference is for the 40 series bracing as I have a couple with the standard bracing.  I will say that the standard bracing still has a lot of bass response on my C-03R TE which I think is due to it being a 12 fret guitar.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: jazzereh on June 03, 2021, 12:46:07 AM
I am glad you popped up. I noted the preference.
However I do see you have not yet weighed in on the sitka vs moonwood, or the solid wood vs herringbone rosette.
Critical stuff here!
Mike

Sorry, figured that was somewhat worked out as well but I'm in for the moonwood, again given what John Jr had to say, and the solid wood rosette.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: teh on June 03, 2021, 02:56:44 AM
I am good with 40 series bracing too and even though I haven’t met him, I trust John’s judgment and experitise; after all it’s his name on the headstock and label too. I have two keepers with my maple parlor and custom 12 string and an LS model would fit nicely between my parlor and my 000. From my perspective, the whole intent behind a Forum guitar is to be prepared to compromise and we all want the same thing. A quality instrument that is both affordable and a bit unique.

When I ordered my two customs, my 12 string and my 000, I had very specific requirements and I was prepared to pay extra and wait. In both instances, I got exactly what I asked for and was and still remain 100% satisfied with both finished products. I priced out a 00-18 model with sinker mahogany top, back and sides from Martin but I am intrigued by this Forum guitar and want to see how it plays out.

I also spent a lot of time at Trinity Guitars when the Forum III was being designed and built since I was only 30 minutes from Jim’s shop. Between my son and me, we purchased 7 guitars from Jim and Bill before he closed and I miss my trips to Jamestown.







Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 03, 2021, 02:59:52 AM
My preference is for the 40 series bracing as I have a couple with the standard bracing.  I will say that the standard bracing still has a lot of bass response on my C-03R TE which I think is due to it being a 12 fret guitar.
I got it down. Thank for helping to elevate the issue.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 03, 2021, 03:01:30 AM
Sorry, figured that was somewhat worked out as well but I'm in for the moonwood, again given what John Jr had to say, and the solid wood rosette.
All noted. I have to make sure of stuff, otherwise you all might make fun of me.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 03, 2021, 03:05:29 AM
I am good with 40 series bracing too and even though I haven’t met him, I trust John’s judgment and experitise; after all it’s his name on the headstock and label too. I have two keepers with my maple parlor and custom 12 string and an LS model would fit nicely between my parlor and my 000. From my perspective, the whole intent behind a Forum guitar is to be prepared to compromise and we all want the same thing. A quality instrument that is both affordable and a bit unique.

When I ordered my two customs, my 12 string and my 000, I had very specific requirements and I was prepared to pay extra and wait. In both instances, I got exactly what I asked for and was and still remain 100% satisfied with both finished products. I priced out a 00-18 model with sinker mahogany top, back and sides from Martin but I am intrigued by this Forum guitar and want to see how it plays out.

I also spent a lot of time at Trinity Guitars when the Forum III was being designed and built since I was only 30 minutes from Jim’s shop. Between my son and me, we purchased 7 guitars from Jim and Bill before he closed and I miss my trips to Jamestown.
That is a good post, with good background opinions. I appreciate it.
Your preferences are recorded.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 03, 2021, 03:11:05 AM

Mike,

I just measured and it is 4.25 inches measured from the bottom and 15 1/8 across the lower bout.

I initially was interested due to the traditional parallel bracing being that I have an LS with -40 bracing, but knowing
what I know, if I didn't have a -40 braced guitar that is definitely what I would be looking for, especially in an LS body.
I actually wanted to state this earlier but didn't want to sound arrogant, and still don't!

I'm looking forward to this still!
------------------------------------
So very well said Riverbend!
Cliff,
You are now actually the best (only) resource on the only other LS-03 run ever done (by Notable).
Your guitar is 4.25 deep, ours is 4.00. There is nothing that says the body depth cannot change.
Got you down for hybrid bracing. Looks like 7 others agree with you.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Hooked on June 03, 2021, 12:27:12 PM
Mike,

My preference for bracing is a relatively uninformed opinion, not based on my ears. But I would say that the input from "The Family" carries a lot of weight with me, as does the idea of following along with the legacy of innovation represented by the -40 style bracing. I'm happy either way, but if the vote is close, I'm in for the -40 style.

Lou


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: musicrowscott on June 03, 2021, 01:36:28 PM
Enjoying this discussion and process...put me in the "Hybrid Bracing" category. Thanks!

Cheers,

SS


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: markj on June 03, 2021, 02:01:20 PM
Mark,
You need to say specifically what you prefer, and not make me sort of follow the gingerbread trail.
Mike

Mike,

I'm good with whatever the group decides. I like it all. From plain to extravagant. lol

I am so totally on board with the current spec as you have described it, with scalloped 40 bracing, moonwood, and the already mentioned wood rosette, and 12th fret VI inlay, etc.

I will be most agreeable to whatever the group decides.

IOW, I'm getting one no matter what.   :beer


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 03, 2021, 02:09:34 PM
Mike,

My preference for bracing is a relatively uninformed opinion, not based on my ears. But I would say that the input from "The Family" carries a lot of weight with me, as does the idea of following along with the legacy of innovation represented by the -40 style bracing. I'm happy either way, but if the vote is close, I'm in for the -40 style.

Lou
Lou,
The "legacy of innovation" sounds general and impersonal at first, yet affects us directly, because we ourselves are going to modernize the Forum VI, beyond Larrivee changes (16 fretboard radius and updated truss rod access) to make it better.
Your comment induced me to rethink my own position.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 03, 2021, 02:16:34 PM
Enjoying this discussion and process...put me in the "Hybrid Bracing" category. Thanks!

Cheers,

SS
Scott,
You are now categorized!
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 03, 2021, 02:21:16 PM
Mike,

I'm good with whatever the group decides. I like it all. From plain to extravagant. lol

I am so totally on board with the current spec as you have described it, with scalloped 40 bracing, moonwood, and the already mentioned wood rosette, and 12th fret VI inlay, etc.

I will be most agreeable to whatever the group decides.

IOW, I'm getting one no matter what.   :beer
Mark,
Gotta love your enthusiasm. Hybrid it is!
The group may decide you host a Forum VI party, and not on Zoom, either. Thank you in advance for your agreeableness.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Hooked on June 03, 2021, 02:26:50 PM
Mark,
Gotta love your enthusiasm. Hybrid it is!
The group may decide you host a Forum VI party, and not on Zoom, either. Thank you in advance for your agreeableness.
Mike

If anyone is in the DC area, I smoke up some good ribs!


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 03, 2021, 02:33:55 PM
If anyone is in the DC area, I smoke up some good ribs!
And we thank you for your agreeableness, as well.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 03, 2021, 04:00:42 PM
Attached is the current spreadsheet. Click to enlarge.
Anything in pink are preferences still to be stated.
Not sure AZ is still with us, since AZ is a carbon fiber sorta guy.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on June 03, 2021, 04:40:41 PM
I'd like to stir up the waters some more with another option for us to consider.

How about Walnut body binding (instead of Maple) to match the back and sides? (I'd even like to see Walnut fretboard binding, but I realize it starts to add up to $$$).

It would make the guitar similar to a 10 Series (which has EIR b&s and EIR body binding instead of Maple).

I just think it would frame the Moonwood top nicely, and give it a more upscale look...


 :guitar


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: markj on June 03, 2021, 05:36:30 PM
Will JCL sign the label?   :whistling:


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on June 03, 2021, 05:38:48 PM
...I would say that the input from "The Family" carries a lot of weight with me...
I wasn't going to bring it up since I'm not in on this one and everyone seems to want 40-series, but if you are truly interested in what the Larrivee family thinks, you may want to look up some of the posts made by our dearly departed Walkerman, who spoke to Jean in person about 40-series bracing on the L. I may be mistaken, but I believe he brought up several times that Jean was not a fan of the 40/traditional bracing on his L body. This was before the L40 was introduced so these posts will probably be a few years old. For those not familiar, Walkerman visited the factory many times and had lengthy conversations with Jean. For whatever reason, that info about the L and 40 bracing stuck in my head.

 That doesn't mean this this combo is wrong, right, etc. It's just food for thought. John clearly likes it so there may just be a difference of opinions.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: markj on June 03, 2021, 05:40:11 PM
Ah, heck, you might as well add an Anthem no-cut pickup to mine.  :guitar


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on June 03, 2021, 05:42:11 PM
I did a quick search after my last post because I didn't want to be wrong and spread misinformation, but I was correct. Here's a quote from Walkerman;
"JCL is not a fan of L 40s.  He says the L model is built for a particular balanced sound.  Using 40 bracing means it will not sound like an
L.  I know this because I wanted 40 bracing on my last L and he politely talked me out of it.  In retrospect, I agree with him totally."

Again, just food for thought. I don't want to sway anyone in any direction, just share knowledge so you all can make the best decisions. I'm sure going either route will sound great, honestly.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Hooked on June 03, 2021, 05:45:50 PM
Asking in innocent ignorance... Does the smaller body of the LS mitigate that issue? THe OM-40s are highly praised - mine included.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: markj on June 03, 2021, 05:53:33 PM
I was going to ask the same about the smaller size of the LS plus the 12 fret nature of this guitar might  be a different animal all together.

I would love to hear an opinion about this particular build from JCL, himself.   


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Strings4Him on June 03, 2021, 06:18:38 PM
Attached is the current spreadsheet. Click to enlarge.
Anything in pink are preferences still to be stated.
Not sure AZ is still with us, since AZ is a carbon fiber sorta guy.
Mike
Please change my rosette preference to wood (walnut).


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Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on June 03, 2021, 08:07:02 PM
Asking in innocent ignorance... Does the smaller body of the LS mitigate that issue? THe OM-40s are highly praised - mine included.
Personally, I don't think there's an actual issue to mitigate. I think it's probably just a matter of taste. I can see why JCL might not care for something that isn't his vision of the L. I can also understand why his son might prefer the change.

Yes, the LS body changes things. Whether they are for better or for worse will be in the eye of the beholder. Shame no one can play examples of both for the group.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 03, 2021, 08:35:07 PM
Update from Larrivee....
The Oxnard group (Jean & Co) is picking out American Walnut for us now. Jean knows we are waiting for news on that. John says they have the backs selected and sides are being selected. We will get the best wood appropriate for the guitar, keeping in mind our desire for economy. I will probably get a photo of the wood to post to the group.
So progress is being made on both sides.
When we get the word on the walnut and we ourselves decide the rosette and bracing stuff, we can work on updating the specification, so Larrivee will have it in their hands. We have not touched the subject of a minimum order, but we know we need to see some sort of cost, and John has not yet mentioned who a dealer might be.
More as things develop.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 03, 2021, 08:41:29 PM
I was going to ask the same about the smaller size of the LS plus the 12 fret nature of this guitar might  be a different animal all together.
I would love to hear an opinion about this particular build from JCL, himself.   
Well, we now know Jean knows about the build. I have every confidence that when we send our desired specification, that Jean will know about it. Can you imagine otherwise? Jean will probably do some of the work himself.
I am confident that Larrivee would not let us shoot ourselves in the foot, or lead us somewhere that would not produce the best Forum VI possible, given the cost constraint.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 03, 2021, 08:56:53 PM
Personally, I don't think there's an actual issue to mitigate. I think it's probably just a matter of taste. I can see why JCL might not care for something that isn't his vision of the L. I can also understand why his son might prefer the change.

Yes, the LS body changes things. Whether they are for better or for worse will be in the eye of the beholder. Shame no one can play examples of both for the group.
I am not going to weigh in on this just now, but if any of the remaining fence sitters comes back and expresses a strong conviction for standard bracing, I will change my vote and we will have an actual discussion. Bowie's input is valued.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 03, 2021, 09:16:16 PM
Walnut pic....
Here is a picture of what the backs will be.
The original file is huge, I resized it to fit the forum picture limits (200 kb)


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on June 03, 2021, 09:19:39 PM
That Walnut looks gorgeous! Worthy of consideration is the comment from Denis back on page 12, stating his warm fuzziest for his custom LV-03 with 40 series bracing. Different animal but close. I'm really appreciating this process.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on June 03, 2021, 11:01:44 PM
Attached is the current spreadsheet. Click to enlarge.
Anything in pink are preferences still to be stated.
Not sure AZ is still with us, since AZ is a carbon fiber sorta guy.
Mike

Moonwood works for me, since I suppose super gnarly bearclaw is not in the running.  ;) I have no preference on bracing, so hybrid works for me.  I'll ID pickup once pricing is established.  Thanks again!


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 03, 2021, 11:51:21 PM
Moonwood works for me, since I suppose super gnarly bearclaw is not in the running.  ;) I have no preference on bracing, so hybrid works for me.  I'll ID pickup once pricing is established.  Thanks again!
Thanks for this.
We actually considered SGBC in a private online session where everyone except you was there. We said "nah".
If it comes down to another vote on bracing, I will be your proxy. Thank you in advance for your support.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on June 04, 2021, 01:12:30 AM
That's excellent walnut. Very nice grain. When finished, it's going to look rich and beautiful.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 04, 2021, 01:37:04 AM
That's excellent walnut. Very nice grain. When finished, it's going to look rich and beautiful.
I am blown away. I had no idea. I keep zooming in on the original photo John sent me, and can only think "whoa".
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on June 04, 2021, 02:16:41 AM
I am blown away. I had no idea. I keep zooming in on the original photo John sent me, and can only think "whoa".
Mike
Yea, it's really exciting. The walnut Larrivee I had before sounded great, but the wood itself was dark and nothing to look at. Yours is very nice.
That slight green hue seems to be a good sign with walnut (though it has a bit to do with species). Some of the best pieces I've seen have that, alternating with that beautiful rosy color. The green hides a bit when it's sprayed and the reds/browns come out.
I'd personally recommend flamed maple binding. It plays off of tones in the walnut and makes it "pop". Darker bindings sort of hide and somehow make the walnut look muddy brown and bland. A quick internet search of "walnut acoustic" will show what I mean.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Frasier1 on June 04, 2021, 03:33:17 AM
I'd personally recommend flamed maple binding. It plays off of tones in the walnut and makes it "pop". Darker bindings sort of hide and somehow make the walnut look muddy brown and bland. A quick internet search of "walnut acoustic" will show what I mean.


This is what I have envisioned since the beginning although I would be interested in the opinion of the guys who do this everyday.  i.e. Jean, John, Matt


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: AZLiberty on June 04, 2021, 05:00:17 AM
Sitka vs Moonwood.....

Does it have the same sort of overtones as sitka? Or is it drier, or brighter? Sustain?

Mike

Drier, cleaner, more fundimental, fewer overtones.   I prefer Sitka or Engelmann


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on June 04, 2021, 07:51:00 AM
Drier, cleaner, more fundimental, fewer overtones.   I prefer Sitka or Engelmann
Did you mean to say that Sitka was the drier one?

Though I'm not trying to debate, there was a quote from John Larrivee earlier in the thread that I thought might confuse people so I'll throw up a couple quotes from resources I've found to be accurate. This isn't to say anyone is right or wrong because interpretations and experiences vary. And, the way the builder thins the top and shaves the braces dictates the result.

Tonewood datasource;
 Sitka spruce has a strong fundamental tone with relatively few overtones. This leads to a direct, punchy tone with great headroom.

European or Silver Spruce, the spruce of choice for makers of classical guitars, shares a number of characteristics with Engelmann spruce, including color, lightness of weight, harmonic complexity, and fullness at the lower end of the dynamic range.

Dana Bourgeois on Sitka: A strong fundamental-to-overtone ratio gives Sitka a powerful, direct tone that is capable of retaining its clarity when played forcefully. On the other side of the balance sheet, the lack of a strong overtone component can result in a “thin” tone when played with a relatively light touch-depending, of course, upon the design of the guitar and the other woods used in its construction.

TFoA; Sitka tends to have stronger fundamentals than overtones, and this means that it can sound not quite as robust when played with the lightest touch.

And, a personal note, "moon" spruce is simply alpine (European) spruce. It's claimed to be of a high elevation and harvested at only one time of the year but I don't know that it differs from other alpine spruces used by instrument makers. It's an area of debate. The alpine spruce Larrivee I owned (one that John was directly involved in building and signed by him) was heavy in overtones. Not as bright/clear as Sitka, but more rich and complex. I felt it favored finger style and lead picking, but was not as focused as the Sitka when strumming.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: myungic7 on June 04, 2021, 02:18:58 PM
Hi everyone, I was kindly introduced to this thread after posting here (http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=54592.0)

I'm not sure if expressing interest at this point is binding or anything, but I'm definitely interested in this so far and excited to see how this turns out!!


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 04, 2021, 02:34:07 PM
gtrplayer sent a link to a video of a walnut/moonwood OM-40 which is short, but worth watching.
Not sure what the difference is between american walnut and european walnut, but the guitar itself is not that far from what we are discussing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3A7pPs7t8c


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 04, 2021, 03:58:13 PM
That Walnut looks gorgeous! Worthy of consideration is the comment from Denis back on page 12, stating his warm fuzziest for his custom LV-03 with 40 series bracing. Different animal but close. I'm really appreciating this process.
Denis has used his LV-03 on some really good recordings.
Denis' guitar is sitka/mahogany, and except for being a 12 fret and a venetian cutaway, is the same as the L-40 I played at Guitar Tex in 2016 and posted a review for the group. The L-40 was an excellent guitar and I could not really tell the difference between it and my L-05.
I have also compared the Simple 6 (OM-40 mahogany) and an OM-03 (mahogany) and liked them both, and both were new. Couldn't really tell the difference there either. I got the OM-03.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 04, 2021, 04:26:01 PM
Hi everyone, I was kindly introduced to this thread after posting here (http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=54592.0)

I'm not sure if expressing interest at this point is binding or anything, but I'm definitely interested in this so far and excited to see how this turns out!!
Welcome to the discussion. Having interest is not binding. We are close to figuring out what we want, and Larrivee is assisting us.
Part of the Forum guitar process is a group of us figure out what we want, then propose the idea to Larrivee. Larrivee has to approve it. At some point we will know how much the guitar will cost, then we make our individual commitment and hopefully, enough of us will commit for Larrivee to produce our group order. The guitar will actually ordered through a Larrivee dealer.
Our Forum VI guitar is based on the Forum III, which was produced in 2009. It was very successful, and although we have different woods, it will be the same basic model, which is an LS. The LS is slightly smaller than the L-body.
I am not in charge (it is a group effort), but I do keep track of who is interested on a spreadsheet, and sometimes I send an email to Larrivee with a question.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: markj on June 04, 2021, 04:47:02 PM
Welcome to the discussion. Having interest is not binding. We are close to figuring out what we want, and Larrivee is assisting us.
Part of the Forum guitar process is a group of us figure out what we want, then propose the idea to Larrivee. Larrivee has to approve it. At some point we will know how much the guitar will cost, then we make our individual commitment and hopefully, enough of us will commit for Larrivee to produce our group order. The guitar will actually ordered through a Larrivee dealer.
Our Forum VI guitar is based on the Forum III, which was produced in 2009. It was very successful, and although we have different woods, it will be the same basic model, which is an LS. The LS is slightly smaller than the L-body.
I am not in charge (it is a group effort), but I do keep track of who is interested on a spreadsheet, and sometimes I send an email to Larrivee with a question.
Mike

You are doing a wonderful job. Not sure this would have progressed this far without your efforts. I understand the sentiment that we are all "in charge" but you are definitely the lead organizer and we are all grateful for that.  :donut :donut2 :coffee


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 04, 2021, 05:27:07 PM
Another update from John.
Jean and John are aiming for 20 sets of walnut for the Forum VI. There may be a few extras as well, for just in case.
John mentioned the wood will darken a bit during finishing. I had asked "Is it really that light?"

Now, I previously said "We will get the best wood appropriate for the guitar, keeping in mind our desire for economy".
Actually, we are getting a high grade walnut, with a bit of nature's cosmetic touches, equal in tone, strength, and cool factor to anything else. I am paraphrasing, but you get the idea. (Pity the poor -09 or -10 owner who has to suffer without a few of nature's touches.)
No pic for the sides yet.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Strings4Him on June 04, 2021, 06:35:35 PM
Yea, it's really exciting. The walnut Larrivee I had before sounded great, but the wood itself was dark and nothing to look at. Yours is very nice.
That slight green hue seems to be a good sign with walnut (though it has a bit to do with species). Some of the best pieces I've seen have that, alternating with that beautiful rosy color. The green hides a bit when it's sprayed and the reds/browns come out.
I'd personally recommend flamed maple binding. It plays off of tones in the walnut and makes it "pop". Darker bindings sort of hide and somehow make the walnut look muddy brown and bland. A quick internet search of "walnut acoustic" will show what I mean.
Flamed maple binding sounds nice.


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Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Jamolay on June 04, 2021, 06:56:06 PM
Ahhhh!
Please put me on the tentative list! LSV, RH, moon wood, walnut, walnut rosette, VI, cut away, hybrid, long, no electronics (probably), no pick guard.
You all are doing a great job and I am weakening by the minute.


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Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on June 04, 2021, 07:11:48 PM
You are doing a wonderful job. Not sure this would have progressed this far without your efforts. I understand the sentiment that we are all "in charge" but you are definitely the lead organizer and we are all grateful for that.  :donut :donut2 :coffee
:+1:
You are doing a fantastic job Mike!
I concur with the flamed maple binding, as well. Nice contrast with the walnut. 


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 04, 2021, 07:35:00 PM
Ahhhh!
Please put me on the tentative list! LSV, RH, moon wood, walnut, walnut rosette, VI, cut away, hybrid, long, no electronics (probably), no pick guard.
You all are doing a great job and I am weakening by the minute.
Jamolay,
That was easy! All noted. You are now an official fence sitter.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: willynelson13 on June 04, 2021, 07:37:13 PM
Here are some pictures of an L-09 American Walnut. Looks amazing. There is also a pic that supports the comment that the maple binding helps the walnut colours "pop". I am getting very tempted.  :guitar

https://heartbreakerguitars.com/products/larrivee-l09-american-walnut-custom-guitar


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Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 04, 2021, 07:51:30 PM
Here are some pictures of an L-09 American Walnut. Looks amazing. There is also a pic that supports the comment that the maple binding helps the walnut colours "pop". I am getting very tempted. 
https://heartbreakerguitars.com/products/larrivee-l09-american-walnut-custom-guitar
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I apologize. I must have passed out.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on June 04, 2021, 09:50:57 PM
I like walnut! My walnut O-01 on the walnut stairs I built to the music room.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Hooked on June 04, 2021, 10:29:46 PM
Stairway to (Walnut) Heaven?

Beautiful guitar and a great looking set of stairs! :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mattwood on June 05, 2021, 12:33:25 AM
Thanks Mike for ramrodding this ole bunch!  Rowdy Yates would be proud!


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: AZLiberty on June 05, 2021, 12:38:07 AM
Did you mean to say that Sitka was the drier one?


No, we have had this disagreement before.    :winkin:

While there is much variation in samples from each species,  I am firmly convinced that European/German/Italian/Moon/whatever spruce (Picea abies)  has fewer overtones than Engelmann or Sitka.  I'd place it closer to Adirondack than Sitka.

Main reason I sold my Forum-III, very fundamental and clear.
(exacerbated by the 12-fret bridge placement which also generates more fundamental at the expense of overtones)

My 1998 has an Engelmann top (there was a Sitka shortage that year) and is fantastic.   I wish moonwood sounded as good.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: gtrplayer on June 05, 2021, 12:48:25 AM
No, we have had this disagreement before.    :winkin:

While there is much variation in samples from each species,  I am firmly convinced that European/German/Italian/Moon/whatever spruce (Picea abies)  has fewer overtones than Engelmann or Sitka.  I'd place it closer to Adirondack than Sitka.

Main reason I sold my Forum-III, very fundamental and clear.
(exacerbated by the 12-fret bridge placement which also generates more fundamental at the expense of overtones)

My 1998 has an Engelmann top (there was a Sitka shortage that year) and is fantastic.   I wish moonwood sounded as good.

I'll agree with you with respect to the Forum III and Italian spruce.  It's a very dry wood with hardly any overtones but I like it.  If you want something wetter (overtones) go with engleman or cedar which tames that brightness.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Frasier1 on June 05, 2021, 01:42:39 AM
I did a "Sitka spruce vs Moonwood" google search and there is quite a bit out there.  The one thing I heard the most in regards to Moonwood was 'Clarity'.  Here is a video that was originally posted by 'Mikeymac' on June 09, 2020 on this very forum discussing
Moonwood vs Sitka.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4vh9x9qkCA


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: sdelsolray on June 05, 2021, 02:18:07 AM
You are counted in, maybe this is your chance to get that 12 fretter?
You are one very experienced and knowledgeable guitar person.
(I look everyone up, and read old posts, it's a habit of mine. A good habit.)
We are all hoping for a good price.
Mike

Thank you Mike.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 05, 2021, 02:18:47 AM
I did a "Sitka spruce vs Moonwood" google search and there is quite a bit out there.  The one thing I heard the most in regards to Moonwood was 'Clarity'.  Here is a video that was originally posted by 'Mikeymac' on June 09, 2020 on this very forum discussing
Moonwood vs Sitka.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4vh9x9qkCA
I have played that specific guitar. I liked it, but not in comparison to my own choices of Larrivees.
Point you out to 40 seconds to 50 seconds or so.
The video is a tiny bit music and mostly commentary. Useless for comparison to our proposed guitar.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 05, 2021, 02:27:08 AM
Thank you Mike.
Thank you for checking in! There are a few small things you need to weigh in on, please look at the spreadsheet (a few posts upwards),
Namely, top wood, bracing and rosette preferences. I think that covers it.
I hope you are still an active fence sitter (fingers crossed).
Believe me, even though we seem close on this, we are not done discussing this guitar. Your input is important.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: sdelsolray on June 05, 2021, 03:08:41 AM
Mike,

To update/change my preferences for your 06-03-21 spreadheet:

1)  Topwood - Sitka.
2)  Cutaway - None.
3)  Bracing - Standard, but would be fine with Hybrid.
4)  Rosette - Walnut.
5)  Pickup - None.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 05, 2021, 03:43:38 AM
Mike,

To update/change my preferences for your 06-03-21 spreadheet:

1)  Topwood - Sitka.
2)  Cutaway - None.
3)  Bracing - Standard, but would be fine with Hybrid.
4)  Rosette - Walnut.
5)  Pickup - None.
I am happy for your update. Thank you. I did put you down as hybrid, simply because we have not decided to have a huge issue over standard bracing. But please, feel free. I'll have your back.
Just in case, and to be clear, moonwood is a group "preference", based on Larrivee's question to us about sitka vs moonwood. It is not a group specification for the F-VI.
I think we would all be happy with either one, and if we get moonwood, it will be a Larrivee choice.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on June 05, 2021, 04:31:28 AM
Edit; there's some backwards info about woods that's starting to form here. I am deleting my post as I don't want to seem like I'm arguing or correcting anyone. I'll just encourage people to research literature from luthiers (not forms) if they're interested in learning more about spruce variations.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Frasier1 on June 05, 2021, 05:11:21 AM
The video is a tiny bit music and mostly commentary. Useless for comparison to our proposed guitar.
Mike


I stand corrected.  I'll go back under my rock and continue to watch this process from there.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Hooked on June 05, 2021, 10:09:31 AM
For reference on the Sitka vs. Moonwood debate that seems to be gaining heat but little light....

http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=51530.0


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on June 05, 2021, 11:32:11 AM
These are simply some of the personal reasons I'm getting so excited about this guitar, and it relates in part to the Moonwood vs Sitka debate that seems forever ongoing and relevant to these specs. When I bought my first Larrivee it was from Wildwood Music, one of their special run LV-03 RE-IAS. It blew me away after having played numerous Martins and Taylors and a few other notable guitars. The Italian Spruce and Indian Rosewood combination created a very seductive sound to my ears and from my very own technique. A few years later I again was seduced by a new Larrivee, an OM-40M. While I can't attribute any special qualities imparted by the spruce top, the combination of the mahogany and the new scalloped bracing seemed to particularly influence how it's voice fell upon my ears. When I decided to gift one of these guitars to our son, I found myself in a very real quandary. I was happy with either, but wanted to give him the better one and wanted it to be a surprise. I'd play one, then the other, back and forth, also realizing that I would be keeping only one. A lot of my choice to gift him the one with the Italian Spruce had to do with that Spruce top. It was phenomenal in combination with the other attributes of that guitar. Which is not to in any way say that the OM-40M lacked anything. I still have and play it regularly. And my son will often play it and his first response is always a "wow", and not in preference but in simple appreciation. The bracing pattern just seemed to refine some of the sounds this guitar is capable of producing. And the warmth of the Mahogany just oozes from the notes. We all know it's a complicated thing, and hard to define. And incredibly individual.
And so here we are now, possibly on the verge of completing a process of specifying, by committee, our very own Forum VI guitar. And here's where my personal excitement comes. The possibility of a Moonwood top over a walnut (sort of between EIR and Mahogany) and possibly with the newer scalloped bracing. It just seems like the best of all worlds...to me. Heaven help me, but who knows, I may never bond with this thing we are co-creating. But it's a chance I'm willing, and excited, to take. There's a whole lot to like about this emerging guitar.  


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 05, 2021, 12:48:47 PM
And so here we are now, possibly on the verge of completing a process of specifying, by committee, our very own Forum VI guitar.
Well. . . . . . just one more thing . . . . . .
I have been trying to figure out exactly why we have a 4" deep guitar.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on June 05, 2021, 01:06:39 PM
Well. . . . . . just one more thing . . . . . .
I have been trying to figure out exactly why we have a 4" deep guitar.
Mike
I must've missed something. When did the LS shrink in depth from 4.25"? Good question Mike.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: jazzereh on June 05, 2021, 01:55:27 PM
When did the 4" get specified?  Must have missed that myself.  Was thinking 4.25"


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 05, 2021, 02:44:56 PM
I must've missed something. When did the LS shrink in depth from 4.25"? Good question Mike.
(Note - I have edited this post with minor changes)
Don't get me wrong, I am not saying we change anything. All I am trying to do is figure stuff out, because I want to know.
The Forum LS guitars did not shrink, rather, the body depths have grown over time to what we see today.

Here are a few things that I now know.

1. I asked John did the LS dimensions come from the old "Lite" series.
John said "No. The LS came from the early L-3X Series. (L-30, L-31, L-35, L-38) All classicals. It is Jean's classical body. "
So, that question was answered. I had thought the LS came into being as a shrunk down L-body.

2. When the Forum III was first being discussed (it wasn't called Forum III yet), it came up right away that standard depth dimensions in 2008 were not the dimensions of the original LS. The original LS was 4 inches deep. However, there is a disconnect for me because the LS was talked about as a discontinued model, which implies that there was a steel string LS earlier.

3. And there indeed was..... in later 2009 ST got himself a 1999 LS-05. ST had played a Forum III at the factory, I think it was Danny's, but did not get a F-III himself. ST posted the LS-05 dimensions and specs, and it was 4 inches deep. ST is still around and he is the Wiki page maintainer (we are on it now!). I was very lucky to find out about this particular LS-05, as the thread may have mistakenly been included on the Wiki page as a reference for the Forum III specs, but the thread had nothing to do with the Forum III, or LS guitars at all. It was actually about whether ST should buy an OM-03R.

4. So, before 1999, there was an LS produced that has the same dims as what the Forum VI will have. HOWEVER, when ST started a different thread about the LS-05, he included a link to the archived Larrivee site from April 22, 1998, where you can dig into the specs at that time. Dang near all the guitars were 4 inches deep.
http://web.archive.org/web/19980422042828/http://larrivee.com/

5. The Forum III folks decided to keep the original LS body depth, rather than let it grow, and make it a 12 fret.
So the only thing I don't know is when the original LS steel string guitar (which the F-III and F-VI are descended from) was in production. I think it started in 1991.

The pic is ST's LS-05 and his C38 Larrivee classical.
Mike



Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: jazzereh on June 05, 2021, 03:06:02 PM
Ummmm, sorry to be a bit thick, but I'm still not sure if we are talking about this Forum guitar being 4" or 4.25".

The archived specs for the FIII indicate 4.25 and that's what I thought we were going with.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on June 05, 2021, 03:11:59 PM
4" or 4-1/4" is pretty much above my pay grade, experience-wise. My OM-40, for comparison, is 3-5/8" at the neck join and 4-5/16" at the heel.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 05, 2021, 04:50:59 PM
Ummmm, sorry to be a bit thick, but I'm still not sure if we are talking about this Forum guitar being 4" or 4.25".
The archived specs for the FIII indicate 4.25 and that's what I thought we were going with.
You aren't thick, and we have always had the F-VI at 4.0. See post #102 and #109.
Also, see #117.
You can certainly post where you found the 4.25 spec.
Let me politely ask a question of you, since you have said you are looking for an F-III in mahogany to help build your collection of Canada Larrivees.
If you found an F-III, would you have a problem with it being 4.0 inches? Because that is what it is.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: jazzereh on June 05, 2021, 05:52:52 PM
You aren't thick, and we have always had the F-VI at 4.0. See post #102 and #109.
Also, see #117.
You can certainly post where you found the 4.25 spec.
Let me politely ask a question of you, since you have said you are looking for an F-III in mahogany to help build your collection of Canada Larrivees.
If you found an F-III, would you have a problem with it being 4.0 inches? Because that is what it is.
Mike


Firstly, no I would not have a problem with 4" but I have an OM that is 4.25" and it's very comfortable.

However, in the heading 'Larrivee 'Forum' guitars' that is at the top of this forum, there is a link to the Forum guitar history and then in the section for the specs for the FIII there is a link to the specs for that LS guitar body and it lists 4.25" as the body depth.  So, since this is to be an LS, as was the FIII, that is what I thought it would be for the FVI.  So, was the FIII not a 425" body?  That's where I was coming from



Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 05, 2021, 06:32:41 PM
Firstly, no I would not have a problem with 4" but I have an OM that is 4.25" and it's very comfortable.

However, in the heading 'Larrivee 'Forum' guitars' that is at the top of this forum, there is a link to the Forum guitar history and then in the section for the specs for the FIII there is a link to the specs for that LS guitar body and it lists 4.25" as the body depth.  So, since this is to be an LS, as was the FIII, that is what I thought it would be for the FVI.  So, was the FIII not a 425" body?  That's where I was coming from
Ok, I know the page you are talking about, I looked at that too.
The Forum III was 4.0.

ANYHOW, a few hours ago, I sent an email to John, asking about the depth we could have, and his response is that the guitar will be built to whatever spec is current now, and that body depth is not a selectable option. So the F-VI will be made to current specs. We know that Notable made an LS run just a few years ago at 4.25, and Fraiser1 measured his to verify.
John said he would see what a recent LS was finished at and let us know, he said tolerances come into play as well.
So we will know about that, and I am relieved the issue is settled for us by Larrivee.
Can't believe the stuff we learn every day... and John is answering emails on a Saturday.

(edit)... maybe Tuffy or someone can measure the F-III and verify since I am looking at numbers but measuring the F-III would verify.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on June 06, 2021, 02:14:32 AM
Since Larrivee (John Jr.) has told us that the LS body is the old Larrivee classical body, I have another question about body depth/shape.

Classical guitars (including Larrivee's classicals?) tend to have a body that is almost as deep at the neck joint as it is at the heel; steel string guitars (including current L bodies) have a curvature to the back which gets a bit shallower at the neck joint; this includes OM's and dreadnoughts.

I have a '79 Larrivee L-19 (standard full size L body) that is similar to a classical; the body has almost no curvature to it and is almost as deep at the neck pocket as at the bottom of the lower bout - IOW, older L bodies were shaped similar to classicals.

Hence (finally!) my question: Will the LS body be more like a classical, with little curvature, or more like a modern L with more curvature (and shallower at the neck heel)? Someone could also measure their Forum III to answer this as well...

Maybe you can pass this one on to John Jr., too!  :bowdown:

 :thumb


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 06, 2021, 02:46:58 AM
Since Larrivee (John Jr.) has told us that the LS body is the old Larrivee classical body, I have another question about body depth/shape.
There are no more questions.. see following post. Not gonna labor over it any more.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 06, 2021, 03:11:07 AM
All,
Was texting with my neighbor Danny (F-III #1) who is an honorable Forum Guru, and had asked Danny to please measure upper bout, lower bout, and depth dimensions of his own F-III
Answer.. 11-1/4 x 15 x 4.
That is the LS original spec, the upper bout is within Larrivee tolerance. The old spec says 11.00.
I am happy with this, it doesn't prove anything other than the spec for the F-III was followed. Pretty much.
Anyhow, not to ignore or discount Mikey's question..... I will continue.
The F-VI will be built to current Larrivee specs, and if 4-1/4 is the body depth, I am very happy with that. Not just happy. I am convinced that last 1/4 inch is going to contribute to our overall happiness, as well as performance of the guitar. The Larrivee specifications have not evolved over time without good reason.

That all being said, and even though a few of us have not returned solidified opinions on bracing, I would like to revise the specs for the F-VI, post them for the group for comment and then pass them to Larrivee. We have a baseline, and we should not pursue issues of binding or other cosmetic trims. We have a baseline guitar and I humbly suggest we go to the next step.
Opinions requested.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: AZLiberty on June 06, 2021, 04:02:06 AM
Preferences:

1)  Topwood - Sitka.
2)  Cutaway - None.
3)  Bracing - No preference.
4)  Rosette - Walnut.
5)  Pickup - None.

I would probably add a K&K or JJB soundboard transducer.  That's what I have in the Rainsong (K&K) and my Larrivee Parlor (JJB).


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 06, 2021, 04:34:04 AM
Preferences:

1)  Topwood - Sitka.
2)  Cutaway - None.
3)  Bracing - No preference.
4)  Rosette - Walnut.
5)  Pickup - None.

I would probably add a K&K or JJB soundboard transducer.  That's what I have in the Rainsong (K&K) and my Larrivee Parlor (JJB).
All noted and thank you for the update. Please look at older posts about the K&K (or JJB). On the F-III, the bridge plate could not accommodate the transducers under the saddle, an extension may need to be added by your tech. The bridge plate configuration won't be changed for our guitar, per Larrivee. I feel your pain. But who knows, when the 40 bracing is stuck in there, Larrivee may have mercy on us.
Mike
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 06, 2021, 04:09:34 PM
Updated specs for Forum VI
This is updated after discussions about woods and bracing.
I thought we should give Larrivee a lot of space, so I don't get deep into details.
Please have a look and comment yay/nay. If I missed something important, let us know.
We have a really nice guitar.

*LS-03 body style (built to current specs)
*Either Sitka or Moonwood top (Larrivee option)
*American Walnut back and sides
*Hybrid bracing (40-series)
*12 fret
*Regular scale (25.5)
*1-3/4 nut width
*2-1/4 string spacing at bridge
*Maple binding
*Fret markers on maple binding
*Solid wood rosette (to match walnut)
*Roman "VI" inlay 12th fret, blank fret board
*Inside label - Forum Guitar VI x of xx
*Standard -03 tuners
*Detached tortoise pickguard (loose in case)
*No cost option - left handed
*Extra cost options - venetian cut (LSV body), 5 pickup options
*Standard hardshell case

Available pickups
1. Stagepro Element single-source
2. Stagepro Anthem dual-source
3. Anthem no-cut dual-source
4. Lyric no-cut single-source
5. iMix no-cut dual-source


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on June 06, 2021, 04:56:39 PM
Yay
Nice guitar!
Thanks again for all your time and effort Mike!
Rich


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Hooked on June 06, 2021, 04:59:39 PM
 :+1: This is going to be special.
Looking ahead to a bunch of happy pickers!

Great job of cat herding, Mike!


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Bard on June 06, 2021, 05:15:31 PM
Nice work! Can I expect mine to arrive next week? 😜


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 06, 2021, 05:55:00 PM
Nice work! Can I expect mine to arrive next week? 😜
Well, you just gonna have to do with the air guitar version for now.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: markj on June 06, 2021, 06:56:17 PM
Can we see an example of the rosette design?


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: jazzereh on June 06, 2021, 07:00:53 PM
Those specs are perfect, Mike, thanks


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Strings4Him on June 06, 2021, 11:29:35 PM
Looks good to me.


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Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: musicrowscott on June 07, 2021, 03:51:02 AM
Specs look great, well done!

Cheers,

SS


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on June 07, 2021, 04:26:32 AM
Yay - IOW, I'm in.  :thumbsup


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 07, 2021, 01:17:23 PM
Can we see an example of the rosette design?
I don't have an example, it was something John suggested (#184).
I will ask.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: musicrowscott on June 07, 2021, 05:13:51 PM
If John answers with an example...please PM to markj rather than posting (if possible)...I'd kinda like to be surprised on the rosette personally!

I'm weird that way, LOL

Cheers,

SS


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 07, 2021, 06:04:51 PM
If John answers with an example...please PM to markj rather than posting (if possible)...I'd kinda like to be surprised on the rosette personally!
I'm weird that way, LOL
Cheers,
SS
I like that. Even tho we may have stated solid wood, Larrivee has the option on design.
Pretty much everything cosmetic on the guitar is Larrivee option.
We will see if John sends a pic. If he does, it may be so glorious that it cannot be revealed at all to anyone.
I did send  the spec to John this morning.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on June 07, 2021, 06:20:29 PM

I did send the spec to John this morning.
Mike


Thanks for persevering on this, Mike!!!

 :coffee :donut


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: markj on June 07, 2021, 06:55:44 PM
Given the historical tasteful nature of all the designs that have come from Larrivee, I am sure the rosette will be wonderful. I have full faith and trust in Larrivee to do that right.

Not being able to preview the rosette design is OK with me. It's not going to stop me from getting one of these wonderful guitars. 


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: willynelson13 on June 07, 2021, 07:04:08 PM
The Koa Spice limited run had a wood rosette. looks nice.


(https://www.larrivee.com/content/145809/JML_2954_800x800.jpg)


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: markj on June 07, 2021, 07:12:03 PM
Mike,

Please remove the pickup option from my build. Thanks!


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 08, 2021, 01:14:21 AM
Mike,
Please remove the pickup option from my build. Thanks!
Done!
Please note the spreadsheet is not an order form. That stuff will come later, like when we get serious.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: sunwukong on June 08, 2021, 05:52:52 AM
Is it too late to be added onto the interest list? Specs look great, just want to see the price.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Paraclete on June 08, 2021, 06:10:37 AM
Looking good so far!  Thanks for all the hard work, Mike!


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 08, 2021, 12:12:06 PM
Is it too late to be added onto the interest list? Specs look great, just want to see the price.  Thanks!
No it is not too late. I will add you to the list. It is just for keeping track of ourselves.
You know, the last time you posted in the forum, I wasn't even a member yet.
I am assuming you are right handed and I am also assuming you want the standard LS body?
Soooo... welcome back!
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 08, 2021, 12:22:17 PM
Looking good so far!  Thanks for all the hard work, Mike!
You are most welcome.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Guzzijeff on June 08, 2021, 03:07:24 PM
Hi Mike.

Please include me on the list. The build looks great! (No pick-up, no cutaway, RH, Moon spruce, 40 bracing, rounded headstock…I would vote for short scale, if that was offered… and open back -40 tuners). As many have stated, price will be the determining factor.

Thanks for spearheading this.
Peace, Jeff


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 08, 2021, 03:52:21 PM
Hi Mike.

Please include me on the list. The build looks great! (No pick-up, no cutaway, RH, Moon spruce, 40 bracing, rounded headstock…I would vote for short scale, if that was offered… and open back -40 tuners). As many have stated, price will be the determining factor.

Thanks for spearheading this.
Peace, Jeff
I added you.
I recognize you from the other forum. Welcome.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: sunwukong on June 09, 2021, 06:38:59 AM
No it is not too late. I will add you to the list. It is just for keeping track of ourselves.
You know, the last time you posted in the forum, I wasn't even a member yet.
I am assuming you are right handed and I am also assuming you want the standard LS body?
Soooo... welcome back!
Mike

lol, definitely been quite a few years since I've been here.  Yes, RH.  Prefer cutaway if it is an option, but am OK with standard LS body otherwise.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on June 09, 2021, 11:41:27 AM
Anyone else hear that drumroll in the background when opening this thread looking for updates :winkin:???


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 09, 2021, 11:59:17 AM
Anyone else hear that drumroll in the background when opening this thread looking for updates :winkin:???
There is no late breaking news.
I sent the spec to John Monday.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Hooked on June 09, 2021, 12:16:28 PM
Anticipation! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NwP3wes4M8&ab_channel=CarlySimon)


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on June 09, 2021, 03:04:28 PM
There is no late breaking news.
I sent the spec to John Monday.
Mike
I've not a shred of doubt that you'll pass us information just as soon as you get it and are able! It's just the anticipation is kind of cool, actually.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 09, 2021, 06:12:23 PM
I've not a shred of doubt that you'll pass us information just as soon as you get it and are able! It's just the anticipation is kind of cool, actually.
And you would be right. I am honestly relieved to take a break.
The F-VI has moved along at a blistering pace. It took 30 days from the start of the thread to sending a specification to Larrivee.
That has not happened before. There was at least one forum guitar discussion that went on for a year resulting in nothing.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 09, 2021, 06:24:53 PM
I am honestly relieved to take a break.
Well, that break didn't last long.
John says they should have some pricing by the end of the week.
They have the walnut for the sides now too.
They have wood sets for 20 guitars, possibly more.
No other info.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on June 09, 2021, 06:45:43 PM

John says they should have some pricing by the end of the week.
They have the walnut for the sides now too.
They have wood sets for 20 guitars, possibly more.
No other info.



Very cool! We are moving right along!


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 09, 2021, 07:00:10 PM
Very cool! We are moving right along!
Yep.
And a bit of info you you as well, regarding LS sizing front to back re: the classical body.
Jean measured some recent LS bodies and they were 86 mm (3.38) by the neck and 105 mm (4.12) depth at lower bout.
There are tolerances that play as well.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 09, 2021, 07:05:09 PM
John says they should have some pricing by the end of the week.
Responding to my follow up question regarding how to place orders, who the dealer is, down payment, John said all that should be nailed by end of the week.
I have no idea how to deal with the mayhem after we get that information. We should probably think about it.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on June 09, 2021, 08:34:33 PM
Responding to my follow up question regarding how to place orders, who the dealer is, down payment, John said all that should be nailed by end of the week.
I have no idea how to deal with the mayhem after we get that information. We should probably think about it.
Mike

I would suspect that after the specs and dealer are finalized. each interested person/customer will have to contact the dealer individually to confirm their specs and make a down payment. And of course, a closing order date will have to be established.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Riverbend on June 09, 2021, 08:42:02 PM
Responding to my follow up question regarding how to place orders, who the dealer is, down payment, John said all that should be nailed by end of the week.
I have no idea how to deal with the mayhem after we get that information. We should probably think about it.
Mike
Depending on price, there may be some attrition from the running spreadsheet list. Weighing that with the number of available guitars (mentioned as 20 plus ?), I would think the original group would get first come first served. Just in case there's a late run of interest.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: markj on June 10, 2021, 01:13:02 AM
This is getting exciting!  :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 10, 2021, 02:42:14 AM
Ok, so here is the current spreadsheet, forget about any colored squares. Click to enlarge.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: jazzereh on June 10, 2021, 11:29:50 AM
Thanks for the updates, Mike.  The spreadsheet does not mention 12 fret.  Is that just a given?


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 10, 2021, 12:58:57 PM
Thanks for the updates, Mike.  The spreadsheet does not mention 12 fret.  Is that just a given?
Yes, that is a given. The spec says 12 fret, though.
You will note I didn't specify the F-VI has any strings, I am hoping Larrivee includes those as a free upgrade  :bgrin:
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: jazzereh on June 10, 2021, 01:41:57 PM
Strings would be nice but can I specify which ones I want?    :wink:

Just kidding


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 10, 2021, 03:02:19 PM
Strings would be nice but can I specify which ones I want?    :wink:
Just kidding
I know which strings you want... made in Canada, right?
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on June 10, 2021, 03:28:58 PM
I know which strings you want... made in Canada, right?
Mike

LOL!!!  :roll

Good one, Mike!

I count 21 names on that list - that's a good "core group" - acknowledging that everyone won't be able to make it to the finish line, but a few others may finally jump on borad as all the specs are firmed up and are certain.

Looking forward to the next word from John. Jr. & Larrivee  :thumb


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: jazzereh on June 10, 2021, 03:29:51 PM
 :thumbsup


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 10, 2021, 04:09:35 PM
:thumbsup
I have been waiting for DAYS to do the "strings as free upgrade" line.
You gave it some legs, though, thank you!
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Jamolay on June 10, 2021, 05:35:42 PM
I have been waiting for DAYS to do the "strings as free upgrade" line.
You gave it some legs, though, thank you!
Mike
Shouldn’t the strings be walnut, too?


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Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 10, 2021, 06:16:28 PM
Shouldn’t the strings be walnut, too?
Have you ever seen the video of Ewan Dobson playing the guitar strung with dental floss?
Anything is possible.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 11, 2021, 02:19:44 AM
NOTICE
It might be a good idea for anyone on the spreadsheet to send me the following info via PM

*forum name
*real name
*email address
The title should be your "forum" name

Not sure we will need it, but it just seems to be a good idea.
I will keep track in an unseen part of the spreadsheet, and may color code those who have responded.
I don't know "when" or exactly "what" John will send me regarding price, info, etc, since we have not been part of the dealer selection and don't know if the process will have worked out.
If anyone has any better ideas, let me know.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: B0WIE on June 11, 2021, 02:43:32 AM
NOTICE
It might be a good idea for anyone on the spreadsheet to send me the following info via PM

*forum name
*real name
*email address
The title should be your "forum" name

Not sure we will need it, but it just seems to be a good idea.
I will keep track in an unseen part of the spreadsheet, and may color code those who have responded.
I don't know "when" or exactly "what" John will send me regarding price, info, etc, since we have not been part of the dealer selection and don't know if the process will have worked out.
If anyone has any better ideas, let me know.
Mike

FWIW, I think personal info is only required by the dealer.


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 11, 2021, 02:56:22 AM
FWIW, I think personal info is only required by the dealer.
I am the Cat Herder. FWIW. Info is voluntary.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Bard on June 11, 2021, 05:57:02 AM
Fwiw you are the ultimate cat herder. Kudos!!!!


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: markj on June 11, 2021, 09:10:06 PM
The anticipation!   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 12, 2021, 12:53:21 AM
No Update.
I didn't hear from John today.
There are lot of moving parts on their end.
Hang in there.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Rockysdad on June 12, 2021, 01:52:25 AM
“Good things”, come to those who wait.


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Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: mike in lytle on June 12, 2021, 11:54:28 PM
No update.
Thought I would say that, in case anyone was looking for Saturday updates.
Mike


Title: Re: Forum VI (based on Forum III) any interest?
Post by: Mikeymac on June 13, 2021, 03:01:48 AM
No update.
Thought I would say that, in case anyone was looking for Saturday updates.
Mike

You know us so well!!!

 :wink: