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Title: Another great is gone
Post by: Barefoot Rob on June 29, 2016, 04:59:01 PM
RIP Scotty Moore.With out him we wouldn't of had Elvis and without him we wouldn't of had many more.


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: carruth on June 29, 2016, 09:15:37 PM
RIP Scotty


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: ducktrapper on June 29, 2016, 09:23:46 PM
Another great loss. He defined a certain type of guitar playing. RIP Mr. Moore.


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: Mikeymac on June 30, 2016, 01:36:40 PM
Another great loss. He defined a certain type of guitar playing. RIP Mr. Moore.

Makes me want to ask a musically philosophical question:

Who was more influential, Elvis or Prince? Or is it a non-starter because they were from different eras?  :?

RIP Mr. Moore. You shaped a generation for sure.


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: mike in lytle on June 30, 2016, 01:53:36 PM
Makes me want to ask a musically philosophical question:
Who was more influential, Elvis or Prince? Or is it a non-starter because they were from different eras?  :?
RIP Mr. Moore. You shaped a generation for sure.
:donut :donut2 :coffee
Well, if we look at our pop culture....
Elvis has a lot more characteristics to impersonate, voice, style, movements.
Lot's of people making a living off of doing that.
We have Elvis impersonators doing TV commercials, I saw an insurance commercial with 3 Elvis impersonators.
That is sort of influential.
Mike
L-05


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: ducktrapper on June 30, 2016, 08:24:26 PM
Makes me want to ask a musically philosophical question:

Who was more influential, Elvis or Prince? Or is it a non-starter because they were from different eras?  :?

RIP Mr. Moore. You shaped a generation for sure.

Unlike Elvis, Prince, while a tremendous talent,  had giants who preceded him in the same style.   


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: Walkerman on July 01, 2016, 05:37:51 AM
Prince never ever had the social impact that Elvis or the Beatles had.  His musical catalog is insignificant compared to theirs.


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: Mikeymac on July 02, 2016, 02:08:46 AM
Unlike Elvis, Prince, while a tremendous talent,  had giants who preceded him in the same style.   

Prince never ever had the social impact that Elvis or the Beatles had.  His musical catalog is insignificant compared to theirs.

I agree with both of these observations. Well said, gentlemen!  :cheers


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: skyline on July 12, 2016, 04:19:39 AM
Scotty Moore was a major reason Elvis went anywhere. Considering how radio/music-promotion worked in those days, he may have been the reason Elvis went anywhere.

"If I have seen further, it is by standing on the shoulders of giants."
     - Isaac Newton


Elvis stood on the shoulders of musicians that in his day were unknown - to many people - musicians we now recognize as giants (though there are many who will deny they were giants, or even that they existed, for various reasons)

Why knock Prince for standing on shoulders, while Elvis get's pumped up?

Like the Beatles, Elvis had a lot of tunes that got heavy airplay, for decades and decades. For a certain age group, airplay and familiarity seem to be the only deciding factors in musical relevance.

Both the Beatles and Elvis have a lot of great tunes that resonate with a certain age group - but music didn't end when people born in the 50's turned twenty-seven. It didn't end when they turned forty, or even when they turned sixty . . .

Welcome to the internetz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB1TKw8_b1s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB1TKw8_b1s)

Posterity will show that tune to be at least as important as any tune by Elvis or The Beatles - actually I expect it will be more relevant


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: skyline on July 14, 2016, 02:14:34 AM
hmmm . . . 24 hours and no one has taken me down a peg (or two)

We Are DEVO?
Hopefully it's just because everyone is enjoying something more important than the internetz.  :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: ducktrapper on July 14, 2016, 01:01:39 PM
hmmm . . . 24 hours and no one has taken me down a peg (or two)

We Are DEVO?
Hopefully it's just because everyone is enjoying something more important than the internetz.  :nana_guitar

Some targets are just too easy. Would we have even heard of Scotty without Elvis? Like the Beatles, a fortunate confluence of people, events and timing. You can't pull building blocks away without the entire edifice being in danger of collapsing, all the parts are important but the driving force behind the thing should get the most credit. Sure we must remember and credit Sam Philips and George Martin et al remembering, however, that while the jockey's important, it's the horse that runs.


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: skyline on July 15, 2016, 04:36:37 AM
Some targets are just too easy. Would we have even heard of Scotty without Elvis? Like the Beatles, a fortunate confluence of people, events and timing. You can't pull building blocks away without the entire edifice being in danger of collapsing, all the parts are important but the driving force behind the thing should get the most credit. Sure we must remember and credit Sam Philips and George Martin et al remembering, however, that while the jockey's important, it's the horse that runs.

Nice analogy - I'll run with it:

Horses don't get to enter races without jockeys.

Jockey's are hired by owners - or at least by trainers (who are hired by owners)

So considering Scotty, George, Prince, Elvis, The Colonel  (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonel_Tom_Parker),et al - which ones are horses, which are jockeys, who are the trainers and the owners?


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: Walkerman on September 17, 2016, 01:40:48 PM

"Posterity will show that tune to be at least as important as any tune by Elvis or The Beatles - actually I expect it will be more relevant"

Now, that there is a funny statement.  She is less talented and relevant than a single hair off the head of any of the Beatles, or Elvis for that matter.


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: George on September 17, 2016, 02:21:58 PM

Welcome to the internetz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB1TKw8_b1s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB1TKw8_b1s)

Posterity will show that tune to be at least as important as any tune by Elvis or The Beatles - actually I expect it will be more relevant

Maybe, but both she and others will most likely be better remembered for the obvious heartfelt passion and compassion they poured into their music.


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: skyline on September 17, 2016, 03:19:27 PM
"Posterity will show that tune to be at least as important as any tune by Elvis or The Beatles - actually I expect it will be more relevant"

Now, that there is a funny statement.  She is less talented and relevant than a single hair off the head of any of the Beatles, or Elvis for that matter.

The tune - not the singer - the song was written by Prince


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: Walkerman on September 17, 2016, 04:27:29 PM
The tune - not the singer - the song was written by Prince

Well , my comment applies to the song, the singer and the writer.  I am one of those who thinks that the word "legendary" is being randomly applied to way too many artists nowadays. It seems that every artist or band that plays at an Indian reservation casino or county fair is now legendary.  I don't think so.  I am guessing that I hear as many Beatles' songs on the radio in a day as I hear from Prince and O'Connor combined in a year.  Maybe longer.


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: skyline on September 18, 2016, 02:53:00 AM
Well , my comment applies to the song, the singer and the writer.  I am one of those who thinks that the word "legendary" is being randomly applied to way too many artists nowadays. It seems that every artist or band that plays at an Indian reservation casino or county fair is now legendary.  I don't think so.  I am guessing that I hear as many Beatles' songs on the radio in a day as I hear from Prince and O'Connor combined in a year.  Maybe longer.

I missed the word "legendary" - legends exist entirely in minds - and the vast number of minds engaged with music today will not have any concern for the Beatles of Elvis unless their grandparents have somehow drummed them into their consciousness.

To many of us born at a certain time, J, P, G, and R are fundaments of musical heritage, at least when they are connected to "The Beatles" (in the early 80's there were teens who knew and loved songs from "Band on the Run" but didn't care for any Beatles tunes)


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: Walkerman on September 18, 2016, 02:52:16 PM
I missed the word "legendary" - legends exist entirely in minds - and the vast number of minds engaged with music today will not have any concern for the Beatles of Elvis unless their grandparents have somehow drummed them into their consciousness.

To many of us born at a certain time, J, P, G, and R are fundaments of musical heritage, at least when they are connected to "The Beatles" (in the early 80's there were teens who knew and loved songs from "Band on the Run" but didn't care for any Beatles tunes)

Right .... Just as no one today has any concern for folks like Motzart or Beethoven. 


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: skyline on September 18, 2016, 05:16:46 PM
Right .... Just as no one today has any concern for folks like Motzart or Beethoven. 
Siting Wolfie and Ludwig reinforces what I'm saying: a tightly controlled formal music market means modern orchestras play a lot of them, displacing works by their predecessors, contemporaries, and later composers. If orchestral directors don't program from the dozen bits of Mozart and Beethoven that people know, the invariably see a dip in seat sales.

There was a time when that would have been true for radio and Beatles tunes, but now, playing fewer Beatles tunes doesn't affect radio stations at all (or youtube, spotify, etc...)

The dominance of the Beatles over the listening habits of a certain generation has far more to do with hyper controlled playlists, payola, and marketing than it has to do with their music.

The Beatles sold millions of records in the sixties (then resold them multiple times in various formats to the same consumers) despite that, their current airplay is virtually nil.

Enrico Caruso also sold millions of records - in 1902 - not many people have him in high rotation these days though.

Thirty years from now you'll see tunes like Yesterday, or Here There and Everywhere in the same set lists as you see Some Enchanted Evening, and My Favourite Things.


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: Walkerman on September 18, 2016, 08:53:00 PM
Dream on.  Current airplay is virtually nil?  That there is some funny s**t.


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: broKen on September 19, 2016, 03:30:36 AM
Right .... Just as no one today has any concern for folks like Motzart or Beethoven. 

Maybe in your world Steve. I haven't heard a Beatles song in ages, other than TE playing them. I grew up with them but left them when I grew up.


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: Walkerman on September 19, 2016, 01:33:54 PM
Maybe in your world Steve. I haven't heard a Beatles song in ages, other than TE playing them. I grew up with them but left them when I grew up.


Your loss.


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: broKen on September 19, 2016, 03:49:38 PM
Your loss.

Yeah, I noticed  :tongue:

I went the wrong way with my post. Better to have emphasized the music of those past composers.


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: skyline on September 19, 2016, 05:51:23 PM
Dream on.  Current airplay is virtually nil?  That there is some funny s**t.

I'd be curious to see any airplay list that includes the Beatles at anything higher than 1 play out of 1000 per week . . . maybe on Liverpool TalkRadio?

For Spotify's first 100 days of hosting The Beatles - starting April 2016 -  6.5 million Spotify listeners played a Beatles tune - that's 65-thousand per day.

As of 2015, Spotify claimed to stream almost a billion songs a day. That puts Beatles airplay at about 0.0065 % - aka statistically nil.



https://insights.spotify.com/us/2016/04/08/the-beatles-first-100-days/

http://musically.com/2015/07/22/spotify-1bn-streams-every-day/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/244995/number-of-paying-spotify-subscribers/



Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: Walkerman on September 19, 2016, 07:17:57 PM
What is Spotify?


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: skyline on September 20, 2016, 01:18:27 AM
What is Spotify?

I think it's a service for discovering where exactly your great-great grand-children's diapers leaked on your linoleum  :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: rockstar_not on September 20, 2016, 03:03:05 AM
This turned a bit nasty.

There's a quote in a book I recently "Why You Like Music" by John Powell - right on the first page of Chapter 1, which states some evidence that no matter how old you are, you think the best music is what was popular in your late teens and early twenties.

You can do the Amazon.com "Look Inside" and read it for yourself.
https://www.amazon.com/Why-You-Love-Music-Metallica--/dp/0316260657/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1474339961&sr=1-1&keywords=why+you+like+music#reader_0316260657

I made this premise in a similar thread about 6 months back and there were vehement denials of this that 'no, the music when I was a youth WAS better and it will never be as good again' or something to that effect.  FFWD 20 years and you'll hear the same.

Arguing about it is kind of a no-win solution for something that is so subjective in nature and difficult to 'prove'.


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: Barefoot Rob on September 20, 2016, 03:42:55 AM
I started this thread to pay respect to a great guitar player....................now I'm almost sorry I did...................................... :crying:


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on September 20, 2016, 11:11:13 AM
I started this thread to pay respect to a great guitar player....................now I'm almost sorry I did...................................... :crying:
The OP can always delete a thread he started - tho I'm not a fan of deletion. Topics drift, they always have After we post Scotty Moore  luved him, he was great, RIP - what do we say now? I found this drift interesting - mainly two passionate posters likely from different generations articulating their beliefs about music that didn't come across to me as hurtful.

I would say the door was opened by the OP by stating " wouldn't of had Elvis" - a couple of members just decided to walk through it.

I'd hope we can disagree with one another here, and say it without being too personal or hurtful. Hope we are big boys and girls!


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: skyline on September 20, 2016, 03:17:18 PM
I found this drift interesting - mainly two passionate posters likely from different generations articulating their beliefs about music that didn't come across to me as hurtful.


Not sure about the different generations part - is a generation 25 years?  I was 10 when Let It Be was released.

I like The Beatles fine (Elvis too) grew up with them - played them, taught their tunes to people - I just find the broad musical historic trends to be really interesting - and players like Scotty Moore are very significant to those trends.


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on September 20, 2016, 04:48:38 PM

Not sure about the different generations part - is a generation 25 years?  I was 10 when Let It Be was released.

I like The Beatles fine (Elvis too) grew up with them - played them, taught their tunes to people - I just find the broad musical historic trends to be really interesting - and players like Scotty Moore are very significant to those trends.
Me too! Though you articulated your position much better than I could have!


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: Walkerman on September 20, 2016, 08:56:54 PM
I think it's a service for discovering where exactly your great-great grand-children's diapers leaked on your linoleum  :nana_guitar

Since my great great grandchildren will reside in the future, I am not sure what your point, if you have one, is.


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: skyline on September 21, 2016, 12:38:06 AM
Since my great great grandchildren will reside in the future, I am not sure what your point, if you have one, is.

Sorry, I thought this response:
What is Spotify?
was meant to be funny, so I made an apparently lame attempt to respond humorously.

It seems it was a serious question; I humbly offer my apologies for my flippancy


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: Caleb on September 21, 2016, 04:15:51 PM
This turned a bit nasty.

There's a quote in a book I recently "Why You Like Music" by John Powell - right on the first page of Chapter 1, which states some evidence that no matter how old you are, you think the best music is what was popular in your late teens and early twenties.

You can do the Amazon.com "Look Inside" and read it for yourself.
https://www.amazon.com/Why-You-Love-Music-Metallica--/dp/0316260657/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1474339961&sr=1-1&keywords=why+you+like+music#reader_0316260657

I made this premise in a similar thread about 6 months back and there were vehement denials of this that 'no, the music when I was a youth WAS better and it will never be as good again' or something to that effect.  FFWD 20 years and you'll hear the same.

Arguing about it is kind of a no-win solution for something that is so subjective in nature and difficult to 'prove'.
I think the author is on to something but I am an exception to the rule.  I hardly ever listen to the music of my late teens, but I know many people from my generation do (late 80s/early 90s).  When I grew up I figured out there was a world of music I'd never heard of (and not the hippie music of the 60s).  I do occasionally listen to a song from my youth but it is rare.


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: Walkerman on September 21, 2016, 08:01:30 PM
I think the author is on to something but I am an exception to the rule.  I hardly ever listen to the music of my late teens, but I know many people from my generation do (late 80s/early 90s).  When I grew up I figured out there was a world of music I'd never heard of (and not the hippie music of the 60s).  I do occasionally listen to a song from my youth but it is rare.

I would not listen to the music of the late 80's or 90's either, given a choice.  as for the 60's ....probably the most diverse popular music ever .... from the singing nun to led zep.


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: ducktrapper on September 21, 2016, 08:29:24 PM
I can only add that some music doesn't appear to age. Whether played once or a million times, there are pieces of music that work  regardless of how many times you've heard them, how, why, when or where.  Others quickly sound dated and you wonder why anyone ever liked them.  Anyway, RIP Scotty and ... beam me up.  :whistling:  


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: Walkerman on October 07, 2016, 01:50:30 PM
I started this thread to pay respect to a great guitar player....................now I'm almost sorry I did...................................... :crying:

I think that wandering threads are great.  The human brain is amazing .... it is just mind numbing the roads it will take from a starting point.


Title: Re: Another great is gone
Post by: Strings4Him on October 07, 2016, 04:38:13 PM
I like peanut butter and jelly.