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Title: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: ducktrapper on January 27, 2017, 08:30:16 PM
I was listening to Blodwyn Pig today. Great English blues/rock band from the late 60's. Guitarist Mick Abrahams left Jethro Tull after Tull's first album and formed BP. Their first album Ahead (sic) Rings Out is a great blues album from that period. However, I believe if they had have given themselves a more flattering name and a less controversial album cover they may have had a long successful career and be mentioned in the same breath as Cream, Clapton, Fleetwood Mac and the other great British blues bands.  

Anyone think of any other bands/artists who "shot themselves in the foot" with dumb, albeit perhaps with honest intentions and artistic integrity, career moves.    


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blodwyn_Pig

(http://tralfaz-archives.com/coverart/B/blodwyn_aheadF.jpg)



Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: flatlander on January 30, 2017, 03:23:24 PM
I don't know right off but that's one hip pig!


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: ducktrapper on January 30, 2017, 03:42:24 PM
I don't know right off but that's one hip pig!

Sure 'nuff. And one great album! 


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: rockstar_not on January 30, 2017, 10:51:47 PM
When U2 showed up in everyone's iTunes as a gift. Many unhappy people with that. I think they have survived the injury


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: ducktrapper on January 30, 2017, 11:17:28 PM
When U2 showed up in everyone's iTunes as a gift. Many unhappy people with that. I think they have survived the injury

I'm not quite sure I understand that. Actually, I'm pretty sure I don't. At least, the first part.  :smile: 


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: SMan on January 31, 2017, 03:13:20 AM
When U2 showed up in everyone's iTunes as a gift. Many unhappy people with that. I think they have survived the injury

Its funny you mention that as I was wondering just the other day why it was there as I didn't remember ordering it.  Mystery solved.   Thanks :thumbsup


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: ducktrapper on January 31, 2017, 03:19:07 AM
Do I understand that U2 gave away some music and people are upset?


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: rockstar_not on January 31, 2017, 03:43:16 AM
Do I understand that U2 gave away some music and people are upset?

Yes - they gave away their last album by having it automatically load into people's iTunes accounts.  Many people were upset.  I am a huge U2 fan, and really only care for 1 of the songs.



Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: ducktrapper on January 31, 2017, 03:54:46 AM
Yes - they gave away their last album by having it automatically load into people's iTunes accounts.  Many people were upset.  I am a huge U2 fan, and really only care for 1 of the songs.



Why the anger? Only those who don't have Itune accounts? Could you still buy it in other formats? CD?


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: rockstar_not on January 31, 2017, 04:04:10 AM
Why the anger? Only those who don't have Itune accounts? Could you still buy it in other formats? CD?

People that like to bag on U2 and particularly Bono, declared it was a presumptuous move to think that everyone wanted free U2 music.  U2 had a pretty funny response to the whole thing.

Here's a link to the video: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1127818/Bono-apologizes-iTunes-album-release.html



Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: rockstar_not on January 31, 2017, 04:05:56 AM
Here it is:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/news/video-1127818/Bono-apologizes-iTunes-album-release.html


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: ducktrapper on January 31, 2017, 02:17:16 PM
Well, I have to say I don't get it. Can't you delete it if you don't like or want it? Ignore it? Just not play it? Is that the only format it was available in? Anyway, this comes across more like a band that got soot on their face rather than shot themselves in the foot.   :beer


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: L07 Shooting Star on February 01, 2017, 07:01:10 AM
Dylan when he went electric?   :laughin: :whistling:


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: ducktrapper on February 01, 2017, 02:37:31 PM
Dylan when he went electric?   :laughin: :whistling:

Yeah that really hurt his career! 60 years later, he's gone full Rod Stewart!  :laughin:

https://bobdylan.com/news/bob-dylans-first-three-disc-album-triplicate-set-for-march-31-release/


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: L07 Shooting Star on February 02, 2017, 06:17:07 AM
I really hated when the Bee Gees went "disco", but it certainly didn't hurt their careers.  I loved their early stuff.  "To Love Somebody" is one of my all time favorite songs, and I play it regularly.

More to the topic,  I think there are certain bands that "shot themselves in the foot", by changing personnel.  In some cases, members were "fired" and in other cases, members quit which left them no choice but to find someone else if they were to carry on.

The Byrds comes to mind.  To me, they were the perfect band with the original line-up and were never as good after that.


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: ducktrapper on February 02, 2017, 12:46:39 PM
I really hated when the Bee Gees went "disco", but it certainly didn't hurt their careers.  I loved their early stuff.  "To Love Somebody" is one of my all time favorite songs, and I play it regularly.

More to the topic,  I think there are certain bands that "shot themselves in the foot", by changing personnel.  In some cases, members were "fired" and in other cases, members quit which left them no choice but to find someone else if they were to carry on.

The Byrds comes to mind.  To me, they were the perfect band with the original line-up and were never as good after that.

Or when the rest of CCR insisted on recording some of their own songs? That was the end of a very good band. Have you heard Mardi Gras?   :yak: 


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: Mikeymac on February 15, 2017, 03:11:23 PM
Or when the rest of CCR insisted on recording some of their own songs? That was the end of a very good band. Have you heard Mardi Gras?   :yak: 

CCR is/was one of my favorite bands - still love the fact that Fogarty is out there doing his music with passion and precision.

I think CCR had two serious foot wounds (and then more when the lawyers got involved):

1. When Tom Fogarty left the band (also before Mardi Gras, BTW);
2. When the other guys insisted on having their songs in the mix - their writing just wasn't at the level of John's, and John's songs created the "image" or "culture" of the band, for lack of a better word...



Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: Mikeymac on February 15, 2017, 03:17:23 PM
Also, for me, there are a number of artists who I used to love - and they're exceptionally talented - but when they've gone political, for me at least, they've shot themselves in the foot. Same goes for many actors. I don't want to turn this thread in a bad direction, but it is something that has turned me off to a number of artists...I don't buy their stuff anymore, and I've pretty much stopped listening to their music, even when I used to be a big fan.

Nuff said.  :cop:


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: ducktrapper on February 15, 2017, 04:35:40 PM
Also, for me, there are a number of artists who I used to love - and they're exceptionally talented - but when they've gone political, for me at least, they've shot themselves in the foot. Same goes for many actors. I don't want to turn this thread in a bad direction, but it is something that has turned me off to a number of artists...I don't buy their stuff anymore, and I've pretty much stopped listening to their music, even when I used to be a big fan.

Nuff said.  :cop:

Well, I have to agree. I have nothing against political songs until they become partisan political songs. The first could be art, the second ... propaganda. My main objection is I generally don't want to hear that song over and over again. I got it the first time. Of course, Ohio is a good song but Living With War is not. 


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: L07 Shooting Star on February 17, 2017, 06:51:39 AM
Also, for me, there are a number of artists who I used to love - and they're exceptionally talented - but when they've gone political, for me at least, they've shot themselves in the foot. Same goes for many actors. I don't want to turn this thread in a bad direction, but it is something that has turned me off to a number of artists...I don't buy their stuff anymore, and I've pretty much stopped listening to their music, even when I used to be a big fan.

Nuff said.  :cop:

I agree with you and Ducktrapper.  Neil Young comes to mind and Bono come to mind.  I don't even mind as much if their songs are political.  It's when they attend rally's and preach that irks me.


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: Walkerman on February 25, 2017, 11:40:53 PM
Or when the rest of CCR insisted on recording some of their own songs? That was the end of a very good band. Have you heard Mardi Gras?   :yak: 

I loved ... still do ... Pendulum.... I think it was one of their best albums, though it did not do too well.


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: ducktrapper on February 26, 2017, 04:31:14 PM
I loved ... still do ... Pendulum.... I think it was one of their best albums, though it did not do too well.

Sure. All the songs were written by John Fogarty. Mardi Gras is the one where the members get four songs each. Tom is gone. Clifford's and Cook's songs are amateurish crap. 


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: Mikeymac on February 26, 2017, 10:53:30 PM

Clifford's and Cook's songs are amateurish crap. 


And therefore, totally forgettable - I can't remember any of them. I'd have to replay the album and then I'd go, "Oh, yeah...what Tom said - crap."

The only song I remember off the top of my head from Mardi Gras is "Someday Never Comes." Pretty sure that was a Fogarty tune.


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: ducktrapper on February 26, 2017, 11:29:53 PM
And therefore, totally forgettable - I can't remember any of them. I'd have to replay the album and then I'd go, "Oh, yeah...what Tom said - crap."

The only song I remember off the top of my head from Mardi Gras is "Someday Never Comes." Pretty sure that was a Fogarty tune.

It also has Sweet Hitchhiker and a pretty decent cover of Hello Mary Lou but the rest is worse than forgettable cos I remember it. Heck, I bought it. Fogarty hated it so much, he quit his own band and on his next album played all the instruments.   


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: L07 Shooting Star on April 08, 2017, 08:11:31 AM
It also has Sweet Hitchhiker and a pretty decent cover of Hello Mary Lou but the rest is worse than forgettable cos I remember it. Heck, I bought it. Fogarty hated it so much, he quit his own band and on his next album played all the instruments.   
Yes, the "Blue Ridge Rangers".  A great album and well-produced IMHO.


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: Queequeg on April 19, 2017, 01:58:28 AM
How about when the Beatles broke up to pursue their solo careers?
The whole was always greater than the sum of the parts.
I know they were feuding and yeah, there was Yoko messing things up, but IMHO only Harrison produced anything of lasting value after the split.


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: eded on April 19, 2017, 02:07:36 AM
The brother of his own mother Ted Nugent.

Of course, he was never very good.

Ed


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: ducktrapper on April 19, 2017, 04:40:57 AM
How about when the Beatles broke up to pursue their solo careers?
The whole was always greater than the sum of the parts.
I know they were feuding and yeah, there was Yoko messing things up, but IMHO only Harrison produced anything of lasting value after the split.

I dunno. Lennon's Plastic Ono Band was pretty damn good rock'n'roll and I love McCartney's Ram.   


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: Walkerman on April 27, 2017, 06:23:32 PM
How about when the Beatles broke up to pursue their solo careers?
The whole was always greater than the sum of the parts.
I know they were feuding and yeah, there was Yoko messing things up, but IMHO only Harrison produced anything of lasting value after the split.
Oh, look at .... band on the run, Venus and mars, plastic Ono band .... some good stuff there. 


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: Danny on April 29, 2017, 11:33:37 PM
How about when the Beatles broke up to pursue their solo careers?
The whole was always greater than the sum of the parts.
I know they were feuding and yeah, there was Yoko messing things up, but IMHO only Harrison produced anything of lasting value after the split.
I tend to agree with Mark.


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: Danny on April 30, 2017, 12:01:03 AM
Oh, look at .... band on the run, Venus and mars, plastic Ono band .... some good stuff there. 
Cold Turkey...


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: Walkerman on May 06, 2017, 01:24:21 PM
Cold Turkey...

Working class hero ......


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: L07 Shooting Star on May 07, 2017, 07:23:17 AM
Working class hero ......
Is a very powerful song IMHO.  I wonder who the '''they" are in that song.  I think Lennon is sensationalizing to make a point.  I'm not sure what that point is though.

As soon as your born they make you feel small,
By giving you no time instead of it all,
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all,
A working class hero is something to be,
They hurt you at home and they hit you at school,
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool,
Till you're so -CENSORED- crazy you can't follow their rules,
A working class hero is something to be,
When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years,
Then they expect you to pick a career,
When you can't really function you're so full of fear,
A working class hero is something to be,
Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV,
And you think you're so clever and you're classless and free,
But you're still -CENSORED- peasants as far as I can see,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
There's room at the top they are telling you still,
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
If you want to be like the fool on the hill,
A working class hero is something to be.
A working class hero is something to be.
If you want to be a hero, well just follow me


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: ducktrapper on May 07, 2017, 11:36:17 AM
Is a very powerful song IMHO.  I wonder who the '''they" are in that song.  I think Lennon is sensationalizing to make a point.  I'm not sure what that point is though.

As soon as your born they make you feel small,
By giving you no time instead of it all,
Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all,
A working class hero is something to be,
They hurt you at home and they hit you at school,
They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool,
Till you're so -CENSORED- crazy you can't follow their rules,
A working class hero is something to be,
When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years,
Then they expect you to pick a career,
When you can't really function you're so full of fear,
A working class hero is something to be,
Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV,
And you think you're so clever and you're classless and free,
But you're still -CENSORED- peasants as far as I can see,
A working class hero is something to be,
A working class hero is something to be.
There's room at the top they are telling you still,
But first you must learn how to smile as you kill,
If you want to be like the fool on the hill,
A working class hero is something to be.
A working class hero is something to be.
If you want to be a hero, well just follow me


It was a period he was going through. Very inspired by John Sinclair and Saul Alinsky. At the end of his life, supposedly, he was becoming a Reaganite.  It happens to the best of us when we finally see through the B.S.   :ohmy:


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: Walkerman on May 07, 2017, 08:08:30 PM
I suspect artists have always been political, and liberal.  It is more that we have changed from young liberals to old conservatives.  As the saying goes, "If you are young and not a liberal you have no heart.  If you are old and not a conservative you have no brain."  So, I suspect it is not the artist's who have changed.  Still, old rock and rollers do not really age well.  Seriously, Roger still wails "I hope I die before I get old."  It just seems silly now.


Title: Re: Bands or Artists Who Have "Shot Themselves in the Foot".
Post by: ducktrapper on May 08, 2017, 03:49:54 PM
Seriously, Roger still wails "I hope I die before I get old."  It just seems silly now.

Lately, I'm more likely to be singing, "I'm much too young to feel this damn old."  :crying: