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Title: Only one Clapton...
Post by: Zohn on May 28, 2009, 03:49:21 PM
I listened to Clapton's Pilgrim - CD today - the man is a genius writer and performer. Anyone else like the track "Circus left town"? Boy that acoustic sounds good.
Got myself his "One more car, One more rider" DVD as well which is a collection of tour performances in 2001.  :smile:


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: lw216316 on May 28, 2009, 03:56:25 PM
'back in the day'...."Bell Bottom Blues" was my favorite as a teenager.

Now, my all time favorite Clapton song is "Tears in Heaven"   - his REAL blues, coming from the heart.

- Larry


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: BluesMan1 on May 28, 2009, 04:52:05 PM
   After the "Unplugged" CD, DVD came out, I just fell in love with his blues playing, which is were his roots lie. Played with John Mayall & the Bluesbreakers when he was young (teens), along with Jeff Beck & Jimmy Page. I play "Nobody Knows You When You're Down & Out" the right way, being Bessie Smith's version from '25. The songs about being poor, the depression, & such. She just does it differently, right for her period & how it was meant to be played. But I still like the "swing" style he added to it for that session. Alot different than the "Derek & the Dominoes" version that he did with Dwayne Allmond. Before he ate a peach truck! Like the SRV thing, taken away so young & so talented. Will never know what they could have become!
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: Walkerman on May 28, 2009, 06:24:31 PM
If you haven't already heard it, check out "Escondido"  Clapton and Cale.  If you're out driving in the country, it's the perfect soundtrack.


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: Queequeg on May 28, 2009, 06:38:54 PM
   After the "Unplugged" CD, DVD came out, I just fell in love with his blues playing, which is were his roots lie. Played with John Mayall & the Bluesbreakers when he was young (teens), along with Jeff Beck & Jimmy Page. I play "Nobody Knows You When You're Down & Out" the right way, being Bessie Smith's version from '25. The songs about being poor, the depression, & such. She just does it differently, right for her period & how it was meant to be played. But I still like the "swing" style he added to it for that session. Alot different than the "Derek & the Dominoes" version that he did with Dwayne Allmond. Before he ate a peach truck! Like the SRV thing, taken away so young & so talented. Will never know what they could have become!
     Jeff   :guitar
Dwayne Allmond  :?


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: BluesMan1 on May 28, 2009, 06:50:04 PM
   It was a Southern style joke. Should have put D'Wayne! Being a little petty, aren't we? People misspell things all the time, I do it on purpose, I get jumped on! I can walk, but not with you on my back! :humour: Believe me, I know it's Duane. Come on now! :?
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: Zohn on May 28, 2009, 06:54:35 PM
   After the "Unplugged" CD, DVD came out, I just fell in love with his blues playing, which is were his roots lie.
     Jeff   :guitar
Hey Jeff!
How about the Robert Cray song Old Love on "Unplugged" - the piano solo is to die for. Another favourite of mine which I love to play as well, is "Needs his woman".

'back in the day'...."Bell Bottom Blues" was my favorite as a teenager.
Now, my all time favorite Clapton song is "Tears in Heaven"   - his REAL blues, coming from the heart.
- Larry

 :+1: I love that song on the "One more car, One more rider" DVD. with Andy Fairweather-low on the other guitar and backup vocals. His band is awesome too.


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: lw216316 on May 28, 2009, 07:50:55 PM
yea, found this unplugged version by Clapton just now, was not there last year when I looked

he can still hit the high notes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI56fXtOwFc

also found this 73 version that was not there when I looked last year
not his best effort - (he admitted in an interview) - in his drug days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LzlJe9_AxM

- Larry



Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: Queequeg on May 28, 2009, 08:53:07 PM
   It was a Southern style joke. Should have put D'Wayne! Being a little petty, aren't we? People misspell things all the time, I do it on purpose, I get jumped on! I can walk, but not with you on my back! :humour: Believe me, I know it's Duane. Come on now! :?
     Jeff   :guitar
Oh, Duane. I see.
Now to the next question:
Who's Allmond?
(I'm just playing with you, Jeff.)
Please don't take it so seriously.
I recall once, I misspelled something myself.
 :humour:


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: Will Fly on May 28, 2009, 09:35:50 PM
I've seen Clapton a few times over the years - with John Mayall's Bluesbreakers, with Cream, and with his own band in the 80s. For my money, he was never the same after the drugs and alcohol periods.  I actually find his performances rather boring these days. Sorry to be a party pooper!

I should really offer donuts to everyone, I suppose:  :donut :donut2 :donut :donut :donut2...

Over in the UK, the guitarist who the musicians REALLY admired was Peter Green and the (original) Fleetwood Mac. LSD and schizophrenia did their worst on Peter for a long time and, although he's out and about playing these days, he too has lost the old magic. However, in his heyday, he was the most spiritual and bluesy of all British guitarists/singers. Here's a typical sound:

I Need Your Love So Bad (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxeQKQQ6k4s) (the Little Willie John classic).

BB King said Peter was the only other guitarist who sent shivers down his spine. He was truly wonderful. Incidentally, the YouTube clip is mimed - fairly obviously - and Peter actually played a Les Paul on the recording... I was very lucky to have had a jam with him at a blues club in London called Klooks Kleek - it was after a performance of Mayall's Bluesbreakers when Mick Taylor was in the band (he left shortly afterwards to join the Stones). Peter was a great guy, but a troubled one.

Cheers,

Will


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: fongie on May 28, 2009, 10:20:10 PM
'back in the day'...."Bell Bottom Blues" was my favorite as a teenager.

Now, my all time favorite Clapton song is "Tears in Heaven"   - his REAL blues, coming from the heart.

- Larry


I can see that Larry, and you play it just fine
Definately, Clapton is the man. I read an article about him not having a good voice. I think that guy that wrote the article needs his head examine, his awesome.
cheers
fongie


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: Yoyodyne on May 28, 2009, 10:27:47 PM
Who's Allmond?

Sometimes you feel like a nut, sometimes you don't... :guitar


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: BluesMan1 on May 29, 2009, 12:58:30 AM
   Q, glad it was only once. :humour:  I WAS feeling kinda nutty when I posted that one, obviously! You know, the peach truck reference? No ones mentioned that one?
     Jeff :guitar


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: flatlander on May 29, 2009, 01:39:52 AM
If you haven't already heard it, check out "Escondido"  Clapton and Cale.  If you're out driving in the country, it's the perfect soundtrack.
Again Walkerman I'm with you on your taste. Clapton is off and on for me. His stuff in the 80's I didn't care for at all. Unplugged was good. The electric blues cd he put out in the mid nineties could have been good but he was too hung up on trying to sound black. When he's himself, his vocals are great. You don't have to be black to sing the blues. Cale is abloutely one of my favorite electic players. And he's one of claptons favorites. That album is abolutley great, both guitar wise and in claptons singing which I love when he's just being himself.  The song that Willfly put on u-tube, sporting life, and Hard to Thrill are just killer instrumentally and on vocals. Willfly, you've heard the cd and still dont' give him a break?


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: Queequeg on May 29, 2009, 01:45:30 AM
   Q, glad it was only once. :humour:  I WAS feeling kinda nutty when I posted that one, obviously! You know, the peach truck reference? No ones mentioned that one?
     Jeff :guitar
I think I get the peach reference, "Eat a Peach" (title of the double LP they were working on when he was killed on his motorcycle). I am familiar with the urban legend, that he collided with a peach truck, but I know it was actually a lumber truck. (I suspect that's the reason that no one mentioned that, but who knows?)
Duane Allman did an interview shortly before he died in which he used that phrase, "Eat a Peach (for peace)" in something of a double entendre.
All the best, Jeff.
 :wave
here, have a donut (closest thing we got to a peach around here).  :donut


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: fongie on May 29, 2009, 04:39:22 AM
Definately, JJ is the man. Is it true that Cale don't like showing his face in public? I hear when he performs on stage, his always behind the group, not sure if it's true,
cheers
fongie


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: Zohn on May 29, 2009, 07:01:36 AM
Definately, JJ is the man. Is it true that Cale don't like showing his face in public? I hear when he performs on stage, his always behind the group, not sure if it's true,
cheers
fongie
:+1: I'm not sure which of the two "Crossroads" DVD's it is, but JJ actually plays a song there with a white Strat - the first and only time I've seen him playing/singing. He is renowned for his writing first though. Many an artist is inspired by his music.


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: Will Fly on May 29, 2009, 07:18:00 AM
The song that Willfly put on u-tube, sporting life, and Hard to Thrill are just killer instrumentally and on vocals. Willfly, you've heard the cd and still dont' give him a break?

I think Clapton has a huge talent - and his voice has improved and mellowed with age. I just think that, seen live, he appears to have no soul. In fact, he seems to be unmoved by what he's doing. I bought the JJ Cale/Clapton CD and was, frankly, disappointed. JJ Cale - who I've also seen live - is cool, clever and 100% soul. I've tried doing his multi-layered guitar thing and, even though the notes are there, there's an indefinable quality to his playing and sound which is impossible to better. Clapton just doesn't have that quality, IMHO.

Each to his own, folks. My favourite memory of Clapton is standing about 3 feet from the front of stage in 1966. He's up at the front of the stage, purple light shining through his Afro haircut, drooping moustache, shades - psychedelically-painted Gibson Les Pauls and SGs lined up behind him (he never played Strats in those days) - with Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker on either side - blasting out "Crossroads". Wonderful. But - for me - he just doesn't generate that kind of excitement any more.


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: Parlor Picker on May 29, 2009, 08:15:38 AM
I tend to agree with Will. He certainly had it back in the day, but whatever he had, he's now lost. Or maybe there was no-one around at the time to make a comparison with and then others came along and overtook him.

In recent footage of Clapton shown on British TV where he was on stage with JJ Cale and Jeff Beck he was, to be blunt, not very good. In the Cale film he looked lost as if he didn't have a clue as to what was going on around him and Jeff Beck just blew him away.  I didn't see it, so cannot comment, but a friend (actually one of our top blues guitarists) saw the Robert Johnson thing with EC (why doesn't he just leave that material alone?) and he apparently kept having to ask the other guitarists in the studio how to play the songs.


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: Queequeg on May 29, 2009, 09:11:49 AM
Each to his own, folks. My favourite memory of Clapton is standing about 3 feet from the front of stage in 1966. He's up at the front of the stage, purple light shining through his Afro haircut, drooping moustache, shades - psychedelically-painted Gibson Les Pauls and SGs lined up behind him (he never played Strats in those days) - with Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker on either side - blasting out "Crossroads". Wonderful. But - for me - he just doesn't generate that kind of excitement any more.
another possibility to consider, Will-
Is it possible that perhaps you were more impressionable at that tender age way back in 1966?
I saw Cream the following spring '67 in Cleveland, Ohio on a Sunday afternoon. My first rock concert. I think that the ticket price was $3.50.
Here's JJ Cale performing the song he wrote that was a hit for Poco.
Magnolia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9D2nuzhIfHY)


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: Will Fly on May 29, 2009, 10:38:44 AM
Is it possible that perhaps you were more impressionable at that tender age way back in 1966?

On consideration - and it's more than 40 years ago (I was 22 and married in 1966) - I think probably not. I was fairly picky, I think, even then! There's no doubt that EC played with a fairly raw intensity in those days - before the heroin thing kicked in - and there's always been a some good compositional ideas in him. "Wonderful Tonight" and "Tears In Heaven" are great songs. But if you look at a performer like, for instance, Jerry Reed - you'll see passion, humour and exuberance into rocking old age - and who else but Jerry could have written "The Claw"! (And who else but Jerry Donahue could have written "The Beak"...  :laughin:

Cheers,

Will


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: flatlander on May 29, 2009, 03:00:25 PM
Maybe that's why "hard to thrill" sounds rightous to me. "nothin really moves me anymore".
 I was just real down on Clapton for a long time and feel obligated to give him credit on the occassion that he does do something I like these days. J.J.'s definitely the man though. Also gets as much out of a one chord song as anyone IMO. Usually has one on each album that's just all about groove.


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: BluesMan1 on May 29, 2009, 03:25:43 PM
   Q, never saw that interview or heard that it wasn't a "peach" truck. Learn something new here everyday. I agree with all about the dope just screwing him up so bad, esp. around the days of the making of "Derick & the Dominoes". Heard all was recorded in 3 days with no sleep, just alot of drugs & alcohol. Can hear alot of it in the music. The strain comes through in the voice & the music. That was around the time he was struggling with his love for George Harrison's wife, George being his best friend & it just tearing him apart. As you know, that's who the song "Layla" was written for. And all of the other "sad" songs about woman on the album. You always wonder what some of these guys could have put out if they were straight, such as SRV, Jimmy Page, just to name a couple. Talent wasted, but the good thing, is that Clapton has his act together now & is happy. That's the most important thing & the one that drives you to Drugs, being unhappy. I'm 51, so I just missed the chances to see Cream & some of these other greats by a few years. Am envious of you, not for your age, but for your opportunities! :humour:
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: flatlander on May 29, 2009, 04:59:29 PM
SRV did straighten himself out and was sober the last several years perhaps motivated by his fathers death.
He was actually said to have been sober right at 5 years  when he died.
 I saw him twice, New Years Dec 31 86" at the Fox in Atlanta. GREAT show. Lonnie Mack, the great Cinncinati house rocker, played first unannounced. SRV came out and introduced him and I said "YES SIR". The guys in front of me said "who's he" I said man you'd better strap yourself to seat" Playing his flying V with bag of mojo dangling from it, he tore the house down. Then SRV came out, no let down there. Then at Midnight they both got on stage and jammed with thousands of balloons falling from the stars.(the fox has lit "stars" up on the high ceiling.)
 Then saw him about a week before helicopter crash. Totally outstanding. I wasn't even much into electric at the time either. B.B King played before him. I was hoping that was how it would be, because I love B.B. and would have hated to see him have to play after SRV.
 Of course the word was that it was supposed to be Clapton on the chopper, that's why his manager was onboard, but he gave his seat to SRV so he could catch his plane to Texas and home on time.


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: BluesMan1 on May 29, 2009, 06:00:34 PM
   FL, I didn't mean to insinuate that they didn't straighten out. That's what the song "Life By The Drop" is all about. Sobriety!. Those that are still alive have mostly gotten straight, thank God. Sorry about the confusion. Glad you had the chance to see him (SRV) live, something I wish I had the chance to do. Good thing Clapton didn't decide to get on that chopper, as did some of his people.
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: flatlander on May 29, 2009, 07:58:33 PM
No problem, I just love good stories when people get themselves straightened out.  I don't think SRV's bad years took a perminent toll on his playing.
That is, I can't imagine him being anymore on top of his game, than when I saw him in his later years.


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: obe-wan on June 30, 2009, 06:27:34 AM
I tend to agree with Will. He certainly had it back in the day, but whatever he had, he's now lost.



I saw him in Sydney, Australia earlier this year and he absolutely smoked, vocally and guitar wise. "Slowhand" didnt seem to be slowing down at all.

Cheers, Scott.


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: Zohn on June 30, 2009, 06:47:02 AM


I saw him in Sydney, Australia earlier this year and he absolutely smoked...
Cheers, Scott.
Some guys have it all.... (the fortunate ones who get to see old Slowhand)


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: obe-wan on June 30, 2009, 09:48:09 AM
Some guys have it all.... (the fortunate ones who get to see old Slowhand)


Me in my Clapton t-shirt, holding my Clapton program......at the Clapton concert. Theres a beer at my feet. Happy? You bet!

(http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp318/obeyoung/meinsydney.jpg)


Cheers, Scott.


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: bluesman67 on June 30, 2009, 01:06:44 PM
SRV did straighten himself out and was sober the last several years perhaps motivated by his fathers death.
He was actually said to have been sober right at 5 years  when he died.
 I saw him twice, New Years Dec 31 86" at the Fox in Atlanta. GREAT show. Lonnie Mack, the great Cinncinati house rocker, played first unannounced. SRV came out and introduced him and I said "YES SIR". The guys in front of me said "who's he" I said man you'd better strap yourself to seat" Playing his flying V with bag of mojo dangling from it, he tore the house down. Then SRV came out, no let down there. Then at Midnight they both got on stage and jammed with thousands of balloons falling from the stars.(the fox has lit "stars" up on the high ceiling.)
 Then saw him about a week before helicopter crash. Totally outstanding. I wasn't even much into electric at the time either. B.B King played before him. I was hoping that was how it would be, because I love B.B. and would have hated to see him have to play after SRV.
 Of course the word was that it was supposed to be Clapton on the chopper, that's why his manager was onboard, but he gave his seat to SRV so he could catch his plane to Texas and home on time.

Flatlander,

Both these concerts that you went to, I have recorded on bootleg cassette tapes.  The performances are outstanding.  He did Oreo Cookie Blues with Lonnie Mack during that performance.  PM me if you want me to send you copies of these.  I never did get to see SRV in person but his music lives forever.

As far as EC goes, "Clapton is God".  Plenty of emotion and sole for Unplugged, which happened to win several Grammy's, and plenty of sole in 2001 at the Boston Garden when I saw him, that tour can be seen on DVD and it's outstanding to watch.


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: ducktrapper on July 04, 2009, 12:26:18 PM
I really liked the album with JJ Cale. It was a grower, though. The new album with Steve Winwood is pretty juicy if you like guitar playing at all. Having seen Blind Faith live in 1969, this CD is a real treat. Has anyone seen the DVD? 


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: Muks on July 12, 2009, 12:05:59 AM

Me in my Clapton t-shirt, holding my Clapton program......at the Clapton concert. Theres a beer at my feet. Happy? You bet!

(http://i423.photobucket.com/albums/pp318/obeyoung/meinsydney.jpg)


Cheers, Scott.

Glad you enjoyed the concert Scott!  I was at the NZ leg of the tour here in Auckland and like you was absolutely blown away by the performance.  I was glad I got the chance to see him here in NZ as he doesn't make the trip that often.  Anyway heres a pic that I took of EC playing a little solo acoustic blues during his acoustic set.  Hope you guys like it.  I was lucky enough to have decent seats and I thought it was pretty cool that EC didn't mind the use of cameras.  What a legend!

(http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3267/slowhand1.jpg)


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: jbrummer on July 12, 2009, 01:00:25 AM
At a Larrivee Guitar Workshop in Memphis earlier today Jean Larrivee himself credited Clapton and MTV unplugged for reviving the entire acoustic guitar business back in the late 80's.

That's pretty high praise.


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: Zohn on July 12, 2009, 07:00:07 AM

Me in my Clapton t-shirt, holding my Clapton program......at the Clapton concert. Theres a beer at my feet. Happy? You bet!

Cheers, Scott.
Hey Scott!!
You weren't 42 there yet were you mate? - in fact you looked like a lean, bluesrock machine!! great shot :thumbsup


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: Zohn on July 12, 2009, 07:02:53 AM
At a Larrivee Guitar Workshop in Memphis earlier today Jean Larrivee himself credited Clapton and MTV unplugged for reviving the entire acoustic guitar business back in the late 80's.

  :+1: That's for sure - if it weren't for that famous recording, I think many of us wouldn't be interested in acoustics in the same way we are today :nanadance :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: obe-wan on July 12, 2009, 01:06:20 PM
Hey Scott!!
You weren't 42 there yet were you mate? - in fact you looked like a lean, bluesrock machine!! great shot :thumbsup

Not quiet. I hide it well dont I ? Its quiet a large program though, strategically place in front of my gut.... :whistling:


Glad you enjoyed the concert Scott! Anyway heres a pic that I took of EC playing a little solo acoustic blues during his acoustic set.  Hope you guys like it.

Nice shot Muks ! You where sitting much closer than I got. Great concert.

Cheers, Scott.


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: Zohn on July 13, 2009, 06:39:12 AM
Oh yes, Scott, Fongie, I was glad to see Mark Webber win the Nurburg ring  F1 grand prix yesterday.  :+1: First Ausie since Jack Brabham hey? and the cricket side almost wacked England for the first "Ashes" test as well.


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: obe-wan on July 14, 2009, 02:13:45 PM
Oh yes, Scott, Fongie, I was glad to see Mark Webber win the Nurburg ring  F1 grand prix yesterday.  :+1: First Ausie since Jack Brabham hey? and the cricket side almost wacked England for the first "Ashes" test as well.


Hey Zohn,

I dont mean to be un- patriotic, but I heard some one say that when the kids used to say they wanted a new bike, the reply was always "You can get a new bike when Mark Webber wins a race".....guess there's going to be a few new bikes about soon.... :whistling:

Cheers, Scott.


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: Zohn on July 14, 2009, 04:48:10 PM

Hey Zohn,

I dont mean to be un- patriotic, but I heard some one say that when the kids used to say they wanted a new bike, the reply was always "You can get a new bike when Mark Webber wins a race".....guess there's going to be a few new bikes about soon.... :whistling:

Cheers, Scott.
:+1: Likewise with the local rugby team I support nl. the Lions. Saying goes: when the Lions win the Currie cup, it will snow in Gauteng.
Webber did well though, and the win was well deserved.


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: Big E on July 14, 2009, 05:12:18 PM
I`ve started to listen more intently to Eric Clapton and WOW I like what I hear even more than before I picked up my first guitar last year. :thumbsup


Title: Re: Only one Clapton...
Post by: jimmy buffett on July 16, 2009, 06:08:47 PM
Yes BigE, it's funny how you will appreciate the music in a different way, once you've become a player yourself...

jb