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Title: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: Danny on February 24, 2010, 08:08:38 PM
  When Roger posted his TIP about a K and K installation problem on the Forum III and offered the solution I considered that it might be a good thing to have these TIPS available for easier access. Sometimes it's hard to dig in the threads and find any help.
  All of us could offer what we have found to be a helpful item and if it needs some critique due to an unforeseen problem arising then forum members with more experience ie. unclrob, Jim holler and anyone who's got some further insight could offer that knowledge or experience up.
  Like the "tuners" and which ones fit what models from which provider and on and on. Tad did a lot of legwork on that one. If someone asked that question on this thread we could link them to his posts.

                       OK, at the very least you get to vote #5 "leave us alone Danny"  :winkin:


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: cke on February 24, 2010, 08:12:51 PM
I like the idea, Danny. You and others are a tremendous source of wisdom on the care and feeding of guitars.

My only concern is I don't see how to keep the posts organized or indexed. Like the 'Luthier' thread, there is great info, but one has to read it all to find the one item one wants. Otherwise  :thumb :+1: and  :bowdown:


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: Danny on February 24, 2010, 08:16:06 PM
I like the idea, Danny. You and others are a tremendous source of wisdom on the care and feeding of guitars.

My only concern is I don't see how to keep the posts organized or indexed. Like the 'Luthier' thread, there is great info, but one has to read it all to find the one item one wants. Otherwise  :thumb :+1: and  :bowdown:
  Well we could monitor the thread and someone who asks about a specific item can be linked to it by a member who knows where it is. Or copy and paste here. If there is a better way then I'm for that as well. But I know this would be helpful to me at times.


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: Barefoot Rob on February 24, 2010, 08:18:19 PM
Since we can only vote once I decided not to vote but list the things that I would vote for if I could vote for more then one.OK say that ten times fast......

This would be useful------Yep

Will cause debate ----Ok I'm not suredebate is the right word but again YEP

Leave us alone Danny ------ only because it would be fun {can't wait to see the results on this one} :winkin:



On a side note I'm note sure I am as verse as some of the other members in these area's. :wave


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: Danny on February 24, 2010, 08:20:26 PM
Since we can only vote once I decided not to vote but list the things that I would vote for if I could vote for more then one.OK say that ten times fast......

You can vote as many times as you want, I allowed the vote to be changed.

          Do you think this would be useful Rob?


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: Barefoot Rob on February 24, 2010, 08:24:55 PM
Please read above your post as I have modified my first responce.

You can only vote once,I tried.

I'm sure it would be useful but as you know its a strange world out there and any advice I offer could be used against me in a court of law if the user f**k's up there guitar.For that matter according to a low life lawyer friend of mine has said that with all the info out there he's suprised that info sites don't have a disclsimer to protect themselfs as he's foot stompin sure that he could win a suite against anyone of the sites.


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: jeremy3220 on February 24, 2010, 08:28:26 PM

My only concern is I don't see how to keep the posts organized or indexed. Like the 'Luthier' thread, there is great info, but one has to read it all to find the one item one wants. Otherwise  :thumb :+1: and  :bowdown:

It would be better as a subforum so people could search though titles. One long Tips thread would be a mess. If it were in a child board like the FAQ is but we could add,modify and delete posts it might work well.


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: cke on February 24, 2010, 08:31:07 PM
Since we can only vote once I decided not to vote but list the things that I would vote for if I could vote for more then one.OK say that ten times fast......

This would be useful------Yep

Will cause debate ----Ok I'm not suredebate is the right word but again YEP

Leave us alone Danny ------ only because it would be fun {can't wait to see the results on this one} :winkin:



On a side note I'm note sure I am as verse as some of the other members in these area's. :wave

I agree it will cause a lot of "DEBATE" - given that this is the Larrivee Forum :roll

Actually there is usually several ways to approach a problem and hearing of the differing solutions is helpful to me.

It would be better as a subforum so people could search though titles. One long Tips thread would be a mess. If it were in a child board like the FAQ is but we could add,modify and delete posts it might work well.
:+1:


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: Barefoot Rob on February 24, 2010, 08:36:43 PM
Quote "Actually there is usually several ways to approach a problem and hearing of the differing solutions is helpful to me."


Yes if it could be keep civil but as you said

"I agree it will cause a lot of "DEBATE" - given that this is the Larrivee Forum"

I'm not sure it can be.Plus you need to have a better understanding of what your doing and weather the poster has an understanding or if there typing out of there arse and are just know it alls who have never done but they know best.

If you leave to what tuners are drop ins,where to get a precut fit bone saddle/nut but direct repair technic's thats a mind field in my book.


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: Danny on February 24, 2010, 08:44:56 PM
Please read above your post as I have modified my first responce.

You can only vote once,I tried.

I'm sure it would be useful but as you know its a strange world out there and any advice I offer could be used against me in a court of law if the user f**k's up there guitar.For that matter according to a low life lawyer friend of mine has said that with all the info out there he's suprised that info sites don't have a disclsimer to protect themselfs as he's foot stompin sure that he could win a suite against anyone of the sites.
 Well I set it up to allow for votes to be changed. And it seems I can't change it back now either.
           I do get the point about lawyers and all but we all offer suggestions all the time and yours have been a great help to me.       
           And I for one would never sue you. In fact I have never and never intend to sue anyone over anything. But you are a professional and I know that makes you a target. My A/C business was included in a lawsuit last year , just because the name of my business was close to the company they wanted to sue. (Am I spelling sue right, it looks weird) Anyway I had never done business in El Paso so it got dropped but it took a lot of time to get it dropped.

           Man I've been breathing poly urethane and my heads spinning. See there is a good tip. Use a finish that doesn't destroy brain cells :+1:


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: Michael T on February 24, 2010, 08:47:41 PM
I usually just use the search button. It does get a bit involved but the members here are pretty helpful when I can't find what I am looking for , or narrow it down with the right wording. It's kind of like repetitive questions, string threads etc. it's always fun to see what's the kick of the day.


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: Barefoot Rob on February 24, 2010, 08:50:30 PM
Read the can you need a well vented room when using it. :wave






 :humour:


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: Mr_LV19E on February 24, 2010, 08:51:54 PM
It would be better as a subforum so people could search though titles. One long Tips thread would be a mess. If it were in a child board like the FAQ is but we could add,modify and delete posts it might work well.
I agree to a sub-forum. If we can't add one maybe we can change the name of one that's already there. Like "Other Guitars", what other guitars?  :humour:


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: cke on February 24, 2010, 08:54:03 PM
Quote "Actually there is usually several ways to approach a problem and hearing of the differing solutions is helpful to me."


Yes if it could be keep civil but as you said

"I agree it will cause a lot of "DEBATE" - given that this is the Larrivee Forum"

I'm not sure it can be.Plus you need to have a better understanding of what your doing and weather the poster has an understanding or if there typing out of there arse and are just know it alls who have never done but they know best.

If you leave to what tuners are drop ins,where to get a precut fit bone saddle/nut but direct repair technic's thats a mind field in my book.

Wow, this and the 'lawyer' point are things I hadn't thought of.   I did use the Forum to glean advise about tuners and saddles and adjusting the action. I had to sift through some dreck to find the good advise, but that seemed easy enough to do.

I don't see myself doing real repairs or refinishing anytime soon; that's what a luthier/tech is for as far as I am concerned. But I get those who have the desire and those who want to learn the  skills , it's very cool.

Real food for thought, Unclrob. BTW you are one of the people (like Danny) that I have come to trust on tech advise :bowdown:


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: Mr_LV19E on February 24, 2010, 08:54:49 PM
 
           Man I've been breathing poly urethane and my heads spinning. See there is a good tip. Use a finish that doesn't destroy brain cells :+1:

Or a respirator.


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: Barefoot Rob on February 24, 2010, 08:56:23 PM
Chris thanks for thr trust.As it say's in my signiture you can always call me and I should add PM me to that.


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: Danny on February 24, 2010, 08:59:59 PM
  Chris, I am not in unclrob's league.  I just enjoy what I'm doing. (Most of the time)


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: cke on February 24, 2010, 09:07:09 PM
Ah, you all's modesty is commendable. But for me, I'm an ant looking up to a couple of elephants! :roll


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: Mr_LV19E on February 24, 2010, 09:21:20 PM
Ah, you all's modesty is commendable. But for me, I'm an ant looking up to a couple of elephants! :roll

Are you making fun of people with weight problems?


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: cke on February 24, 2010, 09:52:24 PM




Are you making fun of people with weight problems?
Errr, ummmm.... No No, I meant to spell giraffes, yeah that's it, I meant giraffes, just misspelled it, yeah that's it .... :roll 
(if you could only see my size!)


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: Barefoot Rob on February 24, 2010, 10:08:46 PM
Hey I was going to say something about fat joke's but you beat me to it.


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: fongie on February 24, 2010, 10:39:04 PM
Dan, you have got the right idea, I think we should make it work. A few weeks ago I didn't know jacksh*t about 'Setups', 'buzzing problems', etc etc. Within two days Uncle Rob taught me how to identify a problem I never knew in all the years of playing guitars, everything from identifying the problem, how to fix the the problem and most importantly, knowledge. I'm stoked. I've since identified more problems on my other guitars as well without any help. We can make this project work, I think this forum should have a maintenance section for only repairers and luthiers like UnclRob, Jim, etc and no one else. And if others have more inputs on the subject, they can open another thread. I can understand how professional repairers like UnclRob and Jim sometimes get annoyed with others underminding their profession. Don't get me wrong, I know everyone is just trying to help. I know it is easy enough to PM UnclRob for help, but I also want to know other peoples guitar problems and how to fix it, so I can learn as well. Thats why a maintenance tread for our Luthiers will help our knowledge


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: Danny on February 24, 2010, 10:51:43 PM
Dan, you have got the right idea, I think we should make it work. A few weeks ago I didn't know jacksh*t about 'Setups', 'buzzing problems', etc etc. Within two days Uncle Rob taught me in all the years of playing guitars, everything from identifying the problem, how to fix the the problem and most important knowledge. I'm stoked. I've since identified more problems on my other guitars as well without any help. We can make this project work
                                 That's exactly what my thinking is fongie. And Jeremy's idea quoted below is maybe a better route to take, in some form if we really want a TIPS thread.


It would be better as a subforum so people could search though titles. One long Tips thread would be a mess. If it were in a child board like the FAQ is but we could add,modify and delete posts it might work well.


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: fongie on February 24, 2010, 11:19:08 PM
Fantastic idea, allow a month for each subject for everyone to learn from and then delete  :thumb


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: Barefoot Rob on February 25, 2010, 02:51:37 AM
OK I got a wild idea.Someone with lots of time on there hands and some sort of cumputer skills {this of coarse leave's me out} go thru the old forum post and save them for a sticky.
If this gets put together I would be glad to reply to diagnostic questins.If its other then that I more then likely would PM my responce.If its something harmless I would post a responce but it needs to be understood up front that this is being done blind as I won't have guitar in had and any responce would more or less help you to talk with your local tech.
I know there are lots of DIYer's here so somesort of disclaimer should be added.Also if someone is going to respond it would be helpful if you stated were you got your knowledge from if you not a professional.I'm not putting anyone down with this statement as there are some very knowledgable people here who don't make a living doing it.But if your knowledge came from some web site referancing that site so people can read it for themselve's.
Some sort of sublisting would be great ie; setups,how lower the action,truss rod adjustments,string changing,what to look for when buying a guitar and so forth.

I don't see any reason to delete the info having a central page would be very helpful to all.


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: kwakatak on March 01, 2010, 08:06:45 PM
I voted "this is redundant" because there's already a technical FAQ section.


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: Danny on March 01, 2010, 08:11:43 PM
I voted "this is redundant" because there's already a technical FAQ section.
  That's not the same kind of thing I'm referring to. But it appears we don't have much interest in this as a separate sticky topic.


Title: Re: "TIPS" for repairs and refinish
Post by: cke on March 01, 2010, 08:45:37 PM
OK I got a wild idea.Someone with lots of time on there hands and some sort of cumputer skills {this of coarse leave's me out} go thru the old forum post and save them for a sticky.
If this gets put together I would be glad to reply to diagnostic questins.If its other then that I more then likely would PM my responce.If its something harmless I would post a responce but it needs to be understood up front that this is being done blind as I won't have guitar in had and any responce would more or less help you to talk with your local tech.
I know there are lots of DIYer's here so somesort of disclaimer should be added.Also if someone is going to respond it would be helpful if you stated were you got your knowledge from if you not a professional.I'm not putting anyone down with this statement as there are some very knowledgable people here who don't make a living doing it.But if your knowledge came from some web site referancing that site so people can read it for themselve's.
Some sort of sublisting would be great ie; setups,how lower the action,truss rod adjustments,string changing,what to look for when buying a guitar and so forth.

I don't see any reason to delete the info having a central page would be very helpful to all.

I think UnclRob has the right direction. Stickies on certain general topics:

i.e. "Replacing tuners"
      " Adjusting Action"
      "fret work"
      " Working with Nitro-cellulose"