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Title: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: abalone at last on April 27, 2011, 03:25:08 AM
Do people actually believe that Larrivee is going to build a guitar with a bolt on neck and a 3-bar bridge  :? The fact that they are thinking about building a tele is not exciting news. I would have rather seen a double-cut with a set neck in the spirit of Paul Reed Smith guitars that made Santana famous. Taylor practically reinvented the electric guitar so I can't see Jean rehashing Leo's old faithful. The RS-2 and RS-4 are great but I don't think it will be three times a charm with this one. With the tune-amatic  bridge and humbuckers on a tele you could call it Frankenstein. Hopefully there will be some original ideas when the finished product comes out. BTW before anyone goes off on the Taylor comment take a look at their neck,bridge ,and pickup design. No offence to forum members who are on this bandwagon but I would like to see Larrivee continue to build electric guitars worthy of their status as a high end guitar manufacturer.......


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Mikeymac on April 27, 2011, 04:01:08 AM
Please don't take this the wrong way - I mean this in all seriousness: Telecasters will continue to be one of the biggest selling guitars while Taylor electrics will always have a small, fairly insignificant following. While the Taylor may have some nice hardware (and I agree - I like the design of their bridge), I found their tone to be so-so ...

The Tele may be a 50 year old design, but it's been around that long (and copied for almost that long) because it works well for many styles of music (ironically, you have a very old Tele listed in your gear!). The Taylors are very nicely made guitars - just as nice as the Larrivee RS-4 - but I just didn't find the tone to be all that inspiring. And they're not cheap, which, again, will keep them out of many hands and off of many stages. I'm sure the same will also be true of the RS-4; it's a great guitar, but some folks won't try it because it doesn't say Gibson on the headstock. That will also be true of this new "Tele".

But it looks like Larrivee is selling enough electrics to continue building them, and also to expand the line by adding this new model. So they believe it's going to be worth their investment of time and resources. I know I plan to own one ASAP. I'd rather have a Larrivee than either a Fender or Gibson because of my previous experiences with all three companies. I know that Larrivee makes top notch stuff for reasonable (make that more than reasonable!) prices.

Again, I'm not slamming Taylor - they're also a successful company. But their electrics will NEVER eclipse the Telecaster. It's a design worth copying/emulating.



Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: bel on April 27, 2011, 04:08:14 AM
Sometimes re-inventing the wheel does not net you a better wheel.

There is a certain magic in the old tele design - the heart of the tele tone comes from that ash tray bridge, and covered neck pickup. You can make improvements to the quality of the parts, as well as how they fit together - but change the core concept and the tone changes away from that 1950's tele tone. That is the point with a Tele. It's the rawest and purest form of electric guitar. I don't buy the arguement that if someone wants a tele sound they should go buy a fender - The current fender teles (including the custom shops) are pretty far off the mark and not where they should be.

The Taylor electrics may have re-invented the wheel, but that all goes out the window when you play one. The magnetic pull of the pickups is way to strong and the sustain lacks. They sound lifeless and dull.



Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on April 27, 2011, 04:20:40 AM
The fact that Larrivee is thinking of building a Tele Style is every bit as exciting as was their LP style RS 4 back in 08. To me they brought a LP up and beyond anything else on the market.

Can they do it to the Tele - of course this remains to be seen. Anyone in the market for Tele Style Guitar I would certainly put the brakes on a purchase until I saw the Larrivee offering.

Having a bolt on neck does not detract one little bit. The PUPS specifically remains to be seen we know they will have the Duncan Liberator system which in itself sets it apart and is an indicator to high end having the option of traditional tele PUP or a Mini Hummer. It will be equiped with  top notch hardware and appointments - but not over priced. The bridge detail has not been disclosed only that it's top shelf maybe  a CALLAHAM would be in line ( OK that's just me wishing).

Anyway friend, bandwagon or no bandwagon I heard all the wrong road stuff in 2008 when Larrivee was re-entering the Electric Line with the RS 4  BUT anyone familiar with Larrivee's 80's electrics knew very well their competence in Electric Guitars. I just feel Matthew is to Electric what JCL was/is to Acoustic bringing electrics to a whole new level.

Excited about a Larrivee Tele style - you bet I am!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: abalone at last on April 27, 2011, 05:05:38 AM
 Look at a PRS Mira, Gibson Trini Lopez, Rickenbacker,Music Man  JP BFG , es type, even the old V style with banana headstock would be better than a tele . It's still just a silohuette on the Larrivee web page freinds. They made 35 teles for Seymour but its still not too late to change their mind about generation 3 Larrivee electrics. Matt L is probably shaking his head at the R & D people as we speak. There has to be a better more original idea out there.....BTW they should sign an artist like Luke Doucet to play and promote their electric products if they haven't already done so....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQJeuA9LgF8


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on April 27, 2011, 05:17:33 AM
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm  ES Style got to side with you there friend!!!! Larrivee with their Acoustic background and their obvious top tier electric - can you imagine where they would bring an ES to :? :? :?

A Larrivee Semi would excite me most :smile:


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Walkerman on April 27, 2011, 02:09:52 PM
Look at a PRS Mira, Gibson Trini Lopez, Rickenbacker,Music Man  JP BFG , es type, even the old V style with banana headstock would be better than a tele . It's still just a silohuette on the Larrivee web page freinds. They made 35 teles for Seymour but its still not too late to change their mind about generation 3 Larrivee electrics. Matt L is probably shaking his head at the R & D people as we speak. There has to be a better more original idea out there.....BTW they should sign an artist like Luke Doucet to play and promote their electric products if they haven't already done so....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQJeuA9LgF8

I hate to be the one to break the news to you, but Matthew IS "the R and D people" at Yarnell Place.  And he's done a pretty good job at it so far....


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: ducktrapper on April 27, 2011, 02:19:31 PM
Telecasters and AK-47s. Some designs just keep on delivering the mail.


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on April 27, 2011, 02:40:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQJeuA9LgF8

I agree with your point on Larrivee signing an Artist or two from my vantage point anyway IMO, but who are we to really have the the big picture view of the promotion of Larrivee Co. :?

Nice plug BTW of this Canadian born ( Hay Nova Scotian I might add) very talented indeed BUT gotta say  Melissa McClelland steals the show when sharing the stage :wink: :whistling:

Is that UnclRob's White Falcon he's strummin :?

 :bgrin:


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on April 27, 2011, 02:54:55 PM
The current fender teles (including the custom shops) are pretty far off the mark and not where they should be.


There is certainly a gap from the vintage twang say of the broadcaster to today's Custom Shop issues this is soo true. The Taylor electric no offence friends but really missed the mark can't imagine an attempt to debate otherwise on that.

The true test for Larrivee IMHO and if it hopes to catch any market share in this line would be - can they nail that traditional tone that got lost thru the years by Fender and not yet really captured by anyone else. This is what is missing in todays guitar stores.


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Walkerman on April 27, 2011, 03:09:21 PM
There is certainly a gap from the vintage twang say of the broadcaster to today's Custom Shop issues this is soo true. The Taylor electric no offence friends but really missed the mark can't imagine an attempt to debate otherwise on that.

The true test for Larrivee IMHO and if it hopes to catch any market share in this line would be - can they nail that traditional tone that got lost thru the years by Fender and not yet really captured by anyone else. This is what is missing in todays guitar stores.

I am not sure thet "tone" can be captured.  One thing I have learned is that most of our "guitar heroes" hotrodded their guitars to the max.  They customized everything on them.
You all would really enjoy "The Blackguard."


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: ducktrapper on April 27, 2011, 03:15:21 PM
"Tone" is primarily a function of the player's technique. Discuss.  :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Walkerman on April 27, 2011, 03:50:42 PM
"Tone" is primarily a function of the player's technique. Discuss.  :nana_guitar
"Sound" maybe
Tone...no

If it were "technique"...then why the need to change guitars so often on stage?  Alternate tunings doesn't explain it IMO.


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: ducktrapper on April 27, 2011, 03:56:48 PM
"Sound" maybe
Tone...no

If it were "technique"...then why the need to change guitars so often on stage?  Alternate tunings doesn't explain it IMO.

Well, I suppose I'm inclined 180 degrees in the other direction. To me, sound is a function of equipment. Tone is a function of the musician. I only need one guitar. At a time, that is!  :laughin:


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: tulk1 on April 27, 2011, 05:26:59 PM
I'm a rather "recent" comer to Larrivee` electrics. Having spent the last few years as a Heritage guitar fanatic. Still am. And I love my Larrivee's just as much. Couple of things in this thread I have seen mirrored with our concern for Heritage. They rarely advertise. They don't solicit endorsers. Nor do they give their endorsers guitars; rarely do they even get a discount. We quite often have threads along the lines of "what H needs to do", "what were they thinking?", "they need to advertise", "why'd they make that?", etc.

4 years ago we decided to have a Heritage owners get together. We did a factory tour, had a picnic; the owners and employees all came out to the party. It's now an annual event. There is nothing like having one on one time with these guys to understand that they know what they are doing. They have direction, purpose, a business plan, etc. All or none of which may be apparent to those of us that are buyers/users. Not to mention the history of all these guys in the guitar making world. They know what they have and what they are doing. I'd have to think that JCL and Matthew know what they're doing. If they want to do a Tele-esque guitar, who are we, as users, to question that? Other than that free speech thing.  :thumb

Just an aside. During a rather tough time due to one major guitar manu giving them grief, another rather major guitar manu helped them with some designs. One of which looked suspiciously like a Tele. Set neck, too, rather than the traditional bolt on. Kind of odd that a builder known for their semis/hollows would build a Tele-type guitar. But, it worked. They didn't make many of them, but those that have them swear by them. Dandy looking and playing guitars.


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: macsmojado on April 27, 2011, 07:09:02 PM
abalone at last!

Just for the records I played all of the Taylor Electrics at a Taylor guitar show! They aren't
even close in tone to the "SUPERB TONES" that the Larrivee RS-2's and RS-4's deliver!
Your comment that "TAYLOR" reinvented the wheel with their electrics is a pretty
"Ridiculous Statement"! As a matter of fact the Taylor electrics in terms of actual sales
has been for all practical purposes "LUKEWARM" at best since they were released!The
other comments from some of the postings regarding the tonal qualities of the Taylor
electrics were very accurate!

Just curious as to if you have even played the Taylor Electrics and a LARRIVEE RS-2 or
RS-4?


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: bel on April 27, 2011, 07:48:26 PM
I should also point out that many of the PRS designs are almost direct copies of the original Larrivee designs. The prs offerings look eerily like the larrivee's made in the mid/late 1980's.


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Barefoot Rob on April 28, 2011, 02:13:54 AM
PRS are Gibson clone's and they were sued by Gibson for there single cut modal.The PRS double cutaways are basically copies of Gibson Les Paul double cutaways.


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: fritferret on April 28, 2011, 02:46:09 AM
this feel very much like a troll thread.  don't feed the troll, people.


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on April 28, 2011, 02:49:25 AM
PRS are Gibson clone's and they were sued by Gibson for there single cut modal.The PRS double cutaways are basically copies of Gibson Les Paul double cutaways.

Not so sure about that Uncl I have always seen more similarities to the 80's Larrivees then Gibsons in many cases


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Barefoot Rob on April 28, 2011, 01:29:19 PM
That could be but Smith was always a Gibson head.


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Mikeymac on April 28, 2011, 03:35:44 PM
I guess I thought PRS once said that his body/design idea came from trying to put a Strat and LP together in one instrument...that makes sense to me as I look at them...and also the 5-way rotary switch tries to capure both single coil and humbucker tones...

...anyway, the original question was why Larrivee hasn't gone more in the direction of Taylor's electrics...hey, different people have different visions of what good tone or good design is, and they follow their muse. That's why we don't all still drive black Ford Model T's...


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Walkerman on April 29, 2011, 04:50:27 PM
Went to Yarnell Place yesterday.....got to look around...wow.....saw a bunch of the SD 35's being assembled....got to "fondle" one...and yeah, that's the word I'd use.  If I had an  extra 6K sitting around, I'd get one.  They are very special guitars.

Saw a bunch of the new "tele" style Larry's...very nice axes...amazingly light.  Top notch wood being used.  I'm no tele expert, but it looks like the old style bridge is being used.
Also saw a bunch of RS4's and the new 2's.

Said hi to Wendy (dropped off some of my stash of Ahi tuna for her and Jean) and left some Master's donuts, of course.  Matthew showed me around...he seems to be quite proud of the electrics.

All and all, a very pleasant morning.


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: ducktrapper on April 29, 2011, 04:55:19 PM
Went to Yarnell Place yesterday.....got to look around...wow.....saw a bunch of the SD 35's being assembled....got to "fondle" one...and yeah, that's the word I'd use.  If I had an  extra 6K sitting around, I'd get one.  They are very special guitars.

Saw a bunch of the new "tele" style Larry's...very nice axes...amazingly light.  Top notch wood being used.  I'm no tele expert, but it looks like the old style bridge is being used.
Also saw a bunch of RS4's and the new 2's.

Said hi to Wendy (dropped off some of my stash of Ahi tuna for her and Jean) and left some Master's donuts, of course.  Matthew showed me around...he seems to be quite proud of the electrics.

All and all, a very pleasant morning.
]

Matthew should  be very proud of the electrics. If the RS-4 is any indication, the teles will be very nice indeed. Happy fondling, everyone! 


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Mikeymac on April 29, 2011, 07:37:17 PM
Went to Yarnell Place yesterday.....got to look around...wow.....saw a bunch of the SD 35's being assembled....got to "fondle" one...and yeah, that's the word I'd use.  If I had an  extra 6K sitting around, I'd get one.  They are very special guitars.

Saw a bunch of the new "tele" style Larry's...very nice axes...amazingly light.  Top notch wood being used.  I'm no tele expert, but it looks like the old style bridge is being used.
Also saw a bunch of RS4's and the new 2's.

Said hi to Wendy (dropped off some of my stash of Ahi tuna for her and Jean) and left some Master's donuts, of course.  Matthew showed me around...he seems to be quite proud of the electrics.

All and all, a very pleasant morning.

You sure know how to get the juices flowing - and I don't mean for donuts or tuna!!!  :drool:


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Walkerman on April 29, 2011, 10:02:34 PM
You sure know how to get the juices flowing - and I don't mean for donuts or tuna!!!  :drool:

Everyone should add to their bucket list a tour of the Oxnard shop.  Seriously....you get to meet Jean, Matthew, Wendy....and most of the other folks who had a hand in making the guitar that you love.  You can bring some donuts, and have someone you never met (but who probably had a hand in making your guitar) say "Hey, thanks for the sugar."
It gives you a totally different perspective on the instrument you own and play.  I have been really lucky in that I have been able to watch and photograph the builds of most of my guitars.  Probably one of the reasons that I would never consider selling one of my Larrivees.  It just seems to me that they have the same love affair with making our guitars as we have with playing them...meeting them is just that "extra connection" with your guitar that adds zen to the equation.


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on April 29, 2011, 10:56:19 PM
Everyone should add to their bucket list a tour of the Oxnard shop.  Seriously....you get to meet Jean, Matthew, Wendy....and most of the other folks who had a hand in making the guitar that you love.  You can bring some donuts, and have someone you never met (but who probably had a hand in making your guitar) say "Hey, thanks for the sugar."
It gives you a totally different perspective on the instrument you own and play.  I have been really lucky in that I have been able to watch and photograph the builds of most of my guitars.  Probably one of the reasons that I would never consider selling one of my Larrivees.  It just seems to me that they have the same love affair with making our guitars as we have with playing them...meeting them is just that "extra connection" with your guitar that adds zen to the equation.


iT'S ON MY LIST. Nice to see you recognize your fortune.


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: abalone at last on May 01, 2011, 01:48:27 AM
Most of the guitars mentioned try'd not buy'd.............I haven't been able to try a Rikenbacker but I heard there is a wait list for them. The Larrivee electrics i tried were nice but I am about to buy a 2006 prs singlecut. The Larrivee body shape is absolutely brilliant... but I am leaning towards the prs because of equally good tone as the Larri plus it has wood binding and bird inlay and 10 top. By the way prs counter-sued Gibson and won paving the way for Taylor and Larrivee to build les paulish shaped guitars. Again i love the way the Lari electrics resemble the L body shape. Great idea... some day we may see a bigger hollowbody version or one with maple or rosewood binding and fancy inlays. I thought orca shaped fret position inlays wood look great on an expensive L- body electric................  :coffee


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on May 01, 2011, 02:47:08 AM
Not so sure about the Counter suit - thought it was lost in an appeal. Without knowing the real detail seemed on the surface a weak suit by Gibson to begin with - the often mentioned smokey bar analogy. Regardless the PRS singlecut is a very pretty guitar and I fully understand your attraction, TO ME tho I just never really cared for the PRS seemed like an inferior guitar to my 80's Larrivees. Now I own Les Pauls, SG's, ES 335 Custom Shop Tele & Strat and even a Rickenbacker 12er now if the house was on fire and I could only escape with 2 gits it would be my RS 4 and the ES.

Anytime someone mentions Semi and Larrivee in the same sentence I  :drool:

Let us know how you make out with your PRS  :beer


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: gluve1 on May 01, 2011, 12:21:05 PM
I all acoustic now. But back in the electric days, I tried all kinds electric nice ones. But always came back to American Strats. So a    Larrivee Strat could get me back in the electric world. Most versatile electric every. Second favorite 335's


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: abalone at last on May 04, 2011, 01:36:43 AM
I think i spelt his name wrong its Luke Doucet and Larrivee already has him as a featured artists. For anyone who didn't realize it Larrivee has a huge list of artists including this guy who goes on to discuss songwriting and music videos

http://www.roxwel.com/player/lukedoucetbrokenonecommentary.html?1=1&detect_bitrate=_2000


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Walkerman on May 05, 2011, 01:20:18 PM
I think i spelt his name wrong its Luke Doucet and Larrivee already has him as a featured artists. For anyone who didn't realize it Larrivee has a huge list of artists including this guy who goes on to discuss songwriting and music videos

http://www.roxwel.com/player/lukedoucetbrokenonecommentary.html?1=1&detect_bitrate=_2000

Hmmmmmmmm...I believe it's "spelt" spelled....... :humour:


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: abalone at last on May 06, 2011, 04:23:51 PM
Thanks for the english lesson walkerman...I knew I  spelled something wrong  :coffee Btw I got the PRS. very sweet  but I saved some cash for another Larrivee...down the road..............


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: killerteddybear on May 25, 2011, 02:22:09 PM
Just to stir things up - G&L ASAT's and Legacy guitars are the next step up from the Telecaster and Stratocaster.
Too bad they don't get the credit they deserve... especially since Leo Fender was half of G&L!
If Larrivee's 'Tele' improves on the ASAT then I'm in for one!
 :donut :donut :donut :donut


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on May 25, 2011, 02:50:27 PM
Just to stir things up - G&L ASAT's and Legacy guitars are the next step up from the Telecaster and Stratocaster.
Too bad they don't get the credit they deserve... especially since Leo Fender was half of G&L!
If Larrivee's 'Tele' improves on the ASAT then I'm in for one!
 :donut :donut :donut :donut

The majority of the masses simply can't get past an Electric not saying Fender or Gibson on the Headstock tho PRS with their marketing strategy have made some great inroads on that front. I suspect the Larrivee offering like it's RS 4 will be superior ( thus enjoyed by those who either don't get paid to endorse guitars and those who are able to appreciate the guitar more than the marketing blitzed name on the headstock). It's unlikely to seriously have a market impact without a very agressive marketing strategy. The RS 4 proved this theory in my mind.


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Mikeymac on May 25, 2011, 03:18:51 PM
Just to stir things up - G&L ASAT's and Legacy guitars are the next step up from the Telecaster and Stratocaster.
Too bad they don't get the credit they deserve... especially since Leo Fender was half of G&L!
If Larrivee's 'Tele' improves on the ASAT then I'm in for one!
 :donut :donut :donut :donut

I was over at a friends Sunday afternoon for his daughter's h.s. graduation party, and he showed me his G&L Legacy (I think; or S-500). He bought it used on e-bay WITH A SET OF BARDEN PUPS IN IT for around $750!!! Needless to say, it is a beautiful guitar (sunburst over ash body), and the neck is actually pretty hefty; I like bigger necks, so it felt very good in my hands.

I'm sure the Larrivee will be every bit as nice...I got on G&L's website after looking at his, and I may still seek out one of their "Strat" styles, but I'll be going for the Larrivee 'Tele'...


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: SouthpawGuy on May 25, 2011, 07:29:58 PM
Just to stir things up - G&L ASAT's and Legacy guitars are the next step up from the Telecaster and Stratocaster.
Too bad they don't get the credit they deserve... especially since Leo Fender was half of G&L!
If Larrivee's 'Tele' improves on the ASAT then I'm in for one!
 :donut :donut :donut :donut

Major G&L fan here .. if they do then I will be extremely impressed.

Mind you they have their work cut out ....

(http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh98/SouthpawGuy/GandL%20ASAT%20Special%20Deluxe/P1010509.jpg)

(http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh98/SouthpawGuy/GandL%20Bluesboy%20solid/bb_04.jpg)

(http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh98/SouthpawGuy/GandL%20Legacy/legacy04.jpg)

(http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh98/SouthpawGuy/GandL%20S500%202/P1010006.jpg)


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: tulk1 on May 26, 2011, 02:11:53 PM
The majority of the masses simply can't get past an Electric not saying Fender or Gibson on the Headstock tho PRS with their marketing strategy have made some great inroads on that front. I suspect the Larrivee offering like it's RS 4 will be superior ( thus enjoyed by those who either don't get paid to endorse guitars and those who are able to appreciate the guitar more than the marketing blitzed name on the headstock). It's unlikely to seriously have a market impact without a very agressive marketing strategy. The RS 4 proved this theory in my mind.
I have SO many musician friends in our area that are like that. Always touting the latest F or G, without even looking at the alternatives. I've been playing guitars since I was 14 ... and that was a very long time ago  :crying: ... uh ......... with plenty of Gibs guitars. And I can say, without a doubt, that my RS4 is superior in every way to any of them. It has even replaced my Heritage Custom Prospect as my main guitar. And I absolutely LOVE my Heritage Prospect. I don't get the whole name brand on the headstock thing, tho'. I'd rather go for quality first, then worry about the name.


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: ducktrapper on May 26, 2011, 02:31:19 PM
I have SO many musician friends in our area that are like that. Always touting the latest F or G, without even looking at the alternatives. I've been playing guitars since I was 14 ... and that was a very long time ago  :crying: ... uh ......... with plenty of Gibs guitars. And I can say, without a doubt, that my RS4 is superior in every way to any of them. It has even replaced my Heritage Custom Prospect as my main guitar. And I absolutely LOVE my Heritage Prospect. I don't get the whole name brand on the headstock thing, tho'. I'd rather go for quality first, then worry about the name.

Amen. My RS-4 slays  the competition.


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: killerteddybear on May 26, 2011, 02:46:24 PM
I just checked the scale length on the RS guitars (I love 25.5"). Now I have to go find one...


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Mikeymac on May 26, 2011, 04:07:55 PM
I just checked the scale length on the RS guitars (I love 25.5"). Now I have to go find one...

The scale length and the vintage (low) output humbuckers make the RS4 a very versatile guitar...back off the bridge volume to around "8", with tone all the way up, hit the stompbox, and you can play the Layla intro all day long! Then switch over to the neck pickup full up to "10" and go for the high part! (Just remember: Eric plays a Strat, but with a blocked trem and a mid-boost built in - not a particularly "stock" Strat arrangement!)

To get closer to LP tones, just keep the volume turned all the way up and back off the tone controls to "6" or so (especially on the bridge). You're there.


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Barefoot Rob on May 26, 2011, 04:39:40 PM
Rev so you know that strat on those recordings didn't have the mid boast thing.I believe the pickups were out of one of the 5 50's strats that made up "Blackie".
That the cosmo's that Matthew spent the time learning what a good humbucker should sound like and then improved on them some how because the one's that I've played didn't get muddy in the mid freq when cranked.Also his understanding that  a pu doesn't need to put out 12-14 ohms when 6 1/2 to 7 does great.


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Mikeymac on May 26, 2011, 08:03:45 PM
Rev so you know that strat on those recordings didn't have the mid boast thing.I believe the pickups were out of one of the 5 50's strats that made up "Blackie".
That the cosmo's that Matthew spent the time learning what a good humbucker should sound like and then improved on them some how because the one's that I've played didn't get muddy in the mid freq when cranked.Also his understanding that  a pu doesn't need to put out 12-14 ohms when 6 1/2 to 7 does great.

Yeah, I know; most of the recordings were done with "vintage" Strats ... but in concert now (I saw him about 2 years ago), he plays his signature models, or he also plays an MIM that his kids gave him for Christmas one year (although who knows what kinds of mods he's had done to that one to make it "work" for him). And I've noticed in concert that he plays a LOT on the middle pickup.

And you're right - Matthew understands how to voice the pickups so that they sound great - clean or driven - in terms of output (along with all the other factors).


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: abalone at last on June 22, 2011, 02:32:34 AM
Holy Fender!!  :beer


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: rockstar_not on June 22, 2011, 04:53:01 AM
The only disappointing thing to me about the telelarry is the rumor that it will have the 3 piece tail.  Here's hoping that they at least put the compensating saddles on those or it's off to G&L land for me to look for a better than fender Tele when I finally do pull that trigger.

I know there's a few strong voices here pushing for the 3 piece, but that seems ill-advised to me. 

G&L wasn't convinced the 3 piece was key to the tone of Tele when they improved on it:
http://www.glguitars.com/instruments/TributeSeries/guitars/index.asp

Just looked and there are several ASAT Classic Bluesboy models (basically an improved upon 72 Tele Thinline from what I can gather) that didn't sell with $750 BIN!

Boom, that decision is made if again, I ever pull that Thinline trigger (which I realize is probably the least 'tele' of the tele line).

Arlo West proves that it surely isn't the wood that is the magic when it comes to all-out Tele tone.  If you don't know who Arlo West is, just google his name and then come back and thank me after you've enjoyed his tunes and his demonstrations of all kinds of parts-casters, 3 piece and other bridges, pine bodies, etc.





Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: abalone at last on June 28, 2011, 06:30:56 PM
Okay....all this talk about the new guitar is kind of anti-climaxing....as Joyce and others read the writing on the wall and called this months ago...That and the fact that it is similar to the Seymour Duncan Tribute guitar made by Larrivee. The thing alot of people don't get is......and this is for the crowd that is groaning about a Fender copy.....People say look at G&L...they did it too.......but G&L was Leo Fender therefore giving them instant credentials. The other point I'd like to make is for those who are arguing that Fender doesn't make a good Tele guitar anymore. I have three words for you......American Vintage Reissue....... :coffee :donut


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Barefoot Rob on June 28, 2011, 07:16:32 PM
 :humour:

ASAT=another stupid a** tele.

Thats the way I heard and I'm stickin too it as its such a great statement  suppossitaly uttered by Mr. Fender himself.



By the way I like the ASAT's


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: ducktrapper on June 28, 2011, 10:18:40 PM
Play what you love. Love what you play. 


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Walkerman on June 28, 2011, 11:07:28 PM
".....American Vintage Reissue...."

Truth be told, I'd rather have a SD 35.  If I can't have that, I'd rather have a Bakersfield.  If I can't have that, I'd rather have a G&L.
If I can't have that, I'd rather have a Gibby SG.  Anything but a Fender.


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Cybercanyon on June 29, 2011, 12:18:53 AM
".....American Vintage Reissue...."

Truth be told, I'd rather have a SD 35.  If I can't have that, I'd rather have a Bakersfield.  If I can't have that, I'd rather have a G&L.
If I can't have that, I'd rather have a Gibby SG.  Anything but a Fender.

 :thumb

An SD 35 is what I want also, however a Bakersfield will be probably a more available option.

Mike


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on June 29, 2011, 12:28:51 AM

An SD 35 is what I want also, however a Bakersfield will be probably a more available option.

Mike


Just by lookin at the specs NOT ME, what is it about the SD 35 that you guys see that would trump the Bakersfield  :? Maybe from a collector point of view sure as limited to 35, but if you are a chasin the Broadcaster twang my money is on Matt LARRIVEE & the Bakersfield


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Walkerman on June 29, 2011, 12:56:24 PM
Just by lookin at the specs NOT ME, what is it about the SD 35 that you guys see that would trump the Bakersfield  :? Maybe from a collector point of view sure as limited to 35, but if you are a chasin the Broadcaster twang my money is on Matt LARRIVEE & the Bakersfield

You'd have to have held one of the SD 35's to understand.  Once you've had one in your hands....you just don't want to let go.  Besides, the pups are all easily interchangeable with the new SD system, so you can pretty much get whatever sound you want.


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on June 29, 2011, 01:33:55 PM
You'd have to have held one of the SD 35's to understand.  Once you've had one in your hands....you just don't want to let go.  Besides, the pups are all easily interchangeable with the new SD system, so you can pretty much get whatever sound you want.

I'm sure they feel superb BUT the bridge is crucial more so in a Tele Style than most.  :drool: And the CALLAHAM BRIDGE (http://www.callahamguitars.com/brdge_T.htm) is a strong factor in weighing me in on the side of the Bakersfield


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Walkerman on June 29, 2011, 01:58:39 PM
I'm sure they feel superb BUT the bridge is crucial more so in a Tele Style than most.  :drool: And the CALLAHAM BRIDGE (http://www.callahamguitars.com/brdge_T.htm) is a strong factor in weighing me in on the side of the Bakersfield

OK, OK....let me amend my statement......

I want an SD 35 AND a Bakersfield....... :roll


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: Cybercanyon on June 29, 2011, 08:17:46 PM
I'm sure they feel superb BUT the bridge is crucial more so in a Tele Style than most.  :drool: And the CALLAHAM BRIDGE (http://www.callahamguitars.com/brdge_T.htm) is a strong factor in weighing me in on the side of the Bakersfield

I agree.  I want the Bakersfield and could afford it more easily over the SD35.  I can't wait to get my hands on one.   :drool:
Both the Bakersfield and the SD35 have similarities, however they are different animals.

Of course if I had a choice I would take both.    :bgrin:

Mike
 


Title: Re: Goin' down the wrong road.....
Post by: abalone at last on June 30, 2011, 12:02:45 AM
I think the Bakersfield will be about the same price as Fender Custom Shop models.....with the edge in build quality going to Larrivee. Fender does have a huge variety of lower price teles...many of which are pretty nice guitars.. ..