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Title: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: RandyB on December 29, 2017, 05:16:08 PM
How would an SD-40 sound compared to a 000-40?
Which would be best for finger style. Which is louder and most sustain and most responsive?

I currently have an OM-40R and love it , but I am curious abot the 12 fret variety.
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Title: Re: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: Walkerman on December 29, 2017, 07:05:49 PM
12 fret OM-40s are my current favorite model.  Easy to play, big sound.


Title: Re: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: B0WIE on December 29, 2017, 09:36:19 PM
  An SD is a much larger instrument so it's going to have a bigger, bassier sound, with more volume than a 000.  As for fingerstyle, that depends as everyone plays different material in different ways.  Celtic would likely sound better on a 000 whereas American folk can be wonderful on a 12-fret dread.  Comes down to what the player is trying to do.

12-Fret= richer "warmer" tone.  If you'd like the trebles fatter, bass fuller, and a more "piano-like" sound overall, 12-fret is the way to go.  Feels nicer on the left arm too.
Does not have the traditional twang and bite of 14 fret guitars though.


Title: Re: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: headsup on December 30, 2017, 04:53:54 AM
  An SD is a much larger instrument so it's going to have a bigger, bassier sound, with more volume than a 000.  As for fingerstyle, that depends as everyone plays different material in different ways.  Celtic would likely sound better on a 000 whereas American folk can be wonderful on a 12-fret dread.  Comes down to what the player is trying to do.

12-Fret= richer "warmer" tone.  If you'd like the trebles fatter, bass fuller, and a more "piano-like" sound overall, 12-fret is the way to go.  Feels nicer on the left arm too.
Does not have the traditional twang and bite of 14 fret guitars though.





This might be a tad subjective- so many things depend on the description you are making about the "sound" of any guitar.
12 fret guitars offer certain things ( depending on the woods and finish), however none of my 14 fret Larrivee's have anything resembling "twang and bite".



Title: Re: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: B0WIE on December 30, 2017, 05:24:16 AM

This might be a tad subjective- so many things depend on the description you are making about the "sound" of any guitar.
12 fret guitars offer certain things ( depending on the woods and finish), however none of my 14 fret Larrivee's have anything resembling "twang and bite".
I'm talking about strength in the trebles and, if we're being honest, 14 fret guitars have more of that than 12 fret ones, when all else is equal.  No need to be offended by those terms, they're not meant to degrade. I'm just trying to help the thread starter understand the difference.

Also,to clarify, I'm not talking about woods and finishes, I'm referring to the difference that the 12 fret body/neck makes compared to a 14. 


Title: Re: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: Walkerman on December 30, 2017, 01:42:44 PM
I'm talking about strength in the trebles and, if we're being honest, 14 fret guitars have more of that than 12 fret ones, when all else is equal.  No need to be offended by those terms, they're not meant to degrade. I'm just trying to help the thread starter understand the difference.

Also,to clarify, I'm not talking about woods and finishes, I'm referring to the difference that the 12 fret body/neck makes compared to a 14. 

One big difference is the location of the bridge.  It is more centrally placed on a twelve fretter which, I have been told, results in better tone.


Title: Re: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: headsup on December 30, 2017, 02:33:07 PM
One big difference is the location of the bridge.  It is more centrally placed on a twelve fretter which, I have been told, results in better tone.




Yes, the theory is; the sound board will resonate more with the placement of the bridge.
I have also "heard" and read, a satin finish will give a livelier response as the multiple coats of sealer and lacquer can soak up sound vibrations.

I have also read Adi bracing transfers the sound (top) better than other spruce bracing.

 I guess this can all be lumped in with the hog vs rosewood/EIR vs BZR/Sitca vs any other spruce as far as "sound".

Thus leading to the age old discussion (always a fun one) about what we (as individuals) ultimately and actually hear ( even if we can/or what the current broader mindset is.

sometimes I wonder if it's just more "fake news".....

we play em cuz we love em....


Title: Re: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: B0WIE on December 30, 2017, 11:03:29 PM
One big difference is the location of the bridge.  It is more centrally placed on a twelve fretter which, I have been told, results in better tone.
Absolutely, which is why I refer to them as a 12-fret "neck/body" rather than just a 12 fret neck.  That hole and bridge placement really does create more overtones and what we call a "piano-like" tone.  I love how a good 12-fretter will fill a lot of sonic space and sit behind a vocal, rather than on top of it.  Those full bass lines and sweet trebles are something I just don't get as much of in 14 fret guitars, which is why I sold most of them and just have a few spectacular 12 fretters I love.

Everyone has their own tastes though.  I don't expect others to like the same things I do.


Title: Re: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: Strings4Him on December 31, 2017, 11:10:27 AM
Maybe  a 13-fret would be the best of both?


Title: Re: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: JamesN on December 31, 2017, 04:39:30 PM
Maybe  a 13-fret would be the best of both?

Gibson's Nick Lucas model, produced from 1927 to 1938, started with a 12-fret fret neck. In 1930 they changed it to a 13-fret neck, and in 1934 they changed it to a 14-fret neck. For this particular guitar body, the 13-fret version is said to have the bridge in the sweet spot.

Dylan played one of the 13-fretters for awhile in the '60s.

(https://imageshack.com/a/img924/7509/rCLzBE.jpg)


Title: Re: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 31, 2017, 05:47:58 PM
Gibson's Nick Lucas model, produced from 1927 to 1938, started with a 12-fret fret neck. In 1930 they changed it to a 13-fret neck, and in 1934 they changed it to a 14-fret neck. For this particular guitar body, the 13-fret version is said to have the bridge in the sweet spot.

Hmmm wonder if Larrivée ever experimented with  a one-off or something 13 fretter    :?


Title: Re: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: eded on December 31, 2017, 06:43:11 PM
Gibson's Nick Lucas model, produced from 1927 to 1938, started with a 12-fret fret neck. In 1930 they changed it to a 13-fret neck, and in 1934 they changed it to a 14-fret neck. For this particular guitar body, the 13-fret version is said to have the bridge in the sweet spot.

Dylan played one of the 13-fretters for awhile in the '60s.

(https://imageshack.com/a/img924/7509/rCLzBE.jpg)

I forget who, but recently (in the past 15 years or so) there was a small maker who was making 13 fret guitars.

Ed


Title: Re: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: JamesN on December 31, 2017, 08:14:49 PM
I forget who, but recently (in the past 15 years or so) there was a small maker who was making 13 fret guitars.

Ed

Santa Cruz makes an H13 model, inspired by Gibson's Nick Lucas 13-fretters:
link (https://www.santacruzguitar.com/instruments/h13-model/)

Not sure if it's still in production.


Title: Re: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: JamesN on December 31, 2017, 08:17:30 PM
Hmmm wonder if Larrivée ever experimented with  a one-off or something 13 fretter    :?

Don't know, but it might make for a cool Forum guitar... Just sayin'


Title: Re: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: AZLiberty on December 31, 2017, 09:41:58 PM
I forget who, but recently (in the past 15 years or so) there was a small maker who was making 13 fret guitars.


Santa Cruz makes a 13-fret,   Blackbird's "Lucky 13" is of course a 13-fret, and Ed Bond (Tinker Halcyon) makes a 13-fret 00 as a standard configuration.



Title: Re: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: AZLiberty on December 31, 2017, 09:43:05 PM
Don't know, but it might make for a cool Forum guitar... Just sayin'


00, 13-fret, Cedar/Walnut? 


Title: Re: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 31, 2017, 10:18:47 PM

00, 13-fret, Cedar/Walnut? 
I think I would jump on that


Title: Re: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: eded on January 01, 2018, 02:29:15 AM
Santa Cruz makes an H13 model, inspired by Gibson's Nick Lucas 13-fretters:
link (https://www.santacruzguitar.com/instruments/h13-model/)

Not sure if it's still in production.

That's the one that came to mind...

Ed


Title: Re: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: headsup on January 04, 2018, 12:54:30 AM
I just posted a picture of my new used 2005 12 Fret Forum II over in the "Christmas guitar" thread.


Title: Re: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: flatlander on January 06, 2018, 05:32:40 AM
I believe all of the fine NC luthier Gray Burchette's guitar are 13 fretters. http://www.burchetteguitars.com/


Title: Re: 12 fret Larrivées
Post by: Denis on January 08, 2018, 12:16:33 AM

00, 13-fret, Cedar/Walnut? 

Yeah, I would consider this...