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Title: Clip on Tuners
Post by: lyric_girl on May 23, 2009, 12:21:54 AM
I read the article on 5 Clip On Tuners reviewed in the April 2009 issue of Acoustic Guitar Magazine. If you haven't seen it, it compared the following models:

Crafter TG-200H
Planet Waves Headstock Tuner
Sabine Z-1000
Seiko STX-1
Tunetech TT-500

Was wondering if anybody can recommend any of these or any others that are on the market?

Many thanks,

Lynda


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: lw216316 on May 23, 2009, 12:29:26 AM
Lynda, if you followed my recent post about trying a strobe tuner-
my advice is try one at a store first no matter how good the reports -
It may work well for others but not for you -

or be prepared to return it.

- Larry


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: lyric_girl on May 23, 2009, 12:46:16 AM
Larry,

Yeah I read your diatribe about the strobe tuner. :roll

Thanks for your advice.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: JavaVern on May 23, 2009, 01:07:04 AM
I have had two clip-on's, The Intellitouch (runs about $45) worked, but is a bit large, and for me had trouble locking on to all the strings. I typically had to move it to a couple places on the headstock during tuning. I never bothered to replace the batteries.

The second is what looks to be the Tunetech TT-500 (it was branded Intelli on what I bought.) I like this one very much, it gets the strings more reliably and is nice and compact so I can have it on my instrument at all times. Its jaws open wide enough to clip onto a fiddle scroll also. Takes a special battery (mercury?) but they are easy to find and last about a year. Tuner runs for about $20 to $30.

Don't have any experience with your other tuner choices.




Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: ffinke on May 23, 2009, 01:32:02 AM
I've got the TuneTech TT-500 which seems to be quite stable and accurate with but one caveat: one of the buttons (there are three: 'flat', power/light, and calib.) sounds loose. There is a quite audible rattle which I find distracting and therefore use the TT method: Tune and Take it off.

fred
 :beer



Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: ncognito on May 23, 2009, 02:04:11 AM
I have an Intellitouch which is okay, but could be better; I also have an Oasis OH-11which is very vague.  I want something reliably percise.

          DAVE


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: Barefoot Rob on May 23, 2009, 02:56:29 AM
To me there pretty much all the same.If I may have you ever thought of using a tuning fork.I worked in a shop that had an "A" tang from a zillaphone at the shop entrance that we used to tune almost everything.Just walk by and tap it listen to the ring and start tuning.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: Algonquin on May 23, 2009, 03:25:35 AM
I picked up an inexpensive unit about a month ago that I'm glad I purchased.  It was around $20 CDN which is equal to about $3.79 American (Kidding, it's just shy of $18 US)

It works well on my acoustics, but I've never tried it on electrics as I've a Boss TU-2 for those.  The battery however only lasted about a month, so I'm hoping the replacement battery will last a wee bit longer.  Mine takes the coin sized CR battery that I believe costs around $5 to replace.

I'll see if it has a brand model and post what it is, but as previously mentioned... these units are all likely very similar.

Cheers,
David


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: morrow22 on May 23, 2009, 11:05:28 AM
Hey Lyric-girl,
I have a SABINE Zoid Z-1000, and it is very accurate, and easy to use and see. 


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: BenF on May 23, 2009, 11:24:50 AM
Lynda

I have the Intelli IMT-500, which is a cheaper version of the intellitouch.  It is decent enough, although doesnt pick up the low E unless you position it perfectly, and doesn't do a great job for dropped tunings below E. 

What I do is tune up, and then fine tune fretting at the 12th fret, and find that it gets me pretty much spot on every time.  for a simple to use tuner it does the job plenty well enough for me.  If I were playing out I reckon I would be best to invest in something more accurate, but that is a long way off!!!

Ben


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: obe-wan on May 23, 2009, 12:57:27 PM
I had one of those intellitouch ones for a little while, drove me nuts !  Vague, jumped back and forth. I ended up selling it and going back to my old reliable Korg.

Cheers, Scott.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: bluesman67 on May 23, 2009, 02:53:23 PM
I'm sure they all have their stong points.  The crafter  :thumb has some great features and it's the simplist and smallest tuner I've used.

Pros:
very small
cheap (paid $22)
back lit making it easy tuning in the dark
back light only on when you are tuning a note and immediately shuts off
auto off after about a minute
batteries last forever and it's an inexpensive replacement
back light changes color when you are in tune
can tune to any tuning (eg standard, open a, d, g, ect.) without needing to push a button or change a setting

Cons:
the on/off button is tiny and it would be nice if it were larger


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: lw216316 on May 23, 2009, 03:28:50 PM
hey blues, is there any particular model number on that
Crafter tuner ?
- Larry


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: bluesman67 on May 23, 2009, 03:33:14 PM
It's the one that Lynda was asking about, the TG-200H.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: lw216316 on May 23, 2009, 03:42:25 PM
thanks blue - that one sounds interesting.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: brimc76 on May 23, 2009, 08:26:24 PM
Hi lyric girl, I just saw the flyer for the Monster Days sale at Long & McQuade and they have the Apex clip on tuner on sale for the month of June. I've seen these under a number of different names but it's the same as most of the other $20 tuners -except this is on for less.
I'm not sure if you are anywhere near a L&M store now though.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: lyric_girl on May 24, 2009, 05:23:00 PM
I ended up with an Intellitouch PT-2. Gonna try it out and I can return it if I don't like it.

Thanks for your comments.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: lyric_girl on May 26, 2009, 02:16:39 AM
Well I tried the tuner tonight and I can honestly say that it's going back. Unless there is a way to make the notes stay longer on the display...it's going back.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: bluesman67 on May 26, 2009, 11:31:52 AM
bummer


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: WileE on May 26, 2009, 07:12:31 PM
Well I tried the tuner tonight and I can honestly say that it's going back. Unless there is a way to make the notes stay longer on the display...it's going back.
I have the Oasis OH-11 and like it a lot more than I thought I would. I find it to be much more accurate than the mics on the two non clip-on tuners (Korg & old Matrix) that I have. Also, the note display stays on the very brightly backlit screen for 5-10 seconds.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: tuffythepug on May 26, 2009, 09:22:55 PM
I picked up a TuneTech TT-500 today for $20.   Tried it in the store and it worked perfectly.   It's on my Forum III right now.  I like the compact size which is almost all screen;   very easy to read and very accurate and responsive.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: lyric_girl on May 26, 2009, 11:09:59 PM
Will look into where I can look at a TuneTech and/or Oasis locally.

Thanks  :cheers


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: PortHueneme on May 26, 2009, 11:21:46 PM
I like the Meisel & Intelli's they are the same tuner. Seem accurate and easy to use. The only problem I have had is they sometimes rattle, but that's why they put pockets on shirts. (clip-on, clip-off)


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: BenF on May 27, 2009, 09:52:02 AM
I like the Meisel & Intelli's they are the same tuner. Seem accurate and easy to use. The only problem I have had is they sometimes rattle, but that's why they put pockets on shirts. (clip-on, clip-off)

Mine rattles every G note played, its pretty annoying.

*Note to self, buy shirts with pockets*


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: bluesman67 on May 27, 2009, 12:06:02 PM
The bite from a rattler is venomous.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: BenF on May 27, 2009, 12:32:40 PM
The bite from a rattler is venomous.

*note to self, forget the shirts with pockets idea*


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: Biggs on May 31, 2009, 02:58:01 AM
I have had my Seiko STX-1 for over 2 years and it is still going strong.  After using hand held tuners for years, this was the first clip-on tuner I bought and it continues to serve me well.  It's is built like a tank, quick, accurate, easy to read in low light.  It has all of the features of most other clip-on's and  I don't know that I would need anything else in a tuner.  I would buy another if I lost this one. 


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: aarra on May 31, 2009, 03:15:09 AM
After reading the Acoustic Guitar article I bought the Sabine and I'm very happy with it.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: fongie on May 31, 2009, 03:37:09 AM
Linda, here is a pic of a 'Korg AW-2G' clipon tuner I took on my Guitar Show, Brisbane, Australia outing. It's a real nifty little gadget. The good thing about these tuners is that they work on vibration and not sound. So if there are lots of disturbances, this will not affect it's performance. Also, there are 3 light settings, and it is alot smaller than other clipons.
cheers
fongie

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Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: NotRevGDavis on June 01, 2009, 05:34:26 PM
I was using Meisel/Intelli for awhile and decided to purchase a Korg AW1 it broke the second day I used it. Still using the Meisel/Intelli I have four of them at various places one at work one in a case one on my desk and a spare on the shelf, none of them rattle.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: fongie on June 01, 2009, 09:38:18 PM
I was using Meisel/Intelli for awhile and decided to purchase a Korg AW1 it broke the second day I used it. Still using the Meisel/Intelli I have four of them at various places one at work one in a case one on my desk and a spare on the shelf, none of them rattle.

Hi there, when you say it broke, do you mean it broke down or broke from it's mount?  :? Because the one I was using in the pics above, was quite solid and seems to work very well. I'm about to purchase one myself, so any info would be greatly appreciated
cheer
fongie


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: NotRevGDavis on June 02, 2009, 06:43:39 PM
The AW-1 broke at the pivot from the clip to the screen don't know why but after trying to fix it I realized it was a design flaw. I sent mine back they offered another but since I felt I broke it I declined. The AW-2G looks a bit beefier.
I still think at it's price point the Meisel is a good investment.
<0n edit> I hold no grudge against Korg I used their products until the Intellitouch 1 came out. The Intellitouch had problems picking up the sixth string and sometimes the fifth unless you used a 12th fret harmonic to get it started. I still used it for a couple of years. The biggest problem I have had with the Meisel is giving them away or losing them.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: fongie on June 02, 2009, 09:39:30 PM
The AW-1 broke at the pivot from the clip to the screen don't know why but after trying to fix it I realized it was a design flaw. I sent mine back they offered another but since I felt I broke it I declined. The AW-2G looks a bit beefier.
I still think at it's price point the Meisel is a good investment.
<0n edit> I hold no grudge against Korg I used their products until the Intellitouch 1 came out. The Intellitouch had problems picking up the sixth string and sometimes the fifth unless you used a 12th fret harmonic to get it started. I still used it for a couple of years. The biggest problem I have had with the Meisel is giving them away or losing them.

NotRevGD, do you have pics of this meisel tuners? And what are the cost? The AW2G cost $80.00 in Australia, thats around $65US.
cheers
fongie
cheers
fongie


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: Mike_T on June 04, 2009, 10:13:36 AM
fongie, appreciate the pic of the aw-2g.  :thumbsup  I've never had a clip-on but after seeing this thread and your pic, I went ahead and ordered one. Looking forward to trying it out. 

Mike


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: NotRevGDavis on June 04, 2009, 02:56:49 PM
NotRevGD, do you have pics of this meisel tuners? And what are the cost? The AW2G cost $80.00 in Australia, thats around $65US.

I couldn't find a photo that had much clarity so here is a link to the Intelli Amazon page (http://www.amazon.com/Intelli-IMT500-Backlit-Style-Tuner/dp/B000LY3YFS). The (Tune Tech) Intelli and Meisel are the exact same tuner and the price at Amazon for the Intelli is $17.99USD. 


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: fongie on June 04, 2009, 09:47:11 PM
I couldn't find a photo that had much clarity so here is a link to the Intelli Amazon page (http://www.amazon.com/Intelli-IMT500-Backlit-Style-Tuner/dp/B000LY3YFS). The (Tune Tech) Intelli and Meisel are the exact same tuner and the price at Amazon for the Intelli is $17.99USD. 

Thanks for that, I will look into it.
Thats ok Mike T, it's quite a slick looking gadget, very small in size.
cheers
fongie


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: ark on June 05, 2009, 03:25:57 AM
Apparently Intellitouch has come out with a new mini clip on tuner:

"CARROLLTON, Texas - (BUSINESS WIRE) - The new Intellitouch PT10TM tuner pushes forward the boundaries for small, compact size while still having a large, easy-to-read backlit display.

Features include a needle display, calibration from 430Hz to 450Hz, elegantly simple controls, aggressive pricing levels and a multicolor backlight that makes tuning easier than ever by turning red when out of tune and green when in tune.

A Retail Price of $39.95 and OnBoardTM Research's unique "No Questions Asked" Limited Lifetime Warranty will satisfy even the most cost conscious musician. "


See http://www.tuners.com/pt10.asp

Al



Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: markyboy on June 05, 2009, 07:54:55 PM
I haven't gotten used to them. I still like a pitch pipe for the low E and tune up manually from there. My playing partner s are still tuning and I ready to play.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: NotRevGDavis on June 05, 2009, 09:45:25 PM
After years of loud equipment the worst being straight exhaust chainsaws I am occasionally aurally challenged.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: Mike_T on June 08, 2009, 12:57:41 PM
My AW-2 came over the weekend.  I was very satisfied with the tuner. Worked excellent right out of the box. The backlit display looked pretty cool too.   :bgrin:

Mike


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: BenF on June 08, 2009, 01:03:44 PM
I made positive comments about my Intelli IMT500 previously, but it is doing my head in just now.  It reads accurately enough, but notoriously makes up the note randomly.  You pretty much need it rigged to a lie detector to be sure if you are tuned in correctly.  It generally calls B F# instead, and often calls E A instead.  No idea why.  (And yes, I do mute the other 5 strings whilst tuning)

It is fine for standard pitch, but dropped tunings seem to be alien to it.



Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: Johnny M on June 08, 2009, 02:38:01 PM
I won a Pocket Pitch clip on tuner here a month or so ago and it works really well.  I think they retail for around 20 bucks.  It's as accurate as my Korg and it has a nice backlight feature that allows you to tune in the dark.  Since getting it, the Korg stays in the case and the Pocket Pitch is always close by.

A great tuner for not that much money.  I would recommend them.

John


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: NotRevGDavis on June 08, 2009, 02:47:39 PM
I made positive comments about my Intelli IMT500 previously, but it is doing my head in just now.  It reads accurately enough, but notoriously makes up the note randomly.  You pretty much need it rigged to a lie detector to be sure if you are tuned in correctly.  It generally calls B F# instead, and often calls E A instead.  No idea why.  (And yes, I do mute the other 5 strings whilst tuning)

It is fine for standard pitch, but dropped tunings seem to be alien to it.



Check the battery my Intellitouch went crazy when the battery was low.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: BenF on June 08, 2009, 02:49:06 PM
Check the battery my Intellitouch went crazy when the battery was low.

Good shout, I'll do that!  Thanks.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: RoundLakeDT on June 08, 2009, 05:40:51 PM
It generally calls B F# instead, and often calls E A instead.

Mine does that too... guess it could be the battery, but I assumed it's picking up one of the overtones instead of the root note (since E is the 5th above A, and F# is the 5th above B).  Either way, tuning the overtone should get the root too

I often get better results (and avoid the issue above) by tuning the 12-fret harmonic instead of just plucking the open string.  The harmonic might be "cleaner" than the open string (limited overtones)?  Not sure, but it works

Dave


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: fongie on June 08, 2009, 09:32:48 PM
My AW-2 came over the weekend.  I was very satisfied with the tuner. Worked excellent right out of the box. The backlit display looked pretty cool too.   :bgrin:

Mike

Congrats MikeT, can I ask the cost of these tuners in the US? It's very expensive here in Australia, I probably try and order one from the US, probably cheaper.
cheers
fongie


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: WileE on June 08, 2009, 09:42:08 PM
Check the battery my Intellitouch went crazy when the battery was low.
That is a good call. Since there wasn't a picture of it here, here's a picture of my Oasis -- works great!
(http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6214/tuner2.jpg)


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: NotRevGDavis on June 08, 2009, 10:07:30 PM
That is a good call. Since there wasn't a picture of it here, here's a picture of my Oasis -- works great!

Cool Oasis/Intelli/Meisel  :winkin:


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: PortHueneme on June 08, 2009, 10:58:08 PM
I think one of the coolest things is to be able to tune without hearing the guitar.
When in a jam I can pluck a string just enough to get it vibrating without disturbing anyone.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: Mike_T on June 09, 2009, 10:39:35 AM
Congrats MikeT, can I ask the cost of these tuners in the US? It's very expensive here in Australia, I probably try and order one from the US, probably cheaper.
cheers
fongie

Hi fongie, I actually purchased mine at http://amazon.com (http://amazon.com)   I believe I paid $29.95. I thought that was reasonably priced.  :thumbsup. Thanks again for the reference.

Mike    :cheers


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: bayoubengal on June 10, 2009, 01:12:41 AM
 :+1: on the Pitch Pocket Clip On Tuner!


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: fongie on June 10, 2009, 02:28:15 AM
Hi fongie, I actually purchased mine at http://amazon.com (http://amazon.com)   I believe I paid $29.95. I thought that was reasonably priced.  :thumbsup. Thanks again for the reference.

Mike    :cheers

That is fantastic price Mike, I will look into it, we pay $80.00AUD, around $65.00US. Thanks mate  :thumb
cheers
fongie


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: Mike_T on June 10, 2009, 12:57:12 PM
fongie, you're quite welcome  :thumb

Mike


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: tadol on June 17, 2009, 04:48:41 AM
Just saw this over on the SCGC forum boards, which was a repost from another board, but I thought I would repost it over here as well. Seemed appropriate for this thread - It is a trade in program for a new tuner that Intellitouch is just introducing. Looks like a cool little tuner -

http://www.tuners.com/

________________________________________________________________________

So, send us any Intellitouch tuner, working or not, with $20 and we will send back a new PT10 Intellitouch "Mini" shipping included. How 'bout that?

This will especially help those former Intellitouch users whose PT1 or PT2 are not doing them any good anymore and let them get some value for it.

Send it to our address below. We will send you back a new PT10 Mini the same day we receive your mailing.

Intellitouch Trade In Program
1321 Valwood Parkway, Suite 440
Carrollton, TX 75006

If anyone has questions or comments, please don't hesitate to email us at hello@tuners.com or call us at 800-340-8890.

And, let's all thank ApK for a great idea.

What fun!

Mark Wilson
aka MandoJazzer

______________________________________________________________________

Tad


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: BenF on June 18, 2009, 03:09:48 PM
Check the battery my Intellitouch went crazy when the battery was low.

Put new battery in, and it is ever so slightly less obscure with its readings, but at least the backlight is REALLLLYYYY bright now!

Liked the idea of tuning the 12th fret harmonic, works VERY well, even with dropped tunings dosn to C.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: PaulR on June 18, 2009, 04:01:40 PM

If anyone in the UK is interested, I still have this on board tuner for sale:
http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=26184.0

It gets positioned out of the way inside the sound hole.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: Zohn on July 08, 2009, 05:02:13 AM
These are the best for me. Got myself one per guitar, and they're magic!
http://www.amazon.com/Tune-Tech-TT500-Backlit-Style/dp/B0012QB686/ref=pd_cp_MI_2


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: fongie on July 08, 2009, 05:52:52 AM
These are the best for me. Got myself one per guitar, and they're magic!
http://www.amazon.com/Tune-Tech-TT500-Backlit-Style/dp/B0012QB686/ref=pd_cp_MI_2


 :+1: Bro, how do you find the accuracy?
cheers
fongie


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: Zohn on July 08, 2009, 06:02:24 AM
:+1: Bro, how do you find the accuracy?
cheers
fongie
Good enough mate - no issues. What I particularly like about them is the fact that you leave it on the headstock, and surrounding noise doesn't affect it, which is ideal for gigging.
I don't fancy the idea of pedals - my amp has the functions I need.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: fongie on July 08, 2009, 06:13:12 AM
surrounding noise doesn't affect it,

True, I was told that  :+1:
cheers
fongie


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: Zohn on July 11, 2009, 05:14:30 PM
These are the best for me. Got myself one per guitar, and they're magic!
http://www.amazon.com/Tune-Tech-TT500-Backlit-Style/dp/B0012QB686/ref=pd_cp_MI_2

Went looking for another of those this morning, and couldn't find one, so I got the FZONE FMT-007 instead. Has the same function plus a metronome. Don't think I'll use that function though.


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Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: Big E on July 13, 2009, 03:55:30 PM
Great thread. I too bought the TT500. I was on the westcoast getting ready to jam with a friend, trying to tune my git when my friend says "ok, I'm tuned lets go" I was instantly sold on a "clip on tuner" I bought the same tuner he was using.


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: Big E on July 14, 2009, 05:07:35 PM
One thing to add about my clip on tuner. I find it reads better when the string is plucked with my finger rather than a pick... With a pick I have seen some of the problems others are having with regards to false readings...  :coffee


Title: Re: Clip on Tuners
Post by: NotRevGDavis on July 14, 2009, 05:56:59 PM
Guess I'm gonna send in my Intellitouch PT1 for a PT10. I'll give a review when it arrives.