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Title: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on June 29, 2017, 11:43:20 PM
Well I think we saw the writing on the wall for acoustics too a long while ago.

Interesting article HERE (https://www.washingtonpost.com/classic-apps/the-slow-secret-death-of-the-electric-guitar-and-why-you-should-care/2017/06/22/5a2fce5c-2920-11e7-b605-33413c691853_story.html?mc_cid=c79ca08449&mc_eid=698baa310f&utm_term=.a70383f19859)


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: eded on June 29, 2017, 11:49:15 PM
Well I think we saw the writing on the wall for acoustics too a long while ago.

Interesting article HERE (https://www.washingtonpost.com/classic-apps/the-slow-secret-death-of-the-electric-guitar-and-why-you-should-care/2017/06/22/5a2fce5c-2920-11e7-b605-33413c691853_story.html?mc_cid=c79ca08449&mc_eid=698baa310f&utm_term=.a70383f19859)

I saw this a few days ago.  A good read...  not that I agree 100% with the basic premise or many of the points, but still, a good read.

Ed


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: SMan on June 30, 2017, 12:09:27 AM
Like most media pieces I take it with a grain of salt as they are trying to sell papers.  I don't believe the electric is dead or even close to it.  Just going thru a little climate change.  Interesting read though. 


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: broKen on June 30, 2017, 01:13:18 AM
Perhaps the marketing and star manufacturers aren't doing the job they once did. There are still lots of great players, they aren't being used by the "big machines" to make fortunes like they once did. Now an artist is producing their own works with the new recording machines and some savvy, but they are not getting exposure which inspires beginner's to press on.


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: Walkerman on July 12, 2017, 04:11:46 PM
Well, when was the last time you pulled up next to a car at a red light and the driver was playing air guitar?  Used to happen all the time.  No good new guitar bands ...... do not want to start an esoteric argument about how many great new bands are on alt radio.....
The 60's and 70's ...... guys wanted to be those guitar players.  Things go away.  In the 50's, guys collected baseball cards and idolized baseball players.   Every guy had a baseball glove.  Bet not many have them now. 


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: Barefoot Rob on July 12, 2017, 05:10:36 PM
The problem {if there really is one} is there are no real record labels selling guitar bands.There on youtube doing there own thing.


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: broKen on July 12, 2017, 06:18:51 PM
The problem {if there really is one} is there are no real record labels selling guitar bands.There on youtube doing there own thing.

Just my point. The big labels used to have artists trapped in contracts so it was in their interest to promote the band. All about $


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: rockstar_not on July 12, 2017, 11:42:14 PM
Perhaps the marketing and star manufacturers aren't doing the job they once did. There are still lots of great players, they aren't being used by the "big machines" to make fortunes like they once did. Now an artist is producing their own works with the new recording machines and some savvy, but they are not getting exposure which inspires beginner's to press on.

There are many new great guitar bands but the points above all apply as well. That article is not well researched.


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: George on July 13, 2017, 12:36:36 AM
All I know is what I see.  And I see new music schools starting up even in very small towns like the one I live in with < 13k population.  I also see a whole bunch of talented kids playing the guitar on the internet, both acoustic and electric, and like the article says Most of them are girls...  very, very talented girls and young women that just seem to take right to it.  Some are already great songwriters and I recognize some that are destined to be famous.  Here in Texas, new bands seem to be proliferating, but the managerial aspects of controlling their futures is declining because many of them can and do, forge ahead all on their own.  So the internet, and all of the affordable recording equipment available to young musicians these days is making their startups a lot simpler.  There are even strategists that hold seminars and explain to them up front about the total importance of having a huge social media presence and how it will accelerate their advancement.  Kids are paying attention to this stuff too, and they are using all of the learning tools available to them on the internet.  I am FB friends with a bunch of them and I follow their progress, which some of them are exponentially excelling at implementing. 

Meanwhile, I keep selling guitars and enjoy playing for as long as I am still able.  We old Boomers may be aging out, but I think it is far from being over...


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: ST on July 13, 2017, 08:11:08 AM
Thanks Andrew,

Well I think we saw the writing on the wall for acoustics too a long while ago.

Interesting article HERE (https://www.washingtonpost.com/classic-apps/the-slow-secret-death-of-the-electric-guitar-and-why-you-should-care/2017/06/22/5a2fce5c-2920-11e7-b605-33413c691853_story.html?mc_cid=c79ca08449&mc_eid=698baa310f&utm_term=.a70383f19859)

I read this and thought...

Maybe I should have sold the electric guitars first...

Nah they are way more fun.



Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: rockstar_not on July 14, 2017, 04:42:21 AM
I gotta say again, what a terribly 'researched' article.  So many assumptions made that aren't backed up by facts.

Assumption 1 not backed up by facts:  Guitar solo heros - since there aren't as many now as the music styles drove in the 70's and 80's = death of electric guitar.

Wrong.  Author is right that the guitar solo is no longer a standard feature in pop music;

Name one Beatles killer guitar solo or the Beatle's guitar hero worship song.  The Beatles had great riffs, but very little in the way of blistering solos.  The Beatles were hugely responsible for the surge in guitar sales at the time.  Epiphone was sure glad for the Beatles.  The lack of pop-culture worship of soloist wizardry does not equal a death of the electric guitar.  Here's the actual reality; there are thousands of guitar wizards across the planet today that only YouTube users know about.  Guitar solo wizardry has become somewhat of a commodity.  Long ago, that wasn't the case.  There are under 10 year old kids that can play anything that the guitar hero's of olde were know for - they didn't invent it, but they can play it.  Pick any killer solo, with the words '10 year old' on a Youtube search, and you are almost assured some kid has a video posted of him or her blazing through an Eddie Van Halen solo and doing an insanely good job of it.  You'll also find all the tablature and notation you need, the signal chain, etc.  We used to have to pay for all of that in sheet music, magazines, etc.  Ability to record a video of a kid doing a burning solo - that's in your pocket. 

Assumption 2:  Financial trouble at Gibson, Guitar Center, Fender = slow death of the electric guitar.  Again wrong.  Bad business decisions, among other things, drive Gibson's problems.  Not a lack of interest in guitars.  Gibson and Fender both (Gibson more guilty of this) have such a fear of moving away from their 4 core models and marketing them.  If it isn't a Strat or LP, or Tele, or SG - then it's not worthy of investment; just figure out ways to make them cheaper overseas.  Gibson and Fender both equipped the world's low cost country's abilities to make decent quality instruments for next to no money; which that is what enabled the millions to afford cheap guitars not branded Fender or Gibson.

Assumption 3:  Gruhn's sales down = slow death of the electric guitar.  Again wrong.  I've been to Gruhn Guitars new location in Nashville.  One of those Mecca experiences like shopping at Elderly Instruments in East Lansing, MI.  Elderly has affordable stuff, Gruhn does not.  By affordable, I mean something that a kid can buy and learn on.  I loved being at Gruhn, but that was as a 40+ year old man.  They have a great selection of expensive instruments.  They cater to the professional musician at his store, and he can afford to do that being in Nashville with all the pros and the wannabe pros.  If it wasn't for Gruhn, I wouldn't know about the 8 string baritone that Taylor has on the market.

Assumption 4:  Kids learning 30-50 year old songs at Schools of Rock instead of newer songs = death of electric guitar.  There are loads more resources for learning older songs than brand new ones.  Lot's more lessons, lots more YouTube videos on how to play the older songs, etc.

Not an assumption, but shows the author's lack of understanding of Rush and perhaps his past-pop-culture only view of guitar in general:  "Rush’s prog-metal is not for beginners, with its time shifts and reggae twist."

It's clear that the author has listened to exactly one Rush song in his lifetime:  "Spirit of the Radio", and he heard it at his visit to a School of Rock.  Name another Rush song that has a 'reggae twist'.  Would you EVER characterize Rush, in a single sentence opportunity, as stating it has a 'reggae twist'?  Did he mistakenly mix up Rush with The Police?  There's hardly more than 20 seconds total of reggae in that 5+ minute long song, and quite possibly the only famous 20 seconds of anything reggae in all of Rush's decades long discography.  For that matter, 'metal'?

There is no death of electric guitar - I would guess it's more popular than ever, it's just not controlled by a select few companies; same as music in general.  Same as GM, Ford and Chrysler learning the hard lessons of having to compete with global competition. 

Album Oriented Rock is not as popular since the early 80's; AOR lends itself to longer songs and therefore room for a guitar solo - well, that's probably not coming back.  But neither are video arcades, shopping malls, the Big 3 dominance of the auto industry, etc.  But do people still play video games, buy stuff, drive cars?  Absolutely, more than ever.  The types of things that are in these categories has spread out with less dominant character, but by no means are any of them going away.  This is what happens with more and more individual choice.



Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: Walkerman on July 14, 2017, 06:14:08 AM
Well, I think the article makes valid points.  Why is GC having such problems?  No one is buying their wares.  Of course, the internet might have something to do with that, but for sure, guitar sales, esp. electric, are down significantly.  Why did Larrivee stop making electrics?
From my point of view, new music sucks.  When kids pull up next to me with radio blaring, I roll up the window.  Woman .... supposedly divas..... wailing like they are in pain, inane rap with booming bass and moronic, obscene lyrics .... no thanks.
Then again ....JMO


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: Queequeg on July 14, 2017, 01:25:07 PM
From my point of view, new music sucks.  When kids pull up next to me with radio blaring, I roll up the window.  Woman .... supposedly divas..... wailing like they are in pain, inane rap with booming bass and moronic, obscene lyrics .... no thanks.
Then again ....JMO
Steve, you sound like an old man.  :bgrin:
And I couldn't agree more!   :thumb


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: rockstar_not on July 14, 2017, 03:38:34 PM
I have yet to see the statistics that show overall electric guitar sales are down.  Difficult to gather that info, my guess.  What kids blare on the radio is also not an indication of whether or not people are buying and playing guitars.  Why Larrivée quit selling electrics might have something to do with their price point in a very saturated market. Very few kids would have been buying them or parents buying them as Birthday or graduation presents.


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: George on July 14, 2017, 04:44:18 PM
Even good music to listen to made by youngsters is presented in such different fashion these days.  Many kids produce Youtube music videos from their bedrooms and sometimes gain a million or more viewers.  Lots of 4 or 5 song EP's being released on itunes instead of full length albums too.  Even more single releases.  A lot easier to market yourself without a lot of overhead these days.  Bands seem to be able to fill their calendars with gigs from their followers without need of a management company.  None of these things were true when we were coming up, and I think it was just so much more difficult to get discovered...


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: willynelson13 on July 14, 2017, 04:53:28 PM
Well seeing as the Larrivee's mentioned at the Vancouver guitar festival that they are going to start making electrics again this year, I don't think they feel the electric market is dying. That's all that matters to me. I started squirreling money away, and convincing my wife of my need of a Larrivee electric once I heard this at the festival.


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: broKen on July 14, 2017, 05:37:11 PM
I have yet to see the statistics that show overall electric guitar sales are down.  Difficult to gather that info, my guess.  What kids blare on the radio is also not an indication of whether or not people are buying and playing guitars.  Why Larrivée quit selling electrics might have something to do with their price point in a very saturated market. Very few kids would have been buying them or parents buying them as Birthday or graduation presents.

Yep, also there is a glut of used guitars changing hands. Those exchanges don't make it in sales statistics.


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: broKen on July 14, 2017, 05:40:15 PM
Even good music to listen to made by youngsters is presented in such different fashion these days.  Many kids produce Youtube music videos from their bedrooms and sometimes gain a million or more viewers.  Lots of 4 or 5 song EP's being released on itunes instead of full length albums too.  Even more single releases.  A lot easier to market yourself without a lot of overhead these days.  Bands seem to be able to fill their calendars with gigs from their followers without need of a management company.  None of these things were true when we were coming up, and I think it was just so much more difficult to get discovered...

Thanks for repeating my point, which may have been a little "blunt".  :laughin:


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: eded on July 14, 2017, 07:07:38 PM
It might just be time for electric guitars to lose favor...  they had a long run.  Some of the new dj gear and controller surfaces are pretty cool, and what these youngsters do with them is pretty well done and innovative.

As far as new music?  That I'm not especially fond of it is part of a he point, I think...  just like the blaring guitars of my generation being very different than the music of a generation or two before me.  That loud thumpty thump might just be the kids way of saying sit down and shut up old man.  That I get it, or like it has nothing to do with an artist producing their art.

Ed


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on July 14, 2017, 08:17:20 PM

As far as new music?  That I'm not especially fond of it is part of a he point, I think...  just like the blaring guitars of my generation being very different than the music of a generation or two before me.  That loud thumpty thump might just be the kids way of saying sit down and shut up old man.  That I get it, or like it has nothing to do with an artist producing their art.
Well put  :thumbsup


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: rockstar_not on July 14, 2017, 11:43:21 PM
It might just be time for electric guitars to lose favor...  they had a long run.  Some of the new dj gear and controller surfaces are pretty cool, and what these youngsters do with them is pretty well done and innovative.

As far as new music?  That I'm not especially fond of it is part of a he point, I think...  just like the blaring guitars of my generation being very different than the music of a generation or two before me.  That loud thumpty thump might just be the kids way of saying sit down and shut up old man.  That I get it, or like it has nothing to do with an artist producing their art.

Ed
Well said. The solo of any kind, guitar or keyboard or sax or even drums is going e these days. But there are great sounds coming from kids on electric guitars. Colony House is one. Vulfpeck is a current fave of mine even though their fan base is mostly 30 years younger than me. Some great funk there. If you like instrumental funk, go listen.


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: Mikeymac on July 15, 2017, 07:44:11 PM
Well seeing as the Larrivee's mentioned at the Vancouver guitar festival that they are going to start making electrics again this year, I don't think they feel the electric market is dying. That's all that matters to me. I started squirreling money away, and convincing my wife of my need of a Larrivee electric once I heard this at the festival.

More info needed about this! Spill the beans, man!

 :drool: :arrow :thumbsup


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: markj on July 16, 2017, 07:06:33 AM
Being an old(er) guy and coming from a classical/progressive rock music background, I don't like most music produced in the last 100 years. I'm only 55 ffs! I was always the "outcast" in my youth. I was always looking for and listening for, musicality, composition integrity, musical talent when playing, actually writing, recording, and playing live, your own original music, etc. I found that lacking in most of the music that most people, "like". I don't "like" music. I "love" music. Music is akin to breathing for me. Without it, I would rather cease to exist.

I was purchasing some nice single malt tonight and some typical hip-hop was playing on the sound system in the store. A younger guy standing next to me was tapping and beat boxing to the music. He was enjoying it and hitting every beat, on time. I was enjoying that he was enjoying it.  It brought a smile to my face and a nod to him.  Isn't that what music should do? Bring a smile? Bring us together as a universal language of sorts?

It's all relative anyway. What I find appealing, most of you would probably not. I can find a host of things "wrong" with most genres of music but that doesn't mean that you will find anything wrong with that particular genre.  A "twangy country voice" will have me running for the hills, screaming in pain. While a somber melody, with haunting lyrics will put me at ease. A driving well thought out, poly-rhythmic prog-rock epic will also be well received by my brain.  That doesn't mean that I don't respect the musical talent of the musicians of any genre that stretches or even breaks the limit of what my brain can take.

So, yes, I don't like this and I don't like that. But I love music and I respect any person who takes it upon themselves, to make it, in whatever form their brain prefers.

Here is a very recent release that my brain likes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXuLgg6f9JI&ytbChannel=ingoo90

As far as the electric guitar dying? Hmmm, that's a stretch but I can definitely see some of the points made. There are no more electric guitar "heroes" ?  I think there are, but they have yet to be discovered or possibly, even born yet.

Larrivee is going to make electrics again?  Hmmm... I can feel the GAS pains.  :laughin:



Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: willynelson13 on July 16, 2017, 05:45:52 PM
More info needed about this! Spill the beans, man!

 :drool: :arrow :thumbsup

Hey Mike I don't have too many details other than Jean and Matthew confirmed without a doubt, when directly asked if they would make electrics again. Matthew then revealed that it would be later this year, and they would start up with a "tele" style guitar. So I guess sometime in the next while we should see some new Bakersfields or Malibus. During his talk Jean was also praising all the amazing work Matthew was doing with pick up development. So perhaps we can expect a new generation of larrivee pups. Well that is all I have. I am just waiting for the official release and then choose my colour.
 :cheers


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: Walkerman on July 17, 2017, 08:04:22 AM
Being an old(er) guy and coming from a classical/progressive rock music background, I don't like most music produced in the last 100 years. I'm only 55 ffs! I was always the "outcast" in my youth. I was always looking for and listening for, musicality, composition integrity, musical talent when playing, actually writing, recording, and playing live, your own original music, etc. I found that lacking in most of the music that most people, "like". I don't "like" music. I "love" music. Music is akin to breathing for me. Without it, I would rather cease to exist.

I was purchasing some nice single malt tonight and some typical hip-hop was playing on the sound system in the store. A younger guy standing next to me was tapping and beat boxing to the music. He was enjoying it and hitting every beat, on time. I was enjoying that he was enjoying it.  It brought a smile to my face and a nod to him.  Isn't that what music should do? Bring a smile? Bring us together as a universal language of sorts?

It's all relative anyway. What I find appealing, most of you would probably not. I can find a host of things "wrong" with most genres of music but that doesn't mean that you will find anything wrong with that particular genre.  A "twangy country voice" will have me running for the hills, screaming in pain. While a somber melody, with haunting lyrics will put me at ease. A driving well thought out, poly-rhythmic prog-rock epic will also be well received by my brain.  That doesn't mean that I don't respect the musical talent of the musicians of any genre that stretches or even breaks the limit of what my brain can take.

So, yes, I don't like this and I don't like that. But I love music and I respect any person who takes it upon themselves, to make it, in whatever form their brain prefers.

Here is a very recent release that my brain likes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXuLgg6f9JI&ytbChannel=ingoo90

As far as the electric guitar dying? Hmmm, that's a stretch but I can definitely see some of the points made. There are no more electric guitar "heroes" ?  I think there are, but they have yet to be discovered or possibly, even born yet.

Larrivee is going to make electrics again?  Hmmm... I can feel the GAS pains.  :laughin:



So, would you go home and play the hip hop music the guy in the store was digging on?  Doubtful.  Would you close your eyes and imagine him enjoying the music, and consider that as being your listening to music?  Doubtful.


Title: Re: Washington Post - Slow Death of the Electric Guitar & why you should care
Post by: George on July 17, 2017, 07:18:28 PM
I don't know, maybe we should start a new thread for posting these examples?  I am posting this link here because I believe it clearly brings home the point that some of us have made that "All is not Yet Lost" with youth and music despite the downturns in the industry.  Please take a look, I am not a fan of this show, but I believe they found a miracle of determination in this Totally Deaf musician...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKSWXzAnVe0