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Title: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: Danny on August 07, 2009, 04:01:48 AM
                 I enjoyed playing my LS-03 MH/IS 12 fret just a little while ago. I also was in a G.C. earlier today and as usual I didn't play one guitar that I thought was worth investing in beyond the ones I have.
                 But they had no slot heads at all. And even though I enjoy my OM-21 also a whole lot I am thinking of buying a Slot head Martin, or SCGC or whatever I can find with full tone range (depth) and trading the OM-21 in if need be.              
                 I really like the 12 fret sound and have wanted a nice slot head git for a while now. Sometimes I just let it go and forget about it. But then someone (usually on this forum :donut) enables the GAS virus in me and I am back to searching craigs list etc.
                 I just sold two of my extra cars so I do have some $, but I think I am looking for some advice. Will I regret selling or trading that OM-21 to get a 12 fret slothead? I think I would, but if it was a 000-17s or other scallop X braced Collings, SCGC or ? It may help me forget the OM-21.
                 In case you are wondering why I don't include the 000-50 or 60 Larrivee's. It's because the lower bout and depth added together causes shooting pains and numbness in my shoulder and arms. My F-III is the largest Larrivee I can play. I could play a Larrivee OM if it was an older model built at the original smaller specs. But a OM Larrivee slot head 12 fret would be a rare guitar indeed.  
                  Any advice other than enabling :blush:


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: tadol on August 07, 2009, 04:49:36 AM
I got a great idea Danny -

Come up with me to Healdsburg, and check out all the handmade guitars from all the boutique shops and custom luthiers! You will probably be able to find a near perfect guitar, and it would only take a second mortgage to bring it home!

But once you know exactly what you want, you can start making plans to find it either used, new, or custom-built -

Tad


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: gitnoob on August 07, 2009, 05:18:56 AM
In the spirit of not enabling you, slotheads look cool, but they are a pain to string.   Also, you want mass in the headstock to increase sustain.   Some people even go to the trouble of adding mass to improve the sound.

Slotheads are evil.   :mad:

(Hey, I tried.   :smile:)


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: Danny on August 07, 2009, 07:46:51 AM
In the spirit of not enabling you, slotheads look cool, but they are a pain to string.   Also, you want mass in the headstock to increase sustain.   Some people even go to the trouble of adding mass to improve the sound.

Slotheads are evil.   :mad:

(Hey, I tried.   :smile:)
  Nice try, Thanks.    But Collings adds mass to their neck. And I like a challenge as far as strings. I do have a few nylon string gits.


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: BenF on August 07, 2009, 08:10:03 AM
And I like a challenge as far as strings.

I thought your forum III would have satisfied that  :laughin: :laughin: :laughin: :laughin: :tongue:

Danny, I feel your pain.  I love my F-III and my OM, but I feel like there is a gap in my arsenal for an all hog parlor or OO, just because I love 1960s folk and blues type music that such a guitar could capture.  If there is a gap, it doesn't matter how good your gits are, it still niggles you.

I used to think I needed lots of gits, but now I think I need three (or 4) in total.  Maybe you need to keep the OM-21 and thin the herd of less important guitars??


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: GA-ME on August 07, 2009, 11:40:11 AM
Danny, I have the cure for GAS and it is productive too. Everytime you get the urge for a new guitar, play one of the ones you have, non-stop, for an hour. You will find all kinds of stuff in the guitars you already have, if you do this! That's what I do! Sometimes, when I find I'm focused on what is lacking in my 000-60, I play her and then I am reminded that even with the things I don't like about the Larrivee, and there are a few things, there is still nothing I'm capable of playing that the 000 can't handle. The less I play, the more I GAS. The inverse is also true! When all else fails, I play a youtube like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RclyijxoTsk

If Josh can do that on the peice of plastic crap he is playing, I'll never need anything better than what I have. Thats the thing I think we forget. Almost any of the PAC rim guitars are better than what Lightnin, Mance, et. al. played on. You have a couple of nice instruments. Play them more and worry less about what you don't have!


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: lw216316 on August 07, 2009, 12:08:45 PM
can you say, "HUSS & DALTON OO-SP" ?......I knew you could  :bgrin:

2nd & 3rd place were

Collings OOO-2H

Matin OOO-28VS  (I think there was one for sale just recently here)


If one of those does not ring your bell....your clappers' broke  :bgrin:

- Larry   shop for 12 fret slot ?...been there...done that....got a guitar !


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: BenF on August 07, 2009, 12:33:22 PM
Danny, I have the cure for GAS and it is productive too. Everytime you get the urge for a new guitar, play one of the ones you have, non-stop, for an hour. You will find all kinds of stuff in the guitars you already have, if you do this! That's what I do! Sometimes, when I find I'm focused on what is lacking in my 000-60, I play her and then I am reminded that even with the things I don't like about the Larrivee, and there are a few things, there is still nothing I'm capable of playing that the 000 can't handle. The less I play, the more I GAS. The inverse is also true! When all else fails, I play a youtube like this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RclyijxoTsk

If Josh can do that on the peice of plastic crap he is playing, I'll never need anything better than what I have. Thats the thing I think we forget. Almost any of the PAC rim guitars are better than what Lightnin, Mance, et. al. played on. You have a couple of nice instruments. Play them more and worry less about what you don't have!

Like it!!!!


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: es-335 on August 07, 2009, 01:26:46 PM
have you  tried SCGC H-13??

I know it's no 12 fret/slotted head...as you know it's 13th fret joint and slotted!!

it is by far the best guitar I've ever played... Small and deep body guitar!!

Hopefully you will keep your OM-21! those guitars are whether new or old, just amazing!!


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: teh on August 07, 2009, 01:41:05 PM
Danny

My advice: Don't sell either guitar you currently have. You will probably regret it.

Find an O-16NY Martin and it will give you what you are missing. Here's a link to a picture of one. I have never heard a negative word about these little beauties and if you can't find one, order it through the custom shop.

http://www.om28.com/smartin/64016.html


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: bluesman67 on August 07, 2009, 01:53:28 PM
Keep your guitars.  Do you ever play slide, maybe one of these Rebublics will give you your slothead fix.  Excellent quality...not National Steel quality but close for a lot less... I love my left handed tricone, she growls.  :beer

http://www.republicguitars.com/spiderbridgemodels.html

http://www.republicguitars.com/triconemodels.html

http://www.republicguitars.com/steelbodyduolian.html



Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: prof_stack on August 07, 2009, 04:20:30 PM
Try out a small body Froggy Bottom.  Oh my what a great tone.  ...   ...   ...  and a price to match. 

Then your GAS will be satiated.


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: lyric_girl on August 07, 2009, 04:37:50 PM
Danny, you gotta do what you gotta do. If you REALLY want a slot head, and it sounds like you do...I think you should get out there and find something that you love. :cheers

Also, I think you should seriously take Tad's advice and go to Healdsburg with him.

Good luck with your search and we want to hear all about the end result.


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: sayheyjeff on August 07, 2009, 07:08:40 PM
Danny

I just love the the 00017s I bought from my friend tom manson back in january.  I can't tell you how much of what makes it special to me is the comfort of the 12 fret, the size and the sape of this particular martin 000, or the fact that it is a slothead.  I think it is those attributes in that order.  it is going to "force" me to sell the L05MT which I actually thin has a slightly more full and rich sound.  Would love to have another 000 in different tonewoods just for variety.  Nothing the matter with finding the one you love and enjoying thaat process before you sell the om21 or something else is there? 

jeff



Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: Danny on August 07, 2009, 07:13:50 PM
  Thanks to all (but "Larry the enabler" :wink:)

                        I really do appreciate the input.  I just bought a custom made flamed maple paddle head. It is a bit smaller than my LS in length but slightly deeper in the body. It has a paddle head and is a 14 fret. But the neck is 1 7/8 at the nut. It is needing some repairs but I think I can handle it. Nut, saddle, frets were not done too well and I may need to reset the neck. But it is a bolt on.
                          It has a very interesting top, looks somewhat like mahogany but with some more pronounced larger grain lines. The body is all solid woods. The neck is 3 piece.  Anyway a small collector had traded for it and sold it to me at a very good price. He has a lot of old really nice Martins and Gibsons, but likes his electrics more. So he sold this one.  I'll get some pics up eventually.


     Of course GA_ME gave the wise advice. Play what you got. But I think I'll always have an eye peeled for that just right slot head.
                                       Thanks all  :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut2 :donut2 :donut2
Danny

I just love the the 00017s I bought from my friend tom manson back in january.  I can't tell you how much of what makes it special to me is the comfort of the 12 fret, the size and the sape of this particular martin 000, or the fact that it is a slothead.  I think it is those attributes in that order.  it is going to "force" me to sell the L05MT which I actually thin has a slightly more full and rich sound.  Would love to have another 000 in different tonewoods just for variety.  Nothing the matter with finding the one you love and enjoying thaat process before you sell the om21 or something else is there? 

jeff


  That's the model I think would do the trick for me.


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: gitnoob on August 07, 2009, 07:47:58 PM
A nice 000-16-SRGT 12-fret slothead just showed up on eBay.    Perhaps you could buy it so it will stop tempting me.   :bgrin:


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: fongie on August 07, 2009, 11:19:52 PM
Dan we stand side by side, I just sold my LV-03e and hoping that a Lav OO-05 slothead comes my way. You sound like your gassin' pretty bad my friend, I hope you find yours soon
cheers
fongie


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: tuffythepug on August 08, 2009, 12:00:05 AM
Danny
If you are serious about a 12-fret slot head I found a couple you may be interested in.

First:  a 2009 Martin 00018GE (golden era) at gbase.com

Second:  A new Webber"millenium special" 000 size 12 fret slot head with macassar ebony back and sides with sitka spruce top at the Guitar Emporium in Seattle.
 
Neither one is cheap;  The Webber, in particular, has a hefty price tag but boy is it a looker.  I can definitely see you playing it.


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: Danny on August 08, 2009, 12:41:54 AM
  Thanks fongie and tuffy, I think I'll play the ones I have, work on some that need to be finished up (at least four) and keep an eye out for a MT 000 SH.  (in the Martin 000 size)


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: flatlander on August 08, 2009, 02:50:27 AM
Everytime you get the urge for a new guitar, play one of the ones you have, non-stop, for an hour. You will find all kinds of stuff in the guitars you already have, if you do this! That's what I do!
Ask not what a guitar can do for you but ask what you can do with the guitar! :+1:


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: obe-wan on August 08, 2009, 05:06:55 AM
               "trading the OM-21 in if need be."              
                


 :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy:

Danny ! Think this through mate. Great guitars a really hard to come by. Our recent conversation about OM-21s really got me thinking about whether I wanted to let my OM-03R go. Its a good one, so Im keeping it no matter what.

Incidently I just put a deposit on a new OM-21.   :wink:......but keep in under your Stetson, I'll announce it properly with pics once Ive got it in my grimy hands.


Cheers, Scott.


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: alvinlam on August 09, 2009, 03:04:58 PM
Comparison kills contentment. 


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: Danny on August 09, 2009, 03:18:42 PM

 :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy: :ohmy:

Danny ! Think this through mate. Great guitars a really hard to come by. Our recent conversation about OM-21s really got me thinking about whether I wanted to let my OM-03R go. Its a good one, so Im keeping it no matter what.

Incidently I just put a deposit on a new OM-21.   :wink:......but keep in under your Stetson, I'll announce it properly with pics once Ive got it in my grimy hands.


Cheers, Scott.
   I would only trade in my OM-21 for a special guitar with "all" the features I have listed. Which would probably wind up being a Martin 000-17s or a SCGC, Collings copy of a 12 fret slot head Martin.


                                                                     Comparison kills contentment. 
You got that right.
This morning I played my small body 66 Gibson then the F-III and then the OM-21. The Gibby is for sale, but after playing it awhile I realize I'd rather keep it. But I bought another git a few days ago and something needs to go. (It's getting crowded in the closets)
     But every time I play the OM-21 I think that it better stay right here. Of course the F-III "ain't goin nowhere".


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: BluesMan1 on August 09, 2009, 03:52:39 PM
   Danny, I would take a serious look @ trying to find one of those Martin O-16NY. Have heard nothing but great things about them. Also, I would take Tad's advice & head to that show. As you know, there are MANY custom, unknown builder guitars that can be had for a song & dance. Don't sell that OM-21 you really do love so much! They are fantastic guitars & now that you have some Beemer money, you can shop, be patient, & really get what you want. You are blessed with all of the guitars you have & the ability to add, apparently when other things work out for you. As you know, I want a OOO or OO 12-fret slot head all HOG, but am doing something else I never dreamed I would. Let's just say Luca's in my future?
   Good luck & enjoy your trip with Tad? Always wanted to go to a guitar show, just never had the chance. This might be just a sign of what lays ahead for you!
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: Danny on August 09, 2009, 04:06:38 PM
  Jeff thanks for reminding me of this.

I got a great idea Danny -

Come up with me to Healdsburg, and check out all the handmade guitars from all the boutique shops and custom luthiers! You will probably be able to find a near perfect guitar, and it would only take a second mortgage to bring it home!

But once you know exactly what you want, you can start making plans to find it either used, new, or custom-built -

Tad
                       Tad I would have jumped on this offer but my wife already has plans for me and a trip that weekend.


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: teh on August 09, 2009, 05:51:26 PM
Danny:

Take Jeff's advice and try to find a Martin 0-16 NY. 

I found this on you tube and this guy had a couple of other tunes posted last year that I can't find. The recording isn't perfect but you get a sense of the capabilities of this guitar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlmePdC20sU


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: Danny on August 09, 2009, 05:53:55 PM
  I will keep this one on the list to look for.   Thanks teh.


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: tadol on August 09, 2009, 07:01:29 PM
This Healsdburg show is going to be very interesting - There are going to be alot of builders there with guitars that I only see come up on the AGF For Sale section preceded by " I really hate to do this because it is the BEST guitar I've ever played, but . .  ".   Most of them I could maybe do a down payment on if I sold ALL my Larrivees, but probably not much more than that.

I hope I am surprised and find some interesting and affordable instruments, but I am not holding my breath for that, especially since my current definition of "affordable" is pretty minimal. What I really want to see ( and play? ) are some of the interesting build styles - fan frets, bevel-edged, parabolic bracing, pinless bridges, etc. etc. ,  that I have only read about and seen pictures of. There are also a couple of interesting builders workshops that I would like to attend. I just can't decide whether to blow the bucks on a motel room, or just drive up and back each day.

I will definitely take alot of pics - I'll even try to borrow my sons' good camera so they may look acceptable.

I know I'll have severe GAS while up there, but I also know that when I get home and play my F3s, or my BT,  or my hog top 12, I'll come back to earth and be acutely aware of how incredible these are, and for the prices I paid, just how lucky I am compared to the many people who haven't discovered Larrivees -

Tad


Title: Re: I like my F-III but GAS keeps coming back.
Post by: Danny on August 09, 2009, 07:18:54 PM
  I really do wish I could come with you. I have already committed to this trip with the little lady. So do take lots of pics and lots of notes.  And yes you have a LOT of very nice guitars.