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Title: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 22, 2009, 09:19:40 PM
     YUP. Jim is going to get us the information on pricing and timing. But we are going to be able to order some 00-03 MT's.
     There will only be one guitar NO options for this order a  00-03 MT
Please don't ask for other options. This is all Larrivee will make this time.

   So if we keep it simple as has been discussed in the 00-03 thread then we can get this done easily and quickly.

            So who will be in for sure? I know of 3 already including myself that are ready, but I'll let y'all say so.


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on November 22, 2009, 09:42:42 PM
if you want to have these labeled Forum IV I think that would be OK...

This is tempting.... 00 is really a nice lap size guitar.

I'll sticky this thread.



Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 22, 2009, 09:45:41 PM
  Well it really is a forum guitar. But I guess that's up to y'all. I would say sure.
    And a sticky would help. Thanks Randy


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Ge0ff on November 22, 2009, 09:48:17 PM
Hey Danny,

Sounds like a plan - I would be interested.

Thanks,

Geoff


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 22, 2009, 09:53:21 PM
Hey Danny,

Sounds like a plan - I would be interested.

Thanks,

Geoff
  OK that may make 4 already. But we will nail it all down this week. Just be sure to check back so when we are ready to make an order list you will be committed and probably need to make a deposit with Trinity Guitars.


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on November 23, 2009, 12:56:54 AM
Assuming that Jim wants to be the broker again (so we'll all be broke - er   :wink:), count me in, based on what he wrote me this morning.

I think it (the Forum IV?) should be:
00-03 Mahogany all around
12-fret
paddle-head, normal bridge
that's it.
Keep it inexpensive! 

Jim might be willing to bone the saddle them as he did with the FIII. 


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 23, 2009, 01:03:10 AM
Assuming that Jim wants to be the broker again (so we'll all be broke - er   :wink:), count me in, based on what he wrote me this morning.

I think it (the Forum IV?) should be:
00-03 Mahogany all around
12-fret
paddle-head, normal bridge
that's it.
Keep it inexpensive! 

Jim might be willing to bone the saddle them as he did with the FIII. 
  You got it. That is what is happening. Now there are 3 on this thread. Plus Mark (Q) expressed an interest in the other thread. So once he confirms or as others join in we move ahead quite quickly I believe.
        So should this be Forum IV?  May as well be, there can always be 5,6,7 etc.


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: gdeiss on November 23, 2009, 01:37:22 AM
Is there any information about nut width on this guitar?

Greg


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 23, 2009, 01:41:11 AM
Is there any information about nut width on this guitar?

Greg
It will be 1 3/4" that is the standard on these style 00's.


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: gitnoob on November 23, 2009, 02:17:57 AM
Any info on price?   I'm in if the pricing is the same as the street price for, say, an OM-03.

A 12-fret all-hog 00.   Who else even makes one of those?   Martin only offers the 00-15 as a 14-fretter, right?


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 23, 2009, 02:39:10 AM
Any info on price?   I'm in if the pricing is the same as the street price for, say, an OM-03.

A 12-fret all-hog 00.   Who else even makes one of those?   Martin only offers the 00-15 as a 14-fretter, right?
 Pricing will be clearer tomorrow. The Martin 15 series is out of production at the end of this year. Besides the 00-15 is sapele mostly and has a bracing that is not as appealing to me as the Larrivee OO bracing. OM-03 pricing ''street pricing" may be a little too low for these. But I am expecting a good value for a rare guitar that is only going to be rarer.
        I have never seen a Larrivee 00-** in all mahogany. I've only seen a picture of one 00-50 MT and that was put up today!


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on November 23, 2009, 02:45:25 AM
I suggest leaving the order process open for 1-2 weeks, as not everyone who might be interested checks into the forum every day, and it is the start of Thanksgiving week.

I think we should ask LArrivee if they have a way to get a couple instruments to Australia for a reasonable price if anyone there wants in.



Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: obe-wan on November 23, 2009, 03:51:32 AM

I think we should ask LArrivee if they have a way to get a couple instruments to Australia for a reasonable price if anyone there wants in.



Thanks for thinking of us Randy.  :thumbsup

Personally, as much as Id love one its a little to soon after my Martin purchase to be buying again, and Christmas is looming ($$$)...... And my wife would kill me. Yeah, that too....... :arrow


Cheers, Scott.


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on November 23, 2009, 05:02:34 AM
Can we get one down to Nova Scotia sounds pretty good to me how would the number system be derived ( I missed the whole Forum III thing  :crying: ) In order of deposit with Jim?


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tuffythepug on November 23, 2009, 05:14:03 AM
Can we get one down to Nova Scotia sounds pretty good to me how would the number system be derived ( I missed the whole Forum III thing  :crying: ) In order of deposit with Jim?

JOYCE
I imagine the numbering, if any,would be like the Forum III:  Number assigned when deposit received by Jim.  When I called him to place my order for the FIII he told me mine would be #3 of ___  and that's what it was.




Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 23, 2009, 05:23:51 AM
JOYCE
I imagine the numbering, if any,would be like the Forum III:  Number assigned when deposit received by Jim.  When I called him to place my order for the FIII he told me mine would be #3 of ___  and that's what it was.



 # 3 for the man who came up with 3 microdots on the 12th fret. This just doesn't feel right without (78) ricky. Where is that big smile anyway? Besides it would be good to rattle some brains a little with
                                                    BREAKING NEWS

 :roll :roll :roll :roll :roll :roll :roll :roll


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Johnny M on November 23, 2009, 06:01:19 AM
Out of all the forum guitars, this one sounds the most interesting to me.  I hope this thing floats for you guys as I'm sure you'll get some great guitars.

I'll be passing now on a 4th forum guitar ... gotta jump in there one of these days/years

John


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: gitnoob on November 23, 2009, 06:13:53 AM
Forum-4 has a nice ring to it.   Or maybe the 00-03-4M.   :bgrin:


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on November 23, 2009, 06:28:53 AM
This is pretty much my dream guitar spec at present.  Small, all hog, 12 fret.   Couldn't ask for more.  Except for the cash to jump on board.   I hope a load of people jump on this so that they come up used in due course, but it is so specific an order that I think it will be more limited than before.

Great stuff though guys, I really hope to get to play one one day!

 :cheers

Ben


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pennerblue on November 23, 2009, 07:10:27 AM
Enjoy.

But you are NOT going to suck me into this one....

RESIST!

 :nana_guitar


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Trinity Guitars on November 23, 2009, 12:30:47 PM
Oh Man here we go!!!!   Yes to the bone saddle.   I have a helper now that I have the new studio open. Her name is Kathy and she is doing a great job keeping me organized and on track. This keeps me more working on guitars and less doing paper work. Yes we can get a label and I think we can get JCL to sign them. Hats?  Did you like the hats? I was not expecting to be spending $1200 on hats the last time but is seamed like most liked the idea so I am willing to do it again. I can try to find a color that would go well with the Hog top. So for now I will work with Larrivee to get the pricing completed ASAP and let you know.
Jim Holler


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 23, 2009, 01:03:12 PM
Oh Man here we go!!!!   Yes to the bone saddle.   I have a helper now that I have the new studio open. Her name is Kathy and she is doing a great job keeping me organized and on track. This keeps me more working on guitars and less doing paper work. Yes we can get a label and I think we can get JCL to sign them. Hats?  Did you like the hats? I was not expecting to be spending $1200 on hats the last time but is seemed like most liked the idea so I am willing to do it again. I can try to find a color that would go well with the Hog top. So for now I will work with Larrivee to get the pricing completed ASAP and let you know.
Jim Holler
 Jim the hats are fine ,but I would rather see a T-shirt done with the Logo's. I don't know what those would be in cost though. I'd pay a few bucks extra for a heavy T done well that I could wear awhile until the logo's began to fade. Then I'd put it away. My hat from the F-III just hangs on my wall hook with the guitar. (I'm a cowboy hat guy myself.)

            The item at the TOP of my list is "South American Mahogany" not something called mahogany and resembling it very closely. Do you know if they will be built in Vancouver?


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on November 23, 2009, 01:11:51 PM
I'm in.
I don't care a whit about hats or t-shirts.
herringbone would be a nice touch, but I'm in with or w/o.
the Forum IV should probably have been an OM just for name's sake. (go ahead, say it out loud: "Forum IV OM".)
but I'm in. I'm in. how many time I gotta tell ya?
Numbers and signatures would be a nice touch, too.  :thumb
OK, I guess I'm in.


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 23, 2009, 01:14:27 PM
I'm in.
I don't care a whit about hats or t-shirts.
herringbone would be a nice touch, but I'm in with or w/o.
the Forum IV should probably have been an OM just for names' sake (go ahead, say it out loud: "Forum IV OM")
but I'm in. I'm in. how many time I gotta tell ya?
Numbers and signatures would be a nice touch, too.  :thumb
OK, I guess I'm in.
  There you have it folks; We now have enough on this order to get it done. So it's just how many more now.


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: eded on November 23, 2009, 01:25:45 PM
the Forum IV should probably have been an OM just for name's sake. (go ahead, say it out loud: "Forum IV OM".)

I was thinking Forum IV as in...  IV (pronounced eye vee), like an injection of guitar...  uhm, er,  nevermind.  In my defense, I *did* grow up in the 70s.

Ed


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on November 23, 2009, 01:47:01 PM
gitnoob is on to something though...
Forum 4M (m for mahogany)
who's the lucky one gets #4?
Forum 4M 4


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frederico on November 23, 2009, 01:48:25 PM
I just ordered a L03R from Jim last week.  Should I have known about this 00-03MT coming I might have order it instead :drool:

Now you guys put me into a difficult position, should I change order or double up?  :blush:
When can I see the complete spec and price? :nana_guitar


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on November 23, 2009, 02:53:51 PM
I just ordered a L03R from Jim last week.  Should I have known about this 00-03MT coming I might have order it instead

Now you guys put me into a difficult position, should I change order or double up?  When can I see the complete spec and price?
No reason not have two Larrivees, is there?  But Jim might be able to nix the L03R order if you contact him asap.

Specs?  Pretty basic, as befits a hog-top guitar (from what we understand about the history of such):
1.75" nut
00-03 body (non-gloss)
South American mahogany (we hope) and one-piece neck
no special trim (although herringbone does class it up a little, if the option is there)
bone saddle (if Jim brokers it before sending it to you)
12-fret
paddlehead (not a slot-head, which is more traditional perhaps but more expensive)

Label is nice.  I really don't care how the numbering is done, as long as none of us gets our g-string in a knot requesting one.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: scdreger on November 23, 2009, 03:41:11 PM
I would certainly be interested. I am loving my second hand FIII. I'll stay tuned for pricing, timeline, etc.  :thumbsup


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 23, 2009, 03:46:40 PM
                                                   THESE SEEM TO BE COMMITTED AS OF TODAY


1- Queequeg
2- Ge0ff
3- prof_stack
4- JOYCEfromNS
5- dependan

                           Randy and a few others have expressed some interest. I'm sure Jim Holler will get 1 or 2 also.
         
                           Mark (Queequeg) will have no. 1 on this run. The rest of us will fall into place somehow. :thumbsup


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Blue in VT on November 23, 2009, 03:54:35 PM
 :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy:

You guys are EVIL......sigh

Blue


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on November 23, 2009, 03:55:48 PM
I just ordered a L03R from Jim last week.  Should I have known about this 00-03MT coming I might have order it instead :drool:

Now you guys put me into a difficult position, should I change order or double up?  :blush:
When can I see the complete spec and price? :nana_guitar

Double up Double up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :roll :thumbsup


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frederico on November 23, 2009, 04:04:25 PM
Double up Double up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :roll :thumbsup

I echo Blue, you guys are "Evil" :humour:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 23, 2009, 04:18:09 PM
  I would like to say that this has evolved in less than one day from a small special order to being the Forum IV. So I want to say to the Forum members. Please join in the discussion and be involved in the process if you care to.
          
                     I would prefer to step back and see the Forum take charge now.

    Since Mark (Queequeg) is a moderator and ordering one and Randy always helps us out, I think they would be the best ones to coordinate this and see it all through.


 modified; do you know how hard it is for me to not finish what I started? I may never learn to "step back"


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on November 23, 2009, 04:59:57 PM
Forum IV  already.  Nice.  Keep the economy moving (sort of) along.  Agreed that a 2-week ordering period would be prudent. 

Would a forum mass-emailing be appropriate (hint to mods)?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 23, 2009, 05:24:15 PM
Good luck everyone. I think I'm going to enjoy watching this from the sidelines this time. However, if there is another factory tour, I might not be able to stay away.

I have to ask, what's with November? It was last November that the FIII got off the ground.

Best of luck to everyone.

Lynda

PS to anybody who is/could be on the fence...just do it. I jumped on the FIII and off again in two days. I spent all of December going back and forth on the guitar. It seemed that every day, I was on or I was off. Fortunately, my brain caught up and I put down my second deposit on December 31st.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 23, 2009, 05:37:56 PM
Danny,

I really think you need to take Ricky's place with all the BREAKING NEWS  alerts on this one.  :cheers


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: noyage on November 23, 2009, 05:40:02 PM
Not sure if I missed it - what will be the string spacing at the saddle?  2-3/16" ?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 23, 2009, 05:43:34 PM
Danny,

I really think you need to take Ricky's place with all the BREAKING NEWS  alerts on this one.  :cheers
  Maybe once or twice. :laughin:
Not sure if I missed it - what will be the string spacing at the saddle?  2-3/16" ?
  Unless we hear otherwise it should be.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 23, 2009, 05:44:52 PM
  Maybe once or twice. :laughin: 

Nope, sorry. If you're jumping on this one too, I think you need to be the one.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BlastersFan55 on November 23, 2009, 06:01:42 PM
Good luck with this latest Forum axe,,,,sounds like a sweet little guitar!

Gonna stay on the sidelines myself.  But, I have to tell you that one of, if not the best move I ever made was getting involved in the F-III deal.  I absolutely love that guitar - it's all hog, and I'm using it for blues fingerstyle and shuffles, and it's so comfortable and easy to play for me.  I'm tempted by the F- IV, but have to hang back!    :wink:





Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on November 23, 2009, 06:07:34 PM

Would a forum mass-emailing be appropriate (hint to mods)?
If I recall correctly, we are pledged not to do mass mailings.
Likely a good policy, in the long run.
Word generally spreads like wildfire around here anyway, without any undue interloping from those moderator types.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: sniggs on November 23, 2009, 06:20:17 PM
can someone post or PM me the likely cost (ball park) of this guitar please.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: sniggs on November 23, 2009, 06:30:46 PM
  We won't post it. Because new prices are not put up in posts on the forum by the rules of the forum.
                         E-mail me with your e-mail address and when we find out I'll e-mail you. Or make two more posts and you can start receiving PM's. Right now you can't use the PM option. You need 10 posts first.
                   dependan@gmail.com


cheers for that! just one needed now  :smile:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: sniggs on November 23, 2009, 06:35:14 PM
 OK if you could PM me the price,I know it's not been set yet but just a ball park figure work be great for now thanks.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: noyage on November 23, 2009, 06:39:27 PM
Unless we hear otherwise it should be.

Thanks Danny. If it was 2-1/4" or more it would be hard to resist.  My G.A.S. has subsided (thankfully)...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on November 23, 2009, 06:46:25 PM
Would be on board for a hat and Tee thats for sure BUT what about a nice embroidered strap???? I know I would pay extra for that!!!! :thumbsup


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on November 23, 2009, 06:50:29 PM
Giddy-up folks I got my deposit into Jim already Sounds like #4 is coming to Nova Scotia   :guitar   :guitar   :guitar  :guitar :drool:  We got enough for it to happen for sure!!!!!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: scdreger on November 23, 2009, 06:55:46 PM
Hi can someone please PM me the cost (if known), and the amount of deposit necessary to get started? Thanks. This sounds like a  :nice guitar:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: sniggs on November 23, 2009, 06:57:39 PM
whats the likely turn around for these guitars?

and the strap idea sounds better to me than the T or hat

I'm guessing no pick guard on these?

whats the chance of getting a nice wood rosette on these? I think that would make all the difference to the guitar!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on November 23, 2009, 07:36:01 PM
I too may be in for one, what is the price?

-James

 :cheers


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 23, 2009, 07:40:23 PM
whats the likely turn around for these guitars?

and the strap idea sounds better to me than the T or hat

I'm guessing no pick guard on these?

whats the chance of getting a nice wood rosette on these? I think that would make all the difference to the guitar!
No PG I imagine, or a choice of clear or tortoise. The rosette will not be a "special wood one" If you look at the posts in the beginning we want this affordable. I don't know yet, but herringbone is a good possibility for the rosette.
       We are saying leave the thread order open for a few weeks so it will be awhile before these get started. And the finish date will depend on how many get ordered. I would guess lat January at the earliest. But all these details take a bit of time to flesh out.
I too may be in for one, what is the price?

-James

 :cheers
We should know later today and can PM you or e-mail with the price. Jim Holler with Trinity Guitars is working on that today.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: sniggs on November 23, 2009, 07:53:24 PM
yeah I agree it needs to be affordable but I was only throwing a few ideas around, or have the final specs been agreed?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: gdeiss on November 23, 2009, 08:06:56 PM
I, too, would appreciate a PM on the approximate cost of this guitar when it becomes known.

Thanks,

Greg


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on November 23, 2009, 08:27:36 PM
Please add me to the list of people who would like to get the price via PM.

Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on November 23, 2009, 08:42:13 PM
It will be very interesting to see where Larrivee and Jim H put the price point on this guitar.  Will they have to charge more due to wood scarcity or inflation.  But will they have to consider the economy and price it so that more orders come in and volume of scale kicks in?  Enquiring minds want to know. 

My estimate would be somewhere around $1,200 (or maybe that's my limit  :roll).  But if Larrivee needs only 4 orders to get it going, then who knows?)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Dotneck on November 23, 2009, 09:09:30 PM
My estimate would be somewhere around $1,200 (or maybe that's my limit  :roll).  But if Larrivee needs only 4 orders to get it going, then who knows?)

I would expect it to be similarly priced to the F3...although I think Larrivee has had a price increase within the past year....


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: sniggs on November 23, 2009, 09:42:02 PM
I suggest a closing date for orders,so this thing doesn't lose momentum,that will give those not aware of this to get involved and also keep those that have shown interest on board.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tuffythepug on November 23, 2009, 10:00:18 PM
I suggest a closing date for orders,so this thing doesn't lose momentum,that will give those not aware of this to get involved and also keep those that have shown interest on board.


If this is anything like the Forum III project you don't need to worry about keeping momentum alive.  I have a feeling there will be daily posts about the Forum IV from now until (and after) completion.  Congratulations to all of you who will be participating in this Forum IV order.   I'm sure it will be very special.   :thumb


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 23, 2009, 10:00:58 PM
I suggest a closing date for orders,so this thing doesn't lose momentum,that will give those not aware of this to get involved and also keep those that have shown interest on board.
 It won't lose momentum. It's only a question of how many will be participating. We will leave it open for at least a few weeks for sure.
        All these matters we have been through on a much larger scale with the F-III, so many members in the forum know the way to take here.
         Patience is advised for sure at first. I have already "cooled" myself down, I was ready to do this alone if I had to.
         It's much better this way, for everybody. Just takes a little more time.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: es-335 on November 23, 2009, 10:14:29 PM
Good luck guys!

one question, is it deep bodied?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 23, 2009, 10:16:46 PM
Good luck guys!

one question, is it deep bodied?
  They are a little deeper than the F-III was.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on November 23, 2009, 10:18:17 PM
Good luck guys!

one question, is it deep bodied?

8" at the end pin?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: es-335 on November 23, 2009, 10:22:34 PM
8" at the end pin?

not 8 inches deep lol but nick lucas deep.. (over 4.5 inches i believe)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 23, 2009, 10:26:13 PM
  Not as deep as a Nick Lucas. The maple on the right is a 00, the middle is a F-III, far left OM-21

(http://inlinethumb36.webshots.com/44643/2836492190104334565S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2836492190104334565fzNbFS)

   Randy posted the specs. below to a 00 Larrivee. And the depth says 4'', but I have seen them larger, more around 4 3/8'' or so. I think you can see that it is wider than the F-III in the picture above. And my F-III is slightly wider than 4''.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frederico on November 23, 2009, 11:59:34 PM
Have final specs and pricing been announced yet?  :doh


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 12:02:58 AM
Have final specs and pricing been announced yet?  :doh
no not yet. sorry.  We are barely into the first full day of this though, so it may take a few to get everything sorted out and nailed down.

                   If I know something I'll post it. And we may hear from Jim or Q etc.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on November 24, 2009, 12:55:45 AM
Keep counting me in...my wife is going to kill me, but oh well.

Women come and go, a lady hog will never leave you!!!

She is pretty understanding, but, again I just bought 3 Larrivee's in 2 weeks...

-James :nana_guitar :humour: :nana_guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on November 24, 2009, 12:59:26 AM
OO-body
· Lower Bout: 14"
· Upper Bout: 10"
· Waist: 8.25"
· Depth: 4"
· Scale Length: 25.5", 12fret to body
· Nut Width: 1 & 3/4"" (44.3mm or 1.75")
. Length 19-1/8"

btw. I'm probably going to pass on this order, even though I'd dearly love a mahogany/MT 00.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 01:17:14 AM
         I just got an e-mail from Jim Holler with Trinity Guitars

There will only be one guitar NO options for this order a  00-03 MT
Please don't ask for other options. This is all Larrivee will make this time.

    Pricing has not come in yet, so be patient and we will know soon enough.


   As far as the exact specs. let's wait a bit on the rosette and headstock etc. We will know soon.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on November 24, 2009, 02:09:21 AM
Does anyone have Jim's email or where a deposit should be sent...and how much...

-James

 :nana_guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 02:14:17 AM
Does anyone have Jim's email or where a deposit should be sent...and how much...

-James

 :nana_guitar
 Go here http://www.trinityguitars.com/  and e-mail form his web-site  Or this jimholler@trinityguitars.com

I'm not sure of the deposit yet, hopefully Jim will have pricing by tomorrow. He needs a chance to catch a breath right now I think. Too many e-mails about options and such. You can imagine all the different questions just by looking at this thread.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on November 24, 2009, 02:22:41 AM
Thanks...

-James :thumbsup


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 02:28:48 AM
..... have the final specs been agreed?
        I just got an e-mail from Jim Holler with Trinity Guitars

There will only be one guitar NO options for this order a  00-03 MT
Please don't ask for other options. This is all Larrivee will make this time.

    Pricing has not come in yet, so be patient and we will know soon enough.


   As far as the exact specs. let's wait a bit on the rosette and headstock etc. We will know soon.
 I just want to be sure this is seen by members so I may pop it back in a few more times. (sorry)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: sniggs on November 24, 2009, 02:38:12 AM
sorry I fail to see why you felt it necessary to quote me!dependan have I made the mistake of asking a question on a guitar that is for the forum!


Edit,thanks for editing my quote asking about the rosette,which as yet still has not been decided on,once the full spec has been chosen then I would not think about trying to change it,but suggesting one aspect of the spec, on an as then an undecided spec, was something I thought this thread was about.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 02:40:31 AM
sorry I fail to see why you felt it necessary to quote me!dependan have I made the mistake of asking a question on a guitar that is for the forum!
 Ha HA, everybody get's me wrong.  I'll modify it. You didn't do anything wrong. You asked the right question!

  Oh and the part I want to be seen is ONE GUITAR NO OPTIONS, so Jim doesn't have to answer 100's of questions about options Larrivee will not allow on this one.
                                                                           


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 02:46:49 AM
  I'm outta here for awhile.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on November 24, 2009, 03:04:17 AM
Well done Danny :+1:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: teh on November 24, 2009, 03:05:16 AM
This will make a great alternative to the old Martins (00-15 and 00-17) from yesteryear but in a 12 fret model.

Check out the list price of 12 fret Martin models in current production and go to the boutique/small builders. Then check back here in a few days to check out the price on the 00-03MT.



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frasier1 on November 24, 2009, 03:54:01 AM
Count me in on this venture - I wouldn't miss it!

I like the Herringbone idea - other than that, just keep it nice and simple and put the
"extras" in the sound!

 :donut :donut2 :donut :donut2 :donut :donut2 :coffee :coffee :coffee         :nana_guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 04:06:23 AM
     I think I counted over 7 committed on this thread now and another 7 needing pricing to proceed. Plus some are PMing and no doubt Jim is receiving some serious inquiries.
     So fifteen may be a conservative figure for seriously interested forum members.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jrdavies on November 24, 2009, 04:35:10 AM


   :+1:   I'm in, assuming that it is within my budget.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tuffythepug on November 24, 2009, 07:14:12 AM
At the risk of sounding a bit self-serving I hope at least one person orders a lefty.  I can't get one myself but I'd like to know that one day there is at least a possibility that I might get a chance to play one.   Where's Bhika and Bluesman67 and the rest of you lefties ?  Are any of you in ?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Blue in VT on November 24, 2009, 02:46:47 PM
 :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

You guys are crazy....have fun with this one too....if it were short scale I'd be in....maybe the next one... :whistling: again... :crying:

Blue


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 02:54:57 PM
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

You guys are crazy....have fun with this one too....if it were short scale I'd be in....maybe the next one... :whistling: again... :crying:

Blue
 Come on blue.. this would compliment your OM-MT like Tuffy's 000-MT and F-III MT.
  I know you would love the size.  Anyway don't let me persuade you to do anything you don't want to.                             (Just a crazy ole guitar enthusiast)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 24, 2009, 03:00:46 PM
Lynn, maybe you ought to check with Mike or John regarding possible lefty orders. :roll


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tuffythepug on November 24, 2009, 03:21:55 PM
Lynn, maybe you ought to check with Mike or John regarding possible lefty orders. :roll

Of course.   How could I have forgotten.   Come on Johnny37 and VancouverSouthpaw, grab one of these  :bgrin:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Blue in VT on November 24, 2009, 03:36:15 PM
 Come on blue.. this would compliment your OM-MT like Tuffy's 000-MT and F-III MT.
  I know you would love the size.  Anyway don't let me persuade you to do anything you don't want to.                             (Just a crazy ole guitar enthusiast)

 :cop: :cop:

Oh its not a matter of wanting too Dan....there is no shortage of desire I can assure you....its the other limiting factors that will make this one impossible...I would probably opt for the spruce topped one anyway...as a foil to my OM as opposed to a complement....I do love hog tops though...and 00 is my favorite size guitar.....and I love this forum...and want to be a part of the "in crowd" on one of these forum guitar runs....hence the  :crying:

 :cheers

Blue


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on November 24, 2009, 03:39:14 PM
OK.....count me in on this.  I don't care about any specs as long as it's a 00, all mahogany 1 3/4" nut.  Bone nut and saddle would be nice but if it's Tusq, it's Tusq....other than that binding doesn't matter, rosette doesn't matter....


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Blue in VT on November 24, 2009, 03:46:01 PM
 :nanadance :nana_guitar

Nice Denis...this is right up your alley....it will be like your old Parlor MT...but on steroids!

Blue


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 03:51:27 PM
:cop: :cop:

Oh its not a matter of wanting too Dan....there is no shortage of desire I can assure you....its the other limiting factors that will make this one impossible...I would probably opt for the spruce topped one anyway...as a foil to my OM as opposed to a complement....I do love hog tops though...and 00 is my favorite size guitar.....and I love this forum...and want to be a part of the "in crowd" on one of these forum guitar runs....hence the  :crying:

 :cheers

Blue

There will be more Forum guitars. I know of one in the works now. At least in a members serious consideration. But I don't know any specifics, I bet it will be very special though.
OK.....count me in on this.  I don't care about any specs as long as it's a 00, all mahogany 1 3/4" nut.  Bone nut and saddle would be nice but if it's Tusq, it's Tusq....other than that binding doesn't matter, rosette doesn't matter....
  We will have a bone saddle from Jim Holler. The rest will be standard 00-03 MT. Though I myself am not clear yet on the rosette. I agree on the S. American Mahogany. It just needs to be the real deal.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on November 24, 2009, 03:52:27 PM
:nanadance :nana_guitar

Nice Denis...this is right up your alley....it will be like your old Parlor MT...but on steroids!

Blue

Yeah, I need something different from the LS-03 which is really outstanding...all mahogany in a plain jane 00, I wouldn't ask for more....all though it would seem that my wishes from back in 2005 are coming true....I wished Larrivee would make an LS-03...and now I've got one.  I wished rthey would make a 00-03...and now they're making one...and an all hog one at that.  I should do all my wishing here!

There won't be a bone saddle for me if I can have it shipped directly from Vancouver like the FIII though Dan...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: noyage on November 24, 2009, 04:02:52 PM
dependan said the string spacing at the saddle will be 2-3/16" "unless we hear otherwise". To be sure, I queried the source (Jim Holler) and he said the string spacing will be whatever the 00-50 was.  I recall asking the Forum before about this and Queequeg measured 2-1/4"!

http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=20797.msg184514#msg184514

My day is now ruined as G.A.S. has resumed...




Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 04:24:12 PM
dependan said the string spacing at the saddle will be 2-3/16" "unless we hear otherwise". To be sure, I queried the source (Jim Holler) and he said the string spacing will be whatever the 00-50 was.  I recall asking the Forum before about this and Queequeg measured 2-1/4"!

http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=20797.msg184514#msg184514

My day is now ruined as G.A.S. has resumed...



    I thought the 00-50 was different because of the slot head neck, than the 00 paddle head series. My 00-09 seemed the same as other Larrivees I have owned. But I hope I'm wrong.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: noyage on November 24, 2009, 04:37:30 PM
I thought the 00-50 was different because of the slot head neck, than the 00 paddle head series. My 00-09 seemed the same as other Larrivees I have owned. But I hope I'm wrong.

I'm pretty certain the 00-05/00-09 had the bridge used in the OM's which is 2-3/16" while the 000's and 00's had the pyramid bridge (2-1/4"):

(http://www.nationalguitar.com/national_guitar_guitars_acoustic_electric/guitar_images/Larrivee00-60_skycat.jpg)

00-09:

(http://www.elderly.com/vintage/items/images/20U/20U-12509_front.jpg)

I'm sure to some folks it seems esoteric but it makes a big difference to me and perhaps others who don't use a pick.
My Silver Creek T-160 (2-5/16") and Harmony H-165 (2-1/4") both make life easier for my right hand.




Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 04:44:30 PM
  There is some confusion there. You said in your first post it would be the same as a 00-50    But that is the pyramid bridge and the 00-03 is a standard bridge. I would need to see the specs. from Larrivee to be sure.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: noyage on November 24, 2009, 04:52:10 PM
Jim said the string spacing would be "what ever the old 00-50 was" which apparently was 2-1/4".  As far as I know, the standard bridges are always 2-3/16".


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on November 24, 2009, 04:54:22 PM
There won't be a bone saddle for me if I can have it shipped directly from Vancouver like the FIII though Dan...

Denis is there any kind of saving in having direct shipment for us Canucks? Cause the Bone saddle from Jim seems pretty attractive!!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 05:04:30 PM
Denis is there any kind of saving in having direct shipment for us Canucks? Cause the Bone saddle from Jim seems pretty attractive!!!
  You will get it much quicker and I believe there is a savings in duties etc.
OK.....count me in on this.  I don't care about any specs as long as it's a 00, all mahogany 1 3/4" nut.  Bone nut and saddle would be nice but if it's Tusq, it's Tusq....other than that binding doesn't matter, rosette doesn't matter....


                    Jim e-mailed and said he has requested South American Mahogany.
                                                (still no price yet though)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on November 24, 2009, 05:08:50 PM
hey, a pyramid bridge would be OK with me.
One thing about all these forum guitars is there is always pressure to keep them plain and low priced as possible. Nothing wrong with that, but maybe one out of 4 or 5 Forum guitars could possibly be dressed up a bit. This is the reason I havent participated in the Forum guitars in the past. I wanted this one because I just lost my 00-60.
Anyway, this F-IV is done and I don't want to open up that can of worms again, but if this ships with a pyramid bridge, I won't be sending it back.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 05:14:49 PM
        I just got an e-mail from Jim Holler with Trinity Guitars

There will only be one guitar NO options for this order a  00-03 MT
Please don't ask for other options. This is all Larrivee will make this time.

    Pricing has not come in yet, so be patient and we will know soon enough.


   As far as the exact specs. let's wait a bit on the rosette and headstock etc. We will know soon.
    We'll know specifics soon I hope. Jim has requested South American Mahogany.


Title: Re: 00-03MT special order by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: rpm60912 on November 24, 2009, 05:25:01 PM
 # 3 for the man who came up with 3 microdots on the 12th fret. This just doesn't feel right without (78) ricky. Where is that big smile anyway? Besides it would be good to rattle some brains a little with
                                                    BREAKING NEWS

 :roll :roll :roll :roll :roll :roll :roll :roll

Danny, a 3-day old thread with 6 pages and counting. Wow!

#78 is alive and well, thank you. Scott (obe-wan) thanks for the PM - just got busy lately.

My OO-09 went to its new owner who donated $2500 to feed 50 children for 6 months - less than a year after I purchased it in Nov 21, 2008.

So, I could use another OO - and have a first taste of an all-hog and join Tuffy's all-hog true-forumite club!!!
 :laughin: :laughin: :laughin: :smile: :smile: :smile:

For me to get in on this - Work for my wife's business and she pays me this FIV-all-hog OO.

Interested but not in (yet),

ricky, #78


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 24, 2009, 05:27:03 PM
Danny, a 3-day old thread with 5 pages and counting. Wow!

#78 is alive and well, thank you. Scott (obe-wan) thanks for the PM - just got busy lately.

My OO-09 went to its new owner who donated $2500 to feed 50 children for 6 months - less than a year after I purchased it in Nov 21, 2008.

So, I could use another OO - and have a first taste of an all-hog and join Tuffy's all-hog true-forumite club!!!
 :laughin: :laughin: :laughin: :smile: :smile: :smile:

For me to get in on this - Work for my wife's business and she pays me this FIV-all-hog OO.

Interested but not in (yet),

ricky, #78


I should have known you were lurking out there. I know you can't stay away.

On another note, has anybody confirmed that direct Canadian shipping will be available this time?

And Danny, I'm sorry I volunteered you to continue to run with this thread.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 05:29:37 PM
Danny, a 3-day old thread with 6 pages and counting. Wow!

#78 is alive and well, thank you. Scott (obe-wan) thanks for the PM - just got busy lately.

My OO-09 went to its new owner who donated $2500 to feed 50 children for 6 months - less than a year after I purchased it in Nov 21, 2008.

So, I could use another OO - and have a first taste of an all-hog and join Tuffy's all-hog true-forumite club!!!
 :laughin: :laughin: :laughin: :smile: :smile: :smile:

For me to get in on this - Work for my wife's business and she pays me this FIV-all-hog OO.

Interested but not in (yet),

ricky, #78

  ricky..ricky...ricky  HELP. You know how I come across. We need you Bro. The GRIN will WIN.                                                Glad to see ya are alive and kickin.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: rpm60912 on November 24, 2009, 05:32:06 PM
I should have known you were lurking out there. I know you can't stay away.

On another note, has anybody confirmed that direct Canadian shipping will be available this time?

And Danny, I'm sorry I volunteered you to continue to run with this thread.

Lynda - thanks for the picks. I received them. I've been bugging Beth to mail you the you know what - it's her first day back from a business trip in Vancouver. PM or email me for Skype.

Hey, would a local pickup be available - I take it the FIV will be coming out of the Vancouver plant?

Local pickup please? No extra expense for brokerage fees for Canadians. And United Airlines is only south of the border so we're safe with Westjet and scAirCanada.

ricky


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on November 24, 2009, 05:37:20 PM
    We'll know specifics soon I hope. Jim has requested South American Mahogany.
Danny I know this one has no options. But I was only suggesting that might be nice if some day there was a tricked out Forum.
Not this time.
But maybe some time...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 24, 2009, 05:37:38 PM
Hey, Tuf,

Here's one lefty who is planning to be in on this one! (I missed out on the Forum III and really regretted it.) Not sure how I'm going to swing it, because I'm very serious about getting the RS-4 in the next few weeks...

I'd also smile if herringbone rosette was one of the options, but it's not critical (same with pyramid bridge). I like the rest of the specs: size, 12 fret, hog-top.

Looking forward, like everyone, to pricing and deposit details.  :+1:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: es-335 on November 24, 2009, 05:42:34 PM
Maybe Forum V could be a Jumbo... Maple b/s... bling'd out...

maybe in 2 years.. when I have enough fund...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: rpm60912 on November 24, 2009, 05:43:03 PM
I'd also smile if herringbone rosette

and herringbone purfling too?

...will give the FIV a classic look.

ricky


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 05:45:30 PM
Hey, would a local pickup be available - I take it the FIV will be coming out of the Vancouver plant?

Local pickup please? No extra expense for brokerage fees for Canadians. And United Airlines is only south of the border so we're safe with Westjet and scAirCanada.

ricky
 We are not 100% sure on Vancouver, but all the 03 series have been coming out of there. So local seems possible for Canadians to me (as well as those who could make a trip across the border)

Danny I know this one has no options. But I was only suggesting that might be nice if some day there was a tricked out Forum.
Not this time.
But maybe some time...
 That's cool, I needed an excuse to put the one guitar no options up again anyway. It saves time for us and especially for Jim Holler at Trinity Guitars. As first time readers see this they will not wade through the pages. So I'll probably put it up again, or hopefully we will have nailed down specifications and pricing soon to post.                           (Of course I won't POST the price here just that we have it now)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 05:49:52 PM
and herringbone purfling too?

...will give the FIV a classic look.

ricky
 And would match the F-III, but we will have to take what they offer, unless so many get ordered that they will be a little more flexible.  I think we will have 4 X's what they were requiring when we started. Four was all that we needed and I can see sixteen now. And maybe more to come. Of course pricing will make or break the deal for some.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 05:53:21 PM
Hey, Tuf,

Here's one lefty who is planning to be in on this one! (I missed out on the Forum III and really regretted it.) Not sure how I'm going to swing it, because I'm very serious about getting the RS-4 in the next few weeks...

I'd also smile if herringbone rosette was one of the options, but it's not critical (same with pyramid bridge). I like the rest of the specs: size, 12 fret, hog-top.

Looking forward, like everyone, to pricing and deposit details.  :+1:
 H-bone would be my choice as well. Now that we have at least one "southpaw" on board we know we will succeed.  :thumbsup                            (notice it is his left hand with the thumbs up)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on November 24, 2009, 06:00:04 PM
   Hi all. Have been under the weather for over a month, sign into the Forum, & now the F-IV has evolved! I have to get the price before I can commit. And sell the stuff I promised my wife I would for my F-III! Lynda, Dan, Lynn, Ricky, & all, glad to see you're keeping the project going & will come to fruition. My best regards!
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 24, 2009, 06:02:13 PM
   Hi all. Have been under the weather for over a month, sign into the Forum, & now the F-IV has evolved! I have to get the price before I can commit. And sell the stuff I promised my wife I would for my F-III! Lynda, Dan, Lynn, Ricky, & all, glad to see you're keeping the project going & will come to fruition. My best regards!
     Jeff

Jeff,

Actually, I'm just watching this one from the sidelines this time which is fun I must admit. Of course I will enable when and where I can. I sat on the fence for far too long on the Forum III and there was no reason to.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 06:06:24 PM
  Hi Jeff, we'll save a spot for you. Glad to hear from you and sorry to hear your under the weather.                               Get well bud.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on November 24, 2009, 06:13:02 PM
   Lynda & Dan, thanks. Having one of my knees replaced in January. Played too much basketball & family history of OA. Need both done, so I flipped a coin! :humour:
   Lynda, hope your playing is going well with the teacher you like. Makes all of the difference. And Dan, you sound like you're doing well & as usual, have a way to get this dream guitar. I thought about it & decided a OO would be a nice addition, esp. this one! :wave
     Jeff
   


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 06:29:03 PM
  Cool.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on November 24, 2009, 06:33:25 PM
   Dan, what do we do when you reach 5,000 posts? Take up a collection for an F-IV for you? :humour:   Wouldn't that be a nice Christmas gift? :bgrin:
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: rpm60912 on November 24, 2009, 06:39:28 PM
May I think out loud here?

PRICE - If Jim can sell the P-03 IS/hog with H-bone purfling for south of 800, I would hope the FIV will be in the same price range?

SPECS - This is exciting. Simple specs.

ALL South American Mahogany (and all the standard features of Larrivee - maple binding, ebony fretboard, etc).

Although they did go to 3-piece necks that look to my eyes like a 1-piece. This is not an issue to me, maybe a deal-breaker for the 1-piece advocates.

HERRINGBONE rosette AND purfling - (if there's enough orders, perhaps this could be Standard - no additional cost)

ricky


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Blue in VT on November 24, 2009, 06:43:27 PM

Although they did go to 3-piece necks that look to my eyes like a 1-piece. This is not an issue to me, maybe a deal-breaker for the 1-piece advocates.


What... :?  I missed this tidbit....when did that happen...can you point me to details?

Please put me on the list to get the price too...I don't think I can make it happen but if the deal is good enough... :whistling:

Blue


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Dotneck on November 24, 2009, 06:51:02 PM
I'll go on the list for a price check too. I do have my quota of 03 grade Larrivees, though. But Ricky got me thinking....if it can sell under $800. Ricky is that $800 US or $800 of your money? I never did a price check on a parlor...no interest there....


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on November 24, 2009, 06:52:39 PM
 That's cool, I needed an excuse to put the one guitar no options up again anyway.
What about substitutions?????   :laughin:

Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: rpm60912 on November 24, 2009, 06:52:46 PM
What... :?  I missed this tidbit....when did that happen...can you point me to details?

Blue, Larrivee did the 3-piece neck on the P-03 limited run this summer.

I'm not sure if they are doing it for all the models. Others are more informed about this - so they may chime in.

ricky


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: rpm60912 on November 24, 2009, 06:56:21 PM
I'll go on the list for a price check too. I do have my quota of 03 grade Larrivees, though. But Ricky got me thinking....if it can sell under $800. Ricky is that $800 US or $800 of your money? I never did a price check on a parlor...no interest there....

Go to the Trinity Guitars website. I haven't been there lately, but they do have the P-03 limited run with the USD price of under 800.

Thankfully for us Canucks (not the hockey team - sorry, diehard Oilers fan here) - the exchange rate is good.

Our Canadian disney dollar is almost at par with USD. I'd have to be a billionaire to afford an FIV with our Philippine pesos.

ricky


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on November 24, 2009, 07:04:30 PM
Denis is there any kind of saving in having direct shipment for us Canucks? Cause the Bone saddle from Jim seems pretty attractive!!!

Joyce, on the FIII LS-03, all I paid was GST.  No PST as it's coming from another province, no shipping costs, no brokerage fees...and taxes on those either....I can get my local tech to install a new bone saddle for less than what it would cost me to have Larrivee ship to Jim, then I'd pay Jim for shipping, brokerage fees, PST and GST!!!  So yeah, a lot of savings.

Now...where are we at with this?

I wouldn't care if it was no purfling, no rosette, with maple binding, Pings and Tusq....those things are secondary to it being a full scale, all mahogany 12 fret 00.  That's all I need.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on November 24, 2009, 07:20:38 PM
   If this thing comes through under $1000 US, it's a no-brainer. Take it from a guy with no brain! :humour:  Figure a little less than the F-III's, based on the size, no IS top, but SA HOG instead of Sapele? Would sure sweeten the deal! Wishful thinking maybe, but makes sense? :?
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 07:22:38 PM
May I think out loud here?

PRICE - If Jim can sell the P-03 IS/hog with H-bone purfling for south of ***, I would hope the FIV will be in the same price range?

SPECS - This is exciting. Simple specs.

ALL South American Mahogany (and all the standard features of Larrivee - maple binding, ebony fretboard, etc).

Although they did go to 3-piece necks that look to my eyes like a 1-piece. This is not an issue to me, maybe a deal-breaker for the 1-piece advocates.

HERRINGBONE rosette AND purfling - (if there's enough orders, perhaps this could be Standard - no additional cost)

ricky
 ricky I think the price posting is too much speculation at this time. The rest is great to think about.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on November 24, 2009, 07:22:42 PM
   Sorry. Saw the post by Jim saying he would do the bone saddle. A little cheaper than the $1200 he spent for the F-III hats?
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 24, 2009, 07:22:52 PM
Personally, given the choice between a 3-piece neck under $1K and a one-piece neck for a couple hundred more ... call me crazy ... I'd rather stick with Larrivee's tradition of a one-piece neck.  

While Larrivee may have to start building Taylor/Martin style low end guitars soon to stay competitive, I don't look forward to that day.  


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 07:24:34 PM
   Price speculation can lead to disappointments for sure and needless posts. We just need to be a little more patient and we'll all know.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 07:30:58 PM
 This is still all we know at this point
        I just got an e-mail from Jim Holler with Trinity Guitars

There will only be one guitar NO options for this order a  00-03 MT
Please don't ask for other options. This is all Larrivee will make this time.

    Pricing has not come in yet, so be patient and we will know soon enough.


   As far as the exact specs. let's wait a bit on the rosette and headstock etc. We will know soon.
Joyce, on the FIII LS-03, all I paid was GST.  No PST as it's coming from another province, no shipping costs, no brokerage fees...and taxes on those either....I can get my local tech to install a new bone saddle for less than what it would cost me to have Larrivee ship to Jim, then I'd pay Jim for shipping, brokerage fees, PST and GST!!!  So yeah, a lot of savings.

Now...where are we at with this?

I wouldn't care if it was no purfling, no rosette, with maple binding, Pings and Tusq....those things are secondary to it being a full scale, all mahogany 12 fret 00.  That's all I need.
 We'll have more info. soon


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on November 24, 2009, 07:32:13 PM
I'm another lefty giving this serious thought, awaiting pricing.   :drool:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: rpm60912 on November 24, 2009, 07:32:20 PM
  Price speculation can lead to disappointments for sure and needless posts. We just need to be a little more patient and we'll all know.

Point taken Danny, we shall sit and wait for the official price.

People can always look around, guess, be patient and hope for the best.

ricky


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on November 24, 2009, 07:37:50 PM
Don't know bout you fellers on the fence BUT 2010 will be a new guitar year with me in N.S  :roll

Don't miss the boat!!!!! :nana_guitar   :nana_guitar   :nana_guitar   :nana_guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on November 24, 2009, 08:39:55 PM
Wow, you tune out for awhile and the insanity starts all over again. I'll be sitting this one out as I don't see a substantial difference from my beloved F-III all-hog, but I wish you all the best and would be happy to host another jam if everyone winds up in Vancouver again. Also curious to see what the price point will be and still perplexed at why it can't be posted openly when established. It's an open secret, natch?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: ryler on November 24, 2009, 09:09:08 PM
Following with extreme personal interest much tempered by my husband's extreme lack of interest.  Marriage, I tell ya.  I may have to hope that someone expected too much out of the size and puts it up used---after significantly dinging the top reducing the asking price further.  But the used market ain't gonna be what it was when 78 people ordered F-III.  I wish I knew I could join on this one.  OO is my favorite size and never had a hot top before...

Does it not seem reasonable to exclude Forum projects from the pricing rule?  Seems like since it's being offered to forum folk, publicizing the price is more of a service than disservice.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: rpm60912 on November 24, 2009, 09:22:08 PM
Does it not seem reasonable to exclude Forum projects from the pricing rule?  Seems like since it's being offered to forum folk, publicizing the price is more of a service than disservice.

pretty soon, the price for this FIV will be common knowledge in the Forum.

But, Jim does not know what the official price is. Until then, we wait.

I remember when we found out the FIII prices - we can only give approximations to the nearest price point.

There must be a good reason for the Forum Rules to ban specifying prices - I guess there are dealers following the Forum.

ricky


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 09:30:55 PM
  Pricing new guitars on the Forum is against the rules of the forum and for a good reason. Lot's of dealers sell Larrivees and they are priced at different levels. There is a 00-03 being made and sold right now by different Larrivee dealers.
  So to price this one openly may cause hurt feelings with someone who paid a little more for a similar guitar at a dealer.
              Also we do get a good deal from Larrivee for a bundled order like this. It's not just one person buying. So the price comparisons aren't really fair.
                     Jim just sent a note that he has not heard yet from Larrivee, but is supposed to today.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: sniggs on November 24, 2009, 09:48:28 PM


  I am guessing that Jim has made Larrivee aware that the order for these guitars are most likely going to be in excess of the four that was fist talked about,and may be as many as 15?which might warrant a different price than may have been on the cards!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 09:52:50 PM
  Jim is aware of that.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 24, 2009, 10:47:21 PM
Don't know bout you fellers on the fence BUT 2010 will be a new guitar year with me in N.S  :roll

Don't miss the boat!!!!! :nana_guitar   :nana_guitar   :nana_guitar   :nana_guitar

2010 and will also be a new guitar year for me, but mine will say Rickenbacker on the headstock instead. :cheers


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 24, 2009, 10:50:07 PM
 ricky I think the price posting is too much speculation at this time. The rest is great to think about.

Can you 'speculate' on how long this offer will be open? December 15? December 31? January 15?  It would really help me with some financial planning and decision making to know the end cut off date.  Thanks!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 10:56:39 PM
Can you 'speculate' on how long this offer will be open? December 15? December 31? January 15?  It would really help me with some financial planning and decision making to know the end cut off date.  Thanks!
  Well we all would need to agree on it but December 12th would be three weeks exactly since we started the thread. So maybe the following Monday would be a good point to cut it off. That would be December 14th.
  We would need to get input from Jim Holler also.
                    I'm really hoping we get the price today like everyone else.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on November 24, 2009, 11:03:35 PM
I think I'll go play my FIII for a little while..


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: rpm60912 on November 24, 2009, 11:47:02 PM
  Well we all would need to agree on it but December 12th would be three weeks exactly since we started the thread. So maybe the following Monday would be a good point to cut it off. That would be December 14th.

I know nothing is final at this point. The last time with FIII, Jim H set the cutoff date to be end of December.

I wonder if it would be wise to extend it until after Christmas (Dec 31) to give the rest of the Forum members more time to

gather more cash to make the purchase order - assuming Christmas bonuses, cash gifts, donations, bribes, etc or anything to

scrape up enough to be in on this FIV given our depressed economy.

ricky


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 24, 2009, 11:50:09 PM
 Personally I'd rather order it as soon as the specs. and price arrive. I KNOW that's a bit selfish. :blush:

              I'll abide by the Forum consensus.
                                     


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 24, 2009, 11:52:48 PM
Personally I'd rather order it as soon as the specs. and price arrive. I KNOW that's a bit selfish. :blush:

              I'll abide by the Forum consensus.
                                     

I think this is the way to go.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on November 24, 2009, 11:56:39 PM
So, while we wait for the pricing, it would be good to discuss the 3-piece neck Larrivee apparently put on the P-03 IS. 

Will it be on the F-IV necks as well?  Its not a deal breaker and it could well be the future of Larrivee necks, at least on the lower end guitars.  Taylor and Martin have mostly multi-piece necks these days.

Do the P-03 IS guitars have "wings" like Martin or a joint like Taylor?  Or something else?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 24, 2009, 11:59:39 PM
Personally, I wouldn't be happy with a three piece neck. Ack!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on November 25, 2009, 12:08:33 AM
Personally, I wouldn't be happy with a three piece neck. Ack!
I'm sure that will be an option.
 :humour:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 12:56:01 AM
                                               BREAKING NEWS


not really...I am just bored.    What is up with Larrivee and just getting us a price on a no option 00-03MT?
                                                     (I'm sitting here staring at my e-mail inbox)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 25, 2009, 12:59:29 AM
                                                                         BREAKING NEWS


not really...I am just bored.    What is up with Larrivee and just getting us a price on a no option 00-03MT?
                                                     (I'm sitting here staring at my e-mail inbox)

That's NOT funny!

I almost wet my pants!!!  :wacko:



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: rpm60912 on November 25, 2009, 01:07:14 AM
Danny,

Is there a specs list anywhere?

OO-03 dimensions (I imagine 4" depth?)
all-hog as in South American Mahogany
paddle head - black/ebony face
maple binding
? archtop case (like limited run P-03 IS)
? H-bone rosette AND purfling

ricky


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: sniggs on November 25, 2009, 01:10:51 AM
                                              BREAKING NEWS


not really...I am just bored.    What is up with Larrivee and just getting us a price on a no option 00-03MT?
                                                     (I'm sitting here staring at my e-mail inbox)


 or was it not bored of waiting for the price but you couldn't wait any longer for that 5000th post :roll


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 01:13:31 AM
Danny,

Is there a specs list anywhere?

OO-03 dimensions (I imagine 4" depth?)
all-hog as in South American Mahogany
paddle head - black/ebony face
maple binding
? archtop case (like limited run P-03 IS)
? H-bone rosette AND purfling

ricky
 That is what we are all so patiently and tiredly (is that a word) waiting for.
     It is a 03 series so I would have to say think OM-03MT in a 00 size and you have the specs.  Anything else is imagineering by anyone at this point.


 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 01:15:55 AM

 or was it not bored of waiting for the price but you couldn't wait any longer for that 5000th post :roll
  Truth is I would like for the announcement that Larrivee finally said something, to be my 5000th.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: sniggs on November 25, 2009, 01:20:30 AM
  Truth is I would like for the announcement that Larrivee finally said something, to be my 5000th.


you missed that but there's always your 6000th :crying:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 01:23:04 AM

you missed that but there's always your 6000th :crying:
Or I can delete the phony BREAKING NEWS and one or two more and then it will be 5000.
                              kinda like "Groundhog Day" Deja Vu all over again ;0)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: sniggs on November 25, 2009, 01:27:56 AM
Or I can delete the phony BREAKING NEWS and one or two more and then it will be 5000.
                              kinda like "Groundhog Day" Deja Vu all over again ;0)


not the same am afraid,you can only pop your 5000th cherry once for real but you could start over with a new user name,now that would be the real thing but maybe just a little sad :bgrin:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 01:31:22 AM

not the same am afraid,you can only pop your 5000th cherry once for real but you could start over with a new user name,now that would be the real thing but maybe just a little sad :bgrin:
  I was going to do just that about 6 months ago and a forum member talked me out of it.
               That's partially why you see Danny below. That would have been the new forum name.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: bluebear on November 25, 2009, 01:48:05 AM
Count me in on this.  Whenever Jim gets the price, I will contact him.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 25, 2009, 01:50:25 AM
 Could you bash Bush somewhere else. I happen to Like him. Very much!

I like him, too, so I think it's okay if I poke a little fun (I voted for him twice).

And I'm NOT trying to get into a political discussion here...I'm just wasting time like a few others hoping for an announcement (or a PM) about pricing...what time is it in Oxnard now anyway? 5:50...too late to expect anything yet today/tonight?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 01:55:42 AM
I like him, too, so I think it's okay if I poke a little fun (I voted for him twice).

And I'm NOT trying to get into a political discussion here...I'm just wasting time like a few others hoping for an announcement (or a PM) about pricing...what time is it in Oxnard now anyway? 5:50...too late to expect anything yet today/tonight?
  Sorry, I just get sick of seeing jabs at a good man and President in my book. I don't say much about politics here at all. But I knee jerked on that one.
               The Larrivee's could still e-mail or call Jim Holler tonight. Or the salesman who is handling things. But to tell the truth I bummed out over this.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 01:59:31 AM
                          That's it for me. If I hear anything I'll post it.  :wave


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 25, 2009, 02:01:46 AM
  Sorry, I just get sick of seeing jabs at a good man and President in my book. I don't say much about politics here at all. But I knee jerked on that one.
               The Larrivee's could still e-mail or call Jim Holler tonight. Or the salesman who is handling things. But to tell the truth I bummed out over this.

Yeah, I'm sitting here rechecking this thread while reading other threads and a couple other forums, while listening to Bob Dylan's 2008 "Tell Tale Signs: Rare and Unreleased 1989 - 2006." What a great collection of stuff that never got on the 'record' (hey, I still have records ... I can say 'record' if I want ... it's actually 2 CD's).

As I listen, I'm 'imagineering' about Dylan playing one of these sweet little Forum hog-tops...he did play a 00 size guitar for awhile in the late '60's/early '70's (even though he had "gone electric").  I'll have to pick me some Dylan tunes on this thing when it comes in...

(...and I understand about the Bush-bashing - I get sick of it, too.)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: fongie on November 25, 2009, 02:33:52 AM
Sorry guys, been away so I'm just wondering if you can feel us in with the Price and the Specs on this FIV OO? Does also it comes in Slotthead?
cheers
fongie   


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: es-335 on November 25, 2009, 02:39:52 AM

As I listen, I'm 'imagineering' about Dylan playing one of these sweet little Forum hog-tops...he did play a 00 size guitar for awhile in the late '60's/early '70's (even though he had "gone electric").  I'll have to pick me some Dylan tunes on this thing when it comes in...

(...and I understand about the Bush-bashing - I get sick of it, too.)

He played a Gibson, Nick Lucas. O, and a 0-18 I believe. :)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 25, 2009, 02:44:00 AM
Sorry guys, been away so I'm just wondering if you can feel us in with the Price and the Specs on this FIV OO? Does also it comes in Slotthead?
cheers
fongie   

No slothead - in order to keep the price down. And we're all still waiting for Larrivee to shoot a price to Jim at Trinity Guitars ... at this point, it looks like tomorrow...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 25, 2009, 02:47:34 AM
He played a Gibson, Nick Lucas. O, and a 0-18 I believe. :)


Yeah, I'm thinking it's the 0-18 ... thanks!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 02:58:20 AM
He played a Gibson, Nick Lucas. O, and a 0-18 I believe. :)

  He played a modified Nick Lucas. And there is nothing being made exactly like it.
                           But Dylan will never play a 00-03MT F-IV, so it all evens out.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: leerichards on November 25, 2009, 02:58:59 AM
Ack!
Ack! What an excellent expression lyricgirl. Do you have intellectual property rights on it? May I use it myself and thus introduce it into the Kiwi (New Zealand) vernacular?  :bgrin: Pleeese  :donut :donut :coffee Rick


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 03:01:13 AM
  You posted that twice ya know.    ACK ACK     that's what they called anti-aircraft artillery.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: leerichards on November 25, 2009, 03:07:13 AM
I know, Dan. But I didn't get it right the first time so I deleted the first one. But while we are talking, I did a bit of work on my L03R action this morning - didn't risk getting her anywhere near your 1/32 e but moved all the strings down about 1/64 so she's now close the other figures you posted. It all helps, so thank for your info on that " low action" thread. BTW where do you live that it's 9.00pm. Here in NZ it's just after 4pm. :smile: Rick ps it's Wednesday here but because of the dateline it's only Tuesday for you. So I'm writing to you from the future.  :bgrin:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 03:13:51 AM
  I am deep in the heart of Texas.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: leerichards on November 25, 2009, 03:17:17 AM
  I am deep in the heart of Texas.
My Uncle Lee came from Beeville, Texas. He was US Marine and came across to NZ in WWII and captured my mother's twin sister and took her back to the Lone Star State - hence my middle name - Richard Lee.   :thumb Rick


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 03:20:16 AM
My Uncle Lee came from Beeville, Texas. He was US Marine and came across to NZ in WWII and captured my mother's twin sister and took her back to the Lone Star State - hence my middle name - Richard Lee.   :thumb Rick
I've been there many times and have a very good friend from there. Even bought a guitar there once.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: leerichards on November 25, 2009, 03:24:01 AM
Wow. Small world, eh?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 03:27:37 AM
Well maybe, but Texas is bigger than France.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Jagadis on November 25, 2009, 03:37:42 AM
Please Lord...don't lead me into temptation and let me get sucked into the whirlwind we all know as the "Next Forum Guitar".  Last time this happened my family ate Kraft Dinner for 3 months after the grocery money got diverted to Jim Holler.  Please Lord...help me resist...

Sigh...

My name is Jordan...and I'm a mahog-oholic!

J.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 03:40:55 AM
Please Lord...don't lead me into temptation and let me get sucked into the whirlwind we all know as the "Next Forum Guitar".  Last time this happened my family ate Kraft Dinner for 3 months after the grocery money got diverted to Jim Holler.  Please Lord...help me resist...

Sigh...

My name is Jordan...and I'm a mahog-oholic!

J.
  Sounds like you better stay away from the forum for about 3 weeks.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: rpm60912 on November 25, 2009, 04:30:37 AM
Please Lord...don't lead me into temptation and let me get sucked into the whirlwind we all know as the "Next Forum Guitar".  Last time this happened my family ate Kraft Dinner for 3 months after the grocery money got diverted to Jim Holler.  Please Lord...help me resist...

Sigh...

My name is Jordan...and I'm a mahog-oholic!

J.

Yep, I made the mistake of lurking today when I saw this thread and the familiar "breaking news" on page 1.

Too late... my heart and mind and will simultaneously got sucked in all-together... except my wallet is protesting

and my wife is clueless !!!

I had better be in my best behavior.  :nana_guitar

ricky


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on November 25, 2009, 05:37:50 AM
Anybody have any info on Larivee's 3-piece necks?  The parlor on Trinity Guitars website looks to have a neck or scarf joint like Taylor does it and no wings. 

If a 3-piece neck lowers the price to under $1k, then its a no-brainer for me.  The Martin 00-15, a real sweetheart hog-top (while it lasts...), is less than $1k discounted.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: kwakatak on November 25, 2009, 06:02:14 AM
Wow. This thread is the most active I've seen this forum in a long time. I'm intrigued by the way the whole concept has taken shape (unofficial at this time though it may be) and am watching intently from the sidelines. I'm not interested this time around (it seems like most brand-specific forums tend to do mahogany 00 or 000-sized custom group orders, i.e. the UMGF and Tacoma forum guitars) but Queequeg's cryptic hinting at a "tricked out" Forum guitar in the future has me intrigued.

Good luck, ladies and gentlemen. I hope the finalized specs and price come in soon.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: rpm60912 on November 25, 2009, 07:07:07 AM
  ricky would you be interested in taking this over? After no answer again today I'm thinking i might be out of this charade.

Danny, I'll pitch in and help in any way I can or whatever you ask of me to do.

ricky


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: rpm60912 on November 25, 2009, 07:13:19 AM
If a 3-piece neck lowers the price to under $1k, then its a no-brainer for me.  The Martin 00-15, a real sweetheart hog-top (while it lasts...), is less than $1k discounted.

I am so with you on this one. Then again, I'm not officially in, until my wife says, "Yes, honey, I'll buy you another guitar!"

I hinted on the FIV late tonight and she gave me this, "I thought I cured you of your guitar-o-holism" look on her face.  :blush:

ricky


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 25, 2009, 12:08:15 PM
Ack! What an excellent expression lyricgirl. Do you have intellectual property rights on it? May I use it myself and thus introduce it into the Kiwi (New Zealand) vernacular?  :bgrin: Pleeese  :donut :donut :coffee Rick

Rick, do as you please. You obviously don't know me very well when you use the term intellectual!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 25, 2009, 12:13:59 PM
Jordan, I think you're already done for on this one being a mahogany aholic! Ricky, good luck with Beth, but you just might have to sit this one out especially since you didn't sell all of your other guitars. :whistling:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 12:16:34 PM
   NEW DAY....                             ABOUT TIME DAY    $ & specs.         Larrrivee????


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 12:38:41 PM
                         I don't want a 3 piece neck on a Forum Guitar

                                                      We shouldn't settle for a cheap guitar.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 25, 2009, 01:20:33 PM
                        I don't want a 3 piece neck on a Forum Guitar

                                                      We shouldn't settle for a cheap guitar.

Totally agree with you Danny!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on November 25, 2009, 01:48:15 PM
Totally agree, 1 peace neck please!!!

-James

 :cheers :beer :nana_guitar :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: GA-ME on November 25, 2009, 01:49:11 PM
                         I don't want a 3 piece neck on a Forum Guitar

                                                      We shouldn't settle for a cheap guitar.

A multi-peice neck doesn't equate to cheap.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on November 25, 2009, 01:56:12 PM
A multi-peice neck doesn't equate to cheap.
that's very true.
Totally agree, 1 peace neck please!!!

all we are saying is give 3-peace a chance.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 02:00:05 PM
    You are right. I guess what I should have said is. To be a "Larrivee Forum Guitar" wouldn't we want it built to the standards Larrivee has used for over 40 years now?
    But all the guitars I have or have owned that were better quality had one piece necks.
And to get an all mahogany body with a one piece mahogany neck will be a very nice looking little 00 even with the lowest bling level. Plus we are seeing less and less of true S. American mahogany being used in this level of pricing. (we hope the price is good)
    It would not be a good selling point to many here if it is a three piece neck, from what I have read on the posts. Though a few have expressed that they don't mind.
                         I just want a good ole Larrivee 00 again.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 02:04:12 PM
that's very true.all we are saying is give 3-peace a chance.

  Yea, let's give peace a chance. That was the decision I came to in my mind somewhere in the middle of last night. And I see this all a little more positively today. Still I wonder about the delay from Larrivee on this.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on November 25, 2009, 02:10:33 PM
And I see this all a little more positively today. Still I wonder about the delay from Larrivee on this.
it is entirely possible that Larrivee has a few more things on their plate right now than these 5, 10, or 15 "-03" forum guitars.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on November 25, 2009, 02:20:50 PM
Speaking of multi-piece necks, many custom shops regularly use them on their guitars.  It is the present and future of guitars.  You have to get high up Martin's guitar line to get one-piece necks.  Does anyone know when Taylor last used one-piece necks?

What will we say when Larrivee goes away from dovetail joints and to an equally (or better) effective but cheaper? 

Or what if, horrors, Larrivee just goes away!? 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 25, 2009, 02:22:15 PM
I wouldn't necessarily pass if it had a three piece neck - I know (in my head) that a three piece neck will be stable, etc. (I have several such necks from Warmoth), but I strongly agree with the sentiment that these Forum guitars should reflect Larrivee's ethos and heritage...therefore, they should have one piece necks...that's definitely my preference (and esp. on such a unique, rare and special instrument).


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on November 25, 2009, 02:23:02 PM
Speaking of multi-piece necks, many custom shops regularly use them on their guitars.  It is the present and future of guitars. 

George Lowden uses 5 and 7 piece necks - I haven't heard any bad news about them.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 02:54:56 PM
   Just in case anyone is wondering, I will PM everyone that has expressed an interest in the F-IV with the pricing when we get it.
   As well as post the fact we now have it here on this thread with the specifications when they come in. Unless Jim does that directly.
            Anyway, don't worry about being forgotten about, I'll go through the thread and my save files of PM's and e-mails and contact each one.
                  Of course another order thread will be started as well, with order information only on it. And we can save postings for here and other threads. As was done by Randy on the F-III. That all seemed to work real well to keep confusion down.
             
            Again though, any member can feel free to suggest whatever they want to.
                                             (including 3 piece necks)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on November 25, 2009, 02:55:24 PM
I wouldn't necessarily pass if it had a three piece neck - I know (in my head) that a three piece neck will be stable, etc. (I have several such necks from Warmoth), but I strongly agree with the sentiment that these Forum guitars should reflect Larrivee's ethos and heritage...therefore, they should have one piece necks...that's definitely my preference (and esp. on such a unique, rare and special instrument).

I think that it is all of our preferences.  


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on November 25, 2009, 02:59:31 PM


What will we say when Larrivee goes away from dovetail joints and to an equally (or better) effective but cheaper? 
 
I never heard anyone who was paying for a neck reset say "sure glad I got this here dovetail joint".


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on November 25, 2009, 03:15:03 PM
I never heard anyone who was paying for a neck reset say "sure glad I got this here dovetail joint".

That's a GOOD one!   :+1:

(From one who did pay for a neck reset on a 1973 LoPrinzi.)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on November 25, 2009, 03:18:26 PM
I think that it is all of our preferences.  

If a one-piece neck would add significantly to the cost, I'd be fine with three-piece.

Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 03:26:32 PM
  Since this is an 03 series Larrivee, other than the new P-03 have any others in the series been 3 piece? Or has there been anything said by Larrivee that this is where they are going with the 03 series line?

btw My preference would be a one piece slot head on the 00-03MT :tongue:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: acoustic6 on November 25, 2009, 03:28:01 PM
                         I don't want a 3 piece neck on a Forum Guitar

                                                      We shouldn't settle for a cheap guitar.
For what it's worth, I recently bought one of the P-03 parlors from Jim at Trinity and although I really wasn't concerned about it to begin with I must say that they did a beautiful job with the 3 piece neck.  Only place you can clearly see that it is more than one piece is at the heel.  A closer look at the side of the headstock reveals the other joint where you can see the directions of the grain.

Larrivee has never given me a reason to be concerned about their quality ( 3 piece neck or not) or I wouldn't have bought this one and the 3 others I own.  The P-03 exceeded every expectation especially at the price I got it for.  If I thought instead of playing it I'd be holding the guitar out in front of me agonizing about the fact that it doesn't have a one piece neck I'd never have purchased it.  That's just my take on it.

Hat's off to Jim at Trinity and everyone else helping to put this together in short order.  Wish I could afford to be a part of it all but alas, I resign to my couch for some music with my little parlor and it's 3 piece neck.   :tongue: :guitar  


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Southern Cross on November 25, 2009, 03:28:18 PM
Danny,
I definitely would like to get a price on these when everything is finally decided and sent to you.  I am not in the market for a new guitar, but I may have to sell one of my Larrivee's.  I have bonded quite nicely with my L-03MH that I bought from Jim last Dec.  Thanks in advance.
Clifford


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 03:31:44 PM
Danny,
I definitely would like to get a price on these when everything is finally decided and sent to you.  I am not in the market for a new guitar, but I may have to sell one of my Larrivee's.  I have bonded quite nicely with my L-03MH that I bought from Jim last Dec.  Thanks in advance.
Clifford
  Got it Clifford.

  I'm wishing I never made that post about three piece necks and cheap guitar. Oh well.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on November 25, 2009, 03:38:28 PM
I wouldn't mind a 3 piece neck that was light-dark-light to give it a little contrast...

If its done right, a 3 piece neck with good glue might actually be stronger than a 1 piece neck. ie: in a 1 piece neck, a minor weak spot might run all the way thru or along the neck, where-as in a 3 piece, the weak spot in the grain would be interrupted or supported by adjoining wood pieces, and the glue should add extra strength (be stronger than wood). I say this from experience with composite rifle stocks which are stronger, and less subject to changes in humidity than those made of a single piece of wood.

A slot head would be nice, but would add to the price...



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on November 25, 2009, 03:41:51 PM
What are we talking about with the term three-piece neck?

Are we talking about three pieces of wood glued lengthwise to make a neck blank of sufficient width?

Or are we talking about a single piece of wood for the neck with glued headstock and heel?

Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on November 25, 2009, 04:27:10 PM
What are we talking about with the term three-piece neck?

Are we talking about three pieces of wood glued lengthwise to make a neck blank of sufficient width?

Or are we talking about a single piece of wood for the neck with glued headstock and heel?

Jim
sort of like this...
(http://www.gilmerwood.com/images_after06-27-06/10-03-06IW10916.jpg)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on November 25, 2009, 04:33:07 PM
sort of like this...

Thanks. So, if it is three pieces of wood glued lengthwise, you generally get a stiffer, more stable neck.

Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: noyage on November 25, 2009, 04:41:18 PM
Neck on Martin's new OM-1 - slightly more than 3 pieces:

(http://elderly.com/images/new_instruments/10N/MTNOM1_heel.jpg)

Nice having a one piece neck but if it plays good and sounds good, it is good ;)



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on November 25, 2009, 04:45:09 PM
I mentioned Lowden earlier, here is a link to their website which shows their necks being made - it is easy to see because the sandwich layers of rosewood into the 5 piece construction.  They do it this way because they believe it makes a stronger, more stable neck, and looks nice too.  These are 100% hand made instruments, with the technique used as a preference over a single piece neck, hence why the example popped into my mind earlier.

I guess it is the same issue as Taylor preferring bolt on necks though.  Each builder is different and has different opinions.  Otherwise all guitars would be the same I suppose.

here is the link anyway, click on the first set of pictures for necks.

http://web.mac.com/gsl71/George_Lowden_Website/Guitar_making/Guitar_making.html


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 25, 2009, 04:53:33 PM
Okay...here's my compromise...I'll "settle for" a three piece neck if it has the slotted headstock!  :roll

I understand what everyone is saying here about multi-piece necks being more stable, as well as being beautiful when contrasting pieces/species of wood are used...I was just saying that Larrivee has held up their one-piece necks as a sign of their uncompromising quality and commitment to all solid wood instruments. I realize that may have to change someday (look at the 'Martin' above), but I hope it is only on the 03 series guitars, at least in the near future.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on November 25, 2009, 05:13:57 PM
Okay...here's my compromise...I'll "settle for" a three piece neck if it has the slotted headstock!  :roll

I understand what everyone is saying here about multi-piece necks being more stable, as well as being beautiful when contrasting pieces/species of wood are used...I was just saying that Larrivee has held up their one-piece necks as a sign of their uncompromising quality and commitment to all solid wood instruments. I realize that may have to change someday (look at the 'Martin' above), but I hope it is only on the 03 series guitars, at least in the near future.
Mikeymac, choose Option #7 for the 3-piece neck. Choose Option #12 for the slothead.  :roll

noyage, Martin calls that neck "Stratabond "
This is a trademark product of the Rutland Plywood Corporation. Composed of dye impregnated wood veneers in rich earth tones, Stratabond has formed the stocks and handles of millions of guns and bows for major manufacturers around the world since 1987. However, it has more recently been discovered by some guitar builders to be an excellent, cost-effective alternative to tropical mahogany, which has skyrocketed in cost over the last few years.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on November 25, 2009, 05:18:02 PM
   The Martin laminated neck is a totally different beast than a 3 piece one. As has been mentioned, the neck is more stable when done in lamination or bonding pieces together. Yes, it gets away from the "purist" idea of a one piece one, but think of composite materials bonded together. End up with a VERY strong & stable part, whatever it is. The graphite (composite) guitars are know just for that: stiffness & stability. Personally, I wouldn't not jump into the F-IV just for this reason. Having played Larrivees for over 25 years, I have confidence in what Jean decides will be a good neck. Won't put his name on just any piece of crap? :?
   Now just a waiting game for a price. I totally agree that even with a 3 piece neck, this will be an incredible guitar. Keep the faith!!
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tadol on November 25, 2009, 05:33:47 PM
Larrivees 3 piece design has laminations that run parallel to the fingerboard, so that every part of the neck that you hand touchs is one piece, and the lamination is only visible at the heel and at the headstock. They do not have "wings", nor do they have stripes running along the back of the neck. It is not done strictly because they are trying to save money, they are trying to use the best quality material that they can get their hands on, and getting solid blocks of mahogany large enough and good enough for a complete neck is getting to be much harder than in the past ( yes, that does mean much more expensive ), and in our lifetimes it may become almost impossible. They told us all this when we took the tour of the Vancouver facility and we picked up the F3s, and nothing has changed. All the P03s have laminated necks, and I'll bet most players never even noticed.

They are going to try and keep using one-piece necks on the -09 and -10 series if they can, where the cost to find this material can be added to the overall build. Good materials are going to keep becoming harder to obtain, regardless of the price, and this type of neck is an extremely minimal compromise - NO - it is not a compromise at all - it is a more labor intensive process, and creates a better neck. The lamination in the dovetail makes it a better joint. If it didn't make a qualtiy guitar, or if there were a better option that made a better/ more playable instrument, I am confident Jean would do it that way.

All this info came from the conversations we had at the factory 8 months ago, and from talking to Matthew at Oxnard in August - I do not have any "inside" info at all, and all opinions are strictly my own.  I hope y'all get one piece necks if it is that important - I just also hope it doesn't raise the cost more for those stretching to afford one of these -

Tad


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on November 25, 2009, 05:46:25 PM
   Tad, thanks for more info. The neck won't stop me from trying to make this work for me, as a OO all HOG is just what the doctor ordered! And a guitar like this just wouldn't be right w/o the 12 frets to the neck, like the vintage Martin all HOG guitars. Man, this is a big decision, as far as cash. Down payment, no problem. Working on the balance, a test of wills? And, I have missed many from the Forum, always enjoying what MOST (joke) have to say. A place of vast knowledge!
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on November 25, 2009, 06:50:38 PM
For what it's worth, I recently bought one of the P-03 parlors from Jim at Trinity and although I really wasn't concerned about it to begin with I must say that they did a beautiful job with the 3 piece neck.  Only place you can clearly see that it is more than one piece is at the heel.  A closer look at the side of the headstock reveals the other joint where you can see the directions of the grain.


How about posting some close up pic's of the neck of your P-03 showing the actual construction. A pic is worth a 1000 words.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on November 25, 2009, 07:34:49 PM
slotted headstock yeah yeah but don't care if it's one piece neck or multi. Was always of the belief that multi was stronger tho not sure where that came from. BUT my vote is for a slotted headstock tricked either simple or elaborate no matter to me :nana_guitar    :nana_guitar    :nana_guitar    :nana_guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on November 25, 2009, 08:05:25 PM
slothead  :+1:

extra cost:   :thumbsup


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: naboz on November 25, 2009, 08:46:25 PM
Ok, I had GAS in check until ya'all started talkin' slotted head!  I'm puttin' on some of those tuners Tad showed earlier!
Danny keep me in the loop--send me price and possible options when it becomes official.  Multi-piece neck; no problem.
Seems at this point somebody needs to get a definitive difference between cost of slotted head vs. standard (paddle).

If I'm jumping in, I opt for standard wood binding to offset the "darkness" of the all mahog.--maybe something like tiger or curly maple, no big change, just a little extra.  I'm not a fan of herringbone, so the rosette can be standard.  I have a OM03 all SP Spec. Ed. that has a abalone rosette and it looks wonderful with the sapele, but I know that is extra.

My overall consideration (hope) is (of course) keeping it south of $1K.   :whistling:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 08:53:40 PM
Ok, I had GAS in check until ya'all started talkin' slotted head!  I'm puttin' on some of those tuners Tad showed earlier!
Danny keep me in the loop--send me price and possible options when it becomes official.  Multi-piece neck; no problem.
Seems at this point somebody needs to get a definitive difference between cost of slotted head vs. standard (paddle).

If I'm jumping in, I opt for standard wood binding to offset the "darkness" of the all mahog.--maybe something like tiger or curly maple, no big change, just a little extra.  I'm not a fan of herringbone, so the rosette can be standard.  I have a OM03 all SP Spec. Ed. that has a abalone rosette and it looks wonderful with the sapele, but I know that is extra.

My overall consideration (hope) is (of course) keeping it south of $1K.   :whistling:
 Actually all of this is just musings. Jim Holler has told us ONE GUITAR NO OPTIONS from Larrivee.     Which is a 00-03MT   so think of a 0M-03MT and how it's made.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: naboz on November 25, 2009, 09:06:39 PM
Oh yeah, I seem to remember reading that...in big red letters  :arrow
...lucky for my wallet.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 25, 2009, 09:45:11 PM
At this price point, the slotted headstock is no doubt out of reach...besides, who wants it anyway; they're harder to restring!   :rolleye:

All the discussion about laminated necks has also reminded me of classical neck construction with the scarf joint at the headstock, which provide strength, and evidently no concerns about loss of tone.

So three piece neck, whatever, just looking forward to final details, as I sit here and stew... :whistling:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: sniggs on November 25, 2009, 09:50:27 PM
seems a long time to be waiting for a price?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on November 25, 2009, 10:06:55 PM
to be fair, in waiting for the price the forum is at the mercy of the matter getting to the top of the in-tray at Larrivee HQ. Nothing anyone here can do about it.

The cost will undoubtedly be very reasonable.

Don't shoot the messanger. People are putting a great deal of time and effort into making this a reality.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on November 25, 2009, 10:15:53 PM
Don't want to be the Fly in the Soup here BUT the minimum that was needed by Larrivee was 4 thus say if you got 8 persons committed and 4 want one thing and 4 another than............ I must be overlooking something???? So why can't that happen is it an administrative thing?    :?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Dotneck on November 25, 2009, 10:30:27 PM
At this price point, the slotted headstock is no doubt out of reach...

But...we don't know the price point yet....


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pierrev on November 25, 2009, 10:41:13 PM
OK you got me, my wife and kids wants to give me a new guitar for Christmas and i was looking at the Recording King RNJ 25(L00) at the 12 fret and almost order one this afternoon but now like a bunch of us i need to know the price of this baby so i can take a final decision  :?

Pierrev

 :guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: sniggs on November 25, 2009, 10:47:59 PM
I can't see it being much more than a Larrivee parlor.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on November 25, 2009, 11:14:09 PM
I can't see it being much more than a Larrivee parlor.
I think the sound difference will be more pronounced than you might imagine.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on November 25, 2009, 11:16:04 PM
I can't see it being much more than a Larrivee parlor.

As a former 00 owner, I can vouch that it's a bit more than that!  While the body is only slightly bigger, an inch and a half of scale makes a huge difference.  And at the same time, it has a lot of that parlor charm too. 

  Actually all of this is just musings. Jim Holler has told us ONE GUITAR NO OPTIONS from Larrivee.     Which is a 00-03MT   so think of a 0M-03MT and how it's made.

A 00-03MT is exactly what I want.  I know the slothead is sexy but it's a bit of a pain when it comes to string change, not to mention the whole slothead thing, at least for steel stings, is not really typical of the brand.  I find the FIIIs are truly Larrivee...more like a classical with steel stings. 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 25, 2009, 11:20:07 PM
         I'll tell you what I know at this point about pricing....absolutely nothing. I e-mailed Jim and have had no response since yesterday when he told me that he had e-mailed Larrivee multiple times and still had no response from them.
          Also he said that he would let me know as soon as he heard something.


             At this point all I can say is "HAPPY THANKSGIVING" to all of you. Please be safe if you are out traveling, and as soon as I hear something y'all will be posted. I promise. I have spent a lot of time staring at my inbox. And will continue to check it. But we all need to realize everyone needs a break sometimes. For sure Jim Holler does.
            
           So hang in there, I can't tell you to be patient, but do the best you can.

As a former 00 owner, I can vouch that it's a bit more than that!  While the body is only slightly bigger, an inch and a half of scale makes a huge difference.  And at the same time, it has a lot of that parlor charm too. 

A 00-03MT is exactly what I want.  I know the slothead is sexy but it's a bit of a pain when it comes to string change, not to mention the whole slothead thing, at least for steel stings, is not really typical of the brand.  I find the FIIIs are truly Larrivee...more like a classical with steel stings. 
   You are so right Denis. The  price will not be one of the P-03 either. I think that needs to be cleared up.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 25, 2009, 11:43:41 PM
Relax everyone. The answer on the price will come when it comes. The fact that it's Thanksgiving tomorrow will likely not make it happen any faster. RELAX! Go play your guitar. Do some yoga.  :smile:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 25, 2009, 11:45:17 PM
I also thought this was a slot head?

So, is the OO bigger than the LS?

Not that I'm thinking about this at all.  :smile: Seriously, I can't think about this unless I win the lottery some time soon. :cheers

Lynda


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on November 25, 2009, 11:45:49 PM
        I'll tell you what I know at this point about pricing....absolutely nothing. I e-mailed Jim and have had no response since yesterday when he told me that he had e-mailed Larrivee multiple times and still had no response from them.

They must be doing okay there if they are not eager to sell more guitars.

Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on November 26, 2009, 12:15:12 AM

So, is the OO bigger than the LS?


the OO is smaller than the LS. Think slightly bigger than a parlour, but a standard scale length. Between a parlour (O) and an OM (OOO) size in terms of the guitar body.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 26, 2009, 12:22:09 AM
Thanks Ben


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 26, 2009, 12:36:50 AM
Thanks Ben
  Truth is it would be a perfect size for you. I love em. My P-09's would literaly POP out of my grasp. It was a big frustration to me because I bought the most expensive model the second time. 
         But the 00-09 I had was perfect for me. Nice tone, comfortable lower bout size etc.
 I remember in a trip to the midwest one time when Bonnie was driving my pickup I pulled out the 00-09FM and could play it in the passengers seat. Not as easy as a parlour size would be but I could play it.
                  Anyway it's a size I don't understand dropping by any guitar manufacturer.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: leerichards on November 26, 2009, 12:40:04 AM
sort of like this...
(http://www.gilmerwood.com/images_after06-27-06/10-03-06IW10916.jpg)
Queequeg, I've just caught up with the two extra pages that were added while it was night time in NZ. I'm almost certain that the three piece neck that would be used would be the type with the heel join and a long splay joint at the peghead. If I'm correct, there is no need to fear such a construction. The heel to neck joint has been used by Spanish luthiers since forever and the peghead splay joint would actually make the neck stronger in that area since it straightens the run of grain where the peghead curves. If you look at the side of the peghead on a one piece neck, you will see the grain getting somewhat diagonal on the side of the peghead- that diagonal grain is a lot weaker than if it ran straight. A properly glued splay joint (such as Larrivee would do) would actually produce a stronger neck and from what I have read, Larrivee conceal the glue line in the curved shaping that occurs just north of the nut. Do you have Cort guitars in the USA? They are bringing this splay joint down the neck as far as the 3rd or 4th fret and that DOES look strange. As for multi piece necks with the laminations running parallel to the strings, well that's another subject, but IMO and done properly, it would produce a more stable neck since any tendency by one piece to distort would be minimised by the others. But as for Martin's plywood - no thank you. Rick


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: sniggs on November 26, 2009, 12:47:25 AM
I think the sound difference will be more pronounced than you might imagine.


I was referring to the price not the sound.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on November 26, 2009, 01:22:04 AM
They must be doing okay there if they are not eager to sell more guitars.

Jim

I would be more inclined to believe that business is slow, with few people working. Probably a four day Holiday weekend for them.  As much as everyone would like a response on price, I would not expect anything till next week.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on November 26, 2009, 02:22:51 AM
I would be more inclined to believe that business is slow, with few people working. Probably a four day Holiday weekend for them.  As much as everyone would like a response on price, I would not expect anything till next week.

It just seems to me that if business is slow and you have a dealer needing a price for a potential order of a dozen or so guitars, you'd get on it and not put it off until next week.

Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 26, 2009, 02:25:23 AM
Jim, if it makes you feel any better, I don't think we got the pricing all that quickly for the FIII either.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on November 26, 2009, 02:28:11 AM
Jim, if it makes you feel any better, I don't think we got the pricing all that quickly for the FIII either.

Where I work, we try to respond to things immediately. That's one of the reasons we've been having record quarters during a recession. I guess I just assume that other businesses would be the same way.

With products like guitars -- which are not necessary purchases -- you want to get people to commit their money as quickly as possible. You don't want to give them a chance to look at other options, decide to buy something different instead, or decide that they'd be better off just saving the money. Get a deposit and people tend to remain committed to the purchase.

Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: eded on November 26, 2009, 02:42:54 AM
It just seems to me that if business is slow and you have a dealer needing a price for a potential order of a dozen or so guitars, you'd get on it and not put it off until next week.

Jim

I have no dog in the fight but...

Wow...  holiday weekend...  an order of a dozen guitars for a company that makes many thousand guitars a year...    It seems to me that if enough of a pest is made of it, Larrivee could easily say it isn't worth the hassle.

I can't think of a  similar size and quality company who would even consider doing a short run like this.

Ed


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 26, 2009, 02:56:16 AM
   Just look at it this way  
      Where else are we going to order Larrivee 00-03MT's from?

                                                                   Get my point?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on November 26, 2009, 03:55:25 AM

With products like guitars -- which are not necessary purchases -- you want to get people to commit their money as quickly as possible. You don't want to give them a chance to look at other options, decide to buy something different instead, or decide that they'd be better off just saving the money. Get a deposit and people tend to remain committed to the purchase.

Jim
 
"Not Necessary" Jim maybe you got your GAS in check BUT not me, no no no I need a fix!!!!!!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 26, 2009, 04:38:35 AM
I would be more inclined to believe that business is slow, with few people working. Probably a four day Holiday weekend for them.  As much as everyone would like a response on price, I would not expect anything till next week.

Nah, they're just busy finishing up my lefty RS-4 in Root Beer finish!!!  :drool:



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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jimmyb on November 26, 2009, 04:59:40 AM
Queequeg, I've just caught up with the two extra pages that were added while it was night time in NZ. I'm almost certain that the three piece neck that would be used would be the type with the heel join and a long splay joint at the peghead. If I'm correct, there is no need to fear such a construction. The heel to neck joint has been used by Spanish luthiers since forever and the peghead splay joint would actually make the neck stronger in that area since it straightens the run of grain where the peghead curves. If you look at the side of the peghead on a one piece neck, you will see the grain getting somewhat diagonal on the side of the peghead- that diagonal grain is a lot weaker than if it ran straight. A properly glued splay joint (such as Larrivee would do) would actually produce a stronger neck and from what I have read, Larrivee conceal the glue line in the curved shaping that occurs just north of the nut. Do you have Cort guitars in the USA? They are bringing this splay joint down the neck as far as the 3rd or 4th fret and that DOES look strange. As for multi piece necks with the laminations running parallel to the strings, well that's another subject, but IMO and done properly, it would produce a more stable neck since any tendency by one piece to distort would be minimised by the others. But as for Martin's plywood - no thank you. Rick

I think you are correct about this 3 piece neck discussion. Probably something similar to a Taylor Nylon Series neck rather that something like this:
(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk46/jimmyb-028/Comins%20Classic%20Archtop/CominsClassicArchtop8309007.jpg)
Jimmy


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: leerichards on November 26, 2009, 08:31:05 AM
I'd bet my house on it, Jimmy. But that's a beautiful example of the other type. What's that neck on? The Yamaha LL series does stuff like that and a luthier friend here in Dunedin always rips his neck stock down the centre and rotates the pieces (don't know which way) so that any stresses are reversed. My first decent (?) acoustic was a Framus dred that had a laminated neck with as many pieces as that Martin example above, but it was all of the same wood and stained evenly so that it didn't have the construction ply look that Martin has achieved. BTW did you see my post on the ukes made by the luthier mentioned above. I'm pretty sure his ukes would make you  :drool:, maybe I'll go into the shop and take a pic or two to show you what they look like.  Cheers, Rick


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on November 26, 2009, 01:59:40 PM
You guys are likely correct, Jimmy, and Lee. Point is, any and all multi-piece necks I have ever seen are structurally stronger than one piece necks (including that Martin). How many Gibson headstocks have you seen snapped off? Plenty!
This is not to say I don't want a one piece neck. They look better, for sure. And I am quite careful with my guitars so I think that I am at low risk of having any problem with a one-piece neck. Never have, anyway in all the years...
I can wait a while longer for the price. Larrivee has acknowledged the proposal and will reply with a price. First it has to be spec'ed out.
These things actually do take time. And this is not a case of "drop everything because we have a small order for a handful of entry level product!"
Let's take a collective deep breath and wait for a carefully considered spec sheet and corresponding price; not something thrown together to meet some arbitrary and imagined deadline. Larrivee doesn't work like that.
And Mikeymac, that rootbeer looks great, man.  :thumb
 :nice guitar:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on November 26, 2009, 02:32:13 PM
I can wait a while longer for the price. Larrivee has acknowledged the proposal and will reply with a price. First it has to be spec'ed out.
These things actually do take time. And this is not a case of "drop everything because we have a small order for a handful of entry level product!"
Let's take a collective deep breath and wait for a carefully considered spec sheet and corresponding price; not something thrown together to meet some arbitrary and imagined deadline. Larrivee doesn't work like that.

1. The guitar that has been described in this thread is not that difficult to spec out. Larrivee has been making guitars for how long? They are already making guitars in this body size. They are already using the same materials. Specing out this guitar is not a difficult process.

2. It is not a "small order for a handful of entry level product." It is a request from a dealer. Companies that want to thrive in a difficult environment have to take care of their dealers.

After being in business this long, Larrivee should be able to generate price quotes quickly. The cost of fretting a neck is the same for every guitar. The labor involved in bending the sides and building the guitar is the same as for all three series. And the difference in the cost of materials for an 00 vs. a dread is negligible.

Other businesses can provide more complicated quotes in minutes. There is no reason Larrivee cannot do the same. If, by now, Larrivee does not have all its costs figured out per process, they are in trouble.

Admittedly, I am down on Larrivee because of its lack of response on a customer service issue. I had already decided that I would never purchase a new Larrivee again because the company did not offer enough reason to pay the extra cost for new vs. used. This guitar had me excited and rethinking my decision. But once again, the company's lack of response has me concerned.

Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on November 26, 2009, 02:44:32 PM
1. The guitar that has been described in this thread is not that difficult to spec out. Larrivee has been making guitars for how long? They are already making guitars in this body size. They are already using the same materials. Specing out this guitar is not a difficult process.

2. It is not a "small order for a handful of entry level product." It is a request from a dealer. Companies that want to thrive in a difficult environment have to take care of their dealers.

Admittedly, I am down on Larrivee because of its lack of response on a customer service issue.

Jim
Jim with all due respect, the guitar has not been described. No one on this forum knows what the specifications are.
1.) 15 guitars is a small order for a company that produces 10s of thousands of guitars each year.
2.) 03 is Larrivee's entry level.
3.) I don't see this as in any way a reflection of Larrivee not taking care of one of their dealers. "Care" is the key operative here. Not "speed".
4.) All of this is unrelated to any customer service issues you may have with the company.
Have a Happy Thanksgiving.
Here, have a donut while you wait.  :donut


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on November 26, 2009, 03:08:19 PM
Just to put this in perspective.

The dealer (Jim Holler of Trinity Guitars) contacts Larrivee Sales, Sales then contacts the factory. It is Thanksgiving and there may be a business reorganization in process. Getting everyone in the chain to make decisions and negotiate (on our behalf I hope) may take a few days.

Give it time.

If I recall, even with ALL the whoopla about the Forum III last year, after the order was placed there were still a couple people who came in after the order was placed and said 'Whats Happening... How come nobody told me, I want one..."


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: eded on November 26, 2009, 03:15:17 PM
1. The guitar that has been described in this thread is not that difficult to spec out. Larrivee has been making guitars for how long? They are already making guitars in this body size. They are already using the same materials. Specing out this guitar is not a difficult process.

2. It is not a "small order for a handful of entry level product." It is a request from a dealer. Companies that want to thrive in a difficult environment have to take care of their dealers.

After being in business this long, Larrivee should be able to generate price quotes quickly. The cost of fretting a neck is the same for every guitar. The labor involved in bending the sides and building the guitar is the same as for all three series. And the difference in the cost of materials for an 00 vs. a dread is negligible.

Other businesses can provide more complicated quotes in minutes. There is no reason Larrivee cannot do the same. If, by now, Larrivee does not have all its costs figured out per process, they are in trouble.

Admittedly, I am down on Larrivee because of its lack of response on a customer service issue. I had already decided that I would never purchase a new Larrivee again because the company did not offer enough reason to pay the extra cost for new vs. used. This guitar had me excited and rethinking my decision. But once again, the company's lack of response has me concerned.

Jim

Seems to me that the only answer would be for you to find another company.  Or maybe with your vast business experience, you could start one.

Ed


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: scdreger on November 26, 2009, 03:32:09 PM
1. The guitar that has been described in this thread is not that difficult to spec out. Larrivee has been making guitars for how long? They are already making guitars in this body size. They are already using the same materials. Specing out this guitar is not a difficult process.

2. It is not a "small order for a handful of entry level product." It is a request from a dealer. Companies that want to thrive in a difficult environment have to take care of their dealers.

After being in business this long, Larrivee should be able to generate price quotes quickly. The cost of fretting a neck is the same for every guitar. The labor involved in bending the sides and building the guitar is the same as for all three series. And the difference in the cost of materials for an 00 vs. a dread is negligible.

Other businesses can provide more complicated quotes in minutes. There is no reason Larrivee cannot do the same. If, by now, Larrivee does not have all its costs figured out per process, they are in trouble.

Admittedly, I am down on Larrivee because of its lack of response on a customer service issue. I had already decided that I would never purchase a new Larrivee again because the company did not offer enough reason to pay the extra cost for new vs. used. This guitar had me excited and rethinking my decision. But once again, the company's lack of response has me concerned.

Jim


This doesn't seem like an unreasonable amount of time to wait for pricing. Especially around a holiday week. If you can't be patient while waiting for the price, how in the world are you gonna be patient enough to wait for your custom order? Let's all be thankful today for what we got and if possible sneak in some time with guitars we already got. Happy Thanksgiving everyone!  :smile:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jimmyb on November 26, 2009, 03:35:58 PM
I'd bet my house on it, Jimmy. But that's a beautiful example of the other type. What's that neck on? The Yamaha LL series does stuff like that and a luthier friend here in Dunedin always rips his neck stock down the centre and rotates the pieces (don't know which way) so that any stresses are reversed. My first decent (?) acoustic was a Framus dred that had a laminated neck with as many pieces as that Martin example above, but it was all of the same wood and stained evenly so that it didn't have the construction ply look that Martin has achieved. BTW did you see my post on the ukes made by the luthier mentioned above. I'm pretty sure his ukes would make you  :drool:, maybe I'll go into the shop and take a pic or two to show you what they look like.  Cheers, Rick

Rick,
Thanks for the nice words, the neck is on my Comins "Classic" Archtop. See below.

Sorry for the semi-hijack everyone. Now, back to our regularly scheduled F-IV discussion involving WHO, WHEN, HOW MUCH, ETC....

Jimmy

(http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk46/jimmyb-028/Comins%20Classic%20Archtop/CominsClassicArchtop8309.jpg)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on November 26, 2009, 04:02:37 PM
Jim with all due respect, the guitar has not been described. No one on this forum knows what the specifications are.
1.) 15 guitars is a small order for a company that produces 10s of thousands of guitars each year.

Larrivee is not producing 10s of thousands of guitars each year in the current economy. Martin made 68,931 guitars last year. I doubt that Larrivee made half that.

2.) 03 is Larrivee's entry level.

Yes it is. Are you suggesting that Larrivee should ignore the 03 series? It seems to me that the low end of the market is where sales are coming from right now. Again, look at Martin. It introduced the 1 series of low end guitars in 2008 and sold every one it could make. In addition, the fact that it is an 03 series guitar should make setting a price even easier, given the number of 03 series guitars.
 


3.) I don't see this as in any way a reflection of Larrivee not taking care of one of their dealers. "Care" is the key operative here. Not "speed".

Speed is extremely important. A dealer is a business and one of the keys of good business is taking care of your customers when they want to be taken care of, not when you are ready to take care of them. A number of dealers have dropped Larrivee over the past year or so. There has to be a reason why.

And as I said elsewhere, if Larrivee does not yet have pricing down to a process, they have a lot of catching up to do.


2.) 03 is Larrivee's entry level.
3.)4.) All of this is unrelated to any customer service issues you may have with the company.[/quote]

Yes, it is related. If a company is slow to respond when they have the opportunity to make sales, why would anyone think they would not be slow to respond if there are issues? In my case, they did not respond to multiple communications via email, telephone and regular mail.

You can call Martin on the phone and talk to someone right away. Same with Taylor, Breedlove and others. You cannot call Larrivee and get anything other than a recorded message. Business is too competitive right now to waste time on anything. And remember, Larrivee is in business to SELL guitars, not make them.

Happy Thanksgiving to you, too....and to everyone else.

Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on November 26, 2009, 04:06:39 PM
Seems to me that the only answer would be for you to find another company.  Or maybe with your vast business experience, you could start one.

I have started companies and ran a business for nine years before closing it to join the company I now work for. The biggest lesson I learned is that if you do not respond to potential customers quickly, they will find someone else who will. And once they do that, you have very little chance of getting them back.

As for starting one, I may do it again. But right now, I have a great job working for a company that generates more than $5 billion a year in revenue and has more than 40,000 employees. And, as I said in a different thread, because of the way the business is run, we have just recorded the three best quarters the company has ever had -- even in the midst of a recession.

Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 26, 2009, 04:24:48 PM
Jim, I really think you need to take a chill pill, read the 46 page Forum III thread to see just how that all played out and/or forget about getting the Forum IV. This is not a quick process. With the Forum III, there was tons of talk about the specs long before we got the price. Then there was a month to get your order/deposit in and then the waiting began.

We have no idea about the status of either Larrivee factory and their current commitments. I think getting all hot and bothered over not having a price essentially three days after this thread started is quite frankly, rediculous!

Just my six cents.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on November 26, 2009, 04:32:28 PM
Larrivee is not producing 10s of thousands of guitars each year in the current economy. Martin made 68,931 guitars last year. I doubt that Larrivee made half that.

Last I looked, that was 10s of thousands.

Bottom line for me is that it would be much easier for Larrivee to just say no to such an order.  Regardless of whether Jim is a dealer making a custom order, I am pretty sure that Larrivee will have been told by Jim that this is a forum IV order, not a Jim Holler order.  Based on the experience of the forum III, I suspect that Larrivee will be discussing the best deal they can give the forum.  I think the F-III was very competatively priced considering the subtle extras. 

I know that a number Larrivee employees read this forum (this became apparent during the forum III process) - I don't know if they just lurk, or if they are cleverly posing as one of us and joining in the fun, but they are present.  I can't help but feel the tone of this thread is missing the point a little now, and we should remember that Larrivee are doing us something of a favour, in return for effectively free advertising that the 'unofficial' forum provides for them.

You may disagree, but the extra care, effort, choice of prettiest woods, added little extras (herringbone trim etc.) on the F-III took it way beyond the standard 03 series package for me.  Larrivee could have treated it like any other std. dealers custom order and gone through the motions, but they went the extra mile for the forum.  Maybe I am delusional, but that would be your opinion.



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Dotneck on November 26, 2009, 04:33:08 PM
I like reading Jim's comments. People used to get mad at me when I would offer my opinions on these threads....now we have Jim!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on November 26, 2009, 04:37:23 PM
I like reading Jim's comments. People used to get mad at me when I would offer my opinions on these threads....now we have Jim!

Ah, taking sides now are we....... :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

 :humour:

Its all discussion, no pitchforks and torches..........yet, ha ha


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 26, 2009, 04:45:25 PM
   Larrivee is currently making a 00-03 run of guitars. Some have ordered them here on the forum.
                   I got the price for that one with one e-mail.

     We were told it would take one day to get the price for the 00-03MT

            It should have been to us already. That's the bottom line.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: eded on November 26, 2009, 04:49:34 PM
I have started companies and ran a business for nine years before closing it to join the company I now work for. The biggest lesson I learned is that if you do not respond to potential customers quickly, they will find someone else who will. And once they do that, you have very little chance of getting them back.

As for starting one, I may do it again. But right now, I have a great job working for a company that generates more than $5 billion a year in revenue and has more than 40,000 employees. And, as I said in a different thread, because of the way the business is run, we have just recorded the three best quarters the company has ever had -- even in the midst of a recession.
Jim

Well apparently Larrivee is not meeting your expectations...  and you seem to be the only one.  Maybe it's time to find a guitar company that will better satisfy your needs.  I'm just saying, some of this anger and vitriol can't be healthy.  Sometimes it's best to move on.

Ed


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on November 26, 2009, 05:14:48 PM
   Larrivee is currently making a 00-03 run of guitars. Some have ordered them here on the forum.
                   I got the price for that one with one e-mail.

     We were told it would take one day to get the price for the 00-03MT

            It should have been to us already. That's the bottom line.
Why don't you just PM Jim the price for the 00-03. He can add a $100 or $200 for the Hog top upgrade and have a ballpark figure.  If you know the price of a 00-03 the F-IV can't be too far off that, certainly not less.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on November 26, 2009, 05:21:45 PM
Well apparently Larrivee is not meeting your expectations...  and you seem to be the only one.  Maybe it's time to find a guitar company that will better satisfy your needs.  I'm just saying, some of this anger and vitriol can't be healthy.  Sometimes it's best to move on.

Ed,

I had decided about a year ago -- after the company failed to respond to a concern I had -- that I would no longer purchase new Larrivee guitars. I like the guitars and will purchase used. The best reason to buy new is that if you are the original owner, you have the company standing behind its products. In my case, Larrivee did not only not stand behind its product, it totally ignored me. So in that case, there is no benefit to spending the extra money for a new guitar.

When I saw this thread, I became interested in this guitar and started to think about buying a new guitar from Larrivee once again. At the beginning of this thread, we were told that the price would be available in a day. It was not. So to me, this is just another case of Larrivee being unresponsive, and it confirms my previous decision rather than overturn it.

I am not angry about this. However, I am disappointed that Larrivee continues to be so unresponsive to its customers...particularly in a time when it -- and the entire industry -- is hurting. Their lack of response to issues, the inability to call them, the number of dealers who are dropping their line and their lack of response here make me wonder how serious they are about running their business.

Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 26, 2009, 05:25:25 PM
I like reading Jim's comments. People used to get mad at me when I would offer my opinions on these threads....now we have Jim!
 Sorry, if it was me. I get a little too deep into this stuff and then get my head cleared up by being away from it. Then when I come back to this process sometimes I see it completely in a different light.
        Everyone should be able to speak there mind on a Forum Guitar.
                  
I just may need to draft some  help to scan thru all these extra pages and       glean the interested members names and PM them the price.

Why don't you just PM Jim the price for the 00-03. He can add a $100 or $200 for the Hog top upgrade and have a ballpark figure.  If you know the price of a 00-03 the F-IV can't be too far off that, certainly not less.
 Jim is the one who gave me the price for the 00-03. That's how this got started. Randy suggested that I ask a dealer to make a MT in the current run of 00's. So when I asked Jim he contacted Larrivee and they were to far along in the 00-03 run, but if 4 would order a 00-03MT then we could do it.
           Then I posted this thread and it transformed into a F-IV. So I have a good idea of the price but I could be wrong, so I'm waiting like everyone else.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on November 26, 2009, 05:26:47 PM
Well apparently Larrivee is not meeting your expectations...  and you seem to be the only one.  Maybe it's time to find a guitar company that will better satisfy your needs.  I'm just saying, some of this anger and vitriol can't be healthy.  Sometimes it's best to move on.  Ed
Not to worry, Ed.  It is good to air out opinions.  That is what these forums do.  As far as we know, Larrivee might be fighting for their survival, what with the rumor of them closing Oxnard and the inability to answer the phone.  Jim and Danny and others have legitimate concerns.  

This go-around of a forum guitar quickly gathered steam but there are still many questions.  I say let the fur fly and see what happens.  

Oh, and happy Thanksgiving today, for those who honor the day.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: GA-ME on November 26, 2009, 05:32:08 PM
Why don't you just PM Jim the price for the 00-03.

Probably, because there currently is no 00-03, or 00-05, 00-09, 00-50, etc, in the Larrivee line-up to establish an estimated price.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 26, 2009, 05:35:11 PM
Probably, because there currently is no 00-03, or 00-05, 00-09, 00-50, etc, in the Larrivee line-up to establish an estimated price.
  You missed my post above, just look back a few.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 26, 2009, 05:47:37 PM
At the beginning of this thread, we were told that the price would be available in a day. It was not. So to me, this is just another case of Larrivee being unresponsive, and it confirms my previous decision rather than overturn it.

Jim

Just curious, do you always give everybody just one chance to fulfill your requests?



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: acoustic6 on November 26, 2009, 05:57:54 PM
Here are a few pics of the 3 piece neck on my P-03.  Note the joint at the heel and if you look closely at side of the headstock you'll see the line of the other joint just above the low E tuner.  Hope these help give some idea. 

Happy Thanksgiving!

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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tadol on November 26, 2009, 06:00:49 PM
If Larrivee were extruding guitars from a vat of raw materials that were delivered by generic tanker truck to automated machinery run by minimally trained factory workers, there would be some validity to these arguments.

But that is why manufacturing solid wood instruments is so different from almost everything else - even building solid wood furniture. You cannot  just pick up the phone and order a unit of mahogany - there are no warehouses of this stuff that can FedEx soundboard quality material to you overnight. And they don't even have a quantity to base their material needs on -

Larrivee has right now - and I'm guessing based on my visits - somewhere between 1 and 2 dozen employees. And thats at both plants combined. Everyone is hands-on. I watched the P-03s being made in Oxnard, and Jean and Matthew were very hands-on in those builds. I doubt CF Martin IV is on the assembly line routing bindings on his entry level guitars. We know that Jean and Matthew are trying to finish some P-03Rs, we know they are building a couple dozen 00-03s, as well as mandolins, electrics, and the usual Ls, Ds, and OMs. They also MAY be closing a plant - if the posts here have any validity - and from those posts it sounds like there may be a few unhappy employees. That may not be boosting their productivity. Plus they are probably trying to ship instruments out for the holiday shopping season, while also trying to have a little time for themselves to spend with their families - this is a family-run company, and almost every member of the family is very involved in it. ( Can you imagine Jean as Father Christmas with his grandkids! )

Add to all that the request has been made to build these from South American mahogany - difficult to get, especially in soundboard quality. They have lots of beautiful mahogany, but its other varieties, so I am sure they have to check stocks, and make judgement calls about suitability and quantity they are willing to commit to this project,  and see how it fits into the production with their other commitments. They may even be thinking about closing both plants for part of the holidays - and due to what they do, it is not as simple as turning out the lights and locking the doors, as it is at most companies.

Bottom line - this is not about beating up some Asian factory to get an order shipped to a fulfillment company to package and then ship to distributors who will handle the customers. The Larrivees have always done an outstanding job of building the Forum some beautiful guitars at outstanding prices. I am very glad for that, and will always cherish the ones I have. If they are unable to meet your expectations during the planning stage, save yourself ( and the rest of us ) from having to endure the rest of the process. Maybe Taylor or Martin can quote you and build your custom faster and provide details in a more timely fashion. Other companies can lay up some carbon fiber and lather on some petrochemical compound and you can have it as soon as it cures. Know now, that Larrivee will build to their standards and time frame, not ours.

You may feel you are a better businessman, or economist, or planner, but you either need to trust the Larrivee family as the high quality craftspeople and artists that they have proven to be, and trust that the instruments that they will eventually ship will be more than worth the wait and very reasonable cost you'll incur, or you need to drop out and buy something else - They are doing what they do the way they do it. It has created wonderful instruments, talented craftspeople, and some wonderful memories for alot of us. They aren't worried about making more guitars - only better ones. Customers who want a Larrivee won't but just anything else because they have to wait a couple more weeks - maybe your product has less brand loyalty, or is so generic that price or delivery date are the only things that influence your potential customers. But not Larrivee guitars -

I'd encourage everyone to relax and let the process work - I'm quite sure you will be very pleased with the end result -  Enjoy your holidays, enjoy your family, enjoy the guitars you have, make some music and share it with your friends and neighbors. The details you'll need to decide if this is for you will undoubtedly be available shortly -

Happy Thanksgiving - all the good people on this Forum are one more thing that I am thankful for -

Tad


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on November 26, 2009, 06:03:24 PM
Just curious, do you always give everybody just one chance to fulfill your requests?

This was chance #2 for Larrivee.

As I mentioned previously, they totally ignored me with a customer service issue. This has just confirmed my expectations.

As for how many chances I give everyone, if there are two businesses that offer the same thing and one wants my business more than the other, I go with the one that wants my business.

Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 26, 2009, 06:09:18 PM


I'd encourage everyone to relax and let the process work - I'm quite sure you will be very pleased with the end result -  Enjoy your holidays, enjoy your family, enjoy the guitars you have, make some music and share it with your friends and neighbors. The details you'll need to decide if this is for you will undoubtedly be available shortly -

Happy Thanksgiving - all the good people on this Forum are one more thing that I am thankful for -

Tad
 Well Tad, thanks for the whole post, but I especially needed this last part. I think I'll go mow the lawn or something. It's a beautiful day today.  Thank you Lord.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Safricanplayer on November 26, 2009, 06:23:55 PM

I'd encourage everyone to relax and let the process work - I'm quite sure you will be very pleased with the end result -  Enjoy your holidays, enjoy your family, enjoy the guitars you have, make some music and share it with your friends and neighbors. The details you'll need to decide if this is for you will undoubtedly be available shortly -

Happy Thanksgiving - all the good people on this Forum are one more thing that I am thankful for -

Tad

While it appears that there is a fair amount of pent up frustration towards Larrivee by some Forum member, I want to re-iterate the extremely positive customer service I recieved while working with Jim Holler to resolve my finish issue on my Forum III Hog with the folks at Larrivee :thumbsup Guitar should be here tomorrow ~ I'm excited!!

Finally, follow Tad's advice...Life's too short!!

 ~ Ray ~


PS. If you've got some time to kill today, check out my sister (Diane Birch) playing with Daryl Hall at his home with his band. She was the October artist on his show, "live from Daryl's house". I flew out to be part of the event ~ the thrill of a lifetime  :smile: You can view it at www.lfdh.com.



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on November 26, 2009, 06:29:07 PM
If Larrivee were extruding guitars from a vat of raw materials that were delivered by generic tanker truck to automated machinery run by minimally trained factory workers, there would be some validity to these arguments.

It actually is that simple. By this point in its existence, Larrivee should know how long it takes to bend sides, how long it takes to glue kerfing, how long it takes to attach the top, etc. We are not talking about one-of-a-kind handbuilt guitars. We are talking about production line guitars.

You cannot  just pick up the phone and order a unit of mahogany - there are no warehouses of this stuff that can FedEx soundboard quality material to you overnight.

Actually, you can do just that. And you don't even need to get it shipped to you overnight because the wood supplier can give you the price and availability over the phone.

Larrivee has right now - and I'm guessing based on my visits - somewhere between 1 and 2 dozen employees. And thats at both plants combined. Everyone is hands-on. I watched the P-03s being made in Oxnard, and Jean and Matthew were very hands-on in those builds. I doubt CF Martin IV is on the assembly line routing bindings on his entry level guitars.

Absolutely correct. Chris Martin is not on the line building guitars. He is running the business. And no matter what romantic notions there are of it, a guitar company is there to sell guitars. Chris Martin runs the business and lets others build the guitars. He does not do their jobs and leave his job undone. If Jean and Matthew Larrivee are building guitars, who is running the business?


We know that Jean and Matthew are trying to finish some P-03Rs, we know they are building a couple dozen 00-03s, as well as mandolins, electrics, and the usual Ls, Ds, and OMs. They also MAY be closing a plant - if the posts here have any validity - and from those posts it sounds like there may be a few unhappy employees. That may not be boosting their productivity.

Those are all issues of running a business. But if you do not put customer service first, those issues will all go away.

Plus they are probably trying to ship instruments out for the holiday shopping season, while also trying to have a little time for themselves to spend with their families - this is a family-run company, and almost every member of the family is very involved in it. ( Can you imagine Jean as Father Christmas with his grandkids! )

I saw an interview on TV with Paul Reed Smith. He recently had to lay off 15% of his employees and told the interviewer that he is now working seven days a week and told his wife she will not see much of him for several months. When you own a business and have people depending on you, that's what you have to do.

Know now, that Larrivee will build to their standards and time frame, not ours.

That's fine. But I am the customers and if their way does not match my expectations, I can go elsewhere. Fortunately for me, it is currently easier for customers to find guitars to purchase than it is for companies to find customers.

They are doing what they do the way they do it.

History is full of failed companies who did things their way instead of the way customers want.

Customers who want a Larrivee won't but just anything else because they have to wait a couple more weeks - maybe your product has less brand loyalty, or is so generic that price or delivery date are the only things that influence your potential customers. But not Larrivee guitars -

I sure hope the people at Larrivee do not believe that. There has never been a time when customers have had more choices at more levels of quality and at more price ranges than they have right now. Brand loyalty may make some people wait, but it does not apply to most people who buy guitars.

Remember that people on this forum are unlike most guitar buyers. Most people who buy guitars go to Sam Ash, Guitar Center or another dealer to look and play what is hanging on the wall. They have no allegiance to a particular brand, though they may have heard about Martin or Gibson guitars. They look at what's out there and then make a choice.

Larrivee's way of doing things has keeps them out of GC, is making them disappear from Sam Ash and is causing other dealers to drop their line so they are not in many stores. No big name artist play Larrivee guitars, the company is not advertising. So how are people supposed to learn about Larrivee guitars and develop brand loyalty? The number of people in this forum who will not buy anything else is not enough to support a guitar company.


Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on November 26, 2009, 06:38:39 PM
As for how many chances I give everyone, if there are two businesses that offer the same thing and one wants my business more than the other, I go with the one that wants my business.

that is very sensible in business. I feel exactly the same. My point is that larrivee do not offer the same as martin, Taylor, Gibson etc. That is why we are members of this forum (generally).  Larrivee score on the quality of the product in a marketplace where quality speaks a million times louder than speed of service.  Further up the chain, how long would you wait for a Ryan for example. Would you expect an instant response on all questions, or would you expect to get a detailed researched and accurate response.

Larrivee tread the middle ground between factory production line v hand built, affordable v expensive, economical business v family enterprise. Give them credit for not losing sight of that.

And +1 to what Tad said.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on November 26, 2009, 06:42:47 PM
Further up the chain, how long would you wait for a Ryan for example. Would you expect an instant response on all questions, or would you expect to get a detailed researched and accurate response.

Well, I can tell you that when I needed to contact Martin, I was easily able to get someone on the phone and get the help I needed.

When I needed help with a Bourgeois that was not even under warranty because I was not the original owner,  was easily able to get someone on the phone and get the help I needed.

Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on November 26, 2009, 06:49:05 PM
Jim, don't get me wrong, I accept your previous experience with customer services was unacceptable for any company, and see inconsistencies in customer services at Larrivee as a bit of a problem. I refer specifically to seeking a quote for a custom order, which is what this thread is about.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 26, 2009, 06:52:21 PM
 :crying:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on November 26, 2009, 06:53:32 PM
Sorry danny, I'll shut up now.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on November 26, 2009, 06:55:12 PM
First, I would like everyone to take a deep breath as other's have said and relax. I am new to this forum and am discouraged by the animosity. I am ok whether we get a price tomorrow or in two weeks. The reality is that we are able to purchase these special guitars from Larrive. This is great in my opinion as I hope to have something that few in the world will have. This is fantastic...

In regards to having two competitors and going to the one that responds, I know that there are not two different Larrivee company's, but if you can find one go for it.

Other than this, can we please all get along (a tad bit of sarcasm).

One last observation, all I see is speculation and assumptions, and we all know what happens when we assume...so, be glad and THANKFUL that Larrivee is willing to make these guitars, because if I were Jean and was aware of all this bashing, I might decide otherwise...

Again, I believe this is Thanksgiving, so can we please be thankful...

I know, I am new, so I hope I did not offend anyone. If I did, well it happens more times than not. Get over it and be an adult...
 
-James

 :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 26, 2009, 07:04:28 PM
Sorry danny, I'll shut up now.
  Ben it's not your post, it's this whole long ongoing debate about business and the way Larrivee operates. 
               I am disappointed but Tad put this all in perspective, as far as I'm concerned.
                      No worries though for anyone, just say what needs to be said.
      I'll shut up myself.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tadol on November 26, 2009, 08:07:48 PM
If all this is is a quote for a special order for you, you can contact a few different dealers - they are listed on Larrivees website.

I thought this was about getting a special run of guitars for Forum members, with a little non-standard specification, from a specific dealer who was also offering some additional service not normally included, at a really special price - ie, expecting alot of favors and special treatment based on our long-term relationship, understanding, and support of the company - which apparently a few may not feel, but still expect the benefit of -

I don't really care if someone gets PO'd, or feels the need to try to demonstrate advanced understanding of an industry they clearly don't understand. For some, making money doing one thing is all the validation they need to prove they can do anything else, or are always right -  cool -

Those of us who took part in the F3 order are a little anxious because we know just how great this deal can be, and how special these guitars will be. But I think we also know that it will happen the way it will happen - based on our actual experience. Arguments, however well stated, evidenced, or loudly made, won't change that -

There are a couple of sweet 00s and a couple lovely  MTs in the FS section - for a few extra dollars you can probably have any of them in your hands within a week. If you want a great 00-03MT, you're just gonna have to wait patiently, and see what happens. If you want it now, and new, well, here's a great option -

http://www.elderly.com/new_instruments/items/SC1929.htm

I've played one, and you won't be disappointed - ( oh, and they answer the phone during all business hours, except during lunch - )

Tad


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 26, 2009, 08:26:20 PM
Tad,

You always have great words of wisdom.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 26, 2009, 08:29:57 PM
Jim,

you might want to keep in mind that Larrivee is not Martin. I think you could do yourself a big favour by going with another manufacturer who answers the phone when you call and provides answers as quickly as you expect them to. Buying a forum guitar is an experience based in patience.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on November 26, 2009, 08:34:05 PM
As much as I like my F-III LS-03R, and it has been opening up VERY nicely, I hope Larrivee will not hurry to build the F-IV.  The F-III nut was not cut correctly and QC didn't flag it.  I had to replace it.

I say let Larrivee do it without having to meet a deadline.  I'll be patient.

edited for accuracy...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: leerichards on November 26, 2009, 08:42:38 PM
Lyricgirl, you told me earlier that I don't know you if I use the word "intellectual" in reference to you. Well excuse me, but it seems to me that you have more wisdom in you than you could shake a stick at. And a big kind heart to go with it. Who needs more than that.....?  :bgrin: Rick


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 26, 2009, 08:52:51 PM
As much as I like my F-III LS-03R, and it has been opening up VERY nicely, I hope Larrivee will not hurry to build the F-IV.  The F-IV (F-III) nut was not cut correctly and QC didn't flag it.  I had to replace it.

I say let Larrivee do it without having to meet a deadline.  I'll be patient.
Hi prof. all I have is a G.E.D. but on the nut I'm sure you meant F-III (for the sake of newbies and those not here during the F-III build)

If all this is is a quote for a special order for you, you can contact a few different dealers - they are listed on Larrivees website.

I thought this was about getting a special run of guitars for Forum members, with a little non-standard specification, from a specific dealer who was also offering some additional service not normally included, at a really special price - ie, expecting alot of favors and special treatment based on our long-term relationship, understanding, and support of the company - which apparently a few may not feel, but still expect the benefit of -

I don't really care if someone gets PO'd, or feels the need to try to demonstrate advanced understanding of an industry they clearly don't understand. For some, making money doing one thing is all the validation they need to prove they can do anything else, or are always right -  cool -

Those of us who took part in the F3 order are a little anxious because we know just how great this deal can be, and how special these guitars will be. But I think we also know that it will happen the way it will happen - based on our actual experience. Arguments, however well stated, evidenced, or loudly made, won't change that -

There are a couple of sweet 00s and a couple lovely  MTs in the FS section - for a few extra dollars you can probably have any of them in your hands within a week. If you want a great 00-03MT, you're just gonna have to wait patiently, and see what happens. If you want it now, and new, well, here's a great option -

http://www.elderly.com/new_instruments/items/SC1929.htm

I've played one, and you won't be disappointed - ( oh, and they answer the phone during all business hours, except during lunch - )

Tad
     Tad, would you continue to post here, please? You are the right voice, at the right time. And we all need the calibration...or tuning, so to speak.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on November 26, 2009, 09:06:10 PM
Hi prof. all I have is a G.E.D. but on the nut I'm sure you meant F-III (for the sake of newbies and those not here during the F-III build)
Thanks.  I just edited it for accuracy.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on November 26, 2009, 09:36:20 PM
Buying a forum guitar is an experience based in patience.

Maybe I am a bit pathetic, but the whole forum III thing meant a lot to me.  I made friends, learned a whole lot about guitar making, and ended up with a fantastic guitar that has elements that instantly make me think of certain forum members - three dot fret market from Tuffy, Italian Spruce top suggested by Adam, Danny requesting the shallow body depth, Herringbone rosette requested through lengthy discussions, picks from photomat, the efforts of Lynda, Danny, photomat and Ricky (and others) to take pictures of my guitar in Vancouver and emailing them to me at 3 in the morning, ha ha!  Ricky's 'BREAKING NEWS' posts with my morning cuppa is something I will never forget.

I know some saw it as a guitar purchace like any other, but for some of us at least it was more than that.  Experience is the right work Lynda.  I enjoyed every minute of the experience

I know I said I'd shut up - I'm not arguing, I am just trying to be positive.

Ben



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on November 26, 2009, 10:04:16 PM
                 
  Jim is the one who gave me the price for the 00-03. That's how this got started. Randy suggested that I ask a dealer to make a MT in the current run of 00's. So when I asked Jim he contacted Larrivee and they were to far along in the 00-03 run, but if 4 would order a 00-03MT then we could do it.
           Then I posted this thread and it transformed into a F-IV. So I have a good idea of the price but I could be wrong, so I'm waiting like everyone else.

I'm sorry Danny, I should have been more specific. The Jim I was referring too was  jwsamuel.

Probably, because there currently is no 00-03, or 00-05, 00-09, 00-50, etc, in the Larrivee line-up to establish an estimated price.
I was just responding to this post from Danny.

  Larrivee is currently making a 00-03 run of guitars. Some have ordered them here on the forum.
                   I got the price for that one with one e-mail.

     We were told it would take one day to get the price for the 00-03MT

            It should have been to us already. That's the bottom line.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on November 26, 2009, 10:05:44 PM
Here are a few pics of the 3 piece neck on my P-03.  Note the joint at the heel and if you look closely at side of the headstock you'll see the line of the other joint just above the low E tuner.  Hope these help give some idea. 

Happy Thanksgiving!
Thanks for the pic's acoustic6.  Happy Thanksgiving to you too.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 26, 2009, 10:16:25 PM
Maybe I am a bit pathetic, but the whole forum III thing meant a lot to me.  I made friends, learned a whole lot about guitar making, and ended up with a fantastic guitar that has elements that instantly make me think of certain forum members - three dot fret market from Tuffy, Italian Spruce top suggested by Adam, Danny requesting the shallow body depth, Herringbone rosette requested through lengthy discussions, picks from photomat, the efforts of Lynda, Danny, photomat and Ricky (and others) to take pictures of my guitar in Vancouver and emailing them to me at 3 in the morning, ha ha!  Ricky's 'BREAKING NEWS' posts with my morning cuppa is something I will never forget.

I know some saw it as a guitar purchace like any other, but for some of us at least it was more than that.  Experience is the right work Lynda.  I enjoyed every minute of the experience (except Her Majesty's Customs and Excise keeping it for 2 weeks - isn't the UK great!)

I know I said I'd shut up - I'm not arguing, I am just trying to be positive.

Ben


  Ditto Ben. It was a cool experience for all of us.


I'm sorry Danny, I should have been more specific. The Jim I was referring too was  jwsamuel.
I was just responding to this post from Danny.

                  Roger it's good to have your input here. I get confused at times. (ADHD) I have medicine for it but sometimes I see things backwards too. Anyway, I am very happy to see the members who have a some good experience and knowledge of Larrivee to post here.
                                  In fact DUCK, I know you must read this thread. What are your thoughts and walkerman.

                     In fact I would like a lot more input from the forum myself.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on November 26, 2009, 10:36:18 PM
  I get confused at times. (ADHD) I have medicine for it but sometimes I see things backwards too.

I thought I was the only one.  Sometimes I think the money I spend on the medicine just makes my head spin more.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on November 26, 2009, 10:40:21 PM
Danny we are all thankful you took this project on!!!!!!!!  :cheers


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 26, 2009, 10:44:36 PM
Danny we are all thankful you took this project on!!!!!!!!  :cheers
                      You are welcome, but I need the other folks around here to see it through.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 26, 2009, 11:27:49 PM
                      You are welcome, but I need the other folks around here to see it through.

Danny, I will do what I can if you want me to.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 26, 2009, 11:33:17 PM
Danny, I will do what I can if you want me to.
  Thanks Lynda


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: eded on November 27, 2009, 12:52:59 AM
Dan, I'm already in for one of the short run 00-03's (the spruce top version), and the mt just doesn't work for me.  I've never followed a forum order thread before so this is really an education for me.  And, fun to boot.  Thanks to you (and Jim, for sure) for going through the motions.

Ed


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 27, 2009, 01:30:35 AM
Dan, I'm already in for one of the short run 00-03's (the spruce top version), and the mt just doesn't work for me.  I've never followed a forum order thread before so this is really an education for me.  And, fun to boot.  Thanks to you (and Jim, for sure) for going through the motions.

Ed
  Your welcome.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: sniggs on November 27, 2009, 02:02:21 AM
can someone please PM me the price of the 20 run of the  00-03s,thanks


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frasier1 on November 27, 2009, 02:07:51 AM
Can someone just PM me???   I'm not sure I have my profile settings set correctly!
Just like a "Test 1,2,3,.........." kinda thing!

Thx!!

 :beer


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on November 27, 2009, 02:13:38 AM
I don't really care if someone gets PO'd, or feels the need to try to demonstrate advanced understanding of an industry they clearly don't understand.

Tad..the guitar business is no different than any other business. You make a product. You sell a product at a profit. To do that, you  create satisfied customers and provide a way for them to purchase your product. If you don't do that and don't make money, you will no longer exist.

For some, making money doing one thing is all the validation they need to prove they can do anything else, or are always right -  cool -

If you are a business, you do not exist if you do not make money. It's not about validation, It is about making money for yourself, It's about providing jobs for other people so that they can provide for themselves and their families. When you run a business, you are responsible for all of those people too...not just your own feelings and desires. Remember...Larrivee does not exist to make guitars any more than Honda exists to make cars. They both exist as businesses to do one thing: sell products. If that attitude offends your sensibilities, I suggest you never go into business for yourself. If you are not in it to make money, it's a hobby.

Jim




Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on November 27, 2009, 02:18:26 AM
you might want to keep in mind that Larrivee is not Martin. I think you could do yourself a big favour by going with another manufacturer who answers the phone when you call and provides answers as quickly as you expect them to.

In my experience with Larrivee, it was not a question of them answering as quickly as I expected them to. It was a total lack of response. They just ignored my attempts to contact them. Yes you are correct. Larrivee is not Martin. Of course, Larrivee likes to portray itself as a guitar company in which Jean and Matthew Larrivee are personally involved, and claim that is a good thing. Yet Jean and Matthew Larrivee totally ignore correspondence that is sent to them via several methods. Am I supposed to feel honored that I was ignored by Jean Larrivee himself and not some flunkie?

Jim 



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frasier1 on November 27, 2009, 02:33:23 AM
It worked!!!  Thx Danny!

Happy Thanksgiving to all of you from Alaska!
Hope ya'll have had your fill of Turkey today as I have!

And I'm really looking forward to this Forum IV process.
It should be fun to watch it develop and happen!
Thanks to all of you that are involved, or will be - especially Larrivee!

Cheers!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 27, 2009, 02:37:06 AM
  Jim, may I suggest you start a new thread about this. It is apparently something you know a lot about and feel strongly about. But frankly it's taking up a lot of pages on this thread.
    Please don't be offended. Just start another topic about your concerns.
             I know I wouldn't care to see it or participate in it. But others may car too.
               COME ON GUYS TAKE THIS SOMEWHERE ELSE....


Sorry - end of discussion  - I'll keep my comments here focused on the Forum IV guitar. I should have checked before posting my last comment and I would have seen your request.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 27, 2009, 03:22:25 AM
  Good night y'all. Keep the peace (not 3 piece neck) just PEACE. We'll get there by and by. I expect.
                       One way or another :donut


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: vates on November 27, 2009, 01:50:36 PM
Haven't been on this forum for a long time and here you are: an F-IV!  :roll
Thums up to Danny, Jim and Larrivee  :thumbsup


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 27, 2009, 02:51:16 PM
This is what "Jrdavies" did for us on a spread sheet. When I copied it to paste here the columns were lost, so it looks a bit uneven. But I have the spreadsheet and so does he, so we will be able to be sure and contact each interested person with the price.
   Also I have some who are not on the list and I believe Jim Holler probably has some not on here either.

                                     Thank you John for this helping hand I appreciate it very much.



     Name     Post #     Status
Dependan    1    In
GeOff    3    Interested
Prof_stack    5    Interested
Gitnoob    9    Wants Price
JoycefromNS    13    Interested, maybe (update...In)
Queenqueg    22    In
Frederico    26    Wants Price
Scdreger    28    Interested
Sniggs    42    Wants price
Scdreger    48    Wants price
Jamesb1101    50    Wants Price
Gdeiss    52    Wants Price
Jwsamuel    54    Wants Price
Jamesb1101    67    Wants Price
Frasier1    79    In
Jrdavies    81    In
Denis    88    In
Rmp60912    101    Interested
Mikeymac    106    Interested
BluesMan1    112    Interested
Blue in VT    119    Interested
Dotneck    120    Interested
Frank S    131    Interested
Lyric_girl       Seems interested
Bluebear    160    In
Fongie    165    Wants Price
Jagadis    178    Interest maybe
Rpm60912    180    Interested maybe
Southern Cross    206    Wants Price
Naboz    222    Wants Price
Pierrev    230    Wants Price
      


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 27, 2009, 02:56:30 PM
Lyric_Girl - seems interested.

Yes, the body size would be great for me to go along with my LS's and my parlor, however, as I said earlier unless I get a cash infusion, which is extremely unlikely, I have no way to pay for this one. :crying:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 27, 2009, 03:00:37 PM
This is what "Jrdavies" did for us on a spread sheet. When I copied it to paste here the columns were lost, so it looks a bit uneven. But I have the spreadsheet and so does he, so we will be able to be sure and contact each interested person with the price.
   Also I have some who are not on the list and I believe Jim Holler probably has some not on here either.

                                     Thank you John for this helping hand I appreciate it very much.



     Name     Post #     Status
Dependan    1    In
GeOff    3    Interested
Prof_stack    5    Interested
Gitnoob    9    Wants Price
JoycefromNS    13    Interested, maybe (update...In)
Queenqueg    22    In
Frederico    26    Wants Price
Scdreger    28    Interested
Sniggs    42    Wants price
Scdreger    48    Wants price
Jamesb1101    50    Wants Price
Gdeiss    52    Wants Price
Jwsamuel    54    Wants Price
Jamesb1101    67    Wants Price
Frasier1    79    In
Jrdavies    81    In
Denis    88    In
Rmp60912    101    Interested
Mikeymac    106    Interested
BluesMan1    112    Interested
Blue in VT    119    Interested
Dotneck    120    Interested
Frank S    131    Interested
Lyric_girl       Seems interested
Bluebear    160    In
Fongie    165    Wants Price
Jagadis    178    Interest maybe
Rpm60912    180    Interested maybe
Southern Cross    206    Wants Price
Naboz    222    Wants Price
Pierrev    230    Wants Price
      

   This is just an extraction from posts made on thre thread and we know some just want a price and will not order. But I thought it would be nice for everyone to see the effort of Jrdavies to do this for us.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on November 27, 2009, 03:19:23 PM
Danny, I will assist in any way I can. If that means communicating directly with Jim I can do that. Just let me know how I can help.
I have always received great customer service from Larrivee. (And from Martin too, by the way.)
I think attitude counts for a lot.
Larrivee didn't promise me a price on this one over night.
I ran my own business for several years. You can't please everyone all the time.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 27, 2009, 03:26:47 PM
Danny, I will assist in any way I can. If that means communicating directly with Jim I can do that. Just let me know how I can help.
I have always received great customer service from Larrivee. (And from Martin too, by the way.)
I think attitude counts for a lot.
Larrivee didn't promise me a price on this one over night.
I ran my own business for several years. You can't please everyone all the time.
      Thanks Mark, just jump right in.
            I truly am sorry that my attitude went south. I know it didn't help a thing.
             I'll not go that route again. (I hope)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 27, 2009, 04:25:37 PM
Danny, your attitude didn't go south. You were just fine.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 27, 2009, 04:40:58 PM
It's good to see that we have 20-30 folks who are serious about this...

...I'm definitely 'In' unless the unforeseeable happens and steals my "Forum IV fund!"  :nanadance :nana_guitar
 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 27, 2009, 09:57:17 PM
                                               WE HAVE THE PRICE NOW


I'll start PM's now and notify each one who asked. I don't have specs yet so keep return PM's down for now or  my box will fill up fast. As soon as I know specs. (more than 00-03MT) then they will be made known.


   Jim worked for us and got the price down to a very good value. I guess it's OK to say this much publicly, it is less than the F-III was.  Pm's are going out now, just takes time to get them all done.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 27, 2009, 10:13:11 PM
   Randy, since we have the price now we need to do something about an order only thread that can show the Forum name of the person ordering. This is at Jim's request.


              All orders are made with Trinity Guitars with a deposit of at least 25%


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Cybercanyon on November 27, 2009, 10:32:26 PM
Danny,

I know you are busy with all the F-IV stuff you have been doing, but when you get a chance, can you PM me the price please.
I am interested.

Thank you.

Mike


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 27, 2009, 10:43:41 PM
THE PRICE IS RIGHT!!!

I'm definitely in!!!

Yippie Skippy!!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Strings4Him on November 27, 2009, 10:52:42 PM
Please PM me with the price info.

thanks. . . .


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 27, 2009, 10:54:52 PM
Please PM me with the price info.

thanks. . . .
  I did as soon as you PM'd me.. Y'all need to check your PM's please. This is taking a lot of time to do as it is.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frederico on November 27, 2009, 10:57:40 PM
I'm interested pending on price confirmation.  Can you send me PM?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 27, 2009, 11:01:11 PM
    Name     Post #     Status
Dependan    1    In
GeOff    3    Interested
Prof_stack    5    Interested
Gitnoob    9    Wants Price
JoycefromNS    13    Interested, maybe (update...In)
Queenqueg    22    In
Frederico    26    Wants Price
Scdreger    28    Interested
Sniggs    42    Wants price
Scdreger    48    Wants price
Jamesb1101    50    Wants Price
Gdeiss    52    Wants Price
Jwsamuel    54    Wants Price
Jamesb1101    67    Wants Price
Frasier1    79    In
Jrdavies    81    In
Denis    88    In
Rmp60912    101    Interested
Mikeymac    106    Interested
BluesMan1    112    Interested
Blue in VT    119    Interested
Dotneck    120    Interested
Frank S    131    Interested
Lyric_girl       Seems interested
Bluebear    160    In
Fongie    165    Wants Price
Jagadis    178    Interest maybe
Rpm60912    180    Interested maybe
Southern Cross    206    Wants Price
Naboz    222    Wants Price
Pierrev    230    Wants Price
      

  I have PM' to Blue im VT at this point plus others in e-mails, so I will get everyone soon on the list. Plus the others asking now and e-mails. Jim Holler is also responding to some who have e-mailed him earlier. So we should cover everyone pretty soon.

                                             SO CHECK YOUR  PM"S BEFORE ASKING AGAIN PLEASE

I already PM'd you frederico


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: sniggs on November 27, 2009, 11:16:50 PM
Just would like to thank all those that have put work/time into this up to now,Danny and others, as I'm new here I'm not up on all those that have helped, so sorry for not naming you. :thumbsup


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on November 27, 2009, 11:19:21 PM
Just would like to thank all those that have put work/time into this up to now,Danny and others, as I'm new here I'm not up on all those that have help so sorry for not naming you. :thumbsup

+1  :thumb


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 27, 2009, 11:23:36 PM
Just would like to thank all those that have put work/time into this up to now,Danny and others, as I'm new here I'm not up on all those that have help so sorry for not naming you. :thumbsup
                  You're welcome.


 I have now finished PM's or e-mails to everyone on the list and more.
              

                     IF YOU DID NOT GET A PM, CHECK YOUR E-MAIL NOW
Forum restrictions stopped me from any more PM's for a little while (20 per hour) so I e-mailed the last five or so on the list. All should have it one way or another. However I know more will want it so we can share through PM's and e-mails. Let's just honor the foum rules and not post the price in the forum please.
              
                            PHASE ONE.....in the bag :donut


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on November 27, 2009, 11:25:31 PM
Just would like to thank all those that have put work/time into this up to now,Danny and others, as I'm new here I'm not up on all those that have help so sorry for not naming you. :thumbsup

good shout, add Jim Holler into that. He keeps quiet on here, but puts a lot of effort in behind the scenes. And well done Danny for staying relatively sane over the last 5 days!

Man I wish I was able to join the fun again. This is gonna be a sweet guitar!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 27, 2009, 11:26:19 PM
THE PRICE IS RIGHT!!!

I'm definitely in!!!

Yippie Skippy!!!
   You got that right...Yippie Skippy  :nice guitar:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on November 27, 2009, 11:34:03 PM
Even though I was disappointed in the amount of time, I still wanted to get the price but there is no PM in my box.

Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 27, 2009, 11:37:31 PM
Even though I was disappointed in the amount of time, I still wanted to get the price but there is no PM in my box.

Jim
  It is in your e-mail. I can PM some more now so I'll put it there as well.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on November 27, 2009, 11:40:57 PM
I am in!!!

When do we have to have our deposit in by, as I will have to mail a check. Is there a deadline?

-James


 :cheers :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 27, 2009, 11:41:35 PM
Even though I was disappointed in the amount of time, I still wanted to get the price but there is no PM in my box.

Jim
 I PM'd you as well but your box is full. SO check your e-mail.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 27, 2009, 11:43:21 PM
I am in!!!

When do we have to have our deposit in by, as I will have to mail a check. Is there a deadline?

-James


 :cheers :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar

  Deadline is a few weeks away at least. More to come on all that. But you can mail Trinity 25% anytime. Contact him first though.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 27, 2009, 11:47:12 PM
                                        WE HAVE THE PRICE NOW


I Pm'd or e-mailed everyone but I don't have specs yet so keep return PM's down for now or  my box will fill up fast. As soon as I know specs. (more than 00-03MT) then they will be made known.


   Jim worked for us and got the price down to a very good value. I guess it's OK to say this much publicly, it is less than the F-III was.
    Just to be sure the forum has seen this post.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on November 27, 2009, 11:47:33 PM
This is very cool!!!   All hog, 12 fret, 00, Larrivee...I am REALLY excited!!  

Thanks to Danny and Jim for enabling our gas!!!  What would we do without you???  


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on November 27, 2009, 11:56:29 PM
  Deadline is a few weeks away at least. More to come on all that. But you can mail Trinity 25% anytime. Contact him first though.

 :wave  Sorry to be a PITA but what is Jim's contact information?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jrdavies on November 27, 2009, 11:58:30 PM


You can find on the contacts page at http://trinityguitars.com/



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 27, 2009, 11:59:30 PM
:wave  Sorry to be a PITA but what is Jim's contact information?
 

Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars
2089 Camp St.
   Jamestown, NY 14701
716-499-3671
www.trinityguitars.com      and this one         jimholler@trinityguitars.com


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: gtrplayer on November 28, 2009, 12:32:10 AM
I might be interested could someone PM me on the price...thanks!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: gtrplayer on November 28, 2009, 12:41:43 AM
Thanks Danny...Great price!

I need to do some fancy financing and finagling now... incurable gas strikes again..

gtrplayer


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: mwenyeji on November 28, 2009, 12:46:02 AM
Hi,  I would be interested in the price if I could get it PMed or emailed to me.

Thank you.

e: thanks Danny.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 28, 2009, 12:54:54 AM
Hi,  I would be interested in the price if I could get it PMed or emailed to me.

Thank you.
   Check your e-mail


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on November 28, 2009, 01:17:44 AM
Any idea when the specs will be available (i.e. - paddle head or slot head, etc.)? I am assuming it will be standard 03 unless I see differently.

Jim



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 28, 2009, 01:50:13 AM
Any idea when the specs will be available (i.e. - paddle head or slot head, etc.)? I am assuming it will be standard 03 unless I see differently.

Jim


For now think of an OM-03MT in a 00 size.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: freestate101 on November 28, 2009, 01:50:33 AM
Danny,
I'm interested also, just been waiting for a price to come in. Could you PM the price to me also?

Thanks, Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: scdreger on November 28, 2009, 01:56:40 AM
Received pricing (thank you Danny).

I am in.

What is typically expected as far as deposit percentage?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 28, 2009, 01:57:14 AM
I'm interested also, just been waiting for a price to come in. Could you PM the price to me also?

Thanks, Jim
      Done...and so am I for the night y'all.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on November 28, 2009, 02:06:14 AM
Thank you, messenger Danny, and THANK YOU Jim for getting us these guitars at a no-brainer price.
:nana_guitar   :cheers   :nanadance   :nice guitar:   :drool:   :beer   :bgrin:

I'm IN.  I'll get the deposit to Jim tomorrow.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 28, 2009, 02:20:04 AM
Received pricing (thank you Danny).

I am in.

What is typically expected as far as deposit percentage?

He said Jim needs 25% down.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: imfignewton on November 28, 2009, 03:59:30 AM
Please PM me with the price info.

thanks. . .


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frederico on November 28, 2009, 04:53:32 AM
  I have PM' to Blue im VT at this point plus others in e-mails, so I will get everyone soon on the list. Plus the others asking now and e-mails. Jim Holler is also responding to some who have e-mailed him earlier. So we should cover everyone pretty soon.

                                             SO CHECK YOUR  PM"S BEFORE ASKING AGAIN PLEASE

I already PM'd you frederico

Danny,

Thanks for PM.  What's next step to hold one? Payment details for deposits?  I'm a new member to the forum, don't know much rules nor I can PM to you. Thanks


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jrdavies on November 28, 2009, 05:05:38 AM

Imfignewton , I've sent you a PM with the price.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on November 28, 2009, 05:59:58 AM
So, the next thing to know are the specs.  This much we (think we) know:
-  00-03 MT (South American variety - isn't Honduras in Central America?   :wink:)
-  12-fret to the body 
-  1 3/4" nut
-  little or no fancy stuff on the top or edges.  Hey, those bindings rob the guitar of vibrations, right?   :roll

What we're not sure about is the neck - 1 piece or 3 piece or ???
I'm thinking at the price quote that it will be 3 piece.  Fine with me.  Gibson went to 3 piece necks on some guitars years ago to stabilize the instrument.

So I'm going to wait for the specs before getting Jim H the deposit.  But I think all will be well.

This 00 will be very special one.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on November 28, 2009, 06:10:29 AM
Is the Slott head dead????? As I mentioned in a previous post and if it was addressed I missed it and apologize now BUT initially Larrivee needed 4 persons to make this project happen thus if 4 or more want a slott can it happen along with maybe the majority who may not??  :   :arrow


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 28, 2009, 06:15:16 AM
Is the Slott head dead????? As I mentioned in a previous post and if it was addressed I missed it and apologize now BUT initially Larrivee needed 4 persons to make this project happen thus if 4 or more want a slott can it happen along with maybe the majority who may not??  :   :arrow

I understand your rationale on this - but I'm pretty sure Larrivee told Jim Holler only ONE set of specs...I'm sure that is also what helped keep the price so low.

Adding another set of specs/two models would no doubt raise the price on both.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on November 28, 2009, 06:18:09 AM
Personally don't care if it single or multi piece neck, simple or elaborate bling BUT sure would like the SLOT!!!!!  :thumbsup


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frasier1 on November 28, 2009, 06:34:00 AM
Personally don't care if it single or multi piece neck, simple or elaborate bling BUT sure would like the SLOT!!!!!  :thumbsup


I have to agree with you!  I was just playing my Santa Cruz D-12, and that Slothead sure is Purdy!  I love em!
Maybe the one with the Slot could be the Forum V if there were enough orders - with herringbone and a Tortis pickguard!  LOL
Am I causing trouble now or what!   (blame it on the vino)!

 :cheers


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tadol on November 28, 2009, 06:45:42 AM
You will probably get a tortis pickguard with this.  Not likely to get a slothead, but it is a nice thought. Would add a bit of cost to the build. I'd like to know what case would be included -

Tad


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 28, 2009, 06:58:42 AM
You will probably get a tortis pickguard with this.  Not likely to get a slothead, but it is a nice thought. Would add a bit of cost to the build. I'd like to know what case would be included -

Tad

The 03 series case seems logical.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 28, 2009, 01:21:52 PM
               Order closing will be December 15th (unless extended)
 
NEWBIES can't recieve PM's so give an e-mail if you want the price or contact JIM HOLLER
                              
                
DEPOSITS of 25% must be made to be on Jim's order list, which is the important one (not ours)



                                 Jim Holler, Luthier
                                 Trinity Guitars
                                 2089 Camp St.
                                 Jamestown, NY 14701
                                    716-499-3671
                               jimholler@trinityguitars.com      or           www.trinityguitars.com

                            (e-mail me dependan@gmail.com if all you need is a price)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on November 28, 2009, 03:02:50 PM
Now that the price is set and I assume the numbering was done in order of succession with your deposit with Jim and when the Specs are finalized maybe a Forum IV part 2 topic can start ( locking this one) for the new stage as this one is almost 20 pages already!!!!!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on November 28, 2009, 03:47:17 PM
   Randy, since we have the price now we need to do something about an order only thread that can show the Forum name of the person ordering. This is at Jim's request.


              All orders are made with Trinity Guitars with a deposit of at least 25%
Gotcha covered on this, Danny.
-Q.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Johnny M on November 28, 2009, 04:11:05 PM
Hey Danny,

Can you please PM me a price on this little bad boy.

Thanks
John


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jgriffter on November 28, 2009, 04:40:00 PM
Danny

Will you please PM me the price for the Forum guitar as well.  Sounds exciting!  I am more of a lurker here, but waiting on delivery of my L-03 Zebrawood from Jim Holler right now! 

Thanks

John


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on November 28, 2009, 05:07:24 PM
Danny

Will you please PM me the price for the Forum guitar as well.  Sounds exciting!  I am more of a lurker here, but waiting on delivery of my L-03 Zebrawood from Jim Holler right now! 

Thanks

John

You can not receive PM's until you have ten post's.  I e-mailed you the price


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 28, 2009, 05:21:12 PM
                                                   Forum IV Specifications

 

                                                      Wood:Top backs and sides South American Mahogany.

                                                      Old style OO Larrivee body (these are not slot heads)

                                                                                  Herringbone rosette

                                                                                Silver headstock border

                                                                             Mother of Pearl Larrivee log

Please call or email to make arrangements for deposit. Include Name, Address billing and shipping,Phone number and Forum name.  You will officially have a guitar on order once the deposit is complete.

Thank you
Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars
800 West Third St
Jamestown, NY 14701
716-665-4490

www.trinityguitars.com


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tadol on November 28, 2009, 05:27:12 PM
The 03 series case seems logical.

Except they've never made -03 series 00s until this run that is just getting done, so I'm wondering if they've had a bunch of flat top cases made in the 00 size, or if they might use the archtop case that came with all the higher series 00s they've made.

Tad


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on November 28, 2009, 05:30:39 PM
Forum IV Specifications

- Wood:Top backs and sides South American Mahogany.
- Old style OO Larrivee body (these are not slot heads)
- Herringbone rosette
- Silver headstock border
- Mother of Pearl Larrivee logo

(this is from Trinity Guitars)

Thanks Danny.  Two questions:
1 - 12-fret to the body?
2 - one piece neck?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 28, 2009, 05:32:29 PM
Thanks Danny.  Two questions:
1 - 12-fret to the body?
2 - one piece neck?
   12 FRET FOR SURE,  don't know about the neck yet. I'll post as soon as Jim gives me more info.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on November 28, 2009, 06:03:02 PM
Will it have the same binding as the 03 series?

Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 28, 2009, 06:05:25 PM
                                                              Forum IV Specifications

                                                                                         UPDATED

                                                      Wood:Top backs and sides South American Mahogany.

                                                      Old style OO Larrivee body (these are not slot heads)

                                                                                  Herringbone rosette

                                                                                Silver headstock border

                                                                             Mother of Pearl Larrivee logo
                                                                          
                                                                                  12 Frets to the body

                                                                   (possible 3 piece neck and standard flat top case)
                                                                                      we're not sure yet
                                                                            

Please call or email to make arrangements for deposit. Include Name, Address billing and shipping,Phone number and Forum name.  You will officially have a guitar on order once the deposit is complete.

Thank you
Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars
800 West Third St
Jamestown, NY 14701
716-665-4490

www.trinityguitars.com


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 28, 2009, 06:07:47 PM
Will it have the same binding as the 03 series?

Jim
  Same as any 03 series as far as I know. When more details come in I'll post them.
       
                           I post EVERYTHING I know as soon as I can get it done.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on November 28, 2009, 06:21:21 PM
With the Forum III a few people placing orders did not want it publicly known, ie posted on the forum. So the posted Forum list was never 100% accurate.

Hence, Jim Holler will keep the ONLY official list. Jim will email us once a week with the total number of confirmed orders to-date (deposits received). This will be a NUMBER only, not a list of names.

So if you want to state here you've ordered one, thats great. If you don't, thats your business and ok too.

Although it hasn't been stated, I presume that Jim Holler would be willing to perform additional (paid-for) luthery and accessory add-ons like pickups, and so on.


I'll note that a silver border on the headstock is very unusual for a -03 series instrument, and neither the Forum I/II nor Forum II had a headstock border.

For the record, I'm still sitting on the edge concenring ordering one for myself, as I have a nice 00 already and am trying to reduce the size of my collection. But I do prefer a 00 over a parlor for most playing and would like a mahogany 00.



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on November 28, 2009, 06:33:46 PM
Since I have no idea what Larrivee 00 specs are., can you verify whether these are correct?

14.25" lower bout ?
10.25" upper bout ?
8.25" waist ?
4.25" body depth ?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 28, 2009, 07:23:27 PM
Since I have no idea what Larrivee 00 specs are., can you verify whether these are correct?

14.25" lower bout ?
10.25" upper bout ?
8.25" waist ?
4.25" body depth ?
  Sounds mighty close to me. I think Randy posted them in the earlier pages. But that sure does ring a bell.
         


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on November 28, 2009, 07:28:47 PM

For the record, I'm still sitting on the edge concenring ordering one for myself, as I have a nice 00 already and am trying to reduce the size of my collection. But I do prefer a 00 over a parlor for most playing and would like a mahogany 00.



if it makes your decision any easier Randy, I can guarantee a buyer in around 12 months time.  If I thought I could sell anything in time to fund this I wouldn't hesitate. It is killing me that my absolute dream spec larrivee is being ordered during my life's worst spell of financing.

I can say that pretty categorically, that I will be looking for a second hand one the minute I can aford it.
 :crying: (almost literally)
 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on November 28, 2009, 07:29:03 PM
From Randy's site.

OO-body
· Lower Bout: 14"
· Upper Bout: 10"
· Waist: 8.25"
· Depth: 4"
· Scale Length: 25.5", 12fret to body
· Nut Width: 1 & 3/4"" (44.3mm or 1.75")
. Length 19-1/8"

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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 28, 2009, 07:29:35 PM
         Just a FYI, I will make a list from this thread and personal e-mails and PM's to give to Jim. We hope that everyone who wants to can have the opportunity to buy this little guitar. (which will be very rare the day it is made)
        
            I've looked and looked for the 00 size MT in many places and they are scarce no matter who makes them. And I have yet to see a Larrivee 00 MT in person. I guess my own will be the first. I have put my deposit down with Jim.

                                           Please understand that Jim Holler really went to bat for us on this one.

                                                                                     :+1: Thanks Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 28, 2009, 07:36:09 PM
From Randy's site.

OO-body
· Lower Bout: 14"
· Upper Bout: 10"
· Waist: 8.25"
· Depth: 4"
· Scale Length: 25.5", 12fret to body
· Nut Width: 1 & 3/4"" (44.3mm or 1.75")
. Length 19-1/8"
 Roger, thanks for that. I believe with all posted Larrivee specs. from the past, in actuality they have grown just a bit. My 00 was a bit larger as well as other Larrivees I have owned. Even my F-III is slightly larger than specs.
                I went to a dealer and measured some and noticed they tend to be slightly over in the body specs. Which is a good deal in a 00 if you think about it.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 28, 2009, 07:38:49 PM
   OK I'm excited now!!!


               :guitar :guitar :guitar :guitar :guitar :guitar :guitar :guitar :guitar :guitar :guitar :guitar :guitar :guitar

                                  COOL deal 00-03MT just like Denis requested so long ago :winkin:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on November 28, 2009, 07:41:30 PM
Thanks danny, your last 3 posts just completed my perfect day.

:-(


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 28, 2009, 07:44:25 PM
Thanks danny, your last 3 posts just completed my perfect day.

:-(
  Ahhh Ben, I'm sorry man. You know somebody will get one that really doesn't need it though and it will come up for sale.
               Besides you have two very nice Larrivees, I know, cause I've heard you play them both.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on November 28, 2009, 07:44:42 PM
What happened to the sticky order list?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on November 28, 2009, 07:48:43 PM
From Randy's site.

OO-body
· Lower Bout: 14"
· Upper Bout: 10"
· Waist: 8.25"
· Depth: 4"
· Scale Length: 25.5", 12fret to body
· Nut Width: 1 & 3/4"" (44.3mm or 1.75")
. Length 19-1/8"

This 00-50 appears to have different body specs.
http://www.acousticguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=140088


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 28, 2009, 07:51:23 PM
What happened to the sticky order list?
 It was not what we needed. It will be done by Jim Holler. He will let us know how many have been ordered and he will put the Forum numbers beside each order. It just keeps things simpler. There was some confusion last time. And we all can do without that.

                   We are all learning as we go here.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on November 28, 2009, 08:02:53 PM
 It was not what we needed. It will be done by Jim Holler. He will let us know how many have been ordered and he will put the Forum numbers beside each order. It just keeps things simpler. There was some confusion last time. And we all can do without that.

                   We are all learning as we go here.

At least Jim has to deal with one model this time and not 12 different versions like the FIII.  Everybody's getting the same guitar.  No cutaways, no rosewood/IS, mahogany/IS, HB purfling..etc etc etc


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Joby on November 28, 2009, 08:08:48 PM
Can someone please send me the price for the F-IV. I,m interested!
my email is roystkd at hotmail.com
Thanks!

 :donut :donut :donut :coffee :donut2 :donut2 :coffee :donut2


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on November 28, 2009, 08:10:15 PM
  Ahhh Ben, I'm sorry man. You know somebody will get one that really doesn't need it though and it will come up for sale.
               Besides you have two very nice Larrivees, I know, cause I've heard you play them both.

 :+1:, my childlike strop is over, there are more important things in life.  Maybe by the time I learn to play properly, one will come up used.

Thanks Danny.  :cheers


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 28, 2009, 08:14:03 PM
At least Jim has to deal with one model this time and not 12 different versions like the FIII.  Everybody's getting the same guitar.  No cutaways, no rosewood/IS, mahogany/IS, HB purfling..etc etc etc

Well, mine will be different - it will be a lefty!  :humour:

I'M IN...my deposit just went into the (snail) mail to Jim Holler!  :nanadance :nana_guitar

The only thing that will keep me from losing my mind waiting for this is that I also just ordered an RS-4, and that should be here before Christmas...I suspect these will take till mid-February or early March?  How long did the (various) FIII guitars take to build?  :drool:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 28, 2009, 08:16:49 PM
Well, mine will be different - it will be a lefty!  :humour:

I'M IN...my deposit just went into the (snail) mail to Jim Holler!  :nanadance :nana_guitar

The only thing that will keep me from losing my mind waiting for this is that I also just ordered an RS-4, and that should be here before Christmas...I suspect these will take till mid-February or early March?  How long did the (various) FIII guitars take to build?  :drool:
  3 months. But they were not ordered until January and there were 100 plus being built when you add in the 12th fret special order.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 28, 2009, 08:20:32 PM
  3 months. But they were not ordered until January and there were 100 plus being built when you add in the 12th fret special order.

The economy was better then, too, slowing down production. I suspect Larrivee will be glad to see these orders - XX number of guaranteed sales!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 28, 2009, 08:24:54 PM
The economy was better then, too, slowing down production. I suspect Larrivee will be glad to see these orders - XX number of guaranteed sales!
Other factors could slow it down though. But we'll have some fun waiting.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Dotneck on November 28, 2009, 08:54:30 PM
The economy was better then, too, slowing down production.

I think the economy is better now than it was a year ago....

YMMV


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 28, 2009, 08:58:56 PM
BTW, I'm glad to see the herringbone soundhole rosette on these - it will look great against the mahogany.  Will these get a tortoise guard, or will it be in the case (and can we have Jim install if we want)? 

Sorry, just more questions...always more questions!!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 28, 2009, 09:02:54 PM
I think the economy is better now than it was a year ago....

YMMV
  Not for me sir.... And it don't appear to be getting any better. Joblessness is double what it was and my home is losing value every day. I had one service call all week long.
BTW, I'm glad to see the herringbone soundhole rosette on these - it will look great against the mahogany.  Will these get a tortoise guard, or will it be in the case (and can we have Jim install if we want)? 

Sorry, just more questions...always more questions!!!
  Remains to be seen, but if they put one of those ugly ones on mine it's coming off as soon as I get it! I want clear or nothing, it's my guitar and I'll scratch it up all I want to.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: kwakatak on November 28, 2009, 09:34:45 PM
Wait - herringbone rosette? Man, if they'd only had that with the original Forum OM-03MT's. Now I can afford one but don't want a 00. Darn - still not "in" but I'm still wishing you all good fortune with this run.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Southern Cross on November 29, 2009, 02:16:57 AM
I have never played an 00 size guitar, so I am wondering is it best used for fingerstyle?  Do those of you who own one use it for strumming?  I am undecided if I can afford a Forum IV, or if I really need it.  I would appreciate if someone could fill me in.
Clifford


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: gtrplayer on November 29, 2009, 02:44:46 AM
I have never played an 00 size guitar, so I am wondering is it best used for fingerstyle?  Do those of you who own one use it for strumming?  I am undecided if I can afford a Forum IV, or if I really need it.  I would appreciate if someone could fill me in.
Clifford

I own two 00-50 and find they're best for fingerpicking were as strumming can overdrive the tops.  I suspect, though I could be wrong, that with a hog top 00 this would be even more so.   

gtrplayer


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 29, 2009, 04:34:03 AM
 I agree about finger style being best for the 00 size. Though I enjoyed strumming the 00-09FM that I use to have. But it has it's limits like has been stated. They are really great living room guitars or something small enough for an airplane overhead bin etc.
     The size is the same as a GIbson L body. ie LG-1, 2 or 3. And very easy on shoulders that have trouble with dreadnoughts.
                 Plus they just look cool.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on November 29, 2009, 04:56:17 AM
                  Plus they just look cool.

Yeah...bet the 00-03MT will look pretty cool!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tuffythepug on November 29, 2009, 07:17:14 AM
Funny how things turn out sometimes.   :smile:    When talk of the Forum III began to heat up last year I was convinced that a 00-03 was the only guitar that would entice me.   When it turned out that the LS-03 would be the one the forum picked I jumped on the bandwagon anyway.  By then I was pretty well sucked into the frenzy.  :laughin: 

If I hadn't ordered the F III I would certainly be one of the first to sign up for this Forum IV.  They will be real special little guitars.   But I've become so attached to that F III that I couldn't imagine letting it go.   And really, it makes not sense to have 3 small body hogtops and I ain't gettin' rid of the 000-50MT either.

But I sure as heck envy those of you who are getting in on this project.   Having been through the forum guitar thing last year I can say that it was one of the highlights of my year;  an unforgettable year where I made a lot of new friends, traveled to a lovely city and picked up a very special guitar.   I'll be watching this play out from the sidelines but I am eager like the rest of you to see how the whole story unfolds.  The only thing missing this time around is Ricky's constant updates and energy but that's being supplied quite efficiently by Danny.

And since Mikeymac and others may be getting lefties there's always a chance that I might find one for sale at a time when I could justify buying it.

I wonder what form a Forum V might take at some point. The trend has been smaller and smaller.  next step would be parlor I guess.



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 29, 2009, 07:37:29 AM
     Lynn, I'm not sure if you remember but my first choice was a 00. But Tad suggested LS and we went that way. Which certainly was right last year. And now this whole deal of trying to order four 00's turning into the 00 Forum Four is just perfect timing for me.
   I enjoy my F-III very much. I began a new tune on it today (my own) my wife came by where I was playing and said ''That sure sounds nice" I thought so too, but it was good to hear a little confirmation. I think it's way past time for me to find a Zoom recorder and share some of my finger style with y'all. No training, just me and my guitar and a few words now and then.
                 And no excuses.


(oh and there is a F-V in the works... but it's not smaller. don't tell anybody though) :whistling:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: kaos on November 29, 2009, 12:01:12 PM
I too will have to sit on the sidelines this time around.  I have the greatest guitar in my forum III hogtop and can attest to its magic.  I also have a 00-09 from 1994 that is quite the cannon.  I love them both.  The people who get in on this deal are getting something really sweet and will not be disappointed.  Do not hesitate if you are on the fence.

mary


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: eded on November 29, 2009, 12:58:21 PM
(oh and there is a F-V in the works... but it's not smaller. don't tell anybody though) :whistling:

So F VI might be a uke?   :humour:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 29, 2009, 02:46:54 PM
Yes Danny, it's definitely time to invest in a Zoom recorder so you can put some tunes up on this board. Folks, having witnessed his playing/singing to his wife in Vancouver, this guy is quite talented.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pehabe on November 29, 2009, 04:20:17 PM
Hi Danny,
I am interested in this F-IV 00-03MT.
Thanks for the price email.
I am waiting email from Jim now for delivery cost to Black Forest Germany.

Just one question: Will this F-IV have 4 dots at 12 frets like other forum guitar tradition?

regards,
Peter


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on November 29, 2009, 04:21:25 PM
So F VI might be a uke?   :humour:

Maybe archtop, or semi hollow I know I'd luv to be a Guinee Pig  :wave


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 29, 2009, 04:28:21 PM
Hi Danny,
I am interested in this F-IV 00-03MT.
Thanks for the price email.
I am waiting email from Jim now for delivery cost to Black Forest Germany.

Just one question: Will this F-IV have 4 dots at 12 frets like other forum guitar tradition?

regards,
Peter
 The specifications are given "to" us from Larrivee. We only got to give one "to" them.
                    Which is all mahogany 00-03MT. They are not allowing any other options.

                                So the neck will have the standard micro-dots.

                                 (We will get a Forum IV label inside the guitar)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on November 29, 2009, 04:55:34 PM
Speaking of labels can I suggest that everyone agrees that Danny should get #1 to go with his forum III. I think it is more than deserved given the efforts he has made.



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on November 29, 2009, 04:59:27 PM
Speaking of labels can I suggest that everyone agrees that Danny should get #1 to go with his forum III. I think it is more than deserved given the efforts he has made.



Agreed


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on November 29, 2009, 05:02:27 PM
Agreed

Thought #1 to Danny was an already done deal. Congrats and thanks again Danny


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 29, 2009, 05:04:50 PM
Speaking of labels can I suggest that everyone agrees that Danny should get #1 to go with his forum III. I think it is more than deserved given the efforts he has made.


 Thanks Ben, but I chose #2. Now I will have a Forum #1 & #2.   I asked Q to take #1 this time. And he was happy to accept. It's already done.
                          I appreciate the thoughts expressed here though, Thanks to everyone who has posted a little encouraging word towards me. I needed it  :blush:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on November 29, 2009, 05:08:46 PM
Cool, I was aware that ordering chaos made it a bit of a free for all last time for numbers. I might've got number 4 if it wasn't for getting repeatedly cut off from Jim on the phone. my phone bill wasn't pretty after so many attempts to connect overseas, lol!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 29, 2009, 05:17:17 PM
Cool, I was aware that ordering chaos made it a bit of a free for all last time for numbers. I might've got number 4 if it wasn't for getting repeatedly cut off from Jim on the phone. my phone bill wasn't pretty after so many attempts to connect overseas, lol!
                 Just some trivia for you, 5 is the number for ''responsibility''. I thought about asking for that one. If I would have got it though, I wouldn't have made this post.
                 I thought TtP getting #3, you got 5, Tad got 17 etc. was all pretty cool in the F-III order. And one more trivia bit "ricky" gave me #1 on the F-III and he took the last number 78.
                 (Jeff had 77 but he is a traitor and sold his :tongue:)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on November 29, 2009, 06:02:39 PM
My thanks to Danny who, as has been acknowledged by many, by all rights deserved numero uno, selflessly offered it up to me.
A measure of the man he is.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Troutgit on November 29, 2009, 06:04:39 PM
Could someone please IM me the price. I don't know if I can swing it but I am very interested. Thanks!

Tim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Trinity Guitars on November 29, 2009, 07:39:15 PM
Oh my 23 pages. I have some reading to do. Was working hard with Larrivee on this one so I was not on the forum for a few days. We have enough orders so this one is real. I will be back manning the phone and answering emails tomorrow for anyone who has questions.
Jim Holler


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Trinity Guitars on November 29, 2009, 07:41:35 PM
Cool, I was aware that ordering chaos made it a bit of a free for all last time for numbers. I might've got number 4 if it wasn't for getting repeatedly cut off from Jim on the phone. my phone bill wasn't pretty after so many attempts to connect overseas, lol!
  Ben  Was this last week? I jhave had massive issues with the phone company but I was thinking it was all fixed. Sorry


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Trinity Guitars on November 29, 2009, 07:47:12 PM
With the Forum III a few people placing orders did not want it publicly known, ie posted on the forum. So the posted Forum list was never 100% accurate.

Hence, Jim Holler will keep the ONLY official list. Jim will email us once a week with the total number of confirmed orders to-date (deposits received). This will be a NUMBER only, not a list of names.

So if you want to state here you've ordered one, thats great. If you don't, thats your business and ok too.

Although it hasn't been stated, I presume that Jim Holler would be willing to perform additional (paid-for) luthery and accessory add-ons like pickups, and so on.


I'll note that a silver border on the headstock is very unusual for a -03 series instrument, and neither the Forum I/II nor Forum II had a headstock border.

For the record, I'm still sitting on the edge concenring ordering one for myself, as I have a nice 00 already and am trying to reduce the size of my collection. But I do prefer a 00 over a parlor for most playing and would like a mahogany 00.


  Thanks Randy This will help out allot. I almost went out of my mind compairing lists last time. Yes if you have specific changes I can help you with let me know.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 29, 2009, 08:02:29 PM

              
Cool, I was aware that ordering chaos made it a bit of a free for all last time for numbers. I might've got number 4 if it wasn't for getting repeatedly cut off from Jim on the phone. my phone bill wasn't pretty after so many attempts to connect overseas, lol!

  Ben  Was this last week? I jhave had massive issues with the phone company but I was thinking it was all fixed. Sorry

               Jim that post of Ben's is regarding the F-III not this order. We were just talking about numbering in general.  Ben is not ordering the F-IV (at this point in time anyway).


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 29, 2009, 08:14:51 PM
              Order closing will be December 15th (unless extended)
 
NEWBIES can't recieve PM's so give an e-mail if you want the price or contact JIM HOLLER
                              
                
DEPOSITS of 25% must be made to be on Jim's order list, which is the important one (not ours)



                                 Jim Holler, Luthier
                                 Trinity Guitars
                                 2089 Camp St.
                                 Jamestown, NY 14701
                                    716-665-4490                                                                                                                         
   jimholler@trinityguitars.com      or           www.trinityguitars.com

             (e-mail me dependan@gmail.com if all you need is a price)
   
              I thought it would be good to put up Jim Holler's contact information again. Also remember it is important to make a DEPOSIT with Trinity Guitars or else you are not on any "order list". I have some names of interested members and will compile a list and send it to Trinity Guitars to aid them in this process. But YOU must contact Trinity to place the order.
              As Jim posted above we have enough already for this to go through. So it is real and now we just see how many will get ordered. :thumbsup


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jshowyin on November 29, 2009, 09:16:05 PM
Sitting here fighting hard against the urge to jump on board.

Have read through most of the posts in the thread. Had a thought.

Not sure what type of tuners Larrivee has factored into the price quoted, but I thought it might be a good idea to see whether they could use the standard sized Pings (with the 'angled' screwhole) in the FIV (cf the Ping mini's used in the FIII). That way the Gotoh 510s that many are fond of (in both 18:1 and 21:1 ratios), with their multitude of various colours, button styles and types, will be an optional upgrade for personalising what is shaping up to be a very nice looking/sounding guit.

Just something to mull over.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on November 29, 2009, 09:22:20 PM
  Ben  Was this last week? I jhave had massive issues with the phone company but I was thinking it was all fixed. Sorry

Sorry to confuse Jim, I was taling about last time.  Unfortunately not on board with the F-IV run.  And no need to apologise, the fault was with my phone line the last time, not yours.  I was merely commenting on the numbering arrangement last time.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 29, 2009, 09:39:03 PM
Sitting here fighting hard against the urge to jump on board.

Have read through most of the posts in the thread. Had a thought.

Not sure what type of tuners Larrivee has factored into the price quoted, but I thought it might be a good idea to see whether they could use the standard sized Pings (with the 'angled' screwhole) in the FIV (cf the Ping mini's used in the FIII). That way the Gotoh 510s that many are fond of (in both 18:1 and 21:1 ratios), with their multitude of various colours, button styles and types, will be an optional upgrade for personalising what is shaping up to be a very nice looking/sounding guit.

Just something to mull over.
   Until something changes, "One Guitar-No Options". And nothing may change.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tadol on November 29, 2009, 09:47:37 PM
So your saying -  unless something changes, nothings gonna change -

Danny - I love the way you can get right to the heart of the matter - Works for me!   :thumb

Tad


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on November 29, 2009, 11:14:28 PM
   Until something changes, "One Guitar-No Options". And nothing may change.

As many times as you say that there will still be someone asking about something.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Jagadis on November 29, 2009, 11:15:41 PM
Hey folks...

I'm think I'm going to sit this one out as well.  My Forum III is the all mahogany version and its just such an amazing guitar, that I can't see the need to buy another small bodied, all mahogany guitar.  I think I would have been quite tempted if the Forum IV was a slot head.  The OO and slot head combo would have been enough of a difference to really tempt me.  For now, I will sit back and enjoy the show from the peanut gallery.  

Enjoy.

Jordan.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jbrummer on November 29, 2009, 11:37:21 PM
oh man . . . someone please PM a price quote for this little beauty before I come to my senses.  You folks are incorrigible!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jshowyin on November 29, 2009, 11:46:44 PM
  Until something changes, "One Guitar-No Options". And nothing may change.

OK, OK, OK. I get it now.

As a couple of people got caught out pre-buying the wrong types of tuners on the FIII I thought I would chime in. Probably should have written my post differently and just asked what type of tuners were on the 'one guitar, no options' guitar. Sorry, no more dumb questions from me.  :smile:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 30, 2009, 12:11:45 AM
OK, OK, OK. I get it now.

As a couple of people got caught out pre-buying the wrong types of tuners on the FIII I thought I would chime in. Probably should have written my post differently and just asked what type of tuners were on the 'one guitar, no options' guitar. Sorry, no more dumb questions from me.  :smile:
  There is no need to apologize. I make my answers very short and to the point sometimes due to volume of responses.
              Only Jim Holler can actually negotiate changes to this guitar. I have asked him about the slot head option and I know a few dozen others have e-mailed him or talked to him about options.
              It just get's crazy in the end. I don't know how we actually made it through the Forum III ordering process. So many opinions and actual options were offered to us that it was a whirlwind of activity both here on the forum and at Trinity Guitars.
              This whole deal started as a simple 00-03MT.
    And I think we are getting a special guitar at a great price.
           We can change tuners or PG's etc. on our own.

    (Actually Jim can do modifications at Trinity if you want)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 30, 2009, 12:17:55 AM
OK, OK, OK. I get it now.

As a couple of people got caught out pre-buying the wrong types of tuners on the FIII I thought I would chime in. Probably should have written my post differently and just asked what type of tuners were on the 'one guitar, no options' guitar. Sorry, no more dumb questions from me.  :smile:
  I didn't even answer your question :blush:
                            We don't know which tuners actually. Complete specs. have not come in yet.
                             (If I had to guess, Ping mini's)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on November 30, 2009, 12:40:25 AM
oh man . . . someone please PM a price quote for this little beauty before I come to my senses.  You folks are incorrigible!

PM sent


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: bobsnob on November 30, 2009, 12:47:47 AM
   Only Jim Holler can actually negotiate changes to this guitar. I have asked him about the slot head option and I know a few dozen others have e-mailed him or talked to him about options.
              It just get's crazy in the end. I don't know how we actually made it through the Forum III ordering process. So many opinions and actual options were offered to us that it was a whirlwind of activity both here on the forum and at Trinity Guitars.
              This whole deal started as a simple 00-03MT.
    And I think we are getting a special guitar at a great price.
           We can change tuners or PG's etc. on our own.
I agree, it's a special guitar at a great price.  I especially like the herringbone soundhole rosette.

The only option that might appeal to me would be a pyramid bridge.  However, the "one guitar, no options" is just fine with me.

Thanks to Danny and Jim for making this happen.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 30, 2009, 01:12:37 AM
I agree, it's a special guitar at a great price.  I especially like the herringbone soundhole rosette.

The only option that might appeal to me would be a pyramid bridge.  However, the "one guitar, no options" is just fine with me.

Thanks to Danny and Jim for making this happen.

I, too, was hoping to be surprised by a pyramid bridge on these, but I'll be happy with the specs we know now (and whatever surprises come along!).

And a BIG +1 to thanking Danny for arranging this and helping me spend my money - hey, I can't think of anything else I'd rather spend it on!!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on November 30, 2009, 01:37:18 AM
Yep. a BIG donut for Danny on this one.....


(http://randyrick.us/guitars/nuts/RandysDonutStand.gif)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 30, 2009, 02:59:34 AM
Yep. a BIG donut for Danny on this one.....


(http://randyrick.us/guitars/nuts/RandysDonutStand.gif)
   :roll   Thanks everybody,  But I think I'll need the whole forum to help eat this donut. :ohmy:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: kwakatak on November 30, 2009, 03:03:14 AM
(oh and there is a F-V in the works... but it's not smaller. don't tell anybody though) :whistling:

Ooooh! "not smaller" you say? I'm intrigued. Is it a secret? If so, could ya PM me so I can start saving up?  :whistling:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 30, 2009, 03:06:55 AM
Ooooh! "not smaller" you say? I'm intrigued. Is it a secret? If so, could ya PM me so I can start saving up?  :whistling:
  Well that one is not mine to reveal, but it is a very sweet and special Larrivee, if it makes it through the planning stages. (also a lot of $)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 30, 2009, 03:14:30 AM
I, too, was hoping to be surprised by a pyramid bridge on these, but I'll be happy with the specs we know now (and whatever surprises come along!).

            The 00-05 series did not have a pyramid bridge or the 00-09.
                       So a 00-03 would be very unlikely to have one.
This was my 00-09FM, no pyramid bridge, behind it is a F-III for size reference.
(http://inlinethumb44.webshots.com/491/2630643220104334565S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2630643220104334565ZJwiKc)

 

Here is a picture of a 00-05 that Tad used to own. It is glossed and has an abalone rosette.

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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 30, 2009, 03:29:54 AM
     But this is the ultimate of the 00 ''paddleheads" that I have seen, it is Randy's 00-10BZ.
                            http://randyrick.us/guitars/LarriveeOO10bz.htm


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on November 30, 2009, 03:42:47 AM
     But this is the ultimate of the 00 ''paddleheads" that I have seen, it is Randy's 00-10BZ.
                            http://randyrick.us/guitars/LarriveeOO10bz.htm




Yeah but Randy's isn't all hog like ours   :humour:   :roll


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: kwakatak on November 30, 2009, 03:55:11 AM
  Well that one is not mine to reveal, but it is a very sweet and special Larrivee, if it makes it through the planning stages. (also a lot of $)

Tease!  :tongue:

So I take it that this next one will not be decided by consensus then? Looks like I may never get a forum guitar at this rate then. Nothing has jumped out at me, though there's that used F1 on the FS section. Somebody else needs to jump on that though.  :whistling:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: eded on November 30, 2009, 04:32:25 AM
Tease!  :tongue:

So I take it that this next one will not be decided by consensus then? Looks like I may never get a forum guitar at this rate then. Nothing has jumped out at me, though there's that used F1 on the FS section. Somebody else needs to jump on that though.  :whistling:

Man, that F-I 12 fret OM in mahogany/spruce is a real temptation.  It would go right along with my orig. issue parlor, and the 12 fret mahogany/spruce 00-03 that should be done any time now.  So many guitars, so little money.  Now if I could just get someone to ship me some skills to go along with the guitars I have...  :doh

Ed


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tadol on November 30, 2009, 04:41:35 AM
Relax about any kind of Forum 5 - its gonna be a long while to get things together, and it will probably not even be a Forum specific guitar, since the concensus part of the process is the trickiest, and gets alot harder on more expensive builds. Once some basic design concepts are approved as "possible", then I will let people know what I am trying to do. There will be plenty of time for input then -  IF they say they are willing to try it -

But, it won't be designed to be as cheap as possible, and it will probably be of limited appeal - but I hope it will be extremely appealing for those few -

I'm assuming I won't know much about it until after the first of the year - and that may be wishful thinking at its best.

In the meantime, it seems that coordinating an order for 4 or so guitars may be all it takes to get something special built - They've done, OMs, and LSs, and now 00s, all in -03 series, and all emphasizing mahogany, and all 12 fret.  

What would your Forum 5 be ??????   :drool:

Tad



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on November 30, 2009, 04:49:45 AM
Tad

You are not helping me gain control of my GAS!!!!!!!!!!!! Lookin at a fair bit of bling for Forum V with some bells and whisles OMG just ordered the Forum IV and now ya got me thinkin about what I'd want on V. This Forum and these guitars are as bad as any drug   :cheers


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: kwakatak on November 30, 2009, 06:26:08 AM
Aw heck, I can't begin to think of what I'd want in the next forum guitar - mainly because it'd cheapen the Forum IV for some and start an unhealthy debate. Let's let this one play out and let those who are in enjoy. I promise I won't be jealous!

Sorry for the hijack. Any further observations I have about "special" models should probably go in another thread.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tuffythepug on November 30, 2009, 08:09:14 AM
Relax about any kind of Forum 5 - its gonna be a long while to get things together, and it will probably not even be a Forum specific guitar, since the concensus part of the process is the trickiest, and gets alot harder on more expensive builds. Once some basic design concepts are approved as "possible", then I will let people know what I am trying to do. There will be plenty of time for input then -  IF they say they are willing to try it -

But, it won't be designed to be as cheap as possible, and it will probably be of limited appeal - but I hope it will be extremely appealing for those few -

I'm assuming I won't know much about it until after the first of the year - and that may be wishful thinking at its best.

In the meantime, it seems that coordinating an order for 4 or so guitars may be all it takes to get something special built - They've done, OMs, and LSs, and now 00s, all in -03 series, and all emphasizing mahogany, and all 12 fret.  

What would your Forum 5 be ??????   :drool:

Tad



Tad
Should we assume, for the sake of argument, that a future Forum V will be some existing (or past) model with some specific design or trim details that are not normally found on current models. ?  I'm sure they won't come up with a new shape or a departure from their tried and true bracing system.   Having said that, I'd like to see a Forum V that took the form of something like the Santa Cruz H13.    A deep bodied 13 fret design with traditional styling including a slotted headstock, pyramid bridge, herringbone trim and a nice sunburst would be nice too. 
We're just dreaming here anyway aren't we ?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 30, 2009, 01:24:45 PM
Tad
Should we assume, for the sake of argument, that a future Forum V will be some existing (or past) model with some specific design or trim details that are not normally found on current models. ?  I'm sure they won't come up with a new shape or a departure from their tried and true bracing system.   Having said that, I'd like to see a Forum V that took the form of something like the Santa Cruz H13.    A deep bodied 13 fret design with traditional styling including a slotted headstock, pyramid bridge, herringbone trim and a nice sunburst would be nice too.  
We're just dreaming here anyway aren't we ?
                      That would be my dream as well, but that's not Tad's.

Aw heck, I can't begin to think of what I'd want in the next forum guitar - mainly because it'd cheapen the Forum IV for some and start an unhealthy debate. Let's let this one play out and let those who are in enjoy. I promise I won't be jealous!

Sorry for the hijack. Any further observations I have about "special" models should probably go in another thread.
        I don't think a discussion about a Forum V has to be unhealthy debate. And I do appreciate your regard and concern for others and this thread. That is a "healthy" way to begin a consensus.
         We had a lot of discussion on a possible F-IV through 2009. I think I may have started one thread and one or two others were started. Many ideas were posted, but a small bodied F-IV was the main emphasis, though more like what TtP was wanting. ie H-13 style.
          Still in the end of 2009 we did wind up with a small bodied F-IV. Not as nice as an H-13 styled 00-72 ? would be.  But a country cousin that should sing like a bird and not break the bank. So let the discussion continue.
          If it get's thick enough, then another thread could be started.
If we ever did an H-13 style F-V or VI etc. I would be tempted to sell some gear and a few guitars to get in on that deal. :donut


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on November 30, 2009, 03:58:57 PM
Rumour in Nova Scotia is that the Forum V will be special order Archtop or Semi-hollow  :humour: :bowdown: :guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on November 30, 2009, 04:00:47 PM
Rumour in Nova Scotia is that the Forum V will be special order Archtop or Semi-hollow  :humour: :bowdown: :guitar

How does a rumor (rumour) get started way the heck up there?!?! It takes several people to start a rumor...  :roll


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on November 30, 2009, 09:42:50 PM
Its true I heard it in the shower!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on November 30, 2009, 10:41:28 PM
Well I just couldn't resist any longer so I put down my deposit for a LEFTY forum IV. I believe I'm the first lefty on the list.  :nana_guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Fingers on November 30, 2009, 11:20:53 PM
Hi Danny,

Could you pm me the price.  Thanks


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tuffythepug on November 30, 2009, 11:35:43 PM
Well I just couldn't resist any longer so I put down my deposit for a LEFTY forum IV. I believe I'm the first lefty on the list.  :nana_guitar

congratulations, but I think Mikeymac has already committed and he would be the first lefty to jump on board.   


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on November 30, 2009, 11:37:09 PM
Hi Danny,

Could you pm me the price.  Thanks

PM sent.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 30, 2009, 11:39:37 PM
PM sent.
  Thanks Roger, are you getting one for yourself? I know you would like one, but don't let me persuade you bud.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on November 30, 2009, 11:52:54 PM
  Thanks Roger, are you getting one for yourself? I know you would like one, but don't let me persuade you bud.

The price is right, but I am quite comfortable playing my OM-MT so it seems a little redundant for me.  Now if I had plenty of funds available and a little more room to store guitars I would jump on this deal. I'm saving my money so my wife and I can do some road traveling this winter. I plan to "follow the sun".


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on November 30, 2009, 11:55:00 PM
The price is right, but I am quite comfortable playing my OM-MT so it seems a little redundant for me.  Now if I had plenty of funds available and a little more room to store guitars I would jump on this deal. I'm saving my money so my wife and I can do some road traveling this winter. I plan to "follow the sun".
  That sounds much more noble. All the best to you and your wife.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on December 01, 2009, 12:58:45 AM
congratulations, but I think Mikeymac has already committed and he would be the first lefty to jump on board.   

Jim told me no other lefty had given him a deposit yet, no big deal whether I'm first or not. :smile:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tuffythepug on December 01, 2009, 03:15:04 AM
Jim told me no other lefty had given him a deposit yet, no big deal whether I'm first or not. :smile:

Frank, I'm glad you are getting in on this Forum IV guitar regardless of who was the first  :bgrin:   I said in the beginning I hoped there would be at least a couple of lefties built.    You never know,  one might come up for sale in the future when I have the need and the $$$.   Now you can sit back and enjoy the page-after-page of discussion about it while waiting for it to be built.   If you get a chance to tour the Vancouver factory when they're done take the opportunity to do so.  Enjoy the F IV experience.       



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 01, 2009, 03:19:34 AM
Frank, I'm glad you are getting in on this Forum IV guitar regardless of who was the first  :bgrin:   I said in the beginning I hoped there would be at least a couple of lefties built.    You never know,  one might come up for sale in the future when I have the need and the $$$.   Now you can sit back and enjoy the page-after-page of discussion about it while waiting for it to be built.   If you get a chance to tour the Vancouver factory when they're done take the opportunity to do so.  Enjoy the F IV experience.       


  Yup, except the answers are so vague from Larrivee at this time, I'm not 100% sure they are being made in Vancouver. Actually I hope they are, and I really mean it. I like the guitars that come out of Canada myself. Don't know why, cept, they just sound real good to me.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tuffythepug on December 01, 2009, 03:22:37 AM
  Yup, except the answers are so vague from Larrivee at this time, I'm not 100% sure they are being made in Vancouver. Actually I hope they are, and I really mean it. I like the guitars that come out of Canada myself. Don't know why, cept, they just sound real good to me.

I guess I just assumed that it would be made in Vancouver like the rest of the 03 models.  Never occured to me that they might end up being made in Oxnard.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 01, 2009, 03:39:06 AM
Jim told me no other lefty had given him a deposit yet, no big deal whether I'm first or not. :smile:

If you did yours by phone, then he got yours first; I mailed mine on Saturday, so he'll probably get it Wednesday or Thursday...so I'll be the 2nd (or 3rd?) lefty in line. No matter...it will be interesting to see where we all end  up in this process.  It is nice to know that there will be at least one other lefty in the Forum IV club!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 01, 2009, 03:41:10 AM
  LONG LIVE LEFTY"S!!!     



(I think I better go to bed.)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 01, 2009, 03:49:12 AM
  LONG LIVE LEFTY"S!!!     


 :thumb

(Left thumb up!)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on December 01, 2009, 04:09:44 AM
If you did yours by phone, then he got yours first; I mailed mine on Saturday, so he'll probably get it Wednesday or Thursday...so I'll be the 2nd (or 3rd?) lefty in line. No matter...it will be interesting to see where we all end  up in this process.  It is nice to know that there will be at least one other lefty in the Forum IV club!

Yes, I called Jim this afternoon but I paid using Paypal. I thought you were in already so that explains why Jim said I was first lefty to pay the deposit, given snail mail delivery.  :thumb


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on December 01, 2009, 04:11:05 AM
Frank, I'm glad you are getting in on this Forum IV guitar regardless of who was the first  :bgrin:   I said in the beginning I hoped there would be at least a couple of lefties built.    You never know,  one might come up for sale in the future when I have the need and the $$$.   Now you can sit back and enjoy the page-after-page of discussion about it while waiting for it to be built.   If you get a chance to tour the Vancouver factory when they're done take the opportunity to do so.  Enjoy the F IV experience.       



I'm glad too.  :nanadance
I'd have a better chance going to Oxnard since I'm about 350 miles north of there in California.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tuffythepug on December 01, 2009, 05:24:07 AM
I'm glad too.  :nanadance
I'd have a better chance going to Oxnard since I'm about 350 miles north of there in California.

Frank
That might put you in my neighborhood.   What cities are you near ?  PM me if you don't want to divulge here.

hmmmm   maybe I'll get a chance to play one of these after all.    :whistling:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: LookingForLarri on December 01, 2009, 07:52:54 PM
Price PM please.... :wink:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on December 01, 2009, 07:54:23 PM
Price PM please.... :wink:
PM sent


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 01, 2009, 09:16:45 PM
     These are specifications given for the 00-03. With a minor adjustment for the MT. (from Guitar Adoptions site)

   * Satin finish
    * Solid Mahogany back and sides (South American)
    * All solid wood construction
    * 1 piece South American Mahogany Dovetail Neck
    *  South American Mahogany Soundboard
    * African Ebony Fretboard & Bridge
    * Flamed Canadian Maple Body Binding
    * Symmetrical X-Bracing
    * Dovetail Neck Joint
    * Rounded Headstock with Rosewood overlay and sterling silver border
    * Ping "Mini" Tuners (18:1 Ratio) with Chrome buttons
    * Exclusive Beveled Tortis pickguard
    * Herringbone Rosette
    * Ivoroid Fretboard Binding
    * Silver Microdot Fretboard Inlays
    * D'addario Medium Gauge Strings
    * Tusq nut and saddle
    * Larrivee Limited Lifetime Warranty


Larrivee 00-03 Specifications:

Lower Bout: 14.25”
Upper Bout: 10.25”
Waist: 8.25”
Depth: 4.25”
Scale Length: 25.5”
Nut Width: 1 & 3/4””
Fretboard Radius: Compound (16” to 21”)
Setup for Medium Gauge Strings
Frets: Nickel/Silver
Frets: Width: 2.5mm (0.0985”)
Frets: Height: 1.0mm (0.0394”)
Larrivee's finish is UV cured polyester

                 So these specs. should be very close to ours. Unless we hear otherwise.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 01, 2009, 09:46:09 PM
Danny

I am sure some of the specs are negotiable at no cost to anyone - BUT we have to ask. To wait for Larrivee to just throw the specs at us and accept it then is that really a Forum guitar? For example a clear pickguard instead of  Tortis pickguard and the option of having it stuck on or NOT. The majority should rule I can't imagine it making any difference to Larrivee, would it?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 01, 2009, 09:55:18 PM
Danny

I am sure some of the specs are negotiable at no cost to anyone - BUT we have to ask. To wait for Larrivee to just throw the specs at us and accept it then is that really a Forum guitar? For example a clear pickguard instead of  Tortis pickguard and the option of having it stuck on or NOT. The majority should rule I can't imagine it making any difference to Larrivee, would it?
 Be assured that Jim Holler is well aware of this issue as well as others. I don't want a tortoise PG myself but we have to wait on Jim to receive word from Larrivee on the specs. for us and then we can post what it actually will be.
              (Just because we vote and say we want something, won't make it so.)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on December 02, 2009, 12:50:04 AM
I'm hoping there is NO pickguard.  Or, one is in the case should we opt to not have it installed.  My guitar thrashing days are behind me (if they ever really were!   :roll)

Set up for medium strings?  Hmm, that'll move that mahogany top!

You know, I really want to get the final specs from Larrivee before I plunk down a deposit.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: AZLiberty on December 02, 2009, 12:55:16 AM
 Be assured that Jim Holler is well aware of this issue as well as others. I don't want a tortoise PG myself but we have to wait on Jim to receive word from Larrivee on the specs. for us and then we can post what it actually will be.
              (Just because we vote and say we want something, won't make it so.)

True but for some of us the tortoise PG is a big deal.   Big enough to keep me from ordering one.  

Anyway, someone PM me the price please.  I'm probably going to pass on this one and wait for the F-V, as I've never played a hog top I liked (all Martins) and never even seen a Larry hog top in the flesh, so I'd be buying blind, even though i really like small guitars.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 02, 2009, 01:00:13 AM
True but for some of us the tortoise PG is a big deal.   Big enough to keep me from ordering one. 

Anyway, someone PM me the price please.  I'm probably going to pass on this one and wait for the F-V, as I've never played a hog top I liked (all Martins) and never even seen a Larry hog top in the flesh, so I'd be buying blind, even though i really like small guitars.
  Which way do you want it. With or without the Pick guard?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 02, 2009, 01:34:01 AM
I'm hoping there is NO pickguard.  Or, one is in the case should we opt to not have it installed.  My guitar thrashing days are behind me (if they ever really were!   :roll)

Set up for medium strings?  Hmm, that'll move that mahogany top!

You know, I really want to get the final specs from Larrivee before I plunk down a deposit.
did you see this:

http://www.guitaradoptions.com/larrivee-00-03-mahogany-acoustic-guitar.html

I'm pretty sure these are the final specs...with a mahogany top obviously...

If they install a pickguard, I'll just take it off. 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on December 02, 2009, 01:48:49 AM
 Which way do you want it. With or without the Pick guard?
No Danny. All he wants is the pickguard. He doesnt like hogtop guitars.
He can have my pickguard for free, because I don't want it.
 :humour:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on December 02, 2009, 02:21:12 AM
did you see this:
http://www.guitaradoptions.com/larrivee-00-03-mahogany-acoustic-guitar.html
I'm pretty sure these are the final specs...with a mahogany top obviously...
If they install a pickguard, I'll just take it off. 
Yeah, I did see the specs above and on the GA site before posting above. 

Still, this being OUR custom order, I'm sure we can specify NO pickguard beforehand.  Or Jim can install (or de-install) perhaps.

You might be pretty sure about the specs, but we really need to see them in print here.  Or Jim or Larrivee telling us that, indeed, the GA specs are the same as ours, with MT. 

Again, thanks Danny for your work on this run of guitars.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 02, 2009, 02:31:52 AM
On one of the previous Forum guitars (III?), weren't both pickguards simply included in the case, and you could put them on (or have Jim do it) if you wanted one?

I'm leaning more toward no pickguard as well, since I don't pound the tops of my guitars when I strum.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tuffythepug on December 02, 2009, 03:13:08 AM
On one of the previous Forum guitars (III?), weren't both pickguards simply included in the case, and you could put them on (or have Jim do it) if you wanted one?

I'm leaning more toward no pickguard as well, since I don't pound the tops of my guitars when I strum.


the forum III came with tortis and clear pickguards in the case.  Well, no clear one for me. When they were casing it I told them I didn't need it so didn't include it.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: dermot on December 02, 2009, 03:44:10 AM
so it would look something like this?

(http://www.voguehost.com/ims/u/dermot/parlor/f4.jpg)

a bit of laptop p'shp from the 00-03 Dave's site... i can do better tomorow when i'm at work ;-)

d.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Dotneck on December 02, 2009, 04:16:53 AM
a bit of laptop p'shp from the 00-03 Dave's site... i can do better tomorow when i'm at work ;-)

Uh oh.....somebody is gonna be mad seeing that pickguard on there.....


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: dermot on December 02, 2009, 04:25:41 AM
Uh oh.....somebody is gonna be mad seeing that pickguard on there.....

it comes off in seconds in real life... takes a bit longer in photoshop on a laptop... tomorrow i'll remove the pg.....



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on December 02, 2009, 04:42:10 AM
Do you ever wonder if Dave at GA minds we use his photos for referencing what Jim at Trinity is going to broker for us?  Inquiring minds want to know.   :whistling:

Nice touch on the Photoshop, dermot!  Without the pickguard it will be about perfect.



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: AZLiberty on December 02, 2009, 04:42:39 AM
 Which way do you want it. With or without the Pick guard?

IHMO the new Martin Style pickguard is ugly as sin, and the smaller the guitar body the worse it looks.  Both my OM-03R and D-03R-12 have the old clear pickguard.  My preference would be no PG, followed by clear PG.

And yeah, I know the opaque ones can be heated and pulled off if you are careful about it, and on a new guitar it probably won't have seen enough light to cause a discoloration once removed.

Queequeg, I didn't say I don't like hot top guitars.  I said the only ones I have ever played were the Martin 15 series, and I don't like those.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 02, 2009, 05:09:49 AM
They will not come with the pickguard installed if Jim asks them to just put it in the case.  If by some unlikely chance it was delivered to Jim with it installed, he can remove it in a couple minutes and there will be no sign that it was ever there.  There's no reason to not buy the guitar or buy the guitar because of a pickguard.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: sniggs on December 02, 2009, 07:02:48 AM
I can't see it being a problem for Larrivee to leave the PG off if we ask,I'm a bit amazed really that we can get a price for the guitar without the specs at the same time,there are only a couple of details I need to know before I'm in,leaving the PG off will also save Jim a load of time removing those PGs that some don't want,I would think it's easier to fit a PG than to remove one.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 02, 2009, 11:40:09 AM
                            I think I need some  :coffee


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on December 02, 2009, 02:50:31 PM
Specs!   -  We need specs!   :wink:  All Danny needs is coffee...    :coffee


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 02, 2009, 03:55:28 PM
Specs!   -  We need specs!   :wink:  All Danny needs is coffee...    :coffee
                Would you call Jim Holler please.
                                                                    Thank you


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on December 02, 2009, 04:05:38 PM
Specs!   -  We need specs!   

Here ya go

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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on December 02, 2009, 04:11:51 PM
I am really torn on this one.

Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on December 02, 2009, 04:29:29 PM
My God! That's George Burns, isn't it?
The jewelry is nice, but I wish he'd put his teeth back in.
(http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=29514.0;attach=7316;image)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on December 02, 2009, 04:35:35 PM
                Would you call Jim Holler please.
                                                                    Thank you
Oh, you're welcome! 

But how about posting the final specs here, since Jim doesn't want 33 phone calls or emails asking the same thing, right?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on December 02, 2009, 04:45:39 PM
   Like Dan said, call Jim for details. The link for Dave's OO-03 appears to show a guitar that is close to the F-IV, but no HOG top. Seems to be about the same. These come with a deluxe hardshell case. The LS-03 Limiteds came with the same style (-03) case as our F-III's. Might this mean that the F-IV's will be deluxe cases also? :smile:
   Dermot, cool pic & idea. Now, we have a link with similar specs & a mock-up of the F-IV. Looks cool with the P/G, but I personally prefer a clear one. Not an issue, though. Can be removed easily if on, but Jim will probably get 2 P/G's like last time. And, Jim told me that Larrivee won't put a left handed neck on mine, so I'll end up with, as I'm used to, a guitar with 2 sets of neck dots. All non-issues. Sound & playability are the main ones! :thumb
     Jeff
   Let Dan drink his coffe now & get down to work!! :coffee :coffee


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frasier1 on December 02, 2009, 06:44:13 PM
Personally, I saw a striking resemblance to Hugh Hefner!!!   Just needs a robe and a pipe!     :humour:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on December 02, 2009, 06:55:11 PM
  :+1: I couldn't think who it looked like, but you got it!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 02, 2009, 07:08:42 PM
Looks like the mirror I saw when I got up early last Sunday morning after a late evening of a few Cdn beers


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on December 02, 2009, 07:33:22 PM
Looks like the mirror I saw when I got up early last Sunday morning after a late evening of a few Cdn beers
Joyce, you gotta get a new mirror, Mister!
edited now that I am in possession of new (to me) information.
with all due respect and malice toward none.
Here, have a donut.  :donut
 :wave


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pehabe on December 02, 2009, 10:24:11 PM
yuhuuu,
just got email from Jim, deposit is clear.
I am number 10 on the list.
Exited... :nana_guitar
Thank you Danny for the effort, time and your nerve making this F-IV possible. :D
 :donut :donut2

Peter


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on December 03, 2009, 12:35:26 AM
I am sure you will be able to have the pickguard(s) not attached and just put in the case like the F III.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 03, 2009, 12:37:20 AM
I am sure you will be able to have the pickguard(s) not attached and just put in the case like the F III.
   I have e-mailed Jim regarding the PG and specs. When I get an answer I'll post it.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on December 03, 2009, 01:07:37 AM
Thanks Danny!

-James

 :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: shakey56 on December 03, 2009, 04:50:07 AM
Howdy, Any word yet on the price? I'm up in Vancouver a couple of miles from Larrivee and I just bought my second one. (A used Mahogany satin parlour) I'd be interested to know what the 12 fret OO would cost here in Canada. cheers, Brian


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 03, 2009, 05:02:27 AM
Howdy, Any word yet on the price? I'm up in Vancouver a couple of miles from Larrivee and I just bought my second one. (A used Mahogany satin parlour) I'd be interested to know what the 12 fret OO would cost here in Canada. cheers, Brian
 Email me and I'll send you the price  dependan@gmail.com

                       modified; Jim will be able to take e-mails regarding price and interest in the F-IV

                               


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 03, 2009, 03:18:00 PM
                                                            UPDATE

        Jim has requested that the pick guard be put in the case and he will install it for those who want it on.

              Also he has tried repeatedly to get our particular specifications and will call Larrivee today.

     We have 10 definite orders and more that are tentative. We are getting there folks and Jim is trying hard.

Please e-mail Jim Holler for the price or any interest in the F-IV purchase.


Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars
800 West Third St
Jamestown, NY 14701
716-665-4490

www.trinityguitars.com         
   

                    If anyone requests a price or information please tell them to e-mail Trinity and not PM.
                                                (That will make it all easier to keep up with)

thanks Jim  :thumbsup


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on December 03, 2009, 08:18:02 PM
Is the December 15th deadline going to stick? It would be nice to get the order in before Christmas.   :bgrin:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 03, 2009, 11:21:37 PM
Just got an e-mail reply from Jim at Trinity...he got my deposit M.O., and I'm in at #6!!!

That number had no special significance for me ... but it does now!  :roll


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 04, 2009, 12:27:46 AM
Just got an e-mail reply from Jim at Trinity...he got my deposit M.O., and I'm in at #6!!!

That number had no special significance for me ... but it does now!  :roll

I suppose you could likely get 1L if you wanted  :roll


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 04, 2009, 02:28:25 AM
I suppose you could likely get 1L if you wanted  :roll

Nope...I think another lefty might have been the first to get his "lefty order" in!


Yoda to Obi-Wan:  "There is another..."


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 04, 2009, 02:51:40 AM
Is the December 15th deadline going to stick? It would be nice to get the order in before Christmas.   :bgrin:
  For now it's the only date discussed.
                                         A LITTLE NOTE
         JCL has been out of communication with Ricky the Larrivee sales rep. and Ricky does not want to give us the particurlar specs. for our F-IV until Jean can get them to him.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on December 04, 2009, 03:25:50 AM
Nope...I think another lefty might have been the first to get his "lefty order" in!


Yoda to Obi-Wan:  "There is another..."

I'm the other lefty but I have no idea where I am on the infamous list. How can I crack the secret code?  :roll


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 04, 2009, 03:30:25 AM
I'm the other lefty but I have no idea where I am on the infamous list. How can I crack the secret code?  :roll
Pick up the phone and call Jim (the Lord of the List) or e-mail him.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 04, 2009, 03:33:11 AM
Pick up the phone and call Jim (the Lord of the List) or e-mail him.

Yup...I sent hiim an e-mail...heard back from him in 10 minutes, and this is at 5:50 Eastern time! He shoulda been on his way home for the day!

(I suspect you won't get a reply now until tomorrow morning...)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on December 04, 2009, 03:42:48 AM
Yup...I sent hiim an e-mail...heard back from him in 10 minutes, and this is at 5:50 Eastern time! He shoulda been on his way home for the day!

(I suspect you won't get a reply now until tomorrow morning...)

Thanks but I'd rather not bother him with another phone call. I emailed Jim yesterday but he didn't respond so I called earlier today to make sure he received my deposit. I forgot who I spoke with but he said that my deposit was received and that I was on the list. I just never thought to ask where I was on the list. I paid him on Monday.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 04, 2009, 02:52:48 PM
                             UPDATE

        Jim has requested that the pick guard be put in the case and he will install it for those who want it on.

              Also he has tried repeatedly to get our particular specifications and will call Larrivee today.

     We have 10 definite orders and more that are tentative. We are getting there folks and Jim is trying hard.

Please e-mail Jim Holler for the price or any interest in the F-IV purchase.


Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars
800 West Third St
Jamestown, NY 14701
716-665-4490

www.trinityguitars.com        
  

      If anyone requests a price or information please tell them to e-mail Trinity and not PM.
       (That will make it all easier to keep up with)

thanks Jim  :thumbsup
       Just call Jim or e-mail him, I think he would like it better that way now that the initial flurry of activity has subsided.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jumpjibe on December 05, 2009, 01:24:24 AM
Sent my deposit off today, 12/4.  Another one on the way . . .  Thx to Randy R for the recommendation!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 05, 2009, 01:31:12 AM
Sent my deposit off today, 12/4.  Another one on the way . . .  Thx to Randy R for the recommendation!
  Welcome to the Forum and to the Forum IV. It was Randy who suggested I contact a dealer for a 00-03 MT to begin with. And then after I did he suggested that it should be a Forum guitar.


methinks Randy wants a 00-03MT  :nice guitar:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: AZLiberty on December 05, 2009, 02:18:05 AM
I guess I'll have to see what I can sell this weekend to scrounge up some money.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Joby on December 05, 2009, 03:14:35 AM
My deposit is in...#11 is on its way to Canada.  :nana_guitar


 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :coffee :donut :donut :coffee :coffee


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 05, 2009, 03:19:09 AM
My deposit is in...#11 is on its way to Canada.  :nana_guitar


 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :coffee :donut :donut :coffee :coffee
  GREAT number 11 was the other number I thought that I would like to have. Since I have F-III #1 then it would be F-IV #11
                   F-III 1& F-IV 11           but it will be F-III 1 F-IV II    :rolleye:

                            Or maybe F-III & IV  1&2  nah...

            I got it        "1 2 III IV"  :whistling:


I'm a numbers man ya see


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Joby on December 05, 2009, 03:47:43 AM
  GREAT number 11 was the other number I thought that I would like to have. Since I have F-III #1 then it would be F-IV #11
                   F-III 1& F-IV 11           but it will be F-III 1 F-IV II    :rolleye:

                            Or maybe F-III & IV  1&2  nah...

            I got it        "1 2 III IV"  :whistling:


I'm a numbers man ya see


haha...I see :smile: ...it's Friday and you know what that means...it's time to pick up the guitar and have a couple of beers. :cheers


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 05, 2009, 04:22:38 AM
My deposit is in...#11 is on its way to Canada.  :nana_guitar


 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :coffee :donut :donut :coffee :coffee

My friend your # 11 like my # 4 is NOT on its way to Canada they ARE SYAYIN in Canada  and a couple others too I think.  :welcome:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Joby on December 05, 2009, 04:44:28 AM
My friend your # 11 like my # 4 is NOT on its way to Canada they ARE SYAYIN in Canada  and a couple others too I think.  :welcome:

So they are getting shipped to us straight from BC?...That's awesome..less travel on the little girl.  :thumbsup


 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :coffee :donut :donut :coffee


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: bobsnob on December 05, 2009, 01:14:19 PM
So they are getting shipped to us straight from BC?...That's awesome..less travel on the little girl.

The way I understand it, FIV guitars going to people in Canada will be shipped directly from Larrivee in Vancouver, unless the buyer wants Jim to install a bone saddle.  In that case, the guitar would be shipped to Trinity Guitars, then back to Canada, passing through Canadian customs along the way.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 05, 2009, 01:28:29 PM
                        Forum IV Specifications

Wood:Top backs and sides South American Mahogany.

Old style OO Larrivee body (these are not slot heads)


 
Forum 00-03 mahogany top


Lower Bout: 14.25”
Upper Bout: 10.25”
Waist: 8.25”
Depth: 4.25”
Scale Length: 25.5”
Nut Width: 1 & 3/4””

I think the above specs. are right and the ones given to us which are below are for a parlor, sorry I didn't catch it earlier.  Danny

Upper bout 9.125"                           

Waist     7.875 "

Lower bout  13.125 inches

Depth 4 inches

nut width 1 3/4

Scale length 25.5

silver headstock border

Larrivee inlayed in pearl on headstock


12 fret neck to body

Ebony FB with micro dot markers

Pickguard to be included but not attached tortoise color

Mahogany top, body and neck

Herringbone rosette


                                                (These are from Larrivee)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 05, 2009, 01:33:56 PM
                              CONTACT TRINITY GUITARS TO ORDER THE FORUM IV

Include Name, Address billing and shipping, Phone number and Forum name. Please call or email to make arrangements for deposit. You will officially have a guitar on order once the deposit is complete.


Thank you
Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars
800 West Third St
Jamestown, NY 14701
716-665-4490
www.trinityguitars.com
" What we do in this life will resound throughout eternity"



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 05, 2009, 03:40:10 PM
Has it been confirmed 1 piece neck. Mini ping tuners and archtop case :?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 05, 2009, 03:43:42 PM
Has it been confirmed 1 piece neck. Mini ping tuners and archtop case :?
  If it had then they would be posted here. This is what they gave us so far. I sent a reply asking for a few more details , knowing that there would be more questions.
                When I get the answers I will post them.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 05, 2009, 04:06:14 PM
  If it had then they would be posted here. This is what they gave us so far. I sent a reply asking for a few more details , knowing that there would be more questions.
                When I get the answers I will post them.

Thanks Danny what other Specs do you see as being still outstanding?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 05, 2009, 04:12:23 PM
    Jim just e-mailed me and said to expect the flat top case, but Larrivee may surprise us.
     The three piece neck isn't known, but if it's a big issue for someone then maybe they should not order the F-IV.
      Jim said it would be made in Canada.
     
      As far as tuners I would expect Pings, probably mini's. But again we may never know which ones until we receive the guitar.

       I'll re-post the specs. with these notes later.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jwsamuel on December 05, 2009, 04:33:16 PM
Regarding the specs:

Is there no binding?

Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 05, 2009, 04:42:19 PM
Regarding the specs:

Is there no binding?

Jim
  There will be binding (of course) This is a 03 series Larrivee guitar, unless the specs. are listed as different then we can expect that it will be built to 03 current standards.
                Jim will post a picture of the 00-03 as well when he receives one. Which is what the F-IV is based on.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 05, 2009, 09:10:51 PM
    These should be the correct sizes for the F-IV

          
Lower Bout: 14.25”
Upper Bout: 10.25”
Waist: 8.25”
Depth: 4.25”
Scale Length: 25.5”
Nut Width: 1 & 3/4”

                


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Joby on December 05, 2009, 09:17:31 PM
    Jim just e-mailed me and said to expect the flat top case, but Larrivee may surprise us.
     The three piece neck isn't known, but if it's a big issue for someone then maybe they should not order the F-IV.
      Jim said it would be made in Canada.
     
      As far as tuners I would expect Pings, probably mini's. But again we may never know which ones until we receive the guitar.

       I'll re-post the specs. with these notes later.

It would be sweet if Larrivee surprised us with a archtop case.  :bgrin:

 :donut :donut :donut :coffee :donut2 :donut2 :coffee :coffee :donut2


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 05, 2009, 10:59:07 PM
It would be sweet if Larrivee surprised us with a archtop case.  :bgrin:

 :donut :donut :donut :coffee :donut2 :donut2 :coffee :coffee :donut2

Yes...it might be the only one they have available for this body size...and for a small run like this, it would be a nice bonus.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on December 07, 2009, 02:12:53 PM
Considering the FIIIs didn't get an archtop case, I would doubt it.

And guys, stop driving Danny crazy. He posts what he knows when he knows.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 07, 2009, 03:03:17 PM
It's OK to bug me or call Jim at Trinity. We are all subject to communication coming in from Larrivee, but I think we who have ordered this guitar realize what it is and though the clarity on minor details is still to be attained, we should have them very soon now.

            I think this will be a great little guitar and worth the effort.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 07, 2009, 06:22:40 PM
I think this will be a great little guitar and worth the effort.

 :+1:

I can't wait!!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: muscmp on December 07, 2009, 06:37:14 PM
before i contact jim to order one, i was curious as to what other guitar manufacturers make an all mahogany guitar similar to this one?  what models? isn't this rather rare in the industry?
thanks,
mikeB.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on December 07, 2009, 07:07:49 PM
Jim emailed me today, I am #12.

Yay!!!

-James
 :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on December 07, 2009, 07:23:59 PM
   The limited OO-03's that Dave has @ G.A. come with the delux hardshell case. Might be the case in that size, as the -03 series smallest catalog guitar is an OM. Lynda, I think that's why we got those OM cases with the LS-03's. I just sold my F-III case, having gotten a sweet case for my B-day that fits perfectly. Classical case. Can't think of a close match to a OO other than the delux one.
   I'm still tossing this one around, as it will be one cool, small, but bigger sounding guitar for its size? Seems like a nice fit wherever you play it.
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on December 07, 2009, 09:06:15 PM
Just got an e-mail reply from Jim at Trinity...he got my deposit M.O., and I'm in at #6!!!

That number had no special significance for me ... but it does now!  :roll

Just so you know, I am #7 so you are the first lefty on the list.  :donut


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 07, 2009, 10:55:43 PM
before i contact jim to order one, i was curious as to what other guitar manufacturers make an all mahogany guitar similar to this one?  what models? isn't this rather rare in the industry?
thanks,
mikeB.
  You are right about it being rare. This is one of the only all solid S. American Mahogany guitars being made in N.America in this size right now. Martin still makes a 00-15 but not for long and it is mostly sapele, not mahogany. I suppose some of the high end makers would make one for about 3 to 4 times what this one will be costing us.
               So I guess that narrows it down to this F-IV, or some older Martins, Harmonies,Gibsons etc. Even though a lot of all Mahogany guitars have been made through the years finding one in good condition is rare.
                Some others may know of something else, like Asian models in this size etc.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: bobsnob on December 08, 2009, 12:14:15 AM
   So I guess that narrows it down to this F-IV, or some older Martins, Harmonies,Gibsons etc. Even though a lot of all Mahogany guitars have been made through the years finding one in good condition is rare.
                Some others may know of something else, like Asian models in this size etc.

There's that Santa Cruz that tadol talked about way back in post #288.
http://www.elderly.com/new_instruments/items/SC1929.htm

Beautiful guitar, but out of my price range.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jumpjibe on December 08, 2009, 12:18:36 AM
Now on the list, too, # 13.

 :roll


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 08, 2009, 12:20:46 AM
There's that Santa Cruz that tadol talked about way back in post #288.
http://www.elderly.com/new_instruments/items/SC1929.htm

Beautiful guitar, but out of my price range.



Yup, over 3x's the price of the F-IV.  I'll stick with the F-IV.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Dotneck on December 08, 2009, 01:19:50 AM
There's that Santa Cruz that tadol talked about way back in post #288.
http://www.elderly.com/new_instruments/items/SC1929.htm

Beautiful guitar, but out of my price range.

Harry's in Raleigh has one of these in stock. First one I've seen. Beautiful  and just alive. I was impressed but you are right....just a little over 3x the price of the FIV.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: 01strat on December 08, 2009, 02:43:45 AM
I'm very interested in the Forum IV.  What are people expecting or anticipating in terms of the tonal characteristics of the 00-03MT?  Do you expect the voice to be similar to the LS-03MT FIII except with lower volume and perhaps a shriller voice?   The FIV sounds like it'll be ideal for blues and ragtime but perhaps not so versatile for any other styles?

I'm very tempted but I'm worried that this will be a specific, unique, sound that I might easily grow tired.  Any thoughts or comments? 



   


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 08, 2009, 03:03:52 AM
I'm very interested in the Forum IV.  What are people expecting or anticipating in terms of the tonal characteristics of the 00-03MT?  Do you expect the voice to be similar to the LS-03MT FIII except with lower volume and perhaps a shriller voice?   The FIV sounds like it'll be ideal for blues and ragtime but perhaps not so versatile for any other styles?

I'm very tempted but I'm worried that this will be a specific, unique, sound that I might easily grow tired.  Any thoughts or comments? 



   
   Shrill????  You better by a J200 or a Cello.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on December 08, 2009, 03:27:25 AM
...  I'm very tempted but I'm worried that this will be a specific, unique, sound that I might easily grow tired.  Any thoughts or comments? 
Your concerns are valid.  I've had 3 hog-top guitars and now have none.  My guess is that the 00-03MT will have a warm, woody, and sweet sound that will be very friendly and comforting to hear and play. 

But I wouldn't use it as my only guitar (unless, of course, I was stuck on a deserted island...).  If the F-IV doesn't work for me, I likely won't lose much money, and I'll stick to spruce on top.  However, I am confident and hopeful it will be a sweetheart!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Bltprf502 on December 08, 2009, 03:48:51 AM


Yup, over 3x's the price of the F-IV.  I'll stick with the F-IV.

Larrivee's are very nice guitars, but it would be hard to compare them truly  because the Cruz's are so light in build and are hand voiced/hand made.  Not to discredit anything, but there is a difference beyond "three times the price".  Everthing has its place.... these 00 hog tops will be nice little guitars for the $.

When is the deadline for the deposit???  Anyone know yet?  Thx!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 08, 2009, 04:02:26 AM
Larrivee's are very nice guitars, but it would be hard to compare them truly  because the Cruz's are so light in build and are hand voiced/hand made.  Not to discredit anything, but there is a difference beyond "three times the price".  Everthing has its place.... these 00 hog tops will be nice little guitars for the $.

When is the deadline for the deposit???  Anyone know yet?  Thx!
Yup, we all know that. But this isn't the SCGC Forum IV.
         
 December 15th is close of order date. And a deposit has to be made to order the F-IV.

(I happen to know that Jim is a merciful fellow, but I'd get it in by the 15th myself)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: shakey56 on December 08, 2009, 05:42:24 AM
Well, I'm in at #14...looking forward to it! cheers, Brian


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 08, 2009, 05:50:24 AM
There's that Santa Cruz that tadol talked about way back in post #288.
http://www.elderly.com/new_instruments/items/SC1929.htm

Beautiful guitar, but out of my price range.

That Santa Cruz is nice, I'm sure, but it has no herringbone rosette, no maple body binding (looks like mahogany with black pinstripe binding)...it also is not a slot-head at a very "slot-head price," and it's a shorter scale (which would appeal to some, but not me, especially on this size body).  It would be very interesting to put it side by side with one of these Larrivee's (when they're built, of course) for a tone comparison.

For the extra $2K or so, you DO get the pyramid bridge!

Just sayin' ...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: 01strat on December 08, 2009, 07:28:44 AM
Thanks very much for your comments to my earlier question.  If I could bother you all for additional thoughts on another Q?

Do you think the F-IV will offer similar volume and tone to the Martin 00-15?  I played the 00-15 and it offers surprising volume.  I actually preferred the tone of the 00-15 to the 000-15 (both were 14 fret).   The Martin specs are little bit larger than the Larrivee 00 body specs.  

Martin 00-15 specs (14 fret, 24.9" scale length, lower bout 14 5/16", upper bout 10 7/8", body depth 4 1/8", 1 11/16" nut width)

I'm seriously considering the F-IV as I've never owned a 12 fret, but I'm on the fence with concerns about the tone and volume since no-one has played a 00-03MT or similar?  I'm guessing the tonal characteristics will be similar to the 00-50MT but the 50's have an enlarged sound hole that will be different than the 00-03MT?  (e.g.  50 offers increased volume, deeper, and richer tone?)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on December 08, 2009, 08:04:29 AM
Thanks very much for your comments to my earlier question.  If I could bother you all for additional thoughts on another Q?

Do you think the F-IV will offer similar volume and tone to the Martin 00-15?  I played the 00-15 and it offers surprising volume.  I actually preferred the tone of the 00-15 to the 000-15 (both were 14 fret).   The Martin specs are little bit larger than the Larrivee 00 body specs.  

Martin 00-15 specs (14 fret, 24.9" scale length, lower bout 14 5/16", upper bout 10 7/8", body depth 4 1/8", 1 11/16" nut width)

I'm seriously considering the F-IV as I've never owned a 12 fret, but I'm on the fence with concerns about the tone and volume since no-one has played a 00-03MT or similar?  I'm guessing the tonal characteristics will be similar to the 00-50MT but the 50's have an enlarged sound hole that will be different than the 00-03MT?  (e.g.  50 offers increased volume, deeper, and richer tone?)

I suspect that if the 12 fret neck doesn't bother you from a playing perspective, then it will improve the tone and volume of the guitar over the 14 fret Martin.  My F-III is LOUD compared to my OM of a similar internal volume (no pun intended), and I put this down to the 12 fret design and bridge placement.

In terms of alternatives, a Guild M20 is an all hog guitar of a similar size, but 14 fret and short scale, so probably a little more thumpy and not as loud as either the Martin or the F-IV (I am speculating here).  The GAD M20 will set you back less than half of what the forum IV is, with a deluxe case, bone nut and saddle, gloss finish - a nice little guitar, but far eastern quality control dictates that you might get a cracker or you might get a dog.  It is a gamble that I will take in the future if a used F-IV doesn't come up when I can afford it.  Huss and Dalton do an OO with an all hog option, which is simply one of the most beautiful guitars i have ever seen.  It is knocking on the door of 4 x the price of the F-IV though.  It would be my first buy if I won the lotto.  Everyone has a lotto win guitar right?

If you have the $$$ ready to go, I think of all the suggestions, the F-IV will be the all round best deal, all things considered, in my opinion.  I agree with Danny, my F-III isn't a good guitar for the money, it is a good guitar period.  I basically swapped it for a new D-09 to make it work to the UK (customs, shipping etc. etc. etc.), and I wouldn't swap back in a million years.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 08, 2009, 02:41:54 PM
Thanks very much for your comments to my earlier question.  If I could bother you all for additional thoughts on another Q?

Do you think the F-IV will offer similar volume and tone to the Martin 00-15?  I played the 00-15 and it offers surprising volume.  I actually preferred the tone of the 00-15 to the 000-15 (both were 14 fret).   The Martin specs are little bit larger than the Larrivee 00 body specs. 

Martin 00-15 specs (14 fret, 24.9" scale length, lower bout 14 5/16", upper bout 10 7/8", body depth 4 1/8", 1 11/16" nut width)

I'm seriously considering the F-IV as I've never owned a 12 fret, but I'm on the fence with concerns about the tone and volume since no-one has played a 00-03MT or similar?  I'm guessing the tonal characteristics will be similar to the 00-50MT but the 50's have an enlarged sound hole that will be different than the 00-03MT?  (e.g.  50 offers increased volume, deeper, and richer tone?)
  I have owned a 00-09FM which was built to the same size specs as the F-IV will be. I loved the tone and volume from it. It was maple/spruce so some of the comparison is obviously not the same.
               I have also played the 15 series 000's and I'm pretty sure it was a 00-15 also. These have a modified bracing which to me stifles them compared to the Martin 1/4'' scalloped X bracing. I was not impressed with the tone or volume on the 15's, I know for sure the ones I tried were a 12 fret and a 14 fret, so I did play both those styles.
               I don't know if you would be happy with an F-IV. But at least as you can see by posts here, there will be some waiting in the wings later to buy one used.
      So it's your call. But I like the 00 Larri sound and can't wait to get mine.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 08, 2009, 02:46:58 PM
"(I'm guessing the tonal characteristics will be similar to the 00-50MT but the 50's have an enlarged sound hole that will be different than the 00-03MT?  (e.g.  50 offers increased volume, deeper, and richer tone?)"

Oh, on this part I think the 00-03MT will be similar. It is a 12 fret and has less finish than a 00-50MT, so it will vibrate more freely on the back, sides and top.

      (And you could always get out your pocket knife on that sound hole)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tikabear on December 08, 2009, 03:02:23 PM
"I'm seriously considering the F-IV as I've never owned a 12 fret, but I'm on the fence with concerns about the tone and volume since no-one has played a 00-03MT or similar?  I'm guessing the tonal characteristics will be similar to the 00-50MT but the 50's have an enlarged sound hole that will be different than the 00-03MT?  (e.g.  50 offers increased volume, deeper, and richer tone?"

I'd have the same concerns about the tone and volume of a 00 because I like deep, full sounding guitars.  However, the comfort of a small guitar is tough to beat.  I have a Forum II mahogany top OM, 12 fret.  It is almost as loud as my L03R but it's had about 3 years to open up.  I don't think I'd ever sell it because it sounds so much bigger than it is and plays so well (I admit i'm gassing for that C09 at Galaxy Music).  I'm sure the larger dimensions help with the tone being so full but I also believe that the bridge placement in the middle of the sound board on a 12 fret improves the tone and volume.  I've played a 00 17 Martin and other Larrive OM's in 14 fret that didn't have the fullness my OM has.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: teh on December 08, 2009, 07:01:50 PM
Tikabear: I don't think the small body is going to give you a big sound but it will give you a balanced sound that will be hard to beat for fingerstyle. If you want big sound, you can always amplify or mike it.

In my opinion the F-IV guitar is the modern day version of the Martin 00-17. Those who buy one will probably be glad they did. I have a 12 fret parlor that scratches my small guitar itch but if I didn't have it, I would be all over this model. I wouldn't try to compare the parlor to my dread or OM (Both Martins) or anything else I have played.

Think about it: Between 1930 and 1960, Martin made 13,360 model 00-17 guitars (All mahogany w/ simple appointments.) Source: The Martin Book by Walter Carter. I saw one of these for sale for $2,500 a few weeks ago and this model sold for $35 in 1930 and $105 in 1960. Source: Martin Guitars: A History by Mike Longworth. Most of the ones I have seen for sale look to be well played. I love my Martins but the price of their parlors and comparable models are pretty steep.

While the Santa Cruz is nice, it has a price tag to match. In the end, the F-IV will prove to be one of the best values to come down the pike in a long time.



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 08, 2009, 07:38:46 PM
Well said TEH.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tikabear on December 08, 2009, 08:57:44 PM
"Tikabear: I don't think the small body is going to give you a big sound but it will give you a balanced sound that will be hard to beat for fingerstyle."

My point exactly.  I was simply addressing 01strat's concerns about tone and volume.  I like the big, full sound I get from my L03R and my Forum II has nearly the same volume and fullness even though it is smaller.  No one can be completely certain about how the 00 will sound until it's played but I expect it will be fuller and louder due to the fact that it's a 12 fret. 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: AZLiberty on December 09, 2009, 01:08:42 AM
I don't think the small body is going to give you a big sound but it will give you a balanced sound that will be hard to beat for fingerstyle. If you want big sound, you can always amplify or mike it.


My concern is actually that the mahogany top will be too stiff for a good fingerstyle guitar.  Most of the 'hog toped guitars I;ve interacted with only really sounded good played with a pick.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on December 09, 2009, 01:39:33 AM
My concern is actually that the mahogany top will be too stiff for a good fingerstyle guitar.  Most of the 'hog toped guitars I;ve interacted with only really sounded good played with a pick.

Perhaps with thumbpick and fingerpicks and medium strings it will get moving!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 09, 2009, 01:54:26 AM
 OK


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 09, 2009, 09:15:05 PM
I don't want to sound like a nag, but having ordered one of these, I am interested in knowing (eventually) if it will have a one-piece neck, and what kind of case. Time frame isn't critical, but it seems by now Larrivee would know the rest of the specs on these, since over a dozen are confirmed ordered.

I know it's getting close to Christmas, and we're having blizzards in the midwest (two days off of school now for the kids), but I don't think it's snowing in Oxnard, and I'd be (pleasantly and happily) surprised if Larrivee was overrun with other orders in the midst of this booming economy. So why can't we find out these details?  I'm not blaming anyone, just asking if someone can do a little more investigating on our behalf.

Sorry, it's just me ... I've always been a "glass half empty" kind of guy...  :rolleye:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on December 09, 2009, 09:18:42 PM
I don't want to sound like a nag, but having ordered one of these, I am interested in knowing (eventually) if it will have a one-piece neck, and what kind of case. Time frame isn't critical, but it seems by now Larrivee would know the rest of the specs on these, since over a dozen are confirmed ordered.

I know it's getting close to Christmas, and we're having blizzards in the midwest (two days off of school now for the kids), but I don't think it's snowing in Oxnard, and I'd be (pleasantly and happily) surprised if Larrivee was overrun with other orders in the midst of this booming economy. So why can't we find out these details?  I'm not blaming anyone, just asking if someone can do a little more investigating on our behalf.

Sorry, it's just me ... I've always been a "glass half empty" kind of guy...  :rolleye:

Maybe it's just us lefties that are that way because I'm curious too.   :bgrin:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 09, 2009, 11:04:44 PM
I don't want to sound like a nag, but having ordered one of these, I am interested in knowing (eventually) if it will have a one-piece neck, and what kind of case. Time frame isn't critical, but it seems by now Larrivee would know the rest of the specs on these, since over a dozen are confirmed ordered.

I know it's getting close to Christmas, and we're having blizzards in the midwest (two days off of school now for the kids), but I don't think it's snowing in Oxnard, and I'd be (pleasantly and happily) surprised if Larrivee was overrun with other orders in the midst of this booming economy. So why can't we find out these details?  I'm not blaming anyone, just asking if someone can do a little more investigating on our behalf.

Sorry, it's just me ... I've always been a "glass half empty" kind of guy...  :rolleye:
  I e-mailed Jim earlier today. I have not heard back yet.
  On the 3 piece neck, Jim has already said he expects it will be 3 piece. On the case he said expect the flat case and if we get an archtop case it will be and upgrade from Larrivee.
              If we get some answers I'll post em. I am curious also. But none of those issues are a deal breaker for me. The all S. American Mahogany 00MT was what I wanted. The rest is just stuff that will be nice if it goes our way, but no biggie if it doesn't.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on December 09, 2009, 11:58:46 PM
Thanks Danny for the info on the neck.

I will assume, then, that the neck will be in 3-pieces.  That might be a deal breaker for me, and I have to think it out for another few days.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 10, 2009, 12:33:15 AM
  I e-mailed Jim earlier today. I have not heard back yet.
  On the 3 piece neck, Jim has already said he expects it will be 3 piece. On the case he said expect the flat case and if we get an archtop case it will be and upgrade from Larrivee.
              If we get some answers I'll post em. I am curious also. But none of those issues are a deal breaker for me. The all S. American Mahogany 00MT was what I wanted. The rest is just stuff that will be nice if it goes our way, but no biggie if it doesn't.


I agree, neither of those things is a deal breaker for me, either. I just thought by now we might hear the final details, that's all. Thanks for checking on it.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 10, 2009, 01:47:03 AM
The all S. American Mahogany 00MT was what I wanted. The rest is just stuff that will be nice if it goes our way, but no biggie if it doesn't.


yup


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: AZLiberty on December 10, 2009, 02:01:37 AM
When did Larrivee start doing 3-piece necks?  (all mine are from the 90's and are one-piece)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 10, 2009, 03:08:22 AM
The first ones were the 03 parlors that were just released this fall.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: 01strat on December 10, 2009, 05:42:51 AM
Can someone please explain the problem with Larrivee's three piece neck?  Is it just cosmetics to which people feel uncomfortable?  Multi-piece necks have been used by Taylor and other guitar makers for years.  Given that mahogany is so expensive, isn't it better that this type of neck saves wood and is supposedly stronger than a one piece as well?  I saw this post explaining the merits of Taylor's scarf joint.

http://www.taylorguitarforum.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1461663


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on December 10, 2009, 06:12:41 AM
Can someone please explain the problem with Larrivee's three piece neck?  Is it just cosmetics to which people feel uncomfortable?  Multi-piece necks have been used by Taylor and other guitar makers for years.  Given that mahogany is so expensive, isn't it better that this type of neck saves wood and is supposedly stronger than a one piece as well?  ...
The problem, if it really is one, is the end of a tradition of one-piece necks.  Most guitar geeks consider it inevitable on all but the fanciest of guitars.  The Forum IV guitar is likely priced as reasonable as it is due to the lower costs of the new necks.  (Martin has used "wings" on the headstocks for a few years now, except for the GE and Authentic series.  Yeah, even the vaunted D-28 doesn't have a one-piece neck.  Heck, it might be made of Spanish cedar.)

It is not a big deal, really, but sometimes tradition is just very hard to break.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: AZLiberty on December 10, 2009, 06:28:37 AM
I guess I just associate a 3-piece neck with an inferior brand, you know, like Taylor.  Structurally there is nothing wrong with a 3-piece (it's actually stronger)  it's just somewhat lacking aesthetically.  And yeah, it's probably inevitable.



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: eded on December 10, 2009, 12:00:20 PM
And yeah, it's probably inevitable.

If they'd make 'em out of plastic, there'd be no problem making them one piece.   :roll

Ed  (inferior brands...  you guys crack me up sometimes)



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: sniggs on December 10, 2009, 01:12:58 PM
the picture I've seen of the larrivee 3 piece neck seem not to be sandwiched together length wise but are on top of each other? thought the neck issue would have been confirmed on day one ,and not still waiting conformation a few days before orders are due to be closed.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 10, 2009, 02:42:12 PM
the picture I've seen of the larrivee 3 piece neck seem not to be sandwiched together length wise but are on top of each other? thought the neck issue would have been confirmed on day one ,and not still waiting conformation a few days before orders are due to be closed.
              Well, at this point it's just us chickens. And all we can do is cluck,squawk and peck around until the Rooster decides to crow.
                
                I have heard from Jim Holler, who has not heard back from Larrivee. I reminded Jim this is up for an order closing of December 15th. edit; Jim forwarded my e-mail on to the Larrivee Representative which expressed all these concerns.
      
                 Cluck,cluck, squawk,scratch, peck, peck. Where is that rooster :?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 10, 2009, 02:52:45 PM
Can someone please explain the problem with Larrivee's three piece neck?

  Given that mahogany is so expensive, isn't it better that this type of neck saves wood and is supposedly stronger than a one piece as well?
  There is the answer in your own post. But as the prof said we like tradition, but I'll take the 3 piece if it is what they are using now.
             
                Has any member actually received the new 00-03 from the limited run yet?
       It would be good to know how that one was made, because ours should be about the same.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 10, 2009, 03:47:22 PM
the picture I've seen of the larrivee 3 piece neck seem not to be sandwiched together length wise but are on top of each other? thought the neck issue would have been confirmed on day one ,and not still waiting conformation a few days before orders are due to be closed.

Firstly the outstanding SPECS will not affect my decision in the least. However it might some thus in fairness to those that it does should consideration not be given to extending the order date til say 2 weeks or so after the final specs are in?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 10, 2009, 04:06:48 PM
Guitar Adoptions has the specs online for the 00-03and it says a 1 piece mahogany neck.  The only 3 pice necks I've ever seen on a Larrivee is on those little parlors.  I would love for it to be a one piece but as I said before, I will take the 00-03MT with a 3 piece neck if that's waht it comes with...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 10, 2009, 04:14:06 PM
Firstly the outstanding SPECS will not affect my decision in the least. However it might some thus in fairness to those that it does should consideration not be given to extending the order date til say 2 weeks or so after the final specs are in?
                I personally think an extension of two more weeks is meaningless. It will be two "dead weeks" for most people. Traveling, business closed and just more delay in the process of getting the "build" started. Plus two more weeks of speculation and hand wringing.
                If a forum member has not received a new 00-03 yet,maybe we could ask a shop that has received one (like LA Guitars). Just how they were made. Then we would not have to delay this more.
                At any rate "Larrivee" should step forward and end this, with some clarity.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: eded on December 10, 2009, 04:16:50 PM
              
                Has any member actually received the new 00-03 from the limited run yet?
       It would be good to know how that one was made, because ours should be about the same.

No.  But I'm ready and waiting.

Ed


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 10, 2009, 04:35:57 PM
Admittedly I may not be the brightest BUT I can't imagine quoting a cost and not be fully aware of the Specs before I quote the $figure,  just me though. I know this post is not helpful BUT seems very odd to me


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 10, 2009, 04:39:30 PM
Yup.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tadol on December 10, 2009, 04:55:28 PM
Could also be the factory doesn't want to be pinned down on specific details, since they don't have a firm quantity for the order yet. If the order were for 6 guitars, it may be no problem with 1 piece necks if they have the stock on hand, but if they get an order for 20 or 30 guitars, they may not have enough of the right material to make them all one piece - It's not like this stuff just grows on trees -

Tad


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 10, 2009, 04:58:09 PM
''It's not like this stuff just grows on trees - ''

                         HMMMMM :winkin:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 10, 2009, 06:04:31 PM
It's not like this stuff just grows on trees -

 :laughin:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tuffythepug on December 10, 2009, 06:29:09 PM
Ladies and gentelmen.............Tad Youngman.......... :roll


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Bltprf502 on December 10, 2009, 10:23:40 PM
I think extending it is a good idea for some.  Most of us have budgets around Christmas time and may have a challange comming up with a "few hun" before then for a deposit.  I know some folks are not patient enough to wait.  But, some folks may do "without" if more time is not given.  Just something to think about.  Most members have planty of guitars to play until the new one comes.  Why not give other folks a chance to fork up the deposit with inflicting pressure on them.  more time past the 15th seems logical, but I am not driving this bus either.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 10, 2009, 10:45:20 PM
I think extending it is a good idea for some.  Most of us have budgets around Christmas time and may have a challange comming up with a "few hun" before then for a deposit.  I know some folks are not patient enough to wait.  But, some folks may do "without" if more time is not given.  Just something to think about.  Most members have planty of guitars to play until the new one comes.  Why not give other folks a chance to fork up the deposit with inflicting pressure on them.  more time past the 15th seems logical, but I am not driving this bus either.
  Let's do another thread, if you would could you start it? Then we could just ask how many would seriously be interested if it was postponed. Frankly I am flat out against any more delay, but I'm not the forum.
                 So start a thread for SERIOUS buyers only, so we don't have 500 posts with 1000 opinions and another slough of despond to waid through to just buy a little 00 MT.
                 I'll be behind what the forum members decide.
      Until then the deadline is December 15th. (Maybe I need to fly to Van City and knock on the door of the factory)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 10, 2009, 11:24:30 PM
Personally, I'm with Danny.  I don't want to wait any longer than absolutely necessary. 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Bltprf502 on December 10, 2009, 11:37:00 PM
Per Danny's request, a poll has been posted for those that are interested...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on December 11, 2009, 12:10:25 AM
Likely they will overshoot the production count on this and there will be a few additional guitars for sale.
I'm with Denis & Danny on this one.
Stick with the original deadline.
Delaying this another 2 weeks will just add a several hundred more posts to the thread, and these old eyes just can't bear it.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 11, 2009, 12:12:15 AM
Likely they will overshoot the production count on this and there will be a few additional guitars for sale.
I'm with Denis & Danny on this one.
Stick with the original deadline.
Delaying this another 2 weeks will just add a several hundred more posts to the thread, and these old eyes just can't bear it.
    Yes, I mean,  YUP.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: bobsnob on December 11, 2009, 12:13:48 AM
Likely they will overshoot the production count on this and there will be a few additional guitars for sale.
I'm with Denis & Danny on this one.
Stick with the original deadline.
Delaying this another 2 weeks will just add a several hundred more posts to the thread, and these old eyes just can't bear it.

I agree.  Let's stick with the original deadline.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 11, 2009, 12:36:22 AM
I agree.  Let's stick with the original deadline.

              
   That makes 4.  I think we have a Quorum...  :+1:


 Unless things drastically change we are sticking with the 15th  
 
                                                         :thumbsup                                                                                


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 11, 2009, 01:03:08 AM
                                                     BREAKING NEWS

Jim Holler
 to me  6:51 PM (3 minutes ago)
   
                                                                                     Ok, Here we go.
00-03 mahogany top
body length ( without neck ) 19 3/8th
Width upper bout 10 1/8th
width lower bout  14 1/8th
depth at butt end of guitar 4 1/4th
depth at neck end of body  3 3/8th
one piece mahogany neck
with ebony headstock overlay , silver border and pearl logo
ebony fingerboard
nut width 1 3/4th
2 3/8th string spacing at bridge
back strip
herringbone rosette
12 fret neck

                           (as has been said many X's before. "Time to put up, or shut up")  :donut    



Thanks again Jim. And tell Ricky, thanks


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 11, 2009, 01:32:50 AM
Man!!!!!! How can Larrivee offer this guitar at that price where the heck is the profit? BUT I WILL TAKE IT!!!!!!  :roll


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 11, 2009, 02:19:41 AM
                                                 
2 3/8th string spacing at bridge
 



Thanks again Jim. And tell Ricky, thanks

What's the string spacing on the FIII?

 :drool:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Bltprf502 on December 11, 2009, 02:21:48 AM
Hey Denis,

The Habs were winning when I turned off the tube.  What is it? "Go Habs go!"

 :cheers


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on December 11, 2009, 02:41:08 AM
             
   That makes 4.  I think we have a Quorum...  :+1:


 Unless things drastically change we are sticking with the 15th  
 
                                                         :thumbsup                                                                                

I say stick with the 15th drop dead date too. :thumb


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Bltprf502 on December 11, 2009, 02:55:30 AM
From the pics I have seen on the web, it looks like a large sound hole.... Or maybe its just a regular soundhole on a small body.  Check out GA's web site and also LA Guitars.  The sound hole does look bigger.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 11, 2009, 02:55:52 AM
What's the string spacing on the FIII?

 :drool:
  The F-III I have is only 2 3/16''  My OM-21 is 2 5/16  If this really winds up at 2 3/8 that will be some finger style guitar.
                I always find the official specs. to be a tad off on most guitars though. Not just Larrivees, but every maker. But if this means a wider spacing this is sounding more and more like my dream guitar. My F-III may collect dust after I get the IV in my hands.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on December 11, 2009, 03:28:52 AM
Okay, the specs look great.  I'll be talking to Jim this weekend.  The current Dec 15 date seems fine to me.

Put me down as a definite.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 11, 2009, 03:29:15 AM
 :nanadance :nana_guitar

This is going to be one very sweet guitar!!! Very unique, with the wider string spacing, and a back strip - that's very rare on a Larrivee! 

I'm more stoked than ever about this!

 :guitar :thumbsup

:thumb :bowdown:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 11, 2009, 03:39:25 AM
Okay, the specs look great.  I'll be talking to Jim this weekend.  The current Dec 15 date seems fine to me.

Put me down as a definite.
 You'll be 15 if you get in there quick. (I know it's just a number)
  I think now that we see these ''way cool'' specs. we will see a few more ordered.

:nanadance :nana_guitar

This is going to be one very sweet guitar!!! Very unique, with the wider string spacing, and a back strip - that's very rare on a Larrivee!  

I'm more stoked than ever about this!

 :guitar :thumbsup

:thumb :bowdown:
                             And a one piece mahogany neck, on an all mahogany guitar.

                                         Forum we did it again :nice guitar:  Thank you all :donut



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 11, 2009, 04:32:13 AM
Man!!!!!! How can Larrivee offer this guitar at that price where the heck is the profit? BUT I WILL TAKE IT!!!!!!  :roll

 :+1:
 :+1:
 :+1:
 :+1:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 11, 2009, 04:44:02 AM
 You'll be 15 if you get in there quick. (I know it's just a number)

Yes, but he'll be #15/of 15 ... at least for awhile!!!

 :thumb


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on December 11, 2009, 04:47:07 AM
Yes, but he'll be #15/of 15 ... at least for awhile!!! :thumb

The # of the guitar is no matter. 

Will Jim be affixing bone saddles on this run?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: scdreger on December 11, 2009, 05:20:55 AM
I am loving these specs. I am calling Jim tomorrow with my deposit.  :thumb


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: sniggs on December 11, 2009, 05:25:48 AM
please don't take this question the wrong way,can someone tell me how the back strip works,never seen one on a Larrivee, will it be th same wood as the binding and how come Larrivee have choosen to go with a strip on these guitars? but I don't know why but it maks the guitar sound a bit cooler than it already was  :nice guitar:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 11, 2009, 05:40:35 AM
please don't take this question the wrong way,can someone tell me how the back strip works,never seen one on a Larrivee, will it be th same wood as the binding and how come Larrivee have choosen to go with a strip on these guitars? but I don't know why but it maks the guitar sound a bit cooler than it already was  :nice guitar:

I'm hoping it's a herringbone back strip, but I don't know...  :drool:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jshowyin on December 11, 2009, 05:55:59 AM
If you get 21 orders I might need to jump in and snag # 22 to go with FIII #22.  :whistling:  Just joking, sort of, maybe...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Dotneck on December 11, 2009, 12:45:18 PM
The new details regarding the headstock inlays and backstrip sound like they will dress up this little guitar nicely....


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jumpjibe on December 11, 2009, 12:52:22 PM
In response to a recent query, it is my understanding that Jim H is OK with affixing a bone saddle.  At least, he didn't complain when I made that request at the time of my order.

Another vote here for sticking with the 12/15 order deadline, not that any of us can control production but more because folks aren't going to be hanging out/placing new orders in the last part of Dec.

I, for one, am very pleased over the final specs.  Hoping the sound matches the specs.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on December 11, 2009, 12:58:42 PM
Danny, Jim, Larrivee, everyone, great effort with specs, this will be an amazing guitar.  I still can't afford to join in....

(http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/mad/mad0233.gif) (http://www.mysmiley.net/free-unhappy-smileys.php)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on December 11, 2009, 02:43:37 PM
(http://randyrick.us/guitars/Larrivee1975LS09_back.jpg)

1975 LS09 with backstrip


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 11, 2009, 03:02:08 PM
That looks great on that rosewood back, Randy, but herringbone would look better with the her. rosette and the matching hog top and back. Just sayin' - I know we on't have any control over that detail.  Very sweet specs, no matter what! Like someone said, I don't know how Larrivee can make any money on this thing!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: bluesman67 on December 11, 2009, 03:50:26 PM
Well, well, well.

I know I've been a ghost lately but I login to check out what everyone's been up to and holy smokes, this thing is already 32 pages deep and I'm seeing it for the 1st time!  This is a real nice special guitar, my best wishes to all that are ordering one.
 :guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pg60 on December 11, 2009, 06:48:42 PM
Me too, first I'm seeing this.  I'm in sell mode but this one pushes all my buttons and could not resist...

Called Jim and I'm #15  :nana_guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Cybercanyon on December 11, 2009, 07:11:11 PM
Ok, I really hate all of you for encouraging my GAS addiction.   :roll

I will be #16.  :nana_guitar

My thanks to all who made this possible.  :thumb

Mike


Title: I am crazy
Post by: Frederico on December 11, 2009, 08:15:05 PM
Am I crazy? My wife definitely thinks I am.  My new and first Larrivee just arrived yesterday from Trinity Guitars and I’ve today sent them a deposit check for this Forum IV. 

Waiting for Jim to confirm if I’m #17 (or #18 which is a lucky number according to Asian tradition)  :humour:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: rpm60912 on December 11, 2009, 08:28:59 PM
If you get 21 orders I might need to jump in and snag # 22 to go with FIII #22.  :whistling:  Just joking, sort of, maybe...

If I follow your logic, I should be pretty safe...yet. I'll have to wait until there are 77 orders of FIV to go with my FIII #78.

ricky


Title: Newbie's in. . .
Post by: jpmist on December 11, 2009, 09:20:20 PM
Hey guys.

Been lurking for a few weeks and just stumbled on this. Thanks to the mysterious crack I discovered on my 10 year old Taylor 312 I've been thinking of something I'd like to replace it with. Weary of Taylors overpricing and enrapt with Larrivee's quality the idea of a small mahogany 12 fret I can fingerpick sitting on the couch is too tempting, especially with the unique features the F-IV will have. My thanks to the guys who set this up!

John from Atlanta. . .

'98 Taylor 312-ce
'44 Gibson ES-300
'78 Std Strat
'08 Std Strat
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGpO6PjnWyQYoutube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGpO6PjnWyQYoutube) (be kind. . .)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: ryler on December 11, 2009, 10:43:52 PM
Welcome, John from Atlanta.  What a great way to make an entrance.  I envy you all just a little bit.  I hope it's exquisite.


Title: Re: Newbie's in. . .
Post by: Randy_R on December 11, 2009, 10:50:32 PM
Hey guys.

Been lurking for a few weeks and just stumbled on this. Thanks to the mysterious crack I discovered on my 10 year old Taylor 312 I've been thinking of something I'd like to replace it with. Weary of Taylors overpricing and enrapt with Larrivee's quality the idea of a small mahogany 12 fret I can fingerpick sitting on the couch is too tempting, especially with the unique features the F-IV will have. My thanks to the guys who set this up!

John from Atlanta. . .

'98 Taylor 312-ce
'44 Gibson ES-300
'78 Std Strat
'08 Std Strat
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGpO6PjnWyQYoutube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGpO6PjnWyQYoutube) (be kind. . .)

John, Welcome. I get an error with your link.  The URL contained a malformed video ID.

I think we might have met once upon a time.

Randy from Dahlonega


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 11, 2009, 10:52:49 PM
Hey guys.

Been lurking for a few weeks and just stumbled on this. Thanks to the mysterious crack I discovered on my 10 year old Taylor 312 I've been thinking of something I'd like to replace it with. Weary of Taylors overpricing and enrapt with Larrivee's quality the idea of a small mahogany 12 fret I can fingerpick sitting on the couch is too tempting, especially with the unique features the F-IV will have. My thanks to the guys who set this up!

John from Atlanta. . .

'98 Taylor 312-ce
'44 Gibson ES-300
'78 Std Strat
'08 Std Strat
Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGpO6PjnWyQYoutube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGpO6PjnWyQYoutube) (be kind. . .)
   Yes, welcome indeed. And this is a pretty cool first post.  Just contact Jim at Trinity Guitars to put in a deposit and you'll be on the order list.

            


Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars
800 West Third St
Jamestown, NY 14701
716-665-4490

www.trinityguitars.com



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jbrummer on December 12, 2009, 01:56:37 AM
Dependan,
Thank you for all you've done.  I can't afford to order one of these beauties, but I appreciate your passion for Larrivee and your presence on this forum.  Enjoy your holidays and your amazing new guitar.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 12, 2009, 03:11:10 AM
Dependan,
Thank you for all you've done.  I can't afford to order one of these beauties, but I appreciate your passion for Larrivee and your presence on this forum.  Enjoy your holidays and your amazing new guitar.
  I don't know if you realize it but you just saved me from making a mess of things.
      I really needed some encouragement with the last barrage of negative PM's and posts.

              EVERYONE has an opinion and sometimes they all just add up to muck.
                                        (I do not exclude my own)

                Thanks jbrummer  :donut


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Joby on December 12, 2009, 03:37:33 AM
 I don't know if you realize it but you just saved me from making a mess of things.
      I really needed some encouragement with the last barrage of negative PM's and posts.

              EVERYONE has an opinion and sometimes they all just add up to muck.
                                        (I do not exclude my own)

                Thanks jbrummer  :donut

Hey my man, your doing a great job getting the F-IV off the ground. Just remember..you can't please everyone.

 :donut :donut :coffee :coffee :donut2 :donut2 :coffee


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jpmist on December 12, 2009, 03:46:33 AM
 :donut :coffee :donut2

ryler, Randy_R, & dependan, thanks for the welcome note!

Randy R, that'd be amazing if we did know each other, you do theater?

Sorry about the bum link, live and learn: http://www.youtube.com/jpmist (http://www.youtube.com/jpmist)  Sort of the blind leading the sightless, but it's something fun to do. . . :bgrin:





Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pg60 on December 12, 2009, 05:47:25 AM
Big thanks to Danny and everyone else that made this happen.  I am really excited about this guitar just as it is and feel fortunate to be able to get in on it. 

Thank you Danny!  :thumbsup


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 12, 2009, 06:26:05 AM
Big thanks to Danny and everyone else that made this happen.  I am really excited about this guitar just as it is and feel fortunate to be able to get in on it.  

Thank you Danny!  :thumbsup
        You are welcome. And thanks for making me feel like a human being again, instead of the Ogre of the F-IV   :blush:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 12, 2009, 06:36:26 AM
Big thanks to Danny and everyone else that made this happen.  I am really excited about this guitar just as it is and feel fortunate to be able to get in on it. 

Thank you Danny!  :thumbsup

 :+1:

Danny, you da man!!!  :thumb


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 12, 2009, 01:32:34 PM
:+1:

Danny, you da man!!!  :thumb

Stole the words right outta my mouth!



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on December 12, 2009, 03:36:51 PM
Thanks Danny for taking the bull by the horns.....

I hope your family health issues improve and you've kept your humor thru this (or at least are able to recover it after some holiday cheer).

History: the first forum guitar was debated for a year, with endless polls and pie in the sky wishy washy that would never result in a single guitar being made. Finally Jason (Notable) stepped to the plate and said, I'll get a forum guitar at an affordable price point, and offered an unusual and attractive guitar with 1 option only. A few people were dissapointed that they didn't get their dream guitar pushed thru by the forum guitar process. A few people couldn't raise the cash by the deadline. But overall, it was a success. Ditto on Forum III with Danny and Ricky leading the charge and getting it done, with the help of Jim Holler.

For those for whom the timing isn't right, there's always another day.

 :nice guitar:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: scdreger on December 12, 2009, 07:26:37 PM
Just placed my deposit. I am #19. Can't wait.  :guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on December 12, 2009, 08:41:19 PM
Just placed my deposit. I am #19. Can't wait.  :guitar

Congrats!  :thumb
Now someone has to place an order to get off that prime number. (#19)  :roll


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 13, 2009, 06:24:43 AM
For those for whom the timing isn't right, there's always another day.

 :nice guitar:

 :+1:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: obe-wan on December 13, 2009, 07:20:55 AM
For those for whom the timing isn't right, there's always another day.
 

And theres always the Buy and Sell in the future.  :wink: Not everyone keeps every guitar they buy... :whistling:

Cheers, Scott.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 13, 2009, 11:54:52 AM
                                              


                                                   Here are the Specifications for the Forum IV Guitar

00-03 mahogany top
body length ( without neck ) 19 3/8th
Width upper bout 10 1/8th
width lower bout  14 1/8th
depth at butt end of guitar 4 1/4th
depth at neck end of body  3 3/8th
one piece mahogany neck with ebony headstock overlay , silver border and pearl logo
ebony fingerboard
nut width 1 3/4th
2 3/8th string spacing at bridge
back strip
herringbone rosette
12 fret neck

                                   You must put a 25% deposit down with "Trinity Guitars" to order this one.
                                                                  Contact Jim Holler for the price.


Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars
800 West Third St
Jamestown, NY 14701
716-665-4490
JimHoller@TrinityGuitars.com
www.trinityguitars.com

" What we do in this life will resound throughout eternity"

 

                        The date to get your order in by is December 15th. (Which was a date chosen by consensus)

       I will be traveling myself for the next few days (maybe more). So I will try and check my PM's and e-mails when I can. That may be spotty for me. So please e-mail Jim Holler or request someone to PM you the price on this thread, if that is all you need.
                                

 
                             Mark, Randy, Roger, Ttp and others please help the newbies asking questions.

          My thanks to this Forum for the opportunity to be involved with this cool little Larrivee, thanks to Jim and my apologies to anyone that I have offended with my sometimes rough behavior. I took a few thinks too personally.



                          PLEASE COPY AND PASTE THE SPECS. AND TRINITY INFO. FOR EACH FORUM PAGE NOW
                                                           UNTIL THE 15TH ORDER END DATE
                            (This will help newbies and those who don't want to dig through this long thread)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JohnT on December 13, 2009, 02:59:51 PM
I appreciate the specs update for the time-save of not having to look through 33 pages...

Is that string spacing at the bridge a misprint?  I thought Larrivee standard was 2 3/16".

Spacing of 2 3/8" is extraordinary, especially on a 1 3/4" nut width.

John


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on December 13, 2009, 03:35:15 PM
I appreciate the specs update for the time-save of not having to look through 33 pages...

Is that string spacing at the bridge a misprint?  I thought Larrivee standard was 2 3/16".

Spacing of 2 3/8" is extraordinary, especially on a 1 3/4" nut width.

John

We'll ask Jim Holler to confirm. I just measured my 00-10 and it has 2-3/16" string spacing.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on December 14, 2009, 02:04:09 AM
Notice:

There will be a second order with a deadline of January 15th placed by Jim Holler of Trinity Guitars.

The first order deadline will continue to be December 15th.

This is to accomodate those who are having problems with the finances during the holidays.



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 14, 2009, 02:46:59 AM
Thanks, Randy, AND Jim Holler!

This should make EVERYONE happy - everyone wins!!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 14, 2009, 02:55:53 AM
Notice:

There will be a second order with a deadline of January 15th placed by Jim Holler of Trinity Guitars.

The first order deadline will continue to be December 15th.

This is to accommodate those who are having problems with the finances during the holidays.



Thanks, Randy, AND Jim Holler!

This should make EVERYONE happy - everyone wins!!!
  Ditto  :thumbsup


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 14, 2009, 03:16:06 AM
Thanks, Randy, AND Jim Holler!

This should make EVERYONE happy - everyone wins!!!

The BEST FORUM ON EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 14, 2009, 04:20:28 AM
The BEST FORUM ON EARTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

With the BEST Forum GUITARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: iamjoe on December 14, 2009, 04:44:35 AM
Notice:

There will be a second order with a deadline of January 15th placed by Jim Holler of Trinity Guitars.

The first order deadline will continue to be December 15th.

This is to accomodate those who are having problems with the finances during the holidays.



Merry Xmas to me  :nana_guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on December 14, 2009, 03:08:55 PM
Nice to have a second deadline.  I emailed Jim to say that my order will come in January. 

In the meantime, I'll have to make do with a very smooth LS-03R F-III.   :nice guitar:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Joby on December 14, 2009, 06:29:05 PM
Notice:

There will be a second order with a deadline of January 15th placed by Jim Holler of Trinity Guitars.

The first order deadline will continue to be December 15th.

This is to accomodate those who are having problems with the finances during the holidays.



This is awesome!

I'm happy that they kept the first deadline. Also very happy that they added a second deadline for those that wanted to order after the holidays. Bang on.  :cheers


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 14, 2009, 10:50:25 PM
So, today's the day for some of us then?   :nana_guitar



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jshowyin on December 14, 2009, 10:55:44 PM
If you get 21 orders I might need to jump in and snag # 22 to go with FIII #22.  :whistling:  Just joking, sort of, maybe...

So what number are you guys up to?  :winkin:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jpmist on December 14, 2009, 10:59:46 PM
So what number are you guys up to?  :winkin:

 :donut :coffee :donut2

Three days ago Jim said we were at 17-18, dunno if he counted mine then, but seems we have a few others since. Hoping to snag my lucky number 27 (assuming the label is numbered, dunno)

jpmist


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Joby on December 15, 2009, 12:20:31 AM
So what number are you guys up to?  :winkin:

The last I heard it was up to 19


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on December 15, 2009, 12:42:59 AM
Don't you think that Larrivee will build more than 19 00-03MT guitars, anticipating the second run or a dealer wanting some MT's?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Joby on December 15, 2009, 03:59:11 AM
Don't you think that Larrivee will build more than 19 00-03MT guitars, anticipating the second run or a dealer wanting some MT's?

For sure they will build more than 19 guitars. They were up to 19 on Saturday.  :thumb


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 15, 2009, 08:37:07 PM
                                             


                    Here are the Specifications for the Forum IV Guitar

00-03 mahogany top
body length ( without neck ) 19 3/8th
Width upper bout 10 1/8th
width lower bout  14 1/8th
depth at butt end of guitar 4 1/4th
depth at neck end of body  3 3/8th
one piece mahogany neck with ebony headstock overlay , silver border and pearl logo
ebony fingerboard
nut width 1 3/4th
2 3/8th string spacing at bridge
back strip
herringbone rosette
12 fret neck

           You must put a 25% deposit down with "Trinity Guitars" to order this one.
                                    Contact Jim Holler for the price.


Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars
800 West Third St
Jamestown, NY 14701
716-665-4490
JimHoller@TrinityGuitars.com
www.trinityguitars.com

" What we do in this life will resound throughout eternity"



    




Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: bobsnob on December 15, 2009, 11:50:51 PM
One of the photos of the Forum III in the for sale section shows the label, which says "Forum III".  This got me thinking....

Any idea what's going to be on this guitar's label?  Forum IV, presumably, but anything else?  If it was up to me, I'd put 00-03MT somewhere on the label too.  Perhaps in smaller print. 

What was on the Forum I and II labels?





Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on December 15, 2009, 11:57:19 PM
One of the photos of the Forum III in the for sale section shows the label, which says "Forum III".  This got me thinking....

Any idea what's going to be on this guitar's label?  Forum IV, presumably, but anything else?  If it was up to me, I'd put 00-03MT somewhere on the label too.  Perhaps in smaller print.  

What was on the Forum I and II labels?

Forum I

(http://randyrick.us/guitars/LarriveeForum10Label.jpg)






Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 16, 2009, 03:12:17 AM
Nice picture Randy.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: bobsnob on December 16, 2009, 10:32:13 AM
Thanks Randy.  

The abalone rosette looks particularly nice on mahogany.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: AZLiberty on December 16, 2009, 08:48:00 PM
Thanks Randy.  

The abalone rosette looks particularly nice on mahogany.

I was thinking the exact same thing.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on December 16, 2009, 09:12:35 PM
I was thinking the exact same thing.

Does anyone have an image of the herringbone rosette on the mahogany top?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 16, 2009, 09:32:53 PM
I thought I saw a pic of one in the (very loooooong) Forum III thread...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 16, 2009, 10:05:49 PM
Does anyone have an image of the herringbone rosette on the mahogany top?

One guess who's guitar this is.

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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 17, 2009, 02:33:00 AM
Tuffy's...                 What do I win?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jrdavies on December 17, 2009, 02:41:16 AM

There are some nice pictures of L Fan's 00-50MT which has a herringbone rosette in the thread that spawned the F IV

http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=27209.msg248135#msg248135


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on December 17, 2009, 03:04:50 AM
Beautiful pic!!! :nice guitar: :nice guitar: :nice guitar:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 17, 2009, 03:13:06 AM
                        Sorry that thread did not spawn this F-IV. (I know it for a fact)

Then what was it?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 17, 2009, 03:20:44 AM
There are some nice pictures of L Fan's 00-50MT which has a herringbone rosette in the thread that spawned the F IV

http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=27209.msg248135#msg248135

                           This thread was not the "spawn" of this F-IV.

Then what was it?

              The 00-03 limited run was it. I asked Jim Holler if they would make a 00-03MT for us and he said yes Larrivee would if we had 4 buyers. Randy suggested it be the F-IV after I posted that it would be done by Larrivee.

              So Larrivee "spawned" the F-IV by doing a limited run of 00-03's and Randy suggested to me to approach a dealer to order a MT version, because he knew I wanted one. Which I did. Jim Holler arranged it. I posted it. Randy suggested it be called a F-IV.
              This thread is the result. The other thread that was mentioned was ideas. Of which some were close.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jrdavies on December 17, 2009, 04:40:49 AM

Whoops!  My bad apologies all round  :donut2 :donut  Er, so does anyone know how many were in the first order?  I heard at least 20.




Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pehabe on December 17, 2009, 01:52:04 PM
I've emailed Jim and he said 24...
yes, 24 for the first deadline.
I am exited  :nana_guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on December 17, 2009, 02:41:38 PM
I've emailed Jim and he said 24...
yes, 24 for the first deadline.
I am exited  :nana_guitar

Are you leaving?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on December 17, 2009, 05:50:44 PM
   After he gets his guitar!!!! But, will have to post pics & comments first! :thumb


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pehabe on December 17, 2009, 07:34:39 PM
Are you leaving?

hahaha, my bad... english is not my mother language.
I mean: excited  :wink:

What a different one "c" is.  maybe means "cutaway"?  :whistling:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 18, 2009, 04:54:53 PM
Okay, I'm gonna stir the pot a little here...

I was reading the other thread about the 00-03's, then went to Guitar Adoption's website to take a look at them (very nice!).

BUT I noticed that they come with a deluxe, archtop case! For an 00 series guitar! 

Extras Included in Price:

Larrivee deluxe hard-shell included
Care Booklet / Warranty Card
Truss Rod Wrench


Something tells me Larrivee doesn't have any flat-top cases for this body size/style. I'm just saying we might see some archtop cases with these...  :thumb


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on December 18, 2009, 06:15:52 PM
   Had noticed the same about the cases & commented on it before. Looks like we might get lucky? For an "-03" series? :thumb
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on December 18, 2009, 06:56:47 PM
Has there been a final word on the "string spacing"? I read somewhere on this thread that it was 2 3/8"


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 18, 2009, 07:55:44 PM
Has there been a final word on the "string spacing"? I read somewhere on this thread that it was 2 3/8"

That's what Danny wrote in one response...2 3/8"...lovely!



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 19, 2009, 12:04:42 AM
  That is what was given us from the Larrivee representative "Ricky''.
    But my Missouri common sense has a little question about this, especially since he gave us parlor specs. to start with.   
                        Still I am hoping 2 3/8'' is correct.  :nice guitar:

Here's to hoping!

So I wonder if there will again be a Facebook page for the build?  It was nice to see the Forum III come together like that.   


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 19, 2009, 12:32:51 AM
 That would be great, maybe we could try and contact John Jr. and ask him if he has the time and desire to at least do a weekly update for us.
               A lot may depend on the merging of the two factories, if indeed that rumor is true.

       As you you know Denis, I was ready for this guitar build to "start" about a month ago. Patience is a virtue that I have yet to be accused of possessing.

I hear you Danny!!!  I am happy it's happening at all right now.  VERY excited!!!

What's this merging of the factories you speak of????


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 19, 2009, 01:01:04 AM
Well, things are tough all over and if they need to do that to stay viable then that's what they have to do.  I have no doubt that Larrivee will be around for a while yet.  

Edit:  Sorry Danny...no doubt..


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 19, 2009, 01:04:53 AM
I think they will do fine myself. Sometimes reducing production results in an increase in quality.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 19, 2009, 02:00:24 AM
Because we are in a tough economic climate and someone gets on this forum and states something like this in their very 1st post AND THAT IS CREDIBLE???? hmmmmmmm Rubbish I say


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Joby on December 19, 2009, 02:48:07 AM
  No need to fight about it. Believe what you want to. Time will tell us all anyway.

Beer anyone :beer


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 19, 2009, 02:53:02 AM
Sorry friends didn't realize them there were fightin words?????   :cheers


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 19, 2009, 06:56:56 AM
Because we are in a tough economic climate and someone gets on this forum and states something like this in their very 1st post AND THAT IS CREDIBLE???? hmmmmmmm Rubbish I say

As Danny said, his comments did seem credible, BUT, they have not been verified by anyone from Larrivee, and no other disgruntled employee/s has/have posted the same information here...so we really know nothing 'official' yet. Maybe Larrivee had to cut back on labor (no big surprise in this economy) and some employees heard some discussion about future options for the plant...and maybe Larrivee is waiting to make any final decisions until after NAMM in January 2010. All speculation on my part at this point.



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Strings4Him on December 19, 2009, 12:21:55 PM
I am glad, then, that there are several who are spending money on the Forum IV guitar.  This will help in a small way to keep things going.

I already own a Larrivee P-09 (spruce/rosewood) and an OM-05 MT.  I really look forward to the Forum IV.



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 19, 2009, 04:04:25 PM
As Danny said, his comments did seem credible, BUT, they have not been verified by anyone from Larrivee, and no other disgruntled employee/s has/have posted the same information here...so we really know nothing 'official' yet. Maybe Larrivee had to cut back on labor (no big surprise in this economy) and some employees heard some discussion about future options for the plant...and maybe Larrivee is waiting to make any final decisions until after NAMM in January 2010. All speculation on my part at this point.


Agreed as Danny said time will tell. So long as Larrivee is still makin guitars is really ultimately our final wish. Larrivee  when in Ontario had a very good reputation as an employer never heard anything different since. Thus I am sure they are doing everything within their power to look after their people in this harsh economic climate.  As far as giving credibility to the original poster I wasn't able to acredit any assurances that he legitimately knew anything more than most of us on the forum which for me is absolutely nothing :yawn


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 19, 2009, 04:15:21 PM
                                (Here are the specs. again, so that no one need search for them)


                                                   Specifications for the Forum IV Guitar

00-03 mahogany top
body length ( without neck ) 19 3/8th
Width upper bout 10 1/8th
width lower bout  14 1/8th
depth at butt end of guitar 4 1/4th
depth at neck end of body  3 3/8th
one piece mahogany neck with ebony headstock overlay , silver border and pearl logo
ebony fingerboard
nut width 1 3/4th
2 3/8th string spacing at bridge
back strip
herringbone rosette
12 fret neck

                            You must put a 25% deposit down with "Trinity Guitars" to order this one.
                                                        Contact Jim Holler for the price.


Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars
800 West Third St
Jamestown, NY 14701
716-665-4490
JimHoller@TrinityGuitars.com
www.trinityguitars.com
" What we do in this life will resound throughout eternity"




Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Dotneck on December 19, 2009, 07:12:38 PM
As Danny said, his comments did seem credible, BUT, they have not been verified by anyone from Larrivee,

Comments don't have credibility....people have (or don't have credibility). That credibility is what lends credence to comments. Since I have never heard from that poster before...he had no credibility with me...so I add his comment to a long list of internet rumors until it can be other wise verified...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: noyage on December 21, 2009, 08:41:08 PM
2 3/8th string spacing at bridge

2-3/8"???  Wow!  I figured it would be 2-3/16" and stopped watching the thread.  That's the wider than the LSV-11 no?  Either way, I'm officially re-intrigued...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: ST on December 21, 2009, 09:02:22 PM
I've seen a few posts about String Spacing at the Bridge.



I noticed the the new Forum IV is shown as 2 3/8" (http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=29514.msg275246#msg275246)    == (2 6 /16")

I just measured my LS05 and it is  2 3/16"

I just measured my C38 (Larrivee Classical)  and it is 2 5/16

measured as per this thread "Official" word on Larrivee L-body string spacing (http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=23234.0)

Does this sound right?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 21, 2009, 09:12:29 PM
I've seen a few posts about String Spacing at the Bridge.



I noticed the the new Forum IV is shown as 2 3/8" (http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=29514.msg275246#msg275246)    == (2 6 /16")

I just measured my LS05 and it is  2 3/16"

I just measured my C38 (Larrivee Classical)  and it is 2 5/16

measured as per this thread "Official" word on Larrivee L-body string spacing (http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=23234.0)

Does this sound right?
  Honestly, it does not sound right. But one can always hope.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 21, 2009, 09:30:36 PM
I don't know that I've ever even played a guitar with a wider string spacing like that?  I assume it's even better for fingerstyle this way?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: ryler on December 21, 2009, 10:01:59 PM
Maybe irrelevant to new specs, new model--but my OO-05 measures 2 3/16.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: ST on December 21, 2009, 10:03:45 PM
re: String Spacing at Bridge

I haven't ordered a Forum IV, so I don't know if it is appropriate for me to contact Jim Holler about this.
Maybe one of you official Forum IV customers can confirm this?

It would be a shame if someone bought a Forum IV specifically based on the 2 3/8" spacing and it turns out to be something different.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tadol on December 21, 2009, 10:03:59 PM
This SC-000 I just picked up has 2-3/8" spacing at the bridge, and it is huge - very nice for fingerstyle/bare fingers. But a 1-3/4 nut, to a 2-3/8" bridge - Hmmmm. The LSV-11 only had 2-1/4" at the bridge witrh a 1-13/16 nut, so this would have to be a pretty special (custom!) bridge and neck with all that taper from nut to saddle. I think it's honestly a typo, and would expect it to be 2-3/16, which is spec on all their "normal" guitars, including the Parlor, 00, LS, and OM -

Tad


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on December 21, 2009, 10:05:07 PM
Jim is going to get clarification. If its not 2-3/16 I will be very surprised.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pg60 on December 21, 2009, 10:09:34 PM
I have a guitar with 2 3/8 spacing, it's great for fingerstyle but tough to strum.

It'll be 2 3/16 like just about every other Larrivee.  They aren't going to do custom neck & bridge at this price point.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 21, 2009, 10:15:32 PM
Jim is going to get clarification. If its not 2-3/16 I will be very surprised.
  Me too. But pleasantly.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: rpm60912 on December 21, 2009, 10:24:00 PM
Congrats to all who ordered the FIV.

I would have wished to have jumped in, but for now, I must be satisfied with FIII #78 and my parlor walnut special edition.

Merry Christmas and a good 2010 to all.

ricky


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 21, 2009, 10:28:20 PM
Congrats to all who ordered the FIV.

I would have wished to have jumped in, but for now, I must be satisfied with FIII #78 and my parlor walnut special edition.

Merry Christmas and a good 2010 to all.

ricky
  ricky I was checking out the WIKI site that ST started on the forum guitars and saw a few pics of you and Beth. Check it out , it's a good well of history and forum info in one place.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: ST on December 21, 2009, 10:36:07 PM
Ricky - here is a link to The Larrivee Forum Guitar wiki page (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Forum_Guitars) to which Danny referred above.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: rpm60912 on December 22, 2009, 07:07:47 PM
Ricky - here is a link to The Larrivee Forum Guitar wiki page (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Forum_Guitars) to which Danny referred above.

Thanks ST - this comes really handy.

ricky


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on December 22, 2009, 07:16:39 PM
   One question about the F-IV's. It says medium strings are coming on these. Maybe I'm wrong, got that off Dave's site @ G.A.'s for the spruce topped OO-03's. I know, all Larrivees can handle either lights or mediums, but am assuming that this OO has mediums for increased volume. Jim is going to put a bone nut on mine, so what are some feelings here about this? Was going to send Jim a set of EJ-16's to put on when he did the nut, setting it up for those.
   I don't fingerpick, but flatpick lightly. Can pick a decent rhythm & get away with it sounding good. My SD-50 had mediums, all of my others having EJ-16's. My big, sissy fingers would get torn up from the higher gauge, the reason for my question. Will sound great when finger picked, but my fingers are used to lights. Any help or thoughts? Thanks.
   Didn't mean to get away from the spacing issue. I personally don't have a problem with wider spacing, easier for my fingers. All of us that ordered are trying to do the same thing. Not think too hard about it until they come in? Then the chatter will really pick up!
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 24, 2009, 04:27:07 AM
  Ah wunder if'in mah geetar was ordered awhiles back ur knot :?

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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 24, 2009, 04:30:27 AM
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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 24, 2009, 07:40:46 AM
Here are some specs. from the 00-03 special order.

                                                  Tuning Gears Larrivee Gotoh


                                                  Bridge String Spacing 2 3/16"


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: ST on December 24, 2009, 07:49:26 AM
Here are some specs. from the 00-03 special order.

                                                  Tuning Gears Larrivee Gotoh


                                                  Bridge String Spacing 2 3/16"

Hi Danny,

So this is a correction and update from the previous 2 3/8"?



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 24, 2009, 08:04:16 AM
Hi Danny,

So this is a correction and update from the previous 2 3/8"?


It's just what I saw on the 00-03 ; not our order, but they should be the same.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 24, 2009, 11:12:48 AM
It's just what I saw on the 00-03 ; not our order, but they should be the same.

I was looking at the pics of the 00-03 on the LA Guitar Sales site and I'm not sure but are they made in the US?  It looks like it says made in California on the label?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Sabatini on December 24, 2009, 01:43:41 PM
I was looking at the pics of the 00-03 on the LA Guitar Sales site and I'm not sure but are they made in the US?  It looks like it says made in California on the label?

Yes, Denis, that label says "Made in California" and under that "United States of America."


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 24, 2009, 01:44:49 PM
Yes, Denis, that label says "Made in California" and under that "United States of America."

That's what I thought it said...does this mean the FIV 00-03MT will be made in the US too?  I was under the impression that it was being made in Vancouver.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on December 24, 2009, 02:05:11 PM
That's what I thought it said...does this mean the FIV 00-03MT will be made in the US too?  I was under the impression that it was being made in Vancouver.

The mystery deepens....   

So who is going to the NAMM show in a couple weeks and can get the straight scoop from Jean & Sons?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on December 24, 2009, 02:29:39 PM
The mystery deepens....   

So who is going to the NAMM show in a couple weeks and can get the straight scoop from Jean & Sons?
Good question.
And deepening even further, I search the NAMM directory at the Anaheim Convention Center for:
Gibson: check
Godin: check
Collings: check
Fender: check
Yamaha: check
Larrivee: Search Results: No Results Found. Search Again?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on December 24, 2009, 03:50:29 PM
When we say Larrivee Gotoh which Gotoh model is that? 510 21:1 Contours  :drool:  ???????


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 24, 2009, 04:02:29 PM
When we say Larrivee Gotoh which Gotoh model is that? 510 21:1 Contours  :drool:  ???????

Not exactly...again, based on the pics up at the LA Guitar Sales page, they look like the least expensive Gotohs, the basic enclosed tuners.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on December 24, 2009, 04:17:53 PM
Not exactly...again, based on the pics up at the LA Guitar Sales page, they look like the least expensive Gotohs, the basic enclosed tuners.

Larrivee has been using Pings for a number of years, but recently went to Schallers on the higher end models unless I'm mistaken.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 24, 2009, 04:35:17 PM
Larrivee has been using Pings for a number of years, but recently went to Schallers on the higher end models unless I'm mistaken.

Right but for some reason, the 00-03, at least according the LA Guitar Sales, has Gotohs.  I'd take any Gotohs or Schallers or Grovers...I've never had problems with Pings but if the 00-03MTs get any of the other brands I mentioned instead I will be very happy.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on December 24, 2009, 04:46:48 PM
Right but for some reason, the 00-03, at least according the LA Guitar Sales, has Gotohs.  I'd take any Gotohs or Schallers or Grovers...I've never had problems with Pings but if the 00-03MTs get any of the other brands I mentioned instead I will be very happy.


I see that now on their web page for the 00-03's.

LAguitar sales has been active on this forum recently, lets see if they care to comment...



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on December 24, 2009, 06:45:15 PM
Larrivee has been using Pings for a number of years, but recently went to Schallers on the higher end models unless I'm mistaken.

My RS-4 has Schallers.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 24, 2009, 06:48:00 PM
  My LSV-11e had Schallers as well. So who knows what we will get or where it will be built or when.             
              (It's black hole time, I think)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: morrow22 on December 24, 2009, 06:49:17 PM
My OM-05 had Schallers


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 24, 2009, 11:35:34 PM
   I just saw something that amused me on the UMGF. They are putting together ideas for another UMGF forum guitar.

           Anyway, here is the 6th post

                             "If the LARRIVEE Forum guys can get it done... "

                                      That's the whole post.       :bgrin:      Yup, we can get er done :thumbsup


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on December 25, 2009, 04:16:23 PM
   I just saw something that amused me on the UMGF. They are putting together ideas for another UMGF forum guitar.

           Anyway, here is the 6th post

                              "If the LARRIVEE Forum guys can get it done... "

                                      That's the whole post.       :bgrin:      Yup, we can get er done :thumbsup

Too funny!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 26, 2009, 04:34:26 AM
                        

                                (Here are the specs. again, so that no one need search for them)


                                                   Specifications for the Forum IV Guitar

00-03 mahogany top
body length ( without neck ) 19 3/8th
Width upper bout 10 1/8th
width lower bout  14 1/8th
depth at butt end of guitar 4 1/4th
depth at neck end of body  3 3/8th
one piece mahogany neck with ebony headstock overlay , silver border and pearl logo
ebony fingerboard
nut width 1 3/4th
2 3/8th* string spacing at bridge                                      *we are not sure on this yet
back strip
herringbone rosette
12 fret neck

                            You must put a 25% deposit down with "Trinity Guitars" to order this one.
                                                        Contact Jim Holler for the price.

Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars
800 West Third St
Jamestown, NY 14701
716-665-4490
JimHoller@TrinityGuitars.com
www.trinityguitars.com
" What we do in this life will resound throughout eternity"



                                                (There is a cut off date of January 15th to place an order)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on December 26, 2009, 01:24:29 PM
In case anyone new sees this. There is strong doubt that the string spacing at the bridge will be 2-3/8. 2-3/16" is normal for Larrivee and is what all 00's have measured previously.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: PCT57 on December 26, 2009, 01:47:47 PM
This post is so amusing and regularly brings a smile to my face :smile:

Wish I was getting one of these guitars though :crying:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 26, 2009, 03:18:48 PM
Quote
one piece mahogany neck with ebony headstock overlay , silver border and pearl logo

Don't the limited ed 00-03s have a rosewood overlay?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 27, 2009, 05:36:22 AM
Yeah, I need something different from the LS-03 which is really outstanding...all mahogany in a plain jane 00, I wouldn't ask for more....all though it would seem that my wishes from back in 2005 are coming true....I wished Larrivee would make an LS-03...and now I've got one.  I wished they would make a 00-03...and now they're making one...and an all hog one at that.  I should do all my wishing here!

There won't be a bone saddle for me if I can have it shipped directly from Vancouver like the FIII though Dan...
Denis I just saw this post for the first time (or read it correctly anyway)

       If you don't get a bone saddle from Jim, I will be sure to make you one and send it to you. If I go to Canada and pick up my 00 there I'll mail it then. But it still seems like everything about our little 00 is up in the air. It may be made in Oxnard, if Oxnard still exists in a month.  What a weird supply of information we are receiving on this one.
       It is ''strange days indeed". I think our mothers warned us "there would be days like this." Or was that just some line from an old Beatles song :whistling:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 27, 2009, 01:52:45 PM
Jim contacted me last week and said that due to tax issues, Larrivee would be shipping all the guitars to him so I will be getting the set with bone saddle after all.

I figure all this little inconsistencies, the string spacing, overlay...etc.  will all be settled soon enough.  As long as the guitars get built, that's all I really care about.  As long as they are all mh 00's with a 1 3/4" nut...other than that, it doesn't really matter all that much.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on December 27, 2009, 02:44:55 PM
I received an email from Jim Holler stating that the guitars will have the normal 2-3/16" string spacing at the saddle.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 27, 2009, 05:43:28 PM
I received an email from Jim Holler stating that the guitars will have the normal 2-3/16" string spacing at the saddle.
  Oh well..


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: ST on December 27, 2009, 06:07:00 PM
Thanks Randy,

I have updated the Forum IV wiki page (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Forum_Guitars#Forum_IV) to show the 2-3/16" string spacing at the saddle.

I received an email from Jim Holler stating that the guitars will have the normal 2-3/16" string spacing at the saddle.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 27, 2009, 09:42:32 PM
  I'll update the specs. when we start on the next page in this thread.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 31, 2009, 01:27:42 AM
  Here are some pictures of Ed's 00-03 that he just received. We can be fairly certain this will be the same look as our F-IV. Except of course we will have a mahogany top also.

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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 31, 2009, 04:23:55 PM
 :drool:

Well, I'm pretty excited!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on December 31, 2009, 04:28:51 PM
:drool:

Well, I'm pretty excited!
  Me too, Jim turned in the first order on the 16th for 24 F-IV's. We will have to wait until January 16th to know the total of both orders. Then wait about 12 weeks or so for the build.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on December 31, 2009, 05:04:47 PM
  Me too, Jim turned in the first order on the 16th for 24 F-IV's. We will have to wait until January 16th to know the total of both orders. Then wait about 12 weeks or so for the build.

The another few weeks for Jim to get them, set them up and it's 10 days waiting once it's shipped from Trinity...I guess I can hope it arrives by April 23, my birthday?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on January 04, 2010, 04:44:34 PM
     Just a reminder that orders for the F-IV will end next week.
                                           January 15th.






                                                   Specifications for the Forum IV Guitar

00-03 mahogany top
body length ( without neck ) 19 3/8th
Width upper bout 10 1/8th
width lower bout  14 1/8th
depth at butt end of guitar 4 1/4th
depth at neck end of body  3 3/8th
one piece mahogany neck with ebony headstock overlay , silver border and pearl logo
ebony fingerboard
nut width 1 3/4th
2 3/16th* string spacing at bridge                                      
back strip
herringbone rosette
12 fret neck

                            You must put a 25% deposit down with "Trinity Guitars" to order this one.
                                                        Contact Jim Holler for the price.

Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars
800 West Third St
Jamestown, NY 14701
716-665-4490
JimHoller@TrinityGuitars.com
www.trinityguitars.com
" What we do in this life will resound throughout eternity"


                                                                                        


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on January 04, 2010, 06:06:46 PM
Have you heard how many are in the January order?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on January 04, 2010, 06:43:18 PM
Have you heard how many are in the January order?
  I have not heard anything yet.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on January 04, 2010, 10:15:03 PM
I'm betting nowhere near the 24 (or so?) from the December order...because there hasn't been much chatter here lately.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on January 04, 2010, 10:18:16 PM
I'm betting nowhere near the 24 (or so?) from the December order...because there hasn't been much chatter here lately.

I bet we will be fortunate to get to 30 in total BUT HEY that's 30 really happy Forumites!!!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on January 04, 2010, 10:23:04 PM
I bet we will be fortunate to get to 30 in total BUT HEY that's 30 really happy Forumites!!!!

Yes, VERY happy hopefully!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on January 04, 2010, 10:26:41 PM
   After all the flack, I hope someone orders one in the second deadline order :whistling:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on January 04, 2010, 10:30:47 PM
   After all the flack, I hope someone orders one in the second deadline order :whistling:

I thought of typing that statement................................... then I thought, no, danny will take care of saying it.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on January 04, 2010, 10:45:09 PM
   After all the flack, I hope someone orders one in the second deadline order :whistling:

Folks - Forumites can't say opportunity was not provided to everyone by Danny and Trinity. Certainly cuts out any potential whining in the future by holding open as it was.  :whistling:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on January 04, 2010, 11:00:58 PM
This is a tough one for me to stay out of. I know what a great small guitar the 00's are. But when I'm otherwise selling guitars it makes no sense to buy yet another. So, I strung up my 00-10Bz today with a new set of EXP-12's and played it a little. What a great sounding small guitar it is !!!! I know the mahogany top will be great too, and different enough to justify it, but I can't. I've almost jumped on the 00-60 for sale here too, but have restrained myself.

The people that get this guitar are going to have a big smile on their faces soon.. (soon Danny, soon...  :cheers )



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: eded on January 05, 2010, 12:09:17 AM
I strung up my 00-10Bz today with a new set of EXP-12's and played it a little. What a great sounding small guitar it is !!!! I know the mahogany top will be great too, and different enough to justify it, but I can't.

The people that get this guitar are going to have a big smile on their faces soon.. (soon Danny, soon...  :cheers )

Apologies if what I clipped make those comments lose context.  I don't think it does, but just in case...

5 days into my spruce top 00-03, I'm still in honeymoon mode.  2 things occurred to me today...  I haven't put a capo on it yet, and I'm ready to lose the Cleartones and put a *real* set of strings on (J. Pearse ph. bronze).  It's a different voice than the parlor I love so well but not so different, that it's bad.  What a sweet little box...  and utile.

I agree with Randy...  whoever is on the list for the hog tops, is going to be smiling broad before too long.

Ed


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on January 05, 2010, 03:36:34 AM
It is likely I will call Jim next week to order the F-IV.  Still on the fence but prevailing winds are pushing me that way.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on January 05, 2010, 03:44:48 AM
It is likely I will call Jim next week to order the F-IV.  Still on the fence but prevailing winds are pushing me that way.
 I thought you ordered one two months ago... No wait...let's see when did we start this deal?  Wasn't it last August? :winkin:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on January 05, 2010, 03:46:18 AM
This is a tough one for me to stay out of. I know what a great small guitar the 00's are. But when I'm otherwise selling guitars it makes no sense to buy yet another. So, I strung up my 00-10Bz today with a new set of EXP-12's and played it a little. What a great sounding small guitar it is !!!! I know the mahogany top will be great too, and different enough to justify it, but I can't. I've almost jumped on the 00-60 for sale here too, but have restrained myself.

The people that get this guitar are going to have a big smile on their faces soon.. (soon Danny, soon...  :cheers )


  Randy we wouldn't make it without you. :beer


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on January 05, 2010, 04:45:15 AM
 I thought you ordered one two months ago... No wait...let's see when did we start this deal?  Wasn't it last August? :winkin:

It just seems like that long ago...tick, tock, tick, tock...  :wacko:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Trinity Guitars on January 05, 2010, 12:04:31 PM
Hi, There are 23 guitars on order from the first wave. This order was placed 12/16/09. I have the order conformation from Larrivee so the ball is rolling. John has been asked to do the face book photos again. lets hope he gets time. That was fun last time around. The clues that lead us to photos of out guitars were great!.
  There are two people on the list for the first group that have asked to back out for what ever reason. I am looking for two to commit to these two guitars. That are ordered and will be part of the first wave. The numbers are #21 and #22. Let ma know if you would like to hope on one of these.
Jim Holler


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: ST on January 05, 2010, 01:33:10 PM
Hi Jim,

Thanks for the update.  I have reflected this (23) and the info that there are two available in the Forum IV wiki page (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Forum_Guitars#Forum_IV).



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on January 06, 2010, 07:53:47 AM
      Just a reminder that orders for the F-IV will end next week.
                                           January 15th.






                                                   Specifications for the Forum IV Guitar

00-03 mahogany top
body length ( without neck ) 19 3/8th
Width upper bout 10 1/8th
width lower bout  14 1/8th
depth at butt end of guitar 4 1/4th
depth at neck end of body  3 3/8th
one piece mahogany neck with ebony headstock overlay , silver border and pearl logo
ebony fingerboard
nut width 1 3/4th
2 3/16th* string spacing at bridge                                     
back strip
herringbone rosette
12 fret neck

                            You must put a 25% deposit down with "Trinity Guitars" to order this one.
                                                        Contact Jim Holler for the price.

Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars
800 West Third St
Jamestown, NY 14701
716-665-4490
JimHoller@TrinityGuitars.com
www.trinityguitars.com
" What we do in this life will resound throughout eternity"



                                                               not long now....


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on January 08, 2010, 10:11:57 PM
                                                  One more week to order this one.


 Here is the link to a new thread regarding a 00-50MT. There is a video link there and you can see and hear a 00 mahogany top Larrivee.
                                   http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=30276.msg278400#msg278400



This is the direct link to the video.   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1qjM16bpgw


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Trinity Guitars on January 08, 2010, 11:13:47 PM
Number 21 and 22 are spoken for now.
Jim Holler


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on January 09, 2010, 12:10:40 AM
   Dan, click your heels 3 times & say: "Dreams do come true"! You've had good luck getting these Forum guitars off the groung for all, so your time will come. Keep dreaming & good luck! :thumb
   Dan, without you, some of our dreams wouldn't have come true. We should all be thankful to you for your great ideas, along with others, to make dream guitars reality. :bowdown:
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pg60 on January 09, 2010, 05:14:14 PM
Hi everyone,

I got in on the first order.  I'm surprised this hasn't come up yet so let me be the first to whine "are we there yet?"  :laughin:

Seriously, is there a rough ETA for when we can hope to be playing these?

 :nana_guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on January 09, 2010, 05:24:15 PM
  End of March or so.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Trinity Guitars on January 09, 2010, 06:07:08 PM
Hi everyone,

I got in on the first order.  I'm surprised this hasn't come up yet so let me be the first to whine "are we there yet?"  :laughin:

Seriously, is there a rough ETA for when we can hope to be playing these?

 :nana_guitar

  Thanks I needed that!!!    No one has asked yet but there will be more many more.  :humour:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on January 09, 2010, 08:41:40 PM
Has it been confirmed which Tuners this Git will come stocked with?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on January 09, 2010, 08:47:17 PM
Hi everyone,

I got in on the first order.  I'm surprised this hasn't come up yet so let me be the first to whine "are we there yet?"  :laughin:

Seriously, is there a rough ETA for when we can hope to be playing these?

 :nana_guitar
 Thanks I needed that!!!    No one has asked yet but there will be more many more.  :humour:
What? You didn't receive yours yet?
What's your tracking number?
What do you mean Jim didn't give you a tracking number?
 :humour:
(Sorry Jim. I couldn't resist.)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Trinity Guitars on January 09, 2010, 10:48:43 PM
What? You didn't receive yours yet?
What's your tracking number?
What do you mean Jim didn't give you a tracking number?
 :humour:
(Sorry Jim. I couldn't resist.)
  I can take it. Ask away.  After all there is ONLY 23 of you so far this time. Last time it was 78. This time there is one guitar not 24 different ones. No calls about changes  Thank God! Plus you will all get the chance to meet Kathy. She is great. We have worked together for about 15 years and now she is part of the Trinity Guitars team. She is doing all the book work, accounting, some ordering, shipping and so on. She even sold a guitar the other day while I was out buying wood to build guitars with. I could not be more lucky and thankfull to have her helping me out.
 Jim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: TimButterfield on January 09, 2010, 10:49:08 PM
Folks - Forumites can't say opportunity was not provided to everyone by Danny and Trinity. Certainly cuts out any potential whining in the future by holding open as it was.  :whistling:
Of course we can say that.  After all, there was not a broadcast email for this one.  At least, I do not remember receiving one.  I would guess that the vast majority of forumites do not know about the F-IV.  I found out about the F-IV and the 12/15 deadline, but not early enough to budget for it.  So, I didn't and then didn't visit again for a while.  Just now, today, I found out about the 1/15 deadline, again without sufficient time to begin budgeting for it.  Oh, well.  I'm not bitter about it, but I wanted to note that having sufficient notice matters to some folks for some larger budget items.  Maybe I'll happen upon the forum again in time to hear about the next one.

Tim


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pg60 on January 09, 2010, 11:05:49 PM
  End of March or so.

Thanks Danny!  That's earlier than I'd hoped for  :smile:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on January 09, 2010, 11:27:25 PM
Of course we can say that.  After all, there was not a broadcast email for this one.  At least, I do not remember receiving one.  I would guess that the vast majority of forumites do not know about the F-IV.  I found out about the F-IV and the 12/15 deadline, but not early enough to budget for it.  So, I didn't and then didn't visit again for a while.  Just now, today, I found out about the 1/15 deadline, again without sufficient time to begin budgeting for it.  Oh, well.  I'm not bitter about it, but I wanted to note that having sufficient notice matters to some folks for some larger budget items.  Maybe I'll happen upon the forum again in time to hear about the next one.

Tim
Randy has stuck this thread at the top of Larrivee Guitars and we gave updates as much as possible.
              In another thread some members are being critical of the forum due to receiving e-mails from a scammer. So I don't know what to say except you can't please everyone. Someone will always say "sour grapes".


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on January 09, 2010, 11:31:40 PM
Danny,

I agree. I am just surprised of the level of drama that continues. This may upset others, but people need to get over it and move on.

Again, thank you Danny and Jim H. for all your hard work...

 :cheers :cheers :cheers

-James



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on January 09, 2010, 11:32:39 PM
   Just a reminder that orders for the F-IV will end next week.
                                           January 15th






                                                   Specifications for the Forum IV Guitar

00-03 mahogany top
body length ( without neck ) 19 3/8th
Width upper bout 10 1/8th
width lower bout  14 1/8th
depth at butt end of guitar 4 1/4th
depth at neck end of body  3 3/8th
one piece mahogany neck with ebony headstock overlay , silver border and pearl logo
ebony fingerboard
nut width 1 3/4th
2 3/16th* string spacing at bridge                                    
back strip
herringbone rosette
12 fret neck

                            You must put a 25% deposit down with "Trinity Guitars" to order this one.
                                                        Contact Jim Holler for the price.

Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars
800 West Third St
Jamestown, NY 14701
716-665-4490
JimHoller@TrinityGuitars.com
www.trinityguitars.com
" What we do in this life will resound throughout eternity"



                                                               not long now....


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on January 09, 2010, 11:53:03 PM
Of course we can say that.  After all, there was not a broadcast email for this one.  At least, I do not remember receiving one.  I would guess that the vast majority of forumites do not know about the F-IV.  I found out about the F-IV and the 12/15 deadline, but not early enough to budget for it.  So, I didn't and then didn't visit again for a while.  Just now, today, I found out about the 1/15 deadline, again without sufficient time to begin budgeting for it.  Oh, well.  I'm not bitter about it, but I wanted to note that having sufficient notice matters to some folks for some larger budget items.  Maybe I'll happen upon the forum again in time to hear about the next one.Tim

Ya snooze, ya lose!   Seriously, when I asked about a bulk email to forum members, it was said that after the F-III a decision was made by the moderator(s) (I think) to not do such an email.

But perhaps you CAN budget for it.  25% now to Jim and the rest in late April (maybe).  With the cost less than the F-III it might be do-able.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: TimButterfield on January 10, 2010, 12:19:16 AM
Randy has stuck this thread at the top of Larrivee Guitars and we gave updates as much as possible.
              In another thread some members are being critical of the forum due to receiving e-mails from a scammer. So I don't know what to say except you can't please everyone. Someone will always say "sour grapes".
The issue for me, and probably the vast majority of forum members, is that we cannot get to the forum regularly enough to keep current.  Life keeps me busy and I get here when I can, just not often enough.  Too many interests and not enough time for everything.  I'm not complaining, just wishing, wishing I were better informed.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: TimButterfield on January 10, 2010, 12:30:25 AM
But perhaps you CAN budget for it.  25% now to Jim and the rest in late April (maybe).  With the cost less than the F-III it might be do-able.
It's tempting and I thought about it, but would have to put the down payment on credit and hope I could pay it soon and still collect enough for the remainder later.  It's a risk I'm a bit leery of taking for what is, for me, a luxury item.  Better to keep the emergency fund where it is; might need some of that for taxes.  I should just start collecting now for the next one and hope I like whatever it turns out to be.  The 00 would be a nice addition, but so would an L.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on January 10, 2010, 01:18:27 AM
Of course we can say that.  After all, there was not a broadcast email for this one.  At least, I do not remember receiving one.  I would guess that the vast majority of forumites do not know about the F-IV.  I found out about the F-IV and the 12/15 deadline, but not early enough to budget for it.  So, I didn't and then didn't visit again for a while.  Just now, today, I found out about the 1/15 deadline, again without sufficient time to begin budgeting for it.  Oh, well.  I'm not bitter about it, but I wanted to note that having sufficient notice matters to some folks for some larger budget items.  Maybe I'll happen upon the forum again in time to hear about the next one.

Tim


Tim it's too bad that you missed out on this opportunity tho it may appear your expectations of notification are somewhat unreasonable and checking the forum only once a month is nobody's fault of being uninformed BUT your own. I hope you will be in a position for the next one of which rumblings are starting already.
 :cheers


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on January 10, 2010, 03:12:43 AM
Well, I`ve got a hankering to play a hogtop again.  I can`t wait for this guitar.  My FIII makes me weak in the knees every time I pick it up and having a small hogtop 12 fret guitar will further keep the GAS at bay.  Although, I`m always thinking about how nice it would be to have a 12 string again!



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on January 10, 2010, 04:09:07 AM

Tim it's too bad that you missed out on this opportunity tho it may appear your expectations of notification are somewhat unreasonable and checking the forum only once a month is nobody's fault of being uninformed BUT your own. I hope you will be in a position for the next one of which rumblings are starting already.
 :cheers

Caution, though; there is talk about the next one being more upscale, with much more bling, and a price that reflects that ... so this is your chance to get in on a great guitar at a great price, if you can swing it.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: AZLiberty on January 10, 2010, 05:14:00 AM
Caution, though; there is talk about the next one being more upscale, with much more bling, and a price that reflects that ... so this is your chance to get in on a great guitar at a great price, if you can swing it.

We already decided it would be Cedar/Walnut L-body with a mosaic rosette.   :bgrin:  Personally I would prefer Abalone, but I'll take what I can get with that wood combination.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tuffythepug on January 10, 2010, 07:56:44 AM
We already decided it would be Cedar/Walnut L-body with a mosaic rosette.   :bgrin:  Personally I would prefer Abalone, but I'll take what I can get with that wood combination.

Ok then.   I'm starting the rumor right here and now that the Forum VI will be a special edition of an RS-4 electric with a Koa top over mahogany.   (With 6 dots  on the 12th fret of course..    :whistling:  a little inside joke)
Pass the word.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Stephen Basil on January 10, 2010, 12:52:16 PM
Ok then.   I'm starting the rumor right here and now that the Forum VI will be a special edition of an RS-4 electric with a Koa top over mahogany.   (With 6 dots  on the 12th fret of course..    :whistling:  a little inside joke)
Pass the word.

The Cedar/Walnut Forum guitar may have to be made by Morgan Guitars... and we may as a result have to change the forum name to "Larrivée and Extended Family Guitar Forum"! :humour:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on January 10, 2010, 03:37:36 PM
An RS 4 Forum Guitar - sign me up now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on January 10, 2010, 04:00:56 PM
re: the last dozen or so posts speculating on a future forum guitar...

This is about how the attempts at conscensus went for over a year when we did the first forum guitar. Then Jason (Notable) jumped in and said this is what you'll get, and a large number of people were happy and it got done..   :laughin:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on January 10, 2010, 04:10:21 PM
AZLiberty,

Count me in on the next forum guitar, sounds great!

-James

 :nice guitar: :nice guitar: :nice guitar:



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: larwill on January 10, 2010, 06:14:57 PM
Sorry if I missed it but what is the price?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on January 10, 2010, 06:16:17 PM
Sorry if I missed it but what is the price?

I'll PM you. commercial prices can't be listed on the forum.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: AZLiberty on January 10, 2010, 10:56:49 PM
re: the last dozen or so posts speculating on a future forum guitar...

This is about how the attempts at conscensus went for over a year when we did the first forum guitar. Then Jason (Notable) jumped in and said this is what you'll get, and a large number of people were happy and it got done..   :laughin:

I wasn't speculating so much as working on the "if I keep saying it it will happen theory" :bgrin:

We had around dozen folks in the special edition thread in agreement:
Cedar/Walnut
L-body
Mosaic Rosette
Clean Fretboard like the F-III, with the Roman numeral V inlaid (we hadn't agreed on whether it should be inlaid at the 12th, 14th, or 5th fret)
We also had not picked binding, but I think Maple would go well.

The only concern was Jean has a well known bias against Cedar, in spite of the fact that I have played a number of cedar topped Larrivees over the years, including a Cedar/Walnut combo.  Personally, in this economy, I don't see why they would turn down an order for what ought to be around 20+ guitars.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on January 11, 2010, 12:33:10 AM
AZLiberty,

What about adding a slothead and pyramid bridge since we are dreaming.

-James

P.S If it becomes a reality, definitely count me in...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on January 11, 2010, 12:37:56 AM
AZLiberty,

What about adding a slothead and pyramid bridge since we are dreaming.

-James

P.S If it becomes a reality, definitely count me in...
  James you may be just the man to make these dreams a reality. But Jim H. needs a break. So another dealer will need to be solicited.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on January 11, 2010, 12:41:43 AM
Danny,

I can actually talk to my local dealer. I think he might be interested. We could actually aim for a July 4th deadline to give everyone a chance to get in and budget. With prior deadlines for specs. Danny, you got me thinking :whistling: :drool: :bgrin:

-James



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on January 11, 2010, 12:44:43 AM
Danny,

I can actually talk to my local dealer. I think he might be interested. We could actually aim for a July 4th deadline to give everyone a chance to get in and budget. With prior deadlines for specs. Danny, you got me thinking :whistling: :drool: :bgrin:

-James


  Go for it. Start another thread and I'll support you with donuts. :donut :donut2  But I may be needing a break myself. :winkin:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on January 11, 2010, 12:47:26 AM
I wouldn't mind being the lead, but have to do some research with my local dealer.

I am getting excited, and will need the donuts, and possibly a whack in the head as I see how frantic this can get...

-James



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on January 11, 2010, 12:58:46 AM
I so stringly doubt a cedar/walnut L would come true, but I am in if it happens. 

I also STRONGLY suggest you talk to Jason at Notable on this one.  If he is willing to take it on, I think he deserves to handle the next forum order.  We will not be disappointed with price and service.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on January 11, 2010, 01:07:12 AM
I so stringly doubt a cedar/walnut L would come true, but I am in if it happens.  

I also STRONGLY suggest you talk to Jason at Notable on this one.  If he is willing to take it on, I think he deserves to handle the next forum order.  We will not be disappointed with price and service.
 
     This is good advice and it's always better for two to handle the forum end (kind of a good cop bad cop thing) So LawDog and James y'all may be a great team. :+1:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: AZLiberty on January 11, 2010, 04:39:06 AM
I so stringly doubt a cedar/walnut L would come true, but I am in if it happens. 


I think getting the orders would not be too much of a problem, especially as the general consensus was to wait until the F-IV had cleared production.  Why does everyone think it would be so hard to talk Larrivee into it since they have done Cedar/Walnut guitars in the past ( albeit in small numbers).


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on January 11, 2010, 11:32:49 AM
I guess it's probably the reluctance to use cedar at Larrivee.  I've seen a few cedar top Larrivees here on the forum but not many..Jean doesn't seem to like using it on his guitars.  I've heard he sells a lot of it though. 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on January 11, 2010, 01:09:48 PM
                    Orders for the F-IV will end THIS week.
                                      
                                   January 15th






                                                   Specifications for the Forum IV Guitar

00-03 mahogany top
body length ( without neck ) 19 3/8th
Width upper bout 10 1/8th
width lower bout  14 1/8th
depth at butt end of guitar 4 1/4th
depth at neck end of body  3 3/8th
one piece mahogany neck with ebony headstock overlay , silver border and pearl logo
ebony fingerboard
nut width 1 3/4th
2 3/16th* string spacing at bridge                                    
back strip
herringbone rosette
12 fret neck

                            You must put a 25% deposit down with "Trinity Guitars" to order this one.
                                                        Contact Jim Holler for the price.

Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars
800 West Third St
Jamestown, NY 14701
716-665-4490
JimHoller@TrinityGuitars.com
www.trinityguitars.com
" What we do in this life will resound throughout eternity"



                                                               (Only a few days left)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Stephen Basil on January 11, 2010, 01:20:22 PM
Here's the cedar/rosette look (taken from Randy's website: http://randyrick.us/guitars/ebin/ebin.htm) that would be great for the F V! 

In doing a little online research, the cedar topped Larries appear to be very well loved by their owners.  I know that Jean has said that sitka is the superior tonewood and that he no longer uses cedar.   But of course forum members are by and large multiple Larrivee owners, and a model that hearkens back to the 70's (and nineties when Larrivee was doing the cedar/walnut combo) I think would be very well received by those of us who already have sitka Larries.  From my understanding, the Forum guitars also seek extend the range of offerings, so why not a model that is imbued with nostalgia?

I really want this to happen!

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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on January 11, 2010, 04:04:56 PM
LawDog or Stephen Basil,

PM me if you are interested in working with me on this F-V. We can set a timeline, and move from there. I am going to contact Jason at notable guitars.

-James



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Dotneck on January 11, 2010, 06:15:43 PM
I didn't even see any discussion on a walnut and cedar guitar. Who made this decision?

Not sure it really matters....I'd be surprised if Larrivee will do a cedar topped guitar anymore....

Good luck.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on January 11, 2010, 06:42:52 PM
Dotneck,

We are just wishing out loud right now.

-James



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on January 11, 2010, 07:04:41 PM
Dotneck,

We are just wishing out loud right now.

-James



I'd love to start seeing more cedar tops on Larrivees.  I really think a 12 fret mahogany LS with a cedar top would be nice.  I hope you guys get this Forum V thing going...cedar and walnut, very nice combination!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Bltprf502 on January 11, 2010, 07:52:57 PM
                   Orders for the F-IV will end THIS week.
                                      
                                   January 15th






                                                   Specifications for the Forum IV Guitar

00-03 mahogany top
body length ( without neck ) 19 3/8th
Width upper bout 10 1/8th
width lower bout  14 1/8th
depth at butt end of guitar 4 1/4th
depth at neck end of body  3 3/8th
one piece mahogany neck with ebony headstock overlay , silver border and pearl logo
ebony fingerboard
nut width 1 3/4th
2 3/16th* string spacing at bridge                                    
back strip
herringbone rosette
12 fret neck

                            You must put a 25% deposit down with "Trinity Guitars" to order this one.
                                                        Contact Jim Holler for the price.

Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars
800 West Third St
Jamestown, NY 14701
716-665-4490
JimHoller@TrinityGuitars.com
www.trinityguitars.com
" What we do in this life will resound throughout eternity"



                                                               (Only a few days left)

Ok,  I eft weeks ago with my tail tucked because they weren't extending the order date on the Forum IV... Now I see this post.  What happened?  Still avail?

Danny, I also see you have reached over 5500 posts.  Wow!  Being I started here before you that is quote an accoplishement.  

So, What have I missed?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on January 11, 2010, 09:13:16 PM
Ok,  I eft weeks ago with my tail tucked because they weren't extending the order date on the Forum IV... Now I see this post.  What happened?  Still avail?

Danny, I also see you have reached over 5500 posts.  Wow!  Being I started here before you that is quote an accoplishement.  

So, What have I missed?

  Jim Holler made a second order date available. The first order of 23 went in on December 16th and this order is due to close on Friday. I have now Idea how many, or even if anymore have been ordered.
              But the door is still open. :donut


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Bltprf502 on January 11, 2010, 09:25:43 PM
Roger that... Somehting to think about.

Looks Like Denis and Blue in VT have been here, but here is a Hogtop 00-05 with slot head to peak some interest.  If this link has been posted, my appoligies as I have been away for a month and did not reasearch to see if it had been posted.  I have heard this guy play some other stuff on a Cruz.  He plays well especially for a kid.  Nice liitle tune!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1qjM16bpgw&feature=channel


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on January 11, 2010, 09:37:57 PM
Hi, There are 23 guitars on order from the first wave. This order was placed 12/16/09. I have the order conformation from Larrivee so the ball is rolling. John has been asked to do the face book photos again. lets hope he gets time. That was fun last time around. The clues that lead us to photos of out guitars were great!.
  There are two people on the list for the first group that have asked to back out for what ever reason. I am looking for two to commit to these two guitars. That are ordered and will be part of the first wave. The numbers are #21 and #22. Let ma know if you would like to hope on one of these.
Jim Holler



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on January 11, 2010, 11:07:08 PM
  Thanks Roger I corrected my date also. I think Jim said 21 and 22 were spoken for now. I'll see if I can find that post.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on January 11, 2010, 11:10:36 PM
Number 21 and 22 are spoken for now.
Jim Holler
Yup


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on January 12, 2010, 12:05:13 AM
Ok then.   I'm starting the rumor right here and now that the Forum VI will be a special edition of an RS-4 electric with a Koa top over mahogany.   (With 6 dots  on the 12th fret of course..    :whistling:  a little inside joke)
Pass the word.

Lynn, you're way too funny!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on January 12, 2010, 12:09:10 AM
Still got to admit to be tempted by this as I know at least the next forum guitar is gonna be too big for me. However, I would have to sell my IS/M FIII in order to even put down the down payment. I'm really not sure I'm willing to do that.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on January 12, 2010, 02:50:00 AM
Still got to admit to be tempted by this as I know at least the next forum guitar is gonna be too big for me. However, I would have to sell my IS/M FIII in order to even put down the down payment. I'm really not sure I'm willing to do that.

Don't do it.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on January 12, 2010, 03:03:24 AM
Bird in hand............


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on January 12, 2010, 02:59:48 PM
                             (I am posting this on each new page this last week of ordering)  

             Orders for the F-IV will end THIS week.
                                      
                                   January 15th






                                                  Specifications for the Forum IV Guitar

00-03 mahogany top
body length ( without neck ) 19 3/8th
Width upper bout 10 1/8th
width lower bout  14 1/8th
depth at butt end of guitar 4 1/4th
depth at neck end of body  3 3/8th
one piece mahogany neck with ebony headstock overlay , silver border and pearl logo
ebony fingerboard
nut width 1 3/4th
2 3/16th* string spacing at bridge                                    
back strip
herringbone rosette
12 fret neck

                            You must put a 25% deposit down with "Trinity Guitars" to order this one.
                                                        Contact Jim Holler for the price.

Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars
800 West Third St
Jamestown, NY 14701
716-665-4490
JimHoller@TrinityGuitars.com
www.trinityguitars.com
" What we do in this life will resound throughout eternity"



                                                               (Only a few days


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Blue in VT on January 12, 2010, 03:15:11 PM
Time for a new thread on the F-V effort....this is a F-iv thread right?

Blue


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on January 12, 2010, 03:15:48 PM
Well, I'm not a big fan of walnut on acoustics, or cedar tops, so I'll probably be able to avoid gassing for this one.  But here's a "bling" suggestion: have the body binding and endpin wedge done in flamed koa, to set it off a little more. Just a suggestion...it really looks good on this one:

http://www.12fret.com/new/Larrivee_Limited_Edition_L-03R-TF_LV-03R-TF_pg.html

 :thumb

And if Forum VI isn't an RS-4 (please, let's decide soon, cuz I'll need to save up for a while if we do this one!), then I'd suggest something similar to the JCL 40th Anniversary model, for those of us who missed out on those (and were any of them made in lefty?). I've definintely got gas for something more "traditional with a twist" like one of those.  And maybe there could be a couple options available: I know some folks like abalone rosettes - you can have 'em! Give me the traditional Larrivee rosette anyday!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on January 12, 2010, 03:39:50 PM
OK, OK...when do they start building the FIV?????   Are there pictures yet?  A Facebook page???

 :humour:

Sorry guys, impatient!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on January 12, 2010, 05:04:55 PM
OK, OK...when do they start building the FIV?????   Are there pictures yet?  A Facebook page???

 :humour:

Sorry guys, impatient!

I agree...we're getting ahead of ourselves here...at least, those of us who have a dog in this "F-IV" hunt are getting impatient for the build to begin (and pics, etc, to appear)!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Stephen Basil on January 12, 2010, 05:12:39 PM
I'm thinking that the F V as it's currently imagined will be a bit of a hard sell to get into production... It'll take the clout and enthusiasm of a D. Wren to bring it about!  I'm also facing a pretty dire financial situation (have finished graduate school but have no current contract) that means it will be a while before I can pony up for this "vintage" L.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on January 12, 2010, 08:09:00 PM
FYI folks, the FIIIs were not started until the beginning of February. :wacko:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pehabe on January 15, 2010, 03:01:22 PM
Friday, Jan 15, 2010 16:00 (Germans Time)

 :guitar

And now, the end is near;
And so I face the final curtain....
(Frank Sinatra, My Way)

 :guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on January 15, 2010, 03:05:09 PM
Friday, Jan 15, 2010 16:00 (Germans Time)

 :guitar

And now, the end is near;
And so I face the final curtain....
(Frank Sinatra, My Way)

 :guitar

Yup...it's that time folks....

On another note, I sent Larrivee an email yesterday asking about whether there would be a Facebook page documenting the build like they did for the FIII.  I'm waiting for an answer...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on January 15, 2010, 03:10:41 PM
FV- I thought that was mandolin. Well, hey, we know JCL can do that.
OK, that's settled.
next...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Stephen Basil on January 15, 2010, 04:49:32 PM
FV- I thought that was mandolin. Well, hey, we know JCL can do that.
OK, that's settled.
next...

But will it have a cedar top?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: dkoloff on January 15, 2010, 06:19:16 PM
Joined in on the Forum IV this morning..........is it ready yet? :humour:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on January 15, 2010, 06:21:30 PM
Just for the record, I emailed Jim H today to order the F-IV.  Hog-top heaven a'coming!

Anyone else?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on January 15, 2010, 06:32:02 PM


Anyone else?

No, thank goodness I only have one more day to wait till this agony is over.  :winkin:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Blue in VT on January 15, 2010, 06:48:53 PM
No, thank goodness I only have one more day to wait till this agony is over.  :winkin:

No kidding right...looking at the 00-03 pics and reviews is painful enough!

Good to see a few people squeaking in under the wire.

Blue


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on January 15, 2010, 06:51:56 PM
Joined in on the Forum IV this morning..........is it ready yet? :humour:
Big Brown Truck should be at your back door  just about... now.  :humour:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frasier1 on January 15, 2010, 09:39:29 PM
Just ordered #28 at 4:30pm EST.   

 :donut :donut2 :donut :donut2 :donut :donut2 :coffee


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on January 15, 2010, 10:41:55 PM
Just ordered #28 at 4:30pm EST.   

 :donut :donut2 :donut :donut2 :donut :donut2 :coffee

Congrats!  :thumb
Is that #28 just for the Jan. 15th deadline or #28 overall which would include the Dec. 15th deadline?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on January 15, 2010, 11:33:34 PM
Probably overall #28


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on January 16, 2010, 12:03:19 AM
I managed to restrain my enthusiasm for this guitar. Luckily today was a beautiful day and I rolled out my motorcycle for the first ride of 2010. That helped me direct my thoughts to other things.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on January 16, 2010, 04:32:07 PM
Congrats!  :thumb
Is that #28 just for the Jan. 15th deadline or #28 overall which would include the Dec. 15th deadline?
28 overall which would include the Dec. 15th deadline. But I believe there are a few more. Jim will post the final numbers soon.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on January 16, 2010, 08:08:00 PM
Okay, it is official.  Jim took my deposit a few minutes ago.  The wait begins. 

Patience...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on January 16, 2010, 09:04:29 PM
Okay, it is official.  Jim took my deposit a few minutes ago.  The wait begins. 

Patience...

Congrats, the temptation was just too much afterall.  :cheers


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on January 16, 2010, 09:36:55 PM
Welcome aboard, Professor!

(Jim gave you some grace...isn't today the 16th?  :whistling: )


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on January 16, 2010, 10:13:33 PM
The force is strong Professor :welcome:

-James



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on January 16, 2010, 10:47:53 PM
ALL ABOARDDD !!!!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on January 17, 2010, 01:07:33 AM
Welcome aboard, Professor!

(Jim gave you some grace...isn't today the 16th?  :whistling: )

I emailed yesterday but couldn't call to make the CC payment for the deposit.  I've bought four guitars from Jim. 

The F-IV will make it five.  I think he trusts me by now.   :wink:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on January 17, 2010, 02:17:40 AM
Welcome aboard, Professor!

(Jim gave you some grace...isn't today the 16th?  :whistling: )
                    "Grace" is  something Jim Holler just passes on to us. "Trinity"  guitars did not get that name by accident.
                                               
                             Thanks Jim, I know I could have been the biggest problem you had in this deal.

                                                                                 Little bro.   Danny


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on January 17, 2010, 12:55:00 PM
                    "Grace" is  something Jim Holler just passes on to us. "Trinity"  guitars did not get that name by accident.

I understand ... completely.  :wink:

(Ephesians 2:8-9)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on January 17, 2010, 09:04:11 PM
Congratulations everyone. Try not to think about it too much, or it will drive you over the edge. :roll


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on January 17, 2010, 11:17:54 PM
Congratulations everyone. Try not to think about it too much, or it will drive you over the edge. :roll

Well, it's not like I'm sick of my FIII yet but yeah, I can't wait to have a 00 again..... :drool: Larrivee MT to boot!  There aren't many of those out there.  I would guess there isn't more than a handful of OO-50MTs out there? 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: kwakatak on January 18, 2010, 03:40:59 AM
OT: F-V specs

A cedar/walnut L? Really? Wow. I'd like to see that happen, but I don't think I'd be able to get in on it.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frederico on January 19, 2010, 08:40:48 PM
So, do we have a final tally?

How many have been ordered for the 1st and then 2nd round?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pehabe on January 22, 2010, 07:23:29 AM
 :rolleye:

hmmmm... 1 Week has already past since the second deadline.
But still no more information regarding Forum-IV.

 :whistling:

cheers,
Peter


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on January 22, 2010, 07:58:34 AM
Patience is hard to find in these circumstances, but worth it.  I recall being dismayed when I saw the first pictures of the F-III build, several weeks after the order, and they were joining and cutting out backs and tops.  However, the builds were very quick from that point.

I seem to recall with the forum III, and some may correct me here, that because of subtle differences in design and size (which the F-IV also has due to scale length etc.) there needs to be an element of redesign, including the CAD work on the template for the bridge layout, and associated bracing pattern.

If you had lego sets as a kid, it was always easier to build if you DIDN'T put the wheels on first, the the temptation was always to great for me to drive it around the table in its half finished state.  The forum III project taught me practically that the best things do come to those who wait.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: appleknocker on January 25, 2010, 06:20:34 PM
I am brand new to this forum.  I came here specifically to find info on the 00-03.  Can you someone fill me in on this special order?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: ST on January 25, 2010, 06:41:48 PM
Hi appleknocker,

I am brand new to this forum.  I came here specifically to find info on the 00-03.  Can you someone fill me in on this special order?


Ordering for the 00-03 MT Forum IV was closed on January 15th.

For more details see: Larrivée  Forum Guitars - Forum IV (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Forum_Guitars#Forum_IV)

You could contact Jim Holler to see if he has anything available. Contact info at the link above.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: appleknocker on January 25, 2010, 07:01:47 PM
Thanks ST.  Looking forward to exploring the forum.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: ST on January 25, 2010, 07:09:03 PM
Hi appleknocker,

Thanks ST.  Looking forward to exploring the forum.

You are welcome. Be sure to check out #9 in this note: Donuts?  :donut  :donut2  :donut (http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=12906.0)



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on January 25, 2010, 09:36:55 PM
Thanks ST.  Looking forward to exploring the forum.

This forum ordered a special mahogany top 00-03 for members. There appear to be a number of dealers with spruce top 00-03 guitars right now which some prefer anyway.



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: dkoloff on January 28, 2010, 08:11:51 PM
Looking forward to the all Mahogany.....it has an old school look that is unique, much as an all Koa has a unique look. And then have to see if we like the tone...should be a terrific guitar when they start coming in.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on January 28, 2010, 10:06:39 PM
Looking forward to the all Mahogany.....it has an old school look that is unique, much as an all Koa has a unique look. And then have to see if we like the tone...should be a terrific guitar when they start coming in.
ya gots ta be mighty careful when you're using that word, "unique" round these parts.  :cop:
(and twice in the same sentence...)  :whistling:
 :humour:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on January 28, 2010, 10:15:23 PM
Does anyone have any idea whether the Forum IV have been started?

-James

 :drool: :drool: :drool:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on January 28, 2010, 10:19:41 PM
  I haven't heard anything yet.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on January 29, 2010, 02:50:34 PM
  I haven't heard anything yet.

I sent Jim an email a couple of days ago asking about the build but no reply yet. 

I would love to start seeing some pics of the build and more info but right now, if I knew for sure that they'd started building them, I would be more patient...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Randy_R on January 29, 2010, 04:42:01 PM
I sent Jim an email a couple of days ago asking about the build but no reply yet. 

I would love to start seeing some pics of the build and more info but right now, if I knew for sure that they'd started building them, I would be more patient...

um hum... like sharks circling a surf board......   :winkin:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on January 29, 2010, 08:06:09 PM
Randy_R,

Yes we are!

 :roll


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: appleknocker on February 01, 2010, 02:54:47 AM
Dang, if you guys are the sharks circling the surfboard, I must be the remora circling the sharks.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 01, 2010, 02:58:48 AM
Dang, if you guys are the sharks circling the surfboard, I must be the remora circling the sharks.
             Nothin to do but wait......

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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: appleknocker on February 01, 2010, 03:05:51 AM
To be fair, that's not the most flattering picture of me.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 01, 2010, 03:10:48 AM
To be fair, that's not the most flattering picture of me.
  Well I'm the sad shark laying on the bottom.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 01, 2010, 07:07:45 PM
   Jim emailed me back a couple of days ago saying that he would try to update any info he had on the F-IV's. Is really busy (has 2 helpers now), but would try to feed the land-sharks ASAP! :donut :donut :donut2 :donut :donut
   Don't know how long the doughnuts will last, but a feeding frenzy there will be!
   I had inquired about the tuners & possibly having him put a set of Grover Sta-tites on, if they fit. Not sure if we're getting the same as the spruce topped Limited OO-03's out there, which were Shallers? :?
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on February 01, 2010, 11:46:12 PM
Check out Page 22 of the newest (March 2010) Acoustic Guitar magazine. An all mahogany Santa Cruz 12 Fret 00. :nice guitar:

I'm getting real itchy to find out when we'll see our first glimpse of the Forum IV.  :nana_guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on February 02, 2010, 04:25:01 AM
Check out Page 22 of the newest (March 2010) Acoustic Guitar magazine. An all mahogany Santa Cruz 12 Fret 00. :nice guitar:

I'm getting real itchy to find out when we'll see our first glimpse of the Forum IV.  :nana_guitar

The SC is nice but you could buy 3 F-IV's for the same amount of cash.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on February 02, 2010, 03:17:37 PM
   
   I had inquired about the tuners & possibly having him put a set of Grover Sta-tites on, if they fit.      Jeff

Jeff

Please keep us posted with Jim's response to this as I too am strongly considering the tuner replacement ( have from the start) thus Jim won't have a bunch asking the same question   :donut  :donut2


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jpmist on February 02, 2010, 04:08:20 PM
Check out Page 22 of the newest (March 2010) Acoustic Guitar magazine. An all mahogany Santa Cruz 12 Fret 00. :nice guitar:

I'm getting real itchy to find out when we'll see our first glimpse of the Forum IV.  :nana_guitar

Well the picture in the article seems like it'd be real close to ours. I speculate from other Larrivee mahogany guitars I've seen that it won't be quite as dark.

Link is here:http://acousticguitar.com/article/default.aspx?articleid=24813

I have every confidence that our Forum -IV will be every bit as praiseworthy. Be sure to check out the lovely sound clip of it. . .


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on February 02, 2010, 04:26:49 PM
Well the picture in the article seems like it'd be real close to ours. I speculate from other Larrivee mahogany guitars I've seen that it won't be quite as dark.

Link is here:

http://acousticguitar.com/article/default.aspx?articleid=24813


I have every confidence that our Forum -IV will be every bit as praiseworthy. Be sure to check out the lovely sound clip of it. . .

Tried to fix your link...don't know if it worked until I post...

...okay; it worked - if someone clicks on the link now in the quote box above, it will take you to the article.

The main difference I see is that the SC is a short scale...but I had to laugh that they say they're honoring the move to all mahogany guitars because of the depression...and then their price is over THREE GRAND! Hah! I'll take my Forum IV, thank you!

Nice sound clip demo of the 1929 (as they call it); I suspect the Larrivee FIV will have a little more clarity in the midrange because of the slightly longer scale length (the 1929 in the demo tended to get a little mushy or boomy with fingerstyle playing). JMHO.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: bobsnob on February 02, 2010, 04:30:35 PM
Please keep us posted with Jim's response to this as I too am strongly considering the tuner replacement ( have from the start) thus Jim won't have a bunch asking the same question 

He might have already had a bunch asking about tuner replacements.  I enquired about it too. 

If enough people want it, maybe it could be done at the factory.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jpmist on February 02, 2010, 05:08:45 PM

The main difference I see is that the SC is a short scale...but I had to laugh that they say they're honoring the move to all mahogany guitars because of the depression...and then their price is over THREE GRAND! Hah! I'll take my Forum IV, thank you!

Nice sound clip demo of the 1929 (as they call it); I suspect the Larrivee FIV will have a little more clarity in the midrange because of the slightly longer scale length (the 1929 in the demo tended to get a little mushy or boomy with fingerstyle playing). JMHO.

I was really struck by the similarities; all mahogany, ebony fretboard, head plate and pyramid bridge, not slot-headed, neck width & bridge width. We get herringbone rosette, back strip with a (possibly) thinner satin finish, they get mahogany binding (huh?), an uncomfortable V-neck, open back tuners and a $3 K price tag.

If ours sounds even close to the sample clip I'll be a very happy camper.

FWIW I did a photoshop mockup of what our IV may look like. I have it on my cell wallpaper. Dunno if it makes waiting for it any easier, but sure gives me something to look forward to.

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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 02, 2010, 05:12:34 PM
Check out Page 22 of the newest (March 2010) Acoustic Guitar magazine. An all mahogany Santa Cruz 12 Fret 00. :nice guitar:

I'm getting real itchy to find out when we'll see our first glimpse of the Forum IV.  :nana_guitar
  Nice looking SCGC 00.


He might have already had a bunch asking about tuner replacements.  I enquired about it too.  

If enough people want it, maybe it could be done at the factory.
 You may be right...But Jim stated from the begining that there would be no factory changes. Jim can swap them out at his facility though I'm sure.
                The holes have to be the right size and the screws would need to line up or else it would be a bigger deal.
                 In the end, it's probably better to let Jim be. And just wait this out. We can all change tuners later if we want to.

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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on February 02, 2010, 05:19:28 PM
That sure would be nice to have Tuners installed right at factory it just makes sense and no waste BUT got the impression at the the start of this thing that would only be wishfull thinking. Not sure sure of the effect on the overall assembly process. Wonder how many are seriously considering a tuner replacement - given the fact we still don't know what they will definitely come with.

You never know maybe Grover Sta-tites are being installed on them ALL right now as we speak  :roll


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 02, 2010, 05:28:22 PM
I was really struck by the similarities; all mahogany, ebony fretboard, head plate and pyramid bridge, not slot-headed, neck width & bridge width. We get herringbone rosette, back strip with a (possibly) thinner satin finish, they get mahogany binding (huh?), an uncomfortable V-neck, open back tuners and a $3 K price tag.

If ours sounds even close to the sample clip I'll be a very happy camper.

FWIW I did a photoshop mockup of what our IV may look like. I have it on my cell wallpaper. Dunno if it makes waiting for it any easier, but sure gives me something to look forward to.
 Could you show this with no pick guard?

That sure would be nice to have Tuners installed right at factory it just makes sense and no waste BUT got the impression at the the start of this thing that would only be wishfull thinking. Not sure sure of the effect on the overall assembly process. Wonder how many are seriously considering a tuner replacement - given the fact we still don't know what they will definitely come with.

You never know maybe Grover Sta-tites are being installed on them ALL right now as we speak  :roll
 
                I think they would ALL have to be the same and it would involve a lot of communication, which we are not experiencing much of, at this point with Larrivee. Hopefully that will change in a few weeks or so.

  Any change at all in the F-IV would also open the door for others to say "how about this now". So I don't believe that will happen myself.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jpmist on February 02, 2010, 06:16:27 PM
 Could you show this with no pick guard?

Sure!

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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 02, 2010, 06:30:47 PM
   I have already inquired about having Jim put in a set of the Grover Sta-tites on mine (besides a bone nut). All depends on what comes on the F-IVs & his price for the job. Wanted info on where I had found them in the Stew-Mac catalog. Just sent that to him yesterday. Was thinking on the same lines of if others were interested in changing tuners. Single pricing is less than $50 for a set with bushings. More, less cost to Jim & us.
   Dan, when I saw that "1929" model, I too started to drool. Made my mind up to get the pickguard, looking like a vintage Martin -17 series. The Santa Cruz literally was 3 times more on the street than what we're paying, but it has Waverlys & different bracing, so the sound might be slightly different. And who said ours had a pyramid bridge on it, as jpmist sounds like he's implying? Might just be the way it was worded, but it was listed as a "similarity". News to me? Still can't wait to find out? :drool:
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on February 02, 2010, 07:25:51 PM
Is anyone considering the Gotoh SG360 tuners, Gold with Ivoroid buttons? Aren't they "drop-in" replacements?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: roguegnome on February 02, 2010, 07:58:16 PM
I like the 7107 in Cosmo Black Midsize 510 Gotohs. ( I think the mid and not the mini is the drop in)
(http://www.stewmac.com/catalog/images_2lg/7107_2lg.jpg)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jpmist on February 02, 2010, 08:47:55 PM
And who said ours had a pyramid bridge on it, as jpmist sounds like he's implying? Might just be the way it was worded, but it was listed as a "similarity". News to me? Still can't wait to find out? :drool:
     Jeff

My bad (as the kids say. . .  :winkin:) No pyramid bridge, thinking of another guitar. Dazed and confused as usual. . .


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on February 02, 2010, 11:06:39 PM
Check out this Parlor with the Ivoroids.

http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=28543.0


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on February 02, 2010, 11:28:24 PM
Personally I would prefer the Waverly's if a drop in BUT would go for Grover Sta-Tite if a group order install.

Possibly Mr HOLLER can develope a group price for this added upgrade if he is willing to do?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 03, 2010, 12:11:49 AM
   Tuffy put the Sta-tites on his F-III, telling me they would  probably look nice on the F-IV also. Not a drop in, but I thought the idea was an open geared, vintage looking tuner? From what I'm getting, the tuners won't be Pings. If bought in quantity, the Grovers would look nice.
   A small hole under each tuner? If you're keeping your F-IV, shouldn't matter. If not sure, don't have them done. Personally, after having Jim do a bone nut also, I can't swing the Waverlys. Would love to. Would like to put them on my F-III. Just can't. I'm going to email Jim & see if he could look into the cost of both tuners. If enough get in on the Sta-tites, the price might well be worth it?
     Jeff
jpmist, I would love a pyramid bridge on this one. Won't happen, but your wishful thinking might work???


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on February 03, 2010, 04:30:31 AM
   Tuffy put the Sta-tites on his F-III, telling me they would  probably look nice on the F-IV also. Not a drop in, but I thought the idea was an open geared, vintage looking tuner? From what I'm getting, the tuners won't be Pings. If bought in quantity, the Grovers would look nice.
   A small hole under each tuner? If you're keeping your F-IV, shouldn't matter. If not sure, don't have them done. Personally, after having Jim do a bone nut also, I can't swing the Waverlys. Would love to. Would like to put them on my F-III. Just can't. I'm going to email Jim & see if he could look into the cost of both tuners. If enough get in on the Sta-tites, the price might well be worth it?
     Jeff
jpmist, I would love a pyramid bridge on this one. Won't happen, but your wishful thinking might work???

Thanks Jeff keep us posted on a possible group buy - as it only makes sense tho IMHO makes more sense to have done at Larrivee as the initial project only needed a minimum of 4 so thus 4 into 32 is say 8 groups theoretically it ought to work for something as simple as tuners. In theory as long as you had 4 or more wanting the "upgrade tuner" should work BUT don't wanna be the sand in the vaseline.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 03, 2010, 04:36:39 AM
Thanks Jeff keep us posted on a possible group buy - as it only makes sense tho IMHO makes more sense to have done at Larrivee as the initial project only needed a minimum of 4 so thus 4 into 32 is say 8 groups theoretically it ought to work for something as simple as tuners. In theory as long as you had 4 or more wanting the "upgrade tuner" should work BUT don't wanna be the sand in the vaseline.
  Where did you get the 32 figure? That's the 1st time I have seen that.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on February 03, 2010, 04:44:55 AM
  Where did you get the 32 figure? That's the 1st time I have seen that.

Sorry Danny just spewing ,  shoulda said 30something isn't it but certainly enough for multiple groups of 4.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 03, 2010, 04:53:00 AM
I don't think groups of 4 holds any water now. Four was just the initial number to order a 00-03MT. But that all changed when it became a Forum IV.
  
        And with so little information flowing on this one I just don't see wish lists geting much attention.

            After all we still don't even know the total number ordered. And that is just a number.
I think we are just at the mercy of Larrivee to even get this one made. And I am not joking in the least little bit.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on February 03, 2010, 05:06:35 AM
I have a feeling AND IT's JUST a FEELING once it starts the info will come a flowin.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 03, 2010, 05:09:18 AM
I have a feeling AND IT's JUST a FEELING once it starts the info will come a flowin.
  I hope your right.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 03, 2010, 03:28:59 PM
   I sent Jim an email to price out a quantity purchase for him (more than 3 or 4) from Stew-Mac for the Sta-tites & the Waverlys (the cheaper ones). With his cost of work of course. Don't think (almost a definite) that Larrivee will do anything different with whatever tuners they're putting on. I was thinking of having Jim do them, if he wants to take it on. It's not alot of work, according to Tuffy. Dan could do it with his eyes closed, but I prefer having a pro do it for this guitar?
   As Dan knows, Jim has so much worth & not enough time. Dan, I told him he could email me with an answer, me posting in a bland looking way. You would have all of the bold print, lights, & such that I don't know how to do. Either one works.
   He was emailing me back before this came up, as I had already asked about the Grovers, he wanting more info. Now with more interested, it comes down to whether it's cost effective for him to install them. Don't want him losing money, just getting vintage style tuners, but not knowing about the ones that will come except they will be closed ones. And again, after seeing that "1929" guitar, I personally think the pickguard adds a nice touch. Maybe even a Stew-Mac Martin vintage style one?
   When Jim gets back to me, I'll post something. He had said he would update the final order #'s & any info to keep us happy when he has a chance. Busy guy, so be patient!
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on February 03, 2010, 04:26:22 PM
At this point, I think we all should just be thankful that Larrivee is willing to do these Forum guitars, and not push our luck - with either Larrivee or Jim at Trinity.

I know, I know; "WE are the customer, WE are the ones paying for this, so shouldn't we have more say"...but we are not a dealer (but working through one). And, "In this economy, why, shouldn't Larrivee be thanking us for our orders?"  I understand all that (being the hardcore capitalist that I am!).

But Larrivee is building something a little different for us (not a current model/current specs), and now we're starting to get itchy to add other options, when we were clearly told - no other changes or options, period. Any local luthier can change the tuners if Jim doesn't have time - it's just not a big deal, and - IMHO - not worth bugging him about. He's already willing to do saddles, nuts (and pickguards, I assume).  And again, we're getting a FANTASTIC PRICE on these - have we forgotten that?

It's a little like the thread that started up on Forum V - and thinking you're gonna twist Jean's arm to use cedar when he's clearly said, Larrivees aren't built with cedar tops (anymore - yeah, there used to be some; I guess he wasn't completely satisfied with the results). Why even tease yourself? That's why there are other makers out there...we all can spend our money wherever we want! Someday I may buy a nice acoustic that's not a Larrivee to get something that Larrivee doesn't make - fair enough...no sense trying to convince Jean to tool up for my fantasy guitar if someone else already makes it.

I'm sorry, just playing devil's advocate, and maybe a lot of this chatter is just to pass the time while the build is going on (understandable)...but we knew the rules when we started the build, and now we're like a kid who's trying to push curfew from Midnight to 1:00 a.m.

Also, if Larrivee is in the midst of a move, we need to keep that in mind as to when these will get started/finished.  We haven't heard much more about that, so we're all just speculating...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 03, 2010, 04:53:22 PM
   I can have the tuners done by someone else, but Jim expressed interest in doing mine. If he decides he wants to do more, his choice. Nobody is asking for more than we're getting, nor do we even know what tuners are coming on these guitars. I told Jim it would be good to wait & see what is on them. Nobody's pushing work onto Jim that he doesn't want to do. He'll either do more than just mine or decide he doesn't want to tackle more. It's neither my decision nor yours.
   Ask Larrivee to put different tuners on? No changes to the specs & that's how they work. Jim had showed an interest in my tuner swap. If it's something profitable to him & affordable to us, we both win. If he doesn't want to do more than mine, so be it. Don't worry, Jim will let you know if he doesn't have the time & we're "bothering" him about it. Any money he can make in a profitable way, God bless him. It's his decision, not yours or mine. Thought that was made clear already? No one tells Jim what to do, so it's not in our hands. The Larrivee option must have been made by someone with a wishlist, because that just won't happen.
   You can play "Devil's  Advocate" if you want, but bottom line is it's Jim's call. He didn't hesitate about my tuners, but Jim & I have a pretty good relationship. I've bought 2 guitars from him, besides the Forum ones. Speaks his mind & is really anxious to get back to building. The tuner swap is probably a 15 minute job for him, so a good way to make a little mullah? Again, he has the final word, not us. :beer
    Jeff
   Don't drink, but a nice, cold beer shared can smooth over many things! :thumb


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on February 03, 2010, 05:31:17 PM
Yep gotta say I side with Jeff on this one. We are only asking as customers and not looking for something for nothing. Personally if Larrivee can't put them on initially then to get Mr HOLLER would be my 1st choice even one I would be willing to wait for him to install. AND it's not something I expect him to do for free - of course he would charge us the fee!!!!!! I am totally lost at why this is viewed as a negative  :?  :?  :?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 03, 2010, 05:33:15 PM
  It's just ramblings. Nothing to it really.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 03, 2010, 06:19:43 PM
   Don't take it the wrong way, but mine is not just ramblings. I'm assumming you're referring to the negative things. Jim jumped on it when I mentioned the possibility of new tuners, asking me what page in Stew-Mac the Grovers were listed on. If they come in with Pings, I'm doing my thing with Jim. Still might, as I want open geared vintage style ones & a black Martin style pickguard. If Jim doesn't have any, which I'll ask him, I'll just call Stew-Mac & have them send one to him. Don't want the Larrivee p/g with the over done colors. Just my opinion on that one.
   Up to Jim if he wants to take on others tuner replacements. I guess you're on your own with him as far as that goes? I'm set!
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 03, 2010, 06:32:53 PM
  Don't take it the wrong way, but mine is not just ramblings. I'm assumming you're referring to the negative things. Jim jumped on it when I mentioned the possibility of new tuners, asking me what page in Stew-Mac the Grovers were listed on. If they come in with Pings, I'm doing my thing with Jim. Still might, as I want open geared vintage style ones & a black Martin style pickguard. If Jim doesn't have any, which I'll ask him, I'll just call Stew-Mac & have them send one to him. Don't want the Larrivee p/g with the over done colors. Just my opinion on that one.
   Up to Jim if he wants to take on others tuner replacements. I guess you're on your own with him as far as that goes? I'm set!
     Jeff
 Bad choice of wording on my part Jeff. I appreciate your posts and effort.

     I think I should have taken more time and said. "We are just rambling, like floating down a big slow moving river on a raft, just waiting to see what's around the next bend. So we spend the time in discussions that may not really add up to a lot. Some may be perceived as negative and they may be. So we need a little encouragement, thus an answer to a moody post may be intended to uplift the mood and yet be perceived as a counter measure to another post and on and on."

         Meanwhile... back at the raft, we just keep staring at that next bend and wondering what may be around it. And when the trip may be over.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 03, 2010, 07:56:25 PM
   Dan, you should write poetry. Very well said in a cool way. My only point is that Jim might do more tuners than mine, if enough want them. That's up to him & those others interested. After reading your post, I'm so calm & my mind in another place, I'm going to take an early nap!!! Thanks!! :thumb
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on February 03, 2010, 11:42:49 PM
  Bad choice of wording on my part Jeff. I appreciate your posts and effort.

     I think I should have taken more time and said. "We are just rambling, like floating down a big slow moving river on a raft, just waiting to see what's around the next bend. So we spend the time in discussions that may not really add up to a lot. Some may be perceived as negative and they may be. So we need a little encouragement, thus an answer to a moody post may be intended to uplift the mood and yet be perceived as a counter measure to another post and on and on."

         Meanwhile... back at the raft, we just keep staring at that next bend and wondering what may be around it. And when the trip may be over.

That's kinda what I thought...I just wondered if it was turning a little sour toward Larrivee because of a lack of choices for tuners, etc. ... my bad. I'm as anxious as everyone else, and Jeff, you're right, it's Mr. Holler's call if he has the time and willingness to do add-ons. I haven't spoken with him, you have. I just made an assumption (oops!) from something I read in another post regarding the Forum III guitars - the point being made was that the Forum III project turned into a very time-consuming (albeit I'm sure profitable) amount of work for him, with around 80 instruments.  But if he doesn't mind, great!

Let the meandering down the lazy river continue...and pass me an oar!  :thumb


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on February 04, 2010, 12:05:20 AM
There are many forum members skilled at set up and repair work. There is a nice little business opportunity here for working on customisation of the forum guitars. Maybe a spin off TV show 'pimp my forum guitar' is on the cards. 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on February 04, 2010, 02:37:07 AM
FYI, there was no choice of tuners on the Forum III.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 04, 2010, 02:53:13 AM
FYI, there was no choice of tuners on the Forum III.
 I've got a little story on this matter. When we were all in Vancouver and Edwin was about to start the setup of the F-III's for those of us who were there I took my guitar off the rack and handed it to him. He was a very pleasant an began setting it up.
      I started taking pictures as he was drilling holes and putting on the various parts. As he was drilling the headstock for the tuners I noticed several packs of mini Shallers on the work table along with the Pings. I asked if I could have the Schallers instead and he said that he thought I could, but we would need to drill different size holes and he would need to put my guitar back until last.
      Well y'all can probably guess what I said. Being such a patient person :whistling: I immediately said, no that's OK let's just use the Pings. Then when he was finished I strung up my guitar (twice :blush:) and was the first to play an F-III.                          
                                  But I did have a choice in tuners for about 2 seconds :thumbsup


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on February 05, 2010, 12:45:07 AM
  I've got a little story on this matter. When we were all in Vancouver and Edwin was about to start the setup of the F-III's for those of us who were there I took my guitar off the rack and handed it to him. He was a very pleasant an began setting it up.
      I started taking pictures as he was drilling holes and putting on the various parts. As he was drilling the headstock for the tuners I noticed several packs of mini Shallers on the work table along with the Pings. I asked if I could have the Schallers instead and he said that he thought I could, but we would need to drill different size holes and he would need to put my guitar back until last.
      Well y'all can probably guess what I said. Being such a patient person :whistling: I immediately said, no that's OK let's just use the Pings. Then when he was finished I strung up my guitar (twice :blush:) and was the first to play an F-III.                         
                                  But I did have a choice in tuners for about 2 seconds :thumbsup

Wow, wish I had of known that. I would have definitely had him put the Shallers on instead.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on February 05, 2010, 01:19:21 AM
Wow, wish I had of known that. I would have definitely had him put the Shallers on instead.

Yup 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 05, 2010, 03:02:00 AM
   I have owned two LSV-11's and the first one came with Pings, while the second had Schallers. Honestly I felt no difference in the two. I know when Pings get a bit older they do slip though. I think I would prefer Gotoh if I were to change from the Larrivee branded Pings. I like the variations they offer in colors of tuners and buttons.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on February 05, 2010, 03:09:08 AM
Wonder if Larrivee will soon move away from The Pings as definitely the weak link on this brand - and no real reason for it that I can imagine.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: AZLiberty on February 05, 2010, 05:37:44 AM
no real reason for it that I can imagine.

Keep imagining.  Larrivee uses Pings for the same reason Taylor does, significant savings over Gotoh or Schaler machines.  Per guitar it's not that huge a savings, but it definitely adds up.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pehabe on February 05, 2010, 07:26:59 AM
Wonder if Larrivee will soon move away from The Pings as definitely the weak link on this brand - and no real reason for it that I can imagine.

and also the "famous" Cleartone string...  :whistling:

cheers,
Peter


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 05, 2010, 05:44:36 PM
   The F-IIIs came with D'Addario EXP lights. Think Larrivee is sticking to those as their coated string of choice. Man, Dan, I agree with Lynda about the Shallers. But patience is a virtue that not all have.
   Personally, my Pings on my F-III stay in tune forever. Got back home after having my knee replaced, my main worry being humidity monitoring while I was away. Came home last week, the humidity on both of my acoustics was 47%. Over-humidified to cover the length of time I would be away. Took my F-III out & was almost dead-on in tune. The Shallers on my L-10, the same. Want to upgrade for ascetics & a little more precise tuning, but these Pings are holding their own.
   As far as the strings, Jim stocks alot more now with his bigger shop. When I asked him if I should send him a set of EJ-16s to throw on, since he's doing a bone nut for me also, he said he stocked them now. Think all should just wait until the F-IVs come in to discuss modding them out. Seemed to be wait Jim preferred?
   Waiting is still waiting. It's no fun. One idea I have is to buy a black OO size pick guard & have Jim put it on mine. Think it will look cooler than a tortoise shell one? And, more period correct for the Martin -17 series I'm looking to match up a little?
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: AZLiberty on February 05, 2010, 07:13:37 PM
   One idea I have is to buy a black OO size pick guard & have Jim put it on mine. Think it will look cooler than a tortoise shell one? And, more period correct for the Martin -17 series I'm looking to match up a little?
     Jeff

1) I think that Larrivee uses nice wood, and it's a shame to cover the wood with an ugly pickguard. (my 4 Larri.s have the old clear guards)
2) The look of the tortoise guard (on the hog top) is definitely growing on me. Still hate it on Sitka, but on the hog tops...
3) Yeah, a black PG would look more "Martin like", though I think they used tortoise some years as well.  It won't look that Martin like as the Larrivee will have much nicer (and contrasting) binding.

4) I'd ask Jim to leave the pickguard off, buy the black one yourself, and decide in person.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frederico on February 05, 2010, 08:01:23 PM
What gauge is the Forum IV set for?  I just noticed that the spruce top 00-03 is set up for medium gauge.  I always think medium gauge strings are for jumbo-like guitars to take advantage of the larger body volume.  I expected light strings will be used for a couch guitar like 00 or a parlor. Am I correct?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on February 05, 2010, 08:18:33 PM
Mediums on everything, lights are for sissys.   :humour:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on February 05, 2010, 08:55:33 PM
What gauge is the Forum IV set for?  I just noticed that the spruce top 00-03 is set up for medium gauge.  I always think medium gauge strings are for jumbo-like guitars to take advantage of the larger body volume.  I expected light strings will be used for a couch guitar like 00 or a parlor. Am I correct?

00 and parlor are two different beasts - especially scale length. So the parlor should definitely have mediums (IMHO) because of the shorter scale and lower tension; the 00 - it's more about your personal preference. I'll definitely give both a try.

Sending my second payment to Jim today!  More than 2/3 paid for now!    :nanadance


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jpmist on February 05, 2010, 11:44:52 PM
Hope I'm not polluting this thread, too much time on my hands waiting until late March - early April (?).

One solution was to give in to GAS and buy my first Larrivee (see Pics forum), another is to speculate on how the Forum -IV is gonna look like. Take your pick!

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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frederico on February 05, 2010, 11:59:29 PM
No problem :whistling: I'd already done so when I placed an order with Jim for a Taylor 814ce cedar top earlier this week :nanadance

My new problem is it won't come until late March :crying:

Couldn't wait for Easter weekend as I may end up with two new guitars together :nice guitar:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on February 06, 2010, 12:48:20 AM
Hope I'm not polluting this thread, too much time on my hands waiting until late March - early April (?).

One solution was to give in to GAS and buy my first Larrivee (see Pics forum), another is to speculate on how the Forum -IV is gonna look like. Take your pick!

the one in the middle....wow, I thought I was really excited before!!!  Nice job on those shots.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: gitnoob on February 06, 2010, 12:53:10 AM
Very sexy.   I can't wait to see one glossed up.   Who's gonna be the first to go glossy?   :smile:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: eded on February 06, 2010, 01:29:15 AM
00 and parlor are two different beasts - especially scale length. So the parlor should definitely have mediums (IMHO) because of the shorter scale and lower tension; the 00 - it's more about your personal preference. I'll definitely give both a try.

Sending my second payment to Jim today!  More than 2/3 paid for now!    :nanadance

I'm still zeroing in on strings for my (spruce top) 00-03.  On my parlor, Pearse Phosphor Bronze Bluegrass is perfection.  So far on the 00. I tried mediums which were a bit stiff, and now I have a set of lights (both Pearse Phosphor bronze).  The lights are better for feel...  (yes, I openly admit it...  I'm a sissy) but I'm torn on sound.  I'd like to try a set that is the opposite of bluegrass...  light bass strings and medium trebles.  But I think I should bash on the thing a bunch and let it settle into what it is before I get much more esoteric on strings.  So far, regardless of the strings. it's a well made, good sounding guitar.

Ed


ps: they are spec'ed for mediums


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Strings4Him on February 06, 2010, 03:20:21 PM
Ed, I have a OO-03 (spruce) on order with Guitar Adoptions.  Thanks for the info on the strings.  I will keep the Pearse strings in mind.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: eded on February 06, 2010, 04:55:05 PM
FWIW, several years ago just out of curiosity, I ran a bunch of numbers through one ofthe online string tension calculators.  The tensions for medium strings on a 24 inch scale (i.e. parlor) were nearly identical to light strings on a 25.5" scale. 

When varying from standard sets (light or medium), the other problem to deal with is availability.  Just something to keep in mind when chosing a set to get used to.  If it is one of the lesser used gagues (new mediums, bluegrass, etc.), you either need to have a local that stocks them,  convince your local to stock them, or be organized enough to mailorder a few extras so you have them on hand.

Ed


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 06, 2010, 05:51:42 PM
   Honestly, unless you're used to playing with mediums, they are an adjustment. Used then on my SD-50, just tore my "sissy" fingers up a bit. All of my others have or had lights, thank you. I guess I'll just have to come to the conclusion & adjust to the fact that I'm not enough of a man for those REAL strings! :humour:
   This guitar is my couch guitar, my go-to one when grabbing something small & easy to play my blues & stuff on. Denis, I agree about hiding the nice wood, as I have clear guards on my F-III & L-10. And, yes, I know they used some tortoise shell guards, but they tended to be a darker style, not the much more colorful ones as Larrivees. I have thought this over, even put a black overlay on my F-III copied from my extra t.s. p/g I never used. Am sold on the black one.
   And as far as the string tension, me letting Jim set everything up (bone saddle, bone nut, strings, etc.) will let him adjust everything for the lights, so no tweaking on my end. Let the master do his work. Oh, forgot the sweet open-geared Sta-tites. Will receive the guitar just as I want it. Then have to have neck dots put on the opposite side, another $40-$50. Play totally backwards, asking Jim if he wanted to do the dots. Said it would be easier for me to use my local luthier, who's been doing this for years for me. Buy a right handed guitar, end up with dots on both sides, Such is life!
   Now, let me get back to manning-up my fingers for those mediums. Can't go on with lightweight fingers anymore! :bgrin:
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: TrinityGuitars on February 06, 2010, 08:01:54 PM
Hi   Hi have got a few email in the last week asking how many F IV guitars were ordered  29 is the total. Also been asked about the status. i have not heard any thing. I will contact Larrivee this week and ask for an update and ask if John will PLEASE do the face book page again.
Over and out   Back to work!
Jim Holler


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 06, 2010, 08:29:23 PM
Hi   Hi have got a few email in the last week asking how many F IV guitars were ordered  29 is the total. Also been asked about the status. i have not heard any thing. I will contact Larrivee this week and ask for an update and ask if John will PLEASE do the face book page again.
Over and out   Back to work!
Jim Holler
  A big THANKS for that update Jim.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on February 07, 2010, 03:31:27 AM
Thanks Jim!

-James

 :cheers


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on February 07, 2010, 05:28:22 PM
I don't have a facebook acct. (don't want one.) Will these be viewable w/o signing up for one?  :?
anybody know?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: ST on February 07, 2010, 05:31:38 PM
I don't have a facebook acct. (don't want one.) Will these be viewable w/o signing up for one?  :?
anybody know?

Here is a link to the Forum III photos on Facebook.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=photos&gid=61139122760&so=0

Can you see them?

I can without logging into FaceBook.

How about you?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on February 07, 2010, 05:54:14 PM
Yes, indeed I can, ST. Thank you very much.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 07, 2010, 05:57:52 PM
   I can see them, but also saved all of the pics from the F-III build under my favorites. Don't want a Facebook acct. again. Everybody & then some pop up out of the woodwork, asking to be their friend. Don't mind some, but would prefer not to join again. I saved mine (pics) when I had an account.
   ST, did you have these saved also? When you bring up Facebook, you have to sign up again to view these (if you don't have them saved). Some like "Whackbook", many Forum members getting out of it when the build was over.
   Would be nice if a Flickr acct. could be set up? Not as intrusive to our personal info, even though you have some control over that. I esp. don't like the fact that all of your pics & all are property of the book, for use @ any time. Even after you get off.
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: ST on February 07, 2010, 06:37:26 PM
Hi,

No, I did not have them saved.

I followed this link
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=photos&gid=61139122760&so=0

on a machine that I do not use for FaceBook.  I did not sign in, either.

I was able to see the pictures just fine.

I have no feelings about FaceBook either way, but I'm grateful that the folks at Larrivée put the pictures online.  I'll be happy to view the pictures wherever they (Larrivée) put them.






   I can see them, but also saved all of the pics from the F-III build under my favorites. Don't want a Facebook acct. again. Everybody & then some pop up out of the woodwork, asking to be their friend. Don't mind some, but would prefer not to join again. I saved mine (pics) when I had an account.
   ST, did you have these saved also? When you bring up Facebook, you have to sign up again to view these (if you don't have them saved). Some like "Whackbook", many Forum members getting out of it when the build was over.
   Would be nice if a Flickr acct. could be set up? Not as intrusive to our personal info, even though you have some control over that. I esp. don't like the fact that all of your pics & all are property of the book, for use @ any time. Even after you get off.
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on February 07, 2010, 09:21:54 PM
Back when it started, I couldn't get a facebook account because you had to be a college student to have one. Now every major corporation has one. They've gotten along just fine without me all these years and I guess they can manage a while longer.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Strings4Him on February 07, 2010, 10:37:13 PM
Here is a link to the Forum III photos on Facebook.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=photos&gid=61139122760&so=0

Can you see them?

I can without logging into FaceBook.

How about you?

WOW!!  These pictures really make you appreciate all the steps in building a guitar!  This was enlightening.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on February 08, 2010, 02:09:39 AM
 :+1:

-James


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 11, 2010, 03:30:40 AM
       One year ago today....

                       I'll repeat that..."One year ago today"

     Feb.10, 2009  (John Larrivee Jr.)
"As of today all Forum III guitars have been started. Rosewood guitars are at the forefront carving the path for the South American mahogany. Components for these guitars are moving along and will be ready as the guitars progress. Mahogany tops will be rosetted in the next few days. Be patient with photo's and lists. All good things in all good time."


                                                  "All good things in all good time."


                               And of course on this date "pennerblue" released his big hit "Waitin"
                                                          http://www.reverbnation.com/torsoboy


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 11, 2010, 03:48:25 AM
   Also one year ago today. Feb. 10, 2009 some pictures were added to the Forum build picture thread.

                           http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=25417.msg228109#msg228109

                               That link should take you to all the pictures of the F-III on Feb. 10, 2009

                                                              I'll just put one up here.

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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on February 11, 2010, 05:37:49 AM
Has it been determined where the Forum IV's are being built? The when part would be nice to know too........chomping at the bit... :drool:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on February 12, 2010, 05:12:29 AM
Has anyone heard anything from Jim from Trinity in regards to the status of the build of the Forum IV?

-James

 :drool: :drool: :drool:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Dotneck on February 12, 2010, 12:39:59 PM
Has anyone heard anything from Jim from Trinity in regards to the status of the build of the Forum IV?

I would expect a lot of normal business activity in Vancouver to be slowed down a bit for a week or so....


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on February 12, 2010, 01:14:36 PM
I would expect a lot of normal business activity in Vancouver to be slowed down a bit for a week or so....
Right. They're all busy making snow now.  :humour:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on February 12, 2010, 01:24:00 PM
Right. They're all busy making snow now.  :humour:
:laughin:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on February 12, 2010, 01:50:34 PM
So, nobody's heard from Jim then???


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 12, 2010, 04:50:03 PM
   I had heard that the Limited OO-03 Spruce tops were made in the US. I PM'd Strings4Him, who just received one from Guitar Adoptions, & he told me the label says "Made in California". Another area says "United States of America". After getting bits & pieces of info about the Vancouver plants future, the Washington plant sounds like it might be in the works. Don't know what will be done with Vancouver, but if these Limiteds are being made in Oxnard, good chance ours are too? Makes sense?
   Any body have similar info to share??
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 12, 2010, 06:10:10 PM
   I don't. But I was thinking that the move to Washington report on the 12th Fret site may have been regarding the Vancouver plant. Especially after Oxnard was ruled out.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 12, 2010, 06:17:18 PM
   Dan, that was my thought also. Just didn't want to start an uproar with any rumors like that. F-IVs made in Oxnard, a plus? Now the wait continues!
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 12, 2010, 06:30:57 PM
  Jim Holler said he was contacting John Jr. in his last post. So that is still Vancouver as far as we know at this point. I have asked Jim which facility these would be made in and he said Vancouver.
            But the 00-03's are being made in Oxnard. So it's not for sure yet it seems.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pehabe on February 12, 2010, 10:46:59 PM
Hi... i am a bit lost here...
what is the different guitar are being made in California, Vancouver or Oxnard?
Quality? Workmanship or just sentimental issue?
Please give enlightment :D

cheers,
Peter


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 12, 2010, 10:56:07 PM
Hi... i am a bit lost here...
what is the different guitar are being made in California, Vancouver or Oxnard?
Quality? Workmanship or just sentimental issue?
Please give enlightment :D

cheers,
Peter
  It is the same basic guitar with a spruce top, instead of ALL mahogany. Called a 00-03.   We are ordering a 00-03 MT.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pehabe on February 13, 2010, 01:23:28 PM
hmmm... maybe I have to revise my question...
What is the big deal if our 00-03MT will be made in Vancouver / Oxnard / California factory?  Is there any different quality between those factory?

Thanks,
Peter


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 13, 2010, 03:19:04 PM
hmmm... maybe I have to revise my question...
What is the big deal if our 00-03MT will be made in Vancouver / Oxnard / California factory?  Is there any different quality between those factory?

Thanks,
Peter
  It makes no difference in quality.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 13, 2010, 03:32:44 PM
   Peter, based on the build times of our F-IIIs, which averaged 6-7 weeks, I, personally would like to see Oxnard. Just my feelings. Matthew told me the normal build times for the -03 series is 3 months (Vancouver). The higher grade gits made in Oxnard take 5-6 months. Wendy told me the same thing. All of my -03 series I've owned had a build time like Matthew had said, about 3 months.
   Don't get me wrong, my F-III is a great guitar & go to it more now than my L-10. But with the short build times, how fast some things were (or are) done, I just think the Oxnard plant might get better attention. Slotting the nut on the F-III's in 15-20 seconds by hand using a cardboard guide? Heard that & didn't make sense. This is going to get alot of attacks, but the Vancouver plant was kept open last year with minimal staff just to get our build done. And as fast as possible. And the future of the plant in the air, according to those employees. My choice right now, Oxnard. Seems to be the more stable of the 2 plants. The Washington rumor hasn't been proven to be true, so that's not in the pic yet.
   I'm not bashing Vancouver & have had some great -03s from there. I just feel that Oxnard puts a little more TLC into the guitars. My personal opinion only, Dan. Know you're going to jump all over me for this one. Not all of the F-IIIs lived up to people expectations, but that again is a personal thing. My IS/HOG one is now one awesome guitar, a keeper for life. Oxnard is where the higher series & customs are built (gloss), the OO-03 Limiteds also (matte). Must be a reason other than just breaking up matte finish vs. gloss?
   As far as quality, the -03 series has been made in Vancouver for years, being the original Larrivee factory. My L-10 was made in Vancouver, somewhere? The quality I wouldn't question on any, just consistancy of late. Things are in the air that just don't feel right. All will be resolved, but there must be some reason the OO-03 Limiteds were made in Oxnard?
   OK, everyone pile on me now. Take it easy, as I just had my knee replaced. Maybe just a couple of you?
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 13, 2010, 03:38:58 PM
   I am not going to be bothered by your view on this Jeff. Out of the 10 Larrivees I have owned I will say that my F-III is built as well as any were.
                   It really doesn't matter to me where. I just would like to see it get started. :blush:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 13, 2010, 04:20:28 PM
   Dan, just that. A view. I seconded the F-III as being a great guitar. Alot has been happening in the last year, that being my main point. Oxnard seems the more "stable" of the 2 factorys right now. Did I say something about the F-III's as being inferior guitars? No. Mines not. They were rushed, as you know, & a "skeleton" crew kept there to build them. In half the time as usual. Love mine as you do, some don't. I think the IS/HOG combo is the best of the 2 IS topped ones. Dave Wren talked me into the combo I have, telling me I'd be nicely surprised. I was & am now blown away by mine.
   Why where the OO-03 Limiteds made in Oxnard? I don't know, since they're matte guitars. I know I'll get a quality, well-built guitar no matter what. Just expressing my opinion why I'd rather see them built in Oxnard, which was "pehabe's" question. Why do they have a plant dedicated to ONLY the higher end series & customs? You can't get a custom ordered -03 series from Vancouver.
   I understand & agree with your view on all Larrivees, truely believing the -03s are a steal & you just get more guitar than some of these other builders for less. Just don't sacrifice in quality? :thumbsup
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on February 13, 2010, 04:25:39 PM
I don't think build time has anything to do with quality, it has to do with manpower. First, there are a lot more steps involved with the higher end models. More importantly, How many workers are there in Oxnard as compared to Vancouver?  Less workers equates to slower build time.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 13, 2010, 04:45:35 PM
I don't think build time has anything to do with quality, it has to do with manpower. First, there are a lot more steps involved with the higher end models. More importantly, How many workers are there in Oxnard as compared to Vancouver?  Less workers equates to slower build time.
               Actually at the beginning and through most of the build of the F-III there were a lot of workers in Vancouver. I called and e-mailed Larrivee to get the number so we could buy enough Donuts etc. for all of them.
               Then at the end of the run the crew was reduced. So during the build it was not a skeleton crew. Even at the end most of the guys were not doing much. There was just not much left accept set up and shipping.
                           I think it was well over 40 employees during the build.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 13, 2010, 04:45:51 PM
   There were 6-8 workers dedicated to our F-IIIs for the build. As I said, they were unsure of their future, as were all that had a factory "shut-down" during that time. I disagree about the build time here, as there weren't more workers to get it done faster. They just felt lucky to be getting the work.
   I get build times for every guitar, no matter what brand. Never had an -03 series that was less than 3 months until my F-III. Inferior guitar? Not @ all. Rushed? IMHO, yes. But a great guitar. We had this discussion a couple of months ago. You thought that the day the order was placed, they started the build. Not the case.
   Less workers equate to slower build times? I agree. Then why build times of 6-7 weeks on the F-IIIs, getting done right thankfully. Oxnard is just a newer, more complex facility than Vancouver with more people working there. There was a room full of hundreds of what was assumed to be -03 models in cases, just sitting there waiting to be sent to new owners. Must have taken alot of man power to keep up with orders & get that far ahead on stock?
   Ordered my L-10 in '93, took about 3-4 months to finish. Smaller place, less people, MUCH more appointments. Same guitar now takes about the same time. Longest thing was probably Wendy's genie inlay. I do have a preference to where, my choice being Oxnard. Again, why were the MATTE OO-03 Limiteds built there? Any answers that might make sense? I'm being serious, as I've been trying to figure this one out. :?
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 13, 2010, 04:50:44 PM
   Sorry Jeff, your numbers don't add up at all. Just review the build thread and pictures on Facebook. Most of the ones you see in the pictures were not even there when we went in March. So your numbers can't be right. I talked with Wendy on the phone about the number of employees there as well as e-mails. And 16 of us were there.
        I don't want to argue, just lay out what I know, so that some newbies don't get wrong information.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on February 13, 2010, 04:59:27 PM
 Again, why were the MATTE OO-03 Limiteds built there? Any answers that might make sense? I'm being serious, as I've been trying to figure this one out. :?
     Jeff

Valid question for sure one I too was a wondering about!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on February 13, 2010, 05:09:02 PM
   .... Slotting the nut on the F-III's in 15-20 seconds by hand using a cardboard guide? Heard that & didn't make sense. This is going to get a lot of attacks, but the Vancouver plant was kept open last year with minimal staff just to get our build done. And as fast as possible. ...       Jeff

I'm not sure about the "fast as possible" and minimal staff, but I do know that the nut was NOT cut properly, and at Trinity Guitars it slipped by Jim H's careful eye.  I had a luthier at Dusty Strings in Seattle make a bone nut a few months after the F-III arrived.  It was a disappointment, that and some unexpected run-out on the top.

So why did I order the F-IV?  The F-III LS-03R has been shaping into an exceptional mid-size guitar with more rosewood sweetness than I expected.  The Italian top contributes to that as well.  Finally, 12-frets to the body with regular scale length seems to bring more sound to the box. 

You know, all we need is to know when the building started (or will start, please).  The natives are getting restless, it appears.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on February 13, 2010, 05:09:39 PM
I think the IS/HOG combo is the best of the 2 IS topped ones. Dave Wren talked me into the combo I have, telling me I'd be nicely surprised. I was & am now blown away by mine.

I'm sure the rw/is FIII owners are all pretty happy with their guitars but I am definitely a mh fan and mine just sounds the way I want a guitar to sound.  I was happy from day one and it never lets me down.

This new all hog version of the 00 will be amazing imo.  and like Danny:

It really doesn't matter to me where. I just would like to see it get started. :blush:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 13, 2010, 05:51:43 PM
   Denis, I'm excited also about his guitar. Might be why I have these thoughts. Have NEVER been let down by any Larrivee, can't say the same for other brands. Maybe the wait is letting me think too much?
   Dan, you were there, apparently spoke to Wendy, so as far as the #'s go, you know the bottom line. Am not trying to put a sour taste in any newbies mouths, just was going by what many had told me. I stand corrected if I'm wrong. I don't want to argue, esp. with you. I feel like you're a rock here @ the Forum & have you to thank among some others for the F-IV build. Peace, brother. As I had said, never had a Larrivee I didn't like. No matter what series. When I called Dave, I had ordered an IS/RW model. He told me to try the HOG body one, which I did, with amazing results. My fav of my 2 acoustics I have @ the moment. Even though I anticipate the F-IVs to be great, don't think they will best my F-III. Just love it. It's like your story when you & Norman had lunch in some small Texan town, playing on a porch after. People walking by stopped to listen & tell you how great all sounded. Others can hear the beauty also.
   To all newbies that might read this, it isn't meant as bashing Larrivee. I fell in love with them in '92, commissioned my L-10 Custom in '93, had a L-05 & L-09 while my L-10 was being built. Kept the L-05 for a while after getting my L-10, but couldn't justify having 2 RW L models @ once. They were & still are fantastic guitars.
   Denis, my comments about the IS/RW F-IIIs wasn't meant to be anything negative about those. I just know that almost everyone that got the IS/HOG one just love them, as I do. My comments are a little nitpicking, so don't take them literally. The -03s are supposed to be stepping stones to higher end Larrivees, but those of us that have tried both know there minimal differences, if @ all, in sound & playability. Many prefer -03 series with the matte finish.
   One thing I've noticed is that the -03 series has alot more variety in woods to choose from, Larrivee doing limited runs with obscure woods that are just amazing. Bottom line: please don't take anything negative away from this. Wasn't meant to be that way. Really was a question of plant preference.
   Nothing negative meant here, so if I came off sounding like that, again, I apologize. Since the build was broken into 2 orders, I'm sure the first is well on its way & possibly the second. I can wait, just playin' my F-III as much as I can. Just had a knee replacement, so I play as much as I can handle. Good for the heart & soul!
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tadol on February 13, 2010, 06:25:22 PM
Jeff - Many of your comments are accurate. The time spent on the final finishing and set-up on the F3s was very short - not that it wasn't done to an acceptable level, but I found that having a really good tech spend some more time fine tuning it ( frets, neck, saddle, nut ) has resulted in a much nicer playing and sounding guitar than was originally shipped to me. And ultimately, I found the IS/RW to be the sweetest combo for my taste - I only wish I'd gotten the herringbone.

I don't think it makes any difference where the F4s will be built. The satin finish is just the final spray coat.  The family has been building guitars for a long time now, and one or more of them will be very hands-on in building these great instruments for you. Be patient until you get them ( I know, it won't be easy ), and then play the snot out of them for a few months, at least. I firmly believe that any guitar needs to be well played-in, that the wood and the internal stresses in the materials and construction all need to equalize and settle in.  Then, plan on spending a little more to have the instrument fine tuned. You will end up with a much nicer guitar than you first received, and it will be worth the time, money, and effort.

Tad


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 17, 2010, 11:42:20 PM

   So if we keep it simple as has been discussed in the 00-03 thread then we can get this done easily and quickly.


                  I said that on November 22, 2009.The first post in this thread.
 Almost three months later we still are in the dark about anything regarding this build. Is it really just my impatience on this deal? Or does it seem like something is a bit off level here?

                   Any news...even "Larrivee is not going to build this for another year" would be better than no news. But then again maybe it's just me.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on February 18, 2010, 12:28:15 AM
Its not just you. I didn't order one so I have nothing to complain about but if I had ordered one I would be right with you at the front of the line asking "what's the deal"?

Maybe you need to get on a plane and start a fire under them.   :humour:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 18, 2010, 12:31:24 AM
   Dan, on a positive note, Jim emailed me back last night saying he would try to get some update today & post it here. Just trying to stay positive. And it doesn't matter what we say, it's in Larrivee's hands now. I would assume something has to be started on these, esp. the first batch.
   I was wondering if they waited for the second order to be put in to start all. That would be 1/15/10. Don't mean the next day, just get the ball rolling? It's been a month since then, so things might be ramping up?
   The order cutoff was 1/2/09 for the F-III's, but weren't actually started until the beginning of February. This makes sense as far as a time-line if the order was held off & then combined, not being started until recently, soon, whatever. No, it's not you. A little news would be just fine. Somethings missing from the loop, & is that us?
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on February 18, 2010, 04:32:10 AM
As my dear mother (rest her soul) used to say, "Patience is a virtue."
I can wait, since A) I have no choice but to wait and B) I have other guitars to play and C) when it arrives human nature and history indicates I simply move on to the next big thing. The clock moves fast enough for me these days. I turned 57 years old today. More sunrises behind me than in front of me.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: gschaps on February 18, 2010, 06:57:43 AM
I turned 57 years old today. More sunrises behind me than in front of me.
Happy Birthday!  There are worse things in life than turning 57.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pehabe on February 18, 2010, 08:10:35 AM
I turned 57 years old today. More sunrises behind me than in front of me.

Happy Birthday!!!  :cheers  :cheers  :cheers

Yes your ABC reasons are correct. But I am also in the same boat with others... a little news would be nice, please (i.e. "yes, orders are confirmed", or maybe "looking for MH top", or maybe "necks are on CNC" etc.) I wish... :whistling:

cheers,
Peter


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on February 18, 2010, 09:38:37 AM
a little news would be nice, please (i.e. "yes, orders are confirmed", or maybe "looking for MH top", or maybe "necks are on CNC" etc.) I wish... :whistling:

cheers,
Peter

Or 'we are just stringin' 'em up this morning',  :laughin: The forum III build was surprisingly fast once it started.

Happy Birthday Q!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 18, 2010, 01:45:53 PM
As my dear mother (rest her soul) used to say, "Patience is a virtue."
I can wait, since A) I have no choice but to wait and B) I have other guitars to play and C) when it arrives human nature and history indicates I simply move on to the next big thing. The clock moves fast enough for me these days. I turned 57 years old today. More sunrises behind me than in front of me.But with the incc
                  
                                     Happy Birthday...you just caught up with me.  :donut :donut2

    I've been waiting myself for three months. I was not "for" the extension of the order deadline another month for this reason. I knew that would probably result in one order, (not two). And with the winter holidays approaching at the time I was hoping for a clean and quick order to allow for a build to begin after the first of the year. Which would have meant the 00 would be shipped by early March.
   
            I think patience is a virtue also. I also like the word "communication". I was taught in one of the few college courses that I have taken that "Communication is the number one problem with mankind today". I don't think it really is number one, but it sure can help relationships among family members, social interactions and countries.

                      And I think it would help a lot on the F-IV from Larrivee Guitar Co. also. :thumbsup


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on February 18, 2010, 02:04:59 PM
                  
  I think patience is a virtue also. I also like the word "communication". I was taught in one of the few college courses that I have taken that "Communication is the number one problem with mankind today".
Right Danny. Communications- big problem.
And bombs, too. They are in the top 5, for sure.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 18, 2010, 02:09:10 PM
Right Danny. Communications- big problem.
And bombs, too. They are in the top 5, for sure.

                      :bgrin: Yup, bombs are right up there for sure.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on February 18, 2010, 03:46:28 PM
Personally I was for the extension as this has been labelled from the start as a Forum guitar - thus everyone on the Forum were given ample opportunity to partake. there is absolutely no evidence that I have been privy to on this forum that would enable me to connect the two week extension to a delay of some sort  :?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 18, 2010, 03:46:51 PM
   Yes, patience & communication are needed here. But a little bit of info from Larrivee would satisfy most & keep things cool here. Q, @ least we had the "continuing story of the F-III's" on Facebook last time. Now, nothing. I know they will come, I have 2 acoustics to play for now, am waiting for two, might sell my baby L-10. Depends on how my Luca Canteri Guitars guitar sounds. Blows my L-10 away, away that one goes. Have other things to think about, but something from Matthew from John or first person info would be a good P.R. move here. Keep the sharks happy? That's meant in jest, but I don't think updating us is too much to ask? Please? And no big bombs dropped, please! :?
   I put a $750 deposit for one of these beauties, so I kind of feel I have a right to something. Like, they were started? Or, when they will be? Many have paid fully for a guitar that only required a 25% deposit, having faith in lots of info flowing in. Got spoiled by the F-III build?
   Dan, as soon as there were 2 orders announced, I had a strong feeling also about holding off for the second one. My opinion, never should have been done. They had a similar situation with the F-I & F-II guitars. But, they waited long enough for the first one, this making others wanting to get in. Should have been the same or designated by builds on the labels. Some snuck in @ the last minute on the F-III, that being cool since it was only a day or two. Have to keep the natives happy, esp. when they're your biggest fans & promotors of your instruments? Honestly, this Forum brings in many that have purchased a new Larrivee or have plans & normally leads to buying more. Take away the Forum & I think sales might fall, esp. in this economy. We boast about our Larrivees constantly, lurkers finally finding out why & jumping in. Could say we're the best promotors & COMMUNICATORS of the Larrivee guitar scene?
   Sorry about my long post, as I've been trying either not to post or keep them short & to the point as much as possible. Isn't always possible.
     Jeff
   Is this just giving me more time to plan my mods for the guitar? :humour:
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on February 18, 2010, 03:54:05 PM
        Sorry about my long post, as I've been trying either not to post
     Jeff

 :?  :?  :?  Why would you do that?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 18, 2010, 04:05:52 PM
Personally I was for the extension as this has been labelled from the start as a Forum guitar - thus everyone on the Forum were given ample opportunity to partake. there is absolutely no evidence that I have been privy to on this forum that would enable me to connect the two week extension to a delay of some sort  :?
  It was not a forum guitar from the start. It was just a special order for a group of four people.
                         
             And before I say anymore. I want to be clear about my intentions in these statements. We have not heard a thing regarding the build of this guitar yet. This thread was just lying dormant and others are posting about buying 00 and 000 hog tops in other threads from other guitar builders. Which no doubt had something to do with this order. Meanwhile we hear nothing.

 So I make an honest post to at least keep a little discussion going to keep this F-IV on the radar screen. It seems to have just dropped off to me. Unless I say something.

   I have been called a Larrivee "fan boy" more than once here and do rise to their defense when I see a one sided thread regarding the level of service they provide. This is due to my experience of being taken care of by Larrivee in a very good manner. All I would like to see now is some kind of acknowledgment that this Forum guitar is even in their schedule to be built.
                                      That's it. Very simple.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on February 18, 2010, 04:06:34 PM
I keep seeing replies to this thread and each time I check the new posts, I'm always hoping it's someone that has posted news about the build...   :crying:

I am, and will continue to be, a very patient person.  I would like to know what's going though... :?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on February 18, 2010, 04:53:27 PM
I certainly don't wanna be argumentative BUT the title of this thread is FIV thus I from the start was under the impression it was a Forum Guitar whether 4 or 24 were to be built and I was one of the 1st 4. Tho the creation & details of the build was certainly Danny's idea.

I would like to think it was good for everyone to hold it open a couple of weeks. I would bet my bottom dollar those who got in in the ninth hour were/are grateful to do so.

Lot worse one could be called than "Larrivee Fan Boy" we are all a bit of that  as we recognize how good these instruments are and want to share it with the rest of the world.

I believe a way back we said likely April would be here before we see them - well April ain't here yet, once May rolls around then we can get a little POed


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 18, 2010, 04:59:27 PM
I certainly don't wanna be argumentative BUT the title of this thread is FIV thus I from the start was under the impression it was a Forum Guitar whether 4 or 24 were to be built and I was one of the 1st 4. Tho the creation & details of the build was certainly Danny's idea.

I would like to think it was good for everyone to hold it open a couple of weeks. I would bet my bottom dollar those who got in in the ninth hour were/are grateful to do so.

Lot worse one could be called than "Larrivee Fan Boy" we are all a bit of that  as we recognize how good these instruments are and want to share it with the rest of the world.

I believe a way back we said likely April would be here before we see them - well April ain't here yet, once May rolls around then we can get a little POed
 I changed the thread title at Randy's suggestion.
  
          Anyway I will go back to working on my custom maple/Koa now and let the "river flow".

   Maybe it was Jeff who said it. We did get a little "spoiled" with all the information we had from the F-III. Which was talked about and ordered on a very similar time frame as this one. We received the first finished ones in the middle of March. If I knew it would be April or May back in November, I would have never ordered one myself.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on February 18, 2010, 05:09:21 PM
All this angst will be nothing more than a distant faded memory once they ship. I have 4 very challenging tunes waiting for me. I hope I can learn at least three of them before it arrives.
I for one will now be content to let this thread lie dormant again until there actually is some news. Nearly 1000 posts. Crikey!
Talk to y'all in April.
or May.
 :wave


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 18, 2010, 05:52:52 PM
All this angst will be nothing more than a distant faded memory once they ship. I have 4 very challenging tunes waiting for me. I hope I can learn at least three of them before it arrives.
I for one will now be content to let this thread lie dormant again until there actually is some news. Nearly 1000 posts. Crikey!
Talk to y'all in April.
or May.
 :wave
  You are right Mark.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 18, 2010, 07:15:42 PM
   Dan, I had thought that the start of this guitar was made by you & a few others, saying basically that "we need around 4 to get it started". Not a direct quote, but the gist. I ordered one because it seemed like a guitar I'd really like. There were no complaints with others ordering, you just saying, & in my mind, rightfully so, that you wanted #2. This was since you had #1 of the F-III, implying that it was a #'d series, as a Forum guitar would be. How do you put a special order through the Forum w/o getting other members involved, or given the chance to get one? This isn't meant as being argumentative, just trying to figure out what's going on? Don't take this wrong. I agree with most of all you say! Most! :bgrin:
   I don't care @ this point what the hell it's called. I totally agree about the dates of this & the lack of info supplied. Spoiled by the F-III or not, more should have been told to us by this point. If Larrivee held off on starting them until the second order was put in, nothing we can do but wait. I tried real hard to get money for this one, but if I also knew that I had until 1/15 to order, could have done things a little different? Still feel the same about 2 orders. Shouldn't have been done.
   I've had nothing but stellar support from Larrivee in the past when needed. Had a, R.A. issued in less than 2 weeks for a neck issue on a new OM-05. Spoke with Wendy, jokingly asked for a bone nut for my troubles, get my git back, & there's a bone nut! Only issues I've had have been in the last year or so with emails. I'm sure alot of you remember when you could call, which wasn't that long ago, & have the phone answered. Normally by a worker, but sometimes by Wendy or Matthew. Was a great feeling talking to Wendy about my L-10.
   And q, go back & delete all that don't have something to do with this guitar. Wonder how many pages we'd have then? Don't mean this literally, but I wonder how many WOULD be about the OO-03. Look what happened with the F-III thread. How many pages? People just posted to post. Turned into a mess.
   Now we all sit & wait until April or May. Maybe?
     Jeff
   Joyce, now you know why I don't post that often anymore. Either people don't like what I say or it gets taken the wrong way. My last post here until I get my guitar! :yawn


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 18, 2010, 07:56:32 PM
  Jeff, it is no big deal and I really want to let it go now. I deleted many of my first posts and changed the title of the thread. But it doesn't matter now anyway. It is a forum guitar and all will benefit who ordered it in the long run.
                                (Back to work on my custom)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on February 18, 2010, 08:16:52 PM
  Jeff, it is no big deal and I really want to let it go now. I deleted many of my first posts and changed the title of the thread. But it doesn't matter now anyway. It is a forum guitar and all will benefit who ordered it in the long run.
                                (Back to work on my custom)

So Larrivée has had 2 months from the first deadline to offer some acknowledgement of this guitar being built and nothing has been said by them. I don't understand why they can't offer some info such as, received deposit to build "X" number of guitars, target date to start build is "XX?XX?XX. That would at least let us know there is a possibility the build will start. I have patience but what if this guitar never sees the light of day? A lot speculation at this point with no concrete evidence the build will be completed any time soon.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BenF on February 18, 2010, 09:40:07 PM
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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on February 18, 2010, 11:28:15 PM
  Jeff, it is no big deal and I really want to let it go now. I deleted many of my first posts and changed the title of the thread. But it doesn't matter now anyway. It is a forum guitar and all will benefit who ordered it in the long run.
                                (Back to work on my custom)

I'm one of those who appreciates the fact that this became a Forum guitar - because I missed out on I/II and III, and really liked the specs on each of them! So thanks again, Danny, for pushing this forward and "going public" with it!  I was willing to have a 2nd deadline in January because I figured they weren't going to get started before Christmas anyway - just reality when the deadline was December 15.

I agree it would be nice to get some more info - I'm sure Jim will share anything he gets from Larrivee as soon as he knows something.  Hopefully we'll all be pleasantly surprised soon by some pics or info.

I have patience but what if this guitar never sees the light of day? A lot speculation at this point with no concrete evidence the build will be completed any time soon.

It will see the light of day...we've all made deposits to ensure that these get built. Larrivee wouldn't be in business if they EVER operated like that.

Like some others here, I'm willing to give Larrivee the benefit of the doubt, since we don't know what's going on right now internally in their business - are they closing/moving a plant? Which one? Are they consolidating into one plant? We don't know the answers to any of these questions, so we just have to wait. 

While I'm anxious, like everyone here, I don't want to hurry quality.  These guitars will be special - again - because they were spec'd out with some things that others don't have, like the silver inlay on the headstock, and the herringbone rosette, and the back strip (very rare on Larrivees). So these will be special for those reasons, and also because they'll have great tone - I have no doubt.  And don't forget the amazing price point these are being built at - we are getting a very nice little ax from Larrivee for our $$$.

Hang in there everyone! I think part of the problem (for some of us, anyway) is also this loooong, cooold dreary winter.  It's having an effect on the whole nation's mental state, as is the economy. So we're just dealing with lots of 'stuff' right now. But we'll survive - we'll get through this (the build and the winter / economy). And I agree, the best thing to do is learn a few new tunes so when these are done we can enjoy them even more!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: AZLiberty on February 19, 2010, 12:23:15 AM
I think part of the problem (for some of us, anyway) is also this loooong, cooold dreary winter.  It's having an effect on the whole nation's mental state, as is the economy.

Nah, that's just you.  It's a beautiful 76 degrees in Phoenix and I drove home from work with the convertible top down.  :nana_guitar

It's just human nature to want things NOW, and if you can't have it NOW, to at least want info.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on February 19, 2010, 12:39:31 AM
Nah, that's just you.  It's a beautiful 76 degrees in Phoenix and I drove home from work with the convertible top down.  :nana_guitar

It's just human nature to want things NOW, and if you can't have it NOW, to at least want info.

Actually it's not a matter of wanting things now. I'd just like to hear an update from Larrivée on the status of the order. I really don't think that's too much to ask. I run a small business and I always communicate with my customers, to me communication means you care about someone's business. I can wait, but it does bother me that they haven't passed on any info regarding the build status.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tadol on February 19, 2010, 02:32:04 AM
Relax - Jean's got a flight booked to South America to start looking for mahogany trees -


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on February 19, 2010, 03:02:59 PM
Well...no one's put up a reply since 8:30 last night.... no news?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on February 20, 2010, 12:48:02 AM
Forgive my being out of the loop, but with all this talk about Larrivee moving (I have no idea if these are substantiated rumours or not), anybody think they might be going out of business or something? I certainly hope not, but this whole experience with this order of forum guitars is certainly strange, beginning with the lack of communication from Larrivee (I'm talking confirmation of the order, not a Facebook page). I feel really bad for you guys. :crying:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on February 20, 2010, 01:18:54 AM
No and NO!!!!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: teh on February 20, 2010, 02:49:38 AM
Unless someone beats me to the punch, this will be post #999 on a thread that has also been viewed over 16,000 times since it was started in November. As someone once again standing on the sidelines, let me offer some personal perspective.

When I placed the special order for my LV-03MT 12 string on 11/19/05 two days after my 50th birthday, I put down a $500 cash deposit and didn't think about it again until I received the call that my guitar was ready 11 weeks later. That was truly a great day and I have spent some unbelievable moments over the past four years with this exceptional instrument. To make it even more special my first grandchild Ella was born in July and appears to love my playing.

Not to be maudlin but four weeks before my guitar arrived, I lost my father to pancreatic cancer. Since my dad died in January 2006, we have buried my dad's only brother, my only brother @ 53, my sister-in-law and even my dog. Along the way my mom survived cancer surgery, my father in law was life flighted to the hospital for emergency heart surgery in 2008, he had a stroke last week and my youngest son has spent 23 of the last 31 months serving in Iraq. He and his wife are both there now and not scheduled to return to the states for another 6 months.

 If you are worried about the status of your guitar, relax, go crack yourselves a beer or a hot toddy, sit back and enjoy the Winter Olympics.  Remember, these guitars are top shelf at a great price but in the end they are still just stuff. I would give up any of my guitars for one hour of time just to shoot the breeze with my dad or my brother.

"Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans." 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on February 20, 2010, 04:04:13 AM
TEH,

Thanks for the much needed reminder to keep everything in perspective. Hopefully for most of us, the banter here is mostly that, just banter as we pretend to worry about our guitar build. I'm not worried. The Larrivee's have a long track record, and if my recent (December) RS-4 purchase is any indication, the Larrivee family and company are still making some of the best instruments in the guitar world.  Lyric_girl, they're not going out of business; and quite frankly no one around here knows exactly what's going on with a potential move or other transition - unless they know and they're sworn to secrecy. Again, I'm not worried.

Forgive my being out of the loop, but with all this talk about Larrivee moving (I have no idea if these are substantiated rumours or not), anybody think they might be going out of business or something? I certainly hope not, but this whole experience with this order of forum guitars is certainly strange, beginning with the lack of communication from Larrivee (I'm talking confirmation of the order, not a Facebook page). I feel really bad for you guys. :crying:

The order isn't confirmed with us; it's already been confirmed through Jim Holler, who, as the Larrivee dealer, actually placed the order. We're just waiting for Jim to get some news from Larrivee that the guitars have been started, and hopefully that there will be a site to look at pics (facebook, wherever). I'm sure that as soon as Jim knows something, he'll pass it on to us.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 20, 2010, 04:06:25 AM
Yup, get a big thick book to read......... :donut


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on February 21, 2010, 08:09:22 PM
I spoke with Jim on the phone yesterday and at the end of our conversation I asked if he had heard anything on the F-IV build. Long story short he said he had been very busy but needed to post here that he had been in contact with John Larrivee and that John said it was going to be his top priority to get the F-IV's started. Apparently they are presently working with a skeleton crew.
I wish I could have given you better news (like they were almost done) but I guess some news is better than no news.
I truly feel for all you "waiters" out there.
Better break out Flatlanders "The weight"   :beer


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 21, 2010, 08:15:21 PM
I spoke with Jim on the phone yesterday and at the end of our conversation I asked if he had heard anything on the F-IV build. Long story short he said he had been very busy but needed to post here that he had been in contact with John Larrivee and that John said it was going to be his top priority to get the F-IV's started. Apparently they are presently working with a skeleton crew.
I wish I could have given you better news (like they were almost done) but I guess some news is better than no news.
I truly feel for all you "waiters" out there.
Better break out Flatlanders "The weight"   :beer
  This is what most of us figured was happening. Plus a post was made about some of the new longer scale parlors being made in Vancouver. So I thought they may need to get that batch finished up.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 21, 2010, 08:58:35 PM
   Said I wouldn't post again, but had some emails with Matt. He told me that he was totally out of the loop on the F-IVs, since he's in Oxnard & they are being built in Vancouver. Said that the OO molds were in Oxnard, so some new side bending tools had to be made. Don't know if some other tooling had to be sent over the border, but explains why the OO-03 Limiteds were made in Oxnard. He's been asked alot of question about the OOs from Vancouver, since it's been so long since they were built in Canada. I asked him if he could email John for any info & pass it to Jim, he saying he'd look into it. Mentioned that they have been started, but other than what I just put, not much else. Is a Vancouver build, so John would be the one with updates. Was very helpful with what he could answer & as I said, would follow up on it.
   Unless I hear more from him personally, I wait until my guitar is built!
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Joby on February 21, 2010, 09:23:01 PM
   Said I wouldn't post again, but had some emails with Matt. He told me that he was totally out of the loop on the F-IVs, since he's in Oxnard & they are being built in Vancouver. Said that the OO molds were in Oxnard, so some new side bending tools had to be made. Don't know if some other tooling had to be sent over the border, but explains why the OO-03 Limiteds were made in Oxnard. He's been asked alot of question about the OOs from Vancouver, since it's been so long since they were built in Canada. I asked him if he could email John for any info & pass it to Jim, he saying he'd look into it. Mentioned that they have been started, but other than what I just put, not much else. Is a Vancouver build, so John would be the one with updates. Was very helpful with what he could answer & as I said, would follow up on it.
   Unless I hear more from him personally, I wait until my guitar is built!
     Jeff

Thanks for the update Jeff.
A Canadian built 00-03MT. Now that's cool.  :thumbsup


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on February 21, 2010, 09:27:19 PM
I spoke with Jim on the phone yesterday and at the end of our conversation I asked if he had heard anything on the F-IV build. Long story short he said he had been very busy but needed to post here that he had been in contact with John Larrivee and that John said it was going to be his top priority to get the F-IV's started.

Apparently they are presently working with a skeleton crew

I wish I could have given you better news (like they were almost done) but I guess some news is better than no news.
I truly feel for all you "waiters" out there.
Better break out Flatlanders "The weight"   :beer

Any idea why they're working with a skeleton crew?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: cke on February 21, 2010, 09:39:23 PM
Any idea why they're working with a skeleton crew?

The entire industry is slow and all are working with "less than full' crews.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on February 21, 2010, 10:04:05 PM
  This is what most of us figured was happening. Plus a post was made about some of the new longer scale parlors being made in Vancouver. So I thought they may need to get that batch finished up.

Long scale parlors?  I must not pay close enough attention - where is this info at? (The one thing I'm not crazy about on the parlors is the 24" scale. At least 24.75" would make a huge difference, I would think.

Edited to add: I found the other thread on these...24.5" scale.  Sounds interesting. Personally I think Larrivee should just make this scale length standard for parlors.

*Now back to our regularly scheduled discussion*


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: cke on February 21, 2010, 11:20:56 PM
Any idea why they're working with a skeleton crew?

The entire industry is slow and all are working with "less than full' crews.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: bobsnob on February 22, 2010, 12:21:37 AM
I asked him if he could email John for any info & pass it to Jim, he saying he'd look into it. Mentioned that they have been started, but other than what I just put, not much else. Is a Vancouver build, so John would be the one with updates.

So we now know that they've been started.

Long story short he said he had been very busy but needed to post here that he had been in contact with John Larrivee and that John said it was going to be his top priority to get the F-IV's started.

And that they haven't been started.

Sigh......


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 22, 2010, 12:40:41 AM
   Just a note to my post. Might have misunderstood exactly what Matt said. His quote was "that they've been working on OOs" in Vancouver. Since ours were the only ones I was aware of being built there, I just assumed they were ours. Don't know who elso ordered OO-03s? And, not made in Oxnard, as the Limited run was? Sounded like ours, but might have been throwing me some hope...
   Back to sniggle with the bears ...zzzzz


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on February 22, 2010, 01:17:37 PM
Well...that's more news than I've heard for some time...I'll just play my FIII some more.   :cheers


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 22, 2010, 02:57:35 PM
   Denis, That's exactly what I do when I wake up for a few minutes. My sweet git lulls me back into my deep sleep. Have a direct line to Jim wired up so he can call me when all is set to be worked on with my F-IV. Wiggles my big toe, wakes me up, & BLAM.. it's Spring. One of those new-fangled things I bought on Ebay!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: dkoloff on February 22, 2010, 04:18:54 PM
If you watch the tone of this thread you could almost sense anxiety medications not working instead of excitement in anticipation of out new forums guitars........deep breath everyone, they will get done and they are going to be great!!!!!!!!!! :guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 22, 2010, 04:29:38 PM
If you watch the tone of this thread you could almost sense anxiety medications not working instead of excitement in anticipation of out new forums guitars........deep breath everyone, they will get done and they are going to be great!!!!!!!!!! :guitar
                                           You are correct.
             And I apologize for feeding anyone's anxiety. Mine is totally in check now.

                        But I have to admit the little bit of news is nice also.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on February 22, 2010, 07:05:01 PM
                                           You are correct.
             And I apologize for feeding anyone's anxiety. Mine is totally in check now.

                        But I have to admit the little bit of news is nice also.

Jim hasn't actually said much in the way of "news", has he? It's second hand news we're hearing, not to bring everyone back down to earth.  :humour:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 22, 2010, 07:23:39 PM
Jim hasn't actually said much in the way of "news", has he? It's second hand news we're hearing, not to bring everyone back down to earth.  :humour:
  Roger passed the news on to us directly from Jim Holler. That's official in my book.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 23, 2010, 12:26:53 AM
   Bottom line, John said he'd make it a priority. And Jim was notified of something. Now, that's more progress than we've had. As all are saying (and those all seem to have F-III IS/HOGs?), we have other guitars to play, patience is a virtue I dance with occasionally, & now know we're not forgotten. That's all we wanted really. Recognition? Verification? News will dribble in slowly, as some say is more than they knew when they placed an order. Normally, you place an order & wait for it to be built. So, shouldn't an order of 29 guitars provide just a little more info? Especially after reading these posts.
   Yes, Dave, the meds are running low & not being distributed to all. Any help? :humour:
   And, when are they going to finished? :drool: :drool: :humour:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 23, 2010, 12:53:17 AM
   Just got an email from Matt. Here it is exactly.
     "Hi Jeff,
      I spoke to Ed at the shop in Vancouver today. As I understand it they wanted to build one completely to make sure all of the bugs were worked out. As I mentioned it's been a while since a OO was built (think he meant in Vancouver?). They completed that first one today, and while I believe they are advancing the rest now at an accelerated pace.
     In our mind it's better to be correct and a little late, than not correct and on time.
     I'm not sure if my Johnny intends to do the Facebook thing again. The economy has everyone exceptionally busy and that hind of luxury may not be in the cards.
     Matt"
   Tells where we stand, why the delay, & where all's going. Everybody a little happier now? :nana_guitar
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 23, 2010, 01:05:53 AM
  Just got an email from Matt. Here it is exactly.
     "Hi Jeff,
      I spoke to Ed at the shop in Vancouver today. As I understand it they wanted to build one completely to make sure all of the bugs were worked out. As I mentioned it's been a while since a OO was Built (think he meant in Vancouver?). They completed that first one today, and while I believe they are advancing the rest now at an accelerated pace.
     In our mind it's better to be correct and a little late, than correct and on time.
     I'm not sure if my Johnny intends to do the Facebook thing again. The economy has everyone exceptionally busy and that hind of luxury may not be in the cards.
     Matt"
   Tells where we stand, why the delay, & where all's going. Everybody a little happier now? :nana_guitar
     Jeff
 Good news Jeff.                 I'll take that first one if they will ship it :thumbsup


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 23, 2010, 01:08:22 AM
   Dan, I figured that. Number 2 will be one better! :thumb
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 23, 2010, 01:11:44 AM
  Since you are in contact with Jim a lot, do you think you should let him know what Matt said?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 23, 2010, 01:16:54 AM
   I'm really not in contact that much. Don't get many responses lately. Probably from lack of info? Will send him something letting him know. Mentioned to Matt that you'd take the first one. Don't know if he thought I was serious?
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on February 23, 2010, 02:08:54 AM
Thanks for sharing Jeff.  :wave
I wonder what that first one looks like, something to think about, eh.  :nana_guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on February 23, 2010, 02:59:39 AM
I wonder what that first one looks like, something to think about, eh.  :nana_guitar

Hopefully they have the bridge plate in the right place.   :humour:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: dkoloff on February 23, 2010, 03:37:56 AM
I am excited about the custom side soundport that they are doing on mine..................................................................JUST KIDDING...................! :humour:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on February 23, 2010, 05:04:34 AM
I wonder about what kind of "bugs" they were trying to work out.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pehabe on February 23, 2010, 07:20:27 AM
I wonder about what kind of "bugs" they were trying to work out.

maybe something like this?  :humour:

(http://typesoftermites.com/images/types_of_termites2.jpg)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Joby on February 23, 2010, 01:02:19 PM
I wonder about what kind of "bugs" they were trying to work out.

Maybe the ones that were bugging them from this forum.... :roll
 :humour:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pg60 on February 23, 2010, 01:48:31 PM
Now that there is news that it's being built, I'm offering up my build slot, #15, if anyone wants to get in.  Just have too many guitars and some unexpected bills.   Frozen pipe repair in FL  :ohmy:

I have an ad in FS section if anyone is interested.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on February 23, 2010, 03:05:48 PM
Now that there is news that it's being built, I'm offering up my build slot, #15, if anyone wants to get in.  Just have too many guitars and some unexpected bills.   Frozen pipe repair in FL  :ohmy:

I have an ad in FS section if anyone is interested.

Good luck pg60.

Well, the news looks promising. 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on February 23, 2010, 03:48:50 PM
Frozen pipes in Florida. That is just so wrong!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pg60 on February 23, 2010, 04:28:28 PM
Frozen pipes in Florida. That is just so wrong!

I was born & raised near Chicago & went to school in Minneapolis.  Now I move to FL and my pipes burst  :crying:

There was exposed PVC with no wrap and it cracked like eggshells.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 23, 2010, 04:33:03 PM
                                                            BREAKING NEWS


                                                                           IT'S SNOWING IN AUSTIN TEXAS :ohmy:




              heh, it hasn't snowed here since 2004...       This is a big deal and very beautiful right now out my window.

                                                                Did someone say something about the F-IV build :arrow


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 23, 2010, 05:16:09 PM
   And Dan, Jim's going to try & get the "test" guitar. Hope it all worked out well. Had built them in Oxnard, so maybe should have sent someone from there to help with the setup? Whatever the case, things are now progressing. Jim just told me that John is still thinking about the Facebook thing, so might happen? Matter of busy he'll be? Alot of work doing it, so a bonus if he decides to.
   I guess Dan's #2 will actually be #3. Try not to think of that, Dan. The first was just a test one, that's all. The buggies have been worked out, exterminated, or whatever. Now the real fun starts! Not rubbing it in, am I?? :humour:
   Maybe, if someone has time, a pic of the first could be taken, sent to Jim, & then posted by someone? Would be really cool to see one.
   Forum-IV build? Can I still get in on it? Have I been sleeping? What's it like? :humour:
   And, my thanks to Matt for checking out the situation & getting back to me with some info. As he said, better to be late & right, than on time & not? :+1:
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 23, 2010, 05:41:50 PM
                                                  Thanks Jeff. Good information is definably a plus :+1: 

                                                         And thanks Matt for helping us out here.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 23, 2010, 06:04:30 PM
   Think all got the gist, but Matt was typing fast & meant to say "In our mind it's better to be correct and a little late, than incorrect and on time". Things should be going well now from this point. No more "what's going on". As usual, there was a reason for the delay of info & a good one. Just what most of us have come to expect from the Larrivee family. Now, can we all just get along? :humour:
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: appleknocker on February 26, 2010, 05:16:49 PM
Alright now.  I found this forum after coming down with a serious case of GAS.  After spending a few weeks on the forum I had progressed to a critical case of GAS.  The good news (for me) is that I have now been given the privilege of taking over the #15 slot on the Forum IV build.  Thank you PG60.  GAS cured.  Now for the onset of anticipation.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 26, 2010, 05:35:49 PM
   Welcome to the Forum. And nice grab on #15. There will be MANY posts when they are finally ready. Are being made right now! Just have to be patient??
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on February 26, 2010, 06:37:01 PM
Alright now.  I found this forum after coming down with a serious case of GAS.  After spending a few weeks on the forum I had progressed to a critical case of GAS.  The good news (for me) is that I have now been given the privilege of taking over the #15 slot on the Forum IV build.  Thank you PG60.  GAS cured.  Now for the onset of anticipation.

Welcome to the island, #15.

I'm #6 (according to JH...)

(This sounds like an episode of The Prisoner!)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on February 26, 2010, 06:42:05 PM
Welcome to the island, #15.

I'm #6 (according to JH...)

(This sounds like an episode of The Prisoner!)

 :roll
Now that I think of it, I should have asked for #9. (dedicated to Revolution #9 of course)
I'm #7 on the list.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 26, 2010, 06:43:08 PM
Welcome to the island, #15.

I'm #6 (according to JH...)

(This sounds like an episode of The Prisoner!)
  Heh, are you stuck on an Island? Most of us are still floating along the big river on a raft.  :laughin:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 26, 2010, 06:56:04 PM
   I had asked for the last build #, since no one else had. Was 24, then 23. Then 2 builds combined. I guess #'s don't mean much as long as it's a kick-a** guitar? Jim asked if I wanted the last of the first order or second, me deciding not to wait, so going for the first. Also not knowing of the orders being combined. Guess that one backfired! :ohmy:
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on February 26, 2010, 07:34:07 PM
  Heh, are you stuck on an Island? Most of us are still floating along the big river on a raft.  :laughin:

Well after I mentioned The Prisoner, I realized that might be a bad metaphor for those of us waiting on this build...

...nothing like that was intended.  :humour:



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: dkoloff on February 26, 2010, 07:49:01 PM
Mine was #25......as long as i get any number I will be happy!!!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: appleknocker on February 26, 2010, 09:47:48 PM
Like the Todd Snider lyric says "I'm just happy to be here at all"
#15


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Strings4Him on February 26, 2010, 10:17:05 PM
I was #21 until I backed out  :crying:  I wonder who got my slot?  I did end up getting the OO-03 and am very happy with it.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: link on February 26, 2010, 10:47:53 PM
Hey everyone. I just have a quick question. I joined the forum just as the deadline for the forum IV was happening and didn't really look much into it. However I been reading how excited you guys are and just learning more about the forum guitars and think that is pretty awesome that larrivee does that for their customers.

It makes me that much prouder to own my L-03r, knowing that they truly care about there customers. However my quick question is. What is the OO style body used for mostly. Is it as versatile as the L? Or is it more of a fingerstyle guitar? I am just curious. Thanks alot!

PS I forgot my donuts my first couple of post so here is some now...enjoy! :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2
 :bgrin:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on February 26, 2010, 11:08:53 PM
Hey everyone. I just have a quick question. I joined the forum just as the deadline for the forum IV was happening and didn't really look much into it. However I been reading how excited you guys are and just learning more about the forum guitars and think that is pretty awesome that larrivee does that for their customers.

It makes me that much prouder to own my L-03r, knowing that they truly care about there customers. However my quick question is. What is the OO style body used for mostly. Is it as versatile as the L? Or is it more of a fingerstyle guitar? I am just curious. Thanks alot!

PS I forgot my donuts my first couple of post so here is some now...enjoy! :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2
 :bgrin:


We are getting mahogany top 00s, like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1qjM16bpgw

Larrivee makes a great mahogany guitar, spruce or mahogany top...and I'm betting a cedar/mahogany L-03 would be outstanding as well, but that's probably not going to happen.   :?  Too bad, I like cedar tops. 

00 are more popular with fingerstyle players to be sure but I used to play mine with a pick from time to time and it was still a lot of fun. 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 26, 2010, 11:40:19 PM
   I'll post 3 different sizes, having no OO pics. There is one on this thread, but can't tell size from it. In the '09 GOTM (Guitar of the Month) thread, one of the last ones is of Denis playing a OO. Will give you an idea of size with someone playing it.
   First is an L, then an LS, ending with an OM.   

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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 27, 2010, 12:08:48 AM
  Jeff, here is a 00-09FM, F-III and a Martin OM-21 together.

(http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/7547/2760246250104334565S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2760246250104334565tULlpB)

  The backs are set evenly so you can see the length of each as well as the bout sizes.

(http://inlinethumb36.webshots.com/44643/2836492190104334565S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2836492190104334565fzNbFS)

  Another view. The 00 is on the right, F-III middle and OM-21 on left.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 27, 2010, 03:09:55 PM
   Thanks Dan. My pics aren't the best for comparison. Is our OO going to be as deep as yours? I don't want to dig through the whole thread for specs. The only ones I have are upper, 10 & 1/8, lower, 14 &1/8. Would love that extra depth, but seem to remember a little less than 4" @ the top of the upper, a hair over 4" on the bottom of the lower. Knowing your attention to detail, you'll have all of the specs posted in about 5 seconds! :humour:
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 27, 2010, 03:13:00 PM
   Just found it on ST's site. # 3/8 on the upper, 4 1/4 on the lower. Checked my Larrivee boob, but no OOs. How deep is yours?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 27, 2010, 03:55:20 PM
   Thanks Dan. My pics aren't the best for comparison. Is our OO going to be as deep as yours? I don't want to dig through the whole thread for specs. The only ones I have are upper, 10 & 1/8, lower, 14 &1/8. Would love that extra depth, but seem to remember a little less than 4" @ the top of the upper, a hair over 4" on the bottom of the lower. Knowing your attention to detail, you'll have all of the specs posted in about 5 seconds! :humour:
     Jeff
   Jeff I will need to find the exact specs. But the depth of the body was more than 4 3/8" at the end pin. But the smaller lower bout keeps the 00 a very playable "couch" guitar.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 27, 2010, 05:23:37 PM
   Thanks. Just what I want it for! :thumb
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: WPete on February 27, 2010, 06:15:17 PM
I'm thinking an L and a 00 might be good playmates.   :donut   :coffee

F-IV 00-03 mahogany top (from J Holler on the order e-mail)
body length ( without neck ) 19 3/8th
Width upper bout 10 1/8th
width lower bout  14 1/8th
depth at butt end of guitar 4 1/4th
depth at neck end of body  3 3/8th
one piece mahogany neck with ebony headstock overlay , silver border and pearl logo
ebony fingerboard
nut width 1 3/4th
2 3/16th* string spacing at bridge                                   
back strip
herringbone rosette
12 fret neck
(Waist: 8.25” from an earlier post from Jim)

L - Larrivee Body (from Larrivee website)
Lower Bout · 16”
Upper Bout · 11.625”
Waist · 10.25”
Depth · 4.75”
Overall Length · 40.75”
Scale Length · 25.5”
(My own mesurements of my L03)
Body Length 20 3/16
depth at butt end of guitar 4 1/2
depth at neck end of body  3 3/4
nut width 1 3/4th
2 3/16th* string spacing at bridge

Gives me GAS just reviewing the specs - wait, I'm on the waiting list already !!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 28, 2010, 12:35:05 AM
   Have an L, have never played a OO size. Will be a surprise & a good moment? The L, good for anything, the OO, good for alot. But my F-III, just damn good! Can't beat the LS size for versatility. Will be getting an OM/OOO It. Walnut/It. Spruce size soon, plus the OO. Put my L-10 up for sale, leaning towards smaller, more delicate guitars. Plus the need/want for some HOG! Both my F-III & my Italian guitar will stand up to heavy strumming if needed. Am really excited about the F-IV! Like getting a new, exotic car you've never driven!
   Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 28, 2010, 12:45:01 AM
  Just found it on ST's site. # 3/8 on the upper, 4 1/4 on the lower. Checked my Larrivee boob, but no OOs. How deep is yours?
 
            My F-III is 4 1/4 deep at the end and it's easy to see the F-III is smaller here.
       (http://inlinethumb36.webshots.com/44643/2836492190104334565S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2836492190104334565fzNbFS)
            
     The 00 on the right is 4 1/2 at least. I just thought some may want to see that because the specs. only say 4 1/4.
                                Of course the F-III was spec'ed at 4" and mine is 4 1/4" .


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 28, 2010, 12:58:58 AM
   Dan, the specs are posted right below my last post. So, the specs might be off? I had to measure the size of my F-III for a new case, a classical archtop that fits like a glove. Mine was a hair over 4" in the lower bout. Go figure? :?
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on February 28, 2010, 01:14:44 AM
My F-III is 4 1/16" at the end pin, three inches either side of the end pin it's 4" and at the apex of the curve from the end pin to the waist it is 3 15/16".


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 28, 2010, 01:41:46 AM
   Dan, the specs are posted right below my last post. So, the specs might be off? I had to measure the size of my F-III for a new case, a classical archtop that fits like a glove. Mine was a hair over 4" in the lower bout. Go figure? :?
     Jeff
My F-III is 4 1/16" at the end pin, three inches either side of the end pin it's 4" and at the apex of the curve from the end pin to the waist it is 3 15/16".

                    OK you two got me thinking and I am mistaken. I was thinking about my 1st LSV-11 and the 2cnd one. The 1st was at specs. and the 2cnd was more like a OMV. I was just playing my F-III and so I measured it and it is just like Rogers measurements which I would consider correct as was spec'ed out.
        Also my F-III is 15 1/4 at the lower bout and it was spec'ed at 15". I think that also is where I got that extra 1/4''  from.  This is small potatoes to most players, but 15" is the largest lower bout I can handle for an extended time. (torn rotator cuff etc.)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: link on February 28, 2010, 02:28:38 AM
Hey everyone, thanks so much for answering my question so quickly. I must say this is the most respectful and welcoming forum I have been apart of!

Thanks again for posting those pictures, and that video. That was a beautiful song. The thought of having a forum IV and potentially being able to one day play like that makes it really appealing haha.

I don't know if any of you guys know but I know that the orders have been placed and all that. But does anyone know if there is a waiting list if someone wants to pull out last minute? Or if there is any of those guitars available as of now? I also remember reading somewhere that they made some extra forum III do you know if that will be the case with this one?

THanks again everyone I truly appreciate it!



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on February 28, 2010, 02:50:01 AM
I suspect that Larrivee would only make "extras" if they were ordered by a dealer - in this case - Jim at trinity Guitars. So unless he ordered extras, there won't be any...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on February 28, 2010, 04:10:14 AM
I don't know if any of you guys know but I know that the orders have been placed and all that. But does anyone know if there is a waiting list if someone wants to pull out last minute? Or if there is any of those guitars available as of now? I also remember reading somewhere that they made some extra forum III do you know if that will be the case with this one?

I think that one or two people in the F-IV queue will consider dropping out and getting another to take over their place in line.  Stay tuned, so to speak...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: ST on February 28, 2010, 04:20:49 AM
Hi link,

In your shoes I would contact Jim Holler at Trinity and discuss this with him.

You'll find contact information for him on the Forum Guitars page - Forum IV section (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Forum_Guitars#Forum_IV)


Hey everyone, thanks so much for answering my question so quickly. I must say this is the most respectful and welcoming forum I have been apart of!

Thanks again for posting those pictures, and that video. That was a beautiful song. The thought of having a forum IV and potentially being able to one day play like that makes it really appealing haha.

I don't know if any of you guys know but I know that the orders have been placed and all that. But does anyone know if there is a waiting list if someone wants to pull out last minute? Or if there is any of those guitars available as of now? I also remember reading somewhere that they made some extra forum III do you know if that will be the case with this one?

THanks again everyone I truly appreciate it!




Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on February 28, 2010, 04:25:57 AM
Hi link,

In your shoes I would contact Jim Holler at Trinity and discuss this with him.

You'll find contact information for him on the Forum Guitars page - Forum IV section (http://toonz.ca/bose/wiki/index.php?title=Larriv%C3%A9e_Forum_Guitars#Forum_IV)


  This is what I had typed but ST beat me to it.

Also I do expect some extras to be made. They do it just in case one gets damaged and sometimes they may get inquires from dealers wanting to order a few. They won't have the Forum label and numbering but they will be the same 00-03MT.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on February 28, 2010, 04:05:28 PM
   And sorry about the test guitar, Dan. Told Matt that you wanted it, but Jim said he was going to try & get his hands on it. Now you know were you stand in the Larrivee pecking order! :humour:
    I don't think that one will count in the series. So, a "1 of 1" guitar? Don't know how that one will be labeled. Or, if Jim is going to sell it. Sounded like he just wanted to get his hands on it? The first Gallahger/Holler guitar is not for sale, so might hang on to this one for a little?
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: link on March 01, 2010, 06:56:54 AM
Thanks again everyone. I sent an e-mail to Jim at Trinity, hopefully hear back from him soon.

If there are any forum members that are thinking of backing out I would really appreciate it if you let me know and hopefully I could take your spot for you. Thanks again.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 01, 2010, 12:30:13 PM
Thanks again everyone. I sent an e-mail to Jim at Trinity, hopefully hear back from him soon.

If there are any forum members that are thinking of backing out I would really appreciate it if you let me know and hopefully I could take your spot for you. Thanks again.
            A forum member is selling his limited edition 00-03 which is not a mahogany top or a forum guitar, but is very similar. Click this link or cut and paste for his profile and a PM option.

                http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=2010

This is "LawDogStrgsAttach" and it says in his sig. that the 00-03 is for sale and to PM him. You have 10 posts now so you can send and recieve PM's if you are interested.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on March 01, 2010, 07:28:49 PM
So...if Larrivee has finished a "prototype" (so to speak) of our Forum IV, is there any way to convince the good folks at Larrivee Canada to take a few pics so we can see what it looks like? I'd love to see both front and back - want to see the herringbone soundhole and the backstrip...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on March 01, 2010, 11:44:58 PM
I suspect that Larrivee would only make "extras" if they were ordered by a dealer - in this case - Jim at trinity Guitars. So unless he ordered extras, there won't be any...

They were extras made of the FIII in case any got screwed up along the way. There were 10 (11 if you count Johnny37s second IS/RW). Perhaps there were so many because there were 78 orders.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 02, 2010, 12:54:31 AM
   As far as extras, we'll have to wait & see. Asked Matt to see if John could tale some pics of the "test" F-IV & send them to Jim or whoever to post. Didn't get a response on that one. I'll pay for the disposable camera, just let me know where to send it? :humour:
   He still wasn't sure if John would have time to do the Facebook pics again. It would be nice just to see a few here to satisfy the hungry! I'm hungry! :thumb
   And when I spoke with Matt last week (2/22), he said that now that the test one was done, things were going to procede @ a rapid rate. Hopefully not too fast? :bgrin:
   If there are 28 orders, they might be done sooner than we thought, now that all seems to moving along smoothly. That April date might be out, late March better for some to start flowing in? Build times for the F-III's were 6-7 weeks, so might be first week in April. Or second. Out of our hands & in the hands of the masters! Just a guessing game now. Cross our fingers. And, since the OO-03 Limiteds came with a deluxe archtop case, which might be the only ones they have, that might be a little surprise for all? Please?
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on March 02, 2010, 03:20:42 AM
And, since the OO-03 Limiteds came with a deluxe archtop case, which might be the only ones they have, that might be a little surprise for all? Please?
     Jeff

Yes, I mentioned that before ... certainly hope it turns out to be so!

 :nice guitar: CASE!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 02, 2010, 03:36:39 AM
  We went through this before and Jim said to expect the standard case.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: link on March 02, 2010, 03:54:50 AM
            A forum member is selling his limited edition 00-03 which is not a mahogany top or a forum guitar, but is very similar. Click this link or cut and paste for his profile and a PM option.

                http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?action=profile;u=2010

This is "LawDogStrgsAttach" and it says in his sig. that the 00-03 is for sale and to PM him. You have 10 posts now so you can send and recieve PM's if you are interested.

Dependan.

Thanks for the heads up. I appreciate it! If I can't get my hands on a Forum IV I would for sure be interested. I will have to contact him now as it doesn't look like anyone wants to give up their spot. I also contacted Jim and he wasn't sure if there would be any extras as of now.

 I am just wondering what would the main difference be tone wise with a mahogany tope vs the spruce? I am sorry if this isn't the place to ask the question I just don't want to make a new thread for the sake of it, if I should make a new thread I will. I am also going to do a search right now. However I would gladly hear your opinion and any others.



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 02, 2010, 04:13:15 AM
Dependan.

Thanks for the heads up. I appreciate it! If I can't get my hands on a Forum IV I would for sure be interested. I will have to contact him now as it doesn't look like anyone wants to give up their spot. I also contacted Jim and he wasn't sure if there would be any extras as of now.

 I am just wondering what would the main difference be tone wise with a mahogany tope vs the spruce? I am sorry if this isn't the place to ask the question I just don't want to make a new thread for the sake of it, if I should make a new thread I will. I am also going to do a search right now. However I would gladly hear your opinion and any others.


 This is a good question for this thread. We aren't doing much else but speculating anyway.
  Some say an all mahogany guitar is more subdued than one with a spruce top. And that's an over simplification in my view. It may not be as loud, but it has a sweet tone that is very appealing. It is warm, deeper and darker than spruce. Others can add many better descriptions than I can.
  It's best to hear one in person if you can. In a 00 size my view is the all mahogany model will have a unique tone signature with the Larrivee build and bracing. I think the all mahogany will also have less of the "boxy" sound sometimes associated with 00's and parlors.
       But I also really liked my spruce topped 00 flamed maple very much. The one 00 Mahogany spruce I have played didn't sound too great to me. But it was not the 00-03. (My 2 cents worth.)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frederico on March 02, 2010, 04:09:50 PM
While many of us are anxiously waiting for news from Larrivee about building of the guitars, may I ask for your opinion on what pick up you will install to this small bodied guitar?

I plan to play it as a cough guitar at home but also want to make it ready to play at church if needed be.  I'm choosing between K&K Pure Mini and LR Baggs iBeam Active.  I’m confident that iBeam Active is an excellent choice but is skeptical of having a battery sitting inside a small guitar. Any comments?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 02, 2010, 04:20:21 PM
   Dan, must have missed the case post. If Larrivee hasn't made these OO size guitars that much, include the deluxe case on the limited -03s (those not costing much more or the same as ours), what did they do? Have 28 cases made just for us? Sounds like an LS Forum build to be carried on, in some sort of Limited. Just watch. OO-03s will be popping up soon. Different than ours, but still would be a popular guitar for Larrivee. They don't waste time with getting things retooled, or the proper tooling sent to Vancouver, just for our build. Could have kept them in Oxnard. You rattled their brains a little & gave them a good idea? :bowdown:
   Hey, maybe you'll get your F-IV for free, for all of the input you gave them? :humour:  I'll put a vote in for you. But, then, can't forget Denis & others! :?
     Jeff
   


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: appleknocker on March 02, 2010, 11:25:00 PM
Are we still looking at t late March delivery?   Or did I just make that up?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: WPete on March 02, 2010, 11:48:25 PM
While many of us are anxiously waiting for news from Larrivee about building of the guitars, may I ask for your opinion on what pick-up you will install to this small bodied guitar? .....
Fun to think of mods while we wait - after watching this guy on a PV :
 http://www.youtube.com/user/lpattis#p/u
I was impressed both with his playing and the sound so asked what he was using, I'm thinking this might be a real good option.
 - from Larry Pattis - quoting his post from > Artists forum > Larrivee Guitar players:
"I am a dedicated Highlander IP-1 user, for internal electronics.  No need for a second source, and the IP-1 provides a rich, full and complex sound...having been a retailer for many years, and as a musician with access to everything out there, I find the Highlander is the absolute best solution for my live/plugged-in sound.  I always use a high quality reverb and front-end pre-amp - typically it's the Dr. Scientist Reverberator (a 24 bit foot-pedal reverb...superior to anything I have heard, portable, and with the right sound for acoustic guitar) and the Highlander PAMDI as the pre.  I also use the Bose T1 from time to time...but the Dr. Scientist reverb and the Highlander PAMDI are the superior sound."



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 03, 2010, 12:22:15 AM
   Dan, must have missed the case post. If Larrivee hasn't made these OO size guitars that much, include the deluxe case on the limited -03s (those not costing much more or the same as ours), what did they do? Have 28 cases made just for us? Sounds like an LS Forum build to be carried on, in some sort of Limited. Just watch. OO-03s will be popping up soon. Different than ours, but still would be a popular guitar for Larrivee. They don't waste time with getting things retooled, or the proper tooling sent to Vancouver, just for our build. Could have kept them in Oxnard. You rattled their brains a little & gave them a good idea? :bowdown:
   Hey, maybe you'll get your F-IV for free, for all of the input you gave them? :humour:  I'll put a vote in for you. But, then, can't forget Denis & others! :?
     Jeff
   
  Jeff I am confused about the cases and the rest of the info. in your recent posts. Have I missed some announcement or something?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 03, 2010, 12:59:44 AM
   Dan, the OO-03 Limiteds came with a deluxe case, probably because that's all they have. Why are we getting regular ones if that's the case? The rest is nothing more than giving credit where it's due. Wasn't the OO-03MT mainly your brainchild? That's all the references are made to be. Do you honestly think a OO-03MT isn't in Larrivees future? Being a betting man, I'll put money on it. Why waste moving all of the tooling to Vancouver from Oxnard where it was? That's where the OO-03 Limiteds were built. Oxnard. All had to be sent up to Canada & then the workers there had to figure out how to remember to build one. Considering that most weren't around when they were being made?
   That's all was meant & didn't think it would cause a problem. Sorry if you took all the wrong way. Not meant like that. Thought I could joke around with you, as you do sometimes with your posts, but won't anymore. My regrets. And regards.
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 03, 2010, 01:26:10 AM
   Dan, the OO-03 Limiteds came with a deluxe case, probably because that's all they have. Why are we getting regular ones if that's the case? The rest is nothing more than giving credit where it's due. Wasn't the OO-03MT mainly your brainchild? That's all the references are made to be. Do you honestly think a OO-03MT isn't in Larrivees future? Being a betting man, I'll put money on it. Why waste moving all of the tooling to Vancouver from Oxnard where it was? That's where the OO-03 Limiteds were built. Oxnard. All had to be sent up to Canada & then the workers there had to figure out how to remember to build one. Considering that most weren't around when they were being made?
   That's all was meant & didn't think it would cause a problem. Sorry if you took all the wrong way. Not meant like that. Thought I could joke around with you, as you do sometimes with your posts, but won't anymore. My regrets. And regards.
     Jeff
  No "problem" Jeff. Just confusion on my understanding the posts.
 As far as the cases go Jim did tell me when this came up earlier to expect the standard 03 case. So I just pass along what he told me. No worries mate. :donut


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on March 03, 2010, 02:24:00 AM
   Dan, the OO-03 Limiteds came with a deluxe case, probably because that's all they have. Why are we getting regular ones if that's the case? The rest is nothing more than giving credit where it's due. Wasn't the OO-03MT mainly your brainchild? That's all the references are made to be. Do you honestly think a OO-03MT isn't in Larrivees future? Being a betting man, I'll put money on it. Why waste moving all of the tooling to Vancouver from Oxnard where it was? That's where the OO-03 Limiteds were built. Oxnard. All had to be sent up to Canada & then the workers there had to figure out how to remember to build one. Considering that most weren't around when they were being made?
   That's all was meant & didn't think it would cause a problem. Sorry if you took all the wrong way. Not meant like that. Thought I could joke around with you, as you do sometimes with your posts, but won't anymore. My regrets. And regards.
     Jeff

Jeff, Do you know for a fact that they moved the tooling up to Canada?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: AZLiberty on March 03, 2010, 02:55:08 AM
Jeff, Do you know for a fact that they moved the tooling up to Canada?

We had that from Matt, but it's not that much tooling.  Other than the molds for the sides I can't think of anything that would have to be shipped.  That's the only tooling that is really model specific.  The TAP files for the CNC equipment one can just e-mail.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 03, 2010, 11:18:10 PM
   Matt had said that the main tooling was in Oxnard, where the OO-03 Limiteds were made. He mentioned the side-bending tools had to be sent & the workers, to make sure the gits were made right, build the test one. Made it sound like all came out great & he believed they were progressing @ an accelerated rate (his words). This was on 1/22, so progress is being made?
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on March 04, 2010, 01:00:07 AM
  Matt had said that the main tooling was in Oxnard, where the OO-03 Limiteds were made. He mentioned the side-bending tools had to be sent & the workers, to make sure the gits were made right, build the test one. Made it sound like all came out great & he believed they were progressing @ an accelerated rate (his words). This was on 1/22, so progress is being made?
     Jeff

You meant 2/22.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 04, 2010, 04:55:13 PM
    Don't tell me what I meant! Oops, you're right. All right, I was off a month! :humour:  Man, nitpicking'. Should have said "this year"! :bgrin:  Still, progress is being made.
   As far as the cases, Jim was told we would get -03 series ones? Missed that one. If this is a size that is normally made in higher series guitars, the OO-03 spruce tops coming with a deluxe archtop case (check out the one on Dave's GA site), they are either giving us an oddball case as in the F-IIIs (OM case) or having a bunch made for future use. As I told Dan, this OO-03MT provided them with a new -03 series size, which I guarantee will be popular. Just wish we get the deluxe ones. Had to go out & buy a case that fit my F-III & protected it as it deserves to be. The Pings aren't even an issue on my F-III, but for looks, am swapping them out for open-gear tuners. LMII has some made for them by Gotoh with all metal parts.
    Jeffro


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 04, 2010, 05:08:20 PM
  Actually Jim just said to "expect the 03 series Cases".


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 04, 2010, 05:30:04 PM
   Just didn't think they made them, the OOs being used on higher end series. Must be having them made? Or, any idea what -03 series case it will fit in w/o lots of extra room? Thinks the parlor cases are close. And the only -03 series one that might fit? Hope Jim's wrong on this one. Not often he is, but a deluxe would fit it perfect. I don't want to deal with trying to find a case that fits it perfect. And I want it to say Larrivee on it!  :+1:
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Dotneck on March 04, 2010, 05:55:09 PM
   Just didn't think they made them, the OOs being used on higher end series. Must be having them made? Or, any idea what -03 series case it will fit in w/o lots of extra room? Thinks the parlor cases are close. And the only -03 series one that might fit? Hope Jim's wrong on this one. Not often he is, but a deluxe would fit it perfect. I don't want to deal with trying to find a case that fits it perfect. And I want it to say Larrivee on it! 

I'll bet a donut that Larrivee will ship them in cases that fit properly....


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 04, 2010, 06:01:45 PM
   What about the F-III cases? OMs. What size -03 cases do you see them using? Is the parlor that close? Not causing dissention, just trying to figure out the case.
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on March 04, 2010, 06:09:38 PM
Would rather know the Tuners as heard they may have stopped using Pings. Would like to know in order to have Mr. HOLLER plan for immediate replacement or not  :?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 04, 2010, 06:15:33 PM
   Am already ordering some, sending one set to Jim to install. Think you should expect Ping minis. Have had no problems on my F-III with them, just want open-geared ones.
   Don't you want a case that will fit? Had to stuff some things in my F-III case to keep the guitar from moving everytime I picked up the case. No big deal @ first, but got a little sick of it after a while? Ended up finding a proper case for a righteous guitar!
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on March 04, 2010, 09:16:47 PM
   Am already ordering some, sending one set to Jim to install. Think you should expect Ping minis. Have had no problems on my F-III with them, just want open-geared ones.
   Don't you want a case that will fit? Had to stuff some things in my F-III case to keep the guitar from moving everytime I picked up the case. No big deal @ first, but got a little sick of it after a while? Ended up finding a proper case for a righteous guitar!
     Jeff

You're saying that Larrivee didn't have a proper fitting case for the F-III guitars? LS body, right?  Seems strange?  :?

As to what we'll get with the F-IV: whoever makes these cases for Larrivee, they already have the basic case body available; all they would have to do would be to build a cheaper, flat lid to attach to the current body and - "wa-la" - cheaper case for the 00-03 guitars (esp. if Larrivee keeps making these as a standard model).

I, too, would prefer the archtop case, but seriously, for the price of this guitar, it wouldn't be out of line to be getting a "soft" case / gigbag (I know, I know - "SHHHHH!!!").


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on March 04, 2010, 09:42:19 PM
The FIII case is basically a Larrivee flat top classical case, isn't it?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: srk635 on March 04, 2010, 09:47:15 PM
I stumbled upon this forum and this thread while researching my new guitar buying process. Great stuff here and I am more leaning towards Larrivee from Taylor after a while in this forum. Price and quality seems to better suit me.

Can somebody PM me the price of the F-IV? I see the deadline is Jan. Is there a way to get in on it if I decide to get the Larrivee? Appreciate any help.

-R


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: prof_stack on March 04, 2010, 09:56:28 PM
I stumbled upon this forum and this thread while researching my new guitar buying process. Great stuff here and I am more leaning towards Larrivee from Taylor after a while in this forum. Price and quality seems to better suit me.

Can somebody PM me the price of the F-IV? I see the deadline is Jan. Is there a way to get in on it if I decide to get the Larrivee? Appreciate any help.

-R
Welcome to the forum!  Contact Jim Holler @ trinityguitars.com   
He can put you on a type of wait list for people who might back out.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 04, 2010, 10:12:44 PM
The FIII case is basically a Larrivee flat top classical case, isn't it?
 They gave us OM-03 cases. Which are OK and smell great, but fit like a pair of shoes that's too large. So you put on extra socks. Which is what I did ie. stuff a few socks in there to hold it tight.
   But then I bought a Martin 5 ply Gieb style case that hugs it like a baby. It is also an OM/000 case but Marin sizes are a tad smaller than Larrivees so it fits real nice.


      As far as the 00 goes we "may" get the archtop case, BUT we don't know for sure that we will.
      However I know that the case will be the right fit on the F-IV. :+1:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on March 04, 2010, 10:35:09 PM
Where do you put the socks?  Mine really fits fine.  Not tight but no need for extra socks.   :? 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: AZLiberty on March 04, 2010, 11:31:44 PM
 They gave us OM-03 cases. Which are OK and smell great, but fit like a pair of shoes that's too large. So you put on extra socks. Which is what I did ie. stuff a few socks in there to hold it tight.
  

???  My F-III case is significantly smaller than my case for my OM-03R.  Both fit fine.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 04, 2010, 11:40:48 PM
   Denis, the cases for the F-IIIs were OM cases. Sold mine to someone looking for an OM case, fit like a glove. The F-III, a classical case I bought fit it like a glove. Like I said, wasn't a big deal @ first, but was stuffing cloths in the case to keep it from moving around. I bought an archtop classical case that fits. This came up before, many saying a classical size seemed to fit perfect. Didn't believe them until I measured all. Doesn't matter, as long as you're happy.
   Like I said, spent $120 on a case that will protect my baby. Money well spent. Was advertised as a classical, was told to measure my F-III & found the bouts were about 1/4" larger. So, 1/8" bigger on each side. Like a glove! OM case. The person thanked me for lowering the price to $25, just to make room in my place. Said it was a perfect fit. The tuners & the cases were 2 of the big discussions after all got their guitars. LOTS of posts. I posted to just put a cloth or 2 in the case & it worked. Just got sick of doing it every time? :?
     Jeff
   And I put my socks on my feet, as Dan does now that he has a case that, as I said, is proper for the guitar. Those cases are a non-issue now. I'm wondering about the F-IV ones. Dan, you're right about alot, so I hpe this isn't any different.
   Denis, being serious, I know you just can't wait to get your hands on the OO. Makes me think of the pic of you playing that spruce top one. Pretty sight!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on March 05, 2010, 12:13:06 AM
Well, if it's an OM case, it fits just fine.  I've never felt like it's moving around when I've taken it out of the house? 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 05, 2010, 12:30:07 AM
   Denis, by the way, love your playing. I can't finger pick due to playing backwards (might figure out a way?), you being soo good. Whatever the hell the case is! :humour: :+1:
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on March 05, 2010, 12:48:24 AM
No, the FIII cases do not fit perfectly, but for me, it's close enough.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 05, 2010, 12:51:55 AM
Where do you put the socks?  Mine really fits fine.  Not tight but no need for extra socks.   :? 


???  My F-III case is significantly smaller than my case for my OM-03R.  Both fit fine.

                 I think y'all must have got different cases than some of us. There was a lot of discussion about this last year and several have bought new cases. We were all trying out different ones and some even found the Larrivee LS archtop cases, but not many were available.
                 I think a classical case would fit the F-III very snugly. But mine is definitely an OM flat topped case.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: AZLiberty on March 05, 2010, 06:02:06 AM
???  My F-III case is significantly smaller than my case for my OM-03R.  Both fit fine.

I am going to have to retract my earlier statement.

Upon careful inspection, my F-III case appears to be smaller than my OM-03 Case in outside dimension only.  Plus it's only about 1/2" smaller.  I can easily tell which case is which when racked next to each other, but the interior dimensions are the same.  The cases (and guitars) were made 10 years apart, so Larrivee may have changed vendors at some point.

Although the F-III case holds the guitar snugly at the lower bout and at the top of the upper bout, there is a gap along the sides of the upper bout.  And my OM-03RE fits in both cases equally well.

I don't think the F-III case needs additional padding for ordinary use.  For flying or shipping, I might add additional padding on the sides (and around the neck of course).  But I don't fly with my Larrivees, I have a sacrificial guitar I take when flying. (Chinese Tacoma copy)


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Dotneck on March 05, 2010, 01:04:54 PM
I don't think the F-III case needs additional padding for ordinary use.  For flying or shipping, I might add additional padding on the sides (and around the neck of course).  But I don't fly with my Larrivees, I have a sacrificial guitar I take when flying. (Chinese Tacoma copy)

I also think they are fine for ordinary use....and considered if they would be safe for shipping. 

Larrivee must think they are fine for shipping...in fact, they all were shipped in those cases at least once already!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 05, 2010, 02:23:02 PM
  What is stated above is some of our experience. If I remember right the F-III will also slide back and forth lengthwise also.
 I would not use the case for travel at all. That's why I bought the "HEAVY" 5 ply Martin case that it fits perfectly in. I don't want number 1 of 78 crunched in an airplane hold. Though I have not had to store it there yet. I have managed to take it with me and stow it overhead.
   I like to take my F-III with me when I travel. I love to hear the comments of other players as they try it out. It has always been positive statements and sometimes amazement from some pretty good pickers.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 05, 2010, 02:46:49 PM
   Dan, my experiences have been the same. Everyone that plays my F-III (same wood combo as yours) are in awe of the sound it produces. Then, when I tell them what I paid, they want to know where to get one. :drool: Just smile & tell them to look real hard! :thumb
   If we post enough about the F-IV case & what we hope it will be, Matt will probably read it & if in a good mood, surprise us with deluxe ones. After he talks to Johnny & Dad!
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 05, 2010, 02:54:48 PM
   Dan, my experiences have been the same. Everyone that plays my F-III (same wood combo as yours) are in awe of the sound it produces. Then, when I tell them what I paid, they want to know where to get one. :drool: Just smile & tell them to look real hard! :thumb
   If we post enough about the F-IV case & what we hope it will be, Matt will probably read it & if in a good mood, surprise us with deluxe ones. After he talks to Johnny & Dad!
     Jeff
  Jeff I'm not sure about that. This is not putting a good light on Larrivee for us to say the cases didn't fit. So they may react the other way. This forum probably drive the up a wall at times.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tadol on March 05, 2010, 03:42:02 PM
I'm sure the case will be the one they costed out when they were putting the pricing together for this deal. People wanted the price kept as low as possible, so I think they will be the -03 cases, just like the F3s. Nothing wrong with them -


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tuffythepug on March 05, 2010, 04:19:46 PM
Since I didn't order an FIV I don't have a personal stake in this.  However, a word of caution.....

Here is a pic of a portion of the Vancouver plant.    This is what happened to the last person who complained about their Larrivee case.    :whistling:

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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 05, 2010, 04:55:27 PM
 :roll  YUP


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: flatlander on March 05, 2010, 05:23:31 PM
Since I didn't order an FIV I don't have a personal stake in this.  However, a word of caution.....

Here is a pic of a portion of the Vancouver plant.    This is what happened to the last person who complained about their Larrivee case.    :whistling:
Well pretty close, but I didn't get to reap the desired wieght loss.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on March 05, 2010, 06:34:09 PM
You're not fooling anybody, Tuffy. That's tusq, not bone.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 05, 2010, 06:59:08 PM
   Anybody see any OO-03 cases in that bunch? :humour:  Q, you're pretty good @ telling the difference between things, such as bone & Tusq. Can you spot any? The cases won't be an issue until the guitars come. I don't care if it's an -03 series one, as long as it fits. I think the parlor is close. And, if we're an angst to Larrivee, all is misunderstood. It's a Forum. A place to shoot ideas, problems, hopes, & dreams back & forth. And, our love of Larrivees. How, with all of that, can we cause ill will? We're all brothers & sisters here, our comments just being that. Comments. If we can't speak our mind, in a tactful way if necessary, what's the point?
   And that's not Tusq. Fossilized bone from another culture? Back when our minds weren't as big & full of knowledge? :humour:
   About putting a good light about the cases, we all know what they were, how they fit, & it not being a problem. Unless you're as anal as some of us? :humour:
   Why can't we say that about the cases. Seems it was said by the same person a few posts before? And as was said, was a big issue with some last year. Wasn't with me, just doing the Dan method of padding the case a little. Again, worked until I got sick of the cloths. My super-duper archtop case says Larrivee on it. Fits because there's a Larrivee guitar inside?
   Tad, I agree about the cost. I'll take an -03 case with the F-IV. Come as you are, as the song says? Deal with it later, if an issue. This is all just talk. Matt probably reads most of this stuff & just laughs. Most?
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on March 05, 2010, 07:08:32 PM
This is just a guess but maybe due to the lean times Larrivee decided to build some 00 size guitars that were affordable. Seeing as they had the tooling at Oxnard maybe they decided to build them there.  Maybe they already had some 00 deluxe cases in stock and built that many 00's to eliminate some excess inventory.
Like I said, just a thought. there has to be a reasonable explanation why they used deluxe cases for the special 00-03 run.
Not trying to rain on anybody's parade, but better to expect the 03 case and if something nicer is supplied, great.  No point in setting yourself up for any disappointments.
This post is not directed at any individual, just wouldn't want anyone to be unhappy in the end.
TGIF     :donut2  :donut2  :donut2  :coffee  :coffee  :coffee

 :beer  :beer  :beer


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 05, 2010, 07:14:13 PM
   Well spoken. Now, a moment of silence? :humour:
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on March 05, 2010, 07:15:01 PM
Okay, okay, okay...enough talk about the cases already!  We're not gonna change anything (or make anything get built faster) by talking about it (and talking about it, and talking about it...).

Let's change the subject (for a page or two...  :smile: ):

Has anyone decided to have Jim install a pickup/electronics in your F-IV?  If so, what are you getting? Does Jim recommend anything in particular? I know a lot of us talk about these being "couch" guitars, but I wouldn't mind being able to plug in on occasion.

What's worked for you in other Larrivees? I have an old Martin piezo (with battery) in my OM-05 and I still think it sounds pretty good. Had a K&K mini-Western (no preamp) in my LV-09, and liked it, but felt that it needed some extra eq to bring out the best in it.

Others?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on March 05, 2010, 07:35:19 PM
Had a K&K mini-Western (no preamp) in my LV-09, and liked it, but felt that it needed some extra eq to bring out the best in it.

Others?

Was your K&K glued in or did you use the double stick tape?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frederico on March 05, 2010, 08:17:21 PM
While many of us are anxiously waiting for news from Larrivee about building of the guitars, may I ask for your opinion on what pick up you will install to this small bodied guitar?

I plan to play it as a cough guitar at home but also want to make it ready to play at church if needed be.  I'm choosing between K&K Pure Mini and LR Baggs iBeam Active.  I’m confident that iBeam Active is an excellent choice but is skeptical of having a battery sitting inside a small guitar. Any comments?

Yes, Mickeymac, let's change topic to pick-up as I'd asked before.  Jim suggested LB Baggs active iBeam, which he always recommends.  But i already have an iBeam/Element mix installed in L-03R.  Howeverr I have heard rave reveiws on K&K Pure Mini, wonder if this is also a good choice.

Any more people have experience in using K&K in Larrivee's?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on March 05, 2010, 08:34:48 PM


Any more people have experience in using K&K in Larrivee's?


Never used anything but the K&Ks.  I got a K&K preamp too and that makes a big difference...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on March 05, 2010, 10:03:48 PM
I just want my 00 :guitar. Close to 4 months for me since I asked Jim about this.

I know how you feel..I sent Larrivee an email today, not sure I'll actually get a response, but I felt like I had to at least try...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 05, 2010, 10:19:19 PM
I know how you feel..I sent Larrivee an email today, not sure I'll actually get a response, but I felt like I had to at least try...
  Well we are just the customers after all. :blush:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on March 06, 2010, 12:03:50 AM
Happy 6000 Danny.   :donut2


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 06, 2010, 12:09:09 AM
Happy 6000 Danny.   :donut2
  Thanks Roger, you are one of the reasons I stick around here. lot's of good folks to be found on this forum. :donut


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 06, 2010, 12:27:39 AM
   Hey Dan, congrats on your milestone! Have to look hard to find those with more. A couple of them maybe? :humour:  And I KNOW I'm not the reason you keep coming back, but all's meant well & enjoy having our fun. The smirk smiley makes me think of the pics I've seen of you. Just a happy guy, but possessing knowledge us mere mortals are not privy to? Think it's the squintin' from the Texan sun blasting down on you!!! :+1:
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 06, 2010, 12:38:03 AM
  Jeff, you are fine. Thanks. :donut         ...oh and  :blush:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 06, 2010, 12:47:09 AM
   Thanks. Love that face!!! :donut :donut :donut :donut2 :donut :donut :donut
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 06, 2010, 05:29:56 AM
        Larri in a Marty case...
(http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/47387/2866457330104334565S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2866457330104334565OfOBJB)
        Snug as a bug in a rug.


                      Here's one for the balcony booing section.
(http://inlinethumb23.webshots.com/43798/2399684130104334565S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2399684130104334565wEEnnc)
 OOPS... that's not a Larrivee, that's a mess  :blush:. But see how it is the same basic size as the F-III only deeper.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: PCT57 on March 06, 2010, 07:42:08 AM
I like to dip into this thread and read every so often even though I am not getting a guitar   :crying:

It's very interesting, entertaining and amusing at times - keep it up cause it beats watching TV over here in the UK hands down   :thumb


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 06, 2010, 01:22:26 PM
I like to dip into this thread and read every so often even though I am not getting a guitar   :crying:

It's very interesting, entertaining and amusing at times - keep it up cause it beats watching TV over here in the UK hands down   :thumb
                                                                                        We try...
   Here are the mini tuners I ordered and put larger Grover style buttons on after making the sockets fit.
                     (http://inlinethumb32.webshots.com/46111/2615434010104334565S425x425Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2615434010104334565TRelZs)
            This is the look I'd like on my F-IV. Only Gotoh machines would be nicer and the buttons minis


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 07, 2010, 04:31:02 PM
   Dan, I assume the Koa topped guitar is your work in progress. Nice top!! What size is it? OM or OOO? Keep us posted, as I know a new thread will blossom when it is done. Look forward to it.
   Thanks for the pics. See your F-III, want to take mine right out & play it!
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 07, 2010, 05:03:32 PM
  It is slightly smaller than the F-III in the bouts and waist but deeper bodied. Close to a deep bodied Nick Lucas. I have two threads on this one already.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 07, 2010, 06:35:24 PM
   Sorry. Didn't know. Will search them out. Thanks.
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on March 09, 2010, 01:24:27 PM
Still no news?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 09, 2010, 01:37:37 PM
Still no news?
  Nothing.   I asked on the Larrivee site on Facebook and whoever is answering the questions there said they would try to find out something. I think that could be "Cherokee Guitar Co." since they are the online Larrivee reps.
            If I find out anything I'll post it. I am hoping for something definitive and not hearsay.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on March 09, 2010, 01:42:16 PM
  Nothing.   I asked on the Larrivee site on Facebook and whoever is answering the questions there said they would try to find out something. I think that could be "Cherokee Guitar Co." since they are the online Larrivee reps.
            If I find out anything I'll post it. I am hoping for something definitive and not hearsay.

I'm usually pretty patient but after 4 months, obviously I'm wondering what's going on?

I hope you get us some news Danny.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 09, 2010, 01:53:54 PM
    With all the e-mails from here to Larrivee and the posts that we know are at least read at times it's obvious that this is being ignored and put on a back burner.
     I was playing a "mahogany" 00015 yesterday and it was sure a sweet one. Just saying I could have had it right then and there from a local dealer who knows me and has taken very good care of me when I buy from them.
     
          I know we will get a nice 00 someday and all that, but a little "genuine" Larrivee information is needed now.

      Cherokee Guitar/Larrivee is going to be in Austin next week for SXSW and I'll be there to see what they have. Maybe we can expect something to come forth in the next week or so. :?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 09, 2010, 02:53:07 PM
   Dan & Denis I'm there with you. Have 2 options for a new guitar, one forcing me to sell my slot. Don't want to, has been long enough w/o any definitive new. Yes, a Martin OOO-15s, Honduran HOG, bone nut & saddle, lightly colored, (not as dark as a normal -15 series), Gotoh 510s, & more from the Custom Shop, brand new. -17 series gloss, but like a -28 series finish. Will arrive soon. The other is zork's OOO-50. For that one, would have to give up my slot (promised already), so a move I don't want to do.
   We all have some kind of patience, but a breaking point is easy to reach & react to. Just have to wait it out? :?
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on March 09, 2010, 04:26:50 PM
Hmmm...what's all the fuss about? We know that the guitar are being built in Vancouver, we know that the prototype has been finished, they've told us they've started building the guitars...

...and this is only the 2nd full week of March.  I'd say we should just relax (and believe me, I'm as anxious as ANYONE to have another Larrivee, especially a Forum guitar, finally!).  I'd rather have Larrivee focusing their staff and their time and energy on building quality guitars rather than taking pictures and trying to keep a website updated.  I know that's been part of the 'fun' in the past, but maybe in this economy they just don't have the extra hands to make that happen.

Something tells me that in the next two-three weeks, Jim is going to hear that some guitars have been shipped...  :thumb


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tadol on March 09, 2010, 04:53:59 PM
Emails and all requests for info really should be going to Jim, the official dealer who is coordinating this order, and when he has info, he should post it here.

While it would be nice if the Larrivees communicated more directly with the Forum, they don't - I know the anxiety y'all are going through, but direct your inquiries to Jim, and (justifiably) assume that everyone at the factory is far too busy building your guitars to respond to every inquiry they get.

 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on March 09, 2010, 05:00:59 PM
Emails and all requests for info really should be going to Jim, the official dealer who is coordinating this order, and when he has info, he should post it here.

While it would be nice if the Larrivees communicated more directly with the Forum, they don't - I know the anxiety y'all are going through, but direct your inquiries to Jim, and (justifiably) assume that everyone at the factory is far too busy building your guitars to respond to every inquiry they get.

 

 :+1:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on March 09, 2010, 05:02:25 PM
Emails and all requests for info really should be going to Jim, the official dealer who is coordinating this order, and when he has info, he should post it here.

While it would be nice if the Larrivees communicated more directly with the Forum, they don't - I know the anxiety y'all are going through, but direct your inquiries to Jim, and (justifiably) assume that everyone at the factory is far too busy building your guitars to respond to every inquiry they get.

What he said...

...here's a question for you all: If we keep pestering Larrivee - or Jim Holler, for that matter - what are the chances they're going to want to do Forum V when the time comes? Again, I'd say just relax; they're building our guitars right now, even as we obsess! Let's not ruin it for future builds!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 09, 2010, 05:04:00 PM
What he said...

...here's a question for you all: If we keep pestering Larrivee - or Jim Holler, for that matter - what are the chances they're going to want to do Forum V when the time comes? Again, I'd say just relax; they're building our guitars right now, even as we obsess! Let's not ruin it for future builds!

  Here is a question for y'all. What are the chances we will want to do a F-V?  The door swings both ways in the end.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on March 09, 2010, 05:11:39 PM
  Here is a question for y'all. What are the chances we will want to do a F-V?  The door swings both ways in the end.

Danny, I understand what you're saying, and you've worked hard to pull this guitar together, and I truly appreciate it - thank you so much, once again!

But some of us are not as hung up about how long it's taking as others, evidently. I don't feel the least bit slighted by Larrivee over this build. I understand many of you had a very different experience with the last one that colors how you're experiencing this build process...but I think "the times, they are a changin'," and it's hard to expect Larrivee to do it the same way every time.

Maybe for some of you, part of what you were buying was the whole interaction and customer involvement aspect...and that's cool...that's actually a very important part of many companies' business model today; they're selling customer experience as much as the product. I'm not sure if that's part of Larrivee's business model, or their priorities. But I'm willing to go without that on a guitar that's this nice for this kind of a price. If it were $400-500 more, yeah, I might be expecting a website/facebook page...but not at this 'bare bones' price.

Again, all I'm saying is that this won't keep me from wanting to participate in another Forum Guitar build in the future. That's just me.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Dotneck on March 09, 2010, 05:13:32 PM
 Here is a question for y'all. What are the chances we will want to do a F-V?  The door swings both ways in the end.

depends on what get planned...I usually only order odd number forum guitars....I had a 1 and a three...skipped two and four...so maybe I'd need a V! Not interested in cedar though....maybe a sunburst SD-50 with adirondack top!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 09, 2010, 05:15:14 PM
  I do understand EVERY point and post made regarding this subject. I also will state how I feel about it. I have very few round edges. More like a porcupine than a gerbil. :donut
    
                     Y'all have a great day. :+1:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on March 09, 2010, 05:20:57 PM
Again, all I'm saying is that this won't keep me from wanting to participate in another Forum Guitar build in the future. That's just me.

Maybe part of the reason I feel this way is that I had a great experience buying my RS-4. I talked with Matthew on the phone (at his invitation); he addressed my concerns about why they switched from Lollar to the in-house pickups. He also told me they had three lefty Rootbeer burst models almost done, if I was interested in one, and that swayed me to that 'new' finish color that they were offering.

And the RS-4 guitar is amazing! It reminds me of when I got my first Larrivee in 1992...another great buying experience - pretty uncommon for us lefty players, I can tell you. The RS-4 experience just reinforced my already strong loyalty to Larrivee because I felt like they cared about me, the customer.  Every time I pick up and play one of those guitars, I know I'm holding an amazing, quality, toneful instrument.  Life is good.

So I have no complaints.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 09, 2010, 05:26:14 PM
   Tad, personally, haven't sent Larrivee any emails. Matt responded to me about a post on 2/22, telling me about the "test" git & that all seemed ready to progress rapidly. Wasn't quite as I interpreted @ first. Reread it & the seemed popped out @ me. As you say, Jim is the one to keep us up to date. He told me a few couple of weeks back that he would touch base with John & get some info. I emailed him, as Dan thought would be a good idea, just what Matt had told me. Said that he was going to try to get the test guitar to his shop. Nothing new from John. Matt also said not to count on the Facebook thing again, as they ARE busy up there.
   This is a grey area, as Jim should be supplied with some updates periodically. It's not like ordering one custom guitar. 28 were ordered. Jim should be trying to get more info, but he also is really busy. So, where do we stand? Just some updated info would be nice, Matt nice enough to tell me what was happening back then. Facebook? Don't really care, as I've seen many guitars built step-by-step. Approximate due date, where they are now, these are just things that would satisfy most. When I posted what Matt said, seemed to help for a day or two. Then the naysayers started with humor, that turning into other questions (same as the F-III build), now full circle back to where we were.
   I'm sure Dan will try to get an email to Jim. I'll send one also, but he is literally so busy now with his new shop & 2 new helpers. Just want to know where we stand, that's all. Not really asking much? Yes, I can picture in my head what the guitar will look like, so pics aren't needed. The second ordering date, which held up the first since they were combined & not put in until 1/16, messed everyone that placed an order on 12/15 up. Think those are the impatient ones, me being in that group? I asked Jim for the last serial #. Then he tells me that there are now 2 dates to order. Do I want the last from the first or from the second? He wasn't even aware of the combined order until later. Just thought it would be cool, like Dan wanting #2. When I asked him later about the last #, he said that they were already set. Lost my #23/23 because of this. Just a number. All I want is a nice guitar.
   Take their time, do it right, but let Jim know how all's progressing? :?
   Not asking much. Just one email. Matt contacted John either by phone or email to get the info he told me. Simple enough thing to do again?
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on March 09, 2010, 08:09:41 PM
Just heard from Jim H & from Matt L, too. We will be getting updates soon (I am confident now).
from Matt...
"I do know that the guitars are being built right now – and I believe they are at least half way completed. The last update I had was that one prototype was completed to verify that we would make them correctly. Once that prototype was completed production started right away."
and this from Jim Holler: (he is quoting John L here)
"all guitars have been started. most of them are approaching neck fit. that means the bodies have been built. i expect most of them will be finished by month end. that is my goal given any unforeseen issues. everything does seem to be rolling along just fine though. i would like to ship whatever i have at the end of the month. i will try to send a few photos."


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on March 09, 2010, 08:30:56 PM
Just heard from Jim H & from Matt L, too. We will be getting updates soon (I am confident now).
from Matt...
"I do know that the guitars are being built right now – and I believe they are at least half way completed. The last update I had was that one prototype was completed to verify that we would make them correctly. Once that prototype was completed production started right away."
and this from Jim Holler: (he is quoting John L here)
"all guitars have been started. most of them are approaching neck fit. that means the bodies have been built. i expect most of them will be finished by month end. that is my goal given any unforeseen issues. everything does seem to be rolling along just fine though. i would like to ship whatever i have at the end of the month. i will try to send a few photos."

Sounds promising, but could somebody tell me why are they making a prototype?  Didn't they just make and sell a few dozen examples of exactly the same guitar but with a spruce top?   



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: cke on March 09, 2010, 08:34:38 PM
Sounds promising, but could somebody tell me why are they making a prototype?  Didn't they just make and sell a few dozen examples of exactly the same guitar but with a spruce top?   



The 00-03's were made in  Oxnard. They sent the molds to Vancouver to make the Forum IV's. Different craftsmen.

My old man always says, "Patience is a virtue." And I'm not even on the list for one!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on March 09, 2010, 08:38:37 PM
The 00-03's were made in  Oxnard. They sent the molds to Vancouver to make the Forum IV's. Different craftsmen.

My old man always says, "Patience is a virtue." And I'm not even on the list for one!

Wouldn't have made more sense to just have them make them in Oxnard where they already had the experience? 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: cke on March 09, 2010, 08:44:30 PM



Wouldn't have made more sense to just have them make them in Oxnard where they already had the experience? 

To me? Sure, but my guess it was a business decision. And after all, -03's are Vancouver's assignment normally. Why did they make the 00-03's specials in Oxnard?  :?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: tadol on March 09, 2010, 09:20:34 PM
Wouldn't have made more sense to just have them make them in Oxnard where they already had the experience? 

Probably just had the time and room to do them in Vancouver, while Oxnard may have had other work scheduled.  Both nice places, good people, shouldn't be an issue -

As far as building a prototype - that is the best way to make sure all your jigs and tooling is properly set-up, make sure your people understand the finished product, and to correct for any problems that may be discovered during the process. I'd be far more concerned if they hadn't - 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on March 09, 2010, 10:05:26 PM
Probably just had the time and room to do them in Vancouver, while Oxnard may have had other work scheduled.  Both nice places, good people, shouldn't be an issue -

As far as building a prototype - that is the best way to make sure all your jigs and tooling is properly set-up, make sure your people understand the finished product, and to correct for any problems that may be discovered during the process. I'd be far more concerned if they hadn't - 

Well, you won't hear me complaining that they're being made in Vancouver....ok, I can wait a little longer...


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 09, 2010, 10:54:10 PM
                             Thanks for getting us the straight scoop Mark :+1:

         
Just heard from Jim H & from Matt L, too. We will be getting updates soon (I am confident now).
from Matt...
"I do know that the guitars are being built right now – and I believe they are at least half way completed. The last update I had was that one prototype was completed to verify that we would make them correctly. Once that prototype was completed production started right away."
and this from Jim Holler: (he is quoting John L here)
"all guitars have been started. most of them are approaching neck fit. that means the bodies have been built. i expect most of them will be finished by month end. that is my goal given any unforeseen issues. everything does seem to be rolling along just fine though. i would like to ship whatever i have at the end of the month. i will try to send a few photos."


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on March 09, 2010, 11:31:21 PM
Another reason for building them in Vancouver versus Oxnard might be employee pay scale...I would assume that cost of living is less in western Canada than southern California, so it stands to reason that labor costs would be less up north as well. Therefore, the lower price, lower profit margin models are made there. The more expensive models are made in CA.

Now we know what we already knew - Larrivee IS building our guitars.  :rolleye:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on March 10, 2010, 01:12:41 AM
The reason Larrivee built the 00-03 in Oxnard was to make things more complicated. We used to be able to say the 03 series were all built in Canada and the newer 05 and up were built in USA.   :doh


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 10, 2010, 01:19:31 AM
  It really is nice to know that they have the necks about ready to fit up and that they could be shipped at the end of the month. That was some very helpful communication made by Q. :donut
  


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: AZLiberty on March 10, 2010, 05:09:13 AM
The 00-03's were made in  Oxnard. They sent the molds to Vancouver to make the Forum IV's. Different craftsmen.

My old man always says, "Patience is a virtue." And I'm not even on the list for one!

Also I would not assume that all of the dimensions are exactly the same.  The soundboard thickness may be different for example since hog is stiffer than spruce.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Trinity Guitars on March 10, 2010, 12:36:47 PM
Hi group.  I finaly got this update from John Jr. yeaterday.  I know this process has not gone the way we all would have hoped. ie no photos and a void in information. We are however close to the timing and I am confident that we will have some very cool guitars! I have also learned that I missed some emails. Sorry about that. I have been attacked by three nasty viruses this year. One to my body ( took me out for 3 weeks. ) and two to my computer. Both times on the computer I lost data and emails.  I now have a second computer and a nightly automated back up system  so that I can recover the data if I have any further issues. I just do not understand the mentality behind the destructive virus programs. Cause all kinds of damage with no gain to the guilty party. Any way  if I have missed one of you emails please resend it if still want me to look at it for you.
   I am putting together a list of options for the guitars that I will post on my web page in a day or so. This will make it easy for folks to select the most asked for options. As soon as it is done I will post a link here.


From John yesterday 3/9/10
hi jim
 
ricky asked me to give you an update on production.
 
all guitars have been started. most of them are approaching neck fit. that means the bodies have been built. i expect most of them will be finished by month end. that is my goal given any unforeseen issues. everything does seem to be rolling along just fine though.
 
i would like to ship whatever i have at the end of the month . then if there are any stragglers i would ship the rest following.
 
i will try to send a few photos.
 
john jr.
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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on March 10, 2010, 01:33:39 PM
Woohoo!!!  Thanks for the update Jim!  I really hope we get to see a couple of pics!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on March 10, 2010, 01:54:19 PM
I AM HAPPY, YAAAAAY!!!

 :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar

-James



Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 10, 2010, 02:34:17 PM
Hi group.  I finaly got this update from John Jr. yeaterday.  I know this process has not gone the way we all would have hoped. ie no photos and a void in information. We are however close to the timing and I am confident that we will have some very cool guitars! I have also learned that I missed some emails. Sorry about that. I have been attacked by three nasty viruses this year. One to my body ( took me out for 3 weeks. ) and two to my computer. Both times on the computer I lost data and emails.  I now have a second computer and a nightly automated back up system  so that I can recover the data if I have any further issues. I just do not understand the mentality behind the destructive virus programs. Cause all kinds of damage with no gain to the guilty party. Any way  if I have missed one of you emails please resend it if still want me to look at it for you.
   I am putting together a list of options for the guitars that I will post on my web page in a day or so. This will make it easy for folks to select the most asked for options. As soon as it is done I will post a link here.


From John yesterday 3/9/10
hi jim
 
ricky asked me to give you an update on production.
 
all guitars have been started. most of them are approaching neck fit. that means the bodies have been built. i expect most of them will be finished by month end. that is my goal given any unforeseen issues. everything does seem to be rolling along just fine though.
 
i would like to ship whatever i have at the end of the month . then if there are any stragglers i would ship the rest following.
 
i will try to send a few photos.
 
john jr.
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                                                             :guitar   Sweeeeeeeeet   :thumbsup


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on March 10, 2010, 02:48:46 PM
Thank you, Jim!  And sorry for your illness and computer issues!  Both are very frustrating, time consuming and energy robbing...hope you're getting better and catching up with things (as much as is possible with 28-30 guitars coming your way!).

 :nana_guitar


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: dkoloff on March 10, 2010, 02:53:50 PM
Updates.....an elixir (groan) to all that await their forum guitars!!!!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 10, 2010, 02:53:51 PM
   Jim, know that you're really busy. This is a situation where John should be keeping you up tp date. As I had saisd, this is 28 guitars. Giving you an email with updates takes less than 5 minutes from Vancouver? As far as we're all concerned, you're the man! Thanks for the update & all! :thumb
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on March 10, 2010, 03:56:42 PM
Happy Times!!! :bgrin:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on March 10, 2010, 05:05:40 PM
   Jim, know that you're really busy. This is a situation where John should be keeping you up tp date. As I had saisd, this is 28 guitars. Giving you an email with updates takes less than 5 minutes from Vancouver? As far as we're all concerned, you're the man! Thanks for the update & all! :thumb
     Jeff

Jim did say that John sent him a couple e-mails that he never received because of computer viruses - so Larrivee was making the effort to give an update or two.

Bugs in the system, ghosts in the machine...  :mad:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 10, 2010, 07:49:43 PM
   Hey, didn't Sting say the same thing (Ghosts in the Machine, for those that aren't hip enough to know)? Might have discovered PC virus' before they even existed! :humour:
   Now, with Larrivee emails in floating around in cyberspace, maybe one will just pop into one of our PCs, just like a "ghost in a machine"? :bgrin:
   Any news is good news, as long as it's good. At least we have a time frame to guesstimate from?
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: TrinityGuitars on March 10, 2010, 09:38:58 PM
OK,  I just put up an options page at http://www.trinityguitars.com/steelstr/larrivee/foruniv.html (http://www.trinityguitars.com/steelstr/larrivee/foruniv.html)
 I would post it here but there is pricing on the page so it would not be cool. I am still trying to find a non retail source to purchase the Gotoh tuning machines to try to save us all some money. Spent a few hours today and no luck yet. Looks like I will be able to get all but the black. As soon as I get the info I will update the page and post here that I have done so. I the worst case we will have to buy them retail/ I also want to check with Larrivee on the stock tuners. If it is the mini pings has anyone replaced them with the mini 510's?
Jim Holler


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on March 10, 2010, 09:55:13 PM
OK,  I just put up an options page at   I would post it here but there is pricing on the page so it would not be cool. I am still trying to find a non retail source to purchase the Gotoh tuning machines to try to save us all some money. Spent a few hours today and no luck yet. Looks like I will be able to get all but the black. As soon as I get the info I will update the page and post here that I have done so. I the worst case we will have to buy them retail/ I also want to check with Larrivee on the stock tuners. If it is the mini pings has anyone replaced them with the mini 510's?
Jim Holler
 (http://www.trinityguitars.com/steelstr/larrivee/foruniv.html)

Jim are Waverlies an Option as I know there seemed to be a few that were interested in installing these including myself


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: TrinityGuitars on March 10, 2010, 10:01:41 PM
Jim are Waverlies an Option as I know there seemed to be a few that were interested in installing these including myself
  The waverlies require a different hole size for the shaft. The bushing is a push in type and not threaded to the shaft like most open tuners.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on March 10, 2010, 10:21:42 PM
  The waverlies require a different hole size for the shaft. The bushing is a push in type and not threaded to the shaft like most open tuners.

Thanks Jim that is certainly nice to know I then like many others want the least evasive ( a little flippant I know  :smile: )


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: pehabe on March 10, 2010, 10:25:14 PM
Hi Jim, thanks for the updates ...  :thumbsup

Will bone pins also be an option?  I would like to have mine with Collosi pins.
Please inform.

gruss aus Schwarzwald,
Peter


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frank_S on March 10, 2010, 10:32:45 PM
Should I mention to Jim that I will be using this guitar pretty much for fingerstyle play to set up the action accordingly? I'm going for the bone saddle and nut. Is setup included in the install? Sorry if this is a stupid question.  :laughin:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Queequeg on March 10, 2010, 10:38:42 PM
Should I mention to Jim that I will be using this guitar pretty much for fingerstyle play to set up the action accordingly? I'm going for the bone saddle and nut. Is setup included in the install? Sorry if this is a stupid question.  :laughin:
Not a stupid question at all, Frank. Yes, I think you should tell him when you order saddle & nut.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 11, 2010, 12:22:11 AM
   Now, I guess we have to get together & order tuners. Tuffy put a set of Grover Sta-tites on his F-III  ($37 + bushings?)& said they would look fine. LMII has Goth open-gear tuners made just for them (think all metal, no plastic bushings). They go for $43-$55 (approx.), plus bushings, which will be needed if mini tuners are stock.
   Besides the Waverlys that Joyce wants, which Jim probably carries, which are the ones most would want? My impression was most wanted open-gear ones, but any thoughts? If Jim orders more than 3 from Stew-Mac (Grovers) or the Gotohs (LMII), a discount will be applied. Just most of us have to get on the same boat? My new LMII catalog should be here this week, as I prefer to read magazines. Can you guess which room? :humour:
   Any thoughts? I want to see what they come with & how the guitar sounds before I put Waverlys on. My F-III would definitely get them, just haven't done it yet or found the need.
     Jeff
   Grovers, shows one. Gotoh, shows 2.

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Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on March 11, 2010, 12:22:51 AM
Another reason for building them in Vancouver versus Oxnard might be employee pay scale...I would assume that cost of living is less in western Canada than southern California, so it stands to reason that labor costs would be less up north as well. Therefore, the lower price, lower profit margin models are made there. The more expensive models are made in CA.

Now we know what we already knew - Larrivee IS building our guitars.  :rolleye:

Sorry, just had to pipe in on this comment. Vancouver has the most expensive real estate in our country. Not a cheap place to live.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: lyric_girl on March 11, 2010, 12:27:30 AM
Jim, very sorry to hear that you were ill and viruses managed to take your computer out. Just know that Karma does have a way of coming around and smacking people in the head that do stuff like send out viruses. Their time will come.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: bobsnob on March 11, 2010, 12:45:40 AM
Besides the Waverlys that Joyce wants, which Jim probably carries, which are the ones most would want? My impression was most wanted open-gear ones, but any thoughts?

For my FIV, I'd like open gear tuners.  At the moment, I'm leaning toward Sta-tites, but I could easily be convinced to go for Waverlys.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Frederico on March 11, 2010, 01:27:20 AM
Yes, open tuner :bgrin: Any kind :tongue:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: jamesb1101 on March 11, 2010, 03:13:52 AM
Waverlys...can we get them in gold?

-James

 :drool:


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on March 11, 2010, 04:16:50 AM


Yep Can't imagine Oxnard having a greater cost of living than Vancouver and if it does then neither are cheap by any means sorry to sidetrack


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on March 11, 2010, 04:18:49 AM
Definitely an open tuner for me!!!!!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on March 11, 2010, 04:22:32 AM
Jim, very sorry to hear that you were ill and viruses managed to take your computer out. Just know that Karma does have a way of coming around and smacking people in the head that do stuff like send out viruses. Their time will come.

Karma?  :?

Some of us prefer to think of it as JUDGMENT DAY...  :whistling: :cop: :mad:

P.S. lyric girl, thanks for the clarification on western Canada's real estate market and cost of living...who knew!  :thumb


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on March 11, 2010, 03:08:36 PM
Pic-Guards - Clear or Martin Style - Optional :?  :?  :?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Danny on March 11, 2010, 03:13:09 PM
Pic-Guards - Clear or Martin Style - Optional :?  :?  :?
  It's the Martin Style.  I think they will put it in the case if I remember right. That's what I asked for in the beginning ie. don't install it.  John Jr. did surprise us on the F-III though and offered the clear guards as well.  Maybe it will happen again.
          E-mail Jim about your choice.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on March 11, 2010, 04:25:30 PM
Not to side track your options discussion but I found this info interesting, a little excerpt from Acoustic Guitar on alternative woods.



"Many alternative woods for backs and sides have already proven themselves in the marketplace. “Take sapele and ovangkol, for example, which are mahogany and rosewood alternatives,” says Taylor Guitar’s Bob Taylor. “They’re both widely used in guitar building now, though 15 years ago you never saw them in a guitar. We make 80 guitars a day with sapele and ovangkol, and people accept them readily.” "

Kind of puts into perspective the difference in guitar production between Larrivee and Taylor. If Larrivee was putting out 80 guitars a day you would be playing your F-IV's right now.


Back to tuners.
From the looks of it these open gear tuners come with a chrome tuning knob that looks permanent, so you would have to like the knob, correct?
 


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on March 11, 2010, 04:39:53 PM
I can wait for tuners.  I haven't swapped out the LS-03's yet and it hasn't been a problem so far.  Not a priority for me.

What I would like, is to see some pics of our guitars in the build process....


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on March 11, 2010, 04:46:02 PM
Kind of puts into perspective the difference in guitar production between Larrivee and Taylor. If Larrivee was putting out 80 guitars a day you would be playing your F-IV's right now.


 


Prefer quality over marketing and Quantity tho.   I will take the Larrivee anyday. Not that Taylors are bad they are great guitars tho more duds and much more expensive. Gotta pay for the Celeb endorsement somehow I guess. Just NOT ME!!!!!


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mr_LV19E on March 11, 2010, 04:48:51 PM
Prefer quality over marketing and Quantity tho.   I will take the Larrivee anyday. Not that Taylors are bad they are great guitars tho more duds and much more expensive. Gotta pay for the Celeb endorsement somehow I guess. Just NOT ME!!!!!

That was kind of my point.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on March 11, 2010, 04:51:44 PM
That was kind of my point.

Was never real good at reading between the lines   :cheers


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Mikeymac on March 11, 2010, 05:11:16 PM
I can wait for tuners.  I haven't swapped out the LS-03's yet and it hasn't been a problem so far.  Not a priority for me.

Same here. I actually took the open gear tuners off my OM and put the original (Schallers) back on...might do the same on my D-03 (pretty sure the originals are Pings). Of course, now I have extra holes in the headstocks of both.  :crying:

So I'm not in any hurry to mod the Forum IV with tuners that will require extra holes. I might go with a replacement tuner that lines up with the stock holes. Would that be one of the Gotoh minis?


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on March 11, 2010, 06:24:30 PM
Same here. I actually took the open gear tuners off my OM and put the original (Schallers) back on...might do the same on my D-03 (pretty sure the originals are Pings). Of course, now I have extra holes in the headstocks of both.  :crying:

So I'm not in any hurry to mod the Forum IV with tuners that will require extra holes. I might go with a replacement tuner that lines up with the stock holes. Would that be one of the Gotoh minis?

I think the regular Gotoh, not 510s, line up...not sure.  I'm not sure about the 510...they might?  Don't Schallers line up OK too?  If I change them, it won't be a set of open gear or anything fancy.  Whatever fits basically.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 11, 2010, 06:26:09 PM
   The discussion earlier had been about ordering a number of open-geared tuners to get a price break. I, too, haven't touched my F-III mini Pings, but open ones sure would look nice. I haven't had any tuning problems with the Pings. Considering the cost Larrivee gets them for, which on a massive order would be pretty cheap, they are just fine. A little more accuracy would be a trade-off, the Grovers being 18:1 ratio. The Gotohs are 15:1, I'm pretty sure, so not much of a difference (mini Pings, 14:1). They would add a nice vintage look, but to some looks aren't everything. Shouldn't be, but it's fun to get your guitar looking like you want it to?
   I was going to go with the clear pick guard, but after seeing the Santa Cruz "1929" & some Martin -15 & -17 series, am digging the TS one. Have a clear on my F-III, which is perfect. Personal preference. Normally like a clear one on all Larrivees, Traditional series being the exception. Have a choice, so just let Jim know?
     Jeff


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: TrinityGuitars on March 11, 2010, 06:46:44 PM
 After much time I have located a distributor that I can get the Gotoh machines from. They, however, do not handle the black. I am also continuing my work on compatibility. I will be ordering a standard size set  and a mini set to test them on the guitars. I have some P05's in stock I can use for the mini test. I know that the standard 510 are a drop in fit for the full size ping but I think we are looking at the ping mini on the 00 size guitar. I want to make sure that we can do the swap and not leave holes or marks on the guitar. My account is being set up today with the distributor so I should be able to order tomorrow. I have also emailed Larrivee to verify the machines that will be used on the guitar. A lot to sort out but we are getting close.  I will look at the open back tuner options as well. We should end up with some cool info on what will work for the mini tuner upgrades.


Title: Re: F-IV special order 00-03MT by the forum & Trinity Guitars
Post by: Denis on March 11, 2010, 07:03:30 PM
After much time I have located a distributor that I can get the Gotoh machines from. They, however, do not handle the black. I am also continuing my work on compatibility. I will be ordering a standard size set  and a mini set to test them on the guitars. I have some P05's in stock I can use for the mini test. I know that the standard 510 are a drop in fit for the full size ping but I think we are looking at the ping mini on the 00 size guitar. I want to make sure that we can do the swap and not leave holes or marks on the guitar