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Title: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: headsup on December 06, 2016, 11:10:08 PM
This is a site I snoop around on, this link of Ray LaMontange's gear is interesting.

https://reverb.com/shop/officialraylamontagneshop?utm_campaign=52a69d8bba-rn161206_Deals_ca&utm_medium=email&utm_source=newsletter&utm_term=0_5889ed6702-52a69d8bba-58277705&page=2



On page  2 are some Collings Electrics, that are sort of what I envisioned my Larrivee Semi hollow guitar to be.

I went the Godin route, and I have already mentioned the upgrades I have done and I'm considering..

the 5-6K plus price range (CDN) is definitely prohibitive for me, and IF Larrivee ever went into production, to stay with their tradition of, say the RS4, I suspect the cost would be close to that price point.....


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: ducktrapper on December 06, 2016, 11:57:40 PM
I don't want to pay 5K for a guitar and won't. I can't see how they can justify that price for a new electric other than brand name. I guess I'll be relying on my old Univox. Damn good 335 and half the price of a Gibson in 1979.


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: Strings4Him on December 07, 2016, 12:00:55 AM
Eastman has some nice semi-hollow offerings.


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: ducktrapper on December 07, 2016, 12:12:57 AM
Eastman has some nice semi-hollow offerings.

Zactly!


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: headsup on December 07, 2016, 01:27:36 AM
so.....evidently that Texas company makes and sells those guitars and gets the prices.

 this sort of flies in the face of many discussions around, say the Larrivee electric adventures, as well as the millions cheap labour guitars flooding the market./.. yes?


and ...

go.


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: nctom on December 07, 2016, 03:35:07 AM
Collings electrics are like their acoustics-expensive, very well made, and domestic. They don't rely on mass produced instruments sold to aging dilettantes (before you all start, I include myself in that assessment). It is a shame that Larrivee can't produce every guitar that each of us can dream up at a price that we can be happy with, but I think we have to live with it.


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: ducktrapper on December 07, 2016, 12:42:39 PM
Collings electrics are like their acoustics-expensive, very well made, and domestic. They don't rely on mass produced instruments sold to aging dilettantes (before you all start, I include myself in that assessment). It is a shame that Larrivee can't produce every guitar that each of us can dream up at a price that we can be happy with, but I think we have to live with it.

I met a guy who owned two Ryans, two Collings and drove a Porsche. The guy knew all three chords. Sort of.  There are rich dilettantes, as well.   :cheers 


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 07, 2016, 04:17:36 PM
I met a guy who owned two Ryans, two Collings and drove a Porsche. The guy knew all three chords. Sort of.  There are rich dilettantes, as well.   :cheers 
Rich with taste. Some are fortunate!!


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 07, 2016, 04:30:58 PM
Having many Gibsons including a Midtown, 165, 335 and 347 I still pine for a Larrivee Hollow or Semi-.

But I'm waning.  I just don't think its ever going to happen from Larrivee.


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: George on December 07, 2016, 04:33:25 PM
I like the deeper body hollow more than the semi-hollow, they just sound more full and jazzy to me...  I would love to have a Larrivee built one, ...or a Linda Manzer (which I could probably never afford to buy even used)


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: Barefoot Rob on December 07, 2016, 05:56:42 PM
There are some many low price semi solids and both thin and full size hollowbodies out there that with a few hundred bucks you can have one for under $700 with upgrade pu's and pots and tuners.


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: ducktrapper on December 07, 2016, 06:08:31 PM
Rich with taste. Some are fortunate!!

Frankly, the guy could not even charitably be called a guitar player. Sort of a waste but if you have twenty grand to spend on guitars, why not?


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: Mikeymac on December 07, 2016, 07:05:27 PM
Collings has something else going for it - reputation and resale value. Sure, you'll take a hit if you buy a new Collings and then sell it, but if a new Larrivee semi-hollow had an MSRP close to the Collings, it would, sadly not command near the resale value. It's just supply and demand (a lot of which is image and perceived value by the majority of the marketplace - which is to say, a majority of guitar players).

Like others here, I don't hold out much hope that Larrivee will ever bring a semi-hollow or hollow body arch top to market. And like duck, I get that itch scratched nicely with a lefty '82 Yamaha SA1000 I found a couple years ago. Wonderful guitar with lots of mojo...


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: skyline on December 07, 2016, 07:21:03 PM
What are the attractions or benefits of a semi-hollow guitar?

Is it strictly aesthetic?


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: Mikeymac on December 07, 2016, 07:27:33 PM
What are the attractions or benefits of a semi-hollow guitar?

Is it strictly aesthetic?

Well, the general opinion (and marketing strategy) for semi-hollow's is that they're a bit "warmer" or "woodier" sounding than an all solid electric (e.g., Les Paul), but they won't howl with feedback at higher volumes like a fully hollow jazz box will.

I find that to be a pretty fair assessment - I'll also add that they may not sustain as much as a full solid body will, however, they will sustain plenty with enough volume and intentionally getting them close to the amp to create feedback!

I play mine more than my solid-body set-neck electrics (an Epiphone Elitist and a Larrivee RS-4). I also have a mid-90's Epiphone Sheraton that is nice, but the Yamaha is King!   


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: ducktrapper on December 07, 2016, 08:09:57 PM
What are the attractions or benefits of a semi-hollow guitar?

Is it strictly aesthetic?

No, they are definitely different sounding.


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: George on December 07, 2016, 09:15:56 PM
I own two high end (if there really is such a thing) Ibanez archtop guitars.  One is a 335 size thinbody with Burl Maple and the other is a solid spruce topped flame maple full sized archtop.  They both have the same neck profile, electronics, Super 58 humbucker pickups, inlays, all wood parts, etc., but they sound and play totally different.  The SJ300 has all flame maple binding everywhere and is very nice on the eyes and ears.  The transparent cherry on the AS253 is stunning to look at and plays and sounds much more like a 335.  I have never worried about feedback since I do not gig...


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: skyline on December 07, 2016, 09:23:46 PM
The SJ300 has all flame maple binding everywhere and is very nice on the eyes and ears.  The transparent cherry on the AS253 is stunning to look at and plays and sounds much more like a 335. 

Do the tailpiece, bridge, and pickups on the AS253 connect to some sort of solid block?


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: George on December 07, 2016, 09:24:35 PM
Do the tailpiece, bridge, and pickups on the AS253 connect to some sort of solid block?

Yes, solid wood piece down the center.


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: skyline on December 07, 2016, 09:27:48 PM
Do the tailpiece, bridge, and pickups on the AS253 connect to some sort of solid block?

Yes, solid wood piece down the center.

BTW - they're both beautiful!


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: ducktrapper on December 07, 2016, 10:07:51 PM
I own two high end (if there really is such a thing) Ibanez archtop guitars.  One is a 335 size thinbody with Burl Maple and the other is a solid spruce topped flame maple full sized archtop.  They both have the same neck profile, electronics, Super 58 humbucker pickups, inlays, all wood parts, etc., but they sound and play totally different.  The SJ300 has all flame maple binding everywhere and is very nice on the eyes and ears.  The transparent cherry on the AS253 is stunning to look at and plays and sounds much more like a 335.  I have never worried about feedback since I do not gig...

Nice guitars George.  :thumb


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: Davy Vanthuyne on December 08, 2016, 12:57:32 AM
Maybe someday
   
Re: Reddit Style: Ask me anything!


Archtops and Semi Hollow guitars are still on the agenda, but they are admittedly at the back of the line right now. The market for electric guitars softened dramatically about a year and a half ago and we’re waiting for it to return before we put “energy” into the process. We’ve actually done a lot of work towards archtops already include a carve top programs for a single cutaway, and body designs for a dual cutaway offset body. We’ve also already done some extensive pickup designs including a reproduction of old DeArmond 1100 Rhythm Chief, and some special Humbucker and P-90 designs. I can’t see it being sooner than 3+ years away at this point


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: headsup on December 16, 2016, 02:15:42 AM
I've had a few of the Ibanez Artcore semi acoustics, like the Godin guitars, they are built well enough, but the pick-ups pots and tuners leave more than a little to be desired. IMO.


Title: Re: The Larrivee semi hollow debate.
Post by: eded on December 16, 2016, 03:08:13 AM
Hmmm...  I guess I'm going to have to rely on my old 66 Guild Starfire III.  It was a whopping $165 (after taxes and setup) back in 76.  It still has the hottest pickups I have *ever* played.  I have a buddy who builds *real* high end hollow body guitars...  www.flowersguitars.com.  He refretted the Guild last year (or maybe the year before).  If I was going to spend anywhere near $5K, he'd have my money.

Ed

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