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Title: 12 Strings
Post by: ducktrapper on June 20, 2017, 02:49:54 AM
While I'd love a Larrivee 12, I just don't play enough 12 string to warrant buying one. Presently, I own a very decent Washburn that I bought used for $200,00 and a really nice Yamaha Pacifica electric 12 string that I really like. Any thoughts on 12 strings?


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: AZLiberty on June 20, 2017, 03:16:59 AM
Thoughts...

Um, buy my D-03R-12?

12's tend to fall into two camps, jangly like a Taylor, or growling like a Guild.   I tend to prefer a growl/thump. 

If you like the dreadnought shape then there a a lot of options out there.  The Martin X-series is quite good, Larrivees of course, the new Taylor 150 that I don't like but others do, and vintage Guild 12s (as long as they are dreads) are crazy affordable for what you get.  And of course you can get a Seagull S12  (12 string version of the S6) for $200-250 on Craigslist all across this vast nation of ours.  (and presumably on Kijiji for our northern neighbors)

In the not terribly expensive range I actually really like the imported Breedloves.   The C/Concert shape is really comfortable as it is essentially a deep body OM.   Musicians Friend/Guitar center had them for something stupid like $400 a couple weeks ago.


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: Barefoot Rob on June 20, 2017, 03:29:01 AM
I have always owned a 12 string or three at time's.Right now I have a Seagul S12 that we use in the duo.Its played on 3 or 4 tune's.Having a 12 string can add some nice colour but can also be played waaaaay toooo much.I know a solo player that only plays 12 string which could be alrite but he mostly plays the higher strings for some unknown reason which keeps me from going to his gigs as I might have to hurt him with his guitar.Kottke  played both 6 and 12 string guitars as have many players.If the Washburn does the job for you there is no reason to buy another,with that said if I every have any extra money I would love to own an OM03/12 again just for my own use as I love playing a 12 string in open tunings.


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: broKen on June 20, 2017, 03:50:00 AM
I wouldn't mind trying one for a while. Not a dread though, and short scale would be required. Not sure what I'd do with it though,,,probably sell it for lack of use.


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: ducktrapper on June 20, 2017, 12:13:10 PM
Thoughts...

Um, buy my D-03R-12?

12's tend to fall into two camps, jangly like a Taylor, or growling like a Guild.   I tend to prefer a growl/thump.  

If you like the dreadnought shape then there a a lot of options out there.  The Martin X-series is quite good, Larrivees of course, the new Taylor 150 that I don't like but others do, and vintage Guild 12s (as long as they are dreads) are crazy affordable for what you get.  And of course you can get a Seagull S12  (12 string version of the S6) for $200-250 on Craigslist all across this vast nation of ours.  (and presumably on Kijiji for our northern neighbors)

In the not terribly expensive range I actually really like the imported Breedloves.   The C/Concert shape is really comfortable as it is essentially a deep body OM.   Musicians Friend/Guitar center had them for something stupid like $400 a couple weeks ago.

Your ad is what got me thinking but I think I really don't need another one or a better one. The Washburn is actually quite enough of a guitar for my purposes. When I bought it, I also tried a used Taylor 12er that GC wanted $2,200.00 for. I thought to myself, this guitar is not 2K better than this Washburn for $200.00. It's a pretty nice guitar. Plays well, sounds good and stays in tune. I made the mistake of saying that to the young dude who was working there and had my hearing and/or experience insulted by the little creep with a man bun. Heh.  
Anyway, other than that, Gordon Lightfoot songs demand one.  


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: eded on June 20, 2017, 06:10:39 PM
I have a love/hate relationship with 12 strings...  the guitar that got me interested in acoustics (after ??? about 20 years of playing electrics, and acoustic only because there was no electricity available) was a 12 string (that my girlfriend and eventually wife encouraged me to buy!).  I've probably been through 20 12 strings over the past 25 years.  I don't have one, and need to have one.  Then I  get one and play it for a while, and it sits.  An unplayed instrument is a sad thing to me so I sell it off.

A few weeks ago, I found a guy who didn't want his Martin D12X1AE, but did want some old rack gear I had.  It sounds ok for a solid top Formica back guitar and plays nice.   I think I did well with the trade.

Ed


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: ducktrapper on June 20, 2017, 08:55:16 PM
I think mine sounds better than this one but it's the same model.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h2yeG6Yl0E


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: George on June 20, 2017, 11:09:42 PM
A Yamaha 12 string was my second acoustic guitar, and I kept and played it for many years.  No telling how many labor hours I put into making that guitar as playable as I could.  The older I get the harder it is for me to play those wider necks, although that "jangle" is a distinctly sweet string sound.  I finally bought a "Mosaic" pedal that does a fairly decent job of electronically duplicating the string pairing, including the octaves.  At least it sounds a lot like a real 12...  not the same but it works for me.


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: AZLiberty on June 21, 2017, 02:12:43 AM

Anyway, other than that, Gordon Lightfoot songs demand one.  

Aadd9, Em, G, D repeat till fingers fall off.   :laughin:  But seriously Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald tends to be the first tune I play to test out a guitar.

One of the comments above got me thinking though.  Sunday I was being nice to the wife and restrung her OM-03 for her. Then being a bit of a joker I left it in DADGAD.   

Maybe I should take one of my 12's and try it in DADGAD...


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: AZLiberty on June 21, 2017, 02:24:34 AM
I will normally do one or two songs in a set on a 12.   Generally not something overly complicated because frankly I'm not that good.  On the other hand a 12 simply gives a different "presence" than a 6

Here's a song I wrote and sang for a science fiction convention a while back (don't ask either you understand or the explanation would take way too long).  

It a basic arpegiated pattern, but you simply can't get this type of ethereal sound out of a six string

https://youtu.be/Z9lXYY-pH2U



Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: webberink on June 21, 2017, 06:15:59 PM
If you love the wreck of the Edmond Fitzgerald by Lightfoots on the 12 string, you will love this on a 12 string in DADGAD.  Its my favorite song to do in DADGAD on a 12 string. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fT-aEcPgkuA&list=RDfT-aEcPgkuA#t=40 
Dave


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: ducktrapper on June 21, 2017, 07:22:58 PM
TWOTEF, while having an easy chord progression, has too many words for me.  I tend to go with Did She Mention My Name, Rich Man's Spiritual, For Lovin' Me and Early Morning Rain when I do Gordie. I can remember them.   :arrow   


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: Mikeymac on June 22, 2017, 02:33:08 AM

TWOTEF, while having an easy chord progression, has too many words for me.   


Yeah, but any song with the words "Gitche Gumee" in it that is considered serious art (rather than just a bubble gum love song) has to be sung on occasion!


Aadd9, Em, G, D repeat till fingers fall off.   :laughin:  But seriously Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald tends to be the first tune I play to test out a guitar.


Do you also add capo, like the original?


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: ducktrapper on June 22, 2017, 05:30:24 PM
Yeah, but any song with the words "Gitche Gumee" in it that is considered serious art (rather than just a bubble gum love song) has to be sung on occasion!

I guess. However, I have a song of my own with those words, so I'm good.   :beer

Of course, it's not a 12 string, it's my '75 L.  I apologize for mispronouncing the main street of Amersterdam. Should be pronounced 'lide se pline'.  

https://www.reverbnation.com/thomaslee4/song/22569159-april-in-amsterdam


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: AZLiberty on June 24, 2017, 01:55:02 AM
Yeah, but any song with the words "Gitche Gumee" in it that is considered serious art (rather than just a bubble gum love song) has to be sung on occasion!

Do you also add capo, like the original?

Lightfoot plays is capo II but Lightfoot also has his guitar tuned down 2 half steps. which brings it back to concert pitch.


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: ducktrapper on June 24, 2017, 11:45:18 AM
Lightfoot plays is capo II but Lightfoot also has his guitar tuned down 2 half steps. which brings it back to concert pitch.

I've always tuned my 12s down a whole step like that and made good use of a capo.


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on June 24, 2017, 01:09:50 PM
Yeah, but any song with the words "Gitche Gumee" in it that is considered serious art (rather than just a bubble gum love song) has to be sung on occasion!

I believe he got that from one of the many news articles he used to write the song within a year of the disaster


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: ducktrapper on June 24, 2017, 01:29:39 PM
I believe he got that from one of the many news articles he used to write the song within a year of the disaster

Those of us who have lived on the big lake use the term quite often. 

http://www.lakesuperior.com/the-lake/lake-superior/281almanac/


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: Riverbend on June 24, 2017, 05:43:16 PM
Those of us who have lived on the big lake use the term quite often. 

http://www.lakesuperior.com/the-lake/lake-superior/281almanac/
Still call it that even though it's been 30 years since I called it's shores home.
I've got a Gibson 12 string I bought new back in '88. Sweet, sweet sounding guitar that has sadly become a case queen due mostly to hand issues. It needs a new home and I'll start that process someday soon.   


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: ducktrapper on June 25, 2017, 10:20:09 PM
I'm even more impressed with this Washburn after reading about them. I assumed that it had a solid spruce top and laminated back and sides but, apparently it isn't a laminate. It's mahogany. For around $300.00 new? Best bang for the buck since Larrivee made 01's.  I'm going to keep my eye out for a 6 string version.


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: Mikeymac on June 25, 2017, 10:54:00 PM
I'm even more impressed with this Washburn after reading about them. I assumed that it had a solid spruce top and laminated back and sides but, apparently it isn't a laminate. It's mahogany. For around $300.00 new? Best bang for the buck since Larrivee made 01's.  I'm going to keep my eye out for a 6 string version.

Link to where you can find these? (I know - no lefties)


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: Mikeymac on June 26, 2017, 12:12:50 AM
I guess. However, I have a song of my own with those words, so I'm good.   :beer

Of course, it's not a 12 string, it's my '75 L.  I apologize for mispronouncing the main street of Amersterdam. Should be pronounced 'lide se pline'.  

https://www.reverbnation.com/thomaslee4/song/22569159-april-in-amsterdam


Nice tune, Tom, and I like the accompaniment.  And you went from Gitche Gumee to Zuider Zee... my daughter recently lived on Zuider Zee Drive in Orange City, IA - a very Dutch community and also where she graduated from (Northwestern) College (a very Dutch/Reformed Church school). (Full disclosure - I'm half Dutch - my mom's maiden name was Zylstra - but I've never been to the Netherlands.)


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: ducktrapper on June 26, 2017, 10:57:10 AM
Link to where you can find these? (I know - no lefties)

Looks like they may no longer be available new.  Here are some used ones at Reverb.com and I don't see a lefty.

https://reverb.com/item/454360-washburn-d10s-12-d-10s12-d-10-s-12-string-acoustic-guitar

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars/washburn-d10s12-12-string-dreadnought-acoustic-guitar-w-case


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: ducktrapper on June 26, 2017, 11:23:27 AM
Nice tune, Tom, and I like the accompaniment.  And you went from Gitche Gumee to Zuider Zee... my daughter recently lived on Zuider Zee Drive in Orange City, IA - a very Dutch community and also where she graduated from (Northwestern) College (a very Dutch/Reformed Church school). (Full disclosure - I'm half Dutch - my mom's maiden name was Zylstra - but I've never been to the Netherlands.)

Thanks. I've never been to the Netherlands either. Several years back I ran into an old friend and wonderful guitar player,  Terry Erickson aka Doc Tibbles,  (who is mentioned in Neil Young's autobiography) and he told me that a song off his new CD was hot in Amsterdam and he was going there in April to do some shows. I told him I'd write him a song for the occasion. I wrote it from Doc's POV, slipping in "picking out Candyman" one of his favorite tunes. Funny thing is, the thing fell through and Doc never went to Amsterdam and never learned the tune. I thought I might as well keep it. 


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: Walkerman on June 26, 2017, 01:02:06 PM
Thanks. I've never been to the Netherlands either. Several years back I ran into an old friend and wonderful guitar player,  Terry Erickson aka Doc Tibbles,  (who is mentioned in Neil Young's autobiography) and he told me that a song off his new CD was hot in Amsterdam and he was going there in April to do some shows. I told him I'd write him a song for the occasion. I wrote it from Doc's POV, slipping in "picking out Candyman" one of his favorite tunes. Funny thing is, the thing fell through and Doc never went to Amsterdam and never learned the tune. I thought I might as well keep it. 

Walkerman and Walkerwoman will be in he Netherlands in three days.  As for twelve strings .... required for the music I grew up with

Walk Right In
Eve of Destruction
Hide Your Love Away
Mr Tambourine Man
Ticket to Ride

And on and on.  I love my Rickenbacker, but I hate changing strings.  Worst headstock design ever.



Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: Danny on June 26, 2017, 03:25:19 PM
Got myself a local lead on a Larrivee 12 string. Hoping to check it out soon.


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: Mikeymac on June 26, 2017, 07:35:14 PM
Thanks. I've never been to the Netherlands either. Several years back I ran into an old friend and wonderful guitar player,  Terry Erickson aka Doc Tibbles,  (who is mentioned in Neil Young's autobiography) and he told me that a song off his new CD was hot in Amsterdam and he was going there in April to do some shows. I told him I'd write him a song for the occasion. I wrote it from Doc's POV, slipping in "picking out Candyman" one of his favorite tunes. Funny thing is, the thing fell through and Doc never went to Amsterdam and never learned the tune. I thought I might as well keep it. 

So maybe this is how some of the best songs get written... in anticipation of what someone else might do... or not.


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: teh on June 27, 2017, 02:57:33 AM
Based on personal experience, I would not buy an inexpensive 12 string without careful consideration and I think it pays to spend a little extra money to purchase quality.  12 string necks are tricky and it takes a while to find the right one that is both playable and stays in tune.

When I started playing, a lot of people influenced me. John Denver played a Guild 12 string, switched to a Yamaha and ended up with a Taylor while Gordon Lightfoot played a Gibson B-45 and he still has two of them. One capoed at the third fret in dropped D. Leo Kottke started with a Gibson, switched to a Martin, then a Bozo and finally a Taylor signature model.

My first 12 string was an Ovation Pacemaker that was a factory second and it was the only guitar I ever sold. It took me a long time to decide on another 12 string and it came down to a Taylor or a Larrivee. I wanted something special so I added a cutaway and a mahogany top along with a bone nut/saddle. I just played it for 45 minutes tonight. This guitar handles strumming and finger picking easily and the mahogany top reduces the jangle while maintaining the full sound of all 12 strings. The Larrivee L Body is the perfect shape for a 12 string from my perspective and at some point, I would like to pick up the same guitar with a flamed or quilted maple back and sides.


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: eded on June 27, 2017, 03:17:59 AM
Based on personal experience, I would not buy an inexpensive 12 string without careful consideration and I think it pays to spend a little extra money to purchase quality.  12 string necks are tricky and it takes a while to find the right one that is both playable and stays in tune.

When I started playing, a lot of people influenced me. John Denver played a Guild 12 string, switched to a Yamaha and ended up with a Taylor while Gordon Lightfoot played a Gibson B-45 and he still has two of them. One capoed at the third fret in dropped D. Leo Kottke started with a Gibson, switched to a Martin, then a Bozo and finally a Taylor signature model.

My first 12 string was an Ovation Pacemaker that was a factory second and it was the only guitar I ever sold. It took me a long time to decide on another 12 string and it came down to a Taylor or a Larrivee. I wanted something special so I added a cutaway and a mahogany top along with a bone nut/saddle. I just played it for 45 minutes tonight. This guitar handles strumming and finger picking easily and the mahogany top reduces the jangle while maintaining the full sound of all 12 strings. The Larrivee L Body is the perfect shape for a 12 string from my perspective and at some point, I would like to pick up the same guitar with a flamed or quilted maple back and sides.

I fully realize it's a complete package... the way each component adds up to make a composite instrument, but I have long said, if someone could meld a Taylor 12 string neck and a Guild 12 string jumbo body, you'd end up with the ultimate 12 string.

That said, after listening to people play Martin, Guild, Taylor, Gibson, Ovation, Yamaha, Larrivee, and just about every other brand out there and sound amazing, practice and dedication outdoes brand every time.

Ed


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: Mikeymac on June 27, 2017, 03:43:20 AM

My first 12 string was an Ovation Pacemaker that was a factory second and it was the only guitar I ever sold. It took me a long time to decide on another 12 string and it came down to a Taylor or a Larrivee. I wanted something special so I added a cutaway and a mahogany top along with a bone nut/saddle.
 

It would have to be special to sit in with those Martin's you have! Nice little collection of acoustics! Would love to see a few pictures of that custom 000 with the 3-piece mahogany back... you could start a new thread for that if you don't want to sidetrack this 12-string topic...

 :drool:


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: ducktrapper on June 27, 2017, 01:18:11 PM
Based on personal experience, I would not buy an inexpensive 12 string without careful consideration and I think it pays to spend a little extra money to purchase quality.  12 string necks are tricky and it takes a while to find the right one that is both playable and stays in tune.

When I started playing, a lot of people influenced me. John Denver played a Guild 12 string, switched to a Yamaha and ended up with a Taylor while Gordon Lightfoot played a Gibson B-45 and he still has two of them. One capoed at the third fret in dropped D. Leo Kottke started with a Gibson, switched to a Martin, then a Bozo and finally a Taylor signature model.

My first 12 string was an Ovation Pacemaker that was a factory second and it was the only guitar I ever sold. It took me a long time to decide on another 12 string and it came down to a Taylor or a Larrivee. I wanted something special so I added a cutaway and a mahogany top along with a bone nut/saddle. I just played it for 45 minutes tonight. This guitar handles strumming and finger picking easily and the mahogany top reduces the jangle while maintaining the full sound of all 12 strings. The Larrivee L Body is the perfect shape for a 12 string from my perspective and at some point, I would like to pick up the same guitar with a flamed or quilted maple back and sides.

Based on my own experience, if you want a nice 12 string and can find one, the Washburn D-10S-12 is an excellent choice and, like some continue to say about Larrivees, is a lot of bang for the buck.  :beer


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: ducktrapper on June 27, 2017, 01:20:03 PM
So maybe this is how some of the best songs get written... in anticipation of what someone else might do... or not.

Could be. The songs I've written for other people sometimes turn out to be my better songs, that's for sure. 


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: ducktrapper on June 28, 2017, 12:54:34 AM
Walkerman and Walkerwoman will be in he Netherlands in three days.  As for twelve strings .... required for the music I grew up with

Walk Right In
Eve of Destruction
Hide Your Love Away
Mr Tambourine Man
Ticket to Ride

And on and on.  I love my Rickenbacker, but I hate changing strings.  Worst headstock design ever.



What a wonderful world we live in! I looked the lyrics up for every one of those songs and played them. Fun ensued. Here's another for you. 'What You're Doing' by the Beatles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aKEoD9PDuw   


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: George on June 28, 2017, 01:18:07 AM
  I love my Rickenbacker, but I hate changing strings.  Worst headstock design ever.


Must be a model 360?


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: kwakatak on July 17, 2017, 02:18:07 AM
While I'd love a Larrivee 12, I just don't play enough 12 string to warrant buying one. Presently, I own a very decent Washburn that I bought used for $200,00 and a really nice Yamaha Pacifica electric 12 string that I really like. Any thoughts on 12 strings?

Two years ago my mother bought me an inexpensive Epiphone Texan FT-160N 12 string that still is in dire need of repair. Even though the neck is a bolt on, it is more like an electric guitar in design at the neck joint and after doing some research I found that these models really suffered greatly for it.

Nowadays I admit that I do lust for a Taylor 12 string. Others have commented on Taylors being "jangly" but I submit that they should try the new Grand Auditorium in a 12 string. I am haunted by the 458e, but it's around $2K and I can't justify spending more than $1000 on ANY guitar. Thus the 254ce DLX  is more my speed - even if the back and sides are "layered."


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: AZLiberty on July 17, 2017, 03:48:32 AM
I submit that they should try the new Grand Auditorium in a 12 string.

I have a Grand Auditorium  Taylor.  It's jangly compared to my Larrivee or Guild.    :laughin:

I'd love a Breedlove American Series or Oregon series 12, but I seriously need to so something about the 12-string proliferation around here first.


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: kwakatak on July 19, 2017, 04:32:05 PM
I have a Grand Auditorium  Taylor.  It's jangly compared to my Larrivee or Guild.    :laughin:

I'd love a Breedlove American Series or Oregon series 12, but I seriously need to so something about the 12-string proliferation around here first.

My mistake. I meant "Grand Orchestra" as in the -18 and -58 models. They are bigger than the GS models and have lots of bass.


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: AZLiberty on July 20, 2017, 06:38:39 AM
My mistake. I meant "Grand Orchestra" as in the -18 and -58 models. They are bigger than the GS models and have lots of bass.

I believe I tried to play one of those last time I was at LA Guitar Sales.  Ted let me try one.   

They make a dreadnought feel like a parlor.


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: ffinke on July 22, 2017, 04:52:26 AM
I have always owned a 12 string or three at time's.Right now I have a Seagul S12 that we use in the duo.Its played on 3 or 4 tune's.Having a 12 string can add some nice colour but can also be played waaaaay toooo much.I know a solo player that only plays 12 string which could be alrite but he mostly plays the higher strings for some unknown reason which keeps me from going to his gigs as I might have to hurt him with his guitar.Kottke  played both 6 and 12 string guitars as have many players.If the Washburn does the job for you there is no reason to buy another,with that said if I every have any extra money I would love to own an OM03/12 again just for my own use as I love playing a 12 string in open tunings.

Rob, I'm with you on the OM-03/12. Wonder why they aren't made anymore; Taylor just came out with the 562ce (small body-12 string). And I just read they have a short scale 352/362ce also which is a little lower in price point (just introduced at Nashville NAMM).


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: songman2 on August 21, 2017, 06:25:35 PM
Thoughts...

Um, buy my D-03R-12?

12's tend to fall into two camps, jangly like a Taylor,

You clearly have not heard the 562ce or even better the K62ce or you would not be saying that  :winkin:


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: Rockysdad on August 22, 2017, 12:39:08 AM
I have a Guild D1212, all mahogany, solid wood . Plays great, stays in tune, and has a great sound.  You just can't believe it for what they sell for.
 :thumb :thumb


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: Mikeymac on September 28, 2017, 06:15:19 PM
I jumped into the 12-string pool this morning!

I looked for a used lefty Larrivee - couldn't really find one... looked at the low-end Martin - they get decent reviews, but I couldn't get excited about their bare bones specs...

Looked at the low end Taylor as well; same thing. Saw a used Ovation 12... too risky, neck could be screwed up, and I'm pretty much done with Ovations (might keep one of the two I have...)

Found a Takamine ETN40C - don't know where they come up with their model system, but it's a cedar top/sapele b/s. Mint condition, an older model, not a cheapy newer version (these sold back in the day for around $1,500).

Should arrive sometime next week (coming from Florida, Rob!), looking forward to giving a hands on review.  My past experience with Tak's is that they're well built, good quality materials, necks are always straight as an arrow, and they play great. Sound can be all over the map, but the seller's sound clips of this one (through the pickup, no doubt) sounded very balanced, and I'm assuming for my purposes I'll be satisfied with the tone.

Here are a few pics (from the seller):


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: Barefoot Rob on September 28, 2017, 06:29:24 PM
WAY COOL!!!!!The older Tak's are really nice I once owned for 2 days an N20 jumbo 6 that had a solid ceder top with laminated mahogany back and side's great sounding guitar.I lost it to a friend on a Tuesday night scotch and guitar night.I've lost a few guitars to him.

It looks like it has a pu installed as I can see a vol.control in the sound hole,do you know what its got?


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: Mikeymac on September 28, 2017, 07:07:49 PM
Rob,

It actually has one of the dreaded cutouts in the top side of the guitar...I'll have to let that pass this time (since it's on laminated sapele sides). So it has one of their built in eq systems on it - from reviews I've been reading on line, these sound excellent plugged in...

...another bonus of the tuner: you can recalibrate it to tune the guitar below standard pitch...

...also, confirmed that the guitar is one of their Made in Japan models...

Here's a pic of the eq:



Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: L07 Shooting Star on September 29, 2017, 04:50:08 AM
Rob,

It actually has one of the dreaded cutouts in the top side of the guitar...I'll have to let that pass this time (since it's on laminated sapele sides). So it has one of their built in eq systems on it - from reviews I've been reading on line, these sound excellent plugged in...

...another bonus of the tuner: you can recalibrate it to tune the guitar below standard pitch...

...also, confirmed that the guitar is one of their Made in Japan models...

Here's a pic of the eq:

Nothing wrong with having great amplified sound and the means to control it right on the guitar in a handy place.  I bet it sounds great plugged in.  And it's a looker too.


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: Mikeymac on October 05, 2017, 04:32:27 PM
The guitar arrived yesterday... absolutely mint condition, but more importantly, it plays like butter (as you'd expect from a Tak), and sounds good. I mentioned in a thread on the main forum that I'd like a little more low end - but I can get that when plugged in. And the barn door on this one doesn't bother me, because it's around the edge by the neck, so you don't see it when playing.

Looking forward to spending some more time with this beauty ... Already started working on the intro to Mr. Tambourine Man and Turn, Turn, Turn...


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: George on October 05, 2017, 08:29:17 PM
I jumped into the 12-string pool this morning!

I looked for a used lefty Larrivee - couldn't really find one... looked at the low-end Martin - they get decent reviews, but I couldn't get excited about their bare bones specs...

Looked at the low end Taylor as well; same thing. Saw a used Ovation 12... too risky, neck could be screwed up, and I'm pretty much done with Ovations (might keep one of the two I have...)

Found a Takamine ETN40C - don't know where they come up with their model system, but it's a cedar top/sapele b/s. Mint condition, an older model, not a cheapy newer version (these sold back in the day for around $1,500).

Should arrive sometime next week (coming from Florida, Rob!), looking forward to giving a hands on review.  My past experience with Tak's is that they're well built, good quality materials, necks are always straight as an arrow, and they play great. Sound can be all over the map, but the seller's sound clips of this one (through the pickup, no doubt) sounded very balanced, and I'm assuming for my purposes I'll be satisfied with the tone.

Here are a few pics (from the seller):

Congrats Rev!  I have an ETN10C with the same top, back and sides as yours, it is all solid wood too, in a dread cutaway.  I researched old models in the archive on the Takamine site and found out it was a pro model that they offered during their 50th Anniversary year.  The ETN40C-12 is not listed in the archive (but the 40C is), but I can tell from your photos that it was made that same year (look at the sticker in the upper right hand portion of your soundhole).  The ETN40 is an NEX body
(small jumbo).  Great guitars...   link to archive  http://www.takamine.com/ETN40C   details the wood inlays, etc.....


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: Mikeymac on October 05, 2017, 09:16:52 PM
Congrats Rev!  I have an ETN10C with the same top, back and sides as yours, it is all solid wood too, in a dread cutaway.  I researched old models in the archive on the Takamine site and found out it was a pro model that they offered during their 50th Anniversary year.  The ETN40C-12 is not listed in the archive (but the 40C is), but I can tell from your photos that it was made that same year (look at the sticker in the upper right hand portion of your soundhole).  The ETN40 is an NEX body
(small jumbo).  Great guitars...   link to archive  http://www.takamine.com/ETN40C   details the wood inlays, etc.....

Thanks, George! I did find that link when I was researching this thing. Only difference is it has laminated sides but solid cedar top and solid sapele back. But no complaints...it should scratch my 12-string itch really well!


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: Barefoot Rob on October 05, 2017, 11:58:33 PM
Yari's have solid tops and backs with laminated side's.I once ask them why and was told that the only thing the sides were for was to hold the top and back in place all the sound came from the top and the reflexion of the back for tone.


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: L07 Shooting Star on October 06, 2017, 03:30:12 AM
... Already started working on the intro to Mr. Tambourine Man and Turn, Turn, Turn...

Of course.  Enjoy.


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: headsup on October 09, 2017, 11:39:01 PM
and this just in.......

https://reverb.com/news/tom-petty-describes-the-allure-of-the-12-string-in-previously-unpublished-interview


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: Mikeymac on October 10, 2017, 04:43:20 AM
and this just in.......

https://reverb.com/news/tom-petty-describes-the-allure-of-the-12-string-in-previously-unpublished-interview

Thanks for that - that was a good read - and timely. RIP, TP.


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: L07 Shooting Star on October 10, 2017, 05:09:14 AM
If I was ever to get an electric 12-string, it would be a Rickenbacker 360/12 (ala Harrison) or 370/12 (ala McGuinn).


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: George on October 10, 2017, 01:20:21 PM
If I was ever to get an electric 12-string, it would be a Rickenbacker 360/12 (ala Harrison) or 370/12 (ala McGuinn).

 :+1:  ME TOO!


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on October 10, 2017, 02:23:28 PM
If I was ever to get an electric 12-string, it would be a Rickenbacker 360/12 (ala Harrison) or 370/12 (ala McGuinn).

Sadly mine is a bit of a case-queen


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: Barefoot Rob on October 10, 2017, 03:01:07 PM
I've converted a few 12 strings to get the sound of a Rick and have come very close by striging the guitar like a Rick with the octive string on the outside,both electric and acoustic.


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: AZLiberty on October 11, 2017, 05:15:17 AM
and this just in.......

https://reverb.com/news/tom-petty-describes-the-allure-of-the-12-string-in-previously-unpublished-interview

Read that the other day (was posed over on the AGF).  Now I have GAS for a wide neck Ric in fireglo


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: L07 Shooting Star on October 12, 2017, 02:27:04 AM
Sadly mine is a bit of a case-queen

Andrew, can you elaborate?  Not into 12-strings?  Don't like how it plays/sounds?  Too many guitars to play?


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: eded on October 12, 2017, 11:24:44 AM
If I was ever to get an electric 12-string, it would be a Rickenbacker 360/12 (ala Harrison) or 370/12 (ala McGuinn).

My only real “one that got away” story was a mid-60s Fender Electric XII.  That thing played and sounded great.  I was sure I wanted an acoustic and I traded it for a Taylor.  At the time, I couldn’t afford both.  Man, I’d love to have that guitar back.

Ed


Title: Re: 12 Strings
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on October 12, 2017, 11:57:11 AM
  Too many guitars to play?
Unfortunately or fortunately as it beats the opposite I suppose. Regardless it is what it is. Haven't had the guitar out of its case in more than 2 years........  uggggg!