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Title: Fretboard Oil
Post by: 12barBill on September 13, 2004, 01:13:57 PM
What have you guys found to be the best fretboard oil. I have always used lemon oil (Formby's from the wood finishing section at Lowe's). Not a true guitar use product. It contains petroleum distilates and I have read that they are not too good for your fretboard, but I have never noticed any problems.

Most other lemon oil (guitar use) products contain petroleum distilates or alcohol anyway.

Rob mentioned in a previous post to scrap the lemon oil and use boiled linseed oil. Dumb question #1 : Can you buy boiled linseed oil or do you buy linseed oil and boil it before use (hey, if you don't know you gotta ask, ya know?).

Larrivee mentions on their website that they don't recommend using any oil on the fretboard. Kind of wondered why because most people do. They just recommend humidity control.

I like the dark lustre that you get from oiling the fretboard (and the bridge). I think it gives the guitar a nice look.

What has anyone else used.  


Title: Fretboard Oil
Post by: Randy_R on September 13, 2004, 01:20:40 PM
Boiled linseed oil is purchased that way. Most hardware stores will carry it, as its a common wood preservative. Some wood products will be unfinished and just have the linseed oil rubbed in to provide a 'finish'. It does darken woods slightly.


Title: Fretboard Oil
Post by: fitness1 on September 13, 2004, 01:31:13 PM
Lizard Spit from Elderly's gets the job done just fine ;)  


Title: Fretboard Oil
Post by: Barefoot Rob on September 13, 2004, 02:43:00 PM
I use the boiled linseed oil about twice a year.When I clean the greymatter off a fingerboard I feel it helps keep the wood happy.You shouldn't have to oil a board more then twice a year.Remember wipe on wipe off.


Title: Fretboard Oil
Post by: 12barBill on September 13, 2004, 03:03:12 PM
Rob,

Do you mean wipe on and immediately wipe off. I have always rubbed on with my fingertip and let soak for around 20 minutes, and then wipe dry. Do you think that's bad?

What type of boiled linseed oil do you use (brand, from where)?

Do you also do the bridge?

Does linseed oil give that dark lustre? I suppose it would.

Have you ever heard of a product called  Smith's Wax Polish? The container states it's for "oil finished instruments" and contains "beeswax, lemon oil, and other fine oils." Someone at a local music store recommended it.


Title: Fretboard Oil
Post by: AcousTronic on September 13, 2004, 03:08:46 PM
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When I clean the greymatter off a fingerboard I feel it helps keep the wood happy.
What is best method for getting the dirt off the fretboard? I have always used the finest grade of steel wool (I think it's the '00') but is there a non abrasive way to do it?


Title: Fretboard Oil
Post by: ducktrapper on September 13, 2004, 03:14:06 PM
Most fingers are oily enough. Lemon oil is a no no as far as I've ever heard. Drying factor exceeds cleaning factor. I use a damp cloth occasionally.  


Title: Fretboard Oil
Post by: surfpick on September 13, 2004, 03:18:42 PM
There is a grade of steel wool   #0000
but I just use a small dab of mineral oil
on a small towel and lots of elbow grease.

I buff it all off right away and it always looks great.


Anyone ever see the Usenet thread where the guy responded;

" I tried the lemon juice.. but now my fretboard seems sticky? "

Haha


Title: Fretboard Oil
Post by: Walkerman on September 13, 2004, 03:23:36 PM
Y'all are going to laugh, but I have always used olive oil. :D   Now the only caveat I will add is that I have never used it on a fingerboard that contains inlays.


Title: Fretboard Oil
Post by: Barefoot Rob on September 13, 2004, 03:23:36 PM
I use Parks boiled linseed oil.I clean the fingerboard with 0000 steelwool.By wipe on wipe off I coat the fingerboard with the oil count to 10 wipe off,this helps to remove steel wool splinters and does all it needs to to moisturize the board.Wax is great for surf boards and snow ski's not guitars it seals up the pores.I do not believe you need more then twice a year oiling.and Duck is right that your own body oil does a great job of conditioning the wood,that said when the sweet and other assorted crap builds up and you scub it away with steel wool I find that the linseed oil is a very nice treat for the wood.If you let any oil soak in you can cause damage in the form of softening the glue.




Please forgive any bad english or mis=spelling as I'm just an old repairperson and my brain doesn't quit wok well in that vain anymore. B)  


Title: Fretboard Oil
Post by: rustychicken on September 13, 2004, 03:31:16 PM
i've got some fretboard cleaner by Petros from FQMS. it has no distillates.  like unclrob said, i think you should only use it about twice a year. haven't tried it yet, but for 5 bucks, one bottle should last me till i reach 80. ;)   47 years worth of freboard oil for 5 smackaroonies isn't too bad.


Title: Fretboard Oil
Post by: 12barBill on September 13, 2004, 03:50:46 PM
Well, I've probably never used the lemon oil more than twice in a years time. One main reason I have kind of given the board a slight soaking is that it darkens a rosewood board and makes it look more ebony like. I have turned a rosewood board almost black (very,very, deep, dark brown).

My intent for the topic was not so much about cleaning the board but oiling it, primarily for the look it gives. As I said before, I like the dark lustre you get. Just curious about what is good, what is bad, what can harm, etc.

Rob, no problem with the spelling, etc. If you saw how slow I type, and how much I have to back up and make corrections you would get a good chuckle. I'm pretty bad. I appreciate your input. Don't forget, you have a friend for life bra.  


Title: Fretboard Oil
Post by: FNG on September 13, 2004, 03:55:10 PM
Boiled linseed very occasionally, and usually only after giving a fretboard a good cleaning with the lighest gauge steel wool.  Not really needed on ebony, maybe once a year.  Tiny tiny bit on a rag, apply being careful not to get sloppy.  Let it soak a couple minutes than wipe extra clean.  


Title: Fretboard Oil
Post by: Frederickmando on September 13, 2004, 05:37:04 PM
I have been using the Petros oil from FQMS as well. I can't believe that some people recommend oiling the fretboard every time you change strings.
Also, Brian at Larrivee recommends double boiled linseed oil. Has anyone tried that?
Does the 0000 steel wool leave any marks or scratches?
--Fred


Title: Fretboard Oil
Post by: Barefoot Rob on September 13, 2004, 05:58:01 PM
I've never seen double boiled linseed oil.0000 leaves very tiny tiny marks but thats about it,you are rubbing steel on wood its going to leave some sort of mark but nothing the oil can't relieve.


Title: Fretboard Oil
Post by: HangFire on September 13, 2004, 06:49:29 PM
Dr. Duck's Ax Wax and string lube;

no abrasives
no synthetics
no silicones
no acids

no problem mon... B)  


Title: Fretboard Oil
Post by: naboz on September 13, 2004, 09:16:04 PM
Duck Ax Wax or Lizard Spit...hmmm, oil of newt, bat eyes   :huh:
I just rub my greasy face on the board   :)  


Title: Fretboard Oil
Post by: HangFire on September 13, 2004, 09:44:00 PM
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Duck Ax Wax or Lizard Spit...hmmm, oil of newt, bat eyes   :huh:
I just rub my greasy face on the board   :)
A lot easier if you take the strings off first! :D  


Title: Fretboard Oil
Post by: rockstar_not on September 14, 2004, 11:42:05 AM
I'll second the endorsement for Lizard Spit (which is mostly orange oil as far as I can tell).

Cleans and conditions, and I've never had a problem of it drying out the ebony fingerboard on my L-03.

-Scott

Lizard Spit link below:
http://www.elderly.com/accessories/items/LSFC.htm (http://www.elderly.com/accessories/items/LSFC.htm)

 


Title: Re: Fretboard Oil
Post by: Dan1954 on January 30, 2006, 01:19:44 AM
Today I used 0000 steel wool and mineral oil on my fretboard. It did a beautiful job. I used the food grade oil thinking there probably weren't any nasty chemicals in it. I also put a light coat on the bridge. New set of strings and my OM-03 is singing like a bird... :mellow:


Title: Re: Fretboard Oil
Post by: Daysailer on January 30, 2006, 04:58:20 AM
As a Clarinet Player, with an ebony clarinet, I have used a specility oil jiust called "Bore Oil" . This oil is used to help preserve the wood, which otherwise gets a lot of saliva and then drys out. 

Any thoughts if this would be good for the ebony fretboards.????? 

phill   :mellow:


Title: Re: Fretboard Oil
Post by: jimmyd on January 30, 2006, 12:52:06 PM
I use 0000 steel wool from a woodworking supply house that is free of oils and is supposed to not leave splinters like the hardware store stuff does. Boiled Linseed oil seems to work just fine for me.  I'm told that any cituis oil is bad as it promotes corrosion of frets.


Title: Re: Fretboard Oil
Post by: Denis on January 30, 2006, 01:31:28 PM
As a Clarinet Player, with an ebony clarinet, I have used a specility oil jiust called "Bore Oil" . This oil is used to help preserve the wood, which otherwise gets a lot of saliva and then drys out. 

Any thoughts if this would be good for the ebony fretboards.????? 

phill   :mellow:

Bore oil is what Seagull suggests you use on fretboards.  If memory serves, I think it's in their little car and feeding booklet that comes with each guitar.  I still remember the Godin rep coming into the store I used to work at and he mentioned that he used it.


Title: Re: Fretboard Oil
Post by: Ratishna on January 30, 2006, 03:03:15 PM
I like it when old threads like this one, from some 16 months ago, pop up again.  People really do read the archives.

E. Shoaf


Title: Re: Fretboard Oil
Post by: CF Larrivee on January 30, 2006, 04:08:22 PM
I've been using bore oil my entire "career." A little goes a looooooong way.


Title: Re: Fretboard Oil
Post by: Philphool on January 30, 2006, 10:55:27 PM
I'm just curious.   Have any of you ever seen a fingerboard crack or deteriorate due to lack of putting oil on it?

Phil :huh:


Title: Re: Fretboard Oil
Post by: dcarey on January 30, 2006, 10:59:15 PM
As a Clarinet Player, with an ebony clarinet, I have used a specility oil jiust called "Bore Oil" . This oil is used to help preserve the wood, which otherwise gets a lot of saliva and then drys out. 

Any thoughts if this would be good for the ebony fretboards.????? 

phill   :mellow:

Been using it for years on the recommendation of my tech and a luthier friend. Just a couple drops on a clean cloth during the driest part of the year when the pores are open.

Dan


Title: Re: Fretboard Oil
Post by: 12barBill on January 31, 2006, 03:53:24 PM
I've never seen bore oil. What is it? How do you get oil from a bore? :huh:


Title: Re: Fretboard Oil
Post by: CF Larrivee on January 31, 2006, 04:16:21 PM
Really don't know what bore oil is made from, but you should be able to buy it at any music store that carries band ( banned? ) instruments.


Title: Re: Fretboard Oil
Post by: Daysailer on February 01, 2006, 01:11:51 AM
12barBill....    try one less bar    :GRN> :GRN> :GRN>   or at least one less stout.   

Wrong kind of boar.  you need a tasmainian to go with the Blackwood.   :rolleyes:

phill      :mellow:


Title: Re: Fretboard Oil
Post by: Philphool on February 01, 2006, 05:30:14 AM
Okay you convinced me to try bore oil.    I found an old bottle of it that I used with my clarinet in 1963. (Haven't played that clarinet in a long time.)  The oil looked as good as new.
2 drops of the oil on my fingertip was all it took to cover the entire fingerboard and the bridge.   I left it on for 30 seconds or so and then wiped the wood with a soft cloth.   Looks great.

I'm still not sure that it makes a lot of difference in most cases whether you smear goop on the wood.  But bore oil sure seems like a good choice.    The 1/4 inch of oil in the small bottle should last me for at least 20 years!

Phil :rolleyes:


Title: Re: Fretboard Oil
Post by: Randy_R on February 01, 2006, 12:34:23 PM
And for those without a bassoon in the closet, boiled linseed oil can be got for $2.50/can at your local hardware or Walmart store.


Title: Re: Fretboard Oil
Post by: CF Larrivee on February 01, 2006, 01:45:12 PM
No ... wait ... that's a baboon in my closet.


Title: Re: Fretboard Oil
Post by: dleahy on February 01, 2006, 05:04:52 PM
The difference is that boiled linseed oil drys faster. Raw linseed oil takes a long time to dry. Also, I used boiled linseed oil on one of my guitars and it overpowered the nice natural "woody" smell that I loved so much. It eventually dissapated but I think I would rather something less "nutty" smelling. Maybe it s just me but I rate guitars in this order.... Sound, feel, smell and looks.


Title: Re: Fretboard Oil
Post by: Barefoot Rob on February 01, 2006, 05:08:50 PM
You get bore oil from sqeezing the crap out of a boring person.You can find them anywhere,catching them is the tuff part.They have the ability to put you to sleep. :SHK>


Title: Re: Fretboard Oil
Post by: ronmac on February 01, 2006, 05:23:31 PM
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Sound, feel, smell and looks.

What is the best way to stage amplify the middle two descriptors? :WNK>


Title: Re: Fretboard Oil
Post by: Barefoot Rob on February 01, 2006, 05:59:33 PM
A nice condenser mic?? :GRN>


Title: Re: Fretboard Oil
Post by: CF Larrivee on February 01, 2006, 06:57:38 PM
Only if that mike smells and feels good.