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Title: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: skyline on November 16, 2015, 12:17:30 AM
Looks interesting . . . wonder how it sounds?

iRig Acoustic Guitar Pickup (http://www.ikmultimedia.com/products/irigacoustic/)


(http://www.ikmultimedia.com/joomla/images/ik_images/product_page/irigacoustic/1.0/big/irigacoustic_0U6A5051.jpg)


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: Mr_LV19E on November 16, 2015, 04:08:59 PM
Looks like it's available at Best Buy and Guitar Center, but no Bluetooth?  :?


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: skyline on November 16, 2015, 04:20:03 PM
  but no Bluetooth?  :? 

I guess because it's meant to plug straight into a "device" - which when then give you your bluetooth - and wifi? :blush:


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: eded on November 16, 2015, 05:51:06 PM
Probably sounds like a $50 mic.  Once processed through the AmpliTube app, it will probably sound ok, though not very much like the guitar.

Hmmm...  I guess this is a grumpy day for me.

Ed


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: Barefoot Rob on November 16, 2015, 06:11:19 PM
I read about these and since its only designed to play thru a cell phone I'm out of luck since all I have is and old style flip phone because its a PHONE!!!!!My life does not revolve my PHONE!!!!!


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: skyline on November 16, 2015, 06:42:59 PM
I read about these and since its only designed to play thru a cell phone

I think there's a vanilla line out jack -  i.e. you can run it as a microphone - no software needed.


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: skyline on November 16, 2015, 06:48:21 PM
some details from eleswhere:

http://www.gizmag.com/irig-acoustic/40373/

http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/23362-ik-multimedia-introduces-the-irig-acoustic

various different guitars and styles (audio only):
https://soundcloud.com/ikmultimedia



Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: rockstar_not on November 17, 2015, 01:14:41 AM
I am betting that it sounds quite good coupled with the app.  IK are right up there with the best with impulse response modeling and it appears that this is part of the app with the calibration feature.


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: skyline on November 17, 2015, 02:18:19 AM
I am betting that it sounds quite good coupled with the app.  IK are right up there with the best with impulse response modeling and it appears that this is part of the app with the calibration feature.

Plus . . . the audio recording world is small potatoes compared to the cell phone world.

They are leveraging acquisition technologies that have A) focused on input in extremely diverse/problematic situations and B) had the benefit of very large carrots dangled in front of them for R&D.

It may be a very interesting show between vertical thinking (aka old school microphone technology) vs lateral thinking (with a good shot of Adam Smith's "economy of scale")


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: rockstar_not on November 17, 2015, 03:21:18 AM
Plus . . . the audio recording world is small potatoes compared to the cell phone world.

They are leveraging acquisition technologies that have A) focused on input in extremely diverse/problematic situations and B) had the benefit of very large carrots dangled in front of them for R&D.

It may be a very interesting show between vertical thinking (aka old school microphone technology) vs lateral thinking (with a good shot of Adam Smith's "economy of scale")

Exactly. 


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: L07 Shooting Star on November 17, 2015, 04:25:46 AM
Plus . . . the audio recording world is small potatoes compared to the cell phone world.

They are leveraging acquisition technologies that have A) focused on input in extremely diverse/problematic situations and B) had the benefit of very large carrots dangled in front of them for R&D.

It may be a very interesting show between vertical thinking (aka old school microphone technology) vs lateral thinking (with a good shot of Adam Smith's "economy of scale")


Huh?  I'm so confused.  I'm still in the same stage as unclerob.  Flip phone.


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: Mr_LV19E on November 17, 2015, 04:35:02 AM
I guess because it's meant to plug straight into a "device" - which when then give you your bluetooth - and wifi? :blush:

Exactly, its made to plug into a I-phone. I can plug my car stereo into my I phone to play music but I can also toss the plug and just go bluetooth for music and hands free calling. Maybe size constraints, in other words maybe the Bluetooth ability would have made the mic to bulky.


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: eded on November 17, 2015, 12:18:50 PM
Exactly, its made to plug into a I-phone. I can plug my car stereo into my I phone to play music but I can also toss the plug and just go bluetooth for music and hands free calling. Maybe size constraints, in other words maybe the Bluetooth ability would have made the mic to bulky.

If my Fitbit (about 1/4"x3/8"X1") can have Bluetooth, they could fit it in this thing.  But, that would just further degrade the audio (IMO).

I have a tough time believing the tiny little mic element in his thing picks up a wide enough spectrum to be worth much...  of course at $50 it doesn't cost much.  And, I don't trust an algorithm to analyze the signal to get the best sound...  or I don't know, maybe all the professional recording engineers can hit the bricks and look for another line of work, *maybe* it's that good.  It just makes me think "autotune" (or more like autotone) for acoustic guitar.  I got one of the interface boxes for electric guitar.  It was interesting, but didn't do much for the sound of the guitar.

Ed


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: rockstar_not on November 18, 2015, 02:42:05 AM
Ok, here's some current realities:  1
  Bluetooth latency makes monitoring the signal pretty unusable.
 2:  Take a look at the capsule in a BLUE snowball MIC and people brag about snowball recordings quote regularly.
3: The irig series is immensely popular due to the ubiquity of iOS devices.  The computing power and signal integrity in some iOS devices outpaces many dedicated recording devices, and the ability to put it right at the strings gives it a reliable position so that the device can be used for impulse response with a high physical acoustic signal to noise ratio.

There are plenty of handheld recorders that are using dinky capsules and you pay for the computing power of the recorder primarily.  You already have that with the iOS devices.

 


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: eded on November 18, 2015, 03:48:54 AM
When I record something with an I-device, it is for convenience, not fidelity.  For posting something on Facebook or YouTube, this device is probably fine.

And, I've spent that much money on stuff I've been disappointed by before, and probably will again.  Lol!

Ed


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: ffinke on November 18, 2015, 04:42:36 AM
I read about these and since its only designed to play thru a cell phone I'm out of luck since all I have is and old style flip phone because its a PHONE!!!!!My life does not revolve my PHONE!!!!!

 :roll I'm with you on that one, Rob!


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: rockstar_not on November 18, 2015, 05:01:36 AM
When I record something with an I-device, it is for convenience, not fidelity.  For posting something on Facebook or YouTube, this device is probably fine.

And, I've spent that much money on stuff I've been disappointed by before, and probably will again.  Lol!

Ed
Which is exactly the market for this thing.  I bet it will sound better than many of the much more expensive USB mics like the snowball due simply to being so close to the source.  I have the Blue Mikey which uses an iPhone but getting it positioned right for a good recording is a problem.


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: skyline on November 18, 2015, 05:01:48 PM
There are plenty of handheld recorders that are using dinky capsules and you pay for the computing power of the recorder primarily.  You already have that with the iOS devices.

A current iPod is about $250. Add in the iRig mic $50.

So for $300 you have a pickup, with pre-amp (EQs, reverbs etc), feedback suppression, and full recording abilities. You can move it to another guitar anytime you want.

When you're not using the iPod as a guitar pre-amp, you've got a very reasonable 720P video camera (amongst other things).

There could be some futzing happening here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwXYo5KEePw but it's unlikely.


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: eded on November 18, 2015, 05:27:13 PM


There could be some futzing happening here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BwXYo5KEePw but it's unlikely.

With my headphones, and even streaming with the compression that youtube uses, I can hear a difference between the two. 

If you are going to suggest that a $50 mic is the same as a $3K+ mic, then I guess this thing is for you.

It amazes me how between digital recording, cheap little button speakers built into a computer monitor, and the various compression methods applied to streaming audio, we have all but given up on quality recording. 

Ed


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: skyline on November 18, 2015, 06:26:02 PM
It amazes me how between digital recording, cheap little button speakers built into a computer monitor, and the various compression methods applied to streaming audio, we have all but given up on quality recording.   

For sure - many people accept obscenely low/no quality playback. However, my quest is for acess to a live solution - other than playing acoustically to only a dozen people at a time in a small room.

With my headphones, and even streaming with the compression that youtube uses, I can hear a difference between the two. 

Of course you can. I'm not suggesting they are the same - just presenting a comparrison.

If you are going to suggest that a $50 mic is the same as a $3K+ mic, then I guess this thing is for you. 

My comparison would be to a $200-300 (plus installation, plus pre-amp) guitar pickup. In particular, the rubber band sound that is an apparently beloved feature of every other pickup appears to be absent with the iRig.


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: eded on November 18, 2015, 07:24:57 PM

My comparison would be to a $200-300 (plus installation, plus pre-amp) guitar pickup. In particular, the rubber band sound that is an apparently beloved feature of every other pickup appears to be absent with the iRig.

My K&K sounds very good and was just about $200 for the pickup and preamp.  I install them myself.  Since it is an external preamp, the cost of the pre is divided between each instrument with a pickup.

But, if you like that one, it's what you should go with.

Ed


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: skyline on November 20, 2015, 02:26:54 AM
My K&K sounds very good and was just about $200 for the pickup and preamp.

I've been stumbling around the internetz looking for simultaneous pickup/microphone recordings.

There are some where they cut back and forth between pickup and mic, but most do segments with one, then segments with the other - often not playing very similar passages.

Does anyone know of any where they have a stereo split with mic on one channel and pickup on the other?


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: rockstar_not on November 20, 2015, 04:39:51 AM
For those of you that are thinking that the capsule in this thing would be too tiny for a fidelity recording, consider that most of the handheld recorders praised on this forum such as the Zoom H series and the like use capsules that are quite small, many likely between 1/4 and 1/2"

And just because the body of the mic is big, does not mean it's using a big capsule.  Here's the Blue Snowball mic torn down:
https://youtu.be/cst8G2BCZJI?t=2m35s

Small mic size doesn't necessarily mean inability to capture full audio spectrum.  All of the microphone based pickups that I am aware of for acoustic guitars use tiny capsules.  Even the highly desirable DPA acoustic guitar mic is really tiny.  Maybe even a smaller capsule than this iRig thing:

https://youtu.be/A2_bBIgsH2Q
https://youtu.be/ixdv3mE98j8

I am not suggesting that this iRig competes with the DPA, but merely to point out that the capsule size becomes less important as one gets closer to the source.

In fact the LR Baggs Lyric looks like the capsule size is pretty small.

 


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: skyline on November 22, 2015, 03:25:36 AM
iRig on it's way.

Anyone care to offer suggestions for test recordings/playings?


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: L07 Shooting Star on November 22, 2015, 03:46:09 AM
iRig on it's way.

Anyone care to offer suggestions for test recordings/playings?

A cool comparison would be to find the sound clips for whatever guitar you are planning to test-record with from the forum sound clips here:
 http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=5947.0
and record the same musical piece (or similiar as you can) with the iRig.  I think that would be a legitimate basis for comparison.


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: skyline on November 22, 2015, 04:21:58 AM
A cool comparison would be to find the sound clips for whatever guitar you are planning to test-record with from the forum sound clips here:
 http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=5947.0
and record the same musical piece (or similiar as you can) with the iRig.  I think that would be a legitimate basis for comparison.

Great idea!

Sadly - I have no real Larrivťes  :crying: (as in "L" bodies)

But I can readily do that for an OM-03, or an original  P-01, and I can offer a "last Cancuk run" SD-03 to compare to the SD-50 and SD-60 in that list.

Anyone know how those recordings were made? (Thanks to  "Dave at Guitar Adoptions")

Anyone have any particular requests on string sets or reasonable suggestions of microphones for simultaneous recordings?


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: L07 Shooting Star on November 22, 2015, 04:54:28 AM
Great idea!

Sadly - I have no real Larrivťes  :crying: (as in "L" bodies)

But I can readily do that for an OM-03, or an original  P-01, and I can offer a "last Cancuk run" SD-03 to compare to the SD-50 and SD-60 in that list.

Anyone know how those recordings were made?

Anyone have any particular requests on string sets or reasonable suggestions of microphones for simultaneous recordings?

I wasn't thinking you would have to replicate them exactly, only as best as you can given the resources you can muster.  My thought was to record the most similar guitar you can with the iRig optimized for the best sound you can get out of it against what is already recorded in those files.  To replicate or even ascertain what strings and mics and other recording conditions were used with those recordings would be daunting to say the least.  And there are so many variables, it would be almost impossible to recreate them anyways.  I wasn't suggesting you go to that length to demonstrate the comparison.

I was simply suggesting those recordings would be a good starting point if you wanted something to compare with.  I can't think of any other recordings that would be better for this purpose.


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: skyline on November 22, 2015, 05:11:36 AM
I was simply suggesting those recordings would be a good starting point if you wanted something to compare with.  I can't think of any other recordings that would be better for this purpose.

Thanks L07 Shooting Star, I was not aware of these recordings. Using these recordings as a base line is a great idea!


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: skyline on December 31, 2015, 03:47:07 AM
My thought was to record the most similar guitar you can with the iRig optimized for the best sound you can get out of it against what is already recorded in those files.  To replicate or even ascertain what strings and mics and other recording conditions were used with those recordings would be daunting to say the least. 

Let's assume I can perform similar passages to those recordings.

Which would people prefer as a simultaneous comparison mic - an SM-57 or SM-58?



Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: L07 Shooting Star on December 31, 2015, 07:31:31 AM
Assuming you have a choice, I would go with the SM-57 to record the guitar directly or through a speaker.  Either one will do a fine job though.


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: skyline on December 31, 2015, 04:04:07 PM
Assuming you have a choice, I would go with the SM-57 to record the guitar directly or through a speaker.  Either one will do a fine job though.

It will be a direct recording.

My idea was to choose a comparison mike that the largest number of people would be familiar with or have access to.


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: rockstar_not on March 19, 2016, 05:20:43 AM
Update?


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: skyline on March 29, 2016, 01:56:19 AM
Update?

Sorry to be so long rockstar_not -  I simply havenít had time to make proper A/B mic/iRigAcoustic recordings that Iíd be comfortable presenting to people (Iím workingí on it though)

Meanwhile hereís what Iíve found over a couple of monthís random use:

The mic is not a standalone: it requires a ďdeviceĒ - a fairly current Android or Apple tablet, pod, or phone. Iím running it through an iPad Mini. Apparently Android devices require a specific audio sub-system that is not standard on all Android units.

Mounting the mic and making the connections are easily done. The software (included, free) guides you through calibrating the mic for the instrument. You donít have to calibrate every time, you can save presets. The cable is very thin and plenty long - good for putting guitars down when not playing, but it seems fragile. Itís fiddly to put it in itís storage case (a lot like ear buds), but itsís a breeze to attach and move from instrument to instrument.

Unless youíre an interface psychic, allow yourself time to play around with the ďbuttonsĒ. If youíve used other software, or if youíre so ALM* that youíve actually used recording hardware, youíll find buttons doing things you might not expect. I havenít dug deep into the effects included with the software, but theyíre easy to get at, and well suited to acoustic instruments, with plenty of range, from simple eq and reverbs, through to hard core grunge (looping is available as an add-on).

If youíre recording, the naming/saving/renaming/exporting functions are less than intuitive (especially for anyone who might have used magnetic tape, paper, pencils, or a filing cabinet)

The sound that gets to the recorded track is very good - closer to a stand mounted condenser than a pickup. It has very good rejection of sounds that arenít the guitar, including ignoring bad room acoustics and the occasional background cat. Iíll try it outside on the deck soon (still a bit cool around here)

It doesnít seem to create or accent honks, squawks, or chirps the way most pickups do, and itís just as happy with fingerpicking as it is with a variety of flat picks. If you really want to get nitty, the software letís you store presets that you could fine tune for different styles or guitars. It takes only two touches to change a pre-set. I havenít tried it on a stage or through an amp to see what the feedback control is like.

Iíve used it a lot on an OM-03 and an SD-03, and a little on tenor uke and  twelve string. Sounded great on all of them. Didnít try it with a slide - but my bottle-necking skills are so bad that any test I made would be ďwidely open to interpretationĒ

Assuming it isnít totally feedback prone, or overly wind-sensitive, and you have an appropriate device that youíre willing to use, itís definitely worth considering as a pickup. You can record very clean useable tracks pretty much anywhere with only your guitar, the iRig mic, and your device. No stands, no baffles, no careful positioning, or sitting very still.



*ALM - ancient like me


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: rockstar_not on March 30, 2016, 02:23:38 AM
Thanks for the update - I really would like to try one some time.

-Scott


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: George on March 30, 2016, 08:58:25 PM
Sorry to be so long rockstar_not -  I simply havenít had time to make proper A/B mic/iRigAcoustic recordings that Iíd be comfortable presenting to people (Iím workingí on it though)

Meanwhile hereís what Iíve found over a couple of monthís random use:

The mic is not a standalone: it requires a ďdeviceĒ - a fairly current Android or Apple tablet, pod, or phone. Iím running it through an iPad Mini. Apparently Android devices require a specific audio sub-system that is not standard on all Android units.

Mounting the mic and making the connections are easily done. The software (included, free) guides you through calibrating the mic for the instrument. You donít have to calibrate every time, you can save presets. The cable is very thin and plenty long - good for putting guitars down when not playing, but it seems fragile. Itís fiddly to put it in itís storage case (a lot like ear buds), but itsís a breeze to attach and move from instrument to instrument.

Unless youíre an interface psychic, allow yourself time to play around with the ďbuttonsĒ. If youíve used other software, or if youíre so ALM* that youíve actually used recording hardware, youíll find buttons doing things you might not expect. I havenít dug deep into the effects included with the software, but theyíre easy to get at, and well suited to acoustic instruments, with plenty of range, from simple eq and reverbs, through to hard core grunge (looping is available as an add-on).

If youíre recording, the naming/saving/renaming/exporting functions are less than intuitive (especially for anyone who might have used magnetic tape, paper, pencils, or a filing cabinet)

The sound that gets to the recorded track is very good - closer to a stand mounted condenser than a pickup. It has very good rejection of sounds that arenít the guitar, including ignoring bad room acoustics and the occasional background cat. Iíll try it outside on the deck soon (still a bit cool around here)

It doesnít seem to create or accent honks, squawks, or chirps the way most pickups do, and itís just as happy with fingerpicking as it is with a variety of flat picks. If you really want to get nitty, the software letís you store presets that you could fine tune for different styles or guitars. It takes only two touches to change a pre-set. I havenít tried it on a stage or through an amp to see what the feedback control is like.

Iíve used it a lot on an OM-03 and an SD-03, and a little on tenor uke and  twelve string. Sounded great on all of them. Didnít try it with a slide - but my bottle-necking skills are so bad that any test I made would be ďwidely open to interpretationĒ

Assuming it isnít totally feedback prone, or overly wind-sensitive, and you have an appropriate device that youíre willing to use, itís definitely worth considering as a pickup. You can record very clean useable tracks pretty much anywhere with only your guitar, the iRig mic, and your device. No stands, no baffles, no careful positioning, or sitting very still.



*ALM - ancient like me

It certainly sounds way more complicated that just plugging in the DPA4099G into the mixer...  My amateur mistake with condenser mics was to try to get good recordings without any unwanted background noise from a large diaphragm condenser.  IMHO it cannot easily be done with large capsule condenser mics.  The very small diaphragm on the dpa4099g has excellent side noise rejection as well as not picking up too much extraneous noise, much like a dynamic mic but with better clarity and headroom.  I try to stay away from computer apps for music anyhow, analog is better in most cases and you can always record it digitally at the end...  Just my two cents worth FWIW...


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: skyline on March 30, 2016, 10:18:16 PM
It certainly sounds way more complicated that just plugging in the DPA4099G into the mixer...  My amateur mistake with condenser mics was to try to get good recordings without any unwanted background noise from a large diaphragm condenser.  IMHO it cannot easily be done with large capsule condenser mics.  The very small diaphragm on the dpa4099g has excellent side noise rejection as well as not picking up too much extraneous noise, much like a dynamic mic but with better clarity and headroom.  I try to stay away from computer apps for music anyhow, analog is better in most cases and you can always record it digitally at the end...  Just my two cents worth FWIW...

The DPA is definitely where I'd go if money were no object! I already had an iPad so the $50 for the iRig mic was easy to find. It is possible the feedback supression in the iRig setup could be a factor for live though.

If you have a reasonable space, large diaphraghm is the way to go for recording. If the whole band is acoustic and you have no drummers or bag-pipers, you could probably get away with micing for live amplifictaion, many folks do. But I do suspect from results so far that the iRig will fill the live bill admirably - of course My coreography tends to be pretty limited  :guitar


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: eded on March 30, 2016, 10:51:24 PM
I have to admit I haven't been following the thread, but if pickup/mic comparisons with recorded examples are of interest, you can't find a better source than Doug Young's pages.

http://www.dougyoungguitar.com/pickuptests/

Ed


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: George on March 30, 2016, 10:56:12 PM
I simply cannot play accurately enough for a large diaphragm to not pick up every noise I make.  I am OCD about trying to get perfect recordings (and not highly effective at that).  I am bad about pick clicks and high spl vocal distortion. Pickups work good, but nothing beats a great quality mic for recording... I have bought and sold many mics over the years and I conclude they are the one best investment you can make in a quality recording setup.  You can spend a ton of money on them too (check out the pricey high end ones at Sound Pure Audio (purely expensive!)).  But you do not have to spend thousands of dollars apiece to get good enough ones for home studio use.  I got lucky and acquired my dpa's for reasonable prices...


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: skyline on March 30, 2016, 11:09:30 PM
I have to admit I haven't been following the thread, but if pickup/mic comparisons with recorded examples are of interest, you can't find a better source than Doug Young's pages.
http://www.dougyoungguitar.com/pickuptests/.    Ed
That is going to make for some very interesting listening. Thanks Ed!

kip


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: George on March 31, 2016, 12:53:36 AM
I have to admit I haven't been following the thread, but if pickup/mic comparisons with recorded examples are of interest, you can't find a better source than Doug Young's pages.

http://www.dougyoungguitar.com/pickuptests/

Ed

Great tip Ed.  You can clearly hear the difference...  Going to take a while to listen to them all, but the ones I favor sound just as good there as they do in real life.


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: rockstar_not on March 31, 2016, 03:44:05 AM
The topic is drifting a bit here into general recording theory and practice.  Let's keep in mind one of the primary reasons the iRig was developed; from the IK Multimedia website:

"The first acoustic guitar mobile microphone/interface"

This is not designed to replace your studio or even home recording studio setup.  It's to have in the backpack with you when you have your guitar with you and inspiration strikes to record.


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: eded on March 31, 2016, 11:30:00 AM
That is going to make for some very interesting listening. Thanks Ed!

kip

One thing about these is that most of these demos work for recording, which is very different than playing live.  My preference for recording is a mic (though I've gotten great results by mixing sources, i.e. mic and pickup).  (Aside; I typically get much better results with someone else playing!).  For a live pickup it is K&K, though this applies to many pickups, almost all the places I play are relatively small and the "air" of the live guitar fills what any pickup misses.  So effectively, it is like hearing a mix of the pickup and a mic (with the mic being the ears of the listeners).  Not a very technical explanation, but I hope it makes sense.

Ed


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: skyline on March 31, 2016, 12:40:09 PM
One thing about these is that most of these demos work for recording, which is very different than playing live.  My preference for recording is a mic (though I've gotten great results by mixing sources, i.e. mic and pickup).  (Aside; I typically get much better results with someone else playing!).  For a live pickup it is K&K, though this applies to many pickups, almost all the places I play are relatively small and the "air" of the live guitar fills what any pickup misses.  So effectively, it is like hearing a mix of the pickup and a mic (with the mic being the ears of the listeners).  Not a very technical explanation, but I hope it makes sense.

Ed

Perfectly fine explanation. You're fortunate enough to play places where you "reinforce" the sounds of you've crafted, as opposed to obliterating all other sounds :thumb


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: skyline on March 31, 2016, 12:42:34 PM
The topic is drifting a bit here into general recording theory and practice.  Let's keep in mind one of the primary reasons the iRig was developed; from the IK Multimedia website:    "The first acoustic guitar mobile microphone/interface"

They definitely avoided the traditional over-hype approach.

This is not designed to replace your studio or even home recording studio setup.

The integration between pickup and software is pretty thorough. There are many recordings published where the guitar has been tracked from a pickup. There will be people who prefer the sound of this mic (with or without software embellishment) over other studio techniques.

And for many people not versed in mic technique or lucky enough to have a good room, with good microphones, itís a very viable tool -  so hold those thoughts - Iíll be back.


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: skyline on March 31, 2016, 06:45:07 PM
I try to stay away from computer apps for music anyhow, analog is better in most cases and you can always record it digitally at the end... 

Wow - I'm not sure how to stay analog - do you still have functioning tape decks?


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: George on March 31, 2016, 09:12:41 PM
Wow - I'm not sure how to stay analog - do you still have functioning tape decks?

I record using cascaded high definition A/D D/A Tascam 3000 units.  My mixers are old Presonus M80 analog units that have Revive Audio Op Amp upgrades done to them.  I had way too many problems with artifacts on computer recordings back in the early days, so after a few years I just abandoned that method for capturing the initial recording.  I still do some post editing on a computer when needed, but mostly it is retake, retake, retake until I get one right... just me and my guitar anyway (sometimes with a host of other stuff from effects boxes dubbed in).

P. S.  It was never my intention to sidetrack this thread from the IRig acoustic mic, the description of the app just reminded me of all the pain adjusting a computer can be...  my apologies to all.


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: eded on March 31, 2016, 09:31:09 PM
I record using cascaded high definition A/D D/A Tascam 3000 units.  My mixers are old Presonus M80 analog units that have Revive Audio Op Amp upgrades done to them.  I had way too many problems with artifacts on computer recordings back in the early days, so after a few years I just abandoned that method for capturing the initial recording.  I still do some post editing on a computer when needed, but mostly it is retake, retake, retake until I get one right... just me and my guitar anyway (sometimes with a host of other stuff from effects boxes dubbed in).

P. S.  It was never my intention to sidetrack this thread from the IRig acoustic mic, the description of the app just reminded me of all the pain adjusting a computer can be...  my apologies to all.

It's all good...  conversations wander.

Ed


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: skyline on April 01, 2016, 01:01:50 PM
It's all good...  conversations wander. Ed

For sure - probably the best part about conversations is the wandering!


I record using cascaded high definition A/D D/A Tascam 3000 units (http://tascam.com/product/da-3000/).

Right - so you are recording digitally - thought maybe you were one of those incredibly dedicated people who maintained a 2" 24 track and a 1/2" to master down to
:donut :coffee :donut2

Tascam makes some great kit. I still have a FW-1884 (http://tascam.com/product/fw-1884/) - for when I need to run more than two mics at a time (and flying faders are always good for a giggle!)

the description of the app just reminded me of all the pain adjusting a computer can be...  

I should have established a baseline - on a spectrum of effort ranging from "10 - WTF?" (eg. getting Windows 3.1 to support 16 bit audio and 24 bit graphics) -  through to "0 - easy" (eg saving a contact into a phone).  The app is definitely near the "0" end.

The desires of "device" programmers to make things look cool often over-rides creating a quick and clear work flow. The iRig software is a flavour of Amplitube with a lot of ďfaux leatherĒ skeuomorphism going on -  entire screens dedicated to the image of a guitar amp instead of just nine knobs with labels. They save screen space by using little icons of 8 track reel-to-reels, then when you choose that option you go to a screen filled with a faceless TEAC 8 Track reel-to-reel - which uses about 10% of the screen to actually do anything.

Itís not that the iRig software is hard to use or unreliable - itís very functional, just distractingly flashy.


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: George on April 01, 2016, 02:45:04 PM
Thanks for that additional description of the app.  Apple seems to be much better at dealing with music recording than Microsoft ever was.  At least their operating systems seem to be better suited to not having as many issues with latency.  I know some guys that still use analog tape and create some great recordings with them, just a totally different sound than you get in the all digital world...

P. S.  Another thing I like about the DPA 4099 G is the adjustability of the whole thing.  You choose where on the body to clip it, how high the gooseneck needs to be, the angle of the mic, the distance from everything, etc.  When I start looking for the "sweet spot" I hold it in my left hand and strum with my right and just move it around on the fretboard and change the height until I can hear what I want.  Then I mount it there and fine tune the tone.  I also usually mix it with a pickup to achieve the ambience you can get with the combo...


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: markj on March 24, 2017, 06:43:39 AM
Being the gear head that I am, I picked up an iRig Acoustic Stage for $99.00

No iPhone needed!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1NgeCrpnMc&ytbChannel=ikmultimedia

There's a Larivee in that video!  Apologies if it was posted previously.

Just playing around with it on the L-03 and my  Crate GLX212 120-Watt 2x12" Combo Amp, and it sounded good to me. We will be testing it more extensively on a PA system this weekend.



Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: George on March 24, 2017, 02:11:23 PM
Being the gear head that I am, I picked up an iRig Acoustic Stage for $99.00

No iPhone needed!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1NgeCrpnMc&ytbChannel=ikmultimedia

There's a Larivee in that video!  Apologies if it was posted previously.

Just playing around with it on the L-03 and my  Crate GLX212 120-Watt 2x12" Combo Amp, and it sounded good to me. We will be testing it more extensively on a PA system this weekend.



Thanks Mark, I too love checking out various ways to amplify a guitar.  What I like about this one is the ability to blend other pickups with it.  Just ordered one...


Title: Re: iRig Acoustic - guitar microphone
Post by: rockstar_not on March 24, 2017, 11:21:15 PM
I have this thing on my "to buy" list for amplifying my acoustic bass (crappy old Dean model that I don't even list in my signature) and a recently acquired uke.