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Title: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: ducktrapper on June 18, 2015, 12:19:11 PM
Show us your pedal board etc.


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: headsup on June 18, 2015, 02:25:44 PM
I like quiet pedals, like the ones along the back?

I also love my MACK Gem amp & cab.


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: ducktrapper on June 18, 2015, 06:02:02 PM
We agree on the GEM, anyway. You should try their bigger amps, as well. The thing about effects or sound or pretty much anything is that one person says, "Less cowbell", and another says, "More!"  :cheers 


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: eded on June 18, 2015, 06:20:22 PM
I always wanted my amps to take the input signal and make it bigger.  Peavey Studio Pro 40 has been my amp of choice since around 1985.  My old one had dirty and pitted pots.  It was fine once set, but it put out some gosh awful noise while adjusting.  About a month or so ago I found one in great shape.  It was cheaper than getting the old one serviced (or doing the job myself)!

Ed


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: George on June 18, 2015, 08:32:05 PM
I am basically a music purist, but I cannot resist the allure of EFX equipment, so I own pedals and rack mounted EFX units.  I am addicted to a small amount of rich chorus, delay and plate reverb.  Just enough to expand the dynamic range of the guitar and sweeten it a bit.  As for vocals, my voice is not adequate without a little bit of harmony and a whole lot of vocal plate reverb...  I am not that great of a musician, my forte is electronics and precision measurement, so I spend more time on setups and upgrades than playing...  It is all fun though!


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: ducktrapper on June 18, 2015, 09:21:21 PM
I like to think if myself not as a guitarist but as an aural technician.  :winkin:


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: headsup on June 18, 2015, 09:25:11 PM
We agree on the GEM, anyway. You should try their bigger amps, as well. The thing about effects or sound or pretty much anything is that one person says, "Less cowbell", and another says, "More!"  :cheers 




My absolute maximum power needs have been met by mt 15 watt full tube amp with one tone, and one volume.
So I sold the custom deluxe amp i had, it's really about need, and i rarely have the 15 watt amp cranked.
I am a believer in "less is more" and that goes for effects as well....


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: headsup on June 18, 2015, 09:26:14 PM
I like to think if myself not as a guitarist but as an aural technician.  :winkin:





as a vocalist- does that make some "oral technician"?


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: ducktrapper on June 18, 2015, 11:55:44 PM




as a vocalist- does that make some "oral technician"?

And I was hoping "aural" wouldn't get me into hot water.   :roll


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: ducktrapper on June 19, 2015, 12:08:58 AM



My absolute maximum power needs have been met by mt 15 watt full tube amp with one tone, and one volume.
So I sold the custom deluxe amp i had, it's really about need, and i rarely have the 15 watt amp cranked.
I am a believer in "less is more" and that goes for effects as well....

Well, I certainly hear you and, where applicable, I feel the same way. My musical approach runs the gamut from Hank to Hendrix and there are times when more is more.

"You are right from your side and I am right from mine, we're both just one too many mornings and a thousand miles behind."    :cheers

   


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: headsup on June 19, 2015, 01:34:13 AM
I told my wife as a singer that in fact SHE was the Oral Technician... :beer


Speaking of "hank to hendrix", we have some interesting segues in the duo show, Drop D tuning for Cinnamon girl (my vocal) runs right into "harvest Moon" (her vocal...
 Similaily, she sings Hank's "Cold Cold heart, and I follow it with "Wind cries mary",
so we sorta pay neil the tribute for the "hank to Hendrix" phase, then we actually d\go from Hank to Hendrix...

Oh, and of course, these tunes are all on one of several Larrivee acoustics, so, sorry about the thread hijack...

 :humour:


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: ducktrapper on June 19, 2015, 12:06:11 PM
I told my wife as a singer that in fact SHE was the Oral Technician... :beer


Speaking of "hank to hendrix", we have some interesting segues in the duo show, Drop D tuning for Cinnamon girl (my vocal) runs right into "harvest Moon" (her vocal...
 Similaily, she sings Hank's "Cold Cold heart, and I follow it with "Wind cries mary",
so we sorta pay neil the tribute for the "hank to Hendrix" phase, then we actually d\go from Hank to Hendrix...

Oh, and of course, these tunes are all on one of several Larrivee acoustics, so, sorry about the thread hijack...

 :humour:

Sounds like a good show. I'm obviously a bit of a metal head hanging out with acoustic purists.   :wacko:


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: headsup on June 19, 2015, 12:16:41 PM
in that case, run the BZ L through the pedal board......


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: ducktrapper on June 19, 2015, 01:02:49 PM
in that case, run the BZ L through the pedal board......

Don't think I've never done it.  :roll


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: headsup on June 29, 2015, 02:08:07 PM
What nobody around this place has pedals?
or pedal envy?
 weird...


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: ducktrapper on June 29, 2015, 05:40:46 PM
Mostly acoustic forum, looks like.   


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: Scrambler17 on July 04, 2015, 01:19:12 PM
Ok, I'm a little slow to respond here.  I play acoustic and rhythm electric guitar at church.  I've got a G&L ASAT Classic (Tele) that I custom ordered in natural finish back in 2000.  I used to use a Korg multi-effects processor but wanted to upgrade.  This winter I built this pedal board and added some new pedals.  I also cut and soldered all the patch cables.  

The case a tool or camera case from Harbor Freight.  I built a pedal board to fit.  It's about 12" x 18".  I've got this board set up so I can use Electric or Acoustic, depending on what I'm playing that weekend.  I can fit some cables beneath the board in the case, along with my in-ears etc.  

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/273/18785612833_9ee0349e68_z.jpg)

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/319/19218632460_b6aa9b27ab_z.jpg)

For Electric the signal chain is Korg Pitchblack tuner, Boss Super OD, Boss Blues Driver, TC Electronics T2 Reverb, TC electronics Flashback delay.

For Acoustic I can just rearrange 2 cables on the board leaving everything velcroed down.  I run the Korg Pitchblack, K&K Pure XLR preamp, then I may run to the board, or may run to the reverb and delay and out to the board.  I haven't used the delay yet with the acoustic with the full band, but I've played songs where it was only 1 acoustic guitar with drums and a limited keyboard player where I thought it might have been useful.  This works pretty well.  I like the foot tuner as a mute switch because of the passive K&K pickup.  But with stage volume sometimes the tuner doesn't register well.  I wondered about moving it behind the preamp to give it more signal, or if that would just give it more of the signal with the stage noise picked up.  

Other pedals I'm not using.  Boss Fuzz, Crybaby wah, Morley ABY switch (I may use this if I needed to play acoustic and electric in the same set?)  

And a quick pic of the G&L

(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/372/18784487454_78cdefde25_z.jpg)


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: ducktrapper on July 04, 2015, 01:32:08 PM
Of course, we need pictures.   :thumb


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: Scrambler17 on July 04, 2015, 01:33:19 PM
Of course, we need pictures.   :thumb

I was having a hard time getting them to show up,  I think I've got it now. 


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: ducktrapper on July 04, 2015, 01:49:10 PM
I was having a hard time getting them to show up,  I think I've got it now.  

Well done. Nice rig. Nice to see another vinyl guy too. Or am I mistaken? It looks like Traffic's "John Barleycorn"?  :cheers


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: Scrambler17 on July 04, 2015, 02:05:02 PM
Well done. Nice rig. Nice to see another vinyl guy too. Or am I mistaken? It looks like Traffic's "John Barleycorn"?  :cheers

The square framed item next to the chair is a Japanese print.  I do have vinyl not quite in the photo.  A bunch of old stuff my parents were getting rid of.  But, i need to get a receiver to get my record player set up. 


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: ducktrapper on July 04, 2015, 02:58:02 PM
The square framed item next to the chair is a Japanese print.  I do have vinyl not quite in the photo.  A bunch of old stuff my parents were getting rid of.  But, i need to get a receiver to get my record player set up.  

Ah when I look closer I see they're not albums. My mistake. I'm not sure how you're posting pics. When I use the Additional Options method below, my pics can be clicked on and enlarged using your photo manager. Or does that just work for me because they're mine?    :cheers


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: Mikeymac on July 04, 2015, 04:53:36 PM
Ah when I look closer I see they're not albums. My mistake. I'm not sure how you're posting pics. When I use the Additional Options method below, my pics can be clicked on and enlarged using your photo manager. Or does that just work for me because they're mine?    :cheers

Not just you, Tom...I'm able to click on most other people's pics and enlarge them as well.  :thumbsup


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: ST on July 04, 2015, 06:42:47 PM
If pedals includes the concept of modifying the sound that you would otherwise get by plugging a guitar into an amp, then  by that definition, I do that.

I never got into individual pedals really.  I know that I could and would spend years picking and choosing and trying to figure out the best order and routing and gain staging and power supplies  and cables and cases. I would never get around to playing.

I have one of these that I got a long time ago when I was playing Blues.  Discontinued long ago. They are still around because they are as indestructible as they look.

(http://www.mesaboogie.com/media/Out%20of%20Production%20Products/V-Twin/vtpedal.png) (http://www.naimkorudag.com/gear/pedals_processors/V_Twin.jpg)
--== Please click the picture for more details ==--

And love 'em or hate 'em, there seems to be no in-between.

I haven't used it live in years but I keep it around (and haul it out to gigs) as a backup in case my main rig goes down (but that has never happened).

These days I'm using the Kemper Profiling Amp
(http://www.jam.se/productImages/cache/grid/A85548.jpg) (http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=46622.0)
for everything I need between my guitar and the power amp/speakers. (Bose L1 or Bose Compact depending on the circumstances).

Most of the time I just find an amp profile that I like, and play it. I don't tend to put time into tweaking or adding effects unless there's some iconic sound required for a cover tune.

All I really want is the shortest possible path between inspiration and sound in the room.




Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: Scrambler17 on July 04, 2015, 08:08:45 PM
Ah when I look closer I see they're not albums. My mistake. I'm not sure how you're posting pics. When I use the Additional Options method below, my pics can be clicked on and enlarged using your photo manager. Or does that just work for me because they're mine?    :cheers

I used Flickr because I've had an account there forever.  But their HTML script wasn't playing nice with the forum here.  So it's just a midsized image shown.  What service do you use to post images?


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: ducktrapper on July 04, 2015, 09:23:38 PM
I used Flickr because I've had an account there forever.  But their HTML script wasn't playing nice with the forum here.  So it's just a midsized image shown.  What service do you use to post images?

I don't use any. I manage my own photos on my computer and upload them using the "additional options" link below the posting window. I had used whatever "Smile" use to be (Webshots?) but when it became Smile, I lost a bunch of photos that I did not have backed up. Wasn't too happy about that.  


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: Scrambler17 on July 05, 2015, 03:34:17 AM
I don't use any. I manage my own photos on my computer and upload them using the "additional options" link below the posting window. I had used whatever "Smile" use to be (Webshots?) but when it became Smile, I lost a bunch of photos that I did not have backed up. Wasn't too happy about that.  

Ok, I see that option now.  The only problem is the photos are too large.  Maybe when I have time to reduce them I'll add them back that way.

Thanks


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: ducktrapper on July 05, 2015, 12:14:33 PM
Ok, I see that option now.  The only problem is the photos are too large.  Maybe when I have time to reduce them I'll add them back that way.

Thanks

Yes, I use my photo manager to re-size any pics for the forum.


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: rockstar_not on July 05, 2015, 09:23:39 PM
I use a zoom G5 amp sm and multifx unit.  It provides a DI for any PA system and weighs about 10 lb.  I can tap tempo for modulation. FX and the brains allow for time multiplication.  For example, to play U2 and a whole host of modern worship music you need dotted 8th delay which I have set in one of my patches.  Tap in quarter notes, get dotted 8th delay out. It's like magic.

BTW, the big pedal that looks wonky in the photo is part of the two-axis pedal that the G5 and a few other G-series multifx from Zoom provide.  I have the amount of reverb programmed in the left-right arrangement of that pedal, and the amount of delay on the up/down axis of the pedal.

This gives a nearly infinite combination of those two effects and in a typical 5-6 song worship set, about the only thing I do is modify the relative left/right and up/down position of that pedal.  The smaller pedal on the right is my tap-tempo input pedal.

I see folks spending $200+ for each of their pedals on a pedal board, and I have a hard time coughing up that much for a single one-trick-pony effect.  The guitar in that photo only cost me $300 (Epiphone Nighthawk Custom re-issue).  Plus, with these multi-fx units, one can program several different patches with just one pedal button click.  I use the patch I described above (using a Two Rock Emerald 50W amp sim that is my favorite in the Zoom), and usually one other patch where I have a swell effect programmed into the compression - I play 'pads' when the keyboard player cannot, using that patch.

-Scott


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: rockstar_not on July 05, 2015, 09:46:51 PM
BTW, if anyone is interested in a tutorial of how to build a signal chain using amp and effects, I wrote a blog post on that a year and a half or so ago.  While there is no 'right' order of effects, there are combinations that give a good basis to start with.  This article goes into the thought process behind the sound one is looking for.

https://worshipbandwingman.wordpress.com/category/effects-order/

inside of that post are some block diagrams I made of effect order and how you might use them in an amp, or amp simulation situation.


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: ducktrapper on July 06, 2015, 01:27:49 AM
Cool I'll have a look at that.   :cheers


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: robwms on July 15, 2015, 04:05:25 AM
What nobody around this place has pedals?
or pedal envy?
 weird...

OK, you want pedals, here are some pedals...



Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: Scrambler17 on November 21, 2017, 12:52:35 PM
This post hasn't been updated for 2.5 years, so why not bring it back!  I've been updating my pedals over that time.  Here's a pic of my board when I first set it up . 

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/319/19218632460_b6aa9b27ab_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/vhhvS5)2015-07-04 08.45.06 (https://flic.kr/p/vhhvS5) by B B (https://www.flickr.com/photos/14090587@N07/), on Flickr


The main purpose of this rig is for worship services at Church.  The current trend in worship music is very synth heavy etc with smaller guitar parts, coming out of Hillsong and Bethel.  It's synth led for sure, not guitar driven anymore.  I'm sure that trend will swing back in the future.  I'm also playing more and more lead lines now so I needed to be able to get some of those tones.  Also, delay is very prevalent with some songs having multiple delay settings per song.  So, here's where the pedals stand as of last night!

I added a Silver Pony which is a Klon clone about a year ago, but this fall I've just upgraded my Drives and swapped out the Boss pedals for a Truetone VS-XO dual drive pedal.  It's great, lots of options with that drive and great harmonics in the mix. 

And yesterday I just got a new delay.  NPD? The Source Audio Nemesis.  It has a lot of sounds on there, more than I'll use, but more importantly it has presets so I can scroll through them in a set.  It also has deep editing capabilities through the computer or a phone app, and MIDI.  But for now I think what's available via the knobs is good for me. 

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4569/38560893101_5f5938e58f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21KuE5v)2017-11-20 20.01.20 (https://flic.kr/p/21KuE5v) by B B (https://www.flickr.com/photos/14090587@N07/), on Flickr

Inadvertently I've lost all of the color on the board and have a black theme going on.  The Silver Pony is the only thing that's not black. 

I was able to pick up all those new pedals used and save some decent cash.  The thing about pedals, even more so than guitars, is that folks are always looking for the next big thing and the sound that fits their setup. 

I'm playing the RS2 almost exclusively at church now.  My G&L ASAT (Tele) mostly stays home because we've got a small grounding buzz on stage and the humbuckers do better.   


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: Davy Vanthuyne on November 21, 2017, 10:31:31 PM
This is what I use, not much but enough.


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: Scrambler17 on November 22, 2017, 04:07:44 PM
This is what I use, not much but enough.

How do you like that Flint?


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: ST on November 22, 2017, 04:23:58 PM
Just picked up a Boss GT-1

(https://static.roland.com/assets/images/products/main/gt-1_main.jpg) (https://www.boss.info/us/products/gt-1/)
 Please click the picture for more details

It's small, light, runs on batteries and it sounds great.  It's easy to carry everywhere and it's handy for jam sessions where there's not a lot of time for setup.

Probably no more expensive than a single boutique pedal ($200 USD street).

Here's a review.
https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/24933-boss-gt-1-review


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: L07 Shooting Star on November 23, 2017, 06:13:04 AM
I'm waiting for the first Smartwatch guitar signal processors to arrive.


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: Mikeymac on November 24, 2017, 04:39:05 AM
Just picked up a Boss GT-1

It's small, light, runs on batteries and it sounds great.  It's easy to carry everywhere and it's handy for jam sessions where there's not a lot of time for setup.

Probably no more expensive than a single boutique pedal ($200 USD street).

Here's a review.
https://www.premierguitar.com/articles/24933-boss-gt-1-review


Nice review - I'm looking forward to your "real world" review.


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: Davy Vanthuyne on November 24, 2017, 04:39:35 PM
How do you like that Flint?
nice reverb, different types. I would recommend the Flint to anyone. I use it with the Champ. Check out Julian Lage, same set up.


Title: Re: I USE PEDALS!
Post by: eded on November 25, 2017, 01:32:18 AM
For acoustic...  I want it to be the guitar, but louder.  So, no (or minimal) effects.

Electric... Big Muff, volume pedal, echo ( preferred is Digitech 8 sec digital delay though various will serve), Boomerang looper.

I've been thru many (many) pedals...  this is what works for me.   I've seen pedal boards with dozens of pedals used to good effect.   Before long, they just get in the way for me.

I love multi effect pedals but I'm a "real time" player.  The difficulty of changing parameters in real time makes them less than optimal for me.

Ed