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Title: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: Blueser on March 21, 2017, 01:31:58 PM
Hi,

I was wondering if the Gotoh mid-size 510 tuners are a drop in replacement for the Faradyne tuners that Larrivee is shipping on  their new L-09's.  Can anyone please shed some light on this?

Thanks,
Dave


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: George on March 21, 2017, 06:36:51 PM
The Larrivee branded tuners with standard offset screw hole can be directly replaced with Gotoh SGL510 (18:1) and SGL510Z (21:1 tuning ratio) series tuning machines, they just drop right in...


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: Blueser on March 21, 2017, 06:49:29 PM
Thank you George.  Other than the obvious, is there any real benefit to going with 21:1 vs 18:1?  Are they higher quality or just fewer turns to get to pitch?


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: Walkerman on March 21, 2017, 06:57:22 PM
The 21:1 tuners are more turns, not less.  Hence, they are more precise.


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: Blueser on March 21, 2017, 07:31:33 PM
Uhhh....Yes.  :-)


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: Blueser on March 21, 2017, 07:32:58 PM
James Goodall uses 18:1 on his guitars which are $7K and up, so I would imagine those would be fine for my L-09.


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: ducktrapper on March 21, 2017, 07:37:18 PM
I put in Gotoh 510 Contours (21:1) in my D-05. Just dropped right in. I love both the looks of them and how they work. More turns is only an issue, if  you can call it that, when changing strings or changing tunings. They are very precise once the strings are tuned to pitch.  


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: Blueser on March 21, 2017, 07:47:26 PM
Where did you buy them if you don't mind me asking.  I've only seen the 18:1 on Stew Mac.


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: eded on March 21, 2017, 08:00:36 PM
lmii.com (Luthiers Mercantile)  and allparts.com  (All Parts) both carry them...  Others too, but these are the 2 places that immediately come to mind.

Ed


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: George on March 21, 2017, 09:11:50 PM
Where did you buy them if you don't mind me asking.  I've only seen the 18:1 on Stew Mac.

japarts.ca is a distributor and sells on ebay too.  Josh Gemmell is my contact in Canada, he is in partnership with another man in Japan.


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: George on March 21, 2017, 10:11:28 PM
Thank you George.  Other than the obvious, is there any real benefit to going with 21:1 vs 18:1?  Are they higher quality or just fewer turns to get to pitch?

Much more precise tuning, I have put them on all my Larrivee's with offset tuning machines.  I much prefer the 21:1 ratio over any other.  BTW, other custom builders use them on their more expensive guitars as well...


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: ducktrapper on March 21, 2017, 11:41:28 PM
Where did you buy them if you don't mind me asking.  I've only seen the 18:1 on Stew Mac.

http://www.lmii.com/

http://www.lmii.com/products/mostly-not-wood/tuning-machines/steel-string-tuners/gotoh-510-tuners


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: Blueser on March 22, 2017, 02:15:56 AM
Thanks very much to everyone for the helpful replies and information.  I am going to order the 21:1 ratio tuners.  Now I just need to choose between chrome and chrome with black buttons.  If the buttons weren't plastic, I would probably lean in the direction of black buttons.  I don't want all black tuners, otherwise I would have bought cosmo black, which is pretty cool.

Any pics of your headstocks with different options would be greatly appreciated.   :bgrin:


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: Walkerman on March 22, 2017, 02:33:35 PM
get gold with black or ivoroid buttons


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: Blueser on March 22, 2017, 02:37:04 PM
I'm not much of a gold hardware guys and I did not see ivoroid buttons as an option.  I will take another look, but they will definitely be chrome.  If it were an L10 then maybe gold., but I don't want the bling on this guitar.  It's going to be a workhorse guitar for me.


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: ducktrapper on March 22, 2017, 05:39:24 PM
I'm not much of a gold hardware guys and I did not see ivoroid buttons as an option.  I will take another look, but they will definitely be chrome.  If it were an L10 then maybe gold., but I don't want the bling on this guitar.  It's going to be a workhorse guitar for me.

The chrome ones are very nice.


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: Mr_LV19E on March 23, 2017, 05:48:49 PM
What is wrong with the Faradyne tuners Larrivee uses now?  I know there is a lot of dislike for the Pings they used to use although I've never experienced any problems myself.  I thought the Faradynes were supposed to be superior to the Gotohs.


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Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: Walkerman on March 27, 2017, 08:55:42 PM
Uhhh....Yes.  :-)

"  Are they higher quality or just fewer turns to get to pitch?"

Uhhhhhhh ..... yes .....more turns, not fewer.


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: eded on March 27, 2017, 09:07:51 PM
What is wrong with the Faradyne tuners Larrivee uses now?  I know there is a lot of dislike for the Pings they used to use although I've never experienced any problems myself.  I thought the Faradynes were supposed to be superior to the Gotohs.


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I have wanted to put some 21:1 Gotoh's on my parlor for a while, to replace the existing Pings.  The fact that the Pings are still working flawlessly keeps me from going for it.

Ed


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: George on March 27, 2017, 10:53:34 PM
I have wanted to put some 21:1 Gotoh's on my parlor for a while, to replace the existing Pings.  The fact that the Pings are still working flawlessly keeps me from going for it.

Ed

The parlor would take mini's?  I do not believe Gotoh is making a 22:1 ratio in a mini....


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: eded on March 27, 2017, 11:57:42 PM
The parlor would take mini's?  I do not believe Gotoh is making a 22:1 ratio in a mini....

Hmmm...  I remember Larry Pattis (an acquaintance/friend through another guitar group) put some on a PV-09.  I'll have to ask him. 

Ed


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: Blueser on March 29, 2017, 08:52:31 PM
So, one last time here.  Do I need to buy the mini or the mid size tuners?  I just got my L-09 and the Faradynes look to be the size of the Gotoh 510 mini tuners that are on my Goodall.  Can some please confirm whether I should be using the mini or mid size 510s.

Sorry for being so dense here, but I just want to get it right.

Thanks,
Dave


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: George on March 29, 2017, 09:59:08 PM
The L body would take the mid size Gotoh 510 not the mini.


Title: Re: Gotoh 510 Tuner Upgrade on L-09
Post by: Blueser on March 29, 2017, 10:04:11 PM
Thanks George.