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Title: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: bacchus on January 05, 2012, 06:48:39 PM
So now that a Forum V RS-4 may be in my future, I will need an amp.  A real amp.  Well let's qualify this a bit: A real amp that won't break the bank.  I honestly don't even know where to start on this so what do you guys think?  What do you use?  What do you like?  What is your criteria for choosing a good amp?

What are some good amps that would get along with and make sweet music babies with an RS-4?

My main criteria is versatility.  I would love an amp that can do rich beautiful cleans, gritty blues, and even some higher gain stuff.  If I should have to sacrifice any of those I suppose that I could supplement really high gain stuff with pedals and whatnot.




Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Mikeymac on January 05, 2012, 08:26:18 PM
Depends ... are you going to play mostly at home? Are you going to play out? What styles of music do you like?

There are so many choices out there, even among amps that won't "break the bank" as you say...

A few suggestions (all in the under $1,000 range; many under $500 either new or used):

Peavey Classic 30
Fender Princeton Reverb Reissue
Vox AC15C1
Fender Mustang series
Tech 21 Trademark 60
Peavey Bandit III
Engater
VHT Special 6 or Special 6 Ultra


And lots more ... do a search on Musicians Friend by price ... you'll be reading for hours...


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Barefoot Rob on January 05, 2012, 08:44:47 PM
I have played them thru mostley tube amps and since I prefer tube amps I say TUBE AMP.The amps I have played thru so far have been a Silver Face Fender Vibrolux,72 Fender Princeton Reverb,75 Fender Delux Reverb and a Peavey Classic 30.If I was in the market for a humbucking guitar and since I own a 72 Princeton Reverb I'd play it thru that and be very happy as not only is it a great home amp I gig on it too.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: bacchus on January 05, 2012, 09:13:06 PM
Thanks for the input guys,

I am definitely a bedroom player.  I certainly don't need anything more than just enough to annoy my girlfriend and dog.

As far as styles, I could name some bands, though generally I write my own music and it really goes all over the place.  If I had to nail down a couple of bands whose tonal spectrum I may wish to emulate it would be something like Radiohead, Porcupine Tree, any of your classic rock and blues staples, that kind of stuff.  The thing about the two specific bands I listed is that they have a pretty vast range of musical styles.  From bright, spanky and clean to fairly dark and heavy.

Without a doubt I will go with a tube amp.  I have been playing an old Bedrock 600 series that belongs to my father and it was a great amp, though not exactly what I am looking for.  Nonetheless, the difference between that and my current Laney solid state is remarkable.

I have had the Peavey Classic 30, Vox AC15C1, and now Fender Princeton reverb suggested to me by a handful of people so I may start my journey by checking those out.  Lets see if youtube will do me any good.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: LookingForLarri on January 05, 2012, 09:45:10 PM
I would have to add Blackstar HT-20 to the list.

Love mine, has decent cleans, great distortion and can be played at bedroom levels as well as quite a bit more.  :beer


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Mikeymac on January 05, 2012, 11:31:25 PM
I totally understand the desire for a good tube amp - and I listed those top three first because they would definitely give you the most bang for the buck (even the Princeton Reverb, but if you could find a nice used one, you'd save a few bucks).

Having said that about tube amps, the Tech 21 Trademark 60 is the nicest sounding SS amp I've ever heard for cleans...it's drive tones are pretty good, but the cleans are amazing. It's also light at 36 lbs., and would be plenty loud for home playing / annoying your housemates!  Only downside is the price - it costs about as much as a comparable tube amp ... you just don't have to mess with tubes (or weight).


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: randmag on January 05, 2012, 11:44:57 PM
Check out Swart amps. They have sound samples and videos on their website. I use the 20 watt AST and the 5 watt 6V6se. The AST has incredible cleans up to moderate distortion. It can be loud if cranked but it sounds great with the RS-4. It may be out of your price range though. The 6V6se is half the price and has more gain. The smaller 6V6 can be considered a bedroom amp but it can get fairly loud also. Just my 2 cents.

This is my first post in a while. I've been checking the new posts regularly just to see how the Forum V RS-4 is progressing. I should be receiving my Bakersfield soon but I'm still interested in the F-V once the details are final. Can't wait to try the Bakersfield  :guitar

Randy  :donut :donut2 :donut :donut2

and coffee for all :coffee :coffee :coffee :coffee



Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Barefoot Rob on January 06, 2012, 03:31:02 AM
Another nice small bedroom amp with versitile tone and a tube amp to boot is the Fender Blue's Jr.15 watts and overdrive built in and is small too.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: flatlander on January 06, 2012, 03:59:22 AM
Whatever you do just know that for electric, the amp is the other half of guitar. Not playing electric all that much I've learned lessons. Know how much crunch or overdrive type sound you want and find an amp that delivers that.  Something like a 65 reissue twin reverb will remain clean sounding way beyond any kind of level your ears took take. Others you turn on the overdrive chan and you are in outer space immediatly. I like just a little extra crunch but not too much. So know what you want and try them out.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: photomat on January 06, 2012, 06:22:23 AM
I play my RS-4 through a Marshall 18 watt tube amp most of the time, but lately have been using the Tubemeister 18 head, and that is one versatile amp that goes from clean to crunch to high gain.  Great price on the head, but you will need to get a cab for it.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on January 06, 2012, 02:22:23 PM
As was suggested search for the sound you have in your head, take your Git with you. As for brands many of the brands suggested are as good as any. The Boutiques like Swart or Carr and many others are superb tho far from cheap. You really can't go wrong with a Fender tube tho IMO.

Depending on your intended usage I wouldn't be so quick to rule out a SS. I am playing a lot of Jazz right now and my Polytone is getting more use than any of my others that are mostly tube. The Fender G-Dec is another SS and is so much fun, a great learning/practice amp and they are dirt cheap.

Lots of variables and tastes here my friend have fun researching and testing


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: bacchus on January 06, 2012, 03:13:59 PM
I like these suggestions so far, thanks everyone.

@ LookingForLarri - Blackstar has also crossed my radar recently.  I saw a concert recently (Opeth, for those who care) and one of them played a blackstar amp with a singlecut PRS.  Man, that sounded super sweet.  This band definitely goes from super clean and soft to hard and heavy.  Though, it was the heavy sound that really got me.

@Mikeymac (and JOYCE) - I am really sold (maybe unreasonably so) on getting a tube amp.  I currently have an ok-ish SS Laney amp, it does what I need, but I dont think I'll be happy with it when I get a nice new guitar.  If I found a good solid state, then I might change my mind, though I feel a little stubborn about this.

@Randmag - Swart would be great.  My brother's father-in-law has a substantial collection of guitars and a sweet Swart amp stack to play through.  At my brother's wedding I sat in his guitar room with a glass of 25 year old scotch, played a ridiculous PRS (like some sort of special edition modern eagle something...) through the Swart.  That, my friend, was heaven.  I suspect that those will probably be out of my price range.

@photomat - Never heard of tubemeister, noted.

@rob, JOYCE, and flatlander - I honestly love the clean sound of a good fender amp, love it.  What is difficult for me about this decision is deciding what end of the spectrum I reside.  I much prefer the clean on fender, but really love the overdrive and transition from clean to crunch on some british tubes, the vox for example.  Granted, I have very little experience with this stuff.

FWIW, I really need to spend some time with some of these amps.  I lack experience on this stuff, and there is only one way to rectify this.  Thus far, all I have is youtube to give me an idea, this is definitely not an optimal way to do this, but it gets me started, I guess.  FWIW, my budget would ideally stay in the 500 - 800ish range, with wiggle room for viable candidates.  

Again, I really appreciate the advice here.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: WPete on January 06, 2012, 04:59:55 PM
I'm new to electrics too and went thru this process a few months ago - http://www.thegearpage.net  - forum is a wealth of info and their amp FS section is pretty active.

I ended up going used and picked up a Goodsell 5/17 combo on ebay @ your price limit, tho Goodsell now has gone to simpler black cabinets and his prices now are more accessible new and probably will lower used prices on his amps a bit too, his unibox 10 and older used 5 and 7 watt models would also be in your range used.
His site is here w/ good sound clips:
   http://www.superseventeen.com/goodsell-black-line/unibox-10---black-line.html  
the Unibox 10 demo video is intro'd by Richard Goodsell and demo by Jody Worrell is pretty slick.

and pics of mine and robwms's Goodsell's are here
 http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=37678.20.

Lots of good small tube amp builders out there - here's a 22 page thread on "best 5 boutique amps"   http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=237410  to give you some idea of the choices and opinions out there. Goodsell, Swart, Carr, Victoria and Dr Z all pop up there fairly often. Happy shopping  :cheers


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: L07 Shooting Star on January 06, 2012, 09:10:15 PM
Good to hear you haven't completely ruled out solid state altogther.  I say you should at least try the Fender Mustang series and the Line 6 Spyder IV series.  You might be surprised at how good these modelling amps sound.  One bonus is less weight and no tubes to replace, of course.  The Fender Superchamp XD is another one to consider.  It's a "hybrid" design with tube pre-amp.  The clean channel on mine is outstanding.  The amp models on the Sumperchamp are pretty nice too, although to me, not as good as the Mustang or Line 6 amp models and effects.  I like the versatility of the SS amps.  Good tube sound can't be beat, I suppose, IF you find the perfect one for your taste.  So you may have a longer quest to find one.  With the best modelling amps, you have a lot more choices and don't have to find another amp should you decide to change your tastes.  As far as reliability and durability, I don't know if one design is better than the other, but at least there are no tubes to wear out with a SS.

I switched from a great sounding Peavy Valveking 112 (tube) to a Line 6 Spyder IV 120W - 210 combo for gigging and band practise simply because it is so much easier to dial in exactly the tones and effects I want and save them for future use.  And this is without any pedals attached which is very important to me.  The only "pedal" I need is the 4-button footswitch/volume pedal.  I can assign preset tones to each of the 4 buttons on the footswitch and use the pedal as a volume control or a wha wha which is great for gigging.

As for the Mustang series, I never heard one until a week ago when I bought the basic Mustang I model that came in a package with an electric guitar at a price I couldn't resist.  I am just blown away by how authentic that little amp sounds.  It is now my bench amp and will remain so for a long long time.  And it's small enough to pack anywhere, yet loud as hell if you want.  I imagine the larger ones must sound great if this little one is any indication.

To me, the choice between tube and SS boils down to convenience VS authentic tube tone, but I feel today's best modelling amps provide tones that are so "authentic" that it's worth the trade-off.

 :nana_guitar

(talking about this recent equipment made me realize it's time to update my signature)


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: bacchus on January 06, 2012, 10:09:22 PM
It is likely that I will have a bit of time before I get the Forum V in my hands (assuming it all goes through), so I should have lots of time to play around, and I really intend to.

I suppose that I ought not be too dismissive of SS amps.  I just really have this romantic notion, pervasive in the gear hound communities, and internet forums, of having a sweet tube amp with all of it's vintage mojo, warm tones, and unicorn tears.

It's funny that you bring up the Line 6 stuff L07, the first amp I got with my first guitar was a little Line 6 Spider 15 watt.  That thing was a great little amp for me to start on.  I also have a Line 6 POD xt that I still use for amp and effect modeling.  I am now playing that with my hand-me-down Laney 2x12 something or other.

So I now have some amps in mind, including some fenders, the Vox ac15c1, and some of the others listed here.  However, now I can't get some of these boutique amps out of my head. So I went looking and, in general, they are out of my range.  Though one thing I did notice was that there were a few offerings that could be nudged in my direction, but they all seemed to be 5W models.  For example, the Swart ST-6V6se (randmag also mentioned this one).  This sounds good in the clips, though it is a professional player on a professional recording.  What are some thoughts on 5W tube amps?  I don't need a lot, I am really only a bedroom player, but I don't want to be too lacking.  Thanks everyone.  I know I am asking for a lot of info here - hope this helps:    :donut :donut2 :coffee :donut2 :donut and some potassium  :nanadance


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on January 06, 2012, 10:29:15 PM
It is likely that I will have a bit of time before I get the Forum V in my hands (assuming it all goes through), so I should have lots of time to play around, and I really intend to.

 I am now playing that with my hand-me-down Laney 2x12 something or other.

 now I can't get some of these boutique amps out of my head.

What are some thoughts on 5W tube amps?  I don't need a lot, I am really only a bedroom player, but I don't want to be too lacking.

Given the above, OK I will make it easy for you ( well sort of) save your $ use the Laney for awhile save until you can buy the Carr Mini Mercury, its all you will ever need and will surely get the boutique GAS outta your head,

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Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: bacchus on January 06, 2012, 10:49:20 PM
Given the above, OK I will make it easy for you ( well sort of) save your $ use the Laney for awhile save until you can buy the Carr Mini Mercury, its all you will ever need and will surely get the boutique GAS outta your head,

Cool, I'll check it out.  Thanks.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: randmag on January 06, 2012, 11:58:47 PM
This is a good discussion. I've only been playing a couple of years and I only have experience with the Swart and a Fender Hotrod Deville which I gave to a friend who's in a local punk band. The Fender sounded great to me but it was more than what I needed for playing at home.

I first came to the Larrivee Forum to check out the threads on electric guitars about a year ago and ended up buying my RS-4 Goldtop  :drool: based on the advise/reviews of the fine people on this forum. I absolutely love that guitar. It works great with the Swart AST but I'm also pretty sure that the amps suggested here by the others would be very good as well. I almost went with Carr when I was first looking but for whatever reason I decided on Swart. I'll bet Carr, Dr. Z and the other boutique amps are awesome.

What interests me about this thread is the suggestion of SS amps. I've been taking lessons from a seasoned local guitarist/teacher (played with The Guess Who in the 80s) who uses one during my lessons. From time to time he'll change what guitar he uses and to me they all sound great through that SS amp. 

Anyway, I hope you find an amp that brings out the best of your RS-4.

Happy searching  :smile:

 :donut :donut2 :donut

 


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: madoclake on January 07, 2012, 03:00:42 AM
I've been taking lessons from a seasoned local guitarist/teacher (played with The Guess Who in the 80s) who uses one during my lessons. From time to time he'll change what guitar he uses and to me they all sound great through that SS amp. 


um... Are you saying that you take guitar lessons from Randy Bachman? Can anyone join?!


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: fritferret on January 07, 2012, 04:11:13 AM
forgive the spam, but i'm actually selling what was my bedroom/home studio amp.  a traynor darkhorse head and cab.  it's a great little combo.  def. soft enough for bedroom use, but you can actually gig it, too.  great platform for pedals, too.  pm me if you're interested or check them out brand new.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on January 07, 2012, 04:19:04 AM
um... Are you saying that you take guitar lessons from Randy Bachman? Can anyone join?!

The Guess Who in the 80's??? Not so sure it would be Randy


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on January 07, 2012, 04:20:33 AM
forgive the spam, but i'm actually selling what was my bedroom/home studio amp.  a traynor darkhorse head and cab.  it's a great little combo.  def. soft enough for bedroom use, but you can actually gig it, too.  great platform for pedals, too.  pm me if you're interested or check them out brand new.

Luv Traynor - If you were near by I would be taking you up on that deal


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Larrivee4me on January 07, 2012, 04:47:00 AM
I have played them thru mostley tube amps and since I prefer tube amps I say TUBE AMP.The amps I have played thru so far have been a Silver Face Fender Vibrolux,72 Fender Princeton Reverb,75 Fender Delux Reverb and a Peavey Classic 30.If I was in the market for a humbucking guitar and since I own a 72 Princeton Reverb I'd play it thru that and be very happy as not only is it a great home amp I gig on it too.

There are no Larrivee electrics near me to try.  I'd love to hear an RS-4 thru any of the amps you just mentioned.  I developed a new appreciation for single coil pick ups a few years ago and stumbled into a 73 Princeton Reverb along the way.  It's been serviced and has some mild upgrades including a Weber 10f150t.  Compared to the Deluxes and Twins I've played,  the PR has a warmer tone, not overly bright like some of the larger Fender amps.  Sings with the volume at 4 or so,  more "hair" up around 6 to 8 and plenty capable of making my ears ring.  


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: L07 Shooting Star on January 07, 2012, 05:16:37 AM
I suppose that I ought not be too dismissive of SS amps.  I just really have this romantic notion, pervasive in the gear hound communities, and internet forums, of having a sweet tube amp with all of it's vintage mojo, warm tones, and unicorn tears. ..............
Don't get me wrong, I didn't mean to imply tubes were not the way to go.  I think so much depends on what the ultimate use is going to be.

You wondered if 5 watts was enough power for your at home playing.  I don't really know the answer to that, but I would say you might want to get at least enough power to enable you to jam with a small group and be heard in a home setting.  You never know if you might run into a situation in the future where a few people want to get together and make some music.  Just a thought.

And I should put a caveat on my general opinions in my previous post.  And that is I am not an experienced tube amp user to start with and never did quite figure out all the nuances and subtle relationships between adjusting the knobs on tube amps in conjunction with the knobs on the guitar to get the tone I thought I would like to get.   :wacko:

Good luck in your search.  Looking and trying out stuff is half the fun.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: randmag on January 07, 2012, 02:19:53 PM
The Guess Who in the 80's??? Not so sure it would be Randy

No, it isn't Randy Bachman. The gentleman's name is Brian Tataryn and he's the genuine article. He played with the Guess Who in 1981. If you Google him you'll see he was also the musical director for the "Osmond's" movie that was shot here in Winnipeg. He owns a small, used guitar shop in Winnipeg called Ultimate Guitar Works. If you ever stop by Winnipeg you must stop in to see Brian. He has rooms full of guitars and amps, all used, many vintage. Last week I went into his shop and he had a Trainwreck amp sitting on top of a pile of other very nice vintage amps.

I took lessons every week for a year with him but had to stop just a few weeks ago due to a change in my work. The best part of the lessons were some of the stories he would tell; opening for the Allman Brothers, sitting in the green room with Billy Gibbons and playing his guitar, growing up with some of the best musicians that came out of Winnipeg in the 60's and 70's. I found myself grinning at every lesson just knowing that I found the holy grail of guitar teachers.

Anyway, I can go on and on about this guy but maybe that could be another thread? Who was your favorite guitar teacher and why?


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Mikeymac on January 07, 2012, 04:27:31 PM
What are some thoughts on 5W tube amps?  I don't need a lot, I am really only a bedroom player, but I don't want to be too lacking.

I think the main issue with a 5w tube amp is the speaker: bigger and more efficient is the key. I have a Gibson Goldtone GA15-RV that I play on the triode/5W setting all the time, and the volume is usually set at around 9-10 for basement playing, and even then my wife will tell me I'm too loud (from upstairs in the living room). Turn it up to noon and it's really getting cranked (even when I use it - miked - for worship, I don't have it turned up halfway). It has a Celestion Vintage 30 (12") speaker in it; I assume there are other speakers that would even be louder/more efficient.

If you eve see one of these GA15-RV's for sale, GET IT! One of my all time favorite amps, and it compares very nicely to my Carr Rambler. On the used market they go for around $350-500. Worth ... every ... penny.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: bacchus on January 08, 2012, 05:48:41 PM
Regarding the 5W amps, it sure seems nice to have a sweet boutique for a reasonable price, but generally when something seems too good to be true, it is.  Though, I suspect 5W would be enough for 90+% of what will do.  I definitely don't need any more than around 15 or so watts.  My dad has a 50W and I never took the volume past 1.5 - 2.  Mikeymac brings up a good point regarding the speaker size so I will keep that in mind as well.   

I am still keeping the swart 5W in mind, I only wish I could try some of these.  We have a few decent stores to get guitars and gear here in Albuquerque, but I haven't seen anything with a heavy selection of boutique or rarer amps yet.  I also wish I could try an RS-4, though I have nothing but confidence in it's execution.

I looked in to the carr and the traynor.  Both sounded great, the carr seems fantastic, though the price made me quiver a bit.  If I do boutique it will probably have to be a while down the line.  This is likely to be a crazy year for me as I am getting married, starting a new job, etc....  We'll see where that takes and leaves me.

@fritferret - I will keep the traynor in mind, but first I am going to go around and do some playing, I'll let you know if I become more serious about it.

Thanks everyone


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: bacchus on January 08, 2012, 05:55:10 PM
BTW, for those of you who were thinking about the Forum V RS-4, the specs are included in the vote thread.  I don't know if they are finalized yet, but the options are there and if you are serious you may be able to cast your vote for final specs (things like laquer vs. poly finish, headstock inlay, etc...).  This is probably the wrong place to post this, but I noticed a couple of people mentioning in this thread that they were looking at it and thought I would point this out.  I think that this is going to be a sweet and special guitar.


Cameron


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Walkerman on January 09, 2012, 01:28:32 PM
Whatever you decide on, spend a couple of extra bucks and get one of these.  Lets you fool around wherever you may be.  It's a hoot.

www.ampuplugnplay.com/


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Mikeymac on January 09, 2012, 03:01:04 PM
Whatever you decide on, spend a couple of extra bucks and get one of these.  Lets you fool around wherever you may be.  It's a hoot.

www.ampuplugnplay.com/

Walkerman, do you own one of those?I listened to the clips at the website...sounds about how you'd expect.

It does look like a nice solution for portability...not sure I'd want to use it on a regular basis in the man cave though...


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: L07 Shooting Star on January 09, 2012, 05:26:25 PM
I often try and learn new tunes by sitting in front of my computer and playing along with Youtube "lessons".  Many of these songs are covers of classic rock, rock n roll, etc.  Unless I go to the hassle of hauling up an amp from my basement and setting it up in my computer room, I am limited to using an acoustic for songs I will end up playing on an electric.  This might be a good solution for me.

Walkerman, I assume you have one?  How loud can it reasonably play and how long between battery changes?


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Walkerman on January 10, 2012, 05:54:32 PM
Walkerman, do you own one of those?I listened to the clips at the website...sounds about how you'd expect.

It does look like a nice solution for portability...not sure I'd want to use it on a regular basis in the man cave though...

Yes, me and my sons each have one.  No, it's not a practice amp, it's an amp you can use when you can't use a real one.  In a car, on the stoop (if you get my drift)...around the camp fire.

There's been some talk here of Randy Bachman..here's what he says...


I love the AMP-U-PLUG-N-PLAY”
Randy Bachman-formerly of:
Bachman-Turner-Overdrive
The Guess Who

I guess what I would call it is a personal amplifier.  You use it when you are writing, or kicked back on the couch and you want to play your electric and not your acoustic.  But, you are mainly playing for yourself.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: L07 Shooting Star on January 10, 2012, 07:03:37 PM
Any comments on battery life?


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Walkerman on January 10, 2012, 08:32:48 PM
Any comments on battery life?

They use a 9volt, and it lasts well, depends upon how much you play. Mine seems to last quit awhile.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: pabloX on January 10, 2012, 10:05:01 PM
Check out Art Nace's amps at http://www.naceamps.com/.  Last month I sold my Tweed Blues Jr. and got one of these honeys.  Check out the vids on his website, this amp reminds me a lot of a 60's Princeton that will overdrive and dirty up nicely at peak volumes.  Also, it is one of the quietest amps I've ever heard. 

Paul


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: TomRC on January 15, 2012, 12:57:28 AM
I saw a demo of an RS-4 played through a Laney VC-15 which sounded great. Any opinions on the Laney for a small "around the house" amp.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: BLTQ on March 20, 2012, 12:26:22 AM
Back in 1997 I too was dead set on getting a nice tube amp.  What did I end up buying?  A Tech 21 Trademark 60.  It's not a tube amp, but its tone is great and it's very versatile and it's plenty loud.  It currently resides in a closet because even turned down to 1.5-2 my wife will still ask that I turn it down.  So, for bedroom jamming my main amp is a little 15 watt Peavey Vypyr.  I bought that for $95 and swapped out the stock (POS) speaker with an Eminence Alpha 8-A ($45), and that little amp sounds amazing considering how little it cost.  I can't really speak to the best choice for a tube amp, since I've never had the pleasure of owning one.  They do have a certain magic that a SS amp will never fully emulate, but for me the added benefit simply wasn't worth the additional cost.  Back when I was in search of a great tube amp Mesa Boogie was near the top of the wishlist, so you might check a few of those out. Hope you find an amp that delivers what you're after.  Good Luck, and let us know what you end up with.  Bart


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: bacchus on March 20, 2012, 10:21:25 PM
Just an update, since I noticed new activity.  I have been playing around (as much as I can, which isn't a lot these days) with some amps and some modelers.  Though I am no where near finding the amp for me, I have learned a lot.

 I have taken the advice given here and played with as many amps as I could find, though I have only gotten to play a very small selection: some Vox's, Fenders, a Blackstar, an Egnater, etc...  To be honest, these were all very nice and each had something that I liked.  The ones that surprised me the most, however, were a Blackstar and the Vox AC15 and 30.  I found these to be nicely versatile and generally liked them a lot at high gain settings as well as clean. 

Side Note:  Test driving amps at my local music stores sucks.  There is an awful mixture of having to listen over other people's crap, forcing them to listen to your crap, and generally drawing the ire of the employees trying to sell you their crap.  I don't consider myself a particularly good player, so this is always an exercise in humility and embarassment.  Im sure this has been discussed since the beginning of time (as it pertains to instrument shopping), but I figured that I would throw my voice in the mix.

Anyway, I have also had a surprising amount of fun playing with the amp models included on my POD XT.  This models several different Mesa, Vox, Fender, Marshall, Orange, and other amps of all varieties.  Although I know that this is nowhere near the the real thing, it has done a lot to inform me about various types of amps: what I like, what I don't, and what general kinds of amps to keep an eye out for.  I don't know why I never did this.

Finally, I have really tried to squeeze the most out of my current amp, a hand-me-down Laney EA 120 2x12 acoustic / electric solid-state amp.  @TomRC - This isn't the greatest amp in the world, but honestly, for an acoustic/electric combo, it is pretty versatile and can sound pretty good when eq'd correctly.  Good (not great) clean, and a pretty beefy distortion.

So, until I get the RS-4, spend some time with it, and pick up a little cash; I think that I am happy to just get the most out of what I have and do some research about what I really want.  This is my plan.  As soon as the Forum V gets here though, all bets are off.  This can't happen soon enough since my current electric is on the outs.   :crying:

Thanks everyone for the input.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: SouthpawGuy on March 20, 2012, 11:56:24 PM
I have an AC30CCII, a Blues Jnr 60th Anniversary, and a Laney TT50.

All great amps but the one I use the most is a Super Champ XD. It's a fantastic little amp and loves pedals, plays very well at low volume levels and sounds good with any guitar or pickup I've used with it.

It was also the least expensive of the lot.

Don't have pictures of it with the RS-4, pictured with an SBG2000.

(http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh98/SouthpawGuy/Yamaha%20SBG2000/DSCF0947.jpg)

... any excuse  :nanadance


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: TomRC on March 21, 2012, 11:43:56 AM
This is the actual Laney I was considering (Laney VC-15) and would love to hear others input. From what I've read it seems like a great option for the $
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8_DXkCeIjA


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: PM33AUD on March 21, 2012, 01:05:23 PM
FWIW, I am an amp junkie.  I even got my ECE degree due to the fact that I love audio electronics so much.  Since I started tinkering and even making a few of my own over the years, I've honed in on some very interesting amps these days that I use regularly.

1)  Egnater Mod50.  This is one of the coolest amp concepts.  No matter what 'tone' you end up loving, it will change.  You'll get used to it and want something else.  Easy, just pop another module in it.  The amp also sounds absolutely great.

2)  Crate GX-212+.  This amp I also love.  It's 100 bux of the craig's list, all SS, and really supposed to just be an entry-level amp.  I don't care, I love it.  As a matter of fact, I would possibly use this over my Egnater if it sounded better at full volumes.  I may pick up a 2nd one and see how that compares in a live scenario.

Point is, there are really great sounding amps that are very cheap.  THe Egnater is 1500-2000 head, no cab.  The Crate is virtually free.  I wouldn't get too tied up in it.  If you play the right stuff, anything should sound great... especially with the RS4... my god, a helluva guitar.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: GGBB on March 21, 2012, 02:56:25 PM
Crate GX-212+
:+1:

I played a Crate GX-40D for many years - the same series but only 40W, 2x8" stereo.  It was an amazing little amp.  I have since moved on the another "Crate" - the V30 1x12 (v3112) - which, for those who don't know the amp, is from the last series of USA made Crates before they were taken over by LOUD.  I put Crate in quotes because the amp doesn't say Crate anywhere on it, just "V-Series Amplification".  It's a 30W class A tube amp and has something of a cult following.  Anyway, I digress...  In some ways I miss the GX - it had a really sweet, warm, clean sound that you wouldn't think was solid state.

I would highly recommend those older GX Crates and others like it - especially the USA made ones (they are from the period when Crate started making some things overseas - some GX models are not from the USA).  As PM33AUD said, they can be had for next to nothing.  Crate always gets a bum rap it seems, and I suppose they have put out some crap especially in later years, but these are seriously underrated IMO.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: PM33AUD on March 21, 2012, 04:12:39 PM
:+1:

I played a Crate GX-40D for many years - the same series but only 40W, 2x8" stereo.  It was an amazing little amp.  I have since moved on the another "Crate" - the V30 1x12 (v3112) - which, for those who don't know the amp, is from the last series of USA made Crates before they were taken over by LOUD.  I put Crate in quotes because the amp doesn't say Crate anywhere on it, just "V-Series Amplification".  It's a 30W class A tube amp and has something of a cult following.  Anyway, I digress...  In some ways I miss the GX - it had a really sweet, warm, clean sound that you wouldn't think was solid state.

I would highly recommend those older GX Crates and others like it - especially the USA made ones (they are from the period when Crate started making some things overseas - some GX models are not from the USA).  As PM33AUD said, they can be had for next to nothing.  Crate always gets a bum rap it seems, and I suppose they have put out some crap especially in later years, but these are seriously underrated IMO.

Exactly!  I thought I was the only one!   :laughin:  Imma grab a couple more of these when I see em pop up on CL.  The clean is indeed great and the harder rock stuff I do distortion is excellent as well.  Once you get over the whole name thing and aura Crate seems to have, it's a really awesome amp.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: GGBB on March 21, 2012, 06:50:33 PM
distortion is excellent as well

Very true also.  I don't know what specifically it entails design-wise, but the "FlexWave 5" technology they used in the distortion channels of some of the older amps really does sound quite good - like a really good distortion stompbox.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: MC13 on March 24, 2012, 03:19:23 PM
I hope this isn't a silly, naive question, but I have a couple acoustic amps, one of which is an older version of what I think is now the Ultrasound DS4.  The Ultrasound has a great clean sound, so in an effort to use the gear I have, is there anything technically wrong with running an electric through something like a Line 6 POD and channel it through the Ultrasound as a PA?  This is mostly for home use and playing with friends, so I'm not pushing the dials to 11.  The POD would have all the effects I would need, so it seems to make sense, but I'm not sure if ultimately running an electric through an acoustic amp is sacrilege, or at worst, damaging to any equipment.  The alternative for me is probably a SS modeling amp like something in the Mustang series. 

I just want to get the set-up right as I venture deeper into the world of electrics, so I appreciate anyone's input.
Matt


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Mikeymac on March 24, 2012, 04:11:25 PM
Matt,

As long as you hook up everything properly, you won't do any damage to your UltraSound amp, and as you said, it can work like a PA to amplify your POD models...should sound pretty good once you tweak everything.

The Fender Mustang amps get a lot of good press; so it sounds like you're on the right track there. If you want a tube amp, there are plenty of choices - new and used - and it really depends on your style of music and whether you will mostly use the amp for home use or need something for moderate to loud gigs (these days, not too many people really need a Twin Reverb or a Marshall stack!).


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: MC13 on March 26, 2012, 02:58:21 AM
Rev (I hope I can call you that).

Thanks for the reply, I appreciate it.  I definitely don't need the Marshall stack, but then again I am a guy and I do like gear!  I think I'm aiming for a POD (maybe 400) or I'll take a look at the new Fender Mustang Floor system.  This way I can either plug into an amp or right into my computer for composing and playing over material I like.  That should cover me for most of my needs of playing at home and on the odd occasion I play out. 

Out of curiosity, did you go for the Forum V?  I did, and it would be nice to know that there is another lefty...there aren't many of us so we need to stick together!
Matt


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Mikeymac on March 26, 2012, 02:12:29 PM
Rev (I hope I can call you that).

Out of curiosity, did you go for the Forum V?  I did, and it would be nice to know that there is another lefty...there aren't many of us so we need to stick together!
Matt

Sure, you can call me Rev ... lots of people in my church just call me "PM" for "Pastor Mike."  :winkin:

Unfortunately, I didn't get in on the Forum V.   :crying:  Just didn't think I could make the financial commitment right now. I'm trusting that Larrivee's electrics are going to stick around this time (compared to the late '80's when they only lasted for a few years...not really sure how long?). I've dreamed of getting an RS-4 goldtop with mini's someday... but the new Lancaster would fit a guitar "demographic" I don't have yet, a "super-strat" style with HSS pickups.

So we'll see what's next...


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Mikeymac on March 26, 2012, 02:50:18 PM
Back on the topic (of amps)...

I'm now "down to" three tube amps, and a couple SS amps (and one SS bass amp which is seldom used - it's out on loan right now).

1) Carr Rambler 2x10 - This is a great amp - kind of a beefed up Fender Deluxe Reverb, which takes it way beyond the DR. It's 28/14 watts switchable (I usually keep it on 14), unlike the DR it has a mid tone control - VERY USEFUL, plus trem and reverb. The 2 10" speakers help spread out the sound. Takes boost and OD pedals wonderfully, and is built like a tank. I've had this amp for around 5 years now, and it's kept me from gassin' for much else. It stays on the platform at church most the the time with a mic in front of it for our praise band.

2) Gibson Goldtone GA15-RV - another great amp; if you can find one of these, BUY IT. I should add one caveat to that; early ones had problems with the tube sockets, mine's a later one with that issue addressed. 15/5 watts (I use it most of the time at home on the 5w/triode setting); 12" Celestion V30, which I've recently replaced with a GWS Reaper - still not sure if it will stay or the V-30 will go back in (the Reaper tames the highs a little). This simple amp has 3 knobs on the back: Volume, Tone, Reverb. Plus a "Normal/Bright" switch, the Triode/Pentode switch, and a plug in for a reverb fs. The only downside some people see in this amp is that the controls on are the back by the floor, but this is really a "set it and forget it" amp; you can control volume & tone nicely from your guitar. Just a wonderful sounding amp (1,000 times better than a Fender Blues Jr. to my ears - I sold mine after comparing the two), and also - if you get a later one - bullet proof. I plug into this one a lot at home..

3) This is my frankenstein. It's an old Peavey Classic 50 head (came out of a Classic Blues 1x15 amp that they only made for a couple years in the mid-90's!). It's in a Trutone Custom cab (made by Rob Hebert in Louisiana) that holds 2 10" Reverend All-Tone 1025 speakers. I didn't want a huge 410 amp to lug around, and I like a 210 setup, and this works well. I recently put in a new Accutronics 3-spring reverb tank, and it has much better reverb now than the stock Classic amps. The Reverend speakers are GOLD, and give a nice high end shimmer, even to these EL84 tube amps. Sometimes I think I could sell my Carr and be happy with this amp, but I know myself pretty well - I'd be gassin' for something else real soon (like a Dr Z MAZ18... there, I said it!).

These three amps provide some variety and the ability to be pretty mobile (the GA15-RV) or have more volume and beef (the Carr & the Peavey). And gettting rid of some others is helping keep man-land uncluttered (at least ... I have room for more GUITARS!!!).

The one SS amp that gets some use is a Vox Pathfinder 15R that I keep upstairs in my home office (where I also have a couple guitars hanging on the wall, just in case I need to play something or get inspired!). I couldn't leave it alone, so I replaced the speaker in the Vox with a Jensen...sounds a little bigger, but the stock speaker wasn't to bad for the price point. The other is an old Peavey Envoy with a bad input; I robbed the reverb cables out of it to fix up the Classic 50 above...it sits in the closet most of the time.

ALL of my Larrivee's sound great through ALL the above amps!

(Pics of the Trutone Custom - sorry: I need to take some better pics!)

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Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Barefoot Rob on March 26, 2012, 03:03:45 PM
I had one of those Peavey's with the 15" speaker I can't remember its modal name,anyway it was a cool amp and I think its still available.The one I used wa 35 watts and Tele's sound great played thru a 15" speaker is amazing nice sounding.I also add that I owned a great solid state amp for a while with a 15 in it,again I can't remember the modal.It was an Evans though pricey new used not so much.Better know by jazz players it was a very flexable amp.They make smaller modals and I'm not sure how available they are but I thought I'd mention them.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Mikeymac on March 26, 2012, 03:15:50 PM
Don't have pictures of it with the RS-4, pictured with an SBG2000.

(http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh98/SouthpawGuy/Yamaha%20SBG2000/DSCF0947.jpg)

Southpaw Guy,

Where O where did you find a lefty like that!?!?!?!?   :drool:  :arrow

I WANT ONE!!!

I've looked for something like that for years, couldn't find one (currently looking into an SG Standard...).

Please do tell...thanks!


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Mikeymac on March 26, 2012, 03:19:57 PM
I had one of those Peavey's with the 15" speaker I can't remember its modal name,anyway it was a cool amp and I think its still available.The one I used wa 35 watts and Tele's sound great played thru a 15" speaker is amazing nice sounding.I also add that I owned a great solid state amp for a while with a 15 in it,again I can't remember the modal.It was an Evans though pricey new used not so much.Better know by jazz players it was a very flexable amp.They make smaller modals and I'm not sure how available they are but I thought I'd mention them.
unclrob,

You're referring to the Peavey Delta Blues 115, and yes, it's still made (Peavey also makes a Delta Blues with 2 10's from time to time). Two channels, 30 watts (four EL84 power tubes), reverb and two-knob tremolo. Footswitch changes channels and turns trem on/off. These amps have a button on them - called "boost" - that most people don't bother with. But if you're playing out, you can turn on the boost, turn your treble tone all the way up, and bass and mid contols all the way down, and it's a very useful gigging tone! It absolutely transforms the amp, especially the drive channel.

This amp had the Classic 50 head, and a 15" speaker in the cab that they use for their Classic 50/410. And it was called the "Blues Classic". There weren't a lot of them made - I've seen and played a couple. Very cool amp, as you can imagine; Peavey really ought to reconsider reissuing this one.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Mikeymac on March 26, 2012, 03:27:39 PM

Side Note:   Test driving amps at my local music stores sucks.  There is an awful mixture of having to listen over other people's crap, forcing them to listen to your crap, and generally drawing the ire of the employees trying to sell you their crap.  I don't consider myself a particularly good player, so this is always an exercise in humility and embarassment.  Im sure this has been discussed since the beginning of time (as it pertains to instrument shopping), but I figured that I would throw my voice in the mix.

This is SO TRUE! I consider myself an intermediate player, and I'm not embarrassed to play in a store (most of the time), but it's still a hassle trying to really hear and experience an amp in that setting. Very frustrating!

On another 'note'  :rolleye: another amp that's coming out in a few months that has me intrigued (speaking of 15" speakers, unclrob) is the Fender Excelsior. It's release date is supposed to be April 20, 2012 (according to Musician's Friend).

Thirteen watts (two 6V6 power tubes) into a 15" speaker, volume control, tremolo control and a bright switch, that's it! This will be Made in China, no doubt, but it's a very interesting package - a fairly low watt amp with a big speaker and an old fashioned trem effect...and an old fashioned "radio style" cabinet...perfect for the corner of your living room! Price at MF is $299 - that's pretty easy on the wallet.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/amplifiers-effects/fender-pawn-shop-special-excelsior-13w-1x15-tube-guitar-combo-amp


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Barefoot Rob on March 26, 2012, 03:42:13 PM
Rev thanks my ability to remember things isn't what it use to be.As for the Fender looks cool but I'm set on amps as I just don't play much electric these days.I have a 72 Fender Princeton Reverb 12 watts and a 10" Jenson reissue speaker a Fender Champ 12 with an old reconed Celestion 12" and I'm using a GK Backline 250 head with a 12" bass speaker in an old Peavey 112 extention cab which went with my Peavey Classic 30.I do miss playing thru a single 15" for both guitar and bass but I'm old and have a bad back. :bgrin:


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: SouthpawGuy on March 26, 2012, 09:09:12 PM
Southpaw Guy,

Where O where did you find a lefty like that!?!?!?!?   :drool:  :arrow

I WANT ONE!!!

I've looked for something like that for years, couldn't find one (currently looking into an SG Standard...).

Please do tell...thanks!

Not wishing to derail this thread I'l start a new one with more pics ...


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: rockstar_not on March 26, 2012, 09:24:53 PM
Well, wading in here even though I don't have and RS-4 (I'll take one, however!)

This is a relatively newcomer to the guitar amp market.  I just like the packaging and YouTube sound demos (which are a terrible way to audition an amp IMO).

http://www.ztamplifiers.com/products/

Anyone tried these yet?


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Mikeymac on March 27, 2012, 12:06:41 AM

This is a relatively newcomer to the guitar amp market.  I just like the packaging and YouTube sound demos (which are a terrible way to audition an amp IMO).

http://www.ztamplifiers.com/products/

Anyone tried these yet?

Actually, I just tried one about a month ago. It does have impressive volume, but I found it tiring to my ears. There's more bass that should be on tap for a 6.5" speaker, but I actually found I prefer the tone of my Pathfinder 15R (8" speaker), even though it probably doesn't get as loud. When I plugged the ZT Lunchbox into a 210 cab, I actually like that less than the ZT's internal speaker. 

The ZT Lunchboz only has one tone control; the larger version with the 12" speaker has the full T-M-B tone section, but it's also a lot bigger and a lot more money. There's not a lot of actual overdrive distortion on tap; to get anything usable, in my opinion, you need to use a stompbox, but those work pretty well with the amp.

It does make a lot of volume, and it's pretty focused, so in a band situation with a bass player, it might actually be okay, but most decent tube amps don't have to worry. I sent it back after trying it out for a couple days - and mine was a "used" one from MF that was $235, I think. Didn't think it was worth keeping; someone else might really like it.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: pete12string on May 22, 2012, 10:03:43 PM
For a cheap bang around amp, I bought a Jet City 20 head and 1-12" bottom for about $300 new.  I also have a Dr. Z Galaxie that ran me over $1500, but the Jet City is not bad.  With the preamp and master volume, you can get lots of dirt but still be at relatively low volume.  There are a ton of amps out there today that are good "at home" choices.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on May 23, 2012, 04:12:04 AM
For a cheap bang around amp, I bought a Jet City 20 head and 1-12" bottom
Luv my Jet City!!!!!!


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Frasier1 on May 24, 2012, 12:46:09 AM
What do you guys know about a Fender Deville 2x12?   Also the VOX AC30.   These are listed in my local Craigslist and will be needing something for the F-V.

Thanks for any input!

 :wave :wave


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on May 24, 2012, 12:55:04 AM
What do you guys know about a Fender Deville 2x12?   Also the VOX AC30.   These are listed in my local Craigslist and will be needing something for the F-V.


A lot of amp there Friend, need something as big as those :?


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Frasier1 on May 24, 2012, 01:14:20 AM
A lot of amp there Friend, need something as big as those :?



Probably not, I just figure I could get it for about the same price as other decent amps without having to pay for shipping.  I was just looking at your Jet City Amps you had mentioned and it is probably more of what I need, but after I paid for shipping I would probably be better off buying the Fender. 

Right now I'm shopping and just trying to find something decent!


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: TomRC on May 24, 2012, 01:37:43 AM
I recently stumbled into a Fender Superchamp XD (the older version) and snatched it up. Now I know why it is so highly recommended. Wow…..what a great little amp for the money.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Frasier1 on May 24, 2012, 02:59:13 AM
I recently stumbled into a Fender Superchamp XD (the older version) and snatched it up. Now I know why it is so highly recommended. Wow…..what a great little amp for the money.



That Fender Superchamp XD looks like a nice little unit that would be perfect.  But again after shipping to Alaska it comes out close to the Fender Deville that is local.  Decisions Decisions!   :cheers


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Mikeymac on May 24, 2012, 04:23:37 PM

That Fender Superchamp XD looks like a nice little unit that would be perfect.  But again after shipping to Alaska it comes out close to the Fender Deville that is local.  Decisions Decisions!   :cheers

Y'know, there's something to be said for "buying locally, living globally" or something like that. Suport your local economy and recycle and reuse something from your own neighborhood. IF you can carry those amps around (they're both pretty heavy), they will both sound good.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: bacchus on June 07, 2012, 03:51:31 PM
So my dad directed me towards the Vox Night train. Does anyone here have any experience with it?  The stuff I have seen on youtube has piqued my interest.  I like that it has some nice Voxy chime with a bit more gain than, say, an AC15.  The price looks pretty good too.

Also, I am here to do the monthly wake up in the electric section.  :whistling: 


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: PM33AUD on June 11, 2012, 05:45:03 AM
So my dad directed me towards the Vox Night train. Does anyone here have any experience with it?  The stuff I have seen on youtube has piqued my interest.  I like that it has some nice Voxy chime with a bit more gain than, say, an AC15.  The price looks pretty good too.

Also, I am here to do the monthly wake up in the electric section.  :whistling: 

As I mentioned in the other thread, I am in with the AC30.  I also played an AC15 with the RS-4 and both of these amps are awesome.  The night train I have only heard a friend's band using... sounded good although it was at a crappy bar and the guitar volume was a little low in the mix.

Either way, be sure to check out the AC15 and if you really need the volume (and that's an emphasized 'really'), the AC30.  The problem with the AC30 is that you need to have an attenuator in a lot of cases.  I was surprised at how loud it was and it's not one of those amps you can kinda turn down and have it sound like you want...  That being said, it's super fun to play, sounds great, and relatively easy to control once you get how it wants to work... I'd really recommend smashing it in the face with a boost (most OD pedal will work or a booster); it eats em up.  Also, I plugged mine into a bunch of different cabs - makes a huge difference as well... I need more tight so I ended up on my 4x12 with V30s.  The Greenbacks and the Wharfdales were a little too blues/rock for what I need.  Didn't even bother with the Blues...  depends on what your after.  Oh, and it doubles as a frying pan or as I've been finding out, a beer warmer  :mad:


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: bacchus on June 11, 2012, 04:41:05 PM
As I mentioned in the other thread, I am in with the AC30.  I also played an AC15 with the RS-4 and both of these amps are awesome.  The night train I have only heard a friend's band using... sounded good although it was at a crappy bar and the guitar volume was a little low in the mix.

Either way, be sure to check out the AC15 and if you really need the volume (and that's an emphasized 'really'), the AC30.


 ... I need more tight so I ended up on my 4x12 with V30s. 


I totally intend to give the ac15 a good go.  These seem like they are right in line with what i want.  My only issue is in high gain settings.  I have been using an ac15 (line6 digital modeler) that i have really been liking, but once i get into fairly gainy territory it kind of gets flubby and starts to break down.  Im sure a lot of that is just that i am using a digital model and not the real deal, so i need to go spend some quality time with the real thing.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: PM33AUD on June 12, 2012, 04:33:12 AM
I been playing hard prog rock/metal with my AC30 so unless you're doing death metal or something even heavier (?), I highly doubt you'd need more gain.  I wouldn't recommend the combos for heavier, tighter stuff.  They can get PLENTY of gain with the right pedals.  Like I said, boost the hell out of the input... that's where all the leprechauns hide.   If you don't want flub, you might need a more 'substantial' cabinet... at least this is what I've discovered from testing (probably mostly due to the open/closed back differences I'm guessing).

I thinks you need a demo video of the RS-4 with the AC30... maybe it give you some idearss.   :doh

Phil



Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: bacchus on June 12, 2012, 01:52:02 PM
I been playing hard prog rock/metal with my AC30 so unless you're doing death metal or something even heavier (?), I highly doubt you'd need more gain.  I wouldn't recommend the combos for heavier, tighter stuff.  They can get PLENTY of gain with the right pedals.  Like I said, boost the hell out of the input... that's where all the leprechauns hide.   If you don't want flub, you might need a more 'substantial' cabinet... at least this is what I've discovered from testing (probably mostly due to the open/closed back differences I'm guessing).

I thinks you need a demo video of the RS-4 with the AC30... maybe it give you some idearss.   :doh

Phil



Good to know, I don't have any pedals or anything so haven't been able to try that out.  I have been playing acoustic pretty exclusively for the last 5 - 6 years, so my electric chops and gear are lacking right now.  

I have a pretty wide variety of music that I am into from blues, beatles and radiohead to tool, opeth, porcupine tree and really everything in between.  If I could cover all of that ground, I would be thrilled.  Of course I know that I will have to make some sacrifices, for example, I could probably hit about 85% of opeth stuff, but they can get pretty heavy, and I don't expect to get all the way there.  That is OK.

I would LOVE to see a video of an RS-4 with an AC30.  That would be great to tide me over until I have an RS-4 of my own and can try some amps out.  I would definitely appreciate it.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: bacchus on July 18, 2012, 10:39:32 PM
So I may have just come into an amp.  I went a little over budget, but I got a pretty good deal on a used Morgan DAG15.  Ill post about my experiences when it arrives.  Now to wait for the FV...


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on July 18, 2012, 10:53:32 PM
Here good things of the Morgan dag15 but have never played one. Looking forward to hearing your impressions.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: ducktrapper on July 19, 2012, 02:11:19 AM
I sold my Fender Blues Deluxe when I got these. Mackamps' HS-18 Heatseeker and a 4/.4 watt Gem with a 1x12 cab containing a 12" Eminence Red Coat Wizard. Great stuff!

(http://thumb7.webshots.net/t/90/90/7/11/87/2766711870036382107wpxVFh_th.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2766711870036382107wpxVFh)


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: SouthpawGuy on July 19, 2012, 10:27:45 AM
And a shot of the RS-4 with the Blues Jnr.

(http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh98/SouthpawGuy/Larrivee%20RS-4/DSCF0886.jpg)

Any excuse !

Plays great at very low volumes. I don't use the amps overdrive, I set it for the clean tone required and then use pedals for od. Mine is a tweed model with a Jensen speaker from 2006, an anniversary model. I was looking for a regular Blues Jnr at the time but there were none in stock  and as this one had been in stock for quite some time I got a great deal on it. 

One more for good measure ...

(http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh98/SouthpawGuy/Larrivee%20RS-4/DSCF0892.jpg)


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: bacchus on July 19, 2012, 01:31:58 PM
Cool stuff everyone!  I feel left out not having my electric yet.  :crying:

Here good things of the Morgan dag15 but have never played one. Looking forward to hearing your impressions.

I will absolutely update with what I think about it.

I have been really liking the idea of a Vox (ac15) for a while.  That turned into serious consideration for a VoxAC15hw.  Then I saw the Morgan for not much more, liked the idea of a one man "boutique" (I kind of hate using this word), loved the tones I was hearing in the videos and demos, and decided to give it a try.  I figure at the price I got it, I could probably sell it for little to no loss if, for some reason, I don't like it.

Anyway, I am super pumped to have a new amp coming, and I assume very soon, a sweet new guitar.

 :cheers


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Mikeymac on July 19, 2012, 02:03:03 PM
And a shot of the RS-4 with the Blues Jnr.

(http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh98/SouthpawGuy/Larrivee%20RS-4/DSCF0886.jpg)

Another RS-4 owner who wraps the strings over the top of the stoptail piece...love it! (I do it on my RS-4 and my SG Standard.)


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: ducktrapper on July 19, 2012, 06:28:09 PM
I just put them straight through from the back of the stop tailpiece on my RS-4. I have a little copy of a Les Paul Jr. that I wrap strings around like that but why would you do it that way when you have a tun-o-matic bridge? Just curious. 


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Mikeymac on July 19, 2012, 06:42:28 PM
So ... as mentioned earlier, I've been totally satisfied with my Carr Rambler for around five years...that's the longest I've gone without buying a new piece of gear EVER!

But I've already confessed on here that I've been lusting (there, I said it) after a Dr Z Maz18 Jr NR head (no reverb). I ordered one a few months ago, and it should be here any day now (it's already a week or two late). The store where I ordered it got a red one in last week; I ordered a black one, so still waiting!

I sat down and played the red one for awhile again - dang, they're just very nice sounding amps. I don't use reverb (much) when playing live, so I saved around $150-200 getting the non-reverb version, and according to Mike Zaite, adding the reverb changes the gain structure somewhat.

It will be interesting to put it next to the Carr and compare the two...I will probably decide to keep only one - so unless I really favor the Maz 18, it will go back, giving me a very healthy down payment on a custom Larrivee C-09 I have in mind...

...and that's not all...  :ohmy:


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Mikeymac on July 19, 2012, 06:51:20 PM
...no, that's not all...  :ohmy:

Back in February or so, I also ordered an Ethos Overdrive Amp (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFpmAMzKv_E&feature=related) which is a 30 watt version of their Ethos Overdrive Pedal (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4qseEI6_8lA).

This is supposed to be a Dumble-replicating tone machine, and all the You Tube demos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FViYrv3cEcs&feature=related) I've seen have been impressive (in the right hands).

Well, it wasn't supposed to be finished until November or so, but they said they were ramping up production and it might be ready earlier. Yeah, like NOW, the same week as my Maz18 is supposed to be ready! Yikes!

So I just mailed payment for the Ethos, and again, if it's everything they say it can be, it will be silly for me to have the Carr, the Dr Z and one of these Ethos pedals - just can't justify all that horsepower!

Tone reports coming soon (I'll probaby have the Ethos by around August 1; the Maz 18 should be here 'yesterday'!).


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Mikeymac on July 19, 2012, 06:54:41 PM
I just put them straight through from the back of the stop tailpiece on my RS-4. I have a little copy of a Les Paul Jr. that I wrap strings around like that but why would you do it that way when you have a tun-o-matic bridge? Just curious. 
duck,

Most people do it so that they can keep the tailpiece all the way down on the body (for better vibration/tone transfer) but not have the strings catching on the backside of the tune-o-matic bridge before they go over the saddles - both to avoid tuning and buzzing/wrattling issues. Some folks also claim that the extra string length from wrapping them over lowers the tension somewhat, making them easier to bend.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: ducktrapper on July 19, 2012, 07:03:41 PM
duck,

Most people do it so that they can keep the tailpiece all the way down on the body (for better vibration/tone transfer) but not have the strings catching on the backside of the tune-o-matic bridge before they go over the saddles - both to avoid tuning and buzzing/wrattling issues. Some folks also claim that the extra string length from wrapping them over lowers the tension somewhat, making them easier to bend.

Never occurred to me but what the heck, it can't hurt. I'll try it. I just bought four sets of strings today, as a matter of fact. Half price sale at the local music store! Four sets of Elixirs for $36.00.   


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: bacchus on July 26, 2012, 08:40:38 PM
So I got my Morgan.  For anyone interested, here is a repost of my NAD thread on another forum.

As my title says, this is my first new(ish) amp day. I have been on the lookout for a new amp to go with my incoming Larrivee RS-4 - "Forum V". I have been really digging the Vox sound lately and had all but made up my mind on an AC15 or AC15HW1. Then I started to notice the praise generally heaped upon Morgan amps and did some research. This was either a great idea or a very bad one, Im leaning towards great. Anyway, long story short, I noticed one for sale in the emporium and decided to go for it. I dont know if the forum member that sold it wants to be outed or not (I am not really sure about the etiquette here), but the transaction was incredibly smooth and all I can say is that I am VERY satisfied with the results.

I have been playing on an old hand-me-down of a hand-me-down solid state Laney amp with a 200$ LTD Viper for years. The first thing I noticed when I plugged into the Morgan was that I dont actually suck as bad as I thought. There is SO much more clarity, response, and musicality; there is so much more of everything good. I love everything from clean to scream, and it does both in spades, much better than expected. Even with my cheap guitar with stock pickups and a wonky neck, this thing sounds like a million bucks. I cant wait to get my new awesome guitar to go with this awesome amp. The only problem is that I wont have any more excuses for sounding like crap.

Now, I know pics are generally a requirement on these threads, so I will post what I have. Sadly, I only have one picture that was taken right before unplugging due to a horrendous thunder and lightening storm that happened less than an hour after receiving this amp. If there is any interest, I can take a few more and upload them when I get home tonight. Anyway, here goes:

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8142/7650570228_8e4b21b994_z.jpg)


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on July 26, 2012, 09:07:05 PM



If there is any interest, I can take a few more and upload them when I get home tonight. Anyway, here goes:


:+1:


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: SouthpawGuy on July 26, 2012, 10:21:11 PM
Looks good ! What ( watt  :tongue:) output power is it ? As for Laney amps I had one briefly in the '80s, it was a pile of poop, and that's being polite  :roll

Put me off the brand for a long time, until that is I plugged into a recent TT50 all valve combo and was very impressed, that one followed me home !


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: bacchus on July 26, 2012, 10:46:48 PM
Looks good ! What ( watt  :tongue:) output power is it ? As for Laney amps I had one briefly in the '80s, it was a pile of poop, and that's being polite  :roll

Put me off the brand for a long time, until that is I plugged into a recent TT50 all valve combo and was very impressed, that one followed me home !


This guy is a 15 watt'er.  A loud 15 watts, but with a sweet output scaling feature.  Otherwise this thing is dead simple: volume(gain), treble, bass, cut, bright switch, and output.  Nothing but sweet tones thoughout.

I've honestly got nothing against Laney, I've heard some good stuff from them.  This guy was pretty old and well used, and from what I understand, it probably needed a new ... Everything.  It was also an acoustic and electric  multi channel amp.  So I don't really think it excelled as an electric amp.  Nonetheless, I still sounded like trash on it :-)

I am very happy with the Morgan.  I'll post some more pics later.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on July 26, 2012, 11:31:56 PM
Josh from Guitars of Pikesville (http://www.guitarsofpikesville.com/) is seen HERE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8_DXkCeIjA) running an RS-4 thru a Laney. Sounds not too bad  :smile:

Josh apologizes for not having an electric player around for the demo  :laughin:

Anyway you be da judge  :ohmy:

 :tongue:


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: bacchus on July 30, 2012, 10:34:37 PM
I said that I would upload a couple more pics of my new amp, in case anyone cares, so here you go.  I am, by the way, still loving this thing.  It just has so freaking much character. 

Anyway:

Looking good from the front
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8026/7679966274_21fd1899a0.jpg)

Here are some pictures, taken by the seller, of the insides.  Beautiful work.
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8424/7679964992_fde8544a4b.jpg)

And...
(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8281/7679991342_590580687c.jpg)

And good times were had by all (except for my dog, nothing but bad times for him...)  :cheers

Cameron


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Mikeymac on August 25, 2012, 05:20:16 AM
I've been very happy with my latest "amp" purchase (I put "amp" in quotes because some folks would question whether this thing is a *real* amp): an Ethos Overdrive Amp. You can check out the website here (http://www.customtonesinc.com/). You can hear an excellent demo of it here on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFpmAMzKv_E&feature=related).

I tried it through some of my own amp's speakers, and also tried it through some other cabs ... I ended up bringing home a Dr. Z 2x12 cab that just sounds beautiful (rich, full, sparkly, punchy, dynamic) with the Ethos. Not a cheap cab, but it sounded so good, I went for it.

I had also ordered a Dr. Z Maz18 head, which came in a couple weeks ago. It sounds incredible, but it's so LOUD (even at 18 watts) that I just couldn't use it at home without bothering everyone (if I wanted to find some decent tones). So the head went back, and I kept the Ethos (and bought the Z cab) - the Ethos is THAT GOOD.

I've already used the Ethos as my amp on one gig (with one of my old amp's 2x10 speakers); I'm using it with the Dr. Z cab for worship this Sunday and then a gig Sunday afternoon.

A couple more quick comments: the Ethos has two channels, Clean and Drive (it can also be bypassed). The Drive channel also has a Boost button for soloing. I've got the Drive channel set up so that it sounds very similar to the Clean channel when I play lightly, then when I dig into it, it has a nice edge to it...very tube-like. The boost works perfect with the volume rolled off just slightly - on full boost it's more than I need with most of my guitars.

It sounds good with other pedals running into it, including other drive pedals. I've used a Wampler Paisley Drive with it and my Fulldrive 2. Both can provide some different overdrive flavors.

Also, the Ethos can be used as an amp to drive a cab, or it can be put in front of your amp as a pedal, or it can be run direct to your PA (or into a computer) to simulate an amp, OR you can do TWO OR MORE of these options simultaneously - very versatile and practical. 

It's so good, I've thought about selling my Carr Rambler...I won't do anything hasty, but I'm seriously considering it.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: jojo123 on August 26, 2012, 03:39:59 AM
I've been very happy with my latest "amp" purchase (I put "amp" in quotes because some folks would question whether this thing is a *real* amp): an Ethos Overdrive Amp. You can check out the website here (http://www.customtonesinc.com/). You can hear an excellent demo of it here on YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFpmAMzKv_E&feature=related).

I tried it through some of my own amp's speakers, and also tried it through some other cabs ... I ended up bringing home a Dr. Z 2x12 cab that just sounds beautiful (rich, full, sparkly, punchy, dynamic) with the Ethos. Not a cheap cab, but it sounded so good, I went for it.

I had also ordered a Dr. Z Maz18 head, which came in a couple weeks ago. It sounds incredible, but it's so LOUD (even at 18 watts) that I just couldn't use it at home without bothering everyone (if I wanted to find some decent tones). So the head went back, and I kept the Ethos (and bought the Z cab) - the Ethos is THAT GOOD.

I've already used the Ethos as my amp on one gig (with one of my old amp's 2x10 speakers); I'm using it with the Dr. Z cab for worship this Sunday and then a gig Sunday afternoon.

A couple more quick comments: the Ethos has two channels, Clean and Drive (it can also be bypassed). The Drive channel also has a Boost button for soloing. I've got the Drive channel set up so that it sounds very similar to the Clean channel when I play lightly, then when I dig into it, it has a nice edge to it...very tube-like. The boost works perfect with the volume rolled off just slightly - on full boost it's more than I need with most of my guitars.

It sounds good with other pedals running into it, including other drive pedals. I've used a Wampler Paisley Drive with it and my Fulldrive 2. Both can provide some different overdrive flavors.

Also, the Ethos can be used as an amp to drive a cab, or it can be put in front of your amp as a pedal, or it can be run direct to your PA (or into a computer) to simulate an amp, OR you can do TWO OR MORE of these options simultaneously - very versatile and practical. 

It's so good, I've thought about selling my Carr Rambler...I won't do anything hasty, but I'm seriously considering it.

Thanks for the write-up on the Ethos "amp."  It sounds really impressive.   :thumb  Can it do decent high gain / distortion at fairly low volumes?  (I have basement studio and can't get real loud).  Was there a long wait time?  thanks.


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on August 26, 2012, 12:33:30 PM

I've already used the Ethos as my amp on one gig (with one of my old amp's 2x10 speakers); I'm using it with the Dr. Z cab for worship this Sunday and then a gig Sunday afternoon.


So how did it fair  :?


It's so good, I've thought about selling my Carr Rambler...I won't do anything hasty, but I'm seriously considering it.
Any trips to Nova Scotia I will take that ol thing off your hands :bgrin:


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Mikeymac on August 27, 2012, 03:43:19 PM
Thanks for the write-up on the Ethos "amp."  It sounds really impressive.   :thumb  Can it do decent high gain / distortion at fairly low volumes?  (I have basement studio and can't get real loud).  Was there a long wait time?  thanks.

I would say it's not really designed for that purpose...but that depends on what you consider "decent" high gain sounds. I'd suggest finding a pedal that will do that for you (for a lot less money than either the standard Ethos Overdrive pedal or the Overdrive Amp).

JMHO.  :smile:


Title: Re: Amps for an RS-4
Post by: Mikeymac on August 27, 2012, 03:53:08 PM
So how did it fair  :?

Worked fantastic!

I'm still amazed at the depth of "tube-like" tone that this pedal produces, and the volume that's coming from this power source (I'm assuming it's something like a class D power amp, which I believe was used in the Crate Powerblock amp a few years ago). It's rated at around 30 watts; he says the volume should compare with a Fender Deluxe Reverb amp (around 22 tube watts).

But it just sounded excellent through the Z cab, and it takes other pedals really well for different kinds of overdrive. My Paisley Drive provides some nice gritty tones, and the Fulltone Fulldrive 2 offers some different textures and high gain options. The Ethos itself has a nice gain boost on it for solos ... I usually turn back the guitar volume just a hair when using the boost...during most of our set, I also kept my volume backed off to around 8 so that I could turn up for some dynamics from time to time. 

So I have it sent up for regular volume levels on the clean and drive channels with the guitar (in this case a Warmoth Strat) set to around 8 on the volume.

As I've said, I decided to keep this over a Maz18 head, which sounded great, but the volume was just overwhelming. (I also mic'd the Z cab for both worship and the band performance that afternoon - much better spread of guitar sounds and balance of tone. Several members of the band wear in-ear monitors, the others - like me and the lead singer - use a floor monitor.)