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Title: 1st Electric
Post by: Penceler on August 02, 2011, 12:28:03 AM
So after 30 years of playing acoustics (mostly Martin, Larrivee and Ovation) I'm seriously considering an RS-2.  Part of it is just to do something different, Part of it is to play the easy action of an electric.  It will be my first electric.  I play pretty much any genre of music that catches my fancy from mid range rock to jazz.  I picked up a fender mustang amp a few weeks ago - it should make for a nice practice amp.  Any thoughts on Larrivee electrics in general and of course, the RS2 in particular.   Please don't talk too technical or I'll be lost immediately!

John


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: Strings4Him on August 02, 2011, 12:40:59 AM
Hi John,

 :welcome:  Have you considered the new Tele-style that Larrive just came out with?


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: Penceler on August 02, 2011, 12:49:22 AM
I have not - why would you recommend it over the rs2?  What's drawing me to the rs is versatility, a neck I'm somewhat familiar with, price and a very simple and clean look.  Having said that, you almost certainly know better.

John


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on August 02, 2011, 01:19:50 AM
Any thoughts on Larrivee electrics in general and of course, the RS2 in particular.   Please don't talk too technical or I'll be lost immediately!


Hi John The Larrivee Electrics are top shelf with a medium price tag. The craftmanship and hardware parts that go in them are 2nd to none Boutique quality craftmanship, pickups and internal electrical parts that you only see on the very high end electrics. Difficult to beat the value of an RS 2 but the beauty bling and tone of an RS 4 is where my heart is. The new Tele Style ( Larrivee Bakersfield) looks like it will be a typical Larrivee electric - Superior craftmanship with the highest end parts. What this guitar may also offer you is that might be an easier starter electric tthan the RS models might be - that depends on the person but generally speaking that is true.

Now for the world it opens up for you and your playing is like learning a 2nd language - so much for you to look forward to and have fun with.

Let us know what you decide and keep us posted on your progress


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: Penceler on August 02, 2011, 01:37:11 AM
Thanks - so help me out here.  Why would you consider one an easier 1st electric over the other?

John


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: abalone at last on August 02, 2011, 02:36:10 AM
ya, why would it be easier? i say go for the RS 2 ,,,with hummers!! or the big single coils if thats your voice.


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: nuncle on August 02, 2011, 04:12:18 AM
You might want to check out the Larry version of a Tele--looks like a no frills, down to business guitar. (Single coil pickups  are very use friendly, too.) The basic Tele design makes for the most versatile electric  guitar, according to  some pretty top-notch players.     Believe it or not, a lot of jazzy folks play Tele-type guitars. I'm no ace picker or nuttin', but I like 'em and the pics I've seen of the Larry version look mighty damn tempting.  


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: Mikeymac on August 02, 2011, 04:49:22 AM
The only "problem" with the Bakersfield suggestion is that it will cost about $600 more than the RS-2. Both have single coils, so both will have some hum issues. The RS-2 has four controls versus the B's two controls - personal preference.

There are first generation RS-2's still out there, and one of these would solve the hum issue, and for a first guitar, this is what I would recommend over the P-90's. P-90's require some technique to really master, in my experience - humbuckers are more forgiving (and P-90's are the only pickup offered in the 2nd generation RS-2/Ventura). The Larrivee humbuckers are very versatile pickups...and the old RS-2 is a great guitar and a great value.

First generation RS-2's (with humbuckers) might be $100-200 more than the newer ones, but I think they're still a great value. Check out Guitar Adoptions website (www.guitaradoptions.com - no affiliation, just a great dealer with great prices); he still has several of the older RS-2's w/humbuckers.

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Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: tulk1 on August 02, 2011, 11:33:00 AM
I play an earlier model RS2 as my main guitar ... right now. Those HBs will surprise you, no doubt. Turn 'em up and get some nasty on. Back 'em off and they clean up, can get sparkly if you want. Plus, no hum.

A Tele-esque, to me, is not the first electric guitar you should have. Well, not just you, but people in general. Tele's have a tendency to fight you. And the harder you fight them the harder they fight back until one masters the other. Think of it as breaking in a wild horse! Once it's saddle broke, well then all is fine with the world. But until then ......... well, breaking them in is half the fun.

I think your idea of an RS2 is spot on. Versatile guitar, easy to play. Would be a great way to get into electric guitar. And they are an even better deal used, if you can go that way.


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: BLTQ on August 02, 2011, 12:36:24 PM
I've had my RS-2 (mine's really a cross between a RS-2 and RS-4) just over a month.  While it's far from my first electric I truly believe it will likely be my last.  I am THAT pleased with it.  There are tons of guitars to choose from, but I finally found the one that I've been after all these years.  It is inspiring me to work hard to become a player worthy of playing it. 


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on August 02, 2011, 12:57:37 PM
Hard to debate the simplicity of Tele type ( Bakersfield) Guitars BUT The easiest guitar to play is the one you are truly interested in, thus if it's the RS 2 that floats your boat combined with the unsurpassed value in either its Generation one or two then you won't go wrong with that choice. The RS 2 does come with pickup options however, either Humbuckers or P90's, this is something you might want to research a little before making your choice. Or gettem both :bgrin:


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on August 02, 2011, 01:17:13 PM
I've had my RS-2 (mine's really a cross between a RS-2 and RS-4) just over a month.  While it's far from my first electric I truly believe it will likely be my last.  I am THAT pleased with it.  There are tons of guitars to choose from, but I finally found the one that I've been after all these years.  It is inspiring me to work hard to become a player worthy of playing it. 

BLTQ we are still awaiting some pics of your RS 2 Prototype as it was only one of 5 or maybe 6 made. As you know you need 10 posts in order to post a pic soooo get chattin :smile: The Larrivee RS series whether the Prototype, RS 2 or RS 4 are truly an extraordinary guitars and a joy to play


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: rockstar_not on August 02, 2011, 01:18:23 PM
to the OP....

You should try both styles of bridge - what I find the biggest difference between Fender style bridges (like on the Bakersfield) and Gibson style bridges (like on the RS) is where it positions your picking hand relative to the top of the guitar.

For palm muting and anchoring of the picking hand to the top - this is actually kind of critical how you 'learn' first.  I learned on Fender style and it's what is hard-wired into my brain.  One can learn the other but it takes time.

With acoustic guitars, this simply isn't a big deal - all bridges on flat-tops pretty much put your hand in the same spot.


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: ducktrapper on August 02, 2011, 02:39:18 PM
If you like the RS-2 (and who wouldn't?), get it. It'll serve you well. 


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: BLTQ on August 02, 2011, 03:50:35 PM
BLTQ we are still awaiting some pics of your RS 2 Prototype as it was only one of 5 or maybe 6 made. As you know you need 10 posts in order to post a pic soooo get chattin  The Larrivee RS series whether the Prototype, RS 2 or RS 4 are truly an extraordinary guitars and a joy to play

You can view pics of my RS-2 under the thread "Fancy RS-2" as the original owner posted a few on this forum.  It's a rootbeer burst with cream binding on the body and fretboard and with matching P-90s.  She's a beauty for sure.  Thanks for your interest.


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: nuncle on August 02, 2011, 08:01:18 PM
The only "problem" with the Bakersfield suggestion is that it will cost about $600 more than the RS-2. Both have single coils, so both will have some hum issues. The RS-2 has four controls versus the B's two controls - personal preference.

There are first generation RS-2's still out there, and one of these would solve the hum issue, and for a first guitar, this is what I would recommend over the P-90's. P-90's require some technique to really master, in my experience - humbuckers are more forgiving (and P-90's are the only pickup offered in the 2nd generation RS-2/Ventura). The Larrivee humbuckers are very versatile pickups...and the old RS-2 is a great guitar and a great value.

First generation RS-2's (with humbuckers) might be $100-200 more than the newer ones, but I think they're still a great value. Check out Guitar Adoptions website (www.guitaradoptions.com - no affiliation, just a great dealer with great prices); he still has several of the older RS-2's w/humbuckers.

For sure.  The guitar to get is always the guitar you dig.  Also, I suppose, bounce to the buck.  I didn't know the Bakersfield was more expensive than the RS-2.

Both dig factor and buck factor are guidelines.  I've bought a couple of guitars I wish I hadn't primarily because I really did not know what I wanted or the miscreant guitar looked good on paper and I figured, even after playing 'em, they would work for me.  They didn't.  Work for me, that is.   Hey, no one ever accused me of being smart.  If the RS has that spark and is priced right.  That's the guit to get. 

For what it is worth, I'm more of a two knob guy myself.  But if the RS-2 is the guit for you, you might want to try both the hummbucker version and the P-90 version.  (I'm a sucker for P-90 pick-ups.)   


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: Penceler on August 02, 2011, 11:08:00 PM
Thanks for all your comments.  I just took the plunge and ordered a white RS2 with humbuckers from Guitar Adoptions.  Time will tell if this is foolishness or genius.

John


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on August 03, 2011, 01:03:31 AM
Thanks for all your comments.  I just took the plunge and ordered a white RS2 with humbuckers from Guitar Adoptions.  Time will tell if this is foolishness or genius.

John


John you have ordered yourself a top notch guitar there Friend. Look forward to your comments


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: Cybercanyon on August 03, 2011, 03:48:58 AM
It is a beautiful guitar and it will serve you well. :nice guitar:

Mike


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: Mikeymac on August 03, 2011, 02:02:58 PM
Thanks for all your comments.  I just took the plunge and ordered a white RS2 with humbuckers from Guitar Adoptions.  Time will tell if this is foolishness or genius.

John


Good choice, and Dave is great to work with, and his prices are the best in the business. I predict you'll be a satisfied customer.

The other positive thing I like about the RS-2 is how light it is on a strap. If you've been mostly an acoustic player, you'll appreciate this as well. My RS-2 is very light, but sounds very alive and sustains well. Mine has P-90's - if the economy (or my personal economy) were different, I'd also have one with humbuckers. 

Look forward to your impressions when you get it. Also, if you have a guitar playing friend who plays a lot of electric, have them give it a go; I'm sure they'll be impressed!


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: tulk1 on August 03, 2011, 10:13:14 PM
Good choice. Bet it'll look very close to mine.  :thumb Just an fyi from my point of view, and that is all it is - the Larrivee HB pickups are very very! dynamic. Wide open they will snarl like you wouldn't believe. They cut thru, they fit the mix, can be very articulate. My singer insists I use the RS-2 just for those very reasons. :whistling:

What I've ended up doing is running the pickups on about 5, with the amp up a bit so it can work. At 5 you can get some truly nice cleans, bare down a bit and get some natural OD. Start moving them up towards 7/8 and wow!! At 10 (which is rare these days) watch out!! Those pickups will tear it up. Amazing guitar, amazing pickups.


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: Mikeymac on August 04, 2011, 03:38:35 AM

What I've ended up doing is running the pickups on about 5, with the amp up a bit so it can work. At 5 you can get some truly nice cleans, bare down a bit and get some natural OD. Start moving them up towards 7/8 and wow!! At 10 (which is rare these days) watch out!! Those pickups will tear it up. Amazing guitar, amazing pickups.

I do this as well, but keep in mind that tulk1 is (probably) describing how the pickups react to a good tube amp...or a good overdrive stompbox. Some amps won't interact in this same "dynamic" way with the pickups - but it's no fault of these guitars! They're very expressive, and as you learn your instrument, you'll appreciate them even more. 

As I mentioned before, find a good electric player locally, and have him play this thing when you get it...hopefully he'll give it back to you!  :whistling:


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: tulk1 on August 04, 2011, 11:59:03 AM
I do this as well, but keep in mind that tulk1 is (probably) describing how the pickups react to a good tube amp...or a good overdrive stompbox. Some amps won't interact in this same "dynamic" way with the pickups - but it's no fault of these guitars! They're very expressive, and as you learn your instrument, you'll appreciate them even more. 

As I mentioned before, find a good electric player locally, and have him play this thing when you get it...hopefully he'll give it back to you!  :whistling:
Yep. That is certainly a big part of the equation.  :thumb


Title: Re: 1st Electric
Post by: Penceler on August 05, 2011, 12:33:56 AM
All good advice which I will hopefully follow.  It is supposed to arrive Friday so I should have some initial reactions after the weekend.  It's exciting really - something new to learn (and be humbled by).  Thanks for the tips on settings.  Now if only my acoustics will forgive me...

John