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Title: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: slide13 on January 25, 2013, 09:18:45 PM
First off, this is my first post here so  :gotdonuts:

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I wanted to get peoples opinions on the parlor as a main guitar.  I live in a small 1 bedroom condo and will pretty much only play at home for myself.  I used to play when I was younger but haven't played seriously in many years so this will be used to get back into playing and just for entertainment.  I do have an old Alvarez dread back home at my parents so it wouldn't really be my only acoustic...but the only one at my place.  There is just something appealing about the small size of the parlor (and I'm not a small guy) and the quieter volume for a multi-unit dwelling so I won't bother the neighbors. 

For those who have a parlor and something else...say an L or an OM or something....what do you find yourself picking up the most for just playing around with at home?


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: Denis on January 25, 2013, 10:18:44 PM
Welcome to the forum slide13!   :coffee :donut

The parlors aren't exactly known for their strumming power so if that's your thing, you won't be too impressed.  For fingerstyle they do quite well and I could play one for a long time.  Not sure I would have just a parlor but if that's all your space allows, then go for it.  Oh and your neighbors will hear it too.  Medium gauge strings are a must on these short scale guitars.  Cheers



Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: vacapicker on January 26, 2013, 01:15:28 AM
Hello Slide.........Have you played 12/14 fret parlors and 0/00 size?   Try a bunch before you choose.  I heartily endorse the move to a small body.  If this is for couch pickin' and patio playing, you're in the right direction.  J.D. :beer


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: Walkerman on January 26, 2013, 01:33:16 AM
For playing by yourself, they're great.  If you're playing with others, it will get lost.....unless of course, you're mic'd.


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: eded on January 26, 2013, 02:24:31 AM
For playing by yourself, they're great.  If you're playing with others, it will get lost.....unless of course, you're mic'd.

Which speaks more about the people who play big guitars than the guitars.  For a lot of people, playing music is like an arms race...  (s)he who is loudest wins.  That's where terms like 'cannon' and 'banjo killer' come from.

My parlor has been my main guitar for quite a while.  I don't have to strain my voice or use a mic to be loud enough.  When playing with people who want to play with others, it can keep up just fine.

Ed


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: brandon on January 26, 2013, 02:31:54 AM
As you can see from my signature line, I have a dreadnaught, an OM, and a parlor.

If you are speaking strictly for home use, I pick up the parlor the most. When I play out I use the d-60 the most but have been using the omv-50 a good bit as well.

I actually bought my parlor just for the sake of having something smaller to use strictly for couch and recliner playing and I love it.

All that said, don't limit yourself to a parlor....check out the 00 size and LS size guitars from larrivee.

Good luck!!


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: L07 Shooting Star on January 26, 2013, 03:05:53 AM
Which speaks more about the people who play big guitars than the guitars.  For a lot of people, playing music is like an arms race...  (s)he who is loudest wins.  That's where terms like 'cannon' and 'banjo killer' come from.

My parlor has been my main guitar for quite a while.  I don't have to strain my voice or use a mic to be loud enough.  When playing with people who want to play with others, it can keep up just fine.
Ed
Playing with others, that's a whole can of worms and worthy of another thread.  If you're fortunate enough to play with a group that is sensitive to balancing things out so all can be heard, that's great.  My experience is that a "snowball effect" happens.  Player A can't hear himself/herself so he plays louder or turns up the volume.  Then player B can't hear so he/she turns up, and on and on it goes.

Anyways, I agree a parlor is a fine choice for someone who just want's to play at home, learn some tunes or whatever.


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: broKen on January 26, 2013, 07:30:08 AM
Hello slide. Glad for your visit with us. If you need to be quiet where you play, you might do what I did recently. I got some cheap carpeting and covered the walls with it. It sure quiets the room down and eliminates echo. Sound waves hit the carpet and stop righht there. I like the effect. Also consider getting a oo instead of a parlor. It will be quiet enough in the apartment, maybe, and loud enough at group play. Of course if its a short scale you're looking for, get the parlor. Have fun and remember to share you're experience with us.


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: GA-ME on January 26, 2013, 12:46:32 PM
It really isn't about the guitar. It's about the enjoyment of making music. Buy the guitar you which feels best to you and then enjoy making some music. Welcome to the forum.    :donut :donut2 :coffee


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: SMan on January 26, 2013, 03:52:18 PM
 :welcome: slide and thanks for the  :donut 's

I play my parlor more than any other acoustic I have.  It is way more comfortable in a chair at home.  As for tone and volume that has a lot to do with the instruments' construction as well as size and/or body shape.  I am surprised at how many people have commented that my parlor is a "cannon".  Due to physical limitations I rarely play a Dred.  Grand Concert is about the biggest I play anymore.

All that said I agree with the previous comment by GA-ME


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: Mr_LV19E on January 26, 2013, 05:24:20 PM
Volume and tone are created by the player. If you attack the strings hard you will create volume but your tone will be harsh and invariable, if you play with a light touch you will increase your palette of tone variation or dynamics which in turn will keep you and your listeners interested.

Music is supposed to tell a auditory story and as such usually contains emotional highs and lows. Resist the temptation to get stuck on high.

Whatever body shape you choose I recommend learning to hold back on attacking the strings to get the most volume, this allows you to get the most tone variation and create emotion with your playing.

And above all else, have fun.


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: slide13 on January 26, 2013, 06:41:10 PM
Thanks for the feedback everyone.  Sat down at the shop with a P-03, P-03R, LV-03, and L-03R to compare to different woods and body sizes. I had originally been wanting an L but after thinking about Parlors they really had some appeal to me. The P models definitely don't sound quite as full, but still had a really nice sound. I think the full size sounds a little better but for some reason I enjoyed playing the Parlors more. Hard to pick between the regular and R version. R seems richer sounding, more overtones, but the standard seemed a little more focused. Going to have to keep giving this a little thought.


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: teh on January 27, 2013, 06:53:20 PM
I love my parlor but they aren't for everyone although I happen to think the parlor and L body are Larrivee's best two models which is how I ended up with one of each. If you can get your hands on a Larrivee maple parlor, you may find it grabs you just like mine did.

The Taylor GS Mini I played on Thursday sounded pretty sweet too for a small bodied guitar. 





Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: bluesman67 on January 28, 2013, 01:58:48 AM
I think the main consideration is "your only acoustic".  I would say if it were your only acoustic, other small bodies with more diversity be an OM, LS, or OO.  I would give these a consideration and compare to a parlor.


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: snkysnake on January 28, 2013, 03:44:04 AM
You should try the Double O  (00-) size  if at all posssible.  Just an inch or so bigger around than the parlour , and just an inch or so smaller than the L size, so you get more volume  and a little richer tone , while still having a small comfy guitar for couch  playing. Mine keeps up quite nicely when playing out with other considerate musicians. Like others have stated, if you get playing with people that are constantly upping the volume , than you need a bigger hammer than a couch guitar.


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: eded on January 28, 2013, 04:33:39 AM
I often wonder if the people who refer to a parlor as a 'couch guitar' have ever played one.

Ed


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: snkysnake on January 28, 2013, 05:28:23 AM
I get what you are saying about the "couch guitar" reference .  I try to be careful and just say " the guitar is comfy for playing on the couch".  A more precise  term for me would be "Recliner guitar" or "Lazyboy guitar" . I think most people have seen enuff parlors and O size , not to mention Martin size five etc , to  feel comfortable in using the generic "couch guitar" label. I think they are just diferentiating between  Dreads and "little"  guitars.


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: L07 Shooting Star on January 28, 2013, 07:20:26 AM
I get what you are saying about the "couch guitar" reference .  I try to be careful and just say " the guitar is comfy for playing on the couch".  A more precise  term for me would be "Recliner guitar" or "Lazyboy guitar" . I think most people have seen enuff parlors and O size , not to mention Martin size five etc , to  feel comfortable in using the generic "couch guitar" label. I think they are just diferentiating between  Dreads and "little"  guitars.

Perhaps, but to some "couch guitar" implies that's all it's good for which is misleading and certainly not the case.


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: devellis on January 28, 2013, 02:12:19 PM
I'm a big fan of small-bodied guitars but if I could only have one instrument, it wouldn't be a parlor.  Something like an OM is considerably more versatile.  On the other hand, for someone with multiple guitars, a parlor is one inclusion that I'd strongly recommend.  They're supremely comfortable to play and can have a distinctive voice that's really pleasant.


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: slide13 on January 28, 2013, 02:38:14 PM
I should also mention that when I say only guitar, I don't mean permanently.  If I start playing a lot and getting to the point where I play with other and want to play out sometime I'd certainly plan on getting a new L body probably. 

Honestly, when I think about what I want to play around with when sitting at home, it's the parlor.  Same thing when I was in the shop playing the parlors next to a L-03R.  The L-03R certainly sounded nicer and fuller, as is expected, but the parlors sounded nice in their own way and I kept wanting to go back to them.  Might go back in the next day or two to try again....but leaning towards picking up the P-03 possibly. 


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: Danny on January 28, 2013, 03:27:42 PM
Another vote for OO. Parlors don't have the oomph of an OO. But they are not very big either, for an only guitar I would not want just want to have only a parlor.But I could easily be happy with just an OO.


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on January 28, 2013, 03:32:38 PM
Another vote for OO. Parlors don't have the oomph of an OO. But they are not very big either, for an only guitar I would not want just want to have only a parlor.But I could easily be happy with just an OO.
:+1:


Title: Re: Re: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: Strings4Him on January 28, 2013, 03:58:18 PM
Another vote for OO. Parlors don't have the oomph of an OO. But they are not very big either, for an only guitar I would not want just want to have only a parlor.But I could easily be happy with just an OO.

Yup!


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: devellis on January 28, 2013, 07:34:00 PM
I should also mention that when I say only guitar, I don't mean permanently.  If I start playing a lot and getting to the point where I play with other and want to play out sometime I'd certainly plan on getting a new L body probably. 

Honestly, when I think about what I want to play around with when sitting at home, it's the parlor.  Same thing when I was in the shop playing the parlors next to a L-03R.  The L-03R certainly sounded nicer and fuller, as is expected, but the parlors sounded nice in their own way and I kept wanting to go back to them.  Might go back in the next day or two to try again....but leaning towards picking up the P-03 possibly. 

Ultimately, it's your judgment that matters.  What any of us would do shouldn't influence you if your own hands and ears tell you that a parlor guitar is what would make you happiest.


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: slide13 on January 29, 2013, 02:18:53 AM
Went back tonight and played the P-03, OM-02, and a OO-03MT. Loved the size of the OO and it was a really cool sounding guitar, though maybe a touch dark. Might consider it but it's a few hundred more than I was hoping to spend. Wish I could find a spruce top OO.


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: Danny on January 29, 2013, 04:02:53 PM
You are fortunate to be able to play so many first. I would suggest going back and playing each one until you think that you know which model you want. Then go back and play that model even more.


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: HAMFIST on January 31, 2013, 01:57:38 AM
Very cool thread.

One thing I am thinking about ...

I have an OM and an L. But I am thinking that a parlor would be a very cool guitar for swing blues. If I could get one with a cutaway, I figure I could swing just as hard on the thing as I could on a Les Paul. It would probably fit into the mix pretty well with an upright bass.

Whaddya all think?


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: ewalling on January 31, 2013, 02:12:44 AM
For me, a parlor is great as a main guitar providing it's not too small. I have a Takamine TF87PT New Yorker - all solid cedar and koa - and although I have a few guitars, I could quite happily play just that one if push came to shove. It has a rich sound, plenty of volume, and de-tunes well. It also has the Cooltube pickup. It has 14 frets to the body and a comfortable 24.7" scale length with 1 11/16" at the nut. Takamine does both cheaper and more expensive models of the New Yorker body size.

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Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: Mr_LV19E on January 31, 2013, 03:34:56 AM
I was at Elderly yesterday and played every parlor sized guitar they had. This one (http://elderly.com/new_instruments/items/HGPG.htm) was by far the nicest sounding to me, very articulate with a ton of sustain and sounding much bigger than its size.

I would recommend this specific guitar to anyone looking for a small guitar. I played a lot of expensive guitars and this guitar stood out from the rest including the Larrivee 000 and Sloped Dread that surprisingly sounded the same to my ear. The H&D and the SCGC just didn't do anything for me, they were very nice don't get me wrong, they just didn't seem worthy of the price. The Elderly edition Martin 0 was also very nice but seemed a little tight compared to the Heindel.

Off topic but I also played a very nice sounding Martin D-28 12 string, they even had a left hand version.   :nice guitar:


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: webberink on January 31, 2013, 09:16:45 PM
I have a P-03R and just love it.  It is definitely a guitar that can be played in all kinds of situations, although is is also definitly not the easiest guitar to play, at least for me.    IMO a Larrivee parlor is definitely not my choice for a beginner guitar any more than it's a dedicated couch potato.  But here is the thing, my dear old dad always said, "Beware of the man with only one gun, he can probably really shoot it."  A person with one guitar like a Larrivee parlor could do amazing things with it in all kinds of venues.  Larry Pattis is just one classical example of what can be done on a Larrivee Parlor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvMKfkl3YGw  .  My advice ... buy the parlor, the rosewood one ... and play on it till the cows come home ... you bectha.  :winkin:
Dave


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: Danny on January 31, 2013, 11:13:50 PM
I have a P-03R and just love it.  It is definitely a guitar that can be played in all kinds of situations, although is is also definitly not the easiest guitar to play, at least for me.    IMO a Larrivee parlor is definitely not my choice for a beginner guitar any more than it's a dedicated couch potato.  But here is the thing, my dear old dad always said, "Beware of the man with only one gun, he can probably really shoot it."  A person with one guitar like a Larrivee parlor could do amazing things with it in all kinds of venues.  Larry Pattis is just one classical example of what can be done on a Larrivee Parlor. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvMKfkl3YGw  .  My advice ... buy the parlor, the rosewood one ... and play on it till the cows come home ... you bectha.  :winkin:
Dave
Very good analogy.


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: bobsnuscruz on February 01, 2013, 01:04:23 AM
Hi there. Welcome.

If you fingerpick: the parlor (subject to your definition of such) should be fine. 

On my wall are 4 guitars: 2-OMs, an LS, and one size 1.  (Note that I think a size 1 is bigger than a "parlor", but there are those who think "parlor" includes 00s and 000s. YMYV)

I pick up the size 1 first, almost every time.  It's easy to hold, and it was not too much money.  It's loud enough for home, unless I'm jamming with a group. My player friends say they like the sound, but they're just being polite.  I could live with this guitar as my only guitar, but a big part of it's appeal is its relative lack of value: if it gets whacked, I am not out a lot of money.   


Title: Re: Parlor as main/only acoustic?
Post by: mdutr0 on February 01, 2013, 08:17:36 PM
I'm new to parlors myself, but I am really enjoying my new P-03R and it is quickly becoming my main, go-to guitar.

Of course I think it really depends on your playing style.