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Title: L00 style guitar build Now Finished......
Post by: GA-ME on November 02, 2009, 02:46:13 PM
I have been learning to work on and restore guitars over the last year and a half or so. I've restored a few instruments and retopped and carved a neck for a 50's Sovereign. The Sovereign came out all right considering I made the bracing pattern up on my own and it was the first time I'd attempted carving a neck and making a top. It came out good enough that it made me want to try one from scratch, so I started on a new one over the weekend. I made a folder at my facebook page. Hopefully, when I get the setup/intonation just right on the Sovereign, I'll post a quick video playing it.

Here is the link for the L00: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=168795&id=740331350&l=a409187986

I have to run out and get a bag of clothspins, since I can't find mine, and then I'll continue and will glue in the kerfing. Have a look and follow along if you'd like to. Hopefully, I'll make a few less errors this time around!


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build
Post by: BenF on November 02, 2009, 03:08:31 PM
Brilliant, I wondered when you would do a build from scratch.  What a great size and spec to start with too.

I look forward to following this!


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build
Post by: tadol on November 02, 2009, 03:54:16 PM
Beautiful claro! and  a great project - Did you make your own jigs/molds, or did you buy them from a supplier? I've been looking at some of the Youtube vids on making them, and comparing that work to the cost of buying them, and not sure which way to go. Building a guitar has got to be challenging enough without having to develop the expertise to build all the jigs -

Tad


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build
Post by: GA-ME on November 02, 2009, 04:09:31 PM
Tad, I bought the radiused workboards and the build mold from John Hall, at Blues Creek Guitars, in Hegins Pa. I am building in my bedroom, so using power tools to cut the form out or routing a flat board into a radius board is not practical for me. My fiance is understanding about my obsession, but she has her limits and the dust created from power tools is out. I'd highly reccomend John Hall and his products. He has MANY products not listed on his website so calling him to ask what is available is reccomended.

So far, every instrument/project I've completed has been done with hand tools and hand sanding while holding a shop vac hose to keep down on the dust. Someday, my fiance and I will both be finished school and be in a larger place with a dedicated shop! For now, its all hand tools, time, and patience. John graciously offered the use of all his equipment at a very reasonable rate, but he is three hours away, so I have to go up and get the supplies and the sides bent and top and back joined and thicknessed while I am there.


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build
Post by: Barefoot Rob on November 02, 2009, 04:36:16 PM
This is so cool bud.Using hand tools is harder but the joy derived is well worth it. :thumb


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build
Post by: Mr_LV19E on November 02, 2009, 06:27:34 PM
Nice job Jonathan, I will enjoy watching the progress. 

Second best use of a bedroom.   :humour:


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build
Post by: GA-ME on November 02, 2009, 06:53:18 PM
Nice job Jonathan, I will enjoy watching the progress. 

Second best use of a bedroom.   :humour:

Yeah, it is about as much fun as I can have in a bedroom..........with my clothes on anyway. I used to leave the cloths off while I worked but the glue and splinters just got into the dangest places!


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build
Post by: Mr_LV19E on November 02, 2009, 08:52:18 PM
Yeah, it is about as much fun as I can have in a bedroom..........with my clothes on anyway. I used to leave the cloths off while I worked but the glue and splinters just got into the dangest places!

 :ohmy:  TMI


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build
Post by: tadol on November 03, 2009, 12:00:47 AM
I remember a long time ago meeting a girl who understood my need to have a workbench and toolbox all in my bedroom, since it was the only room that was "mine" - we've been together near 30 years now.  Look forward to more pics of the build -

Tad


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build
Post by: jshowyin on November 03, 2009, 12:05:42 AM
Hey Jonathan,

Thanks for sharing your project with us. It is fantastic to be able to track your progress in such small, discrete steps. Congrats on having the courage to put your passion into action in this way. Look forward to seeing more over the next few weeks/months.

Jared


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build
Post by: GA-ME on November 03, 2009, 01:07:06 PM
Side rims are complete with kerfing and support strips glued in. Now, off to lay out the top.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4486998&l=32941778bf&id=740331350


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build
Post by: Zohn on November 04, 2009, 02:54:39 PM
Cool Jonathan! Somehow I can't open the thumbnails of your photos on FB though, but at least I can see them.
I have a couple of plans, amongst them an L-00. You just convinced me that is the first one I'll do when I start building one day!!


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build
Post by: GA-ME on November 04, 2009, 04:06:18 PM
Cool Jonathan! Somehow I can't open the thumbnails of your photos on FB though, but at least I can see them.
I have a couple of plans, amongst them an L-00. You just convinced me that is the first one I'll do when I start building one day!!

Hey Zohn, is it possible for you to scan and send the plans for the L00 as an attachment? I am making up my bracing pattern from web photographs and some measurements that someone on line sent me. It would be nice to actually look at plans, drawn from a guitar someone had in their hands, to get some measurements.


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build
Post by: Zohn on November 12, 2009, 12:27:40 PM
Hey Zohn, is it possible for you to scan and send the plans for the L00 as an attachment? I am making up my bracing pattern from web photographs and some measurements that someone on line sent me. It would be nice to actually look at plans, drawn from a guitar someone had in their hands, to get some measurements.

Ouch, I only saw your request now - better now than never hey?
Anyway yeah sure mate! - I just e-mailed it to you in pdf-format..


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build
Post by: GA-ME on November 12, 2009, 12:42:33 PM
Zohn, no harm, no foul. Blue in VT sent me the same plans a few days ago. I was mainly interested in the drawings for the headstock measurements and I drew that up yesterday. She is coming along nicely. If my frickin spine will settle down, with all this crappy Nor'easter weather blowing through, there is a good chance I'll complete the body before the start of next week.


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build: Body done.....on to the neck.
Post by: GA-ME on November 19, 2009, 10:12:08 PM
Well, I have the body done and it looks pretty decent. I have to study for an upcoming Spanish exam, so I won't be able to start the neck until probably Tuesday. No matter though, this one is going smoother than the first one............ so far. I think the dovetail layout is my favorite part from the first one I did. It's detail oriented, so it forces me to pay attention and focus more than I usually can muster. Well, maybe carving the neck is my favorite part, but getting the dovetail layed out, and cut correctly by hand, is definately the hardest part!

Here she is: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=168795&id=740331350&l=a409187986


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build
Post by: Danny on November 19, 2009, 11:24:01 PM
  I didn't notice this thread the first time. I just saw your pics on FB. Glad to see you making progress.

(btw I mailed the book a few days ago)


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build
Post by: GA-ME on March 09, 2010, 12:31:30 AM
Well, I finally got around to doing some more work on the L00. I decided to take a one on one class on dovetail/neck fitting with John Hall of Blues Creek guitars. The instruction was well worth the money and the three hour drive to John's shop. I gained a lot of valuable insight into the relationships between the mating surfaces of the dovetail joint. After the trail and error of the fitting of my first guitar, I decided to get some formal instruction to clarify the methodology. It worked out perfectly as the pictures on facebook show. I have a perfect neck angle and a solid dovetail fit which won't need shims when I glue her up!

I decided to go with a cedar slothead neck and she is ready to glue the trusrod in and fingerboard on and then finish shaping. Tommorrow, I'll fret the fingerboard and glue it to the neck. All that is left is to finish the French Polish on the body, finish shaping the neck and varnish it with an oxidizing varnish, glue the neck on and then locate the bridge, followed by making a nut, saddle, and a set up. If all goes well, I'll have a new guitar in a couple of weeks!

Photographs here: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4486998&l=32941778bf&id=740331350


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build
Post by: Danny on March 09, 2010, 12:43:20 AM
  Heh!!! It looks like you copied me a bit on the flamed maple finish :winkin:
 I guess in some respects my rebuild/ re-finish is a distant cousin to yours. They are both Gibson body styles and very close in bout sizes.
  Yours of course is from scratch and will be a treasure for years to come. Mine will be playable ...I hope :blush:
 
            I got the package today, Thanks again.
 I look forward to seeing the finished L00. I bet it will be great. :+1:


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build
Post by: Zohn on March 09, 2010, 04:40:57 PM
Looks good Jonathan!!  :+1: Well done mate.


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build Now Finished......
Post by: GA-ME on April 01, 2010, 10:48:30 PM
Well, the guitar is together and has had strings on it four or five days. It still has the paper pickguard on it as I am waiting to put the real one on until I do the final polish with rottenstone on the guitar in a week or so more. The action is still high and the intonation not quite there yet but I made a quick camcorder video to show that it actually turned out to at least be playable. Don't hold my picking against the guitar, its still hard to fret until I dial in the set-up( As best as I can figure out anyway) in a week or so.
I also am to nervous to drive it hard until I get the real pickguard on it as the French Polish isn't tough. My fiance decided to sing with me on a tune we have been fooling with for a few days. I think my friend will be surprised and enjoy the guitar when I give it to him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEh3z3Veukk


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build Now Finished......
Post by: Danny on April 01, 2010, 11:30:45 PM
 :nice guitar:  But I really liked the duet. That's a nice song. I'd love to hear you do a studio version of that.

                                          Well done Jon. :thumbsup


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build Now Finished......
Post by: GA-ME on April 01, 2010, 11:45:54 PM
:nice guitar:  But I really liked the duet. That's a nice song. I'd love to hear you do a studio version of that.

                                          Well done Jon. :thumbsup

Thanks Dan. The song is from the Avett Brothers. It's called The Weight of Lies. It's still really rough since we just started learning it a bit ago but the guitar set-up is rough to so they go together. I'm getting the wood for the next one on Monday. It will be Khaya/Adi with rosewood bridge, fingerboard and headstock. Hopefully, it will be better. This one came out just good enough to make me want to try again.


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build Now Finished......
Post by: ncognito on April 02, 2010, 01:03:01 AM
That was nice.  The guitar sounded pretty good to me and you haven't even finished with the setup.  It must be an amazing feeling playing a guitar that you built.  Congratulations!

        DAVE


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build Now Finished......
Post by: Zohn on April 02, 2010, 10:27:55 AM
Hey Jono', well done and congrats!!  :nice guitar: It sounds like a real gem, and a nice song too.
 :wave  :donut


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build Now Finished......
Post by: BenF on April 02, 2010, 12:38:52 PM
Jon, I am very impressed. Something to be supremely proud of.

Khaya/Adi will be nice. Thrilled to see someone else who likes khaya, and doesn't consider it to be fake mahogany. It is wood, after all, so surely should be considered on it's own merits.


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build Now Finished......
Post by: GA-ME on April 03, 2010, 05:44:18 PM
Well, I went back in and scalloped the bass side, lower leg of the X brace and did a bit of work on the  rear tone bars and she sounds much better now. Less boxy and more full and rounded in the bass. I think I'm leaving it here and move to the final tweaking on the set-up. I think my friend will like her. He has been working quite steady over the last year on his guitar playing and has some nice Dave Van Ronk and Gary Davis stuff going. He has been beating around on a Jasmine dred with 1 11/16 nut with the bridge starting to lift. I think the 1 3/4 nut and 2 5/16 bridge spacing on this one will be much better with his rather large hands. So, now I just have to figure out when I'll be able to get up to Boston to give it to him.

On to the next one: Khaya/Adi back and sides, rosewood bridge, fingerboard, and headstock! Hopefully, it will be a bit better than the this one, and so on and so forth.

Jon, I am very impressed. Something to be supremely proud of.

Khaya/Adi will be nice. Thrilled to see someone else who likes khaya, and doesn't consider it to be fake mahogany. It is wood, after all, so surely should be considered on it's own merits.


Ben, I could care less what anyone else calls Kyaha. It is good wood, if rather plain, and will make a nice guitar. It is relatively inexpensive as well. I see no point in using 500 dollars worth of wood on guitars I'm building while I learn to do this.  Each time I am hoping they get a little better. When I get to the point where I feel like they are decent guitars, I'll use the sets of Black Walnut a friend is giving me. He bought the billets in the early 1980's from a retiring cabinet maker in Tennessee who had the wood in his possession since the 50's. I think those sets will make REALLY REALLY nice instruments when I am up to the task of making a good one.


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build Now Finished......
Post by: BenF on April 03, 2010, 06:27:13 PM
Sorry, I don't think this is plain.  To the best of my knowledge, this is Khaya.

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Title: Re: L00 style guitar build Now Finished......
Post by: GA-ME on April 03, 2010, 07:08:08 PM
Sorry, I don't think this is plain.  To the best of my knowledge, this is Khaya.

Ben, that is nicely ribboned Kyaha. The stuff I'm getting is very plain and actually looks more like plain unfigured South American Mahogany(Swietenia macrophylla). Folks can call Khaya fake Mahogany if they wish, but it is a member of  the family Meliaceae. By the way, I don't necesscarily associate plain with perjorative meaning. I'm glad you are enjoying you new guita as well. It sounds quite nice in your hands!
 I'm actually hoping the Khaya I'm getting sounds good as a finished guitar because it is VERY plain which translates to relatively cheap as far as tonewoods go. I've started fooling around with Aniline Dye Powder and if this next guitar comes out all right, I'm going to build the next several out of the plain Khaya and practice doing hand applied suburst finishes on them. The plain Khaya would be the perfect vehicle for this as it is pretty inexpensive and I've had a couple of the sets in my hands and they are really, really light and they have a nice tap. I figure that cheap wood would make some nice Sunburst and all black L00 guitars!


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build Now Finished......
Post by: BenF on April 03, 2010, 07:23:25 PM
Sounds awesome Jonathan, sunburst on your third build!! You don't do things by halfs!!!

I believe that even the plainest woods can become very beautiful under the quality of finish you apply. The walnut was always pretty, but it is jawdroppingly beautiful on the finished article. I personally imagine that Khaya/Adi will make a snappy little guitar, it is a combination that really appeals.

 


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build Now Finished......
Post by: Wrangler on April 06, 2010, 10:36:38 PM
Great guitar great song AWESOME JOB!


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build Now Finished......
Post by: Zohn on April 09, 2010, 04:50:05 AM
a Khaya Larrivee - nothing wrong there, my daughter has a Walden G2070 in Cedar and Khaya, great guitar!!

(http://www.wildwoodmusic.com/web-content/Images/LarL03KMj.jpg)

(http://www.wildwoodmusic.com/web-content/Images/LarL03KMh.jpg)


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build Now Finished......
Post by: Danny on April 09, 2010, 09:23:28 AM
Khaya is a better looking wood to me than sapele. I like the grain patterns and coloring more. I don't know much about Khaya's tone characteristics though.


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build Now Finished......
Post by: GA-ME on April 09, 2010, 11:23:55 AM
Dan, I can't say what the characteristic tone is but I know the batch that I'll be choosing from is really light and has a nice musical tap. I think it will probably make a nice L00. I'm really considering making an all Kyaha L00 as I can get the top, back, and sides in Kyaha for less than the cost of just the top wood in Adi. It almost seems to be a no brainer.


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build Now Finished......
Post by: Zohn on April 09, 2010, 12:10:25 PM
Dan, I can't say what the characteristic tone is but I know the batch that I'll be choosing from is really light and has a nice musical tap. I think it will probably make a nice L00. I'm really considering making an all Kyaha L00 as I can get the top, back, and sides in Kyaha for less than the cost of just the top wood in Adi. It almost seems to be a no brainer.

Hmmm that sounds appetizing....


Title: Re: L00 style guitar build Now Finished......
Post by: Danny on April 09, 2010, 12:17:26 PM
  Ah he just can't stand that we have an all hog 00 and he doesn't. :humour:

Really Jon that sounds way cool to me and I would like to see you do that myself.