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Title: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Randy_R on March 25, 2009, 09:57:45 PM
This is the place to talk about your new Forum III guitars, or for those who didn't get one, to ask questions now that people are starting to get them.

How about posting arrival dates here...


The old Forum III discussion 'the Wait' is here: http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=25099.0


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on March 25, 2009, 10:39:46 PM
Since nobody else has posted in this brand new thread, I will be the first! :roll

I absolutely love mine. Can't say enough about it. So thrilled that I got back on board with this. Was a ride being part of this project. I will shut up now.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 25, 2009, 10:46:54 PM
  I was waiting for someone else to post first.

         Mine was received on March 16th, 2009. I put the strings on it myself and played my first tune to my wife at the factory.
         My guitar has met and exceeded all my expectations, I am truly amazed at the fit, finish, set up and beautiful tones.
         I was replacing the tuner buttons this morning and when I plucked the low E to tune it, ALL the strings vibrated and I was amazed all over again. What a responsive top this vintage Italian Spruce is turning out to be.
           
danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 25, 2009, 10:50:03 PM
Lynda, I'm still waiting for mine. Spoke to Jim & the time is drawing near. Maybe I shouldn't tell you (don't know why not), but I voted for your F-III guitar as Git of the Month. It's absolutely beautiful & hope it sounds the same. When mine comes, I'll post my impressions. LOL
Jeff :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on March 25, 2009, 10:52:04 PM
Lynda, I'm still waiting for mine. Spoke to Jim & the time is drawing near. Maybe I shouldn't tell you (don't know why not), but I voted for your F-III guitar as Git of the Month. It's absolutely beautiful & hope it sounds the same. When mine comes, I'll post my impressions. LOL
Jeff :guitar

But Jeff, Bella isn't up for GOTM, that would be Holly, my PV-09E. Thanks anyways though.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on March 26, 2009, 01:06:06 AM
I officially request some hi-res pics of someone's rosewood FIII. I need my wood porn fix. :winkin:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bearsville0 on March 26, 2009, 01:10:48 AM
You guys are gonna make me feel jealous all over again.  I'm looking down the road to when somebody is sick of their all-hog F3 and wants to throw it my way.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on March 26, 2009, 01:15:14 AM
You guys are gonna make me feel jealous all over again.  I'm looking down the road to when somebody is sick of their all-hog F3 and wants to throw it my way.

You do know there is one available?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bearsville0 on March 26, 2009, 01:17:25 AM
You do know there is one available?

I'm eating my heart out! Just don't have the cash right now. :crying:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: morrow22 on March 26, 2009, 01:40:49 AM
There was a lot of discussion about the tuners during the anticipation period.  For those of you lucky enough to have gone to the tour and even the luckier ones who have received their FIII-  are you pleased with the tuners


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on March 26, 2009, 01:52:06 AM
There was a lot of discussion about the tuners during the anticipation period.  For those of you lucky enough to have gone to the tour and even the luckier ones who have received their FIII-  are you pleased with the tuners

they are the usual Pings that some people do not like although I've neve had any problems with them on the 3 Larrivees I own that are outfitted with them.   I may change them out for some Gotohs at some point but it would be a cosmetic enhancement as the Pings seem to work just fine for me.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on March 26, 2009, 02:19:27 AM
Can someone attempt to compare one of these in words to an OM-03 please?  :smile:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 26, 2009, 02:37:35 AM
Can someone attempt to compare one of these in words to an OM-03 please?  :smile:
                   WAY BETTER. :winkin:
danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on March 26, 2009, 02:59:27 AM
                   WAY BETTER. :winkin:
danny

Oh dear  :blush:

RW or hog....that is the question  :doh


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 26, 2009, 03:16:04 AM
Lynda, sorry about the mistake. I still stand by my vote. Awesome guitar. Maybe next month? I might submit my "93L-10 after I take an artsy shot like Lynn or Danny. Might have my F-III by then, so who knows what I'll throw @ you! LOL
Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on March 26, 2009, 06:14:07 PM
It has Arrived!!!!
...But I'm still at work.  Stay tuned.  I'll post picts and first impressions in a few hours...

Jordan


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on March 26, 2009, 06:23:21 PM
It has Arrived!!!!
...But I'm still at work.  Stay tuned.  I'll post picts and first impressions in a few hours...

Jordan


YES  YAHOOOOO YIPEEEEEE!!!!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Trinity Guitars on March 26, 2009, 06:37:34 PM
Oh Man it is starting heat up. 16 guitars shipped from Larrrivee Monday for arrival here next week. Nine more shipped today with one being a direct ship in Canada. I wounder if mine will be in this group. I got 100 bone saddle blanks in FexEx yesterday. They will not last long.
  If I see the UPS truck i will get a shot of the first boxes coming off the back.
Jim Holler


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 26, 2009, 06:43:00 PM
                                                      BREAKING NEWS
                                                                               see above


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on March 26, 2009, 07:14:46 PM
It has Arrived!!!!
...But I'm still at work.  Stay tuned.  I'll post picts and first impressions in a few hours...

Jordan

Jordan,

So, are you going home early?  :cheers


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on March 26, 2009, 07:17:28 PM
It has Arrived!!!!
...But I'm still at work.  Stay tuned.  I'll post picts and first impressions in a few hours...

Jordan

 :thumbsup :thumbsup  :+1::thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup :+1: :+1: :+1: :thumbsup :+1: :thumbsup :thumbsup :+1:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 26, 2009, 07:18:12 PM
It has Arrived!!!!
...But I'm still at work.  Stay tuned.  I'll post picts and first impressions in a few hours...

Jordan

So how long before you get home?
Have you got the camera ready?
Don't forget extra batteries!
                                          And let's see what else... oh yea. HAVE A BLAST 
                                    :guitar :guitar :guitar :guitar :guitar :guitar :guitar :guitar :guitar :thumbsup

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on March 26, 2009, 07:51:23 PM
               


                                     YES !

  Things are going to get pretty exciting real soon.   In some ways it seem like the factory tour last week and some of us getting our hands on the Forum IIIs a little early was just a preface to the big story that's about to be written.    I hope you all love your Forum III as much as I love mine.

I have a feeling we are going to be seeing a lot of pictures and reading a lot of stories soon.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on March 26, 2009, 08:29:57 PM
I would have left hours ago but my boss the VP wanted to chat.  Always happens when you want to skip out early.  I will be home at 6 pm EST and will post picts shortly thereafter....

Almost at the finish line.

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BlastersFan55 on March 26, 2009, 08:32:33 PM
I would have left hours ago but my boss the VP wanted to chat.  Always happens when you want to skip out early.  I will be home at 6 pm EST and will post picts shortly thereafter....

Almost at the finish line.

Jordan.

You should have told him you had more important matters to attend to!  :bgrin:

Looking forward to the report!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: ark on March 26, 2009, 08:50:44 PM
The great and fun excitement above triggered a question in my mind. Do "satin" finished guitars require a careful warm-up period after being shipped as do gloss finished guitars?
Thx,
Al


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 26, 2009, 09:00:36 PM
   Mine was fine 10 days ago and as ricky says it was gettin the snot played out of it by several people.
danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Trinity Guitars on March 26, 2009, 09:16:11 PM
The great and fun excitement above triggered a question in my mind. Do "satin" finished guitars require a careful warm-up period after being shipped as do gloss finished guitars?
Thx,
Al
YES!  It is more than the finish that can be effected. Thing about that cold glass of ice water on a hot humid day. All the condinsation forming on the out side of the glass. The same thing can happen with your cold guitar. On the finish and inside the sound box. The thermal shock can also cause some very fast damage to the woods as well as the finish. Let it warm up before you open it. Best way to to this is 1) open the box only when it does not feel cold to your hand. STOP! do not open the case until it does not feel cold. When you open the guitar touch the top. If it is cold close the case back up and wait. I know it is hard but why risk damage for a short time more of waiting.
Jim Holler


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on March 26, 2009, 10:11:30 PM
Mine FIII on the way:

"Your guitar left our Vancouver factory yesterday. Please use the tracking number below to track your guitar at www.ups.com"

It left Thursday so I'll probably get Monday or Tuesday next week since thee are no customs to bother with.

Cheers,

Adam


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on March 26, 2009, 10:34:21 PM
Congratulations Jordan and Adam.

Since mine ended up getting checked on the plane, the case was cold when I got it home. I let the case warm up and then carefully opened it up and it was fine.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on March 26, 2009, 10:36:47 PM
I AM SPEECHLESS.....

Give me 20 min or so to upload some picts.  Its beyond my imagination.  Its a work of art.  I am in awe.  Holy CRAP!

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on March 26, 2009, 10:44:53 PM
We were hoping you could be a little more enthusiastic.  :roll

Waiting for pics.

Norman


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on March 26, 2009, 10:45:17 PM
I AM SPEECHLESS.....

Give me 20 min or so to upload some picts.  Its beyond my imagination.  Its a work of art.  I am in awe.  Holy CRAP!

Jordan.


Another satisfied customer.   :bgrin:     That's just the reaction I was expecting.  pretty nice, huh Jordan ?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on March 26, 2009, 10:48:02 PM
Jordan, I knew you were gonna react that way. Welcome to the club.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on March 26, 2009, 10:55:18 PM
Here are the first four pictures.....I AM SPEECHLESS...

Jordan.

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on March 26, 2009, 10:56:19 PM
Second four pictures...

Jordan.

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on March 26, 2009, 10:57:27 PM
She's gorgeous Jordan. Kind of reminds me of Tuffy's  :roll


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: morrow22 on March 26, 2009, 10:58:00 PM
 :nice guitar:That is really nice.  I love that herringbone against the mahogany. How does it sound?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on March 26, 2009, 11:17:02 PM
Folks,

I'm at a bit of a loss for words.  I will write something a bit more detailed when my feet are back on the floor and I'm thinking straight.  For now...I just wanted to say thank you to Jim Holler, Ricky, Randy, Danny, Tuffy, Photomat, Lynda....and all those who I haven't thanked for this incredible treasure. 

Special, special thanks to John Larrivee and the entire team in Vancouver.  I really don't know how to thank you enough...

Humbly,

Jordan.

P.S.  The guitar is crazy loud for such a small guitar.  Tone is awesome.  The whole thing just vibrates when you play.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Trinity Guitars on March 26, 2009, 11:22:12 PM
Folks,

I'm at a bit of a loss for words.  I will write something a bit more detailed when my feet are back on the floor and I'm thinking straight.  For now...I just wanted to say thank you to Jim Holler, Ricky, Randy, Danny, Tuffy, Photomat, Lynda....and all those who I haven't thanked for this incredible treasure. 

Special, special thanks to John Larrivee and the entire team in Vancouver.  I really don't know how to thank you enough...

Humbly,

Jordan.

Jordan   GREAT   I gotta tell you for me this kind of joy is what its all about. Enjoy. Now when do i get mine.?
Jim Holler




P.S.  The guitar is crazy loud for such a small guitar.  Tone is awesome.  The whole thing just vibrates when you play.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on March 26, 2009, 11:26:49 PM
Yup.   Looks like mine alright.  Like you, Jordan, I was completely taken by surprise at how loud this guitar is.  It's like a big guitar in a small body.  There's nothing about it I don't like.    Congratulations.
You are gonna have some fun with this little guy.  Go ahead, strum the crap out of it;    it can take heavy strumming and still deliver great tone when lightly fingerpicked.   Anxious to hear more of your comments when you've put her to the test.




Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on March 26, 2009, 11:29:20 PM
Yes, the sound is amazing for a smaller bodied guitar.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 26, 2009, 11:41:09 PM
Jordon, now I'm staring to wonder if I made the right wood choice. Never played a full HOG. Saw some Martins, just didn't have the desire to pick them up. Honestly, I don't think ant of us could have gone wrong with any combo! Beautiful guitar & photo! Happy playing for years! :thumb
Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: es-335 on March 26, 2009, 11:49:54 PM
jordan, that is the most beautiful piece of mahogany I've seen..


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Daysailer on March 26, 2009, 11:58:36 PM
Can someone attempt to compare one of these in words to an OM-03 please?  :smile:


I dont have my F-III yet but maybe my experience with 2 different Larrivee OM-03's will help.
FWIW......
I once had an OM-03 Blackwood Back and sides, sitka spruce top,  14 frets to the body. Wonderful guitar.  When compared to my Forum 1 OM-03 all hog, 12 fret,  the 12 fret wins hands down.  Even though the all hog is supposed to be quiter with less overtones and sustain, my experience was that the 12 fret difference gives my all hog, more of each quality and is (so far)  my favorite guitar for my mostly fingerstyle playing.  
I'm not sure I should share this next bit of info, caught some flak last time I mentioned it......My Forum I still has the original elixer strings on it that came from Jason when he set up these forum's.  Original owner bought this  guitar for a gift for his son to learn on,  no interest, so I picked it up barely played.  I play it a couple of times a week, for the last two years. No percieved dropoff of sould quality. I am not a fan of elixers, but I am so happy with the sound that changing strings seems like fixing something not broken.  So why do  it ?

My point is I think the 12 fret F-III will definatly be a different beast in any wood combination to any 14 fret OM.  Thats why I decided to get in on the F-III's,  I am becoming a 12 fret believer.
Hope this helps  


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on March 27, 2009, 12:03:02 AM


P.S.  The guitar is crazy loud for such a small guitar.  Tone is awesome.  The whole thing just vibrates when you play.

Congrats Jordan

Wow what a great looking guitar.  Some Flame Mahogany going on.  I sat in front of Tuffy's at the jam and had the same reaction.....wow is it loud and clear.  When we were in the factory. I was holding a guitar and the whole guitar was vibrating just with the sound from the room.

It is great to relive the intense joy each of us were experiencing at the factory tour.   :nice guitar:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on March 27, 2009, 12:05:23 AM


Jim must be speechless, too!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on March 27, 2009, 12:15:16 AM
Here are two outdoor shots with more natural light.  It looks kinda honey brown inside and gets a bit more reddish brown in the daylight.  The flaming is awesome and it changes in the light as you look at the guitar from different angles.  This is something special.

Jordan.

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BlastersFan55 on March 27, 2009, 12:15:44 AM
Jordan, that's a beauty....congrats!  Can't wait for my all hog to come through the door.

I have mine coming with a tort pickguard installed by Jim.  Based on the beauty of the mahogany of your guitar, I think I'll just have him leave it off for now.  


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on March 27, 2009, 12:18:40 AM
I forgot to mention...

There are two pick guards in the case.  One is tortoise and the other is clear.  There is also a truss rod adjustment tool and 3 Larrivee guitar picks...

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on March 27, 2009, 12:19:25 AM
WOW  from this:



To This

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 27, 2009, 12:25:25 AM
Really nice but I still like my IS. But it sure looks pretty.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on March 27, 2009, 01:05:45 AM
Beautiful flamed Mahogany, I love it.  "Hogs forever"!

 :nana_guitar  :nana_guitar  :nana_guitar  :nana_guitar  :nana_guitar  :nana_guitar  :nana_guitar  :nana_guitar  :nana_guitar  :nana_guitar  :wave


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on March 27, 2009, 01:14:45 AM
Yup.   Looks like mine alright.  



No, it doesn't. It's backwards!  :tongue:

Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on March 27, 2009, 01:35:46 AM
 :nana_guitar
Awesome!!  Congratulations man.

Hey bluesman1, you will be fine with yours, you just need to add a hogtop too, grab one of the extras!!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Hogtop on March 27, 2009, 01:55:48 AM
Congradulations Jordon! She sure is a beauty! Even though my forum name is Hogtop, I went with the IS top. Must concur however that no matter what woods were chosen, all of us have received or will soon a very, very special guitar.  :nice guitar: :thumb
   


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on March 27, 2009, 02:49:05 AM
Hey everyone.  I've been playing the new guitar this evening and I gotta tell you...its quite an interesting little guitar.  The small size and 12 fret neck makes it extremely comfortable to play but it sure surprises you with the amount of sound that comes out of it.  The real difference I'm noticing between this guitar and my D-03 is tone of the sound coming from the guitar.  My D-03 is spruce/hog and it has a very deep full sound with lots of sustain.  My new all hog Forum III is quite different.  Its almost as loud as my D-03 except that its not as boomy, has less sustain and the tone of the sound has a very distinctive brassy/woody kind of sound.  Its very unique and given this is my first exposure to hog top guitars...maybe this is quite typical.  When you play the guitar, the whole body vibrates against your belly and you really feel like the guitar is alive.  The neck is great.  Its a tiny bit wider than my D-03 but I'm not noticing the difference.  The action is nice and low and its perfectly suited to my finger picking style of playing.  Just for fun, I took out a pick and wailed and it sure comes alive.  It lights up like a Christmas tree.  It doesn't seem to mind any style of playing. 

Looks like me and this funny little guitar are gonna get along just fine.  BTW...the new guitar smell coming from the soundhole is "da bomb".  Intoxicating!!!!

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: johnny37 on March 27, 2009, 03:13:22 AM
  BTW...the new guitar smell coming from the soundhole is "da bomb".  Intoxicating!!!!

Jordan.

Hmmm ...  I think I saw tuffy fart in there.   :nanadance :bgrin: :bgrin: :humour:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on March 27, 2009, 12:36:35 PM
Jordan, every one of these guitars seems to look better than the last one.  Congratulations, and I am glad it is meeting your expectations!!

The flame like grain in the Hog top is absolutely stunning

It is becomming apparent to me that the only 03 series things on these guitars are the satin finish, bridge pins and nut and saddles (the latter of which is being addressed by JH for the majority of buyers).  The wood used is, as far as I have seen thus far, is far superior to normal 03 standards.  I think the Larrivee guys have put even more into this than we even first imagined.

enjoy your  :guitar :guitar Jordan


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Denis on March 27, 2009, 12:46:35 PM
That is definitely some sweet mahogany you've got there Jordan!!!  I'd love to try that!!!

Mine has yet to ship..... :crying: :crying: :crying: :crying:



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 27, 2009, 01:24:22 PM
     I truly think that Larrivee/Vancouver put extra effort into these. I have never played a Larrivee like this one ever.
 The box vibrates like a lightly braced custom git. I don't know if it's just the IS top though, because Jordan has expressed how his all hog does this also, though his tone description is 180 degrees form the MH/IS.
   
       I am so encouraged with the outcome on these F-III's and look forward to more input as members receive there new gits. I hope everyone who receives one would post at least a few comments.

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on March 27, 2009, 02:30:47 PM
Now I'm getting pretty excited.  I've been insanely busy with work and personal stuff (9 month old at home!) lately, but seeing pics of the finished instruments at home is piquing my interest. 

Looking forward to more reviews of the IS/hog combo, especially the few with the cutaway! 

Adam


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: GA-ME on March 27, 2009, 03:17:16 PM
Confirmation Bias?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on March 27, 2009, 03:30:44 PM
Confirmation Bias?


translation please.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on March 27, 2009, 03:42:50 PM

translation please.

It's term used to describe how people can subjectively evaluate their decisions or impressions by seeking those opinions in others that confirm their own beliefs. If I believe that Global Warming is an immediate threat to our biosphere brought on by man then I may ignore data that might suggest we are on a geological trend of warming and that it may as much do to natural processes as it is to SUVs and cow farts. Instead, I would go to Al Gore's website and follow only the links he provides me to read. Another example would be voting by proxy for John Stewart. Yet another example would be filtering out Larrivee reviews or advertisements in magazines and ignoring others.

For the record, I am actually playing devil's advocate in my examples above. I just think that we need to keep an open mind in arenas that operate on a geological time scale or with a history as long as a sound-bite.

Marshall McLuhan suggested that we only ever pay attention to advertisements for products we already have.  :bgrin:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: GA-ME on March 27, 2009, 03:58:02 PM

translation please.

Translation: http://psy.ucsd.edu/~mckenzie/nickersonConfirmationBias.pdf


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bearsville0 on March 27, 2009, 04:55:25 PM
Confirmation Bias?


Since guitars have names and personalities, let's not forget the PT Barnum Effect.  They must be having the time of their lives :humour:







Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 27, 2009, 05:14:30 PM
  Translate this "sour grapes"  :whistling:

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on March 27, 2009, 05:42:12 PM
I'm probably 3-4 weeks from receiving my LS-03R.  I have been really low key about its arrival since I don't want to be non-plussed when I see and hear it.  The last thing you'll see me doing is gushing praise during the honeymoon period with the guitar.  Having bought and sold 4 Larrivees I am cautiously optimistic.

12-fret guitars do seem to kick out a lot of volume for the size so I am not surprised at the postings talking about that.  Classical guitars are similar.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on March 27, 2009, 06:57:46 PM
  Translate this "sour grapes"  :whistling:

danny

 :thumbsup


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: GA-ME on March 27, 2009, 07:21:55 PM
It's term used to describe how people can subjectively evaluate their decisions or impressions by seeking those opinions in others that confirm their own beliefs. If I believe that Global Warming is an immediate threat to our biosphere brought on by man then I may ignore data that might suggest we are on a geological trend of warming and that it may as much do to natural processes as it is to SUVs and cow farts. Instead, I would go to Al Gore's website and follow only the links he provides me to read. Another example would be voting by proxy for John Stewart. Yet another example would be filtering out Larrivee reviews or advertisements in magazines and ignoring others.

For the record, I am actually playing devil's advocate in my examples above. I just think that we need to keep an open mind in arenas that operate on a geological time scale or with a history as long as a sound-bite.

Marshall McLuhan suggested that we only ever pay attention to advertisements for products we already have.  :bgrin:

limnephilidae, most cool, you're the first bug I ever heard of to know a bit of cognative theory!



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 27, 2009, 07:29:09 PM
  Man my G.E.D. did'nt have innyteen bout kno cogs n theery's :blush:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: es-335 on March 27, 2009, 07:34:08 PM
Mine is on the way!! it got shipped yesterday(thursday)..

considering that Jordan's took 3-4 business days..

I expect to get it on monday or tuesday as well!

YIPPIE!!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bearsville0 on March 27, 2009, 07:40:45 PM
  Translate this "sour grapes"  :whistling:

danny

Why would you say that? I'm happy for you guys.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 27, 2009, 07:41:36 PM
Mine is on the way!! it got shipped yesterday(thursday)..

considering that Jordan's took 3-4 business days..

I expect to get it on monday or tuesday as well!

YIPPIE!!
  Good for you Jeff, I for one can't wait to hear you "gush" about your new git. I know this one means a lot to you. And thanks for your part in all the labor with the F-III on the forum.

 
Why would you say that? I'm happy for you guys.
     Cause you are a good translator?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: es-335 on March 27, 2009, 07:59:40 PM
Thanks Danny and others: Norman, Ricky, Tuffy, Lynda, Jim and so many others forum members... who made this happen!!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on March 27, 2009, 08:51:15 PM
It's term used to describe how people can subjectively evaluate their decisions or impressions by seeking those opinions in others that confirm their own beliefs. If I believe that Global Warming is an immediate threat to our biosphere brought on by man then I may ignore data that might suggest we are on a geological trend of warming and that it may as much do to natural processes as it is to SUVs and cow farts. Instead, I would go to Al Gore's website and follow only the links he provides me to read. Another example would be voting by proxy for John Stewart. Yet another example would be filtering out Larrivee reviews or advertisements in magazines and ignoring others.

For the record, I am actually playing devil's advocate in my examples above. I just think that we need to keep an open mind in arenas that operate on a geological time scale or with a history as long as a sound-bite.

Marshall McLuhan suggested that we only ever pay attention to advertisements for products we already have.  :bgrin:

You must be one of them thar inter-lectuals   :wacko:

Whatever it is, it worked on me. I just ordered one!  :bgrin:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on March 27, 2009, 09:36:15 PM
limnephilidae, most cool, you're the first bug I ever heard of to know a bit of cognative theory!



When I did my masters, 3 of my profs were Cognitive Science PhDs so we used to throw around Wittgenstein and Vygotsky. I was always grounded in the biological evolutionary systems and complexity theory so we had some good arguments. All that being said, I don't think anyone can be objective about the Forum III so I'm going to surf the emotional surge and salivate over my new guitar when it arrives, just like Dan.  :thumbsup

Seriously though, it was such a nice day I dusted off my brown-eyed girl riffs and belted out some chords in the park. Someone actually started to sing which was a terrific compliment since they actually recognized what I was playing. I can't wait for the Forum III to get her so I can Christen her with some summer music.

UPS checked hourly....


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on March 27, 2009, 09:49:24 PM
I can't wait for the Forum III to get her so I can Christen her with some summer music.


Good shout, I am sitting in my living room learning 'here comes the sun' especially for christening my forum III.

Any other ideas for very happy summer songs???  bear in mind if it has more than three chords I am stuffed.

Can you make some form of timed mechanical device for hitting the f5 button for the next few days, so you can have both hands free for guitar playing?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on March 27, 2009, 10:02:17 PM
Good shout, I am sitting in my living room learning 'here comes the sun' especially for christening my forum III.

Any other ideas for very happy summer songs???  bear in mind if it has more than three chords I am stuffed.

Can you make some form of timed mechanical device for hitting the f5 button for the next few days, so you can have both hands free for guitar playing?

I bet Sweet Jane would sound great on the FIII and it's a pretty easy pace. It's a terrible shame that my dog could sing it better than I could.

"Oh, all the poets they studied rules of verse
And the ladies, they rolled their eyes"

And yes, I already wrote a klugey script to check for UPS status updates.  :arrow


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 27, 2009, 10:03:57 PM
You must be one of them thar inter-lectuals   :wacko:

Whatever it is, it worked on me. I just ordered one!  :bgrin:
 Which style?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on March 27, 2009, 10:15:21 PM
 . All that being said, I don't think anyone can be objective about the Forum III so I'm going to surf the emotional surge and salivate over my new guitar when it arrives, just like Dan.  :thumbsup

Seriously though, it was such a nice day I dusted off my brown-eyed girl riffs and belted out some chords in the park. Someone actually started to sing which was a terrific compliment since they actually recognized what I was playing. I can't wait for the Forum III to get her so I can Christen her with some summer music.

UPS checked hourly....



That's ok.   Objectivity is highly overrated and is frowned upon here.  :bgrin:


Hey Ben, ..      "Happy summer songs"?     I just logged a few happy minutes with Jimmy Buffet's "Margaritaville".    If you can manage 4 chords instead of 3 you can play it too  :bgrin:

the chords are D, A, G, and D7

Ahhhh.   Spring is in the air, the birds are singin', Blender is blendin', strummers are strummin' and the Forum III is sounding as sweet as can be.  Life is good.

T




Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 27, 2009, 10:24:53 PM
  Just don't "blow out a flip flop", cause then you'll have to "cruise on back home."


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on March 27, 2009, 10:25:00 PM
 Which style?

I'm getting the IS/MH. I thought about the IS/RW, but I wanted to be as different as my L-03R as possible this time.  :smile:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 27, 2009, 10:27:25 PM
I'm getting the IS/MH. I thought about the IS/RW, but I wanted to be as different as my L-03R as possible this time.  :smile:
  Well, at the risk of being  :roll :roll :roll :roll :roll :roll :roll :roll :roll :roll :roll a bit enthusiastic.
                                               GREAT CHOICE  :nana_guitar

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on March 27, 2009, 10:31:24 PM

Whatever it is, it worked on me. I just ordered one!  :bgrin:

Congratulations dragon.  :cheers


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on March 27, 2009, 10:38:30 PM
I'm getting the IS/MH. I thought about the IS/RW, but I wanted to be as different as my L-03R as possible this time.  :smile:
:thumbsup congratulations!!!!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 27, 2009, 10:42:50 PM
I'm getting the IS/MH. I thought about the IS/RW, but I wanted to be as different as my L-03R as possible this time.  :smile:
.
                              Oh yea, congratulations.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on March 27, 2009, 10:43:50 PM
Wow! I'm really touched  :crying: Thank you all, very much!  :smile:  :crying:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on March 27, 2009, 11:29:27 PM
Thanks Danny and others: Norman, Ricky, Tuffy, Lynda, Jim and so many others forum members... who made this happen!!

No problem. This git seems to be a fix for pure joy. Enjoy yours ... but only after you post some pictures for us to share!

Norman


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on March 28, 2009, 12:13:52 AM
I bet Sweet Jane would sound great on the FIII and it's a pretty easy pace. It's a terrible shame that my dog could sing it better than I could.

"Oh, all the poets they studied rules of verse
And the ladies, they rolled their eyes"



One of my favourites to sing and play too. It took awhile to do both at the same time and get the timing of the vocals right - of course Lou sort of scats it anyway most of the time. So, do you simplify it leaving out the Bm like the Cowboy Junkies? And do you do the "heavenly wine and roses" bit?

Just found out my FIII will be ready on Tuesday. Went to the factory today and made sure they built it left-handed this time.   :thumbsup

The top on it is just stunning. I'll post pics after I pick it up.

Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on March 28, 2009, 12:21:14 AM

One of my favourites to sing and play too. It took awhile to do both at the same time and get the timing of the vocals right - of course Lou sort of scats it anyway most of the time. So, do you simplify it leaving out the Bm like the Cowboy Junkies? And do you do the "heavenly wine and roses" bit?

Just found out my FIII will be ready on Tuesday. Went to the factory today and made sure they built it left-handed this time.   :thumbsup

The top on it is just stunning. I'll post pics after I pick it up.

Mike


Mike
when I saw the wood you selected I knew it was going to be special.    I guess that might make up for the disappointment of having to wait a few extra weeks.   :thumb


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on March 28, 2009, 12:24:09 AM
Mike,

I am SO happy to hear that yours is almost ready. Looking forward to pics.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BlastersFan55 on March 28, 2009, 12:34:40 AM
After seeing the pics of Jordan's guitar, I emailed Jim and asked him to leave the tort pickguard off. 

Just couldn't see a reason to block any part of that hog top.  I guess not being one of the first does have it's advantages!  :thumb

This whole thing in retrospect has been a gas.  Man, does time fly.



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on March 28, 2009, 12:54:24 AM
Mike

That is GREAT news.  I can hardly wait to see it.

Boy, won't this be a long weekend?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on March 28, 2009, 01:00:30 AM
After seeing the pics of Jordan's guitar, I emailed Jim and asked him to leave the tort pickguard off. 

Just couldn't see a reason to block any part of that hog top.  I guess not being one of the first does have it's advantages!  :thumb

This whole thing in retrospect has been a gas.  Man, does time fly.

There was also a clear pick guard included in the guitar case.  After finally seeing the incredible wood on my new guitar, there is no way I will install the tortoise pick guard.  I may stick down the clear one sometime down the road but for now...I'm just enjoying looking at the guitar without it.  One of the most stunning features of these guitars are the tops.  I wouldn't want to cover that up.

Another interesting feature that people aren't discussing is the raw ebony fret boards.  My fretboard has lots of streaks in it that gives it a very wild and vintage look.  Goes well with the all hog theme of the guitar.

I got home from work today and opened up the case for a quick look before heading out for dinner.  Blew me away again even though I knew what was there.  Incredible.

I'm really looking forward to all the other reactions as guitars start showing up next week at people's homes...

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 28, 2009, 01:14:45 AM
Joseph, will you buy it for me? My birthday is coming up in Aug.. I'm sure Jim will let you make payments! I'm with Danny: can't wait for my IS/HOG to be in my grip. Grasp. Whatever. In it's home. Final resting place with me. Might have it buried with me (my wife would love that).
I really think the 12 frets to the neck is a major sound factor here. Dave Wren emphasized this with me on the phone, also the I/S. Seemed like he couldn't believe Jean was letting it go for the F-III's. No disrespect meant for all HOG, but I just can't wait for mine. Sold mt Epi AJ-500M today (reluctantly) for F-III $, so I can deal with it.
Joseph, maybe you all could pitch in & surprise me with an all HOG? Maybe with a decoder ring thrown in! :humour:
Has to be humour 'cuase I know it's just a dream. That's my life,"Living in a Dream"!
Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on March 28, 2009, 01:28:03 AM
Mike

That is GREAT news.  I can hardly wait to see it.

Boy, won't this be a long weekend?


No kidding. Must...stay...busy.

And resolve the question: to pickguard or not. It will be clear or nothing, that much is for sure.

Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on March 28, 2009, 05:13:57 AM
Mike - That is great news for you, but rather depressing for those of us who had our hands on our finished and cased guitars while you were still picking out wood, and we're still waiting for ours to get delivered !!!

Jim! We need an update!!

 :angry:  Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: iDavid on March 28, 2009, 05:57:16 AM
After seeing the pics of Jordan's guitar, I emailed Jim and asked him to leave the tort pickguard off. 

Just couldn't see a reason to block any part of that hog top.  I guess not being one of the first does have it's advantages!  :thumb

This whole thing in retrospect has been a gas.  Man, does time fly.



I hear ya

I hope my all hog has that quality wood... just breath taking, I am SOOOO jealous (until I get mine)

david


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on March 28, 2009, 06:00:43 AM

No kidding. Must...stay...busy.

And resolve the question: to pickguard or not. It will be clear or nothing, that much is for sure.

Mike

If I had my way, I'd fly to Vancouver, go with you to the Factory on Tuesday.

You pick up your all-hog FGIII, we oooohhh and aaaaahhhh together; then you help me pick which IS/hog to get.

I don't care whether it's numbered or not.  The Forum Guitar III is the bomb!
(translation: it sounds fantastic - everyone who hears it is wowed by how good it sounds).

We both come out of the Factory with our new gits: your first, my second.  Head over to your place. Jam. Is there any left in the fridge?
Order food - let's do Greek this time! Jam, jam, jam, jam...

A second FG III?  Okay... wake up ricky, wake up, wake up!

End of daydream,

ricky...

Enjoy your git Mike!  (If you know you're the only one playing this git and you are pretty disciplined with strumming, then you don't need a PG; Who knows, John might even throw in a bone saddle - sorry, I'm not finished daydreaming  :humour:).


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: vates on March 28, 2009, 08:08:43 AM
subscribed.

still waiting though  :ph34r:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on March 28, 2009, 08:31:14 AM
If I had my way, I'd fly to Vancouver, go with you to the Factory on Tuesday.

We both come out of the Factory with our new gits: your first, my second.  Head over to your place. Jam. Is there any left in the fridge?
Order food - let's do Greek this time! Jam, jam, jam, jam...

ricky...

Enjoy your git Mike!  (If you know you're the only one playing this git and you are pretty disciplined with strumming, then you don't need a PG; Who knows, John might even throw in a bone saddle - sorry, I'm not finished daydreaming  :humour:).

Being a lefty, it's not often that I get a chance to share - that was one of the intangible yet very tangible benefits of being part of this project which will hopefully be repeated soon.

Yes, there's still beer in the fridge, despite my best attempts, etc. The Szechuan is, thankfully, long gone, or we'd need to have an ambulance standing by.

See you Tuesday.  :ohmy:

Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on March 28, 2009, 12:25:12 PM
Ricky, hate to break it to you, but Beth said NO!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Safricanplayer on March 28, 2009, 05:43:43 PM
Jordon,

That's a great looking all Hog. I'm really excited to get mine. I ordered an IS/RW for my daughter, so it's going to be REALLY interesting to A/B both guitars :smile:

 Enjoy....

    ~ Ray ~


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: kinnez on March 28, 2009, 06:06:48 PM
Just got on board with a surplus Forum III and couldn't be happier. javascript:void(0); A question to some of you in the know about the woods.  I've searched the threads and didn't really find the information.

What is the difference in Italian Spruce and the Stika Spruce? and there was some mention in a previous thread that the Italian Spruce has been aged for a significant time.  And if the woods are higher grade does that mean they have been aged longer?

Thanks


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on March 28, 2009, 06:24:18 PM
When we (actually not me...the smarter people on the Forum like Randy, Ricky, Tuffy, Danny, etc) starting kicking around the idea for the Forum III guitar, a few folks remembered that Jean Larrivee had a stash of Italian Spruce tops that he had brought back from Europe a number or years back.  Jim Holler asked Jean if this wood was available for the Forum III guitars and he graciously agreed.  I have an all hog Forum III guitar and I haven't seen the Italian Spruce used on our new guitars. My understanding is that its much lighter/creamier in color vs. Canadian Sitka spruce and that the tonal qualities are superior and someone unique.  I'm not sure of the age of the tops but I think they have been sitting in the Vancouver shop for quite some time.  Maybe someone who went on the tour can respond with more accurate information.

In any case...these guitars are very unique and special given the wood used for the tops.

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on March 28, 2009, 06:41:58 PM
Jordon, it was posted that they were cut in '72, so they've been aging since. Jean might have thrown some kinda magic mojo @ them, thus the "extra" tonal qualities!
Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on March 28, 2009, 06:50:56 PM
Here's a couple things I found while researching the Italian spruce.

From a response by Tim McKnight, a sponser on the AGF site, to a question about the differences between spruces.
"You have to be careful with generic names like Euro spruce. I only have experience with Carpathian Spruce (Picea Abies) from the Ukrain / Black Sea area, Caucasian Spruce (Picea Orientalis) from Turkey and Italian (Picea Abies from the Italian Alps). None of these are the equivelant to our native Addirondac or Red Spruce (Picea Rubens).

Both of the Picea Abies are creamy white and can exhibit golden "hard Line" streaks in the wood (which I like). These darker streaks are supposedly from a tough or harsh winter condition but the good thing about these "hard lines" is that they make the sound board a LOT stiffer. The unique quality of this wood is that the white wood between the growth lines is very soft (like cedar) which makes it very responsive to a light touch. The grain lines are the HARDEST of any spruces that I have ever cut. You can't even dent these lines with your thumbnail. You will bend or break your nail before you dent the lines. These lines give the wood exceptional stiffness (stiffer than Adi) which in turn lets it have a higher headroom approaching or equaling Sitka but not exceeding Adi.
The Caucasian spruce is more of a golden color and has much tighter grain counts as it grows in higher elevations. The wood is denser and heavier than the others mentioned. The tonewood has a strong fundamental tone with some interesting overtones."

From http://www.rctonewoods.rcefaluguitars.com/italian_spruce.htm - I'm not sure about the term "Red Spruce". One of the other quotes uses the term "White Spruce"

"Italian Spruce has always been used in the Italian tradition of violin making: Stradivari himself used that wood to construct his instruments.
“Red Spruce” (Botanical name: Picea Excelsa o Picea Abies)  comes from the North Eastern area of the Italian Alps. The trees grow at high altitude, above 1400 up to 1800 meters. The vegetative time is only 100 days a year; the winters are long and cold, so the trees grow slowly and regularly. The growth to obtain a violin or guitar log is about 150 to 200 years, and even more for a cello log. This wood is very stiff and light: 400 kg/m3 as some studies have established. The average size of the Italian Spruce is much smaller and less regular than others kinds of Spruce, like Sitka Spruce for example. Many studies have been conducted to give a scientific explanation on why Spruce from the Italian Alps has exceptional acoustic qualities. Our experience has demonstrated that stiffness and lightness are the essential properties of Italian Spruce."

A similar description from another site,
"Italian( Alpine) Spruce Picea Excelsa o Picea Abies, Italian side of the Alps.

This legendary wood that Stradivarius used for his famous violins is still the no1 Tone wood for soundboards, but very hard to come by, and very expensive when found. If C.F. Would have used this wood in its Golden Era, it would have had similar fame as Adirondack(red) spruce. Italian Spruce has always been used in the Italian tradition of violin making and originates from the North Eastern area of the Italian Alps. The trees grow at high altitude, above 1400 up to 1800 meter and the vegetative time is only 100 days a year, the winters are long and cold, so the trees grow slowly and regularly. The growth to obtain a violin or guitar log is about 150 to 200 years, and even more for a cello log. This wood is very stiff and light: 400 kg/m3 as some studies have established. The average size of the Italian Spruce is much smaller and less regular than others kinds of Spruce, like Sitka Spruce for example. Many studies have been conducted to give a scientific explanation on why Spruce from the Italian Alps has exceptional acoustic qualities. Stiffness and lightness are of course essential properties of Italian Spruce still it has a mystical quality, because more woods have these qualities. The wood has more resonance than any other Tone wood and fantastic tap tone. European Tone-woods are often very expensive in the USA. The same goes for American Tone woods in Europe."

from another site,
"Italian Spruce (Picea Excelsa)
Italy. European White spruce as well as its extreme lightness in weight which seems to produce a slightly louder and more projective or "open" sound than Sitka spruce. European spruce grows in the alpine elevations of the Italian Alps. It is considerably more limited in supply than Sitka spruce."

A quote from "The 12th Fret" website re: a G.W. Barry guitar,
"We have just received two Indian rosewood Orchestra Models from this extremely gifted luthier that serve to illustrate the dramatic sonic impact of different top-plate tonewoods.   Gordon has made several guitars now using Italian Alpine spruce and is REALLY getting quite spectacular results!  In Mr. Barry's words: "Italian spruce as a material,  is much lighter than Sitka, but retains a surprising amount of crossgrain stiffness.  Its stiffness-to-weight ratio seems to produce a bassier or darker tonality.  Overall I would characterize each note as sounding 'rounder' with a complex overtone series."

I would have to agree with Gordon's impressions of this top wood.  To my ears,  the Italian spruce topped OM is the perfect instrument for a modern player who needs precise articulation,  response to even the lightest-of-light right hand attacks,  manifold overtone layers but less aggressive "edge".  The attack transient has less "point" but more "bloom" ... slightly less sizzle but slightly more steak!   What is the word I'm looking for?  LUSH? RICH? LUXURIENT? Yes!!! "






Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on March 28, 2009, 06:54:10 PM
The IS was from 1972 apparently.  It was Danny who new about it, having been shown it by JCL on a previous factory visit, and he who suggested it for the forum guitars.  There was an additional cost implication if I remember correctly.

The mahogany and the rosewood were supposed to be typical 03 series woods, but it is becomming apparent that the staff in Vancouver have hand picked some very impressive woods, perhaps arguably more suited to the 05 and 09 series of instruments.  For this I am very grateful.  From the details on Facebook, it is also apparent to me that this has been a great project for the Larrivee staff as well as the forum members.

Ben


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: GA-ME on March 28, 2009, 07:02:45 PM
There are a couple of things that I'd be interested in knowing about the Forum III specs. I'd like to know the the top thickness of the IS in comparison to the standard top thickness of the Sitka LS tops. I'd also like to know if Larrivee used their standard size bracing and standard brace carving. If anyone with both or one of these guitars and a caliper is curious....................


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on March 28, 2009, 07:10:38 PM
There are a couple of things that I'd be interested in knowing about the Forum III specs. I'd like to know the the top thickness of the IS in comparison to the standard top thickness of the Sitka LS tops. I'd also like to know if Larrivee used their standard size bracing and standard brace carving. If anyone with both or one of these guitars and a caliper is curious....................
Someone else will have to help with this.  I ain't going near my new baby with metal tools/calipers  :roll

Last thing I want is to drop some metal tool on the guitar and end up with a bit fat booboo on my flamed hog top...

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: kinnez on March 28, 2009, 07:12:19 PM
Thanks Jordan, Jeff, Dragon1952, and Ben for the info.  Really, how can you not one of these.  Bring on the Forum III's.

Ray


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: jeremy3220 on March 28, 2009, 07:17:32 PM


A quote from "The 12th Fret" website re: a G.W. Barry guitar,
" Its stiffness-to-weight ratio seems to produce a bassier or darker tonality.  "


Having a lesser stiffness to weight ratio would shift the bais toward the bass. The guitar may have been bassier but it wasn't because the top had a greater stiffness to weight ratio.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on March 28, 2009, 07:18:17 PM
Judging from the Factory photos and our tour, it is their standard build, standard parts, standard techniques. They may have put a little more care in, a little more awareness of the spotlight on them shone by the Forum, but they did not alter their formula.  They did use some very special materials, though -

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 28, 2009, 07:45:10 PM
Judging from the Factory photos and our tour, it is their standard build, standard parts, standard techniques. They may have put a little more care in, a little more awareness of the spotlight on them shone by the Forum, but they did not alter their formula.  They did use some very special materials, though -

Tad
   Also the IS is older cut and we have a 12 fret. Thus we have an interesting and very unique "Larrivee" and it truly shows in tone and resonance.

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: JAD on March 28, 2009, 09:22:33 PM
Where can I find a list of forum guitars?
And are any of them 00?
Thanks. :)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 28, 2009, 09:43:45 PM
Where can I find a list of forum guitars?
And are any of them 00?
Thanks. :)
  All of the F-III forum gits are LS models, there is a thread that has a list of "extras" that are available, I'll find the link to it.

                            Here is the Link       http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=26164.msg236306#msg236306


danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on March 28, 2009, 11:10:18 PM
Here is another funny observation about the FIII guitar...

My 13 year old daughter is having a sleepover at my house tonight for her birthday so I brought my Forum III upstairs to my home office earlier today to keep it out of trouble and away from screaming 13 year olds.  I just got back from a 3 hour ride on my motorcycle and I headed up to my home office to check in with this forum.  As soon as I walked into the room I noticed that the whole room smells like Forum III guitar.... :drool: :drool: :drool: :drool:

Not sure why but this git is one heck of an air freshener....hehehehehe.  No need to wear cologne when playing this thing.  The smell is freakin awesome.  I bet the women really dig it...

...just winding up the people who are still waiting  :roll :roll :roll :humour:

Jordan.



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 28, 2009, 11:59:10 PM
  The smell comes partially from the case, even with it closed I smell a nice fragrance when I'm close to it.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: iDavid on March 29, 2009, 01:06:29 AM
Man am I digging the look of the all HOG, so glad I'm getting ONE

are bridge pins plastic or ebony on the F3 and do they have paua dots?


david


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 29, 2009, 01:17:31 AM
Man am I digging the look of the all HOG, so glad I'm getting ONE

are bridge pins plastic or ebony on the F3 and do they have paua dots?


david
   Got dots and they are plastic.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on March 29, 2009, 04:38:27 AM
The IS was from 1972 apparently.  It was Danny who new about it, having been shown it by JCL on a previous factory visit, and he who suggested it for the forum guitars.  There was an additional cost implication if I remember correctly.

The mahogany and the rosewood were supposed to be typical 03 series woods, but it is becomming apparent that the staff in Vancouver have hand picked some very impressive woods, perhaps arguably more suited to the 05 and 09 series of instruments.  For this I am very grateful.  From the details on Facebook, it is also apparent to me that this has been a great project for the Larrivee staff as well as the forum members.

Ben

Actually, I recall that I was the one to suggest Italian Spruce initially. I read about in a 12th Fret web page and heard about it while in the store. Danny quickly chimed (since he had actually seen it) in and championed it from that point onwards, so I don't want to steal his thunder. Also I think it would have been suggested by someone else eventually since it was a good idea. I don't mean to be a total a$$, but it would be nice to get a bit of the credit. There were a few others that contributed directly to the specifications early on in Ricky's posting about what Larrivee model we would bring back. A lot of these forum members who, like myself, were not "core" members are kind of left out of the list of people who tried to drive some solid specifications. If someone wants to prove me wrong they're welcome to look through the many posts.

Again, sorry for the sour grapes about such a trivial item, but I think there's a few newer forum members that deserve at least a tiny slice of the credit for driving the FIII to completion.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Safricanplayer on March 29, 2009, 05:19:48 AM
Actually, I recall that I was the one to suggest Italian Spruce initially. I read about in a 12th Fret web page and heard about it while in the store. Danny quickly chimed (since he had actually seen it) in and championed it from that point onwards, so I don't want to steal his thunder. Also I think it would have been suggested by someone else eventually since it was a good idea. I don't mean to be a total a$$, but it would be nice to get a bit of the credit. There were a few others that contributed directly to the specifications early on in Ricky's posting about what Larrivee model we would bring back. A lot of these forum members who, like myself, were not "core" members are kind of left out of the list of people who tried to drive some solid specifications. If someone wants to prove me wrong they're welcome to look through the many posts.

Again, sorry for the sour grapes about such a trivial item, but I think there's a few newer forum members that deserve at least a tiny slice of the credit for driving the FIII to completion.

No problem with giving / taking credit where it's due.. I'm just really excited to get my 2 Forum III's :thumb. As one is actually for my daughter, so I'll be in the enviable position of being able to spend time with both my 'all hog' and Megans IS/RW. Should be fun and I'll probably post a comparitive review once I've had a chance to spend some time with them. I have particularly high expectations for the Italian Spruce vs their Sitka spruce tops, as I know that Italian is an upgrade by most, if not all, boutique luthiers.

I got to the Forum long after the discussions regarding spec's and wood choices had been decided for the Forum 111. So, to any and all who had input in bringing the Forum III to fruition, a round of applause and many thanks :cheers.  I just hope the guitars live up to the hype :humour:

 ~ Ray ~


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on March 29, 2009, 05:22:06 AM
Well, let me be the second to thank you on your contribution(s)  :cheers  I would like to thank everyone else also..... forum members, Larrivee family, Jim Holler, et al. It's an awesomely spec'ed git, you all did a great job, and I feel very fortunate to have gotten in on this at such a late date. This is going to be very cool  :nana_guitar

OK....everything from now on 100% positive. Everyone, sit down in a dimly lit room, close your eyes, hug your Forum III if ya got 'em. If you don't, then pretend you do....and listen to this at a nice relaxing volume.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CR3dM-GlZK8&feature=related


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: JAD on March 29, 2009, 06:01:50 AM
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  All of the F-III forum gits are LS models, there is a thread that has a list of "extras" that are available, I'll find the link to it.

                            Here is the Link       http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=26164.msg236306#msg236306

Thank you, Danny.
JAD


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on March 29, 2009, 07:46:51 AM
Actually, I recall that I was the one to suggest Italian Spruce initially. I read about in a 12th Fret web page and heard about it while in the store. Danny quickly chimed (since he had actually seen it) in and championed it from that point onwards, so I don't want to steal his thunder. Also I think it would have been suggested by someone else eventually since it was a good idea. I don't mean to be a total a$$, but it would be nice to get a bit of the credit. There were a few others that contributed directly to the specifications early on in Ricky's posting about what Larrivee model we would bring back. A lot of these forum members who, like myself, were not "core" members are kind of left out of the list of people who tried to drive some solid specifications. If someone wants to prove me wrong they're welcome to look through the many posts.

Again, sorry for the sour grapes about such a trivial item, but I think there's a few newer forum members that deserve at least a tiny slice of the credit for driving the FIII to completion.


OK.    I have no problem givng credit for the good ideas that were generated by the many folks who were involved in the formation of the Forum III specs early on.   I don't believe anyone intended to take credit for anyone elses suggestions.    The forum record shows the following:

On Nov. 30 at 10:57:20 am Limnephilidae wrote:  ..."with regards to top I would like it to be spruce (sitka, italian, adi, or whatever)   Sitka has the tonal balance to satisfy everyone's needs"

That is the first mention of Italian Spruce on the original thread entitled "Orphan Larris, what if"
That was the genesis of the discussion of bringing back a discontinued Larrivee model that eventually became the Forum III we are all talking about now.

On the same day, Nov. 30 at 7:31:49 pm Dependan wrote:  "Some may remember this,  JCL showed me a stack of Italian Spruce at Yarnell Place.  That may be something a little special we might consider if it's not all spoken for"

So, there you have it.  Credit for the first mention of Italian Spruce in the context of this project goes to Limnephilidae.   Danny was close behind with some information that was crucial to getting the stuff actually included on the Forum III specs.   

Honestly, if we were to sit down and list everyone who played an important part in getting the Forum III off the ground we would have  a very long list.   
So, to any else who may feel left out as far as getting credit for their input and suggestions on this project, ... Thank you one and all.  Without the help of all involved it would not have happened.  From Rickys first post, Tad's urging of the LS size, Danny's contributions regarding depth and tone wood choices, Limnephilidae's suggestion of Ital. Spruce and everyone else who chimed in with great ideas we all managed to create a guitar that is living up to everyone's expectaions thus far.   There's plenty of credit to go around.   Thank you all.

T


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on March 29, 2009, 07:56:22 AM
Right on....well said! Now let's go out there and enjoy them gits  :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on March 29, 2009, 09:24:19 AM
Actually, I recall that I was the one to suggest Italian Spruce initially. I read about in a 12th Fret web page and heard about it while in the store. Danny quickly chimed (since he had actually seen it) in and championed it from that point onwards, so I don't want to steal his thunder. Also I think it would have been suggested by someone else eventually since it was a good idea. I don't mean to be a total a$$, but it would be nice to get a bit of the credit. There were a few others that contributed directly to the specifications early on in Ricky's posting about what Larrivee model we would bring back. A lot of these forum members who, like myself, were not "core" members are kind of left out of the list of people who tried to drive some solid specifications. If someone wants to prove me wrong they're welcome to look through the many posts.

Again, sorry for the sour grapes about such a trivial item, but I think there's a few newer forum members that deserve at least a tiny slice of the credit for driving the FIII to completion.

Sincere apologies Adam. I was trying to answer kinnez's question, apologies for getting it wrong. I think there are a lot of people who deserve credit, either directly through a suggestion for a specification, or indirectly through their participation in discussions and the enthusiasm that meant the original thread didn't die like others before it.

No harm intended.

Ben


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on March 29, 2009, 11:49:28 AM
Thanks Adam for clarifying this and thanks Tuffy for digging up the November 30 posts.

I'm just so thankful for all the persons who contributed. It's good to have our historical details accurate.

Glad to have asked the "What if" question regarding orphaned Larris.   You know what? I have other questions.

Like, if the Italian Spruce is so good on the LS body, can you imagine what it would be like to have it in an OM, or L, or SD --- all 12-fret to the body?

It would be awesome to have Forums V, VI, VII right there - 'cause maybe, just maybe, the next one may very well be an OO.

Oh well... thanks again to all who contributed to make the FG III such a wonderful, tangible, real, and take-my-breath-away guitar!

ricky


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Hogtop on March 29, 2009, 12:17:48 PM
I have had absolutely nothing to do with the Forum III guitars!!!!!! 
Thanks to all who have. I am now waiting on a most special instrument due to your efforts and wise dissisions on the specs and tonewood selections. It's getting close :thumb
(I helped buy the  :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut2 :donut2 :donut2's)
If I ever get the pleasure of meeting any of you, I'll buy the  :cheers!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on March 29, 2009, 01:00:06 PM
Lynn, you forgot to give yourself credit for the very special three markers on the 12th fret. To me, that is very special and I will ALWAYS remember you because of it.  :smile:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 29, 2009, 01:49:23 PM
  I forgot about Adam's post, glad to see that brought up and as usual Tuffy the Pug put it altogether nicely.

   One thing I've learned in my business (also do to my aggressive personality) I'm either a "hero"or a "zero" there is usually no grey area. Sometimes hero and zero in the same day. The point is right now these are getting glowing reviews so the hero limelight is on. It won't be long and the zero light will be lit up.
   Anyway, no doubt it took a lot of people to bring this to where it is, and I am just glad we made it. I think it's an achievement all in itself that so many very opinionated, strong characters could agree to the point we did to pull together and get 16 ordered. Which of course took off like a rocket ( about the time TtP got on board btw) and now we have even more than 78 for all the forum to enjoy.

                        Good job Larrivee Forum, and thank you Adam and everyone who contributed.

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on March 29, 2009, 03:50:05 PM
How could I ... at this time of year ... forget about that first SWEET SIXTEEN?

At least these sweet guitars are a result of collaboration and not (too much) competition!

Some may remember I only joined the forum in November, just in time for this tremendous roller coaster ride. I am afraid to ask what comes next.

This project pushed pretty much all of my guitar hot buttons. It also brought out the best in a number of people who started as strangers and became my friends. I am glad to have experienced the last five months with you fine folks.

Norman


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on March 29, 2009, 04:26:13 PM
How could I ... at this time of year ... forget about that first SWEET SIXTEEN?

At least these sweet guitars are a result of collaboration and not (too much) competition!

Some may remember I only joined the forum in November, just in time for this tremendous roller coaster ride. I am afraid to ask what comes next.

This project pushed pretty much all of my guitar hot buttons. It also brought out the best in a number of people who started as strangers and became my friends. I am glad to have experienced the last five months with you fine folks.

Norman

Norm,

I couldn't have said it better!  This project was a game changer for me too.  I learned so much from reading everyone's notes over the last 4 months and its been so much fun.  Lots of new friends for me too.

What everyone will notice once they get their new guitars is that every time you open the case and pickup the guitar to play it, its a special experience.  What makes it so special is all the thought, planning, discussion, negotiation, that preceded it being in your hands to play.  You take it out of the case, admire the beautiful wood, catch a whiff of that new guitar smell, feel how nice it sits in your lap and how comfortable the 12 fret neck feels in your hands and then...you strike that first chord...and you know that something really special is going on.  Its a magical moment. 

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on March 29, 2009, 06:15:40 PM
Oh my god! I just played Bella for the first time in over a week and I can't believe the tone. She even makes my crappy playing sound good  :roll

If anybody is on the fence about picking up a Forum III that are available as extras, see thread, please don't hesitate. This guitar will not disappoint. Wow is all I can say. :smile:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: es-335 on March 29, 2009, 06:55:05 PM
How could I ... at this time of year ... forget about that first SWEET SIXTEEN?

Norman

Yes, the first sixteen!! :) good memories eh?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on March 29, 2009, 08:33:03 PM
Finally got my son to take a pict of me with the Forum III.  Puts a face to the name...

Jordan.

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on March 29, 2009, 08:55:03 PM
Nice to meet you Jordan and the guitar is gorgeous.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on March 29, 2009, 09:41:12 PM
Did anyone get a pickup installed in their Forum III?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Denis on March 29, 2009, 09:57:13 PM
Finally got my son to take a pict of me with the Forum III.  Puts a face to the name...

Jordan.

Wow!!!  That is lovely!!!  :drool:

Lucky you Jordan.  Mine hasn't even shipped yet...sigh.

I'm hoping to get an email from Denika this week.
 



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on March 29, 2009, 11:35:23 PM
Installing pick ups was not an option. However, it won't be hard to so, if you want to.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Randy_R on March 30, 2009, 01:11:40 AM
Jordan,

Good looking LS03MT. We're a lucky group to get these offered to us.



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on March 30, 2009, 01:49:47 AM
Did anyone get a pickup installed in their Forum III?

Not yet. I'm hoping to get either a K&K pwm or a Baggs iMix no-cut installed in mine.

But as for all the orders, installing a pick-up was not an available option.  Although there's no stopping you from asking Jim H to install one for you.

ricky

BTW - Good to finally put a face to the name Jordan "Jagadis" - looks like one happy FG III owner and  :nice guitar:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on March 30, 2009, 01:57:06 AM
Actually, my #76 Forum III is possibly coming with a pickup installed due to a mis-communication. I was just wondering what kind Larrivee would install at the factory, and wondering what anyone's thoughts would be about having one in a Forum III. I don't really need a pickup, and I kind of like to keep things "pure", if you know what I mean  :smile: I will be finding out tomorrow exactly what the deal is. Just a little apprehensive is all.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on March 30, 2009, 02:03:50 AM
Actually, my #76 Forum III is possibly coming with a pickup installed due to a mis-communication. I was just wondering what kind Larrivee would install at the factory, and wondering what anyone's thoughts would be about having one in a Forum III. I don't really need a pickup, and I kind of like to keep things "pure", if you know what I mean  :smile: I will be finding out tomorrow exactly what the deal is. Just a little apprehensive is all.

It's good that you got yourself a numbered one. Regardless, you'll be happy with the FG III.

I've had a few guitars, and my FG III always impresses people who hear it - even the ones who are not into guitars, notice a significant difference between my
FG III and my other gits.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Hogtop on March 30, 2009, 02:28:16 AM
Really a nice mahogany top on that one Jordon.  Glad you were able to get in on this.  I sure was close to ordering a mahogany top F III.  I already have a hogtop parlor and a all hog Weissenborn, so I went with the IS top for my forum III.  I'm having Jim put a Baggs IMix (no-cut) in mine when he receives it.  I am under the impression that when most guitar manufacturers install a pickup, it is mounted on the side necessitating a hole cut into it and I sure didn't want that on this guitar. 


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: gtrplayer on March 30, 2009, 02:30:29 AM
I wish someone would post some close-ups of a Forum III with cutaway.   Anybody?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on March 30, 2009, 02:34:01 AM
I wish someone would post some close-ups of a Forum III with cutaway.   Anybody?

I'll try to take pics of mine. I misplaced my digital camera, the pictures it produces I can post at will.  Taking pics with an iPhone, I've yet to figure out

how to reduce the pic size - so I can post 'em here.  That's why, I have not posted pics of my FG III - with a cutaway.

I wonder if anybody ordered an IS/hog with cutaway?

ricky


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: gtrplayer on March 30, 2009, 03:42:45 AM
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I'll try to take pics of mine. I misplaced my digital camera, the pictures it produces I can post at will.  Taking pics with an iPhone, I've yet to figure out

Thanks ricky.  If you can I would appreciate it.

Quote
I wonder if anybody ordered an IS/hog with cutaway?

That would be me and I can't wait to receive it.  Hence the request. Thanks pal.

gtrplayer


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 30, 2009, 03:49:14 AM
I'll try to take pics of mine. I misplaced my digital camera, the pictures it produces I can post at will.  Taking pics with an iPhone, I've yet to figure out

how to reduce the pic size - so I can post 'em here.  That's why, I have not posted pics of my FG III - with a cutaway.

I wonder if anybody ordered an IS/hog with cutaway?

ricky
ricky, just register with WEBSHOTS it is free, then upload your pics to your account. Then you pic 600 size pics and copy and paste the URL in your post.
     I'll post a pic here to show you, click on the pic and it will take you to my Webshots account.
                            (http://inlinethumb08.webshots.com/43463/2474725240104334565S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://good-times.webshots.com/photo/2474725240104334565ldRpsD)
              This is Jean Larrivee posing with an Italian spruce top at Yarnell Place.

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: gtrplayer on March 30, 2009, 03:50:55 AM
Awfully nice of you to assist danny.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 30, 2009, 03:55:31 AM
Awfully nice of you to assist danny.
                 So you ordered a MH/IS with cut a way. Where do you live? I want to get together an A/B our gits ;-)    I really look forward to seeing pics of yours and hearing your impressions of it. I just made a bone saddle for mine today and have been enjoying some struming as well as finger style. I guess you know by now I like mine a lot.

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on March 30, 2009, 05:05:07 AM
thanks Danny!  I'll try webshots. That's so cool how I click on the picture and it brought me to that website (okay, it's cool for a non-techy like me).

i'll take pics of my cutaway FG III at daylight tomorrow, the Lord willing.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: pfl on March 30, 2009, 02:04:24 PM
Did anyone get a pickup installed in their Forum III?

Jim H is installing a no-cut iMix in mine but I don't have it yet.  Hopefully soon!

Jason


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on March 30, 2009, 04:28:38 PM

I wonder if anybody ordered an IS/hog with cutaway?


 :wave

And PM me if you have issues with getting your pics up.  I'm happy to host and post them if you just email them to me.

Adam


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: es-335 on March 30, 2009, 06:33:23 PM
if you want you could use photobucket

it is super easy to use!

http://photobucket.com


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on March 30, 2009, 09:32:28 PM
Jim H is installing a no-cut iMix in mine but I don't have it yet.  Hopefully soon!

Jason

That's evidently what was installed in mine.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: gtrplayer on March 31, 2009, 12:45:32 AM
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       So you ordered a MH/IS with cut a way. Where do you live? I want to get together an A/B our gits ;-)    I really look forward to seeing pics of yours and hearing your impressions of it. I just made a bone saddle for mine today and have been enjoying some struming as well as finger style. I guess you know by now I like mine a lot.

Hey danny,

I'm from New Hampshire a long ways from the Lone Star state.  But when my Forum III comes in I'd be happy to compare with you.
After hearing the initial reports from you and the Vancouver visitors about these guitars I'm, as well as everybody else who ordered, salivating at the thought of receiving mine.  I'm addicted to the Larrivee 12 fret "sound" and the thought of ordering an affordable 12-fret with a cutaway was too much to pass up on.  I need the access and everyone says a cutaway doesn't impact sound and I'm hoping they're right.   BTW thanks for the photo assist.

gtrplayer


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on March 31, 2009, 01:05:13 AM
Okay, took 2 daytime shots today of my LSV-03R. I'm following Danny's instructions and trying out webshots.com Hope this works.
Danny, thank you so much. I learned something new today. It's like magic. Wow!             
grtplayer - hope you enjoy the pics; though playing it is more enjoyable.

ricky

(http://inlinethumb54.webshots.com/43957/2985137810104991818S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2985137810104991818dykHcx)(http://inlinethumb62.webshots.com/25917/2643885660104991818S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2643885660104991818RIiMRD)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: gtrplayer on March 31, 2009, 01:09:13 AM
ricky

Nice Looking Guitar!!!!!!      :nice guitar:      That creamy white top looks awfully nice against the dark rosewood!

I've got the same git but in mahogany and hopefully it looks as good as yours.

Thanks for posting the picture!

gtrplayer


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on March 31, 2009, 01:32:19 AM
Ricky,

Amazing photos!!  Nice to see some good close ups of a Rosewood with cutaway.  All of these guitars are so special.  I can see why some of us are having thoughts (and some have actually done it) of owning more than one.

QUICK QUESTION:  Is that Shag carpet?????   :laughin:  Groovy man!!

 :nice guitar: :nice guitar: :nice guitar: :nice guitar: :nice guitar:

Congrats!!

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on March 31, 2009, 01:34:17 AM
Hey Ricky

Nice photographs.  Glad to see you figured out the photo posting, as well.  I really like the dark streaks just touching the bout of the guitar.  I did not notice that when we were all together.


It sounds like a few others will be getting theirs this week!

Matt


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on March 31, 2009, 01:36:55 AM
Finally got my son to take a pict of me with the Forum III.  Puts a face to the name...

Jordan.

Jordan,

Looks like you are really enjoying the guitar.  That is a great shot of you holding it.  From that angle, it looks like a full sized L model.  That top is amazing.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on March 31, 2009, 01:45:54 AM
Jordan, the shag is actually an area rug.  Matt, I'd like to take pics of the back too, but I can't control the lighting using only an iPhone.

The only way is to take the git outside (it's still winter here) and then, the camera reads too much light - and it's washed out.

Oh yeah, the dark streaks on either side of the top. I guess, the preferred IS top is creamy and no streaks - so I'm naming these streaks after my wonderful friends here in the Forum.  :thumb

ricky


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 31, 2009, 01:47:55 AM
   Nice pics ricky, glad to see you made it work.

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on March 31, 2009, 02:11:54 AM
Darn......I shoulda got the herringbone purfling! That looks great! I heard they were an endangered species though, so I was just doing my part for conservation  :winkin:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Daysailer on March 31, 2009, 02:59:21 AM
Darn......I shoulda got the herringbone purfling! That looks great! I heard they were an endangered species though, so I was just doing my part for conservation  :winkin:

Maybe if you lived near an ocean you could add the Herring...bones...  Perhaps imported from Nova Scoctia, keep it all Canadian. 

Would thoses bones be used for nuts and saddles, or just the pin........stripping..... :whistling:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: pennerblue on March 31, 2009, 04:36:00 AM
I just made it through all 9 pages of this thread while squinting everytime a photo appears.  The 'promise' is alive, as I still haven't had a detailed look at one of these gits!  Jim Holler says mine is on the way to his shop from Vancouver.  WOO-HOO!  Glory be to me in a few weeks. :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BlastersFan55 on March 31, 2009, 11:41:22 AM
Man, GREAT looking guitars!

Well done!    :thumbsup


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: ronmac on March 31, 2009, 02:06:31 PM
Maybe if you lived near an ocean you could add the Herring...bones...  Perhaps imported from Nova Scoctia, keep it all Canadian. 

Would thoses bones be used for nuts and saddles, or just the pin........stripping..... :whistling:

Anyone wanting the real deal (I live in a small fishing village in Nova Scotia) can send me an email, and I'll be happy to send you some. I can see a future thread "How do I get rid of that smell from my case..."  :roll


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Denis on March 31, 2009, 02:37:29 PM
Anyone wanting the real deal (I live in a small fishing village in Nova Scotia) can send me an email, and I'll be happy to send you some. I can see a future thread "How do I get rid of that smell from my case..."  :roll

The smell of plain old herring bones is bad enough....my cousins in the Magdalen Islands have converted their 100 year old smokehoses into a museum where they still smoke herring all summer....THAT is not a smell you can get rid of too easily.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on March 31, 2009, 04:40:58 PM
Anyone wanting the real deal (I live in a small fishing village in Nova Scotia) can send me an email, and I'll be happy to send you some. I can see a future thread "How do I get rid of that smell from my case..."  :roll

My family is from Yarmouth originally. We used to smoke Herring all the time. That stuff keeps FOREVER. Most of my camping cooking gear smells like Digby Herring now. :)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on March 31, 2009, 06:52:15 PM
It's here:






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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 31, 2009, 07:05:32 PM
 :thumb  How long do you have to wait?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bhika on March 31, 2009, 07:13:07 PM
:thumb  How long do you have to wait?

Can you open know or must you Hesitate.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on March 31, 2009, 07:26:16 PM
My family is from Yarmouth originally. We used to smoke Herring all the time.  :)

Kind of hard to keep lit I hear  :whistling:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: es-335 on March 31, 2009, 08:22:25 PM
no ups truck drove by my house yet.. if it did I guess I am not getting mine today :(
the shipping status on ups.com still says "in transit"

hopefully, it'll still come today.. they say they deliver 9am-7pm... so my fingers are still crossed...
but then, I am working a night shift today.. gah.....

hopefully it'll come soon!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on March 31, 2009, 08:36:55 PM
no ups truck drove by my house yet.. if it did I guess I am not getting mine today :(
the shipping status on ups.com still says "in transit"

hopefully, it'll still come today.. they say they deliver 9am-7pm... so my fingers are still crossed...
but then, I am working a night shift today.. gah.....

hopefully it'll come soon!

When you check the status on UPS, what day does it show as the delivery date?

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: es-335 on March 31, 2009, 09:15:18 PM
it doesn't show the delivery date.
I think with the shipping method that Larrivee used, estimated delivery dating isn't an option.

Although I am not hoping, but I am pretty sure it'll come tomorrow.
now that I think of it, IIRC, it usually says "out for delivery" when it's on the delivery truck...
O well :)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on March 31, 2009, 09:19:19 PM
I think in transit means it is headed toward the local hub and it will say out for delivery if it is on the truck.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on March 31, 2009, 09:32:30 PM
it doesn't show the delivery date.
I think with the shipping method that Larrivee used, estimated delivery dating isn't an option.

Although I am not hoping, but I am pretty sure it'll come tomorrow.
now that I think of it, IIRC, it usually says "out for delivery" when it's on the delivery truck...
O well :)

Last week, my order didn't show a delivery date until it arrived at the local hub for Toronto in Concord (day before delivery).  A delivery date then showed up on the Tracking status the day before delivery.  The following morning, status changed to "out for delivery".  It should update later tonight.  Keep checking.

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: pfl on March 31, 2009, 10:06:04 PM
Got my tracking info from Trinity Guitars this morning... this is going to be a long week.     :whistling:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on March 31, 2009, 10:12:50 PM
Does this mean that the first batch of guitars has arrived with Jim Holler?  Those referred to thus far have been the Canadian direct shipping ones have they not?



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on March 31, 2009, 10:57:22 PM
I will post some pictures of it later, but I'm bouncing between work and playing guitar at the moment.  :whistling:

For the record, I have the LS-0R with herringbone with the factory strings still on it. The guitar itself is beautiful to look at and though I was so distracted by work at the time I actually gasped when I first opened the case.

I had time to strum it and fingerpick it with some favorite tunes, but not enough time to really work it. I'm definitely going to be putting on the clear pickguard because I don't think I could resist strumming this little baby.

The sound is very distinctly Larrivee so don't expect anything radically different from your L-03R (or L-03). The subtleties in the tone however are very distinct, I thought I would be able to compare it more to my D-60 MR but that guitar is very different. The first thing I noticed was that the tone was warm and smooth. The bell-like quality of the adirondack that I was expecting is there in a small degree, but it is more subdued. Play an open G and you'll see why I love rosewood; the overtones are complex but not distracting. This guitar seems to be more bass heavy in terms of tone than my L-03R, though the volume of the low end is not nearly as strong. The trebles are clear but not shrill. I would have to agree with Dan and say that the top feels almost played in. In the end, I would say the guitar is sort of like a polite, refined, and loyal friend.

If it is any indication to you about how much I like this guitar, then I should let you know that I will be looking for an additional Forum LS-03 (Hog B&S) to pair up with my rosewood.

Pictures to come....I promise.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on March 31, 2009, 10:58:14 PM
Does this mean that the first batch of guitars has arrived with Jim Holler?  Those referred to thus far have been the Canadian direct shipping ones have they not?



Ben,

Yes they have. He received them yesterday. 16 in all.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on March 31, 2009, 11:00:08 PM
Adam, congratulations. Sounds like you have a wonderful guitar. I was happy to see that you gasped when you opened the case. That was exactly how I felt and reacted when I pulled mine off the rack in Vancouver.  :gotpics:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on March 31, 2009, 11:12:15 PM
limnephilidae...

Sounds like you reacted the same way that I did when I cracked open the case.  These guitars are really special and regardless of your expectations, its such a shock when you finally get to see the guitar for the first time.  Enjoy, Enjoy, Enjoy.  Looking forward to your pictures and additional comments.

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on March 31, 2009, 11:14:15 PM
I will post some pictures of it later, but I'm bouncing between work and playing guitar at the moment.  :whistling:

For the record, I have the LS-0R with herringbone with the factory strings still on it. The guitar itself is beautiful to look at and I though I was so distracted by work at the time I actually gasped when I first open the case.

I had time to strum it and fingerpick it with some favorite tunes, but not enough time to really work it. I'm definitely going to be putting on the clear pickguard because I don't think I could resist strumming this little baby.

The sound is very distinctly Larrivee so don't expect anything radically different from your L-03R (or L-03). The subtleties in the tone however are very distinct, I thought I would be able to compare it more to my D-60 MR but that guitar is very different. The first thing I noticed was that the tone was warm and smooth. The bell-like quality of the adirondack that I was expecting is there in a small degree, but it is more subdued. Play an open G and you'll see why I love rosewood; the overtones are complex but not distracting. This guitar seems to be more bass heavy in terms of tone than my L-03R, though the volume of the low end is not nearly as strong. The trebles are clear but not shrill. I would have to agree with Dan and say that the top feels almost played in. In the end, I would say the guitar is sort of like a polite, refined, and loyal friend.

If it is any indication to you about how much I like this guitar, then I should let you know that I will be looking for an additional Forum LS-03 (Hog B&S) to pair up with my rosewood.

Pictures to come....I promise.
 Thanks for a very detailed review, I think what you stated is what I heard from the RW F-III's being played in V'couver. I'll stay tuned for more.

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on April 01, 2009, 12:09:32 AM
Man o man...

These guitars smell so damn good.  Is it my imagination?  Danny says its the case.  I just can't get enough of that "Eau d'Forum III".  Great excuse to get the guitar out and play!

 :thumbsup :thumbsup :thumbsup

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on April 01, 2009, 02:18:33 AM
Does everyone's tuners look like tuffy's so far, with the tuner screw hole directly below the tuner as opposed to angled out towards the center?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 01, 2009, 02:30:14 AM
Does everyone's tuners look like tuffy's so far, with the tuner screw hole directly below the tuner as opposed to angled out towards the center?
  YUP


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on April 01, 2009, 02:42:16 AM
The tuners will be consistent - They had 2 tubs of them, right and left, and tubs of the common parts. Amazing to watch how fast Edwin was able to install 6 of them - If we hadn't been standing over him kibitzing, he could have probably finished a guitar in about 90 seconds - Give him another 3 minutes, and he'd have the saddle fitted, the guitar strung, tuned, and neck adjusted.

Amazing skill level - One of the best -

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: es-335 on April 01, 2009, 05:04:01 AM
My sweet #77 came while I was gone to work..

here are some photos..

(http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss249/wonderfulremark/DSC_8468.jpg)

(http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss249/wonderfulremark/DSC_8471.jpg)


more photos posted in the picture thread
@
http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=26259.msg237037#new


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on April 01, 2009, 06:13:08 AM
Beautiful Jeff.  Congratulations.    These are pretty special aren't they.
That is definitely some nice mahogany.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on April 01, 2009, 06:16:54 AM
You all Hog guys are cornering the market!

Next thing you know, you will all be playing "Lefty"

See what your started, Tuffy?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: iDavid on April 01, 2009, 08:34:13 AM
My sweet #77 came while I was gone to work..

here are some photos..

(http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss249/wonderfulremark/DSC_8468.jpg)

(http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss249/wonderfulremark/DSC_8471.jpg)


more photos posted in the picture thread
@
http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=26259.msg237037#new


nice to see a non-HB hog, thanks

I can't wait to get mine!

david


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 01, 2009, 11:08:07 AM
  Uh Oh, Tuffy now you got competition... just kiddin... wow what a SWEEEEEET looking git.
Enjoy Jeff... full report required in all the gushing details ;-)


danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 01, 2009, 01:15:01 PM
Jeff, she's a real looker. Congratulations and let's have some pics of the back please.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on April 01, 2009, 02:12:40 PM


(http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss249/wonderfulremark/DSC_8468.jpg)


That is definitely not 03 series Mahogany. Congrats on the arrival Jeff.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Yoyodyne on April 01, 2009, 02:55:04 PM
Wow, that is an absolutely gorgeous guitar! And I agree, the mahogany used there is definitely something special...


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Dotneck on April 01, 2009, 05:28:51 PM
That is definitely not 03 series Mahogany.

What's the difference?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on April 01, 2009, 05:37:00 PM
That is definitely not 03 series Mahogany. Congrats on the arrival Jeff.
Actually, it looks just like the hog on my former L-03MT.  What makes it different?  Sight, sound, feel?

Sure does look nice.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: aardvark on April 01, 2009, 09:06:57 PM
I just got a call from Jim Holler regarding set up of my Forum III, I guess I was lucky to be among the first gits shipped to him.  Delightful conversation, Thanks Jim for all your efforts on this project.  I'm thinking of my first tune on this baby..............Probably  John Fayhes version of "In Christ There is  no East nor West" or "The Piano Movers Rag"...let the fun begin!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 01, 2009, 09:11:55 PM
I just got a call from Jim Holler regarding set up of my Forum III, I guess I was lucky to be among the first gits shipped to him.  Delightful conversation, Thanks Jim for all your efforts on this project.  I'm thinking of my first tune on this baby..............Probably  John Fayhes version of "In Christ There is  no East nor West" or "The Piano Movers Rag"...let the fun begin!

Great news, hope you have it with you very soon!!  :thumbsup

Hope mine is in the next batch, this waiting business is hell!!!!!!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 01, 2009, 09:52:57 PM
Great news, hope you have it with you very soon!!  :thumbsup

Hope mine is in the next batch, this wating business is hell!!!!!!
  do you want some new pics of a F-III, 00 and a OM-21 side by side to help the wait a little?

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 01, 2009, 09:57:28 PM
  do you want some new pics of a F-III, 00 and a OM-21 side by side to help the wait a little?

danny

of course


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on April 01, 2009, 10:36:33 PM
  do you want some new pics of a F-III, 00 and a OM-21 side by side to help the wait a little?

danny

Go for it.  It would be an interesting comparison.

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 01, 2009, 10:42:41 PM
 I'll put a couple here and start a thread in pictures. I finally took a bunch of pics of my OM-21 also and some came out pretty good to show it's vintage look and natural patina.


danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on April 01, 2009, 10:58:10 PM
I'll put a couple here and start a thread in pictures. I finally took a bunch of pics of my OM-21 also and some came out pretty good to show it's vintage look and natural patina.


danny

Your comment about "natural patina" makes me wonder if our Forum III guitars are going to darken in color as they age.  My D-03 has quite a mellow yellow color to it now that its 6 years old.  I'm wondering if anyone who owns a 5+ year old mahogany top guitar has noticed that it has changed/darkened in color over time?  Tuffy's OOO looks quite a bit darker compared to his FIII. 

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 01, 2009, 11:03:20 PM
  Three Amigos
                                 (http://inlinethumb60.webshots.com/7547/2760246250104334565S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2760246250104334565tULlpB)
   You can see how the OM-21 and the F-III are very close in size, the 00 is a nice size git too.

(http://inlinethumb64.webshots.com/42815/2710986030104334565S600x600Q85.jpg) (http://entertainment.webshots.com/photo/2710986030104334565uRUnHW)
The 00-09FM has a deeper body but as you can see a smaller lower bout. The OM-21 and F-III are the same


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on April 01, 2009, 11:04:49 PM
What's the difference?

I just assumed that the better grade Mahogany was more even grained without the stripes or darker areas.  I only base that on the fact that his top looked more like my P-05 top than my OM.
Now mind you, I love the look of both.
(http://i580.photobucket.com/albums/ss249/wonderfulremark/DSC_8472.jpg)


(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa242/daddyo12453/Hog%20tops/IMG_1262_1_1.jpg)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 01, 2009, 11:13:04 PM
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Your comment about "natural patina" makes me wonder if our Forum III guitars are going to darken in color as they age.  My D-03 has quite a mellow yellow color to it now that its 6 years old.  I'm wondering if anyone who owns a 5+ year old mahogany top guitar has noticed that it has changed/darkened in color over time?  Tuffy's OOO looks quite a bit darker compared to his FIII. 

Jordan.
Here is my 1959 Goya with an Italian Spruce top, It's a bit beat up but you can see how it will darken over time. I don't think Hog darkens that much. But then all finishes yellow a bit so the hog may take on a orange hue. If you sand off the finish on these old gits it is white under there.

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on April 02, 2009, 12:36:20 AM
I don't think Hog darkens that much. But then all finishes yellow a bit so the hog may take on a orange hue. If you sand off the finish on these old gits it is white under there.

Enough to make the tan line dissappear.
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa242/daddyo12453/Glossed%20OM-03MT/IMG_0584_1_1.jpg)
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa242/daddyo12453/Hog%20tops/IMG_1263_1_1.jpg)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on April 02, 2009, 12:38:18 AM
Your comment about "natural patina" makes me wonder if our Forum III guitars are going to darken in color as they age.  My D-03 has quite a mellow yellow color to it now that its 6 years old.  I'm wondering if anyone who owns a 5+ year old mahogany top guitar has noticed that it has changed/darkened in color over time?  Tuffy's OOO looks quite a bit darker compared to his FIII. 

Jordan.

Jordan
Just a reply to your comment on my 000 compared to my FIII.    The 000-50mt is less than a year old so it hasn't darkened at all since I  got it.   The wood is just naturally darker.  I've been told that Larrivee does not stain their mahogany so it is just naturally darker I guess.   The gloss shouldn't have much effect on the perceived darkness of the wood I don't think.
Other than the darker color, I believe the Forum III wood closely resembles the mahogany on the 000 which should be their "select" wood.   I'm still toying with the idea of glossing the Forum III...  haven't decided yet.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Safricanplayer on April 02, 2009, 05:52:27 AM
Other than the darker color, I believe the Forum III wood closely resembles the mahogany on the 000 which should be their "select" wood.   I'm still toying with the idea of glossing the Forum III...  haven't decided yet.

This is going to be an interesting dilemma :winkin: A part of me thinks glossing the top will really look good. It will be interesting to see who's first to gloss their Forum III. My guess it one brave soul enters the water and others will follow :nana_guitar

 ~ Ray ~


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Dotneck on April 02, 2009, 11:45:24 AM
I just assumed that the better grade Mahogany was more even grained without the stripes or darker areas.  I only base that on the fact that his top looked more

I see that the mahogany on the parlor is more uniform than the OM....although I don't have a 'hog top...the back of my forum OM looks closer to your parlor than to your OM. It will be interesting to see a larger sample of the Forum III guitars to see how they look as a group.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Dotneck on April 02, 2009, 11:46:25 AM
A part of me thinks glossing the top will really look good. It will be interesting to see who's first to gloss their Forum III. My guess it one brave soul enters the water and others will follow :nana_guitar
 ~ Ray ~

I'll probably do mine...once I determine if its a guitar I want to keep....


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on April 02, 2009, 12:58:00 PM
Hogtops definitely darken, my Forum I has.  There's a pretty distinct tanline underneath the pickguard.  Beautiful OM-05 Dan!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: pfl on April 02, 2009, 07:24:11 PM
Just got it!  Here's a couple quick pics of the Forum III next to my old D-28:

(http://lh3.ggpht.com/_dX-oB-Nugag/SdUQY9yy17I/AAAAAAAAAWk/0XYQvCtA6E4/s512/front.jpg)
(http://lh4.ggpht.com/_dX-oB-Nugag/SdUQX8THxhI/AAAAAAAAAWc/BLnSSTb6NLc/s512/back.jpg)


I'll take some better ones later and post my impressions, but it's safe to say I am really going to enjoy this guitar.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BlastersFan55 on April 02, 2009, 08:34:09 PM
Man - another beauty!   :nana_guitar

Thanks for the pic!  I love looking at these new guitars. 


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 02, 2009, 09:18:00 PM
woohoo, mine is on its way!!!!!!! :guitar :nana_guitar :nanadance :nana_guitar :donut :nana_guitar :nanadance :donut2 :donut :coffee


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on April 02, 2009, 09:36:19 PM
PFL...Congrats.  That looks like a great combination of tone between those two models.

Ben F   How long does it take a shipped guitar from Canada to you?  That is great news.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on April 02, 2009, 09:52:15 PM
Congrats Ben!  It's almost there!!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 02, 2009, 09:52:58 PM
Ben F   How long does it take a shipped guitar from Canada to you?  That is great news.


Matt, Jim indicated 6-10 days to customs, and he will try to post it tomorrow.  Who knows how long UK customs will take with it - hopefully not long.  I had my fingers crossed it would be in next batch to Jim (next week), so it as a really nice surprise that I got the email today.  [edit - Speaking with other folk who have imported stuff, it might only be a day or two from customs to my door!]

PFL, yours looks fantastic.  The Italian Spruce looks great on every guitar I have seen so far.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: es-335 on April 02, 2009, 09:55:46 PM
has anybody put on a pick guard yet?

I just tried put a clear one on mine.. and failed miserably.. gah :(

I guess I'll put a tortoise pick gaurd on mine..

My 77 is way too nice of a strummer for no pick guard..


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: pfl on April 02, 2009, 10:08:34 PM
Matt, Jim indicated 6-10 days to customs, and he will try to post it tomorrow.  Who knows how long UK customs will take with it - hopefully not long.  I had my fingers crossed it would be in next batch to Jim (next week), so it as a really nice surprise that I got the email today.

PFL, yours looks fantastic.  The Italian Spruce looks great on every guitar I have seen so far.

Thanks Ben.  The Italian spruce really looks great on every guitar I've seen. 


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on April 02, 2009, 10:33:15 PM
Matt, Jim indicated 6-10 days to customs, and he will try to post it tomorrow.  Who knows how long UK customs will take with it - hopefully not long.  I had my fingers crossed it would be in next batch to Jim (next week), so it as a really nice surprise that I got the email today.

I have a friend who lives in Tonga, and everytime something is sent to him, a bag of non melting candy is sent along for the postmaster to insure he gets his package within 3 months  (Really)

It will be a sweet treat for you to get yours sooner, I hope.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 02, 2009, 11:16:01 PM
Ben, I am SO thrilled to hear that yours is on the way. You are gonna love this guitar, trust me on that. Counting the time with you and crossing my fingers that it won't take too long with customs.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BlastersFan55 on April 02, 2009, 11:43:01 PM
woohoo, mine is on its way!!!!!!! :guitar :nana_guitar :nanadance :nana_guitar :donut :nana_guitar :nanadance :donut2 :donut :coffee

Hey Ben, mine's going out tomorrow, too!  From NY to the Boston area may take 3-4 days.  Whatever the case, it's almost here!  :cheers


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 03, 2009, 12:15:59 AM
Well, after a bit of an unscheduled wait, Forum III #52 has landed in its new home in East Vancouver, following an arduous five minute drive from the factory. Had a nice chat with John L. Jr, and Edwin kindly did a little truss rod adjustment on my OMV-09.

She's a bit of a looker, if I may say so myself. I can feel my girlfriend getting jealous already, and they haven't even met yet.

I'm very impressed with the sound - superb depth for the small body size, nice blend and sustain, and overall a mellower tone than the rosewood/spruce models which dominate my collection. I think this will be a great guitar for fingerpicking, it has a soft edge to the tone which will suit a lot of the music I play quite well.

Of course, these are preliminary impressions based on having spent all of half an hour with her.

I've attached some pictures taken in natural light, I think they turned out a little better than the indoor ones. The clear pickguard I asked Edwin to install is still visible; he says it will settle and become invisible over the next couple of days.

Oh, happy day.

Okay, back to playing...Cheers, Mike



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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 03, 2009, 12:20:37 AM
Hmmm...only one picture seems to have gone through, here's another attempt...

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 03, 2009, 12:22:17 AM
Okay, apparently, I don't know how to post more than one picture at a time....or is it maximum 200KB for all four pictures....that would explain it.

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on April 03, 2009, 12:46:12 AM
Mike
I'm so happy that you've finally got her home.   Absolutely beautiful.  When I saw the wood you were selecting I knew it was going to be very special.  Worth the wait I think, huh ?   This one is bound to be one of the nicest ones.   Now mine has a twin.  :bgrin:
Hope we can get them together sometime.   :beer


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: es-335 on April 03, 2009, 12:53:54 AM
I must say.. hogs rule :)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 03, 2009, 01:13:46 AM
Mike
I'm so happy that you've finally got her home.   Absolutely beautiful.  When I saw the wood you were selecting I knew it was going to be very special.  Worth the wait I think, huh ?   This one is bound to be one of the nicest ones.   Now mine has a twin.  :bgrin:
Hope we can get them together sometime.   :beer


Thanks, Lynn - I definitely hope we can get together with them sometime soon!   :cheers


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on April 03, 2009, 01:16:51 AM
Mike,

The guitar is beautiful.  I'm so glad the rest of the guitars are starting to arrive.  Enjoy your new friend.  Keep posting your impressions as you spend more time with the guitar.  Hogs definitely RULE!!!!

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 03, 2009, 01:28:18 AM
has anybody put on a pick guard yet?

I just tried put a clear one on mine.. and failed miserably.. gah :(

I guess I'll put a tortoise pick gaurd on mine..

My 77 is way too nice of a strummer for no pick guard..
Ed put mine on at the factory.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 03, 2009, 01:31:12 AM
Mike, I am SO happy for you. She truly is beautiful. Watch out Tuffy, I think she's a bit more of a looker than yours. Who knows, maybe she'll be guitar of the month next month unless Bella gets that title :roll


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 03, 2009, 01:40:35 AM
has anybody put on a pick guard yet?

I just tried put a clear one on mine.. and failed miserably.. gah :(

I guess I'll put a tortoise pick gaurd on mine..

My 77 is way too nice of a strummer for no pick guard..


I watched Edwin do it at the factory this afternoon and it does look a little bit tricky. However, he did say that they take a while to settle so you may not be in as bad shape as first appears. After he put mine on, he went over the whole thing very gently with his fingertips to get most of the air out. He also cautioned me against strumming too much until it settles - usually they get more than half an hour between being installed and the guitar being played.  :winkin:

I was surprised it was soooo thin - quite unlike the ones they put on the glossy guitars.

Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 03, 2009, 01:41:40 AM
Mike, I am SO happy for you. She truly is beautiful. Watch out Tuffy, I think she's a bit more of a looker than yours. Who knows, maybe she'll be guitar of the month next month unless Bella gets that title :roll

Oh, she doesn't need to enter any contests. She knows how beautiful she is. :whistling:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on April 03, 2009, 02:07:14 AM
Mike, I am SO happy for you. She truly is beautiful. Watch out Tuffy, I think she's a bit more of a looker than yours. Who knows, maybe she'll be guitar of the month next month unless Bella gets that title :roll

I think you may be right.  Thats a great looking set of mahogany.   Of course, they all look great to me but Mike's seems a little bit extra special.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: es-335 on April 03, 2009, 02:17:59 AM
I actually didn't know that it needed to be settled...

and there was a real small piece of devire under the pick guard.. so I ended up taking it off..

hopefully if I really feel that I need a guard.. I'll put the tortoise pick guard on. 
but until that day comes, no pick guard for me :)


(http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/10.17.02/gifs/nelson-0242.jpg)


maybe Terra will end up like trigger

also tuffy's 000-50mt looks awesome with the torts pickguard.. so I am not too worried :)





Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on April 03, 2009, 02:42:46 AM
Congratulations Mike!

It will be in good company and will see many songs sung.
 :thumbsup



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion - My wait is over!!!!
Post by: Denis on April 03, 2009, 05:40:56 PM
Well...partly over.  I have the guitar, right here with me but I can't just sit here in my office and play??  It was sitting here, waiting for when I got back from my meeting just before lunch.  I had to open it to make sure everything was ok obviously....  :humour:

I've played it for about 3-4 min so far....quickly....the bass is much stronger for a guitar that size, especially when compared to my OO.  The IS is really pretty...mine has some pretty wide grain too.  The woods are beautiful.  The case smells like vanilla, glue from the case.  There are 2 pickguards in the case...neither will ever be used....and three picks...again, will never be used. 

Sweeeeeeeet!!!!

Pics and complete review....in a few days maybe???


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 03, 2009, 07:29:48 PM
Denis, in a few days!!! Are you crazy? We wants pic tonight!!!! :tongue:  :gotpics:  :gotpics:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 03, 2009, 07:45:04 PM
Ah, with the forum II now in transit, I was concerned my OM-03 would feel left out, so it got a strip down, cleaned carefully and some noce shiny new strings.  does anyone else always get a bit of a shock when the realise how dull the old strings were when you put new ones on?  Maybe not if you have multiple guitars.  I feel like I got a new guitar today, it sounds SWEEEET!

Back to the point, Denis, pictures are manditory, sort it out!!  Actually, no don't take pics, get the video camera out, and play Samuel and put it on youtube so we can see it and hear it!!!!  That way you still get to play it so everyone is a winner!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Denis on April 04, 2009, 01:43:43 AM
It's as light as a feather!!! 

I am so glad I jumped on this band wagon. 

I was sure that a 12 fret LS would be a great guitar but, but...Italian spruce and mahogany???    ...ITALIAN SPRUCE!!!  Sorry guys, pics tomorrow and video?  Ben, I promise to make a video or two very soon but right now, I need to spend some quality time with my new friend....bye!!!





Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on April 04, 2009, 01:54:51 AM
Everybody seems to react the same way when their guitar shows up and they get to see it for the first time.  No matter how high your expectations are...the guitar will be nicer than you are expecting.  Denis proves the point!!

Congrats.  Enjoy the guitar and get some pictures posted slowpoke!

Jordan


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 04, 2009, 02:09:37 AM
It's as light as a feather!!! 

I am so glad I jumped on this band wagon. 

I was sure that a 12 fret LS would be a great guitar but, but...Italian spruce and mahogany???    ...ITALIAN SPRUCE!!!  Sorry guys, pics tomorrow and video?  Ben, I promise to make a video or two very soon but right now, I need to spend some quality time with my new friend....bye!!!




I'm very happy to say this: "I told you so". I knew this git would fit you Denis.

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Hogtop on April 04, 2009, 02:13:52 AM
 :thumb
Hi everyone!  Well I just got a call from Jim H to let me know my guitar is now in his possesion. Yippie!!!!!!
I've so enjoyed all of your reactions and comments. No doubt this is going to be a great one.  Can't wait to smell it and stare in wonderment at all of that creamy IS and mahogany. From all of the pics it seems there was no cutting corners on the quality of the wood used. I'm thinking about the first song I'm going to play and what to name her.   :bgrin:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on April 04, 2009, 02:20:15 AM
Has anyone installed a clear pickguard? If so, how about posting some pics. Or tell me if I missed pics in the photo area.

Thanks, Norman


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 04, 2009, 03:19:04 AM
Has anyone installed a clear pickguard? If so, how about posting some pics. Or tell me if I missed pics in the photo area.

Thanks, Norman
Mine has the clear PG

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on April 04, 2009, 04:17:46 AM
Mine has the clear PG
danny

Thank you. Decision made. It will be too difficult to resist strumming. Clear to me now.  :whistling:

Norman


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on April 04, 2009, 10:01:45 AM
I love FedEx! Sometimes they surprise you with early delivery. My Forum III was shipped from N.Y. on Wed Apr 1 and the original estimated delivery date was Tuesday, Apr 7. Well it has already arrived in Portland, OR as of 11:30PM on the Apr 3, and has a new estimated delivery of Mon Apr 6!!!  It's sitting in a warehouse just 2 1/2 hrs away from me as we speak :nanadance Now with UPS, it would have been 7 full days, so I wouldn't have got it until the 8th. The OMV-03R I recently bought was shipped from the Nashville area via UPS, and from the time it left , it took 4 1/2 days to reach Portland, OR (where it sat over the weekend). With FedEx it only took 2 days and 8 hrs from when Jim dropped it off at the FedEx facility in Jamestown. That's awesome! If tomorrow wasn't a weekend I would have had it in just 3 days. And as far as shipping costs for guitars, FedEx is also about $15-$20 cheaper. Unbelievable.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Denis on April 04, 2009, 12:56:04 PM
Took some pics last night...in the pictures section under 31/78


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: aardvark on April 04, 2009, 01:10:34 PM
Forum III arrived just 15 minutes ago 9:00 AM EDT via FedEx.  Wow,wow.  It is sitting acclimating right now on my living room floor.  Beautiful IS top, played a few notes on it, its everything I had expected.  My hats off to the guys (and gals) who got this whole thing done.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Safricanplayer on April 04, 2009, 04:19:57 PM
I love FedEx! Sometimes they surprise you with early delivery. My Forum III was shipped from N.Y. on Wed Apr 1 and the original estimated delivery date was Tuesday, Apr 7. Well it has already arrived in Portland, OR as of 11:30PM on the Apr 3, and has a new estimated delivery of Mon Apr 6!!!  It's sitting in a warehouse just 2 1/2 hrs away from me as we speak :nanadance Now with UPS, it would have been 7 full days, so I wouldn't have got it until the 8th. The OMV-03R I recently bought was shipped from the Nashville area via UPS, and from the time it left , it took 4 1/2 days to reach Portland, OR (where it sat over the weekend). With FedEx it only took 2 days and 8 hrs from when Jim dropped it off at the FedEx facility in Jamestown. That's awesome! If tomorrow wasn't a weekend I would have had it in just 3 days. And as far as shipping costs for guitars, FedEx is also about $15-$20 cheaper. Unbelievable.

Mine left NY same day as yours, headed for Portland. I Just checked the Fedex Status, and it's "on Fedex vehicle for delivery" :nana_guitar

Can't wait to see and hear it :nanadance

 ~ Ray ~


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Londawg on April 04, 2009, 06:25:54 PM
OK Forum guitar III 24/78 rosewood with bone nut and saddle limited review. Well, only little playing time last night after it arrived yesterday so sound critique will come later. 1st impression though is it sounds deep, sophisticated and delicate. My wife commented it "sounds new". I think she means young unbranded newbee wood (we've been married 30+yrs) sounding. Fit and finish is exceptional for this price range and the satin finish and overall "low bling" presentation is awesome. I will say if recording is your thing than this finish may be noisy to you if it rubs against shirt or canvas cotton material and translates through an interanal mic/element or what have you. Don't really know and doesn't really relate to my situation so enough said. The bone nut and saddle and overall set up is perfect. Jim Holler's expertise can be appreciated even by a nonprofessional such as myself. He set mine up with a flatpicker in mind and it is right on! I am concentrating on mandolin these days so flatpicking is more desirable to me for skill building in general and I am sure you blues fingerstyle players may appreciate this guitar more for that purpose. No fret markers except at the 12th fret is cool, mahogany neck comfortable, ebony fretboard nicely done including the fret wires being smooth at the edges and comfortable when sliding across quickly.

Overall great quality guitar for the price  thanks to Mr. Larrivee and Mr. Holler effort to do something special for their loyal followers. Thanks to both of them and the forum for this opportunity. It is my first guitar that was made specifically for me, yippee!

Sound critique by my half deaf nonprofessionally trained ears will follow eventually. I am going to start working on that after ending this message.

Hope others are happy. Yes I still love my other Larrivee guitars and the forum lll's voice is distinctly different and very much welcomed at first listen.

Lon
PS  Hat was nice touch and were the pearloid picks ! Again, many thanks to all involved


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: morrow22 on April 04, 2009, 09:15:45 PM
Lon- thanks for the critique.  Be sure to send us pictures when you get a chance


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on April 04, 2009, 09:35:40 PM
#17 arrived at my house in Berkeley 10 minutes ago. Just like I remembered in Vancouver - but now I get to sit down and play in my living room - Check back with y'all in a couple days -

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 04, 2009, 09:50:50 PM
  Great Tad, MH/IS?
danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BlastersFan55 on April 04, 2009, 10:03:56 PM
Mine'll be showing up Tuesday!  :cheers


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on April 05, 2009, 12:25:16 AM
Since everyone is doing comparison shots, I decided to take some photos comparing my Forum III and my D-03.  My venerable D-03 is getting totally ignored at the moment and I'm wondering if I should keep it.  I just love my Forum III.   Its shaping up to be the perfect guitar for me.  You can do anything with this guitar.  Let me know what you think of my photos.

Jordan.

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: iDavid on April 05, 2009, 12:30:19 AM
Mines in and waiting instructions on my set-up preference

75 is a coming


What did  you all ask for in set-up.  I was going for minimal neck relief and medium low action...

I had this great tech in Germany set-up my OM-2 and it is perfect, but ti didn't describe what I want to him... he just did it

david


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 05, 2009, 01:15:13 AM
The top is amazing, I've never seen silking on a MT top. Unless I'm imagining things, which is always possible.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on April 05, 2009, 01:32:53 AM
The top is amazing, I've never seen silking on a MT top. Unless I'm imagining things, which is always possible.

holly
Holly,

No...you are not imagining things.  I really lucked out and ended up with this very unique hog top.  Here is a closer picture which shows you it in greater detail.  I'm sooo lucky.

Jordan.

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Stephen Basil on April 05, 2009, 02:33:03 AM
Well done Jordan... that top could almost pass for Koa!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on April 05, 2009, 04:49:29 AM
I'm trying to be at least a little objective about this new Forum III but I can't help bonding with this new guitar. I like the fact that it deviates from very balanced formula of a typical larrivee to be a bit heavy in the low end. The overtones with rosewood are gorgeous and the best way to describe the tone is smooth and creamy (though that probably doesn't help anyone envision it). Notes flow into one another beautifully. I also find the top very lively and I'm not sure if this due primarily to the unique bracing pattern or the Italian Spruce top. Maybe some of the all-hog owners can chime in.

Sadly I am being dragged back to the Big Apple for work and I won't get to play this baby for the next week. It also means that I won't get a chance to share pictures as promised until I get back. However I don't think that will be a problem since there are so many that will be delivered next week that I'm sure we'll all see enough wood porn. I hope everyone enjoys their Forum III's as much as I am.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on April 05, 2009, 05:03:18 AM
I'm trying to be at least a little objective about this new Forum III but I can't help bonding with this new guitar. I like the fact that it deviates from very balanced formula of a typical larrivee to be a bit heavy in the low end. The overtones with rosewood are gorgeous and the best way to describe the tone is smooth and creamy (though that probably doesn't help anyone envision it). Notes flow into one another beautifully. I also find the top very lively and I'm not sure if this due primarily to the unique bracing pattern or the Italian Spruce top. Maybe some of the all-hog owners can chime in.
Smooth and creamy is how I thought of the L-09 guitars I played the past few years.  Being a bit heavy in the low end is also my experience in 12-fret guitars (000-15S, SD-50, my '40 parlor). 
So you are describing about what I've been hoping my LS-03R will sound like.  Guess I'll have to send Jim the balance of what I owe him...   :wink:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Safricanplayer on April 05, 2009, 05:18:48 AM
The Fedex truck showed up around noon and delivered the much anticipated Forum III IS/RW. First impressions out the box ....WOW :nanadance
A beautiful even grained I/S top in creamy white. As someone, who loves and appreciates beautiful wood, I was really hoping for some 'character' in the rosewood, and I was not disappointed. It's not quite Ricky's, but very nice nonetheless!! The simple elegance of this instrument is truly special, and the workmanship is flawless. The herringbone around the soundhole looks great and the label with JL's signature, and 46/78 labeling finish off a really special little guitar. I could not help but love the lightweight feel of the instrument.

How does it sound?  Well, right out of the shoot, it absolutely exceeded my expectations. It's a lively, resonant and very well balanced guitar.  I find it surprisingly responsive for it's size, and overall it's just a real little gem. I've seen a couple of posts referring to a strong low end, and while describing tonal characteristics is a very subjective excercise, I don't think I'd describe this guitar as having a strong low end. The low end is definately not lacking, and there is an articulate quality to the low end, as opposed to more of a thump which I've experienced with a number of guitars. My Larrivee dred has a strong low end, this guitar exhibits very nice balance, particularly in the midrange.

I had a suspicion that the IS tops would really work out well on these guitars, and I'm pleased to report that IHMO these Forum III are going to be sought after instruments. I've played a number of OM-03RW's and none sounded as good as this one.... I don't believe there's anything on the market (that I'm aware of) at this price point to compete with these Forum III's.

The folks at Larrivee absolutely did themselves proud in the production of these very sweet little guitars. I feel like all of us who got to be part of this project really have something very special in these guitars. I have a suspicion you won't find many of these showing up for resale :winkin: Thanks again to all those who contributed to the final design and spec's of these little beauties.  :cheers

Now the question is, 'can my all hog match the excitement generated by Megan's IS/RW Forum III'? The wait continues.....

I'll try and post some photo's tomorrow..
 
  ~ Ray ~


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Safricanplayer on April 05, 2009, 05:27:48 AM
Holly,

No...you are not imagining things.  I really lucked out and ended up with this very unique hog top.  Here is a closer picture which shows you it in greater detail.  I'm sooo lucky.

Jordan.

Jordan,

That really is a spectacular top :smile: Man, I hope mine is even from the same planet..

 ~ Ray ~


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on April 05, 2009, 05:29:48 AM
Safricanplayer.............So how does Megan like it? Also, how long did you let it acclimate before opening, considering you are in a similar climate as I am.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Safricanplayer on April 05, 2009, 05:46:46 AM
Megan, has spent a bit of time with it, but truthfully is too new to playing to be able to really evaluate it. She does love the size, look and weight of the guitar. Pops sort of 'confiscated' the guitar for most of the afternoon :winkin:  The weather was great today, so I had the box opened and guitar out, a half an hour after it was delivered. The box was not at all cold when it arrived from Fedex, so I was comfortable opening it up relatively quickly.

 ~ Ray ~


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on April 05, 2009, 12:26:26 PM
The Fedex truck showed up around noon and delivered the much anticipated Forum III IS/RW. First impressions out the box ....WOW :nanadance
A beautiful even grained I/S top in creamy white. As someone, who loves and appreciates beautiful wood, I was really hoping for some 'character' in the rosewood, and I was not disappointed. It's not quite Ricky's, but very nice nonetheless!! The simple elegance of this instrument is truly special, and the workmanship is flawless. The herringbone around the soundhole looks great and the label with JL's signature, and 46/78 labeling finish off a really special little guitar. I could not help but love the lightweight feel of the instrument.

How does it sound?  Well, right out of the shoot, it absolutely exceeded my expectations. It's a lively, resonant and very well balanced guitar.  I find it surprisingly responsive for it's size, and overall it's just a real little gem. I've seen a couple of posts referring to a strong low end, and while describing tonal characteristics is a very subjective excercise, I don't think I'd describe this guitar as having a strong low end. The low end is definately not lacking, and there is an articulate quality to the low end, as opposed to more of a thump which I've experienced with a number of guitars. My Larrivee dred has a strong low end, this guitar exhibits very nice balance, particularly in the midrange.

I had a suspicion that the IS tops would really work out well on these guitars, and I'm pleased to report that IHMO these Forum III are going to be sought after instruments. I've played a number of OM-03RW's and none sounded as good as this one.... I don't believe there's anything on the market (that I'm aware of) at this price point to compete with these Forum III's.

The folks at Larrivee absolutely did themselves proud in the production of these very sweet little guitars. I feel like all of us who got to be part of this project really have something very special in these guitars. I have a suspicion you won't find many of these showing up for resale :winkin: Thanks again to all those who contributed to the final design and spec's of these little beauties.  :cheers

Now the question is, 'can my all hog match the excitement generated by Megan's IS/RW Forum III'? The wait continues.....

I'll try and post some photo's tomorrow..
 
  ~ Ray ~

Glad you like it.

Regarding the low-end: I played my LV-03RE right beside the Forum III LS-03R and I'm sure that the LS is not as balanced a sound as the standard sitka/rosewood L body. The trebles and bass are accentuated as normal for Rosewood, but there is something else in the low end, volume considerations aside. Both guitars have TUSQ saddles.

I've had an all-sapele top L body before and liked it, but not well enough to keep it. The guitar was very balanced but the compression made it lack any character. Are mahogany topped guitars fundamentally different in tone from sapele topped?

At any rate, when I talk about tone I want to be clear that I'm not talking about volume. And for the record, I've never heard ANY standard Larrivee that wasn't very balanced. For me, the low-end in my Forum III is far more pronounced than standard Larrivees. As you say, it is still articulate. I imagine there a few differences between the all-hog versions and the LS-03Rs.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 05, 2009, 12:40:18 PM
Tad, I'm so happy you got one of yours.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Denis on April 05, 2009, 01:18:27 PM
The mixture of the LS body size and the 12 fret neck make for a guitar that is so comfortable and loaded with tone.  I love the depth and balance.  The hog/spruce combination has been my favourite for a while now and the Italian spruce is really special.  Very clear and articulate but still warm and deep, perfect for fingerstyle...whoa...this little guitar rocks!!!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 05, 2009, 01:21:38 PM
The mixture of the LS body size and the 12 fret neck make for a guitar that is so comfortable and loaded with tone.  I love the depth and balance.  The hog/spruce combination has been my favourite for a while now and the Italian spruce is really special.  Very clear and articulate but still warm and deep, perfect for fingerstyle...whoa...this little guitar rocks!!!

Denis, I am SO happy you are pleased. I am also very happy that I'm no longer one of a couple that have a Forum III. And yes, this little guitar rocks!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Trinity Guitars on April 05, 2009, 09:32:11 PM
Okay, apparently, I don't know how to post more than one picture at a time....or is it maximum 200KB for all four pictures....that would explain it.
Mike   i felt so bad when your guitar was not ready at the 3/16 visit. So glad you have it now!
Jim Holler


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Trinity Guitars on April 05, 2009, 09:44:08 PM
Well,   I have seen, set up and played a lot of Forum III guitars by now. Don't ask how many I am not sure. We all have to thank John Jr and his crew for doing such a great job on these guitars. Yes mine is here. Not set up yet however yours have been keeping me busy. I played it out last wensday with my folk / bluegrass partner and it did very well with the banjo! I do like this little guitar. More to follow just wanted to reconnect and tell you all I am working hard and loving it.
Jim Holler


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 06, 2009, 12:41:54 AM
Mike   i felt so bad when your guitar was not ready at the 3/16 visit. So glad you have it now!
Jim Holler

Thanks, Jim. I tried to take it with calm Zen-like detachment, except for that unfortunate lapse where I was lying on the floor of the factory, moaning and sobbing uncontrollably while beating my fists on the ground. 


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 06, 2009, 01:09:59 AM
Thanks, Jim. I tried to take it with calm Zen-like detachment, except for that unfortunate lapse where I was lying on the floor of the factory, moaning and sobbing uncontrollably while beating my fists on the ground. 

                     As it turned out Mike you got yours before some who were there on the tour. I think if somehow they wouldn't have let me have mine I would still be in Canada today, looking through some windows with bars on them. :blush:

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 06, 2009, 01:23:24 AM
   On another note. Here is an impression after just putting mine back on the stand next to me.

 I made a bone saddle higher than my first bone saddle to try out strumming. I've been playing old Country songs, Merle, Hank, David Allen Coe. That last one "perfect country song" is kinda neat (ok "You never call me by my name)
 
  Anyway I never expected to be able to strum this little guitar and have it sound so clear and punchy. I just am saying that it surprised me. I knew it would be a fine fingerstyle guitar, but this is beyond my expectations.

  After a while I'll put the low saddle back and have it "play like butter"   

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on April 06, 2009, 04:51:09 AM
I have now had a day to spend with my RW/IS, and I am starting to get my thoughts together about this -

The rosewood is quite beautiful, nice color, but the satin finish hides too much of its color and grain. The top seems just a little yellow, but I think it is again, the finish, and I think it will age in nicely. It has subtle racing stripes, mineral lines in the spruce, and the grain is tight across the top but just starts to widen at the outmost edges of the lower bout. Very light but clear silking across the whole top - Very nice/beautiful - 

The neck is nice, but the sides are a bit more square, rather than oval, compared to my other Larrivees. Not a complaint, works fine, but just a bit different. Fret ends finished very well, bone saddle well set-up, action good and even. The strings seem a bit more "slinky" than I am used to  - I will be anxious to hear it with some EJ16s which I am more familiar with, or I am still anxious to try out some EJ19s. Intonation just a tiny, tiny bit off, but I don't believe that is a problem, and once it is acclimatized here in a couple months, I will get it tweaked just a tiny bit - par for the course with any guitar I've had.

The tone is bright and punchy, good bass and fantastic sustain, huge presence. This is not a guitar that needs to "open up", but it does need to age and settle in - and that might be my only "complaint". This is my very first, brand new guitar. In fact, this guitar was just getting glued up and painted just a few weeks ago. And it feels too new - it is like a new tool, which still has a few edges that need to get worn-in, but it also has a voice that needs some tempering/aging. I want to rub the body and neck out with some 0000 steel wool and a good carnuba paste wax, and then buff it out. That should make the surface a little slicker. Then I think this needs to get " the snot played out of it", so the box and its braces "vibrate in" and age  with each other for a while,  at which point this is going to be an awesome little guitar - It will be the envy of many in 10 years, and it certainly is pretty darn nice right now -

Now I am anxious to get the hog/IS model, so I can really hear the two voices next to each other - The rosewood has lots of overtones and is incredibly resonant - I can only imagine the mahogany will offer a distinctly different flavor, but the presence of this spruce is so overwhelming I cannot even guess how the mahogany will respond -

Anyway, I got alot more playing to do on this so I can wear these strings out and try something else - Better get to it -  :bgrin:

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on April 06, 2009, 05:44:46 AM
Well,   I have seen, set up and played a lot of Forum III guitars by now. Don't ask how many I am not sure. We all have to thank John Jr and his crew for doing such a great job on these guitars. Yes mine is here. Not set up yet however yours have been keeping me busy. I played it out last wensday with my folk / bluegrass partner and it did very well with the banjo! I do like this little guitar. More to follow just wanted to reconnect and tell you all I am working hard and loving it.
Jim Holler

Jim,

I've been thinking about you. Even while the ordering process was still open back in December-January, you have been keeping farmer's working hours. Make sure you take some rest and glad to hear you even take time to jam with your bluegrass friend(s).

I imagine time flies so fast in setting up one F III after another. Good to know we have a professional luthier who takes pleasure in what he does. The result of your work should be the satisfaction of F III owners. I'm glad to hear everyone is quite pleased with theirs.

Thanks so much for responding to this project very early on. Not knowing any better back then, I was told by the senior forum members here that it's critical to have a dealer right away to lend credibility to this project. Thanks for jumping right in - even when 16 became 78... and then some!  :smile:

We appreciate you Jim. Keep up the good work and keep going the extra mile so that every client of yours will not only be repeat customers, but clients for life.

Warmly,

ricky


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on April 06, 2009, 05:54:04 AM

I watched Edwin do it at the factory this afternoon and it does look a little bit tricky. However, he did say that they take a while to settle so you may not be in as bad shape as first appears.

Mike,

So happy you finally got your git. Sorry I couldn't be there to pick it up with you (like I day dreamed - was that last week or 2 ago).

It's just as well that I wasn't there at the Factory, I'm afraid I'll refuse to leave without carrying a guitar out - like the 3/16 experience. Or maybe, I would chain myself to the parlor top we found with the enlarged soundhole. Cling to the lonely neck with a killer headstock. And go on hunger strike, until they make me a parlor OO - and all gloss - yes, they can make anything in the Vancouver Factory. (money talks).

I may have just described the next special order, only I think people want an OO slothead - limited run or FG IV - but hey, I digressed already.

BTW, did the clear pick guard finally settle in? I guess, it shows more because of the darker color of the hog top?

Enjoy! ricky


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 06, 2009, 06:07:31 AM
Mike,

BTW, did the clear pick guard finally settle in? I guess, it shows more because of the darker color of the hog top?

Enjoy! ricky


It has settled somewhat I think, from certain angles you don't really see it, from others it is quite visible. I'm not absolutely certain it was necessary to have it installed given my style(s) of playing, but it's there now for better or worse.

Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on April 06, 2009, 07:45:16 AM
I have now had a day to spend with my RW/IS, and I am starting to get my thoughts together about this -

Tad,

What I'm really curious about is how your LSV-11 compares with your F III rw/IS.  Thinking back during our time at Mike's place last 3/16,

I would have loved to have done a comparison between your LSV-11 and my LSV-03R FIII.

When you have a chance, would you a/b your two LS rw's please? I want to know how a 14-fret short scale compares with a 12-fret; Sitka top vs IS top?

Of course, I know you can't  play your LSV-11 very long - so don't hurt yourself... glad you finally got your git.

Cheers,

ricky


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: LookingForLarri on April 06, 2009, 04:20:32 PM
Geez... am I the only one who has not received thier FIII ? 

Still looking daily for that tracking info from Jim, but no word yet.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: vates on April 06, 2009, 04:23:41 PM
Don't worry, you're not the only one. Still waitin' too...


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on April 06, 2009, 04:57:50 PM
Geez... am I the only one who has not received thier FIII ? 

Still looking daily for that tracking info from Jim, but no word yet.

I'm #13 ordered on Dec 12th and it has not been shipped from the factory yet.  :crying:  No, you're not alone.
Not sure why, if they were all done before the first shipment they didn't send them out in the order they were ordered. Oh well it is what it is.  Hope it gets here before I leave for the summer.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: kaos on April 06, 2009, 08:14:37 PM

I am still anxiously awaiting mine.  Best for last, as they say....

mary


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on April 06, 2009, 09:00:22 PM
For those still waiting...

Its worth the wait!!!!  Just be patient.  Just think about how good a glass of water tastes to someone who just wandered out of the desert...

 :whistling: :whistling: :whistling: :whistling: :whistling:
 :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Hogtop on April 06, 2009, 09:04:00 PM
I got a call from Jim on Saturday. Should be out today! Yippie!!!!
Bet I have mine in a couple of days. Hang in there folks.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Stephen Basil on April 06, 2009, 09:43:00 PM
Here's Number 55-  I haven't had her for more than fifteen minutes, but she's light, powerful and surprisingly open and easy to play! 


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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: gtrplayer on April 06, 2009, 09:55:31 PM
Good looking guitar Stephen!   

 :nice guitar:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on April 06, 2009, 09:55:58 PM
Stephen,

Congrats!!!!  Beautiful guitar.  The rosewood/cutaway combo looks stunning.  Enjoy!!!!!

 :nice guitar: :nice guitar: :nice guitar: :nice guitar: :nice guitar: :nice guitar: :nice guitar: :nice guitar:
 :+1: :+1: :+1: :+1: :+1: :+1: :+1: :+1: :+1: :+1:

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: morrow22 on April 06, 2009, 09:57:29 PM
Congratulations Stephen- beautiful guitar. That is the first pictures I have seen of the cutaway.  What did you play first?

I eagerly await my guitar.   This has truly been a joy to be a part of.  I have especially enjoyed reading everyone's excitement and anticipation.  What a nice way to bring a group of people together from lots of different locations with the same interest and enthusiasm.

Again- thanks for the pictures!!!  :thumbsup :nice guitar:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 06, 2009, 10:00:07 PM
 :nice guitar:

It's good to see anothe rosewood one.  Looks really nice with the cutaway.  Is that an OM-60 it has befriended?  Really shows the lightness of the IS.  


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 06, 2009, 10:27:22 PM
  That last one "perfect country song" is kinda neat (ok "You never call me by my name)
 
A few nights of having that blair out of jukebox on volume 11 at 2:30 a.m. while loading your equipment and manuvering thru the drunks to your truck and trying to get the least amount of beer possible spilled on you, will cure you of that song!  Sorry. I'll just move along now.............


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Yoyodyne on April 06, 2009, 10:56:38 PM
I've been playing old Country songs, Merle, Hank, David Allen Coe. That last one "perfect country song" is kinda neat (ok "You never call me by my name)

Just to help out those unfamiliar with this song, Steve Goodman wrote "You Never Even Call Me By My Name" and sang it on his debut album. To my mind Steve Goodman was an absolute genius, and one of the greatest singer-songwriters this country has ever produced. And one hell of a nice man. I just checked and you can get Goodman's debut album from Amazon for only $6.99; anyone who doesn't own this CD is missing out on an incredible talent. As most people know Steve also wrote "City of New Orleans" but he wrote and performed many, many more amazing songs. And his voice was just sublime... I'd better stop before I get carried away any more.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Stephen Basil on April 06, 2009, 11:03:53 PM
Thanks Jordan and Ben.  The companion is a 12th Fret OM-03 from last year that has matured remarkably well.  The Forum III still needs to be given some serious noodling, but she's strikingly vibrant and has a great feel on the neck.

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 06, 2009, 11:21:16 PM
She' beautiful Stephen. Congratulations!  :nice guitar:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 07, 2009, 12:00:35 AM
Yoyodyne, I love Steve Goodman FYI and even Coes use of song was ok the first 2 or 300 times!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 07, 2009, 01:00:29 AM
A few nights of having that blair out of jukebox on volume 11 at 2:30 a.m. while loading your equipment and manuvering thru the drunks to your truck and trying to get the least amount of beer possible spilled on you, will cure you of that song!  Sorry. I'll just move along now.............
                    That was the first time I ever played it , but I can understand your feeling about it.
Just to help out those unfamiliar with this song, Steve Goodman wrote "You Never Even Call Me By My Name" and sang it on his debut album. To my mind Steve Goodman was an absolute genius, and one of the greatest singer-songwriters this country has ever produced. And one hell of a nice man. I just checked and you can get Goodman's debut album from Amazon for only $6.99; anyone who doesn't own this CD is missing out on an incredible talent. As most people know Steve also wrote "City of New Orleans" but he wrote and performed many, many more amazing songs. And his voice was just sublime... I'd better stop before I get carried away any more.
                   Yea, I figured I should have put the writers credit up for that one. Thanks,    Danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 07, 2009, 01:02:33 AM
Thanks Jordan and Ben.  The companion is a 12th Fret OM-03 from last year that has matured remarkably well.  The Forum III still needs to be given some serious noodling, but she's strikingly vibrant and has a great feel on the neck.
                   Very cool and a nice picture.

Danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on April 07, 2009, 01:19:01 AM
#76/78 has landed. I haven't spent much time with her yet, but first impression is very favorable! I like it way better than my OMV-03R so far. BTW, I'm sure it came with Tusq bridge pins, same as my '08 L-03R. Next string change,  roll them around in your hand. They are 'tinkly', no way are they plastic. I'd already bought some bone w/abalone so I have them out, and I also have a set of stock Larrivee plastic pins. They are not the same material.

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on April 07, 2009, 01:20:22 AM
a couple more.....

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Yoyodyne on April 07, 2009, 01:22:29 AM
Very pretty, I hope my #21 looks as nice!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on April 07, 2009, 03:44:00 AM
#76/78 has landed. I haven't spent much time with her yet, but first impression is very favorable! I like it way better than my OMV-03R so far. BTW, I'm sure it came with Tusq bridge pins, same as my '08 L-03R. Next string change,  roll them around in your hand. They are 'tinkly', no way are they plastic. I'd already bought some bone w/abalone so I have them out, and I also have a set of stock Larrivee plastic pins. They are not the same material.

I'm keeping the TUSQ saddle on my Forum III. I got my Forum III early but I ended up with plastic pins. I don't suppose you or anyone else upgrading to the bone feels like mailing me their TUSQ pins?  :whistling:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Safricanplayer on April 07, 2009, 03:44:59 AM
Here are 2 shots of the I/S RW :smile: This is really one sweet little guitar :nana_guitar

 ~ Ray ~

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Cybercanyon on April 07, 2009, 07:28:56 AM
#7 is supposed to be here on Thursday!   :nanadance  I can't wait!   :smile:

Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 07, 2009, 01:57:31 PM
I'm keeping the TUSQ saddle on my Forum III. I got my Forum III early but I ended up with plastic pins. I don't suppose you or anyone else upgrading to the bone feels like mailing me their TUSQ pins?  :whistling:
  Those are tusq, which is "plastic", they all received the same pins from large tubs of the dark ones or the light ones, depending on which tonewood you have.

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BlastersFan55 on April 07, 2009, 01:59:07 PM
Nice guitars folks!

My all Hog was just delivered this AM, but I won't be able to open her up 'til tomorrow.      :crying:  I'm on the road most of today.

Pictures by the weekend, though!   :thumbsup



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Stephen Basil on April 07, 2009, 05:41:54 PM
Congratulations Stephen- beautiful guitar. That is the first pictures I have seen of the cutaway.  What did you play first?

I eagerly await my guitar.   This has truly been a joy to be a part of.  I have especially enjoyed reading everyone's excitement and anticipation.  What a nice way to bring a group of people together from lots of different locations with the same interest and enthusiasm.

Again- thanks for the pictures!!! 


Thanks for the thumb's up morrow22

Are you also getting a cutaway?  I had one briefly a Blueridge, OOO Martin knock off that I really liked and thought that this would be a great mate for the OM.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on April 07, 2009, 05:55:10 PM

Are you also getting a cutaway? 

I am, though mine is a mahogany back/sides.  Can't wait!  The shape looks fantastic.

Adam


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on April 07, 2009, 06:01:26 PM
  Those are tusq, which is "plastic", they all received the same pins from large tubs of the dark ones or the light ones, depending on which tonewood you have.

danny

Yes, Danny's correct.....technically they are still plastic, but they are nowhere remotely like the old plastic. If you roll them together in your hand they sound like glass, and if you bite on them (yes, I'm embarrassed to say I have tried it), they don't dent like plastic. I would think they perform much closer to bone than plastic.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: LaminateBoy on April 07, 2009, 06:46:25 PM
My wife just called to say that a guitar had been delivered to the house. I wonder what it could be?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: morrow22 on April 07, 2009, 06:59:38 PM
Stephen, nope I am not getting the cutaway.  But I really like the way they turned out, as with all the other guitars.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on April 07, 2009, 11:29:48 PM
Has anyone found a drop-in tuner yet? Also, I know this has been posted but I can't find it.....what strings were these strung with at the factory?  :whistling:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on April 07, 2009, 11:36:35 PM
D'Addario EXP lights.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on April 07, 2009, 11:53:23 PM
Thank you sir! My new L-03R came with the Cleartone's I think, and I thought I had heard that's what they were using now. But I know that's not what I had read re: the Forum III's. So are they not necessarily using a standard string now or did they switch already? And how does everyone like these D'Addario EXP's? I usually use the EJ16's.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 08, 2009, 12:01:38 AM
   OK, I'm serious here, let me know what y'all think about me using some 1960 vintage (real deal) KLUSON tuners, in great shape. White butter bean style buttons.
    I was saving them for my 66 Gibson, but I may just polish up the nickle, lube the gears with teflon and give the "ole" F-III #1  a very distinctive look.
               So give me some feed back here...

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on April 08, 2009, 12:16:25 AM
Like this?

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 08, 2009, 01:08:02 AM
 
Like this?
Exactly, only 49 years old. But in great condition.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on April 08, 2009, 01:16:31 AM
I think those would look really good. I like the duller finish tuners on the satin finish anyway, and the white buttons would look good against the ebony overlay. Those would also add a nice antiqued look. Have the buttons yellowed any? That would be cool.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 08, 2009, 01:26:14 AM
These have not yellowed much, but they are not bright white either.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 08, 2009, 01:28:18 AM
I'm not supposed to ber eading this thread, but, I like the tuners a lot.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 08, 2009, 01:30:45 AM
I'm not supposed to ber eading this thread, but, I like the tuners a lot.

holly
why can't you read this thread?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Safricanplayer on April 08, 2009, 03:05:54 AM

How does it sound?  Well, right out of the shoot, it absolutely exceeded my expectations. It's a lively, resonant and very well balanced guitar.  I find it surprisingly responsive for it's size, and overall it's just a real little gem. I've seen a couple of posts referring to a strong low end, and while describing tonal characteristics is a very subjective excercise, I don't think I'd describe this guitar as having a strong low end. The low end is definately not lacking, and there is an articulate quality to the low end, as opposed to more of a thump which I've experienced with a number of guitars. My Larrivee dred has a strong low end, this guitar exhibits very nice balance, particularly in the midrange.

I had a suspicion that the IS tops would really work out well on these guitars, and I'm pleased to report that IHMO these Forum III are going to be sought after instruments. I've played a number of OM-03RW's and none sounded as good as this one.... I don't believe there's anything on the market (that I'm aware of) at this price point to compete with these Forum III's.

I'll try and post some photo's tomorrow..
 
  ~ Ray ~

Well it's been a few days since this post, and more happy hours spent with this wee gem. While initially I did not agree with the "strong low end" comments posted by other Forum III owners, I now find myself in complete agreement with them. What's equally impressive, is the "character" of the low end. While strong, the low end does not dominate or muddy the sound ( a characteristic sometimes found in larger bodied guitars) but rather provides a foundation that supports a clean mid range and sweet highs.  The RW B&S provides some rich overtones and very nice sustain. I cant' wait to hear what these guitars will sound like once they've settled in a bit and have a year or so of maturing under their belt :smile:

 ~ Ray ~


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on April 08, 2009, 04:49:44 AM
Ahhhh    some more of that ol "confirmatioin bias" rearing it's ugly head again I see. :wink:

How easily us un-educated are led into thinking that these are actually decent guitars.   :roll


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 08, 2009, 04:53:24 AM
Ahhhh    some more of that ol "confirmatioin bias" rearing it's ugly head again I see. :wink:

How easily us un-educated are led into thinking that these are actually decent guitars.   :roll
  Lynn, I'll be in town tomorrow. Looking forward to hearing you play your f-III, or for that matter any of your gits. I'm bringing my 00-09FM. See ya soon.

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: es-335 on April 08, 2009, 04:57:51 AM
it's been almost a week since I've had my #77.
If I had to pick a word to describe this guitar would be "out spoken"
This guitar needs to be tamed a little.. if you know what I mean... this guitar is very sensitive that I can't hide any of my mistakes when playing...

I enjoy it very much.

there is a little bump on the neck from finishing.. that bugs me a little.. but I guess I'll have to get used to it..


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on April 08, 2009, 05:03:32 AM
Does anyone else find the high E a little less pronounced (as in volume or projection) than the other strings?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 08, 2009, 05:17:42 AM
Does anyone else find the high E a little less pronounced (as in volume or projection) than the other strings?
  Your saddle may not be flat. I have not had any issues with mine. Did you get an undersaddle pick up?

Danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on April 08, 2009, 06:05:01 AM
I forgot to mention it was just the open E string.  :rolleye: I took some 500 grit sandpaper and creased it and ran it around the nut slot. I think there may have just been a little burr in there or something, and maybe the string was getting pinched a bit. I think it's OK now. 


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on April 08, 2009, 07:24:19 AM
dragon1952
glad to hear it was easily resolved.  Mine seems to be remarkably loud on all strings. . . especially for small bodied guitar such as this.  I didn't get the bone saddle on mine because I took it with me from the factory tour and Jim didn't have a chance to fit one for me.   I have a saddle and ebony pins  coming this week so I'll see if they make any difference.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on April 08, 2009, 02:14:40 PM
   OK, I'm serious here, let me know what y'all think about me using some 1960 vintage (real deal) KLUSON tuners, in great shape. White butter bean style buttons.
    I was saving them for my 66 Gibson, but I may just polish up the nickle, lube the gears with teflon and give the "ole" F-III #1  a very distinctive look.
               So give me some feed back here...

danny

You know danny, I think you have a keeper guitar. As such, you should do what ever floats your boat. Besides, I think you have the skills to be able to change it back without a sign of any work being done. So if you change your mind and don't like the look after all, no biggie. I say go for it.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: iDavid on April 08, 2009, 02:33:18 PM
My F-3 all hog is on its way.  I have high hopes for this LiL hog.  I've tired a fair amount of guitars over the last year and my CA Legacy is the only keeper in the bunch.  Not much to say, but the wait seems like forever.... two more weeks I'm guessing


david


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on April 08, 2009, 02:39:36 PM
My F-3 all hog is on its way.  I have high hopes for this LiL hog.  I've tired a fair amount of guitars over the last year and my CA Legacy is the only keeper in the bunch.  Not much to say, but the wait seems like forever.... two more weeks I'm guessing


david

david
Although the Italian Spruce was hard to pass up I went for the all hog as well.  I've often wondered if I would have been happier with the Spruce but every time I play my F-IIII hogtop my uncertainty disappears.   Your wait will be worth the reward.    :thumb


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: es-335 on April 08, 2009, 02:42:36 PM
David, you'll love yours..

I hardly have any time to spend on the forum anymore...

all my spare time goes to my F3


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on April 08, 2009, 02:45:47 PM
Don't have my Italian Spruce FIII yet, but when I do, I'm sure I'll be wondering if I should have gotten a hogtop.  The grass is always greener, or in this case browner.  I think we all secretly (or publicly) want 2 FIIIs.  :cheers


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: iDavid on April 08, 2009, 02:46:59 PM
Jim sent me some pictures and it has some flame on the front and the back has all types of character.  I had Jim put in pick-up, cuz  I am planning on this being my main guitar. If it all goes as I hope, I will be selling a few guitars shortly.

Little guitar, big sound, with warm and soul..... that's what I want.  


Title: Photomat's LS03 M/IS HB Photos #23
Post by: photomat on April 08, 2009, 08:13:57 PM
Well, I put some photos in the picture section, but here are a couple. 

Here is the link to my picture section thread
Picture Thread Link (http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=26368.0)

I finally made it home after my guitar had 4 days to warm up while I was out of Town.

Here are some quick photos I did this afternoon.  I love the sound, but more on that later.

Jim Did a fantastic job setting this up, and it plays so smooth and easily.  Thank you , Jim


(http://files.me.com/wm7n/shmbok) (http://files.me.com/wm7n/swkaxb)

I will post more after I play it some more.

Matt


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on April 08, 2009, 08:21:48 PM
Great camera work as usual Matt.     What a fine looking guitar that is.   I'm glad you finally have yours home and can fully appreciate it.   You got just a teasing taste of it in Vancouver.  Hmmmm   could we be seeing a preview of the next GOTM here ????


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on April 08, 2009, 09:16:42 PM
Matt,

The guitar looks awesome and as usual, your pictures are outstanding.  Glad to see your guitar finally made it's way home.  You were in a unique situation in that you got to see your guitar and then had to wait another few weeks to get it.  It must have been a painful wait.  But that's now water under the bridge.

Enjoy and play it in the best of health!!!

 :+1: :+1: :nice guitar: :+1: :+1:

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 08, 2009, 09:16:55 PM
Congratulations Matt - and great photos. Hope we get a chance to play our FIII's together soon....Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: pennerblue on April 09, 2009, 01:20:35 AM

there is a little bump on the neck from finishing.. that bugs me a little.. but I guess I'll have to get used to it..

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but some superfine (the kind at the hardware store for refinishing wood furniture) steel wool should rub that right out.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: pennerblue on April 09, 2009, 01:38:28 AM
OK, 5 days with the FIII hogtop and I'm ready for comment.  Its "looks" have been discussed and pics have been posted elsewhere.  Sound is dreamy.  As (I think) Tuffy (or someone else said), these hog tops are a bit brighter with longer sustain than might be expected.  I've only played a handful of hogtops, but that seems to be the case.  I plan to swap out the strings to a mellower set (Martin Marquis PB) or in the extreme some silk and steels.

To me the bass response is surprisingly deep (for a lil' git).  Probably the 12 fret/bracing combo, lots of folks know more about this than me.  It's not over the top in volume but the tone of that open E is just mesmorizing.  Nice and deep and woody.  I'm a bass heavy player (kinda Neil Young-ish) so I'm tickled pink.  I will record some simple ditties to showcase various aspects of its tone and put them up on reverbnation soon.

The other thing I've noticed is that the strings are more "slack" since you are strumming/picking a few inches further from the bridge (more toward the center of the string lengthwise).  Not that there is any buzz or anything, just that they really give way when you attack them.  I'll need to brush up on guitar physics before I make sense out of the impact on tone.  This is my first 12 fretter, so it's all new to me.

I also had it set up with moderately low action.  All my dreads and my L are medium action so's I can really honk on 'em.  The combination of the brand new satin finish, low action, and stock coated strings make this thing play like lightning (even though I'm not good enough to play like lightning, it is really noticeable.)

It seems to me that this particular guitar also has a more pronounced midrange (probably the mahogany taking a rosewood guy by surprise...but also compared to silver oak).

I'm looking forward to breaking it in and having it mellow with age.
Enjoy,
Penner


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on April 09, 2009, 02:54:58 AM
Matt,

The guitar looks awesome and as usual, your pictures are outstanding.  Glad to see your guitar finally made it's way home.  You were in a unique situation in that you got to see your guitar and then had to wait another few weeks to get it.  It must have been a painful wait.  But that's now water under the bridge.

Enjoy and play it in the best of health!!!

 :+1: :+1: :nice guitar: :+1: :+1:

Jordan.

Thanks Tuffy and Jordan.

It was a bit of a wait, but I will tell you, it was worth it.  I asked Jim to set it up for flesh (no nail) finger picking, and it is so smooth and your hardly have to put any pressure on the strings for the notes to ring.

Everything made the trip safe and sound back east and back, and it was well packed.  I am so taken by the sound.  I have a taylor GS Mahogany Cedar that is so full and rich and loud.  This guitar is loud in a very clear and crisp way.  Very well balanced, and it adds just what I have been missing in my guitar closet.

Speaking of good health, we spent the weekend at a conference, and I got the worst of chest colds, so even though I joked earlier about calling in sick, I really am staying home from work tomorrow.  At least I know what I will be doing!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on April 09, 2009, 02:58:09 AM
Congratulations Matt - and great photos. Hope we get a chance to play our FIII's together soon....Mike

I hope so Mike.  I am looking at the 29th of May, and have yet to tell if I can make it.  It was so weird knowing my guitar was at the office, when I was not.  For some reason my cargo travel guitar was trying to fool me into thinking it was rare Italian Spruce..but NO!

Thanks again, and I will send you a line if I get up your way again.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on April 09, 2009, 03:13:53 AM
Penner,

Thank you for your review.  I could not even start to review mine, as I opened mine just today.  It is nice to read your comment after a few days.  There is such a unique voice to my Hog/IS compared to anything I own.  I can hardly wait to have DaveG play this alongside his OM03R to hear all the nuances of both models.

Thanks again for your review


matt


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: jojo on April 09, 2009, 03:30:28 AM
I only read through a few pages of this thread and was bored to tears. All the glowing reviews and the wine connoisseur language. So, I'm just curious: Does anyone think his/her FIII is really no better than any other Larrivee? (And that wouldn't be a bad thing.)



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on April 09, 2009, 04:08:58 AM
Lookin' for some dirt eh? I guess that would have made the reading more interesting?   :smile:  Sorry to disappoint you, but this is my 3rd Larrivee and I have to say it's my favorite. Awesome guitar, in looks, feel and tone....sorry  :yawn


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 09, 2009, 04:25:28 AM
Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but some superfine (the kind at the hardware store for refinishing wood furniture) steel wool should rub that right out.
  Don't use steel wool, get some Micro-Mesh. It's amazing.

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 09, 2009, 04:26:56 AM
Great camera work as usual Matt.     What a fine looking guitar that is.   I'm glad you finally have yours home and can fully appreciate it.   You got just a teasing taste of it in Vancouver.  Hmmmm   could we be seeing a preview of the next GOTM here ????
   What he said :-)   Matt it looks like the twin to mine, ENJOY

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 09, 2009, 04:28:16 AM
I only read through a few pages of this thread and was bored to tears. All the glowing reviews and the wine connoisseur language. So, I'm just curious: Does anyone think his/her FIII is really no better than any other Larrivee? (And that wouldn't be a bad thing.)


  Not me. (and no apology)

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on April 09, 2009, 04:48:25 AM
"No better than"? - I think in terms of "As good as" -

These are really sweet little guitars - But tonight, even though it is new, I put it down and played my old LS10, and then my LSV11, and even a little on the OM-MT12. And I realized that I feel pretty blessed, that all these are great guitars, and I would be very hard pressed to have to choose one over another. Each has its own strengths, and each its weaknesses. Right now the Forum3 is still too new, still has that "new guitar smell" and hasn't gotten its first ding yet, so it's hard to be objective -

But just as I've seen Parlors, and 00s, and OMs, and SDs, and whatever each catch the Forums imagination - eventually desires cool, and a new fancy catches peoples attention. The Forum3 has involved alot of waiting, and I think alot of peoples spare money, and still many people haven't recvd their guitars yet, so this is going to go on a while.

It will be interesting to see what comes next -

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on April 09, 2009, 02:18:42 PM
I only read through a few pages of this thread and was bored to tears. All the glowing reviews and the wine connoisseur language. So, I'm just curious: Does anyone think his/her FIII is really no better than any other Larrivee? (And that wouldn't be a bad thing.)


That's a valid question.  Despite the recent "confirmation bias" garbage, there's certainly a honeymoon period that many are experiencing.  I think that's very much to be expected and very much a good thing.  We'd all be in trouble if everyone got his guitar and they were all mediocre.  Be careful around here, though.  There are some that take these guitars just a bit too seriously.  :)

Looking forward to mine!  Haven't heard anything from Jim yet, so mine's in a future batch.

Adam


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 09, 2009, 04:02:06 PM
That's a valid question.  Despite the recent "confirmation bias" garbage, there's certainly a honeymoon period that many are experiencing.  I think that's very much to be expected and very much a good thing.  We'd all be in trouble if everyone got his guitar and they were all mediocre.  Be careful around here, though.  There are some that take these guitars just a bit too seriously.  :)

Looking forward to mine!  Haven't heard anything from Jim yet, so mine's in a future batch.

Adam
  Yea, but we are learning to lighten up.

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 09, 2009, 04:07:53 PM
As I am still a newbie, my thoughts or impressions may not be as valid as others. However, Bella blows Holly (the guitar) out of the water. Of course, part of that is going to be due to the size differential. But the mid tones on Bella are just amazing.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Dotneck on April 09, 2009, 05:38:16 PM
As I am still a newbie, my thoughts or impressions may not be as valid as others. However, Bella blows Holly (the guitar) out of the water. Of course, part of that is going to be due to the size differential. But the mid tones on Bella are just amazing.

Isn't your Holly guitar a parlor?  If the F3 didn't sound better/bigger/fuller than a parlor i would send it back. I don't think a parlor can compete with a full size guitar...


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 09, 2009, 06:13:05 PM
Isn't your Holly guitar a parlor?  If the F3 didn't sound better/bigger/fuller than a parlor i would send it back. I don't think a parlor can compete with a full size guitar...

Yeah, Holly is a parlor. That was my point about the size differential comment.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: johnny37 on April 09, 2009, 11:42:27 PM
The point being ... size does matter.   :humour:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on April 10, 2009, 12:36:55 AM
The point being ... size does matter.   :humour:

It's about time someone lightened the atmosphere up around here.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 10, 2009, 12:39:45 AM
It's about time someone lightened the atmosphere up around here.

Believe me, John is the right guy to do that! Right John? Hurry, hurry hard...


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 10, 2009, 12:42:40 AM
The point being ... size does matter.   :humour:

Any broad on the forum coulda told you that....

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: gtrplayer on April 10, 2009, 01:16:08 AM
Quote
Any broad on the forum coulda told you that....

You're right on that one.  My wife particuarly likes it  when I play my jumbo.  Though she prefers that I play it on weekends only for a hour at a time.  So I guess you might say she's the boss when it comes to size, length and frequency.  :roll

gtrplayer


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 10, 2009, 01:42:30 AM
Hey, I thought we all agreed that it was the skill of the player that was responsible for the best response?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Daysailer on April 10, 2009, 02:43:52 AM
#63 arrived, fully formed, with all her fingers and toes.

Crys like a newborn wantin' to be Luv'd......

Bear claw  birth marks

Strippy wide grain top at the edges

Strippy Hog back  (forceps ?)




workin' graveyard this week,  pics when i wake up.
 :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on April 10, 2009, 02:51:22 AM
#63 arrived, fully formed, with all her fingers and toes.

Crys like a newborn wantin' to be Luv'd......

Bear claw  birth marks

Strippy wide grain top at the edges

Strippy Hog back  (forceps ?)




workin' graveyard this week,  pics when i wake up.
 :nana_guitar

Is this where we take a look at your "ugly" newborn and say......"Now THAT"S a baby" :humour:

Congratulations on the arrival.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Daysailer on April 10, 2009, 03:23:39 AM
No, this is where i take thousands of pictures to bore you with,,,, like any proud parent of a newborn.



OR....

Where I take millions of pictures to come within spittin' distance of the quality of your Photography....
(you probably play better than me too)....       (((HOPEFULLY,    lotta humor   :roll   )))



Do I sound punchy??    been workin' a graveyard this week.... sure feel punchy


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 10, 2009, 04:55:18 AM
No, this is where i take thousands of pictures to bore you with,,,, like any proud parent of a newborn.



OR....

Where I take millions of pictures to come within spittin' distance of the quality of your Photography....
(you probably play better than me too)....       (((HOPEFULLY,    lotta humor   :roll   )))



Do I sound punchy??    been workin' a graveyard this week.... sure feel punchy
                  Looking forward to seeing your git Phil. All I have with me is my 00-09FM here in dreary, rainy California right now. I miss my  wife more than my F-III....;-)  But I do miss my F-III too. Maybe tomorrow Tad will let me play his RW F-III and that will get me by till Monday. TtP's sure looks nice but it's BACKWARDS.

                BTW... V'couver S.paw. I made your bone saddle last nite. I borrowed one of Lynn's lefty saddles to be my guide. I set it a little low for fingerstyle. Since I don't have your Git we won't know how well it will work till you drop it in.


danny



Title: LS03 M/IS with iBeam recording in DADGAD
Post by: photomat on April 10, 2009, 04:55:41 AM
I joked yesterday about taking a sick day, and now  I am running a 101 fever.  No more joking around here.

I tuned my new guitar to Dadgad and played a little diddy straight from the iBeam into a Micro BR.  It could use a little eq...the ibeam at least here sounds a bit brighter and snappier than the guitar...but not by much.

Nothing to write home about...but here it is.


Recording of LS03 iBeam Pickup (http://files.me.com/wm7n/0mizkg)

Here is a second one I did of just the guitar into the mic on the micro BR, bypassing the Ibeam for comparison.

LS03 Recorded straight into MicroBR (no iBeam) for comparison. (http://files.me.com/wm7n/v8a7y5)


The link automatically downloads a .mp3 file...about 1 meg in size.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 10, 2009, 07:13:25 AM

                BTW... V'couver S.paw. I made your bone saddle last nite. I borrowed one of Lynn's lefty saddles to be my guide. I set it a little low for fingerstyle. Since I don't have your Git we won't know how well it will work till you drop it in.

danny



Cool! Thanks in advance, I'll p.m. you my mailing addres in case you don't have it...Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 10, 2009, 05:05:12 PM

Cool! Thanks in advance, I'll p.m. you my mailing addres in case you don't have it...Mike
good idea


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on April 10, 2009, 08:59:33 PM
I added a second recording of the LS03 to my post a couple up the thread, so you can compare the iBeam vs the guitar into a mic.  I also posted the same thin in the "Playing" section of the forum.

Danny say hi to the California Gang.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: JohnT on April 10, 2009, 11:35:17 PM
57/78, IS/Hog,  she's a keeper.

I've been playing it since Monday, I'll get the negatives out of the way first. 

Not a fan of the vanilla case perfume.   My case has been airing outside for 4 days, and I'll leave it there until the scent fades.

Like the others, it's a beautiful instrument.  But it does have a small finish glitch on the top.  As if there are two small pinpricks, perhaps a little extra finish.  I'm probably the only one who will ever notice it, but for those with experience, would I be really stupid to take some of that Micro-mesh to the top?  I'll not try it anytime soon, for sure.

Sound.  This is my first mahogany guitar.  I have also been taken with the bass response, particularly in direct comparison with my OM-03R.  I've had the OM for two years, and since day one I've been a little disappointed with its lack of bass.  Particularly the low G note
on string 6.  I'm considering trying a bone saddle in the OM, wondering how much that is contributing to the bass on the LS.
The LS is definitely brighter than the OM.  Could be partly due to strings, though the strings on the OM are not very old.  In another couple of months I'll probably put identical strings on both to see that comparison.  If there is anyway I can get the same depth of bass tone from the OM that I get from the LS, it would be wonderful.

Another part of the LS/OM comparison:  I think I finally have a sense of what people mean when they describe the RW tone as "darker" than mahogany.  Both beautiful, but undeniably different.

Jim's set up is really nice.

Anyway, don't take my first comments wrong.  It's a fine, fine guitar.  We're tightly bound already.

John


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: jeremy3220 on April 11, 2009, 12:02:15 AM

Like the others, it's a beautiful instrument.  But it does have a small finish glitch on the top.  As if there are two small pinpricks, perhaps a little extra finish.  I'm probably the only one who will ever notice it, but for those with experience, would I be really stupid to take some of that Micro-mesh to the top?  I'll not try it anytime soon, for sure.



If you do that you'll have to do it to the rest of the guitar or it won't match. When you say 'pinpricks' I'm think tiny indentions, if that's the case it probably wouldn't be a good idea to sand the finish down to even it out. The finish is very thin and you might find the indention is in the wood not just the finish but it's hard to say with out seeing it.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 11, 2009, 12:48:05 AM
I added a second recording of the LS03 to my post a couple up the thread, so you can compare the iBeam vs the guitar into a mic.  I also posted the same thin in the "Playing" section of the forum.

Danny say hi to the California Gang.
   Will do Matt. Tad, Lynn and I are getting together in just a few.

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 11, 2009, 12:53:00 AM
If you do that you'll have to do it to the rest of the guitar or it won't match. When you say 'pinpricks' I'm think tiny indentions, if that's the case it probably wouldn't be a good idea to sand the finish down to even it out. The finish is very thin and you might find the indention is in the wood not just the finish but it's hard to say with out seeing it.
            Heh, Jeremy since you have not seen one of these. Why don't you come to Texas and check out mine. And while you are here you might just put my micro-mesh to use and polish my F-III up. That way you could gain some more good git work experience. ;-)

          (I know, I'm the one needing the experience,right?)

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 11, 2009, 12:55:51 AM
57/78, IS/Hog,  she's a keeper.

I've been playing it since Monday, I'll get the negatives out of the way first. 

Not a fan of the vanilla case perfume.   My case has been airing outside for 4 days, and I'll leave it there until the scent fades.

Like the others, it's a beautiful instrument.  But it does have a small finish glitch on the top.  As if there are two small pinpricks, perhaps a little extra finish.  I'm probably the only one who will ever notice it, but for those with experience, would I be really stupid to take some of that Micro-mesh to the top?  I'll not try it anytime soon, for sure.

Sound.  This is my first mahogany guitar.  I have also been taken with the bass response, particularly in direct comparison with my OM-03R.  I've had the OM for two years, and since day one I've been a little disappointed with its lack of bass.  Particularly the low G note
on string 6.  I'm considering trying a bone saddle in the OM, wondering how much that is contributing to the bass on the LS.
The LS is definitely brighter than the OM.  Could be partly due to strings, though the strings on the OM are not very old.  In another couple of months I'll probably put identical strings on both to see that comparison.  If there is anyway I can get the same depth of bass tone from the OM that I get from the LS, it would be wonderful.

Another part of the LS/OM comparison:  I think I finally have a sense of what people mean when they describe the RW tone as "darker" than mahogany.  Both beautiful, but undeniably different.

Jim's set up is really nice.

Anyway, don't take my first comments wrong.  It's a fine, fine guitar.  We're tightly bound already.

John

Mine is hog/IS with great bass response using Tusq or bone saddles. It's the git itself more than the saddle.

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: JohnT on April 11, 2009, 01:33:30 AM
Mine is hog/IS with great bass response using Tusq or bone saddles. It's the git itself more than the saddle.

danny

That's what I thought--more the git than the saddle.

And more or less what I expected based on discussions.  More kudos to those of you who came up with the specs for this series, they are living up to expectations.

John


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 11, 2009, 01:38:45 AM
That's what I thought--more the git than the saddle.

And more or less what I expected based on discussions.  More kudos to those of you who came up with the specs for this series, they are living up to expectations.

John
  It is nice to hear these responses and somewhat of a relief. I did't want to be the only kid on the block saying how truly nice these turned out. From what I'm seeing posted especially about the MH/IS there is a similar explanation of the tone and volume of this git. Each person uses different words, but if you look close, all are saying the same exact thing.

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: jeremy3220 on April 11, 2009, 02:28:12 AM
            Heh, Jeremy since you have not seen one of these. Why don't you come to Texas and check out mine. And while you are here you might just put my micro-mesh to use and polish my F-III up. That way you could gain some more good git work experience. ;-)

          (I know, I'm the one needing the experience,right?)

danny

I'm seriously considering doing that to my OM-03MT finally. I'm going to slot the bridge and make some string ramps in the next few days.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tjmangum on April 11, 2009, 03:15:31 AM
Greetings,
#30 arrived late today. Pics and first impressions tomorrow AM. Very nice first blush.
tj


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 11, 2009, 07:39:23 AM
          I'm going to slot the bridge and make some string ramps in the next few days.
       I want to do that also, and put in some slotless bone pins. I'd like to see how yours turns out. Maybe a new Topic on this would be interesting.

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on April 11, 2009, 03:18:40 PM
  It is nice to hear these responses and somewhat of a relief. I did't want to be the only kid on the block saying how truly nice these turned out. From what I'm seeing posted especially about the MH/IS there is a similar explanation of the tone and volume of this git. Each person uses different words, but if you look close, all are saying the same exact thing.

That's been my impression, too, so I think it shows the influence of the body size and bracing even though the tonewoods are different.

Jim just let me know that #26 will be going out on Monday.  Woohoo!

Adam


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: willguitar on April 11, 2009, 04:55:40 PM
Received the Forum III LS-03 IS/Hog yesterday. In a word, this is an outstanding acoustic guitar! Great tone, volume, playability, looks. Played with a friend yesterday. He was impressed! I believe there is something special about Italian spruce, let alone the whole package.

 :nice guitar:

Kudos to:

  Larrivee for building such a great guitar and such a great price

  Jim H. for handling the orders, setting up the guitars and the Trinity/Larrivee Forum Guitar III hat (nice!)

  the Forum for being the catalyst for these special guitars.

 :cheers


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on April 11, 2009, 05:59:42 PM
Congrats Will!!

 :gotpics: :gotpics: :gotpics: :gotpics: :gotpics:

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on April 11, 2009, 06:00:58 PM
Just got off the phone with Jim, who called me to say that my #59 LS-03R has arrived.  Setup information, payment, and many thanks were exchanged.  The guitar will be shipped on Monday hoping to arrive in Seattle by week's end.  

Looking forward to the little beauty...


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: morrow22 on April 11, 2009, 06:27:49 PM
My call from Jim today.  My guitar arrived at his shop to be set-up the first of the week -  #34.  Enjoyed the talk with Jim and look forward to my new guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Craigb156 on April 11, 2009, 06:56:04 PM
#50, wholoe hog arrived yesterday and I couldn't be more pleased. Lovely guitar. Obviously darker/deeper/more throaty than my 00-09, and almost as loud as my Guild d-40. Sweet. Just a perfect size, and I love the decay on the hog....


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 11, 2009, 06:58:38 PM
#50, whole hog arrived yesterday and I couldn't be more pleased. Lovely guitar. Obviously darker/deeper/more throaty than my 00-09, and almost as loud as my Guild d-40. Sweet. Just a perfect size, and I love the decay on the hog....
                       Is your 00-09 RW?

danny


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: gtrplayer on April 11, 2009, 09:19:32 PM
I got a call this afternoon from Jim Holler of Trinity Guitars.  He's received my Forum III and should be shipping it out to me on Monday.  Much thanks to Jim for all his efforts.    :+1:

So the countdown has begun! 

 


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: KY MOOSE on April 12, 2009, 04:28:49 PM
#35 now reporting in.   It arrived here with spring a few days ago & I took it straight away to Josh’s store to share the unveiling.  After my work week, I finally got some playing time in.  Thought y’all’d like an early look and report.

This guitar IS amazing!   :yawn  No really, keep reading! 

Mary (kaos) ordered a LVS MT too (looking forward to hear her appraisal).  There were only a few of these in the run.  While Mary's cut-away (the auspicious #108500), and another near flawless top were featured in the factory photos, mine remains unseen.  Until now...Meet Rusty James Donovan!


(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt2/rossmoosnick/Don2.jpg)

(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt2/rossmoosnick/Don.jpg)


This little dark one's got the shining! 
First to hit me (after seeing that top), was hearing the bass response and volume coming from this light weight wonder.  Nothing seems to be lost on the cut-away either.  As others have agreed, these little gits have got some growl.   Mine definitely has a "thicker/creamy" sound I would assume is coming from the Hog-top, across all the strings.  But alive with a bright shimmer that can kinda sound like a piano, or organ (like an L-03 standard can)...but part of that’s gotta be the bone saddle.  Thanks to Jim, the medium set-up seems just right & I’m diggin’ these strings.  Lets me play it light or crank it up.  This model can really handle a heavy hand too.  It can’t chug-a-lug quite like the D-Train, but has got unexpected power.  It seems best suited for the soloist though, and being part of the recording series, it lives up to that ideal.  The solid build that we knew was coming gives it spot-on intonation and built-in balance.  Have you heard Photomat’s recording?   Just great!  We can confirm that there’s no real worries when ordering a Larry sound unheard.
“Negatives?”...Maybe.  The High-E can sound quiet, but will chime out when hit with a nail or pick, and I haven’t decided whether hammer-ons may not be especially loud.  I guess this might be due to the lighter tension of the 12 fretter.  It sure is slinkier than I would have known.  I like it.  This is mostly heard in the low-E, requiring a little more attention when tuning, and can also give a funky slap if called upon.   Also, mine may have a phantom ringing from the G-string (gonna have Josh give a listen).   And, I too have a few very minor blemishes in the finish.  Just a couple tiny bubble/dust marks on the top that are already starting to smooth from playing.
That’s the first impressions.  Of course I’ve gotta show it off at Josh’s jam tonight.  Looking forward to hearing others play it too.  More thoughts and pictures at 11:00.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: johnny37 on April 12, 2009, 04:56:49 PM
Thats a very pretty all hog guitar you have there.   :nice guitar:  Too bad they put the cutaway on the wrong side! :humour:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on April 12, 2009, 05:17:06 PM
Ky..

WOW.  That guitar looks GREAT!.  I love the purfling on the hog top, and the cutaway really sets this one apart from the others.  I sure don't recall seeing any hog top cutaways on the tour.  You have a real looker!

Great photos, too. 






Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 12, 2009, 06:23:11 PM
Very, very nice. Perhaps the 1st string will come to life as it breaks in.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dotpitch on April 12, 2009, 06:40:59 PM
Nice lookin' Hog Top, Ky! Rusty seems like a fitting name, too.

The High-E can sound quiet, but will chime out when hit with a nail or pick, and I haven’t decided whether hammer-ons may not be especially loud.  I guess this might be due to the lighter tension of the 12 fretter.

I've seen a couple people comment on this (the string tension related to the guitar being a 12-fretter) and it leaves me scratching my head. These guitars are using Larrivee's standard scale length of 25.5", right? So the string tension on the FIII guitar and the 12th Fret Specials should be the same as the string tension on any D-03 or L-03. Maybe the smaller body combined with the shifted position of the neck puts us in a better playing position so that we don't have to use as much effort to press down on the strings?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: ronmac on April 12, 2009, 07:48:04 PM
Nothing to add (just thought I would make the 400th reply on this post), other than I am still envious.....  :cheers


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: kaos on April 12, 2009, 07:57:07 PM
Ky,

Your guitar is drop dead gorgeous.  I can only hope that mine looks half as good.  And I love the name.  Good for you, now make us a recording!

still waiting,
mary


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on April 12, 2009, 09:00:06 PM
I haven't noticed a reduced string tension (and not sure why there should be). I have noticed the somewhat quieter high 'E'. Like mentioned, it will ring out but seems to take a bit more attack to do so.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 12, 2009, 10:34:34 PM
Is it true that these don't carry the dread Cleartone strings?

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 12, 2009, 10:53:06 PM
Is it true that these don't carry the dread Cleartone strings?

holly

No, they came strung with D'Addario EXP Lights.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Dotneck on April 12, 2009, 11:25:01 PM
No, they came strung with D'Addario EXP Lights.

I'm having Jim put mediums on mine....

I'm also getting a hogtop cutaway. Soon.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Hogtop on April 12, 2009, 11:34:38 PM
Rusty is a beaut!!!   I want one of those also!!!!!!!! :nice guitar: :thumb :bowdown:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tjmangum on April 13, 2009, 12:29:41 AM
Here's #30
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/tjmangum/III3_4larry.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/tjmangum/IIIrearlarry.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/tjmangum/IIIcloseuplarry.jpg)

Great little fingerstyle guitar. Thanks to all for making it happen. Thanks Jim for all your efforts and a wonderful setup.
Cheers,
tj



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: pennerblue on April 13, 2009, 02:59:53 AM
Hey Moose, looks like a winner, beauty of a top.  Love the HB.

Dotpitch: I mentioned earlier that the strings seem slack at the point of attack/strum (being more toward the middle of the string length--i.e., further from the bridge)...but not at the fretting hand.  Also, it's strung with lights and I'm used to Meds.

I must admit however, I jammed for 4 hours Friday night and those Meds were killing me at the end of the night...I might be switching to M-Lights.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Stephen Basil on April 13, 2009, 03:12:53 AM
A couple of beautiful guitars added to the thread, I see.  I've never owned a mahogany guitar but I've tried many and have never been able to get the notes to bloom like they do with a rosewood.  The hog is certainly the definitive wood for the Forum III.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dotpitch on April 13, 2009, 03:52:23 AM
Dotpitch: I mentioned earlier that the strings seem slack at the point of attack/strum (being more toward the middle of the string length--i.e., further from the bridge)...but not at the fretting hand.  Also, it's strung with lights and I'm used to Meds.

Gotcha! I was thinking about that, too. On the subject of the picking hand being further away from the bridge, the one thing that I'm slightly worried about ('still haven't received my 12th Fret version) is that 2-3/16" bridge spacing. That's already a wee bit on the narrow side and with the bridge being shifted further back like it is, the spacing at the "typical" picking/strumming location is going to be that much tighter. I wish they'd gone with 2-5/16" at the nut.  :crying:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Craigb156 on April 13, 2009, 03:54:22 AM
                       Is your 00-09 RW?

danny

Yes it is. Nice guitar.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Safricanplayer on April 13, 2009, 03:58:57 AM
Great looking guitars guys :thumbsup

 ~ Ray ~


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on April 13, 2009, 01:01:09 PM
No, they came strung with D'Addario EXP Lights.

Are these the 80/20s or the PBs?

Thanks..  Only a few more days to wait for me!  (And several others, from the looks of it.)

Adam


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: aardvark on April 13, 2009, 04:31:29 PM
Just thought I would throw in some comments on this guitar, for the record.  This is for an IS top and hog body.  I saw mentioned that it takes a little more attack on the high E string, true, but also it does not ring out thin as some guitars do, and overall I find that a very good feature.  Bass response is much better than I had anticipated.  Being it is new it doesn't sound as "woody" as some guitars I own, in particular a Collings OM2H and Martin 00015.  On open tunings it sounds clear without being muddy, has good sustain, body size and shape are great, it is what I expected only better.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tjmangum on April 13, 2009, 05:16:03 PM
Just thought I would throw in some comments on this guitar, for the record.  This is for an IS top and hog body.  I saw mentioned that it takes a little more attack on the high E string, true, but also it does not ring out thin as some guitars do, and overall I find that a very good feature.  Bass response is much better than I had anticipated.  Being it is new it doesn't sound as "woody" as some guitars I own, in particular a Collings OM2H and Martin 00015.  On open tunings it sounds clear without being muddy, has good sustain, body size and shape are great, it is what I expected only better.
Ditto. Couldn't have said it better. I too think it will get a bit more "woody" with time. Could evolve into the perfect noodling on the couch fingerstyle guitar.
tj


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dazdarren on April 14, 2009, 07:46:44 AM
Here is my #60.  Thanks to everyone on the Forum who made this project happen.  Special thanks to Jim for handling all the details with Larrivee and for the great setup and installation of the clear pickguard.  I'm very happy with the sound and playability of this sweet guitar.  Very inspiring

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tjmangum on April 14, 2009, 01:57:11 PM
Very nice Dazdarren. Great looking top. Congrats!
tj


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: mrkillick on April 14, 2009, 06:41:24 PM
I thought that, as many of the others who have purchased the Forum III guitars are providing their reactions to their  new guitars, I would too. I was able to be part of the group that visited the Larrivee factory Some of us picked up our guitars at the same time. It was wonderful to meet and visit with everyone who came. What a friendly and enthusiastic bunch. On to the guitar. I got the IS/Hog version. It is a really nice guitar.  Attractive and a very comfortable size.  The two really noticeable  thing about this guitar are the tone and volume. As others have mentioned the bass response is strong. The guitar is also loud and projecting. The only negative for me, and this is a strictly personal thing. is the neck profile. It is rather squarish. I have an OM-03 with a much more rounded profile which I prefer. I think this guitar is good value and very special because of the Forum participation in its creation. It is important  though not to forget that this is a $1000 guitar. In contrast, yesterday I picked up a custom guitar I ordered from a local builder, Ted Thompson which is really in a different league. It's a $3500 guitar so I guess it isn't surprising that it would be better than a $1000 guitar. Beautiful woods, flawless construction and the well balanced  sound of a big guitar. The reason I mention it is that it is a 12 fret and the dimensions are almost exactly the same as the Forum III guitar. It is Thompson model T2X. This builder makes extraordinary guitars. Interestingly enough he worked with Jean Larrivee many years ago when he was learning his craft. His output now is only about two guitars a month and what he produces is superb. I draw this contrast to put our enthusiasm in perspective. I think that in the Forum III guitar we have a very nice guitar for the money which is a pleasure to own and play. but there are better guitars out there in higher price ranges.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on April 14, 2009, 07:05:15 PM
I draw this contrast to put our enthusiasm in perspective. I think that in the Forum III guitar we have a very nice guitar for the money which is a pleasure to own and play. but there are better guitars out there in higher price ranges.


I'd say that sums up Larrivee in general.  Fantastic guitars for the money at the low-mid price points.  But if I'm buying a $3000 guitar, it's not going to be a Larrivee...

That said, I'm very much looking forward to my $1000 Larrivee, which arrives tomorrow.  :)

Adam


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: pennerblue on April 14, 2009, 11:06:20 PM
The two really noticeable  thing about this guitar are the tone and volume. As others have mentioned the bass response is strong. The guitar is also loud and projecting.  I have an OM-03 with a much more rounded profile which I prefer.

There's a lot of "buzz" here about bass response of the FIIIs, but not many direct comparisons.

Is your FIII bass response significantly greater than on your OM? 

I played an OM-03 (both sapelle and RW) yesterday at a local shop and was surprised how much more bass I get out of the similarly sized all-hog FIII...


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: mrkillick on April 14, 2009, 11:15:02 PM
Is your FIII bass response significantly greater than on your OM?

Yes, the comparison I was making was with my OM. Much more bass response from the FIII.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: gtrplayer on April 14, 2009, 11:22:46 PM
  Hmmmm...it seems like the enthusiasm and accolades for the Forum III may be on the wane.  Mine is due for tomorrow's delivery.  I liked it so much better when everyone was oooing an ahhhhing.    :bgrin:
  We'll see how it compares to the Traditional Larrivees (00-50, 000-50, 0M-50) and depending on results someone's going on the FS block

gtrplayer


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Safricanplayer on April 15, 2009, 01:13:05 AM
 Hmmmm...it seems like the enthusiasm and accolades for the Forum III may be on the wane.  Mine is due for tomorrow's delivery.  I liked it so much better when everyone was oooing an ahhhhing.    :bgrin:
  We'll see how it compares to the Traditional Larrivees (00-50, 000-50, 0M-50) and depending on results someone's going on the FS block

gtrplayer
I don't believe the accolades are waning :winkin: I think everybody is just too busy enjoying playing these great little guitars.  :nana_guitar I look forward to your review.... Probability suggests that at some point, someone is going to not be as enamored with their Forum III as the majority have to date. That said, I know there are a lot of happy players out there :winkin:

 ~ Ray ~
   
 


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: morrow22 on April 15, 2009, 01:26:37 AM
gtrplayer- I have not lost my enthusiasm for the FIII, especially since my guitar may be on the same fed-ex truck as yours. I got my fed-ex tracker today, should be here in a couple of days.  And from everyone's initial positive responses, I just cannot wait. 


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 15, 2009, 01:39:26 AM
Gonna say that I'm on the same boat as Danny. I really don't see the need to spend big bucks on a guitar now. I love Bella SO much and hate to admit that I think she outshines Holly (PV-09E) by a long run.  :cheers


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on April 15, 2009, 01:50:06 AM
The only negative for me, and this is a strictly personal thing. is the neck profile. It is rather squarish. I have an OM-03 with a much more rounded profile which I prefer.

I am intrigued to read that - I also feel the neck on mine is just a bit more squarish than any other Larrivee neck I have. Not that it is a big negative, but I do prefer a rounder or more C shaped neck as well. I wonder if the neck sander was a little over-taxed with this order?

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Stephen Basil on April 15, 2009, 02:03:41 AM
I find that the neck feel on my FG III is great and the fingerboard as a result very maneuverable.  It's extremely comfortable and the sound is bliss.... gotta go back to playing now.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on April 15, 2009, 03:17:21 AM
#50, wholoe hog arrived yesterday and I couldn't be more pleased. Lovely guitar. Obviously darker/deeper/more throaty than my 00-09, and almost as loud as my Guild d-40. Sweet. Just a perfect size, and I love the decay on the hog....

Hey Craig and Prf Stack, after Prof Stack gets his guitar, we should all get together somewhere around here since we each have a different version.

Congrats on getting your whole hog.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on April 15, 2009, 03:50:21 AM
Hey Craig and Prof Stack, after Prof Stack gets his guitar, we should all get together somewhere around here since we each have a different version.

Sounds good to me.  Mine is due on Friday.  It would be great to play the other versions, too!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on April 15, 2009, 04:07:41 AM
... On to the guitar. I got the IS/Hog version. It is a really nice guitar.  Attractive and a very comfortable size.  The two really noticeable  thing about this guitar are the tone and volume. As others have mentioned the bass response is strong. The guitar is also loud and projecting. ... It is important, though, not to forget that this is a $1000 guitar.  In contrast, yesterday I picked up a custom guitar I ordered from a local builder, Ted Thompson which is really in a different league. It's a $3500 guitar so I guess it isn't surprising that it would be better than a $1000 guitar.  Beautiful woods, flawless construction and the well balanced  sound of a big guitar. The reason I mention it is that it is a 12 fret and the dimensions are almost exactly the same as the Forum III guitar. It is Thompson model T2X. This builder makes extraordinary guitars. Interestingly enough he worked with Jean Larrivee many years ago when he was learning his craft. His output now is only about two guitars a month and what he produces is superb. I draw this contrast to put our enthusiasm in perspective.  I think that in the Forum III guitar we have a very nice guitar for the money which is a pleasure to own and play.  But there are better guitars out there in higher price ranges.

"I think that in the Forum III guitar we have a very nice guitar for the money which is a pleasure to own and play."  I agree with your comments, but struck out three words.  I own a Martin D-18GE which is an incredible sounding guitar, one that pushed the SD-50 and 000-15S out of the house.  It also cost over twice what I paid for the FIII.  But it, like every other guitar out there, is not the perfect be-all-end-all guitar.

I also have a '74 dread with EIR that is incredible, even with year-old strings on it!  (I'm lazy that way.) 

But the guitar I took on the road this weekend was an old (Harmony or Stella) parlor worth very little but with an old-wood smoothness of sound (it is a 12-fret, btw) that is just amazing. 

I'm sure your Ted Thompson is a really special guitar that you'll keep and treasure and play for many years.  Perhaps it will be an heirloom like my '74 LoPrinzi and Martin will likely be. 

So, for many reasons, the FIII is a very special guitar and for some the best sounding guitar they will ever own.  I'm sure looking forward to this Friday.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 15, 2009, 04:37:06 AM
There's a lot of "buzz" here about bass response of the FIIIs, but not many direct comparisons.

Is your FIII bass response significantly greater than on your OM? 

I played an OM-03 (both sapelle and RW) yesterday at a local shop and was surprised how much more bass I get out of the similarly sized all-hog FIII...



Well, having lived with my all-hog F-III for almost a couple of weeks now and therefore had a chance to do some comparisons, I would say that the bass response is similiar to that of my OMV-09, and somewhat less than my old L19. Very respectable for the size of the guitar.

The biggest difference I've noticed is in the sustain: if I hit an open chord and let it ring, it is the middle of the chord that sustains best and the overtones from those notes which dominate, as opposed to the OMV-09 in which the treble side seems to dominate. This would be consistent with the tonewood frequency response chart someone posted awhile back, I'd admit to the possibility of suggestivity bias except that my observations have been fairly consistent before and after seeing said chart.

My initial impression of an overall softer, rounder sound has been consistently confirmed, this guitar is not as bright-sounding as any of the rosewood/spruce guitars I own or have played, and that's just fine. I was hoping for something different, and got it. Shoulda gone for the cutaway though.

Cheers, Mike



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Safricanplayer on April 15, 2009, 05:21:28 AM
I think this guitar is good value and very special because of the Forum participation in its creation. It is important  though not to forget that this is a $1000 guitar. In contrast, yesterday I picked up a custom guitar I ordered from a local builder, Ted Thompson which is really in a different league. It's a $3500 guitar so I guess it isn't surprising that it would be better than a $1000 guitar. Beautiful woods, flawless construction and the well balanced  sound of a big guitar. The reason I mention it is that it is a 12 fret and the dimensions are almost exactly the same as the Forum III guitar. It is Thompson model T2X. This builder makes extraordinary guitars. Interestingly enough he worked with Jean Larrivee many years ago when he was learning his craft. His output now is only about two guitars a month and what he produces is superb. I draw this contrast to put our enthusiasm in perspective. I think that in the Forum III guitar we have a very nice guitar for the money which is a pleasure to own and play. but there are better guitars out there in higher price ranges.

Your point is very well taken. Ted Thompson builds some wonderful guitars, as you would expect, at the price point. IMHO, it is simply unreasonable to expect that a factory built guitar that passes thru the hands of workers at various stations along the production line can compare to a custom build where one luthier takes the time to tap test the tops, hand select the B&S, hand sculpt the bracing and ultimately tweak the guitar for maximum tone and responsiveness. That is not to say that every luthier is successful in their endeavor, but the good ones really are. Ted Thompson is not building approximately 2 guitars a month because he goes fishing 4 days a week :blush: His limited production is due to the extraordinary amount of time and detail that is required to build a truly world class guitar.

That said, for many, the Forum III is as close to a semi custom build as they will experience, and when you add up the joy of the journey coupled with the the end product, I feel it's a very appealing and compelling value :winkin: 

 ~ Ray ~



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on April 15, 2009, 08:03:30 AM
OK....I'm a little slow sometimes, so help me out here. I'm not exactly sure what the importance is of remembering that 'it's just a $1000 guitar'. Is there a benefit to that which I am missing?   :? If it's important, then I should probably know about it because I don't want to blow it or anything. 


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: iDavid on April 15, 2009, 10:16:18 AM
I am intrigued to read that - I also feel the neck on mine is just a bit more squarish than any other Larrivee neck I have. Not that it is a big negative, but I do prefer a rounder or more C shaped neck as well. I wonder if the neck sander was a little over-taxed with this order?

Tad

could that be so?

I am still waiting in Japan, so I haven't played mine yet.

I hope its not too too square necked

david


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 15, 2009, 10:22:35 AM
I am still waiting in Japan, so I haven't played mine yet.

You any idea how long it is gonna be?  I thought mine was taking ages, but it looks like Friday will be the day for me.  I feel your waiting pain!!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Dotneck on April 15, 2009, 10:50:14 AM
OK....I'm a little slow sometimes, so help me out here. I'm not exactly sure what the importance is of remembering that 'it's just a $1000 guitar'. Is there a benefit to that which I am missing?   :? If it's important, then I should probably know about it because I don't want to blow it or anything. 

Nah...it doesn't matter. It is what it is. If you're happy....you're happy and that's all that matters.

I'm one of those guys who thinks the Larrivees are great at their price point. Some here think they are as good as $5000 guitars...and some get their knickers in knots when somebody says they are a good buy for the money. I just know that if this guitar was $4500 or even $3500 I wouldn't be getting one. And if I WAS going to buy a guitar at that price point...I bet it wouldn't be this guitar...because there would be a lot more that choices tickle my fancy at that price point.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 15, 2009, 11:16:18 AM
I think the discussion is a bit irrelevent. We were keen when we specced out the guitar that it was to be affordable.  I isn't trying to be a $3500 guitar, so why compare it to one?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on April 15, 2009, 12:02:15 PM
Maybe I'm just stupid.  I don't at all appreciate the tonal differences between a $3500 guitar and a $1000 guitar.  Sure, I understand the additional cost of labor to build a $3500 guitar, I just don't appreciate the sound differences that are supposed to be "subjectively better".


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: iDavid on April 15, 2009, 12:07:57 PM
You any idea how long it is gonna be?  I thought mine was taking ages, but it looks like Friday will be the day for me.  I feel your waiting pain!!


between one to six weeks

my guess is two more

and

the right guitar is the right guitar regardless of what is cost. My problem is if it cost too much I don't feel comfortable playing it. 

On the other hand, maybe just on great (ala expensive) guitar is be the ticket



david


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Dotneck on April 15, 2009, 12:26:34 PM
the right guitar is the right guitar regardless of what is cost. My problem is if it cost too much I don't feel comfortable playing it. 
On the other hand, maybe just on great (ala expensive) guitar is be the ticket

I don't mind playing more expensive guitars...its just that my playing doesn't warrant it. But I keep ending up with three or four guitars in the $1000-1500 range...and if I could get down to one guitar....it could be spectacular. And have less storage/maintanence issues. (For example, I hate changing strings...)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Dotneck on April 15, 2009, 12:27:56 PM
I think the discussion is a bit irrelevent. We were keen when we specced out the guitar that it was to be affordable.  I isn't trying to be a $3500 guitar, so why compare it to one?

Sorry.....we're just chatting...


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 15, 2009, 12:30:07 PM
Sorry.....we're just chatting...

So was I, didn't mean to cause offence.  Badly worded post by Ben again.  sorry.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Dotneck on April 15, 2009, 12:32:44 PM
Maybe I'm just stupid.  I don't at all appreciate the tonal differences between a $3500 guitar and a $1000 guitar.  Sure, I understand the additional cost of labor to build a $3500 guitar, I just don't appreciate the sound differences that are supposed to be "subjectively better".

They certainly don't sound any better when I'm playing them...one of the reasons I don't have any in that price range....but I still gas when I see some of the guitars...check out the portfolio of small builders at Dream Guitars. Some of those guys are beautiful. This one is by Kathy Wingert and can be yours for $10,500!

(http://www.dreamguitars.com/preowned/wingert/wingert_evc_0604_bi4/images/heel.jpg)

(http://www.dreamguitars.com/preowned/wingert/wingert_evc_0604_bi4/images/front.jpg)



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Stephen Basil on April 15, 2009, 12:54:56 PM
Look at all that abalone.... pure pollution!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Dotneck on April 15, 2009, 01:54:45 PM
Look at all that abalone.... pure pollution!

LOL!!


 :roll


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on April 15, 2009, 02:02:11 PM
could that be so?

I am still waiting in Japan, so I haven't played mine yet.

I hope its not too too square necked

david

Don't worry - it is not squarish, we just noted that ours feel a bit more squarish than other Larrivee necks. Nothing to be concerned about, you will be very happy -

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on April 15, 2009, 02:16:47 PM
They certainly don't sound any better when I'm playing them...one of the reasons I don't have any in that price range....but I still gas when I see some of the guitars...check out the portfolio of small builders at Dream Guitars. Some of those guys are beautiful. This one is by Kathy Wingert and can be yours for $10,500!

(http://www.dreamguitars.com/preowned/wingert/wingert_evc_0604_bi4/images/heel.jpg)

(http://www.dreamguitars.com/preowned/wingert/wingert_evc_0604_bi4/images/front.jpg)



It doesn't look like a $10,000 dollar guitar. Do people buy guitars like this on-line without playing them first?
edit.  I guess that is a silly question, people order guitars like this to be built and wait years to get them.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 15, 2009, 02:24:14 PM
I think it's the perceived exclusivity. Or the real exclusivity, rather. Everything has a price point. Past that and it just gets silly. It's a product, like a handmade pair of shoes or a good haircut or whatever. At some point it can't get any better, it just develops a mystique.

I do wonder why anyone would put abalone on an expensive guitar. Ok, I don't like it on any guitars, but there are so many other wonderful materials. Like the incredible wood rosettes out there. Abalone just strikes me as so pedestrian. I've seen H&D Black Wlanut guitars that I would consider worth thousands, not so much this one, it looks mainstream. No offense intended.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Dotneck on April 15, 2009, 03:51:29 PM
I do wonder why anyone would put abalone on an expensive guitar.

Probably 'cause its pretty...

Here's one you may like more...an eichelbaum for $6995.  No abalone and Madagascar RW/German instead of Brazillion.

(http://www.dreamguitars.com/preowned/eichelbaum/eichelbaum_traditional_om_seim06163/images/front.jpg)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Dotneck on April 15, 2009, 04:00:17 PM
It doesn't look like a $10,000 dollar guitar. Do people buy guitars like this on-line without playing them first?
edit.  I guess that is a silly question, people order guitars like this to be built and wait years to get them.

I certainly don't have any experience with them...but most of these builders are booked years in advance. They play one of her guitars...pine over it for a while and then order one and wait two, three or five years to get their hands on it.  If you want to see one for sale you go to one of the big shows like Healdsburg where many builders will show their work...or you go to a handful of dealers who may or may not have on in stock.

There must be something there if people are spending that kind of money. It sure can't be to impress somebody (at least not in my neighborhood). Heck, nobody I know even knows who Larrivee is....much less impressed with them. Who would I impress with a MORE exclusive guitar? Guys on the internets?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 15, 2009, 04:14:00 PM
Probably 'cause its pretty...

Here's one you may like more...an eichelbaum for $6995.  No abalone and Madagascar RW/German instead of Brazillion.

(http://www.dreamguitars.com/preowned/eichelbaum/eichelbaum_traditional_om_seim06163/images/front.jpg)

Wow. See, that to me looks expensive. I suppose at the end of the day everyone thinks whatever anyhow. I think part of my heel digging is that I just couldn't spend that much. Even if some relative I never heard of left me a gajillion dollars I think $4000 for a custom is as high as I could go and that would make me throw up a little.

I don't begrudge folks that spend that kind of cash but it's just not something I could do. I'd feel guilty everytime I picked it up, if I worked up enough nerve to do so in the first place. Maybe in years when I can play for 'real' but I don't think so. But if it's your passion and dedication, I can see it.

My spinning wheel cost about $1000 and I had no issue with that. It's hand made, it's a tool. I think you should buy the best tools you can afford and I suppose guitars fall under that catagory. I guess with me it's (well it IS what I can/could afford) also what I can justify. It wouldnt' make me feel good. I supose given my reality, that's a good thing,lol.

As for abalone, I don't know it's just so common. One of the things that attracted me to Larrivee is that they still aren't. I'd want my custom to look custom, not like everyone else's at whatever price range. *sigh* Did I mention the H&D Black Walnut....

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Dotneck on April 15, 2009, 04:40:27 PM
I don't begrudge folks that spend that kind of cash but it's just not something I could do.

Me too....that's not my world...but I like to peek in once in a while.

Did I mention the H&D Black Walnut....

I had a serious H&D thing going on too....but couldn't spend that much either (also I didn't have that much).

I guess what drives me crazy is people having a Larry 03 and saying its as good as any other $5000 guitar out there. I have trouble parsing that comment. Now tell me that you like it as much as any $5000 guitar and I can buy that...that's a horse of a different color...


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Dotneck on April 15, 2009, 05:03:14 PM
Not sure if you've been paying attention or not...but the discussion took a turn on the last page when one of the guys compared his forum III to his Ted Turner guitar.

       
 I just don't get the posts I'm seeing lately, are we really supposed to just acquiesce to all this barf.                              


Sorry you don't get it...but you don't have to acquiesce....you can participate or not. 


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on April 15, 2009, 08:12:10 PM

I guess what drives me crazy is people having a Larry 03 and saying its as good as any other $5000 guitar out there. I have trouble parsing that comment. Now tell me that you like it as much as any $5000 guitar and I can buy that...that's a horse of a different color...

I understand what you're saying and agree to an extent, but I think you're setting up a bit of a straw man there.  While some are naturally excited about their new FIIIs, I don't think I've seen anyone come out and say that it's definitively as good as any $5000 guitar.   

I do agree with those that say that there's a point of diminishing returns with sound vs price.  At some point it reaches only differences in aesthetics or "mystique," as someone put it.  For the FIII, I think some of the mystique is the fact that it's a somewhat rare guitar that was designed by this group.  That's pretty cool and adds perceived value.  It also adds "sentimentality," as can be seen on these boards.   :bgrin:

My FIII arrived today and is waiting at home for me.  Looking forward to playing it for the first time later, but I'm strangely less excited than I thought I'd be.  Maybe four months of waiting brought it down to earth for me.  That's fine.  I think the amount of them produced also took some of the excitement off.  I had it in my mind that this was just going to be a really rare run - less than 30 or so.  78 numbered plus several extras plus the very similar 12th-Fret guitar makes it close to just another regular line guitar.   That's also fine, but makes it less special to me.  It was great to see all of the pics but it's almost like, in the words of Mike Meyers (Wayne's World,) "these were issued to everyone in the mail with samples of Tide."   Maybe that's good - I'll evaluate it on its merits and not on an emotional high.

Now that I've wandered aimlessly through a variety of topics, I'll go home and check out this new guitar.  :)

Adam


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on April 15, 2009, 08:47:52 PM
As far as the Forum III necks go, I've got a 2008 L-03 and a 2006 OM-03 here to compare it to. It does seem slightly more squarish at the edges, but it's almost imperceptible and maybe my imagination. As for feel, I guess because the reach is different, but it almost feels like I'm playing a narrower nut width. For me, it seems easier to fret and even reach my thumb around.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Safricanplayer on April 16, 2009, 12:24:59 AM
Probably 'cause its pretty...

Here's one you may like more...an eichelbaum for $6995.  No abalone and Madagascar RW/German instead of Brazillion.

(http://www.dreamguitars.com/preowned/eichelbaum/eichelbaum_traditional_om_seim06163/images/front.jpg)

As the owner if an Eichelbaum, I can tell you that they are IMHO, amazing instruments. Whether you deem them worth the price or not, is your call, but I can tell you that they are in a totally different league (as they should be) to any new $1000 guitar I've ever played. Higher end guitars are generally not priced where they are, because they've simply somehow developed a mystique about them. They are priced at levels that 'usually' justify the quality, and most importantly, the sound of the instrument.  Since the time I purchased my Mcknight, Tim's base price has increased $1500. My Mcknight today would cost me over $2K more than I paid for it. The only reason Tim's been able to justify the price increase and still maintain an 18 month waiting list, is the fact (borne out by this wait list) that a number of players feel his guitars are worth the price, even at today's levels, when compared to his competitors. The notion that more expensive guitars have somehow pulled the wool over players ears, and folks are typically buying them for there image or mystique, is naive at best.

All that said, there are builders out there commanding prices for their instruments that "to my ears" are not worth the upcharge. There is definately a point of diminishing returns, and every player will need to determine what this point is.

If you believe the Forum III is the best guitar you've ever played, you'd be a fool to spend more money on another guitar :winkin: They are wonderful guitars (for the money) and as someone who purchased 2 Forum III's (still waiting on the All Hog!!) I find nothing offensive in the idea that my Forum III is not the equal of my Goodall, Eichelbaum or Mcknight.

The original intent (as best I can determine) was exceeded in the build of the Forum III's and this enough is cause for celebration :nana_guitar

 ~ Ray ~




Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Dotneck on April 16, 2009, 12:27:19 AM
I do agree with those that say that there's a point of diminishing returns with sound vs price.  At some point it reaches only differences in aesthetics or "mystique," as someone put it. 

Yes, I agree with the diminishing returns....after all...is a 10K guitar 10x as good as a $1000? Doubt it. they sure are pretty though. Someday I'll get to try some and see what all the fuss is about...until then..I dream and live in my own world.

My FIII arrived today and is waiting at home for me.  Looking forward to playing it for the first time later, but I'm strangely less excited than I thought I'd be.  Maybe four months of waiting brought it down to earth for me.  That's fine.  I think the amount of them produced also took some of the excitement off.  I had it in my mind that this was just going to be a really rare run - less than 30 or so.  78 numbered plus several extras plus the very similar 12th-Fret guitar makes it close to just another regular line guitar.   That's also fine, but makes it less special to me.  It was great to see all of the pics but it's almost like, in the words of Mike Meyers (Wayne's World,) "these were issued to everyone in the mail with samples of Tide."   Maybe that's good - I'll evaluate it on its merits and not on an emotional high.

Interesting thought about the sample size. They aren't very exclusive....but I have a Forum I in whch the run is about 17 pieces. I've got a secret for you. It doesn't play or sound any better because there are fewer of them out there. But it does stand on its own. And it will be fun to compare to the Forum III.

Talked to Jim H today. My forum III is ready. I'm having him hold it and not ship until Monday...I'm going to be out of the office a lot over the next couple days and I don't want to miss the delivery. So I'll probably have mine towards Wednesday of next week...


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 16, 2009, 12:27:25 AM
Ray,

I don't beleive you. I think it's only fair and just that you send the guitar to me post haste to prove your point.

holly (who has been staring at the pic for like two minutes)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Dotneck on April 16, 2009, 12:30:53 AM
As the owner if an Eichelbaum, I can tell you that they are IMHO, amazing instruments. Whether you deem them worth the price or not, is your call, but I can tell you that they are in a totally different league (as they should be) to any new $1000 guitar I've ever played. Higher end guitars are generally not priced where they are, because they've simply somehow developed a mystique about them. They are priced at levels that 'usually' justify the quality, and most importantly, the sound of the instrument. 

If you believe the Forum III is the best guitar you've ever played, you'd be a fool to spend more money on another guitar :winkin: They are wonderful guitars (for the money) and as someone who purchased 2 Forum III's (still waiting on the All Hog!!) I find nothing offensive in the idea that my Forum III is not the equal of my Goodall, Eichelbaum or Mcknight.

Sounds like you have a great set of guitars...good for you!

And thanks for confirming that I'm not crazy....

 :whistling:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Safricanplayer on April 16, 2009, 12:33:17 AM
Ray,

I don't beleive you. I think it's only fair and just that you send the guitar to me post haste to prove your point.

holly (who has been staring at the pic for like two minutes)
Holly,

If you're ever in my neck of the woods, it would be my pleasure to have you spend as much time as you'd like with any of my guitars :cheers

I think you'd leave a believer :winkin:

  ~ Ray ~


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on April 16, 2009, 02:06:14 PM

Interesting thought about the sample size. They aren't very exclusive....but I have a Forum I in whch the run is about 17 pieces. I've got a secret for you. It doesn't play or sound any better because there are fewer of them out there.


You're absolutely right, but the rarity was going to be one of the selling points for me versus, say, buying a higher-end used guitar for the same price.  It's all good...

So I got the guitar yesterday!  Spruce/Hog with a cutaway.  I was struck right away by how light it is.  The top is considerably whiter than my L-03R, which was to be expected.  I did find a flaw towards the bottom of the rosette - a black mark that looks like it was possibly part of the inlay process.  No matter.

It's going to take me a few more days to evaluate it.  I generally don't like the sound of brand-new strings, and this was no exception.  I feel like I'm hearing the metallic strings rather than the, ummm, "woody" wood at this point.  A few things did jump out at me.  The size of the guitar is great - it fits in my lap better than the L-03R even though I'm a tall guy.  It seems to play a little smoother than the L-03R, as well.   Fingerstyle blues licks seems to come out a little clearer.  That may be the setup, but regardless I like that aspect of it.  I'm very glad I got the cutaway.  Already I've found myself needing the extra frets, and I love how it looks.  The non-cutaway version would have looked too much like a slightly smaller version of my L-03R (though with Hog instead of RW, of course.)

I'm really impressed with the bass from this guitar.  Actually, it may be more than I was looking for.  The L-03R fingerpicks well, but the bass can overpower the mids and trebels easily if I'm not careful.  I'm finding the same thing with the F-III.  I'm still trying to determine if the EXP strings are the 80/20s or the PBs.  If they're the PBs, I'll likely switch to the 80/20s for a little added brightness. 

The thing strums and flatpicks extremely well, which surprised me a little.  That said, I'm finding that the clarity of some chord progressions is better on my L-03R than the F-III at this point.  That could be a lot of things - the PB strings, the fact that I'm not used to coated strings or the fact that the F-III has only been played an hour or so and hasn't settled in.  Jury's still out on that.  I'd really like to try some D'Addario uncoated 80/20s on it.

More impressions, including pics, to come!

Thanks to all who made this happen. 

Adam


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: highervista on April 16, 2009, 03:19:53 PM
#22 arrived yesterday. Excellent set-up. Played it for about 2 hours... excellent sound and very light weight!  I've attached a few photos (BTW, the wires inside are for an iMix that I had installed.... battery cable is not yet connected).

Very nice instrument and very very resonant!

Ron

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 16, 2009, 05:52:29 PM
After a typical carry on with customs, I finally managed to find a decent person at parcelforce who fastracked customs payments,and made arrangements for me to go and collect my forum III #5 from the depot.  I have only managed to play it for about 5 minutes - it has been one of those days.  Full report on sound and feel later on.  Here are some teaser pics.  I'll do some better ones in due course.  Sorry if you are getting fed up of pics, but I am excited about this guitar.

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 16, 2009, 05:53:57 PM
2 more - the top and back are fantastic looking, but the sides look like flames, bright red and orange stripes - it is quite striking!

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Stephen Basil on April 16, 2009, 05:56:30 PM
Ben, your guitar looks fantastic... Keep the visuals coming!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on April 16, 2009, 06:14:47 PM
#22 arrived yesterday. Excellent set-up. Played it for about 2 hours... excellent sound and very light weight!  I've attached a few photos (BTW, the wires inside are for an iMix that I had installed.... battery cable is not yet connected).

Very nice instrument and very very resonant!

Ron

Hey - that's the virtual twin of my #26.  Only difference is yours has the HB purfling. 

 :nice guitar:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: vates on April 16, 2009, 06:31:20 PM
Ben, your guitar is just gorgeous...

Can't wait for mine IS/RW


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 16, 2009, 06:40:53 PM
Ben, that RW is the most striking I've seen yet. WOW.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on April 16, 2009, 06:55:11 PM
Ben,

Congratulations!  Man that guitar looks great.  So much different than the unfinished state it was in during the tour.  I love the sides. 

Glad you got it!  Enjoy!!!! and thanks for sharing the photos.  Never enough photos of guitars!



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: highervista on April 16, 2009, 07:03:57 PM
A few more pics of #22....
BTW.... great sounding instrument!!!
Ron

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 16, 2009, 07:04:12 PM
#22 arrived yesterday. Excellent set-up. Played it for about 2 hours... excellent sound and very light weight!  I've attached a few photos (BTW, the wires inside are for an iMix that I had installed.... battery cable is not yet connected).

Very nice instrument and very very resonant!

Ron

 :nice guitar: :nice guitar:

I'm loving the cutaway and HB combo.  BEAUTIFUL!!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 16, 2009, 07:17:24 PM
Ben, I am so thrilled for you. See, I told you that you had nothing to worry about! By the way, where's my email?  :humour:



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on April 16, 2009, 08:01:27 PM
Ron (HigherVista)

I love the looks of your guitar, and the cutaway with the HB purfling looks great.  After you get going, I would love to hear an example of that guitar with the Imix.  I had Jim put in just the iBeam, and I am getting that dialed in.

Congrats and thanks for posting the photos.  I would love to hear more sound samples of these Forum III's

Enjoy!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 16, 2009, 08:08:57 PM
Well, I've had a wee while to enjoy my forum III at last.  Been a hectic day, and I feel rotton with a bug of some kind.  I have two days holiday today and tomorrow - typical to feel rotton on your day off!!  The 130 mile round trip to the depot at about 90mph made me feel a whole lot worse too, but better than waiting until monday for delivery!!


First impressions were slightly odd.  The neck is a bit chunkier than my OM-03, and the shape of the 12 fret was a little strange (never even played one before!).  An hour of playing though and it just feels great.  Jim has done a great job with the setup - plays really easily.  The volume IS amazing, as others have said.  It defies the size of the guitar.  Bass is much stronger than my OM-03, and the warmth from strumming is great.  Some have said these are great for fingerstyle, and others say they need to be strummed because it sounds so good.  The compromise here is probably my typical style of picking and strumming with fingers and no pick.  It seems to be made for playing like that.

Anyone else who is waiting for an IS/RW forum III (Vates - and others) is in for a treat!

I give it a resounding  :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut

Jim, thanks for the hat, it is smart.  Pity I look like an idiot in a hat, but it is a really really smart hat.  Thank you also for going the extra mile (no pun intended) and agreeing to including overseas orders.  Thanks Matt for the picks, they are a great touch and it was very generous of you to do them.

I have run out of daylight here, but will try and take some good pics tomorrow.  I had the wrong lens on my camera earlier, and had no time to change it.

 :guitar

Thanks to everyone who helped make this happen.  I am sure you appreciate that it is pretty special for me, being the only one in the UK to order one (I think??). :cheers


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on April 16, 2009, 08:17:58 PM
You know, back when the factory tour was being planned we talked about posting photos of ourselves and our guitars as a way to grow camaraderie.
Aside from a rare few group photos and one or two owners I don't recall seeing many "OURSELVES."

My LS-03 isn't here yet so I can ask ... who's going to be the next "ourselves" poster?

Norman


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 16, 2009, 08:35:32 PM
If you say so Norman - my wife takes better pics than me.

Please note that i do not posess a furry tail, I am sitting next to a cat.  I am playing 'Tequila Sunrise' by the way - it's the perfect gently strummed song for this guitar.

And Lynda - thank you - you know why!! :bgrin:

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on April 16, 2009, 08:44:28 PM
Alright, Ben!

I already thought of you as a friend ... now I have a face to place.

Norman


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 16, 2009, 10:41:50 PM
Ben, you look as affable and sincere as I imagine you to be. Which, you know, is very.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 16, 2009, 10:52:15 PM
Ben, you are very welcome, and you know why! :nice guitar:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 16, 2009, 10:53:35 PM
I don't know why. But I'm glad the two of you are happpy. Hey, is it true that the guitars don't come with Cleartones? That would be swell.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 16, 2009, 11:02:48 PM
No Cleartones. They were strung with Daddario EXPs


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 16, 2009, 11:17:53 PM
No Cleartones. They were strung with Daddario EXPs

I have to say, I am liking the strings a lot.  Quite noisy to slide up and down them, but better than I expected.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Denis on April 16, 2009, 11:27:21 PM
Well, they record well!

I put up a new tune called That Face:

myspace.com/denisturbide

I recorded it with my FIII...WOW, I love this guitar!  I'm so happy that I decided to join the Forum III club.  They should make these guitars all the time.  

I hope you like the tune.      


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: L-fan on April 16, 2009, 11:57:48 PM
Great new tune Denis.  You've made the FIII sound great. 
How can I get mine to sound that good?  Oh yeah, years and years of faithful practice.  :crying:

Thanks for sharing that and providing such a great FIII sample.   


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 16, 2009, 11:58:58 PM
Denis, what a great song. Yup, sounds like an FIII  :nice guitar:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on April 16, 2009, 11:59:40 PM
Is it here yet?  My LS-03R arrived in Portland, OR, a half-hour ago and will be headed up Interstate 5 tonight and to its new Seattle home tomorrow.  Good thing I have tomorrow off so I can sit and wait for the FedEx truck.

Gonna be a long night...


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 17, 2009, 12:10:30 AM
Is it here yet?  My LS-03R arrived in Portland, OR, a half-hour ago and will be headed up Interstate 5 tonight and to its new Seattle home tomorrow.  Good thing I have tomorrow off so I can sit and wait for the FedEx truck.

Gonna be a long night...

Try and get some sleep, however, I know how hard that will be. :smile:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 17, 2009, 12:59:22 AM
Ben, honey, you aren't supposed to slide up and down the strings, you are supposed to play the guitar. 

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on April 17, 2009, 01:17:19 AM
No Cleartones. They were strung with Daddario EXPs

Anyone know if they're 80/20s or PBs?  Yes, they're definitely coated EXPs, but the type of string makes a significant difference. 

They're PBs to my ear and touch, but I want to confirm.

Thanks..

Adam


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: gtrplayer on April 17, 2009, 01:31:49 AM
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Posted by: Denis
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Well, they record well!

I put up a new tune called That Face:

myspace.com/denisturbide

I recorded it with my FIII...WOW, I love this guitar!  I'm so happy that I decided to join the Forum III club.  They should make these guitars all the time. 

I hope you like the tune.     

Nice tune Denis!!!    No doubt about it, that Forum III sings in your hands. 





Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: satch on April 17, 2009, 02:45:54 AM
No. 20 is in the house. Wow is all I can say.

Really nice silking and bear claw on the top. Clear and evenly balanced sound. To my ears, this is a fairly loud guitar.

Way to go Forum. :laughin:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dazdarren on April 17, 2009, 03:10:36 AM
Denis...I love the song.  Sounds great.  You are very talented.  Keep playing man!!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 17, 2009, 07:01:01 AM
Great track Denis - the forum III sounds great on it!!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on April 17, 2009, 12:45:58 PM
To my ears, this is a fairly loud guitar.


You're not alone.  My wife went back to the bedroom last night, not feeling well, while I played the F-III in the living room. When I went back there an hour later, she sleepily said "your new guitar is much louder than your old guitar." 

The old one is the bigger L-03R.  I'm assuming the increased treble and midrange translates into a more "focused" sound that may go through walls more efficiently.  I'm sure she's thrilled.  :)  I doubt it would be "louder" if you did a real test on it, but it may come off that way.

As far as the strings go, apparently no one can tell me whether they're 80/20s or PBs.  That's pretty funny.  You know you're an acoustic guitar afficianado when you know the year the wood was cut, the nut width, the bout dimensions and width, but don't know what strings are on that sucker.   :smile:

I've got a note into Larrivee to find out...

Adam


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Stephen Basil on April 17, 2009, 01:03:36 PM
That's an excellent piece, Denis.  I wish I could do such justice to my FG III.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on April 17, 2009, 04:35:51 PM
"Apr 17, 2009 7:35 AM    On FedEx vehicle for delivery    KENT, WA"

Sitting by the computer looking out the window and no truck is showing up as I watch.  What's up with that?

Full story at 11...



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 17, 2009, 04:42:24 PM
"Apr 17, 2009 7:35 AM    On FedEx vehicle for delivery    KENT, WA"

Sitting by the computer looking out the window and no truck is showing up as I watch.  What's up with that?

Full story at 11...



I know, it's friggen nerve wracking. I'm sure it will be there soon.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Trinity Guitars on April 17, 2009, 04:54:06 PM
"Apr 17, 2009 7:35 AM    On FedEx vehicle for delivery    KENT, WA"

Sitting by the computer looking out the window and no truck is showing up as I watch.  What's up with that?

Full story at 11...


     I know I know.  The brown truck was supposed to be here yesterday with 23 Forum III guitars on it but no truck. I hope it shows up today. I am ready for them as I know 23 people are as well.
Jim Holler


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on April 17, 2009, 04:56:36 PM
FYI:  Matthew replied that the strings are EXP16s.  Coated, phosphor bronze.

Thanks..

Adam


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on April 17, 2009, 05:54:01 PM
FYI:  Matthew replied that the strings are EXP16s.  Coated, phosphor bronze.  Thanks..  Adam
Good to know.  I just re-stringed my '74 LoPrinzi (SS, EIR) with EJ16s for a closer comparison of it and the new LS-03R.

Looks like a few of us NW'erners are heading to PhotoMat's tomorrow for a 6-string pickin' and grinnin' session. 
I'll try to have the FIII played-in by then.   :humour:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on April 17, 2009, 06:15:19 PM
Good to know.  I just re-stringed my '74 LoPrinzi (SS, EIR) with EJ16s for a closer comparison of it and the new LS-03R.

Looks like a few of us NW'erners are heading to PhotoMat's tomorrow for a 6-string pickin' and grinnin' session. 
I'll try to have the FIII played-in by then.   :humour:

I just broke a string, so I will restring mine with EJ16's as well.  (that seems to be my string of choice lately).  If anyone else in the Seattle area wants to join in tomorrow at 2:30 send me a pm.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 17, 2009, 06:29:54 PM
FYI:  Matthew replied that the strings are EXP16s.  Coated, phosphor bronze.
Adam


Having used Elixir's exclusively for several years, I don't know the D'addario designations. What's the difference between EXP, EJ and PB's?

Hope you Seattle types have fun tomorrow...

...for anyone in the Vancouver area, there's a little jam at my place tonight. PM me if we haven't met and you'd like details...

Cheers, Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on April 17, 2009, 06:45:29 PM
Mike, fellow southpaw, I wish I could make it but I'm a bit far away in NC, USA.  If you have been using Elixir's for years, you should try out some new strings...I think you will be pleasantly surprised by what you hear and you may find an overnight improvement in your guitar's tone.  Maybe...strings are of course subjective and the best set for one guitar isn't necessarily optimal for another.  Anyways, you are asking about EXP, EJ and PB.

EXP - D'Addario's coated strings = Elixir.  Personally, I prefer the EXP tone to the Elixir.  The EXP is a coated phospher/bronze string.  I like these for my Yamaha and Stella, guitars I don't play much and when I do, I often play slide because the action is high on them and these strings tend to be a bit brighter than the EJ's.  I also like EXP16's (.016-.064 guage) on my tricone resonator.

EJ - These are D'Addario's uncoated phospher/bronze strings.  I buy EJ16(light) and EJ17(med) depending on the guitar.

PB = phospher/bronze.  Considered a warm sounding metal for strings.

The nice thing about the EJ's is that you can find a good resource and buy sets for about $3.50 each on the internet w/ free shipping.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 17, 2009, 07:43:27 PM
Just had to pipe up on this one. Remember, I'm still a newbie, but I much prefer Elixirs over Daddario EXPs. I find the sound far superior. Again, don't ask me why, because I really can't explain this stuff yet! :cheers


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on April 17, 2009, 07:52:03 PM
Lynda, I recall a time in the sweet and distant past when subjective opinions could be given without apology. Please may those days return.

I received my LS-03 today. May not post pictures. May not review. (Being just a little faceteous.)

I like it a lot. Matter of fact and to the point ... the guitar, I mean.

Pictures tomorrow when I retrieve my digital camera from my wife's car.

Stay on the sunny side of life!

Norman


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on April 17, 2009, 07:58:11 PM
I just broke a string, so I will restring mine with EJ16's as well. 

I've got some EJ16s lying around at home and I'm going to put some on the LSV-03 this evening.  Should give a nice comparison of coated vs uncoated phosphor bronze.  I'm not usually a big fan of coated strings and their tone (or lack thereof, to me.)  But I haven't done a direct comparison in a long time.

Next step - put on some EJ11s to see how uncoated 80/20s will work out.  Should be brighter and clearer than the PBs; just have to see if they're too harsh.  80/20s work great on my L-03R - tames the rosewood overtones a little and enhances the note separation. 

Adam


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 17, 2009, 08:13:15 PM
Lynda, I recall a time in the sweet and distant past when subjective opinions could be given without apology. Please may those days return.

I received my LS-03 today. May not post pictures. May not review. (Being just a little faceteous.)

I like it a lot. Matter of fact and to the point ... the guitar, I mean.

Pictures tomorrow when I retrieve my digital camera from my wife's car.

Stay on the sunny side of life!

Norman

Come on Norman, we want pictures NOW. Please????  :gotpics:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on April 17, 2009, 08:22:26 PM
Sach and Norm,

Congrats on getting your guitars.

Mine follows me around the house every evening.  I am constantly playing it.  I hope you enjoy yours as much as others have!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on April 17, 2009, 08:57:49 PM
Hey all,

I took a break from the Forum while I was down in Mexico this week.  Just got back.

To all those who just received their guitars and posted pictures...CONGRATS!!  Enjoy!

Jordan


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on April 17, 2009, 09:22:19 PM
#59 , SN 108,555 , finally opened and ready for service:

(http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k409/prof_stack/LS-03R_Front.jpg)
Hmm, that's more runout than any Larrivee I've owned.  But it's not bad.

(http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k409/prof_stack/LS-03R_Back.jpg)
Interesting pattern in how the rosewood meets in the middle.  Nice colors on the edge.

Once tuned up a half-tone to standard E, the tone was tighter than a drum.  Not much to sing about.  Key of G flat-picked sounded out of tune while E was fine.  I'll let the guitar acclimate to Seattle humidity.

Fingerstyle with picks got my ears to start to enjoy what was coming out of the box.  More later.

FIRST IMPRESSIONS (the title of the thread):  Good but not great guitar.  Too new, I think.

Tomorrow at Photomat's will be a good opportunity for the LS to show its true stuff.



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 17, 2009, 09:32:51 PM
Mike, fellow southpaw, I wish I could make it but I'm a bit far away in NC, USA.  If you have been using Elixir's for years, you should try out some new strings...I think you will be pleasantly surprised by what you hear and you may find an overnight improvement in your guitar's tone.  Maybe...strings are of course subjective and the best set for one guitar isn't necessarily optimal for another.  Anyways, you are asking about EXP, EJ and PB.

EXP - D'Addario's coated strings = Elixir.  Personally, I prefer the EXP tone to the Elixir.  The EXP is a coated phospher/bronze string.  I like these for my Yamaha and Stella, guitars I don't play much and when I do, I often play slide because the action is high on them and these strings tend to be a bit brighter than the EJ's.  I also like EXP16's (.016-.064 guage) on my tricone resonator.

EJ - These are D'Addario's uncoated phospher/bronze strings.  I buy EJ16(light) and EJ17(med) depending on the guitar.

PB = phospher/bronze.  Considered a warm sounding metal for strings.

The nice thing about the EJ's is that you can find a good resource and buy sets for about $3.50 each on the internet w/ free shipping.


Wow - that's very cheap especially compared to the Elixirs. So, really, we're talking about two kinds of strings here - both the EXPs and EJs are PBs.

Thanks, Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 17, 2009, 09:33:00 PM
Lynda, I recall a time in the sweet and distant past when subjective opinions could be given without apology. Please may those days return.

I received my LS-03 today. May not post pictures. May not review. (Being just a little faceteous.)

I like it a lot. Matter of fact and to the point ... the guitar, I mean.

Pictures tomorrow when I retrieve my digital camera from my wife's car.

Stay on the sunny side of life!

Norman

Hey this was almost worth having my outing cancelled. i don't think I've been happer for anyone getting a guitar,lol. I know when we talked you had some concerns, how did that pan out?

In regaard to sunny, it's seventy and I've been gardeing up a storm. Great way to restore sense and sensibility.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: aarra on April 17, 2009, 09:34:36 PM
This may be a dumb question or have been mentioned previously, so I apologize in advance.  Why doesn't the F-III come with a polishing cloth?  I am a firm believer in one guitar per cloth, I don't like to cross-pollenate my instruments.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 17, 2009, 09:36:05 PM
I'm assuming because it's a satin finish. I think the last thing you'd want to do is buff away at a satin finish, but I'm totally guessing here. i just brush mine off with my shirt or something,lol.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 17, 2009, 09:43:36 PM
I don't think any of the 03 series come with polishing cloths.  Shame, but old t-shirts do the job just as well.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: LookingForLarri on April 17, 2009, 10:09:31 PM
#56 is Home

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/LookingforLarri/Acoustics%20April%202009/Acoustics2022.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/LookingforLarri/Acoustics%20April%202009/Acoustics2024.jpg)

With the rest of the family
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/LookingforLarri/Acoustics%20April%202009/Easter021.jpg)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on April 17, 2009, 10:10:48 PM
Hey this was almost worth having my outing cancelled. i don't think I've been happer for anyone getting a guitar, lol. I know when we talked you had some concerns, how did that pan out? holly

All my wishes on sound and playability are exceeded. The neck contour isn't bothersome to me. And now, like Ben, what might have sounded like hyperbole from first reviewers makes perfect auditory sense (in a respectible subjective sense, of course.) If I could only play a little (OK, a lot) better.

Preliminary photo sightings aside any concerns I had with appearance were replaced with recognition of individual character and uniqueness, just as I hope occurs when anyone sees me for the first time!

Thank you, Holly, and I anticipate your reaction upon receiving your LS-03 too.

Norman


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 17, 2009, 10:14:16 PM
#56 is Home

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/LookingforLarri/Acoustics%20April%202009/Acoustics2022.jpg)


Beautiful - the fretboard in particular looks very unusual.  congratulations


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 17, 2009, 10:16:42 PM
All my wishes on sound and playability are exceeded. The neck contour isn't bothersome to me. And now, like Ben, what might have sounded like hyperbole from first reviewers makes perfect auditory sense (in a respectible subjective sense, of course.) If I could only play a little (OK, a lot) better.

Preliminary photo sightings aside any concerns I had with appearance were replaced with recognition of individual character and uniqueness, just as I hope occurs when anyone sees me for the first time!

Thank you, Holly, and I anticipate your reaction upon receiving your LS-03 too.

Norman

 :thumbsup - thrilled for you Norman.  Please let us see some pics as soon as possible.  I have given up tonight, as my playing is terrible.  Don't know if it is this bug or general tiredness, but I really feel I am letting the guitar down!!!  Tomorrow will be better.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 17, 2009, 10:43:40 PM
#56 is Home
Ya'll sure take some nice pictures. Love your back yard too! What area you in?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: kinnez on April 17, 2009, 10:46:50 PM
#56 is Home

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/LookingforLarri/Acoustics%20April%202009/Acoustics2022.jpg) (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/LookingforLarri/Acoustics%20April%202009/Acoustics2024.jpg)

With the rest of the family
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/LookingforLarri/Acoustics%20April%202009/Easter021.jpg)

Man, that is one big family.  How do you keep them all happy??  I have enough trouble keeping two mouths feed with two guitars.   :guitar :guitar  What's your impression of the Forum 3 compared to the rest of the family.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 17, 2009, 10:57:08 PM
Ya'll sure take some nice pictures. Love your back yard too! What area you in?

No kidding and the lab almost looks photoshopped in,lol. I didn't know Texas could look like that. It's beautiful.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: LookingForLarri on April 17, 2009, 11:16:01 PM
Ya'll sure take some nice pictures. Love your back yard too! What area you in?

Thank you. I live in sunny Central Oregon. Pretty much the center of the state.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: LookingForLarri on April 17, 2009, 11:18:21 PM
No kidding and the lab almost looks photoshopped in,lol. I didn't know Texas could look like that. It's beautiful.

holly

The Lab is actually a Ham and I don't think Texas can.  I lived in San Antonio for about 10 years and it looks a little different than here in Oregon.

Man, that is one big family.  How do you keep them all happy??  I have enough trouble keeping two mouths feed with two guitars.   :guitar :guitar  What's your impression of the Forum 3 compared to the rest of the family.


Too early to compare, going to to wait for the honeymoon period to pass first


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 17, 2009, 11:56:21 PM
The Lab is actually a Ham and I don't think Texas can.  I lived in San Antonio for about 10 years and it looks a little different than here in Oregon.


Too early to compare, going to to wait for the honeymoon period to pass first

Ha! I thought it looked a little hilly,lol.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 18, 2009, 12:06:34 AM
  I lived in San Antonio for about 10 years and it looks a little different than here in Oregon.
Ok. Beautiful and you're obviously on the east side of Cascades and not in the drizzling rain everyday.
Congrats on your guitar and your home.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Daysailer on April 18, 2009, 01:09:35 AM
#56 is Home

 :nana_guitar    'bout  time....

 :nice guitar:     Look'n great

 :cheers  Iff'n we e're get together,  Yours will be the one with all the extr'ee 'bone.
Sisters, or Blue River   ???
DS :beer


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on April 18, 2009, 01:19:47 AM

Wow - that's very cheap especially compared to the Elixirs. So, really, we're talking about two kinds of strings here - both the EXPs and EJs are PBs.

Thanks, Mike

They come in both PB and 80/20.

EXP16 and EJ16 are both PB.  Coated and uncoated respectively.
Same with EXP11 and EJ11, but 80/20 instead.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on April 18, 2009, 01:50:20 AM
#56 is Home

With the rest of the family
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/LookingforLarri/Acoustics%20April%202009/Easter021.jpg)

Congrats!!!  Those pictures are amazing.

BTW...thats not a family...thats an addiction.  Glad to see that there are people with far worse cases of GAS than me.  Almost makes me feel like I'm on the road to recovery with only 3 guitars... :roll :roll :roll :roll

Enjoy the whole family. 

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Denis on April 18, 2009, 02:22:27 AM
I LOVE hog tops, I really do.  The FIII hogs I`ve seen are spectacular but these IS tops are really different from any other Larrivee!!!

I love the highs on mine.  The word that comes to mind is shimmering...

And they look great!!!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/LookingforLarri/Acoustics%20April%202009/Acoustics2022.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/tjmangum/III3_4larry.jpg)
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t28/jpiazza67/Molly/DSCF2424copy.jpg)

even mine!!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v243/dturbide/IMG_0632.jpg)

I could have put a whole lot more pictures up on here!!! :nice guitar: :nice guitar: :nice guitar: :nice guitar: :nice guitar: :nice guitar: :nice guitar: :nice guitar:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Safricanplayer on April 18, 2009, 02:47:27 AM
# 56 looks perfectly well adjusted and very content amongst the sibbling :smile:  I really believe those IS tops are something special. I can't wait for my All Hog to arrive to compare it to Megans IS/RW.

 ~ Ray ~


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Dotneck on April 18, 2009, 03:06:37 AM
I'm assuming because it's a satin finish. I think the last thing you'd want to do is buff away at a satin finish, but I'm totally guessing here. i just brush mine off with my shirt or something,lol


Wow...never heard that theory before.

If you want a great microfiber cleaning cloth...here is a product I really like. Microfiber cloths called "Googalies"....made in a number of sizes...and a couple different surfaces. i bought a handful of them and use them with my photo and video gear...as well as keep some in guitar cases. I also use some smaller ones to keep my eyeglasses clean. They last years...they are kind of expensive but they are very useful will last forever....

(Mandatory Larrivee content) One is in the case of my ForOM guitar as we speak.....

YMMV


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 18, 2009, 12:25:03 PM
Well, I have no idea if it's right,lol. I have no idea how much rubbing it takes to make a difference but i read these posts where there's a shiny spot here and there from an arm resting, etc. I thought maybe over time, this would contribute if you are trying to buff up the same place. In my case I have a couple rough spots on my Bubinga (a big one really in the back, bugs the hell out of me) that would catch fiber.

I'm also a pretty aggressive polisher. Out, out damn spot.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: aarra on April 18, 2009, 01:23:51 PM
Thanks for the info on Googalies.  I will get some.  This is my first satin finish so I guess I'll have to learn more about it.  I'm still afraid to touch it.  Want to keep it pristine so I'll probably wrap it in saran wrap.   I mentioned that to a friend who doesn't play any instrument and he thought I was serious.  Asked me if it plays better that way.  I was looking for the cloth to caress the guitar without using my greasy hands.  I play my OM-05 in my "guitar shirt",  long-sleeved T with no buttons and no watch on.  Also, anyone within 10 yards has to hold his/her breath. 
 :wave    Thanks for the responses.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 18, 2009, 01:49:06 PM
You'd love the guitar cozy that Jim included with my Classical. Imagine a velvet snood/bonnet type thing with elastic around the edges. It has a neat cutout where the heel pokes out so it's flush to the body. So the back and sides are protected which is great when you are dealing with a Classical finish.

Maybe Jim would post a link as I can't seem to find on on the site.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 18, 2009, 04:28:28 PM
   I'm a little anal about playing my guitars. Because I sweat, especially around the a-pit, I place a small cloth over the lower bout, just enough so my arm oils & sweat don't get on the finish & eat it up. Has kept my guitars looking new for years. Also increases the value because if you have to sell, you don't have a big mark from your arm on the guitar. Some would say so what, but I keep a small cloth for the bout (to lay over) & a smaller one for the neck & strings in every case. Makes sense, but some don't give a s*** about the marks, just say it adds character. A matter of preference. And try not to use the micro-fiber cloth (Larrivee) on the string or any rough spot. It will pull the threads out. :thumb
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on April 19, 2009, 01:40:26 AM
After 24 hours, me and #59 are starting to click.  Some of the tightness is gone.  Getting better all the time...

Check out a "Three Larivee Amigos" thread in a bit.  Photos attached.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on April 19, 2009, 02:06:54 AM
After 24 hours, me and #59 are starting to click.  Some of the tightness is gone.  Getting better all the time...


 :+1:

I'm in the same boat.  I was a little underwhelmed when I first started playing it, but it's definitely growing on me quickly.  It strums well, but it's definitely a fingerstyle guitar.  It's considerably more responsive than my L-03R.  The notes come out loud and clear with very little effort, though the overall sound is still tight.  I think some of the improvement is the EXP16s calming down a little.  I think switching over to uncoated strings will make it better still, but I always feel bad "wasting" new strings.  I'm sure that will go away in about a day.   :bgrin:


And it sure is purty. 

Adam


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on April 19, 2009, 04:27:30 AM
I'm in the same boat.  I was a little underwhelmed when I first started playing it, but it's definitely growing on me quickly.  It strums well, but it's definitely a fingerstyle guitar.  It's considerably more responsive than my L-03R.  The notes come out loud and clear with very little effort, though the overall sound is still tight.  I think some of the improvement is the EXP16s calming down a little.  I think switching over to uncoated strings will make it better still, but I always feel bad "wasting" new strings.  I'm sure that will go away in about a day.   :bgrin:  And it sure is purty.  Adam

+1  When its time, EJ16's will go on my LS-03R.  Until then, the FIII is going to get lots of playing time.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on April 19, 2009, 04:39:54 AM
#59 , SN 108,555 , finally opened and ready for service:

(http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k409/prof_stack/LS-03R_Front.jpg)
Hmm, that's more runout than any Larrivee I've owned.  But it's not bad.

(http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k409/prof_stack/LS-03R_Back.jpg)
Interesting pattern in how the rosewood meets in the middle.  Nice colors on the edge.

Once tuned up a half-tone to standard E, the tone was tighter than a drum.  Not much to sing about.  Key of G flat-picked sounded out of tune while E was fine.  I'll let the guitar acclimate to Seattle humidity.

Fingerstyle with picks got my ears to start to enjoy what was coming out of the box.  More later.

FIRST IMPRESSIONS (the title of the thread):  Good but not great guitar.  Too new, I think.

Tomorrow at Photomat's will be a good opportunity for the LS to show its true stuff.



Norm,

Great to see and hear your guitar today!  I never even saw your initial impression with the photos go through.  I love that orange color in the rosewood, and I enjoyed hearing the difference between the rosewood and mahogany models today. 


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Trinity Guitars on April 19, 2009, 12:21:57 PM
Well folks,  Seams like UPS has delayed the scheduled 3/16 delivery of 23 forum guitars until 3/21 or 3/22. They were scheduled to pick them up at Larrivee before Good Friday but did not arrive until after Easter. I will get ahold of everyone's who's guitars arrives this week to review the set up final specifications ect.
Jim Holler


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Dotneck on April 19, 2009, 12:22:18 PM
I love the way these RW/IS guitars look. Beautiful. Wish I had ordered one of those just so it could sit on a stand and look pretty.

Hope I'm happy with a hogtop....


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 19, 2009, 06:18:40 PM
I am having a real bother keeping my forum III in tune.  I cannot put my finger on why at the moment.  Anybody got any advice.  Could it be

A couple of poor tuners (we have had the ping argument a lot on here)
The fact it is so new
The fact that it has come a long way and needs to acclimatise to Scottish humidity - if so how long does it tend to take
The strings

Any advice would be much appreciated.  I cannot get it to stay in tune in dropped tunings at all.  When it is in tune the intonation is spot on, and it plays really nicely.

My OM-03 is nearly always bang on in tune, even if it has been in the case for days without being played, so it isn't changes in humidity levels between days.

Thanks in advance.

Ben


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 19, 2009, 06:20:59 PM
A couple of poor tuners (we have had the ping argument a lot on here)
The fact it is so new
The fact that it has come a long way and needs to acclimatise to Scottish humidity - if so how long does it tend to take
The strings


Yes. Although id look at 1, 3 and 4 first.  Is it a few strings that are constantly a problem? That would narrow it down.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 19, 2009, 06:53:29 PM
I'd probably be leaning towards Tuners and/or adjusting to climate. My experience with strings ,after they're done stretching,
 is that if they are bad it shows up in intonation. Different strings wouldn't cost much to eliminate as suspect though.
 After a week or 2 I'd be heavily looking at tuners. The pings on my 000-60 aren't too bad, but they don't hold like Schallers on L-10 and Gallagher. If the intonation is good when it's in tune, I wouldn't worry much.
New tuners probably the worst case scenario and that wouldn't be a bad idea anyway. I should get some for my 000-60.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Stephen Basil on April 19, 2009, 06:55:20 PM
I've been having tuning frustrations too.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on April 19, 2009, 06:57:03 PM
This might be related to the tuners.  Check the nut slots and the tightness of fit of the strings, especially the thinner ones.  Graphite might help.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 19, 2009, 06:59:14 PM
It isn't generally one string, it is all over the place.  I'll take it out of the case and it is flat across all the strings, so I tune it up and 10 minutes later they are all sharp again.  It is worse in open tunings.  PITA to be honest.  I was trying to record Caledonia in CGCGCE, capoed at the third fret, and at the end of the first verse the E and D strings were out of tune every time either sharp or flat, unitl I gave up.  In std tuning, it is the G and B strings that won't stay in tune.  Maybe I'll just change out the strings to the Newtones I am used to and go from there.  Like others have said I don't like wasting strings, and it does seem a waste to change out new ones!

Maye I just need to persevere until they settle in a bit better.

Ben


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 19, 2009, 07:03:28 PM
This might be related to the tuners.  Check the nut slots and the tightness of fit of the strings, especially the thinner ones.  Graphite might help.

Prett sure that is OK.  Jim set it up, and ther is none of the typical creaking noise with that issue.  It was the first thing I checked.  I tend to give the string a wee press behind and in front of the nut each time I tweak the tuner to eliminate that issue anyway, and they don't seem sticky.

One of the pings on my OM-03 feels loose, regardless of how tight the button is.  You can turn it about an 8th of a turn with no change to string tension, but once it is in tune, it holds it fine.  These ones all seem tight enough.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on April 19, 2009, 08:23:23 PM
It may just be the guitar adjusting to a different climate.  I just got back from a week in Mexico.  I took my Go travel guitar down with me.  Before I left I noticed the the Go was a little dried out and the fret ends were sticking out.  Mexico was incredibly humid and I left the Go guitar out of the case for the 6 days I was there in order to let it get a bit of moisture into the wood.  By the time I left Mexico 6 days later, the fret ends were no longer sticking out.  I also noticed that the guitar went sharp by almost a 1/4 of a tone as it got adjusted to the new climate.  I had to keep retuning it each day.  Moral of the story is that a change in climate can definitely cause a thin walled guitar to go a bit wonky while it adjusts.  I haven't noticed any tuner issues with my FIII.

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 20, 2009, 03:43:30 AM
   Ben, best thing is to work from simplest & less costly to the worse. Just change the strings first, stretch them when you put them on, tune it up. Play it for a day or two so the strings can stretch & adjust. Maybe put some graphite in the slots or make sure they're free from debris when changing then. It shouldn't take weeks for it to acclimate to where you are. Then, you'll have to look @ the tuners & take it from there. Boy, I hope I don't have these problems when I get mine. Can't afford new tuners, or will Larrivee swap them out for new ones if that is the problem (worst case). Ask to talk to Wendy or Matthew when they decide to start taking phone calls again. Larrivee, @ the moment, won't take calls, only emails. Either way , good luck. Simplest first. :?
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on April 20, 2009, 03:53:53 AM
Jim set it up, and ther is none of the typical creaking noise with that issue.  It was the first thing I checked.  I tend to give the string a wee press behind and in front of the nut each time I tweak the tuner to eliminate that issue anyway, and they don't seem sticky.

One of the pings on my OM-03 feels loose, regardless of how tight the button is.  You can turn it about an 8th of a turn with no change to string tension, but once it is in tune, it holds it fine.  These ones all seem tight enough.
That last part sounds like it could be a tight slot in the nut.  Yesterday Photomat broke another string (G string I think) and he showed me how tight the string was in the slot.  He might have to widen it just a hair.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on April 20, 2009, 04:44:50 AM
Yesterday Photomat broke another string (G string I think) and he showed me how tight the string was in the slot.  He might have to widen it just a hair.

Yep, changing the tuning from Dadgad to Double Drop D to normal to changing the saddle back and forth will sure break those strings, right at the tuning peg even. 

Hope the tuning issue calms down for you.  make sure the nuts on the tuners are snug (not too tight).  I do find when I tune to another tuning, it takes a little while to settle in.




Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: johnny37 on April 20, 2009, 07:23:57 AM
    Ask to talk to Wendy or Matthew when they decide to start taking phone calls again. Larrivee, @ the moment, won't take calls, only emails. Either way , good luck. Simplest first. :?
     Jeff   :guitar

Why would you ask to talk to them?  They are in California, and the guitar was built in Vancouver.  Call there, not California in my opinion.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on April 20, 2009, 01:45:39 PM
Speaking of tuning, last night I noticed that the G-string tuner in the LS-03R wasn't adjusting the pitch in a smooth manner.  When I loosened the string to check the nut slot, the string did not come out without great effort on my part.  So the string is binding in the slot, a sure cause of breakage.

I put some graphite from a pencil in the slot and that helped, but it appears either the slot was not cut correctly or the EXP lights G-string is a little bigger than advertised. 



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 20, 2009, 02:15:33 PM
   Well Johnny, if you live in the US & not Canada, first off the call is a fraction of the cost. Cost me $11 to call Dave Wren for 10 mins.. They can answer your questions in Calif., as I had a similar prob. that Wendy addressed on my OM-03 SP, made in 'Couver. Live in "Nanook" country, call BC. In the US, call Wendy. She's vice pres. of the company, will help in any way, & if there is a consistent prob. with the factory installed nuts, she'll take care of it. Remember, not only is she the vice, cut she's also John's Mommy. If there is a problem that is traced to a part, they will rectify it. That's why you call certain factories. Otherwise, they'd only have one phone #. Makes sense? Also, do you not think Calif. is well aware of all aspects of the build? Still haven't gotten an answer to my email from over a week ago. Not taking phone calls, Matthew answers the emails, or Wendy. What's up? :?
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on April 20, 2009, 03:10:21 PM
Jeff - Vancouver is running minimal shifts or even effectively closed temporarily, and Oxnard has probably cut back as well. They will answer emails when they have time, but are probably not answering the phone for the same reason I usually don't - most of the calls are solicitations.

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 20, 2009, 04:43:58 PM
   Well Johnny, if you live in the US & not Canada, first off the call is a fraction of the cost. Cost me $11 to call Dave Wren for 10 mins.. They can answer your questions in Calif., as I had a similar prob. that Wendy addressed on my OM-03 SP, made in 'Couver. Live in "Nanook" country, call BC. In the US, call Wendy. She's vice pres. of the company, will help in any way, & if there is a consistent prob. with the factory installed nuts, she'll take care of it. Remember, not only is she the vice, cut she's also John's Mommy. If there is a problem that is traced to a part, they will rectify it. That's why you call certain factories. Otherwise, they'd only have one phone #. Makes sense? Also, do you not think Calif. is well aware of all aspects of the build? Still haven't gotten an answer to my email from over a week ago. Not taking phone calls, Matthew answers the emails, or Wendy. What's up? :?
     Jeff   :guitar


$11 for 10 minutes?! - yikes - sounds like the 1970s. Up here Yak charges 3 cents a minute to anywhere in the U.S. or Canada, anytime. Long distance costs just aren't an issue any more.

Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 20, 2009, 06:43:02 PM
   VS- I have unlimited long-distance calling, which I thought was US & Canada. My wife saw the bill, told her what happened, & just another reason for her to B**** about my guitar thing. She has her hobbies, like shopping for Coach purses & getting diamonds from our "personal" jeweler, but my hobby is also my passion. She doesn't get it. I get spanked verbally alot. Too bad not physically! :humour:
   Will have to email Larrivee with my request again, in case it got lost in all of the solicitor's mail!
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 20, 2009, 07:17:39 PM
Update on my tuning issues, if anyone is interested.  I bit the bullet and ditched the new strings (I hate throwing out new strings!) and put on my usual Newtone Masterclass Custom .012 - .054 set, and it stays in tune even though they haven't had time to stretch in properly yet.  real noticable difference.  I did note that the G string was very tight in the nut slot, but that the Newtone one (.024) was a smoother fit.  Is it possible that the D'addario EJ16 (coated or uncoated) has a slightly thicker G string than the Cleartones, and therefore the nuts are a little tight on all the forum guitars? 

Fingers crossed it is problem solved.  The Newtones sound really bright on it, I hope they settle down a bit, because I am completely out of strings now!!!

Ben


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 20, 2009, 08:00:26 PM
   VS- I have unlimited long-distance calling, which I thought was US & Canada. My wife saw the bill, told her what happened, & just another reason for her to B**** about my guitar thing. She has her hobbies, like shopping for Coach purses & getting diamonds from our "personal" jeweler, but my hobby is also my passion. She doesn't get it. I get spanked verbally alot. Too bad not physically! :humour:
   Will have to email Larrivee with my request again, in case it got lost in all of the solicitor's mail!
     Jeff   :guitar


Ouch! Sorry to hear about the spanking, or lack thereof. Maybe you two could work something out....ya know...."honey, I've been very, veeeery bad today, I bought another (guitar, purse, etc) and I need to be disciplined..."

Let us know how it goes. Pictures are always helpful. 

Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 20, 2009, 08:54:05 PM
   VS, sick minds think alike. I don't have a camcorder, but here's a pic of me after a physical wacking! That's joy you see on my face! :humour:
     Jeff   :guitar

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 20, 2009, 09:15:17 PM
   VS, sick minds think alike. I don't have a camcorder, but here's a pic of me after a physical wacking! That's joy you see on my face! :humour:
     Jeff   :guitar

Whew. There's gotta be a blues song in there somewhere.

"I went down to the dominatrix, fell down on my knees..."

I suspect the mods will be spanking us soon if we don't get back to talking about guitars.

Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 20, 2009, 10:47:15 PM
Mike, I KNOW you're bad and have a twisted mind, but Jeff, I'm SO surprised at your behaviour! :roll


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 20, 2009, 11:10:35 PM
Update on my tuning issues, if anyone is interested.  I bit the bullet and ditched the new strings (I hate throwing out new strings!) and put on my usual Newtone Masterclass Custom .012 - .054 set, and it stays in tune even though they haven't had time to stretch in properly yet.  real noticable difference.  I did note that the G string was very tight in the nut slot, but that the Newtone one (.024) was a smoother fit.  Is it possible that the D'addario EJ16 (coated or uncoated) has a slightly thicker G string than the Cleartones, and therefore the nuts are a little tight on all the forum guitars? 

Fingers crossed it is problem solved.  The Newtones sound really bright on it, I hope they settle down a bit, because I am completely out of strings now!!!

Ben
Sounds good Ben. I wander what it was about the strings?  Maybe it's a combo of getting used to climate?
Or    Who cares, it stays in tune now! Enjoy your new "in tune" guitar.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on April 20, 2009, 11:16:29 PM
Good to hear the problem had such a simple solution. I would also like to try new strings, but I hate to not get full use out of a set before changing them. Unless they sound REALLY bad - and these EXPs don't sound too bad at all -

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 21, 2009, 12:05:17 AM
   Lynda, Mike made me do it . He really did. I'm not like that. Normally. Only on weekends! :wink:  Boredom adds spice to your life, & your wife. That's why they make Allspice, for all occassions! Here they come! :cop: Like I've said before, wipe that d*** smile off your face!
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 21, 2009, 12:15:38 AM
   Let's talk guitars. Yea?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 21, 2009, 12:37:58 AM
   Lynda, Mike made me do it . He really did.  (snip)
     Jeff   :guitar

   Let's talk guitars. Yea?

Well, especially if you're gonna start shifting blame here. Or credit. Whichever.

I think the members of this forum generally prefer a different kind of enabling, or at least I thought they did.  :blush:

Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 21, 2009, 12:47:36 AM
   Take your pick. I didn't mention the word "dominatrix" first, though. OOP's, just did! It was a moment of madness on both of our parts, so let's just drop it & get back yo business. :wacko:
   I can't wait to get my LS-03 HOG HB. There, now it's your turn. I'm #47(108570), by the way, with a righty body & lefty neck. Play backwards. Upside-down. That might explain things...
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 21, 2009, 07:08:02 AM
   Take your pick. I didn't mention the word "dominatrix" first, though. OOP's, just did! It was a moment of madness on both of our parts, so let's just drop it & get back yo business. :wacko:
   I can't wait to get my LS-03 HOG HB. There, now it's your turn. I'm #47(108570), by the way, with a righty body & lefty neck. Play backwards. Upside-down. That might explain things...
     Jeff   :guitar

Ah, reminds me of one of my favourite Dylan quotes:

"Now everything's a little upside down, as a matter of fact the wheels have stopped
What's good is bad, what's bad is good, you'll find out when you reach the top..."

-Idiot Wind, from Blood on the Tracks

Nothing to do with the current situation of course, as there have been no bitter partings, from dominatrixs or otherwise. As so often with His Bobness, it is the sound of it, the way he sings the words, and the individual turns of phrase I am drawn to, rather than the larger story, which in this case remains as oblique as ever despite the obviously pointed words.

Interesting combination of body parts on your guitar, and welcome to the all-hog club. I've been gaining a steady appreciation for mine (#52, pure lefty, eventually). She's very well-mannered, refined and elegant, much like the Leonard Cohen concert I was fortunate enough to attend last night. Responds best to gentle persuasion and caresses, but gives nothing away and allows you to hide nothing. I anticipate a long, passionate affair, with nary a spanking in sight, though she also responds well to more enthusiastic overtures.

Mike



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 21, 2009, 11:28:07 AM
I'm more of a Blood on the Coal kinda gal. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3J-_fAavm4&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3J-_fAavm4&feature=related)

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 21, 2009, 01:40:52 PM
Mike, I think you must be a very bad boy in need of a spanking or two. :roll


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 21, 2009, 01:48:35 PM
   Mike, I somehow left out the IS in front of the HOG. Sorry about the confusion. And you apparently already welcomed me to the "all hog" club, if you catch my drift! :tongue:
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 21, 2009, 01:51:22 PM
   And Lynda, what, more spanking on this thread? I'm soooo surprised by your statement. You're that kinda girl? 1-900-Callmee? :thumb
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on April 21, 2009, 03:24:00 PM
   Take your pick. I didn't mention the word "dominatrix" first, though. OOP's, just did! It was a moment of madness on both of our parts, so let's just drop it & get back yo business. :wacko:
   I can't wait to get my LS-03 HOG HB. There, now it's your turn. I'm #47(108570), by the way, with a righty body & lefty neck. Play backwards. Upside-down. That might explain things...
     Jeff   :guitar

Jeff
your topsy turvy half-breed guitar has caused a few problems in Vancouver.  I saw Edwin scratch his head and then proceed to put on the tuners with the post facing the back of the headstock on yours when I was there.   :roll

Mike
Like you I am a fan of the well-turned Dylan lyric.     One of my personal favorites is "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows"   Also I like "She's a hypnotist collector you are a walking antique"      I'm also a Leonard Cohen fan for the same reason;  the lyrics just suck you in.

From "One of us cannot be wrong"..............    "but you stand there so nice in your blizzard of ice Oh please let me come into the storm"

 These two guys are probably the biggest influences on my own songwriting.   




Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 21, 2009, 03:29:43 PM
I knew there was a reason I liked you, pithiness aside. Leonard Cohen is why I bought a guitar. The you can figure out the next forever trying to figure out how the hell he's playing it. Not very many old guys could pull off 'I'm Your Man' and 'Take This Waltz' is the pull over in the car song.

I was destiend to be a weirdo when I was th only stoner chick who at fourteen had a Cohen record. That and 'In the Court of The Crimson King' but that was an acid thing,lol.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on April 21, 2009, 03:35:33 PM
I knew there was a reason I liked you, pithiness aside. Leonard Cohen is why I bought a guitar. The you can figure out the next forever trying to figure out how the hell he's playing it. Not very many old guys could pull off 'I'm Your Man' and 'Take This Waltz' is the pull over in the car song.

I was destiend to be a weirdo when I was th only stoner chick who at fourteen had a Cohen record. That and 'In the Court of The Crimson King' but that was an acid thing,lol.

holly

I have a feeling our record collections would be very similar.   Nobody can get inside my head like Cohen.
And of course, King Crimson was a must for acid-heads in the late 60's.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 21, 2009, 04:32:18 PM
   Lynn, I hope you're only kidding about the neck issue. But then again, a little head scratching just allows for more time for thought!. Just put the neck on like it's suppossed to go & stop scratching your head! Not you. Edwin! Maybe that's why I haven't gotten mine yet. He's still scratching his head!
   Jennifer Warnes has a CD called "Famous Blue Raincoat", which are songs of Cohen. Has some sweet stuff on there (her voice & arrangments) besides the lyrics. Noticed that not all, but almost all, were Cohen songs. Deep. "A singer must die for the lie in his voice". Makes you think. :?
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on April 21, 2009, 05:09:15 PM
   Lynn, I hope you're only kidding about the neck issue. But then again, a little head scratching just allows for more time for thought!. Just put the neck on like it's suppossed to go & stop scratching your head! Not you. Edwin! Maybe that's why I haven't gotten mine yet. He's still scratching his head!
   Jennifer Warnes has a CD called "Famous Blue Raincoat", which are songs of Cohen. Has some sweet stuff on there (her voice & arrangments) besides the lyrics. Noticed that not all, but almost all, were Cohen songs. Deep. "A singer must die for the lie in his voice". Makes you think. :?
     Jeff   :guitar


Jeff, I hope you know I was just kidding about Edwin and your guitar.    I should have put a happy face with my post.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 21, 2009, 05:24:23 PM
   I knew that. Just had to add my 2cents worth of trying to be humorous! :thumb
     Jeff
   Lynn, also got your mailing. My wife is out buying a blackie for it! Thanks again! Let me know were your musical tastes lie. I might have something I can burn for you. And IMO, "Starless & Bibleblack" was the best Crimson LP. Yes, LP!. Ever hear of 'Animal Logic"? Stanley Clarke, Stewart Copeland, & some Canadian songwriter that sings & writes. She showed them her songs & the band was formed! They have 2 CD's, A.L. #1 & A.L.#2. Cool music with interesting lyrics. We all can get something out of them. Let me know. :wave
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 21, 2009, 05:51:30 PM
   Mike, I somehow left out the IS in front of the HOG. Sorry about the confusion. And you apparently already welcomed me to the "all hog" club, if you catch my drift! :tongue:
     Jeff   :guitar


More like a tsunami, but yes...

Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 21, 2009, 05:55:52 PM
Mike, I think you must be a very bad boy in need of a spanking or two. :roll

I refuse to dignify that comment with a response.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 21, 2009, 06:04:55 PM
   Good boy, Mike. We don't want them after us! :cop:
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: vates on April 21, 2009, 08:04:56 PM
I've just received a message from Jim that he's got my guitar  :nanadance

I need to wait a little more...


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 21, 2009, 08:47:08 PM
Ben,

Saw the pics, I'll say it again, you have the loveliest RW I've ever seen.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 21, 2009, 09:05:05 PM
Ben,

Saw the pics, I'll say it again, you have the loveliest RW I've ever seen.

holly

Thanks holly, this picture is actually pretty close to the real colour in the evening sunlight.  It is very red.  I keep turning it over to admire it all the time.  I guess I was lucky, but many of them look very very pretty.

(http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo222/Banjo_10/8.jpg)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 21, 2009, 09:12:19 PM
I've just received a message from Jim that he's got my guitar  :nanadance

I need to wait a little more...
:thumbsup  Great news - not long to wait now!!!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 21, 2009, 11:24:46 PM
   Ben, some great looking RW. Like I've said & others, it seems like we got a notch higher than the usual -03 series RW & HOG! :nice guitar:
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on April 22, 2009, 02:24:01 AM
I'm just curious to hear how many people still haven't received their guitars yet?  It sounds like more than 75% of the 78 guitars have found their way home.  It also sounds like Jim is still pushing out a few at this point. 

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on April 22, 2009, 03:00:23 AM
I am still waiting on an all hog.  Got an email today from Jim...I will call him tomorrow regarding the set up.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on April 22, 2009, 03:47:34 AM
Impressions:  Day 4 with the LS-03R -  The Itellitouch tuner was used to get it right.  Open chords sound fine.  Played with fingerpicks and thumbpick and got some nice sounds coming out with good intonation.  The LS is still tight but the more I played it the better it got.  Was it my ears getting used to it?  Perhaps. 

I found myself doing some new stuff without thinking about it and I didn't want to put the guitar down. 

So, this has been a good day with the FIII.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 22, 2009, 05:14:43 AM
   Mine might be in. I asked jim to push mine towards the end of his setups becuase I'm a little low on $. Will be waiting patiently & this point to hear from him. the longer, the better my siuation will be. Will have to take saving out, bottom line, which will send my wife higher than Sputnik was launched! :mad: She's not too happy with me right now with my GASing, but I don't get it. I sold my coin collection to pay for my SD-50 from Jim, so I am waiting to hear about varous things I have for sale. Four watches (good ones), a camera, home speakers. My camera, which I thought was sold & had committed to someone to buy (turning down someone else for personal reasons), fell through @ the last minute. A lesson learned. But I will get my guitar, so Jim, if you see this, don't worry. The money will be there when you call. Just call my cell phone! Might not be home!
     Jeff   :wave


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on April 22, 2009, 10:58:09 AM
I'm just curious to hear how many people still haven't received their guitars yet?  It sounds like more than 75% of the 78 guitars have found their way home.  It also sounds like Jim is still pushing out a few at this point. 

Jordan.

Mine is supposed to be delivered today. Jim received  the last of the 78 plus extras yesterday so everybody should have theirs soon.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: hawkeye99 on April 22, 2009, 12:24:43 PM
I haven't received my IS/Hog lefty yet. Direct shipped to Prince Eward Island.
                                                                                         Robert.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 22, 2009, 02:08:04 PM
I took my forum III to work today as I have a colleague who is learning and wanted to see it.  First time I heard him play and he is pretty decent for a beginner.  Made me look like the beginner!  My forum III looks and sounds great - this was my first chance to listen to it rather than play it.  It stays in tune well now with new strings.  I guess with the new saddle installation, set up, and the long journey through various humidities and temperatures the old ones had probably been stretched to and fro before they had a chance to settle in, and suffered as a result. 

Intonation is funny on the low E string.  It was way off when I restrung, but the more I play it, the less off it gets, and it is now only a fraction sharp as you go past about the 9th fret (it was a lot off initially, like 1/4 of a step off at the 12th fret).  Is it normal for intonation to be off with new strings and then settle down?  Sorry for the novice question.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 22, 2009, 04:12:05 PM
I haven't received my IS/Hog lefty yet. Direct shipped to Prince Eward Island.
                                                                                         Robert.

Have you contacted Jim?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: hawkeye99 on April 22, 2009, 04:22:08 PM
Quote from: hawkeye99 on Today at 07:24:43 AM
I haven't received my IS/Hog lefty yet. Direct shipped to Prince Eward Island.
                                                                                         Robert.

Have you contacted Jim?

Jim phoned me a couple of nights ago. There was a miscommunication regarding GST. Hopefully things are straightened out now. I'm still waiting for confirmation that's it's been shipped though.
                                                                                                                                                             
Robert


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Dotneck on April 22, 2009, 05:48:46 PM
Another guitar found its way to North Carolina this afternoon...so far its a  :thumb


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3610/3466303554_e0976d6757_o.jpg)





(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3494/3465488349_a34fa780d4_o.jpg)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 22, 2009, 05:52:42 PM
I'm convinced there's a score of you that keep scenic back drops on hand. It is a beauty, love the cutaway.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Dotneck on April 22, 2009, 05:54:44 PM
I'm convinced there's a score of you that keep scenic back drops on hand. It is a beauty, love the cutaway.

yup...I keep this one out behind the parking lot!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on April 22, 2009, 06:23:03 PM
Shes a beauty Dotneck.  Mine got here about 9:00 this morning.
Here's a quick shot, more to follow once I can find some scenic backdrop  :rolleye:

The silking that is visible in the pic is all over the top, it's beautiful.

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa242/daddyo12453/LS-03HB/IMG_1400_1_1.jpg)

I am very happy so far. I would imagine that won't change unless it implodes or something.  :wacko:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 22, 2009, 06:25:05 PM
Jim didn't tell you about the imploding?

Love the light in the photo but, you are going to take it out of the case, right?

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 22, 2009, 06:48:22 PM
   Ben, the low "e" shouldn't take time to intonate properly, just maybe a day or two for the string to stretch. The saddle, if I recall your Colosi has the low "e" intonated also (might be wrong; might just be the "b"), you might want to look into an uncompensated saddle for @ least the "e" string. It shouldn't be drifting like yours sounds like it is. The saddle, if sharp ("e"), might have to have to be looked @ by a luthier & have a new saddle made. The saddle is normally compensated for being flat, normally the "b" string, which I'm still working on to figure out why it's always the "b" string. Good luck!
     Jeff


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on April 22, 2009, 07:16:14 PM
Another guitar found its way to North Carolina this afternoon...so far its a  :thumb


(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3610/3466303554_e0976d6757_o.jpg)





(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3494/3465488349_a34fa780d4_o.jpg)


WOW, I love the look of the cutaway.  Great photos and congrats on getting your guitar!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: jeremy3220 on April 22, 2009, 07:52:22 PM
   Ben, the low "e" shouldn't take time to intonate properly, just maybe a day or two for the string to stretch. The saddle, if I recall your Colosi has the low "e" intonated also (might be wrong; might just be the "b"), you might want to look into an uncompensated saddle for @ least the "e" string.

If the string is going sharp up the neck the contact point needs to be moved away from the nut.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: kaos on April 22, 2009, 09:21:33 PM
Number 8 arrived today, on Earth Day, an auspicious beginning if ever there was one.  Kudos to Jim for an impeccable set up and a big thanks to all the Larrivee folks who created my beautiful girl.  I've been playing all afternoon (got blisters on my fingers!) and couldn't be happier with my purchase.  Pictures soon in the picture area.

mary


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on April 22, 2009, 11:26:01 PM
Jim didn't tell you about the imploding?

Love the light in the photo but, you are going to take it out of the case, right?

holly

I've been pretty busy today, had a stress test at 8:30am. Got home and my wife made me open the box right away, said she couldn't stand it anymore, had to see it. I played it a little bit, actually all over the neck and didn't find any intonation issues.  Then Ive been working on my neighbors kitchen cupboards changing out the hinges to concealed hinges.

I plan on going up north tomorrow or Friday and will take it with me so I can "play the snot out of it". I'm sure I can find some scenic back drop somewhere up there.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 22, 2009, 11:50:40 PM
Congratulations Roger.  :gotpics:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on April 23, 2009, 02:33:31 AM
Haven't been around in a while. Just thought I'd post a few. I have not had much time to read the latest posts.

Congrats to BenF as his git is one of the ones that travelled the farthest distance and a few crossings (i.e. customs, couriers,...)

I feel for Tad and others who are still waiting? That must be quite a test of patience. To our friends still in waiting, I hope the satisfaction and happiness of new FG IIIs coming will be worth the wait (I had to wait a long time for my first ever Larrivee as some of you would recall - what with Thanksgiving and the November Election).

On another note, I picked up my FG III for the second time since returning home yesterday from Mexico. Put my nose in the sound hole for a whiff of .... aaahhhh - the smell of March 16, the smell of the Factory, which reminds me of all my friends here.

I played my LSV-03R, in spite of my injured left hand ( I slipped and had a bad spill at the Calgary Airport on April 13 - landing on my left chording hand ),  and still amazed at the sound that I heard.

Though a self-confessed Taylor fan, my FG III got me to a better position to resist:
The Fall and Spring Ltds and Build-To-Order guitars.

Satisfied with my FG III - and wish the same for the rest of the ones who ordered.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on April 23, 2009, 03:12:16 AM
I am loving the smell of vanilla that this Italian Spruce gives off.  It builds up in the case and then I open it up and WHAM!  It's so strong, I can't smell the rose scent of rosewood.

Ben - great looking guitar, the rosewood looks real nice.

Roger - I love the picture you have of your FIII.

Gary - Congrats man, you finally got your hogtop!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: jeremy3220 on April 23, 2009, 03:18:58 AM
I am loving the smell of vanilla that this Italian Spruce gives off.  It builds up in the case and then I open it up and WHAM!  It's so strong, I can't smell the rose scent of rosewood.


That's because East Indian doesn't smell like roses. It has an earthy smell. Some have said the vanilla smell is the case, but I don't know cause I haven't sniffed any FIII's.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on April 23, 2009, 03:37:56 AM
jeremy is right. the vanilla scent comes from the 03 case.

the cases of my OM-40 and FG III are the same - both give off that vanilla smell.

Others have also mentioned that Silver Oak also gives off that vanilla smell.  I smelled an L-03 SO from the same store I bought my OM-40 and wondered why it did not smell like vanilla.  I guess, it has been on display and out of its vanilla-smelling case for a while.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 23, 2009, 03:54:04 AM
   Jeremy, if I'm correct, Ben has a Colosi saddle that has both the B & low E compensated. How's he suppossed to move the E string contact point any futher with the saddle? Wouldn't the nut have to be angled to change the contact point?
     Jeff


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 23, 2009, 05:08:51 AM
Nut sure won't help. It'll be out of the picture on 9th fret. String needs to come back at saddle. If it's as far as it goes, either something drastic (I doubt it) or detune the string flat and reach a compromise. Good thing is that if you have to do hat, detune, flat sounds better to most people than sharp.
 Ben, how often do you play the low E string 9th fret or above? Don't want to do something that might throw your intonation out lower down the neck, if your not gonna play up that high anyway. Also, are you hearing it off with your ears or just looking at tuner? Some tuners get funny with different overtones hitting them.
Like many will show high when you first pluck a string hard, then settle lower.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 23, 2009, 05:52:38 AM
jeff, the colosi saddle is on my om-03, and isn't low E compensated, sorry for confusion. And matt, I think you are right, I think it may be a tuner issue.  I believe the tuner is reading the open E note poorly, hence why it gets worse up the neck. I need to trust my ear more!  The only times I play up there are capoed tunes, like here comes the sun, which sounds off, but then that is probably the capo pulling it sharp.

The saddle is quite high, and I belive the E string took extra time to develop a sharp enough kink over it, hence the early instability.  Logic tells me that this would be exagerated up the neck, causing poor intonation until it settles. This would explain also that it was worse with the slightly heavier string. (0.054)

My forum III was set up by jim holler, which indicates that it is something I have done for sure. It now seems fine, 3 days after restringing. The old strings certainly seem to have caused the tuning headaches. It stays in tune beautifully now. Boy does it play and sound good now these issues seem to be in the past.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 23, 2009, 06:12:28 AM
Sounds like you'll get it worked out. If saddle is high (not saying that's a bad thing) you have to push the string down further to fret which can run it high. Good to know you could sand saddle back for E if you choose.
 Ok, when people in Europe start making thier morning posts, I think that's a pretty good indication that it's time for me to hit the sack!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 23, 2009, 06:15:17 AM
  :laughin: I'm up with the larks matt, it isn't that late! The saddle is tall, not necessarily high. Poor terminology, sorry. The neck angle must be shallow, because the string height is low. I guess that way allows for more adjustment in the future.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on April 23, 2009, 01:59:35 PM
Jim set my action low like my other guitars and the saddle is quite a bit higher than my other Larrivee's.  So I'm sure the neck angle is a little different, which is great for the way I play.
I think Larrivee picks a happy medium for most of their guitars so the saddle doesn't have to be too high for those that want high action for their heavy strumming or picking.  I think I sacrifice a little as far as volume with the shallow break angle on my other guitars, but I'm real happy with the F-III. It is very balanced, all strings everywhere on the neck.
Here is a comparison, both with the same action.
Top photo LS-03
Bottom photo LV-19

(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa242/daddyo12453/LS-03HB/IMG_1403_1_1.jpg)
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa242/daddyo12453/IMG_0541_1_5_1.jpg)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on April 23, 2009, 02:34:58 PM
   I knew that. Just had to add my 2cents worth of trying to be humorous! :thumb
     Jeff
   Lynn, also got your mailing. My wife is out buying a blackie for it! Thanks again! Let me know were your musical tastes lie. I might have something I can burn for you. And IMO, "Starless & Bibleblack" was the best Crimson LP. Yes, LP!. Ever hear of 'Animal Logic"? Stanley Clarke, Stewart Copeland, & some Canadian songwriter that sings & writes. She showed them her songs & the band was formed! They have 2 CD's, A.L. #1 & A.L.#2. Cool music with interesting lyrics. We all can get something out of them. Let me know. :wave
     Jeff   :guitar

Jeff,  Hope the iron-on looks good when you get it on there.  I'd like to see a picture of how yours looks if it comes out good.   I still haven't got myself a new black T to put one on yet. You don't need to repay me in any way but if you'd like to burn a cd that'd be great.   Surprise me.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 23, 2009, 02:39:32 PM
ditto for my f-III and my om-03. Three days after changing strings and the intonation is perfect. I think it takes time for the string to form a settled kink over the saddle.  Now it stays in tune and intonates properly, I am really loving this guitar.  The thicker neck really really suits my hands, and the thing just sounds fantastic.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on April 23, 2009, 02:47:07 PM
ditto for my f-III and my om-03. Three days after changing strings and the intonation is perfect. I think it takes time for the string to form a settled kink over the saddle.  Now it stays in tune and intonates properly, I am really loving this guitar.  The thicker neck really really suits my hands, and the thing just sounds fantastic.


Very good.  We shall move you from the "cautiously optimistic but concerned" list to the "Satisfied Customer" list.     I believe some are still in the "had high hopes but currently dissapointed" list.  Hope those individuals can make it to the "Totally Satisfied" list at some point.  If not, those Forum III's may end up on "Craig's List".


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 23, 2009, 02:54:34 PM
Jim set my action low like my other guitars and the saddle is quite a bit higher than my other Larrivee's.  So I'm sure the neck angle is a little different, which is great for the way I play.
Oh yea, Higher saddle looks healthier to me when action is still good.  :+1:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 23, 2009, 04:56:36 PM
Out of interest, does anyone have a forum III in the same or similar wood comos to an L body.  I would be interested to know what the comparison is, having never played an L.  The overall volume and bass surprises me, and it does get louder and better by the day.  It makes my OM seem very very quiet, and is more comaprable to the D-09 I had (although obviously not that loud or bassy).  Just interested in a direct comparison between the LS 12 fret and the L 14 fret in tone.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 23, 2009, 06:32:13 PM
   Ben, Jim emailed me this morning & told me mine was in & he'd set it up tomorrow & ship it. Asked him to wait 'till tomorrow to transfer funds. :crying: Knew it would come down to that, but such is life. Called him & asked him if he had any probs with the saddles, nuts, & tuners. He said he was aware of some things from posts on the forum, but he said all that came through him went out with no intonation probs. Seems to be just on the direct ship guitars. Also said he has had no problems with the tuners & once he showed people that came by for their F-III's how to tune a guitar properly, all was set. No tuning issues.
   Once I get mine, I'll post a comparison between my L-10 & the F-III. Might not be fair to compare a brand new guitar with a 15+ yr./old one. I'll let you know how it goes. The L-10 also has Schallers, so there  is a difference in the ratio of the tuners (18:1 on the Schallers, 14:1 on the mini Pings). And quality, IMO. Sorry about the confusion of your saddle. Now I remember the thread was about the -03 series.
   Flatlander, I flatpick, so I saked Jim to set up the action medium-low, because I play alot of blues & do hammer-ons & pull-offs. Do you think this is about right for my style with these F-III's? He set my SD-50 perfect, but he can't remember every setup he has done.
   Lynn, how does Madeleine Peyroux's "Dreamland" sound? Cool voice, & cool playing on a '43 Martin O-17 (all HOG!; right up your alley!)? You can read about her in AG mag. issue Feb. '08. Let me know. If not that, I'll do the "Animal Logic #2"; like that one a lttle better than #1. When I put the decal on, I'll post a pic for all to show off your high-end artwork!
     Jeff


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 23, 2009, 06:40:28 PM
    Called him & asked him if he had any probs with the saddles, nuts, & tuners. He said he was aware of some things from posts on the forum, but he said all that came through him went out with no intonation probs. Seems to be just on the direct ship guitars. Also said he has had no problems with the tuners & once he showed people that came by for their F-III's how to tune a guitar properly, all was set. No tuning issues.
 

Now I feel bad.  Can I clarify that the guitar had no intonation issies when I got it, it just wouldn't stay in tune.  Jim had set it up GREAT!  I am fully prepared to admit that the tuning issue was probably my fault.  Only when I changed out the strings did the intonation issue raise its head, and I think it was down to the new strings taking a long time to settle in, possibly because of the angle at the saddle.  The set up Jim did makes the guitar play incredibly smoothly!  I never complained about the saddle, I just noted it was much higher than my other guitars. 

I know I am ignorant, I was just searching for an explanation, not dissing the set up in any way.   Maybe I am being paranoid about being misinterpreted, but I have no access to a luthier, so thought the forum was the ideal place for answers.

Congrats on your forum III being with JH.  Not long now!!!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 23, 2009, 06:48:12 PM
   Ben, as I had suggested earlier, changing the strings would be your best bet to start with. Glad it worked. I'm still confused about the e string tuning prob. I think if it was the tuner, it would be slipping out of tune in a uniform fashion. Might just be a fret or frets that aren't seated properly. Or your capo use. Wouldn't do it myself. I'd wait to have a luthier look @ it & just play it & ignore the prob for now. But I would have the frets checked. See if you notice that any aren't seated all the way in the prob areas. Good luck!
     Jeff


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on April 23, 2009, 07:33:25 PM
Last night the LS-03R (day 5) wouldn't sound good to my ears so I put a capo on the 5th fret and loosened the strings enough to get the ends out and the bone saddle replaced with the original tusq saddle.  Tuned it up and took it for a spin.

Different timbre of sound but the strummed chords sounded better to my ears.  The notes seem to blend together better and have a little less string separation than the bone saddle produces.  Its too early to say the tusq is better, so I'll play a bunch more and report back.

So, how many FIII owners have tusq saddles in place? 



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 23, 2009, 07:41:39 PM
 
   Flatlander, I flatpick, so I saked Jim to set up the action medium-low, because I play alot of blues & do hammer-ons & pull-offs. Do you think this is about right for my style with these F-III's? He set my SD-50 perfect, but he can't remember every setup he has done.
       Jeff
If you're asking me about string height. Yea. Personal preference. I'm lucky. The Gallagher I would usually use for bluegrass, plays like butter. action isn't super low, in fact I put a new saddle on it to raise strings even though they weren't buzzing. Not too high though. For flatpickin to me low action is more about plain speed than Hammer-ons and pull-offs.
 For blues and boogie type stuff, even if I'm flatpickin, I like the L-10 because it responds so well to vibrato
and you can really get some stinging sounds out of it. It's set higher but  doesn't bother me with hammer-ons or pull-offs. It does make it a little harder to play fast and clean but for that kinda stuff it's more about grinding out the feeling than speed.  L-10 sounds great fingerpicked too. That's the thing about it. Versatile. Responds to how you play it.
 I never fine tuned the 000-60 and its on the high side.
In general I don't like too low of action as it seems to hurt tone/volume. I have very little tolerance for buzzing as well. But I want to be able to get around on it as well, so medium low. that sounds good.
 One thing I've been wondering about lately.......It seems a lot of people equate high action to flatpicking and low to fingerpicking. As I get more into fingerpicking lately, I do not find that it allows for lower action. An individual being string being plucked hard by a finger seems to actually need more room in order not to buzz.
 I'm sure I'm playing too hard as well. For one thing because that's what I tend to do, and for another I tend to play too hard til I really get something down. Then it mellows. I'm still forcing fingerpicking some.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 23, 2009, 07:42:50 PM
   Ben, as I had suggested earlier, changing the strings would be your best bet to start with. Glad it worked. I'm still confused about the e string tuning prob. I think if it was the tuner, it would be slipping out of tune in a uniform fashion. Might just be a fret or frets that aren't seated properly. Or your capo use. Wouldn't do it myself. I'd wait to have a luthier look @ it & just play it & ignore the prob for now. But I would have the frets checked. See if you notice that any aren't seated all the way in the prob areas. Good luck!
     Jeff

The intonation issue has gone, I don't understand it at all, but I am a happy chap now.  I was just speculating about why it happened when I restrung.  I was NOT having a go at Jim Holler, and whether you mean it or not, that is what your last couple of posts insinuate - please don't misunderstand why I posted what I did.  I regret asking the questions now, but this forum has been a constant source of knowledge for my stupid questions.

The guitar was PERFECT when I got it.  What went thereafter was most likely my fault entirely, hence why I sought advice.

I'll keep my mouth (keyboard) shut in future.  I'll go back to playing my guitar.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 23, 2009, 08:22:28 PM
It's cool Ben. I think he may have confused an audio tuner with string tuner. And I don't understand how a loose fret would change intonation unless it loosed itself up or down the fret board anyway. Buzz yes, intonation don't understand.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 23, 2009, 08:25:26 PM
The intonation issue has gone, I don't understand it at all, but I am a happy chap now.  I was just speculating about why it happened when I restrung.  I was NOT having a go at Jim Holler, and whether you mean it or not, that is what your last couple of posts insinuate - please don't misunderstand why I posted what I did.  I regret asking the questions now, but this forum has been a constant source of knowledge for my stupid questions.

The guitar was PERFECT when I got it.  What went thereafter was most likely my fault entirely, hence why I sought advice.

I'll keep my mouth (keyboard) shut in future.  I'll go back to playing my guitar.

Ben,

Take a DEEP breath.....

You weren't out of line and this is what the Forum is for. It will take awhile but in time maybe we'll actually get used to not being reamed for asking questions about Larrivee or questioning it's manufactor. I think every answer for awhile has been quite helpful. It's all good.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on April 23, 2009, 08:37:35 PM
Jeff
Madeleine Peyroux sounds interesting.   I would appreciate that.   
 


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on April 23, 2009, 09:17:43 PM
One thing I've been wondering about lately.......It seems a lot of people equate high action to flatpicking and low to fingerpicking. As I get more into fingerpicking lately, I do not find that it allows for lower action. An individual being string being plucked hard by a finger seems to actually need more room in order not to buzz.
 I'm sure I'm playing too hard as well. For one thing because that's what I tend to do, and for another I tend to play too hard til I really get something down. Then it mellows. I'm still forcing fingerpicking some.

I occasionally play to hard but most time I finger pick lightly and strum either with my fingernail or the skin on the side of my thumb, low action works well for me using this method.  If I use a flat pick to pick or strum it's usually the low E that buzzes because of my tendency to hit it harder, if I played like that all the time I would want my action higher.

Matt are you fingerpicking with nail or flesh?  Or a little of both?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 23, 2009, 09:27:35 PM
   Ben, i didn't mean to insinuate any thing about Jim & you. I didn't even know you had him set your's up until your previous post. You're getting like me: taking things too personal or reading into things too much. Never said anything about Jim's setup or your complaining about it. When you get a new guitar & things start happening, it's normally something you did & easily fixed. And you tend to fixate on it, because it drives you nuts. Again, I'm not referring to YOU directly, just a general you. I've done it before, think alot have, but calm down. I'm not attacking anyone. I would get Jeremy & his trusty sword for that! :humour:
   No question is stupid. None. They shouldn't be taken that way, by you or anyone. That's where being elitist would take over. Ask away. Some one will have an answer for you. Don't read so deep into the posts. Just because I started out speaking to you doesn't mean the whole post was directed @ you. I didn't, I'll repeat it, I didn't mention anything about Jim's setup. Like I said, I didn't even know he did it. Do me a small favor, quote me where i said what you're saying, Then I will apologize, which I did already for something I didn't even do. I DID mention in another post that you should change your strings first, on every guitar, before doing anything else. Too much coffee today? :humour: Relax, everything's cool. Really, it is. No foul, nor harm.
   Flatlander, I was only suggesting something because probably, yes, I was thinking of the tuning machine itself. That's the way it sounded. And a loose fret will cause buzz, but can also through off the contact point for the strings. They need to be seated properly to not be a factor. It's funny, Jim always does the same thing with the height of the strings. Tells me the SD is set low for fingerstyle, so for flatpicking, I want a medium setting. Had to tell him no, the medium low is best. I like a lower action, but not where buzzing is a factor. He was the first that I had heard refer to height that way.
   And Ben, again, never referred to Jim about the setup, was ignorant to the fact that he did it, & thought yours was a direct ship guitar.
   And Lynn, on a nice relaxed note, you got it. Just give me a few days, please? :thumb
     Jeff


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 23, 2009, 09:47:33 PM
Thanks Jeff

 Called him & asked him if he had any probs with the saddles, nuts, & tuners. He said he was aware of some things from posts on the forum, but he said all that came through him went out with no intonation probs.

This is the bit I was referring to - makes it look like Jim clearly thinks I have a problem with his set up, and you have been discussing it.  I appreciate that you didn't realise this was the case with my guitar, but that is how it looks.  To be clear, my last post is not a go at you, nor is this, I just feel that the way things have been worded, I need to clear my name.

 :cheers


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on April 23, 2009, 10:18:59 PM
I couldn't be happier with my LS-03MH. But after becoming accustomed to playing the wider necked LSV-11 I am having to clean up my fingering.

I love the direct and matter of fact crispness of mahogany. Jim's setup was perfect for me. I have enough string height to strum in my normal style. For this guitar a thinner pick works very well.

I posted some pics in the Pictures area, http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=26590.msg241562#msg241562

Norman


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 23, 2009, 10:29:10 PM
 :nice guitar: Norman - congratulations.  The neck and string spacing is different to all other guitars I have played, but after a week with it, I absolutely love it.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on April 23, 2009, 10:31:23 PM
Norm

Your guitar looks great!  I am still figuring out if I want a pickguard (Clear or Regular or none at all). I really like how your pickguard blends in pretty well and does not distract from the character of the wood.

I really like the coloring of your mahogany.

Jim sent me an email saying my all Hog LS looks amazing.  Better yet, I got a tracking number!  Woo Hoo!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 23, 2009, 10:34:45 PM
Norm,

I'm glad your fear wasn't realised once you and the guitar settled in. I think it's lovely. I seriously considered asking Jim to take a picture of mine just so I could see what it looked like,lol.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 24, 2009, 12:04:12 AM
   Ben, all things are cleared. Nothing was mentioned to Jim about setup problems done by him. We basically just discussed my setup & then the other points for about 20 secs.. No names, nothing of the sort. No problemo.
   People, now that things have "died down" with the balance due (with my wife), I can actually sit back & enjoy waiting for it's it's arrival. My LS-03 IS/HOG HB will be coming home to pappy! :bgrin:
   Norman, it took me about 2 secs. to get used to the 1& 7/8 neck on the SD. All of my guitars have different widths, so I adapt to each easily. Love the wider neck, like on your LSV-11. Since you fingerpick, it must be nice! I still owe you a call: I didn't forget. Just been busy trying to sell things & keep all happy! Talk soon. :nana_guitar
     Jeff
   


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 24, 2009, 12:46:53 AM
Matt are you fingerpicking with nail or flesh?  Or a little of both?
If you've been following the bouncing ball you know I've just been realy digging into fingerpicking the last 2 or 3 months.
I spent about a year learning BASIC banjo. Half the reason was to take it back to guitar.
 So anyway, I'm experimenting with right hand position, proper classical, pinky anchor and wrist resting on bridge, I think I'll be flexable
on that depending on what I'm playing. And Holly, know that fret killer rest his wrist on bridge sometimes.
 Mostly going with the fingerpicks right now but bare fingers I like as well. I like the tone and have better control with bare fingers but want to be heard when I play with others. I know I need to chill and not pick as hard. I was playing with that while son was at soccer practice, making myself play with not as much force, and it yielded better control. I'm wide open at anytime for tips on fingerpicking while I'm formulating my bad habits!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: aardvark on April 24, 2009, 01:05:34 AM
Just thought I would add my two cents in here on fingerpicking, for what its worth.  I have tried fingerpicks but just couldn't get into it, I always thought the picks gave the guitar a thin sound.  Too much fingernail also does the same thing.  So I have just a little bit of nail and a lot of flesh on the string.  Gives a warmer if slightly dampened sound so I grab the string a bit harder.  It helps if your guitar has good bass response, like the Forum III.  What I've learned over the years is not be timid about plucking the strings.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 24, 2009, 01:36:45 AM
I know it sounds wimpy but I've always used the Classical method. It's very gentle and subtle but it sounds precise and more importantly, consistant. If volume is a major issue, I'd be looking at a pick up instead of trying to force something that isn't meant to be forced. Try simply drawing the tip of your finger across the string and allowing the nail to follow through.

DO NOT HOOK YOUR FINGER. The bend should happen naturally. If I'm recalling correctly, it's all from the first finger joint. After the first knuckle needs to be relaxed. Shake your fingers out and REALX your hand. Less really is more. I can't play much of anything. But, what I can play sounds lovely and precise and you can draw a lot more feeling and emphasis when it flows from your center rather than picking it out with a digit.

If you have to be aware of how hard you are plucking a string, it's not flowing, it's not a natural movement and it will sound forced. I think peple don't realise any musical intrument is played with really, most of the body working in unison. I don't know if that makes any sense and probabaly sounds a little 'wax on, wax off' but I stick by it.

Matt, you know like a bagiliiion more than I do about music, thoery and playing. But hey, you asked,lol. I continue to be amazed at how much can be gotten out of a guitar with precise, deliberate movements. Ok, I don't strum at all, so take that for what it's worth. But I will say playing relaxed and not feeling as if I have to keep up or be as loud, is key. Or, you know, would be if I was playing with people. Ack!

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 24, 2009, 02:11:43 AM
Thanks, that was a good disciption on proper technique. Yes I need to get it flowing. Part of it is also not having to concentrate on Thumb or Fingers seperately, Right now I'm switching my main concentration back and forth. Leaning towards the thumb right now as it is more unruley. Thanks


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: gusto5 on April 24, 2009, 05:30:14 AM
Those beauties...If only I had discovered Larrivees earlier!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 24, 2009, 09:30:53 AM
Those beauties...If only I had discovered Larrivees earlier!
:bgrin: :bgrin: :bgrin:   1982...............Then you could say you were spoiled long ago.
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee5/e0046845/old%20larrivee%20pics/07.jpg)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 24, 2009, 11:35:16 AM
The thumb is something I still work on, there's a happy medium between BOOM la la la and no bass, I'm sure of it....

Some songs sound great with that separation but I'm finding I have a tendency to almost use it as punctuation and if I'm not paying attention it develops more of a leaden sound. Then if i use it evenly throughout it looses definition. Some passages you want to draw attention to, it's just figuring out where those are and not being ham fisted about the whole thing.

Playing Cohen is where it gets tricky for me, there's a rolling quality to his music but there is also room for intensity and I'm trying to feel that intensity without it traveling down to my thumb. I don't think music needs to be spelled out in order to get across, you know?

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 24, 2009, 12:42:22 PM
I don't think music needs to be spelled out in order to get across, you know?

I count on it!
I do like a strong thumb though. I've got more of a Travis mentality. I was lucky enough 20+ years ago to have a very good friend who also lived with me for a couple of the years, that was a great finger picker.
His thumb was strong, accurate and like a clock. That's whats ingrained in the brain. But if your gonna play the thumb hard it can't be just meandering like a lost puppy. That's what I'm concentrated on now.
Perhaps I'll send you an MP3 of a song or 2 of Tom's. I recorded that Jewel of a picker shortly before he died.
Quite the charactor too, to say the least.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: vates on April 24, 2009, 12:56:51 PM
:bgrin: :bgrin: :bgrin:   1982...............Then you could say you were spoiled long ago.
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee5/e0046845/old%20larrivee%20pics/07.jpg)


Wow! A great picture! And then... a very cool guitar.  :nice guitar:
Or should I say über-cool for a campfire guitar  :wink:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 24, 2009, 02:17:21 PM
I count on it!
I do like a strong thumb though. I've got more of a Travis mentality. I was lucky enough 20+ years ago to have a very good friend who also lived with me for a couple of the years, that was a great finger picker.
His thumb was strong, accurate and like a clock. That's whats ingrained in the brain. But if your gonna play the thumb hard it can't be just meandering like a lost puppy. That's what I'm concentrated on now.
Perhaps I'll send you an MP3 of a song or 2 of Tom's. I recorded that Jewel of a picker shortly before he died.
Quite the charactor too, to say the least.


Please do. I have to find some music that fits Travis picking. I'm a little stuck because what I like to play doesn't accommodate it well and what it's used for a great deal of the time, doesn't appeal to me. One of the funniest guitar moments I've had so far is realising I was picking 'Who By Fire' like it was a 'Yippee Ki Yay' cowboy tune...

With consistency it's great, but like you said, if it's wandering about it's just disctracting. I'd like to get to a comfort level where I can play different patterns in the same song. Or tweak the one I'm using. It's remarkable to me, the infinite ways you can play the same pattern or hw the use of the slightest pause carries so much intent. But it's an art, otherwise it's like 'Ok, and HERE is the dramatic part...'

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 24, 2009, 03:37:55 PM
   Flatlander, nice pic & nice guitar! :nice guitar: That's about 11 years before I got my L-10. Knew of them somewhat, but didn't think I could afford one. Boy, how $ makes a difference. Came into a settlement & ordered my L-10 Custom in '93.  Unfortunately, my earliest pic, other than an electric, is of me playing a Flammang HOG OM (spruce top).
   Looks like you're flatpicking there, might be wrong. When did you start fingerpicking? It sounds like you have it down pretty well. I don't fingerpick because of my upside- down playing, about the only real thing I regret about learning that way. Once started, couldn't switch. Have overcome "adversity" & have it down well now. Wish I could learn to fingerpick. Anyone know of any "Albert King" style players, like me, that can fingerpick? I'd love to contact someone.
   Again, nice guitar & now you've "aged" yourself. Probably like a fine wine, I'm sure! :humour:
     Jeff


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bhika on April 24, 2009, 03:43:54 PM
   Wish I could learn to fingerpick. Anyone know of any "Albert King" style players, like me, that can fingerpick? I'd love to contact someone.
   Jeff

Elizibeth Cotton fingerpicked with a guitar strung upside down. There a some You Tube videos of her.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 24, 2009, 04:38:20 PM
   Flatlander, nice pic & nice guitar! :nice guitar: That's about 11 years before I got my L-10. Knew of them somewhat, but didn't think I could afford one. Boy, how $ makes a difference. Came into a settlement & ordered my L-10 Custom in '93.  Unfortunately, my earliest pic, other than an electric, is of me playing a Flammang HOG OM (spruce top).
   Looks like you're flatpicking there, might be wrong. When did you start fingerpicking? It sounds like you have it down pretty well. I don't fingerpick because of my upside- down playing, about the only real thing I regret about learning that way. Once started, couldn't switch. Have overcome "adversity" & have it down well now. Wish I could learn to fingerpick. Anyone know of any "Albert King" style players, like me, that can fingerpick? I'd love to contact someone.
   Again, nice guitar & now you've "aged" yourself. Probably like a fine wine, I'm sure! :humour:
     Jeff

Maybe I'm missing something, but why can't you just learn it another way? If you got to this level learning it one way and are willing to start over learning another, then why not? It's not like all your fingers fell off or can only go in one direction. Why can't you switch? I just think you are creating an obstacle that doesn't exist and selling yourself terribly short in the process.

You had to learn one way, seems you can learn another. Imean, you had to learn a HARD way, fcol. This might even be easier. I do beleive that your skill now will carry over and greatly aid in the process. Give yourself more credit.

No offense intended, I'm just sayin'...

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: hawkeye99 on April 24, 2009, 08:18:36 PM
Are there any Canadians out there that had their Forum III guitars sent to Trinity Guitar and then shipped back to Canada. My guitar was accidentally sent there and I'm worried about brokerage fees now.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 24, 2009, 08:36:37 PM
I would hope that the party who committed the error would cover that. That would be my expectation.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: es-335 on April 24, 2009, 08:46:48 PM
these guitars are very well built :) I am very happy with it!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 24, 2009, 09:32:16 PM
   #1- holly, I've been playing like this for over 30 yrs., so it's not that easy to do. I'm destined to play this way & can't learn lefty (I'm lefthanded). Totaly freak me out! It's not as easy, as I said, to start over @ 51 & learn again. Besides, I play well, am content with my playing, & missed out on 1 person in my area years ago that fingerpicked playing like I do. I know of one other person in CT that plays this way, so it is fate & grows on me like holly! :humour:
   #2-bhika- I don't change the strings around, just turn turn whole guitar around & play. Lots have played the way you said (hendrix the first to come to mind), but only a handful play like I do. They play right-handed guitars restrung righty. I don't. If you saw me playing, you wouldn't be able to figure out WHAT I was playing. It would all be backwards to you! And absolutly confusing. My brother, who's a pro guitarist, just listens to what I'm playing or I call the chords out to him. Sound like fun? Try taking  a lefty, turning it righty, then you'll be where I'm @. Makes sense? :?
     Jeff


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 24, 2009, 09:55:41 PM
Are there any Canadians out there that had their Forum III guitars sent to Trinity Guitar and then shipped back to Canada. My guitar was accidentally sent there and I'm worried about brokerage fees now.

No, I believe all Canadian Forum IIIs either left Vancouver with us personally or were shipped directly. Yes, brokerage fees will definitely be incurred. I think you should contact Jim.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: gusto5 on April 25, 2009, 05:52:08 AM
:bgrin: :bgrin: :bgrin:   1982...............Then you could say you were spoiled long ago.
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee5/e0046845/old%20larrivee%20pics/07.jpg)

Wasn't born yet! Guess you need to be older to be spoiled!  :humour:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 25, 2009, 10:57:21 AM
No, you can still be spoiled! All being older makes you is old. Glad to see we have some younger folks here gusto. :donut :donut2


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 25, 2009, 11:52:14 AM
   What's this I hear about a forum guitar :?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on April 25, 2009, 01:14:48 PM
   What's this I hear about a forum guitar :?

Welcome back old friend!!!!!!!

Honored to share your company again!

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Denis on April 25, 2009, 02:21:44 PM
   What's this I hear about a forum guitar :?

Howdy stranger!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 25, 2009, 02:30:13 PM
Welcome back old friend!!!!!!!

Honored to share your company again!

Jordan.
  Ditto
Howdy stranger!
  Howdy,    I sure did enjoy your "you tube" F-III video  :thumbsup  :guitar nice playing Denis.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 25, 2009, 07:49:04 PM
  Norm and I met in a dinky town in central Texas, had a nice lunch and pie. Then walked next door and sat on a porch and played tunes for an hour or so. It was too short. But we had a good time.
   People were walking by and some would come up, one lady walked right up next to me and joined in singing a lively southern gospel song "Jesus your alive".
   Those little F-III's punched out the sound and I have grown bolder in my singing so I let er rip on several tunes. Of course I had to fingerpick "For my Lady" and Norm strummed the Chords. We both have MH/IS models and they are lively little strummers, playing in the open air for the first time really showed off that they can dig in and push out some clear tones with nice bass. This was to both of our delights.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on April 25, 2009, 08:41:31 PM
Amen, brother.

Far from the big city, big covered front porch volunteered by a local real estate company, and surprise, free WiFi from the cafe!

Norman

I have a pic on my cell phone, will post it later tonight. Fun is over, time for some honey dos.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Denis on April 25, 2009, 09:11:24 PM
  Ditto  Howdy,    I sure did enjoy your "you tube" F-III video  :thumbsup  :guitar nice playing Denis.

Cheers Danny.  Welcome back.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on April 26, 2009, 03:05:53 AM
Since we talked about the daring downhome duo I thought I would post this picture of Danny and #1 on the front porch of the Round Top Realty office. They wouldn't let us play inside, but offered us the sheltered exposure of their nice porch. We had a great time, didn't even draw the constable's attention. At one point a lady stepped up on the porch, asked where we were in the music, and sang the rest of the song with us.

Norman

Conveniently I took the picture and didn't have to show myself.  :humour:

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on April 26, 2009, 03:10:38 AM
Hey guys...

Thats a totally cool picture of Danny.  I think they should have paid you guys given you were attracting potential customers to the real estate office front door...hehehehe.

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: ryler on April 26, 2009, 01:52:23 PM


I'm so happy to see Danny's face.  Welcome back.

Cathi


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on April 26, 2009, 02:26:37 PM

I'm so happy to see Danny's face.  Welcome back.

Cathi
  Hi Cathi, thanks for the e-mails. I'd like to meet you someday and play some tunes. I think you are in Tadol's neck of the woods. Maybe next time Tad, Tuffy and I "git" together you could join in. We sure had a good time a few weeks ago at Tuffy's house.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 26, 2009, 03:22:52 PM
I've said a few things in a few different thread lately that probably don't add up, and read on their own don't paint the right picture. 

When the guitar arrived, it blew me away how good it looked, and how loud and articulate it sounded.  Surpassed all my expectations.  However, during the first evening of playing it, I spent about half my time tuning and retuning it, with no success.  5 minutes playing, and it was all over the place.  This got no better over three days, so I changed strings.  It stayed in tune from the word go, but the intonation was weirdly now miles out on the A string, and even more noticably on the low E string.  Within three days this issue dissapeared, so I have no idea what the problem was with it.  It is now ABSOLUTELY PERFECT!  It plays so well for a mix of fingerstyle and light fingers only strumming.  An absolute joy.

This guitar just makes everything else I have played look inferior.  Granted I have never played any top end stuff, and expect that there is a big gulf in quality and playability, but compared to all the others I have played, this one takes the prize.  I seriously could not be happier.  It has given me a real boost to learn more too, which is great.

So what do I do now?  This guitar plays great in std tuning, and drop D and double drop D, which are the three main tunings I play songs in just now.  I want to learn more DADGAD, and it is great for that too.  Below that, this guitar just doesn't work for me.  It sounds dull, and the tuning is less than stable.  (I play Caledonia in CGCGCE, capoed up 3 frets - and it sounds pretty bad compared to my OM-03).  However, apart from these very low tunings, I have no reason to pick up my OM-03 at all.  The F-III does it all better.  I haven't found the 12 fret neck to hamper my playing.  For some songs I go as far as you can up the neck, but I have not found any songs that need me to go past it yet.

So my question really is, if I continue to try to learn more fingerstyle, is the F-III going to be all I need, or am I going to need dropped tunings and more clear frets in the future.  Is the OM-03 a waste sitting in my bedroom?  I am seriously toying with selling it, but have this niggling doubt that I will miss these factors in the future, even if they do not bother me now.

My other option is to save and trade the OM-03 for a used OMV-50, which will have all the bling and tick the boxes that the F-III doesn't.  But then am I wasting my time on a nice blingy guitar, when the F-III would sound and play better anyway?  What else is there out there that would be different enough from the F-III to warrant changing?

I love my OM-03, but I feel sorry for it sitting in its case without being played.  Someone else would probably love it.  I know a person looking for a good guitar, but he has played my F-III, so he probably will feel the same as me, lol.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 26, 2009, 03:28:52 PM
Consider it being on vacation.  I don't think there's any shame in having more than one guitar, it's not like it's going to expire. Besides, you don't know where you will be in a few years music wise or if say, your boy decides he wants to play, stuff like that.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: ryler on April 26, 2009, 03:36:57 PM
Ben,

Personally, I would make no selling decisions for awhile.  Until the F-III is thoroughly explored..and time is needed for that.  Opinions change, needs from your guitar change, etc.  Oh, and what about keeping the OM-03 in CGCGCE tuning and making it a point to learn more songs in that tuning? 

Next year or 6 months down the road is when I would really evaluate if the ol' OM has a place in your music room or not.  Just trying to prevent "seller's remorse".


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on April 26, 2009, 04:20:17 PM
I've got the same issue with my D-03.  I haven't touched it since my FIII arrived and its just sitting there all lonely   :ohmy:

I know everyone is sick of all the gushing about the FIII guitars but there is something special about this guitar.  I wish I could put my finger on what that is.  Maybe its just so easy to play...regardless of what you want to play (which is what Ben said in his longer post).  Maybe thats the best way to sum it up.

I think I'm going to put my D-03 up in the For Sale section....

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on April 26, 2009, 05:46:43 PM
I've got the same issue with my D-03.  I haven't touched it since my FIII arrived and its just sitting there all lonely   :ohmy:

I know everyone is sick of all the gushing about the FIII guitars but there is something special about this guitar.  I wish I could put my finger on what that is.  Maybe its just so easy to play...regardless of what you want to play (which is what Ben said in his longer post).  Maybe thats the best way to sum it up.

I think I'm going to put my D-03 up in the For Sale section....Jordan.

Unless you are a collector of guitars, why not sell a guitar that you don't play as much, and let someone else experience Larrivee?  Except for DaveG's OM-03R, I've never been enthralled with Larrivee's OM guitars.  The L models have always out-shined them to my ears.  The Guitar Emporium in Seattle always has lots to sample at one time.

Back to FIII, after a week I'm still not gushing about my LS-03R.  But with Tusq saddle back in I'm liking the sound more and more.  It is more pleasing to my ears than my 30+ year old rosewood dread (both have new strings).  But it has a ways to go to rival my D-18GE. 

For my ears, Tusq is better for strumming as well as fast fingerpicking on the FIII.  I'll put the bone saddle back in after I put some non-coated strings on and let them age a week or more (with Tusq on).  Then perhaps it will be clearer which saddle I should stick with.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: gtrplayer on April 26, 2009, 06:42:20 PM
Quote
But it has a ways to go to rival my D-18GE. 

hey prof__stack,

And that's the mistake I make, comparing my Forum III to my other guitars.  Soundwise there is no gushing with my Forum III either however hope springs eternal.  With plenty of play time who knows.  Just can't help wondering how it would of sounded with a sitka top.  To me the IS top lacks the warmth of sitka and comes across as cold and harsh.  But I'll still wait it out, for awhile at least.

gtrplayer


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flathead on April 26, 2009, 07:32:28 PM
Ben don't sell

1. Having a 2nd guitar is like money in the bank. If you sell it, that money may get appropriated for something else.

2. Some times you can make a better deal trading guitars than buying and selling.

3. It's great to have a second guitar if a friend or stranger happens buy and you discover that they play. I never leave the house to play with only one guitar, and have made myself and others happy  by letting others join in.
 Flathead. 


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 26, 2009, 07:34:41 PM
and besides, what if something happens to 'the' guitar?

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: ST on April 26, 2009, 07:37:39 PM
Hi Folks,

I was lucky enough to get to the Larrivée factory tour and Forum III  get-together.  The people who were there may remember just how much I enjoyed playing and hearing several of the Forum III Guitars. It was a wonderful time.

If there had been another like Danny's available (right then), I would have plunked down the cash and taken it home. No second thoughts, no regrets.

Later, Jim Holler and I had a talk to see what was available and by then some of the excitement of the moment had passed. I have since had a little more time to pull out some dusty cases and visit old friends. It's not that I've got so many, but that I tend to play the instruments that I take out for live shows. The others don't get a lot of play time.

Back to the point.

I thought the Forum III's that I saw and heard were wonderful instruments. I would love to have one. It probably wouldn't get played a lot. I am most comfortable with an L-Body with a cutaway. Just suits what I do best. So what happened at the get-together? Knowing what I know, and what I ultimately decided (at least for now) not to do... why was I so enthralled with the Forum III's?

Well, when people ask me, "What's your favourite Guitar?" the answer is always the same.

The one I'm playing.


Love the One You're With (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3kSaNY-B2M).


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 26, 2009, 07:46:06 PM
and besides, what if something happens to 'the' guitar?

holly
:ohmy: :ohmy:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 26, 2009, 08:38:20 PM
Ben don't sell

1. Having a 2nd guitar is like money in the bank. If you sell it, that money may get appropriated for something else.

2. Some times you can make a better deal trading guitars than buying and selling.

3. It's great to have a second guitar if a friend or stranger happens buy and you discover that they play. I never leave the house to play with only one guitar, and have made myself and others happy  by letting others join in.
 Flathead. 
4. If you use open tunings a lot, you could have one for that and perhaps put thicker guage strings on it for better tone when tuned down.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: pennerblue on April 26, 2009, 09:33:49 PM
Hey Ben- I agree with the masses.  WAIT!  (Unless you really need the cash...)

Don't make a rash decision.  As Holly (I think) said, you future playing preferences may change, and the OM may be "just the ticket"...

Also, as mentioned, you can sometimes get a much better deal on a trade than a sale.

There's plenty of time.  Wait for the FIII honeymoon to expire.  Then wait a bit longer...

I thought about selling my L03R to get the FIII, now I'm very glad I didn't.

Penner

PS:  Congratulations on finding guitar Valhalla.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 26, 2009, 09:36:18 PM
Advice appreciated, I agree that I will hold onto the OM for just now.  It is a great guitar, and I particularly agree that I could meet anyone anytime who plays.  The chance to jam with another player is something that I haven't really had for years, so it would be a real shame if the opportunity arose and was missed for that reason.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: teh on April 26, 2009, 11:42:40 PM
Don't Sell. You have two great guitars and you've already paid the freight on both of them . Here are two other suggestions:

1) Set them both on guitar stands in different tunings so that you can easily switch back and forth. Put them back in the case when you are done for the day. I played my OM-35 last night, my D-35 this afternoon and am playing my parlor tonight.

2) Loan one of them to a good guitar playing buddy. My son has had my 12 String Larrivee for three weeks while I have been out of town. While I was gone, my D-35 went to Tennessee with me and my Backpacker made another recent road trip.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on April 27, 2009, 02:05:20 PM
Eureka!

I was in the "slightly underwhelmed" category with my F-III over the past couple of weeks.  Finally got around to putting some EJ16s on there (uncoated) and it made a huge difference.  Someone has mentioned before that getting a decent sounding open G chord was difficult with his F-III.  I had the same problem until I changed strings.  Now the overall sound is noticeably better and intonation/tuning seems to have been corrected.  . 

Maybe I just dislike coated strings, though I've never tried EXPs, but either way everything now seems much less muted and tight.

Adam


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 27, 2009, 02:08:34 PM

1) Set them both on guitar stands in different tunings so that you can easily switch back and forth. Put them back in the case when you are done for the day. I played my OM-35 last night, my D-35 this afternoon and am playing my parlor tonight.


Now that is a good idea.  Even just having the OM tuned to DADGAD would encourage me to play it rather than retune the LS. 

 :donut


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 27, 2009, 02:23:05 PM
And don't forget, if you want, try putting slightly higher guage string on 1-2-6 for better tone if OM stays tuned
down on those strings.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 27, 2009, 02:26:21 PM
And don't forget, if you want, try putting slightly higher guage string on 1-2-6 for better tone if OM stays tuned
down on those strings.

Are there sets available for such a purpose, or do you have to make your own up?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 27, 2009, 05:52:49 PM
I just have a stash of various guages but 1 wound and 2 unwound should be less than 4 bucks here.
There are places on web in states where you can get custom sets or buy single strings cheap. For me I'm used to keeping extra 1st,2nd &3rd strings because I like an unusual combination on L and dread of light bass strings and medium trebles. But now I've found sets like that.
 Anyway, if you are using mediums already on OM, for me that would probably be fine but if you're using
lights consider getting a 56 for 6th string, 17 for 2nd and 13 for 1st. That way the tension stays up and makes more sound when in DADGAD. Worth checking out anyway if you're gonaa keep one tuned there.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 27, 2009, 06:01:17 PM
here Ben. Another in a second I think.....
http://www.thesession.org/discussions/display/14975

Well there's bunch of info and sites to get strings cheap out there. You can get "unpackaged" strings dirt cheap as well in bulk, some come in straight box, not coiled up and for the price of 3 sets you get 10 sets!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on April 28, 2009, 12:36:58 AM
This one is too easy, I'll pass on a specific comment Tuffy. 


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on April 28, 2009, 12:49:19 AM
Joseph
had second thoughts and removed my post. ....  didn't want to offend anyone.  And now, of course, your post makes no sense.  sorry :blush:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on April 28, 2009, 01:06:52 AM
...not too much different than many of my posts then... :roll


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on April 28, 2009, 02:49:10 AM
Dang, late again.  I seem to miss the good stuff that goes on around here.
Second thought, Lynn wouldn't start anything. He's very politically correct.  :laughin:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on April 28, 2009, 04:23:44 AM
No, He only lets the bombshells rip bout once a month. His timer just hasn't gone off yet.
I'm just trying to fingure out what he  could have done with DADGAD or bulk straight strings that could
possibly have been in questionable taste? ? :?  But I used used to think cookies for kids was pretty innocent subject too.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 28, 2009, 05:17:20 AM
   Ben, as I think you've already decided & all have convinced you to, you really should have a minimum of 2 guitars. The idea of tuning one differently is cool, so you could just swap for different songs or styles. Don't know why you would only want one anyway. We all get a little bored of the same instrument @ times, each one inspiring us in a different way. And, like holly said, God forbid something happens to one of them. Then you'd be up a crick with no paddle (PA style talking)! Unless you're going to upgrade to a better fingerpicking guitar, if you feel you find one, keep them both. Then when your chops are up to par, get your dream picker, if that's what you're looking for & haven't found yet.
   My F-III will be here on Weds, have never played one, so can't comment on them. I've had my L-10, L-09, J-09, L-05, OM-05 (@ Jim's for sale), OM-03SP (Jim sold that one also), my recently acquired SD-50, & my soon to arrive LS-03 IS/HOG HB. Those are just my Larrivees I've gone through. Have had newer Gibsons, 2 Flammangs,a Dana Bourgeois, some Epiphones, Martins,Guilds. I could go on for a while. And thats just in the last 25 yrs.. Always come back to Larrivees for some reason. Gee, there must be some reason, & I bet it isn't the "best guitar for the buck" line. Just love the way they play & sound, & hate to be a hypocrite, best value for your $ almost anywhere. What you have are 2 great guitars, so since you don't seem to have a music store located within 15 mins. of you  like I have (2 high-end stores!), & many others within 1/2 hr., hang on to them until you grow old & get alot better. Then you mightfinally decide that maybe it's time to finally invest in one super-duper fingerpickin/flatpickin git that will hold you over the rest of your life. Doesn't sound like GAS is an issue here, just boredom. Tune 'em up differently, like most have said, throw a different gauge on for fingerstyle, get 2 stands, & have a blast! Isn't this what it's all about in the end anyway?
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: highervista on April 28, 2009, 08:02:04 AM
My impressions about the FIII:

What I have: #22, hog b/s, cut-away, herringbone purfling, installed i-Mix. Great set-up by Trinity guitars, BTW (thanks!).

I love the way this guitar sounds and at the price that I paid.... wow. What I don't like: the tuners. I use a lot of open tunings and these tuners (Ping tuners?) aren't my cup of tea. They will hold one tuning (like standard tuning) just fine, but I switch around tunings quite a lot, especially playing out, these tuners just don't seem to work well. I'm playing out this weekend and was planning to take the FIII exclusively, but the tuner thing really bothers me... I'll probably take the FIII and a Huss and Dalton OM (as a backup to the FIII) if I find myself frustrated with this. I'll swap the tuners out on the FIII soon.  Enough said (my 2 cents of course  -- others may not have the same tuner "OCD" that I have).

The guitar is well built, sounds better than another custom OM (name not mentioned) that I had built for twice the $. Satin finish on the entire body -- my first experience and I think this will work our nicely.

Ron


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on April 28, 2009, 11:53:37 AM
My impressions about the FIII:

What I have: #22, hog b/s, cut-away, herringbone purfling, installed i-Mix. Great set-up by Trinity guitars, BTW (thanks!).

I love the way this guitar sounds and at the price that I paid.... wow. What I don't like: the tuners. I use a lot of open tunings and these tuners (Ping tuners?) aren't my cup of tea. They will hold one tuning (like standard tuning) just fine, but I switch around tunings quite a lot, especially playing out, these tuners just don't seem to work well. I'm playing out this weekend and was planning to take the FIII exclusively, but the tuner thing really bothers me... I'll probably take the FIII and a Huss and Dalton OM (as a backup to the FIII) if I find myself frustrated with this. I'll swap the tuners out on the FIII soon.  Enough said (my 2 cents of course  -- others may not have the same tuner "OCD" that I have).

The guitar is well built, sounds better than another custom OM (name not mentioned) that I had built for twice the $. Satin finish on the entire body -- my first experience and I think this will work our nicely.

Ron

Congrats Ron.  I don't like the pings all that much either, but when I change tunings I am not having the issues you are.  I do notice that to Schaller's or Gotoh are easier to get into tune because the gear ratio makes it easy to hit your target.  On these pings, I tend to tune right past the pitch and then readjust a couple times.  But they are always holding the pitch for me.  If you have a bad set of tuners maybe Larrivee can send you a set to swap with out with.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 28, 2009, 11:55:28 AM
That's an interesting point regarding alternate tunings and would jive with Ben's experience. I can't stand the Pings for a few reasons and they will go asap. Anyone got a spare set set of Schallers they'd want to barter for?

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on April 28, 2009, 12:21:51 PM
It really blows that Larrivee decided to use the ping mini's on the FIII's because there really isn't a replacement tuner that I like that would drop in without having to fill holes.  I even have a real nice new set of Gotoh 510s that I bought for my FIII because I assumed they would drop right in and replace the standard pings.  Oh well, mine work fine and the Gotoh's have graced my FI guitar.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on April 28, 2009, 04:00:32 PM
These (http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/Guitar,_solid_peghead_tuners/1/Schaller_M-6_Mini_Guitar_Machines/Pictures.html#details) look like they would work


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on April 28, 2009, 04:05:45 PM
Or maybe these (http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/Guitar,_solid_peghead_tuners/Gotoh_Midsize_510_Tuners_with_Black_Plastic_Knobs_3L3R.html)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on April 28, 2009, 04:32:49 PM
Tadol can advise on which size Gotohs drop in.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 28, 2009, 04:52:45 PM
Minis? Did I miss (yet again) something? That bumps the cost up for sure. I guess I'll use the cash my guitar (that is arriving tommorrow)is stuffed with to replace them.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: es-335 on April 28, 2009, 05:14:24 PM
are you guys having problems with your tuners?

I am very satisfied with my tuning machines!

I wouldn't want to change a thing on mine :)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on April 28, 2009, 06:01:36 PM
These (http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/Guitar,_solid_peghead_tuners/1/Schaller_M-6_Mini_Guitar_Machines/Pictures.html#details) look like they would work

YES they would.  There are a set of Gotohs out there that works too, I can't remember the model but there's a thread about it...but neither of these have an aesthetic improvement the way the 510's would.

Or maybe these (http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/Guitar,_solid_peghead_tuners/Gotoh_Midsize_510_Tuners_with_Black_Plastic_Knobs_3L3R.html)
Nope.  Those are the 510s and they definitely don't work, I speak from 1st hand experience.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on April 28, 2009, 06:05:15 PM
Minis? Did I miss (yet again) something? That bumps the cost up for sure. I guess I'll use the cash my guitar (that is arriving tommorrow)is stuffed with to replace them.

holly

What were you expecting, Waverly's?  :roll


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Stephen Basil on April 28, 2009, 06:25:41 PM
Gotoh SG 360's are the Schaller M-^ mini knock off':

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: highervista on April 28, 2009, 07:40:27 PM
I don't have an issue whatsoever with how the guitar was delivered and even the use of pings. I typically replace tuners after some time anyway. I've burned through 3 sets of Grovers over my 35 years of playing ... please don't mistake my impression as negative. Because of my constant tuning (I use at least 13 tunings and will retune quickly between songs) and my requirements for tuners may be different than some players. I love the way that the FIII was built, set-up, and delivered. It sounds great. The tuners are really my issue... due to how and what tunes I play. This is a beautiful sounding guitar and it's a keeper. 

BTW, I ordered some mini-Schaller's on eBay that someone had used.

Hope everyone is enjoying the guitar as much as I am.

Ciao, Ron :+1:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 28, 2009, 08:25:39 PM
What were you expecting, Waverly's?  :roll

Nope. I was expecting Schaller.

I went to StewMac, I could have sworn they had less expensice Schaller tuners, all black for about $35. That's where I bought all my previous replacement tuners. But now they just have the three. Hmmm.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 28, 2009, 08:44:51 PM
Nevermind, I'm thinking of these http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/Guitar,_solid_peghead_tuners/Gotoh_Large_Schaller-style_Knob_Tuners.html (http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/Guitar,_solid_peghead_tuners/Gotoh_Large_Schaller-style_Knob_Tuners.html) but those won't work.

I'm a little fried, my bank (the one run by a man with no soul, apprently) just charged me $35 because my account was short 90 cents. I'd like to sing him a tune....

No matter, so it's mini's then.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: teh on April 28, 2009, 09:04:42 PM
Sorry to hear that. As Mark Twain once said: "A banker is someone who will loan you an umbrella when the sun is shining and ask you to give it back when it starts raining."


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 28, 2009, 09:13:06 PM
Did Mark say it was OK to stick the umbrella through his cold, black heart? And then twist it? Cause I'm all over that...

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 28, 2009, 11:50:20 PM
   Joseph, found a thread from years ago with a post made by Matt Larrivee,Admin., with 218 posts! Long time ago, but he swears by the Pingwells (Pings), all versions included. He included a thread, but it didn't work to take you to it. here it is. Good luck!
www.larriveeforum.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=2at=42 (http://www.larriveeforum.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=2at=42)
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 28, 2009, 11:52:36 PM
   Page isn't showing any more. Google Pingwell tuners & see what you get. Some mention of being used on Baby Taylors & Big Baby Taylors.
   Sorry. :?
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: LaminateBoy on April 29, 2009, 03:02:29 PM

 my bank (the one run by a man with no soul, apprently)

No need to explain the obvious.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on April 29, 2009, 09:15:12 PM
Did Mark say it was OK to stick the umbrella through his cold, black heart? And then twist it? Cause I'm all over that...

holly


I think Twain would have been fine with that. He became quite the misanthropist later in life...

I have an umbrella you can borrow.

Any bank that would do that doesn't deserve yours or anyone else's business.

Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: hawkeye99 on April 29, 2009, 09:25:22 PM
Are we supposed to get a tracking number before or when they ship the guitar out? I'm still patiently waiting.


Robert.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 29, 2009, 09:28:41 PM


Well, I got my guitar today and here are a few of my observations.  Take with a salt hill because I'm a novice. The top isn't as white as I thought it would be, in fact, I'm going to take a pic of my Bubinga which has the whitest top I have ever seen, next to it. As soon as we get some sun. This is neither here nor there.

I like the rosette. I chose Mahogany purely for practical reasons since I have a RW OM and since seeing the pics of the RW's coming out was sort of kicking myself. Mahogany doesn't thrill me aesthetically, it's nice, but thrilling, not so much. (wait for it....)

Now, this is some pretty fine wood. It has heavy silking like Jagadis's guitar which I nearly swooned over. Hopefully I can capture it on film. it's quite extraordinary and looks expensive. The guitar is also nicely finished with none of the random rough spots I've come to dread and sometimes encounter with the 03 series.

The tuners are kind of hard to turn. But that may be because they are smaller? Or whatever. For some reason i don't hate the mini's. They seem more substantial than the regular size Pings. The strings are, well, I'm not sure. I use Thomastik or D' Addario and they dont' feel like either. Again, neither here nor there. I'm just happy they aren't the eat your fingers Cleartones.

It's a very Goldilocks sort of guitar. I find the L a bit big, the OM a bit small for my arm, the Parlor gave me the She Ra sensation, but this is just right. Is the neck smaller? It feels smaller to me. The 12 fret join did take a little adjusting but that's more comfortable than I thought it would be.

Oh, the sound. That's probably important too.

This is where I can't be of much real help. For some reason it reminds me of Gordon Lightfoot. I even checked by listening to some and yeah, it does. I'm not sure if it's the quality or the whole his voice and guitar or if it's just another part of my quirkiness and inability to sum things up precisely. I know he uses a 12 string so that's not it.

What I'm thinking is that it's the quality of sound. It sounds like I'm playing someone else's guitar that they've played for awhile. It sounds like I've not tapped it's potential. It has the same quality and tonality that acoustic music I listen to (and that's not a lot) has. So perhaps it just resonates on a preference level.

It sounds like something I want to listen to. And yeah, it's loud. I have no fingernails (part of my theory on why there are fewer women guitarists than men) so it's just me and my fleshy digits.

I can't be of more help than that, I don't know enough to say it's the bestest guitar ever or it lacks whatever. It feels like the next guitar I would have gotten when I became more accomplished. I feel there's a lot going on with this guitar that I lack the knowledge to experience or explain at this point. So that's pretty cool.

All that aside, this is a special guitar for reasons unsaid here. To have something that makes you want to be that worthy, wow, that's a gift and I'm thankful.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 29, 2009, 09:37:29 PM
Holly, you should know that it is an offence to post such comments without pictures! 

I'm gonna come out and say this with the fear of sounding silly, but I have already said to other people that is you shut your eyes and play these guitars gently, there is an almost 12 string like shimmer about them.  Someone said that was even more apparent at the after factory tour jam, that the room jangled like it was full of 12 strings.

Have you removed all the cash, maybe there is some small change in the bottom that is causing this 12 string like anomoly?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on April 29, 2009, 09:39:54 PM
Holly, you should know that it is an offence to post such comments without pictures! 

I'm gonna come out and say this with the fear of sounding silly, but I have already said to other people that is you shut your eyes and play these guitars gently, there is an almost 12 string like shimmer about them.  Someone said that was even more apparent at the after factory tour jam, that the room jangled like it was full of 12 strings.

Have you removed all the cash, maybe there is some small change in the bottom that is causing this 12 string like anomoly?


No cash. I'm sure it's being sent in a separate mailing.

That's funny, I thought I was, well, just being me, when it reminded me of Gordon Lightfoot. I'm happy to be in good company.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on April 29, 2009, 09:52:00 PM

"What I'm thinking is that it's the quality of sound. It sounds like I'm playing someone else's guitar that they've played for awhile. It sounds like I've not tapped it's potential. It has the same quality and tonality that acoustic music I listen to (and that's not a lot) has. So perhaps it just resonates on a preference level."

"I can't be of more help than that, I don't know enough to say it's the bestest guitar ever or it lacks whatever. It feels like the next guitar I would have gotten when I became more accomplished. I feel there's a lot going on with this guitar that I lack the knowledge to experience or explain at this point. So that's pretty cool."

"All that aside, this is a special guitar for reasons unsaid here. To have something that makes you want to be that worthy, wow, that's a gift and I'm thankful."


Congrats Holly and enjoy your new guitar.  Your three statements above (I cut and paste from your note) kinda sum up how I feel too.  There is something special but intangible about these guitars and I am still trying to figure it out.  In particular, your comment about lacking the knowledge to understand why this guitar is so good hits the nail on the head.  I know this guitar is good but I too don't know why.  I'm taking my FIII over to show my guitar teacher tonight to see what he thinks.  I'll let everyone know what he has to say later tonight.  One thing i will say...the guitar just feels so right when I sit down and play it.  Fits me like a glove and makes me smile.  Thats not a bad thing  :laughin:

Post some picts when you get a moment...

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on April 29, 2009, 09:52:38 PM
Are we supposed to get a tracking number before or when they ship the guitar out? I'm still patiently waiting.


Robert.

Robert

Has Jim Holler been on contact with you yet?  Maybe give him a call if you are concerned.  I thought that all the guitars had now at least left the factory.  Jim certainly emailed me a tracking number when he mailed the guitar.  It was nice to be able to track UK customs doing nothing with it for 8 days.  GGGRRRRRR!!!!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: hawkeye99 on April 29, 2009, 10:06:24 PM
Robert

Has Jim Holler been on contact with you yet?  Maybe give him a call if you are concerned.  I thought that all the guitars had now at least left the factory.  Jim certainly emailed me a tracking number when he mailed the guitar.  It was nice to be able to track UK customs doing nothing with it for 8 days.  GGGRRRRRR!!!!

Thank you Ben.

Robert


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Randy_R on April 29, 2009, 11:53:25 PM
Are we supposed to get a tracking number before or when they ship the guitar out? I'm still patiently waiting.


Robert.

Yes. I got a Fedex tracking number today. Mine is on its way to me.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: hawkeye99 on April 29, 2009, 11:57:45 PM
Yes. I got a Fedex tracking number today. Mine is on its way to me.

That's great! There's still hope for me then.

Robert


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dazdarren on April 30, 2009, 05:59:40 AM
Holly...of the many reviews and observations provided by the FGIII crowd yours is the most thought provoking and insightful.  It made me think about my observations in a slightly different light.  Thanks...hope you enjoy your new guitar for many years to come.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 30, 2009, 06:34:09 AM
   Robert, when Jim ships the git, which is by FedEx, it automates a shipping notice to youe email address. If jim has access to that, you'll get the email. I not, send it to him or call & get the info to track it. Mine was picked up in Jamestown @ 6:00pm Monday & came about 1:00pm today, shipped to East Haven, CT.
   I got mine today, getting it in the house finally after locking myself out for 2 hours. @ least I know you can't break in, even with the windows slightly open. Thet have those safety locks so you can't open them more than 4" when engaged. Finally borrowed some tools from a neghibor when he came home & popped the molding by the lock, then shimmied the lock open. Too easy for a burglar, I realized.
   ANYWAY, I finally got myself & my F-III into a warmer area & let it sit until about 9pm. Took it out of the box & let it sit for another hour before taking it out for all to see, mainly me. My wife said "it looks like all of your other guitars", so I tried to ignore that. Played it for about 15 minutes &, because of the time (my condo has strict rules about "quiet time" from 9pm-9am;I'm on the board, so have have to set an example;it sucks!), decided to let it sit overnight. In the morning I'll really get a chance to look it over. Also will change to EJ-16's & put my new set of bone bridge pins in. The I'll give her a workout!
   Holly, I don't think that it's just you. The top isn't as white as I thought it would be, my A Style Baden from Jim with the Euro Spruce top being a little lighter, I think. But the F-III has some nice silking going on (grain lines), bookmatched nicely. I'm going to have to do the same as you: A/B the tops. For all I know the Baden is also IS, all of Euro coming from the same area of the Alps. After setting it up & playing for a while (?), I'll try to take some pics to post & comments also. It also seemed like the guitar, in the body area, was smaller than the case. Haven't heard any mention of this before with these, but I'll just put a cloth in the case on one side to stabalize it.
   Can't comment on the 12 string effect since I didn't get to really play it much, but what I initially DID notice were the awesome overtones & was amazed @ the harmonics I could get. In places I normally don't. But alas,these first impressions were too short, so sleep must come to me before I can dig into it. I don't name my guitars, but this one is something special & just might get one. I think it's the only guitar that Larrivee has ever put an opposite neck on. I'm not kidding. They had to think & get back to Jim about that one. Makes me wonder what's so damn hard. And holly, please no comments about learning over the "right "way. For me, this is the right way. As I said before, when you mentioned that it shouldn't be too hard to re-learn, take a lefty guitar & turn it around & then you try playing it. Not so easy, is it! :humour:
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on April 30, 2009, 02:51:49 PM
Jeff
The reason the case is not an exact fit for your F III is because they are using OM cases.  Thus, not a perfect fit.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 30, 2009, 04:04:05 PM
   Robert, get your tracking # issue resolved yet? :?
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on April 30, 2009, 04:12:51 PM
   Mr._Lv19E, can't find any specs on the Pings anywhere to compare to the first ones (cheaper than the 2nd) that you posted. They look like the'd fit, but can't be sure until I compare the specs. Will have to do some more research. But the first ones look like the best buy of the 2. Thanks. Will let you know if I find specs & what i come up with.
     Jeff  :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: hawkeye99 on April 30, 2009, 04:15:15 PM
   Robert, get your tracking # issue resolved yet? :?
     Jeff   :guitar

I'm just assuming it hasn't been shipped yet. The guitar was accidentally shipped to Jim Holler when it was supposed to be direct shipped to Prince Edward Island. I emailed Jim on the 24th stating my concern regarding brokerage fees. Haven't heard back yet. I'll wait abit longer before doing anything else.

Robert


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on May 01, 2009, 01:11:34 AM
Re: replacement tuners -  These seem to be the best "drop-in" option from Gotoh. I was trying to get enough interest to get a really good price on a bulk purchase, but there was very little response.

The pictures show the back of the Forum3 headstock. I have not ordered these, but they seem to line up perfectly. Installing the larger tuners ( 510s ) should just need a small pilot hole for the screw, but I do not know how much of the old hole may be visible.

Tad

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on May 01, 2009, 01:49:48 AM
How about these Gotoh SVG510 (http://www.sounds-planet.com/gotoh_catalog/gotoh-e/htmlfile/sg510series.html)
If someone wanted '510' quality.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on May 01, 2009, 02:08:02 AM
How about these Gotoh SVG510 (http://www.sounds-planet.com/gotoh_catalog/gotoh-e/htmlfile/sg510series.html)
If someone wanted '510' quality.

Mounting hole is offset on these compared to the in-line position of the mini pings.  See Tadol's picture for an illustration of this point.   I'm sure there are several different replacement tuners that would work if you don't mind drilling new mounting holes and possibly having old holes show.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on May 01, 2009, 03:16:10 AM
Actually the SGV510 and SGV510Z look the same a tadol's pics.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on May 01, 2009, 03:54:30 AM
   Didn't get to do any of the F-III changes I said I was going to do today. The damn guitar came yesterday, had a bad day, played it for about 15 mins. last night, & thought I'd get the strings changed & new bone pins put in. My wife's list of thing for me to do took up my whole day, besides my daily nap. But Lynn, got your CD's out in my running around. I finally took some photos before I had to grill up diner, but they were too bright. Waited until about 6:30, when I finally had some time of my own, to take some more pics. Came out a little better, but still love film pics. Just can't see them until you develope them.
   I finally had a chance to play my LS for about 45 mins. & here are some of my first impressions. Like I told Ben when he was having some issues, which I'm having now for the same reason I told him, the intonation seems off abit & I attribute this to the crappy strings that are on it. Can't stand coated, dull strings. That's the first thing that has to be done. Right now, it is set up as Jim set it, after putting a bone nut on also. I'm having problems with certain strings, not all, as far as intonation, so from experience it sounds like a string change & slot cleaning is needed.
The guitar is so comfortable to play, even though I'm 6'6". It just sits in my lap like it was made for me (hey, it was!) & is easy to play on the fingerboard. I also had no problem adjusting to the shorter neck, actually enjoying it. Plays so easy my blues went away, even when I played them! Had to put it down to spend some "quality time" with my wife.
   The sound seemed a little too balanced, especially in the highs. Once again, probably the strings.The bass was much more than I expected, but once I put the non-coated EJ's on, that should make all even better. Just didn't want to put it down, it was so nice to play. My fingers had black on them after I played, telling me they might not have been cleaned well after the nut installation. I agree with holly about the sound being a little "tight", but that should go away with time. I was reading my new LMI catalog, & it gave the desriptions of the various Euro spruce varieties. The whitest of all seemed to be the Carpathian/Ukranian spruce, where the Alpine/IS spruce was descibed as "slightly warmer in color than typical IS", but praising it's tonal attitributes. Like holly also said, it seems like a guitar that someone else has been playing for a while & now I own. Don't know if that's what she exactly meant, but besides the "tight" sound of the top, it just had this nice, warm sound to it, not a bright 12 string sound that I still haven't heard yet. Don't know if it was the venue they were jamming in. The new strings will helps bring a brighter sound to it.
   I'll post some pics, which I tried to keep the red tulip in to compare colors.
   More to follow.
     Jeff   :guitar
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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on May 01, 2009, 04:01:15 AM
  Here's a few showing the grain on the top, one full pic, the others comparing lower bouts. Another full-body shot. Nice book-matching!
     Jeff   :guitar

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on May 01, 2009, 08:44:28 AM
I didn't play mine for three days this week, and it was in the case tuned to dropped D.  When I took it out it was perfectly in tune still, so I am assuming all of my earlier problems were all due to it settling from the journey around the world.

Tuffy, you mentioned categories.  I can now be shifted to the extatic category now I have bonded with this guitar.  I am GAS free, genuinely.  I have been looking at nice guitars because I thought there was something wrong with me, but I can't get excited about them any more.  Good news for the wallet!!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on May 01, 2009, 12:48:02 PM
Jeff,

That's a great looking top on your F3!  Congrats.

Ben,

Watch out for any gas leaks and accidental build up of dangerous levels of gas.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Randy_R on May 01, 2009, 01:00:51 PM
> On FedEx vehicle for delivery

I love suspense......

There weren't any pictures of mine taken at the factory that I know of.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on May 01, 2009, 01:12:49 PM

Ben,

Watch out for any gas leaks and accidental build up of dangerous levels of gas.

I still have MAS to keep me on my toes.  One day I will have a mandolin, one day......


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on May 01, 2009, 02:42:50 PM
   Didn't get to do any of the F-III changes I said I was going to do ...
   
I finally had a chance to play my LS for about 45 mins. & here are some of my first impressions. Like I told Ben when he was having some issues, which
I'm having now for the same reason I told him, the intonation seems off abit & I attribute this to the crappy strings that are on it. Can't stand coated, dull strings. That's the first thing that has to be done. Right now, it is set up as Jim set it, after putting a bone nut on also. I'm having problems with certain strings, not all, as far as intonation, so from experience it sounds like a string change & slot cleaning is needed.

   The guitar is so comfortable to play, even though I'm 6'6". It just sits in my lap like it was made for me (hey, it was!) & is easy to play on the fingerboard. I also had no problem adjusting to the shorter neck, actually enjoying it. Plays so easy my blues went away, even when I played them! Had to put it down to spend some "quality time" with my wife.

   The sound seemed a little too balanced, especially in the highs. Once again, probably the strings.The bass was much more than I expected, but once I put the non-coated EJ's on, that should make all even better. Just didn't want to put it down, it was so nice to play. My fingers had black on them after I played, telling me they might not have been cleaned well after the nut installation. Not saying anything bad about Jim, just stating a fact. I'll clean the fretboard before I put the strings on. I agree with holly about the sound being a little "tight", but that should go away with time. I was reading my new LMI catalog, & it gave the desriptions of the various Euro spruce varieties. The whitest of all seemed to be the Carpathian/Ukranian spruce, where the Alpine/IS spruce was descibed as "slightly warmer in color than typical IS", but praising it's tonal attitributes. Like holly also said, it seems like a guitar that someone else has been playing for a while & now I own. Don't know if that's what she exactly meant, but besides the "tight" sound of the top, it just had this nice, warm sound to it, not a bright 12 string sound that I still haven't heard yet. Don't know if it was the venue they were jamming in. The new strings will helps bring a brighter sound to it.

   I guess until I do my mods to it, I really can't break it down further. Not as blown away as I thought I'd be, the intonation is a slight worry for me (don't want to spend more $ on work), but am hoping the strings & just playing it will help it settle in. I've had weeks old guitars before that played better than this initially, as far as my issues addressed. I'll post some pics, which I tried to keep the red tulip in to compare colors.

More to follow.  Jeff
Your experience is similar to mine, with the LS-03R.  I'm still having a love/non-love relationship with FIII.  As posted earlier, I've got the tusq saddle back in for the bone.  The strings I haven't changed yet.
- Wednesday night I loved the sound and didn't want to put it down. 
- Light fingerpicking made it sound really good.
- Last night I couldn't get or keep it in tune. 
- The bass E string fretted at G was more of a thud than a tone.
- The open G chord was not pleasant.  Intonation is spotty to my ears.
- The bass response is very nice on a guitar this size.
- The G string nut slot is tight, causing some binding which makes tuning problematic.

But, you know, the SD-50 I had was great from the first strum.  Also a 12-fret, it had no intonation issues.  Even the L-03MT I had was more consistent.

So, the EXP's are coming off this weekend and will be replaced by EJ16's. 
(5)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on May 01, 2009, 02:45:30 PM
I still have MAS to keep me on my toes.  One day I will have a mandolin, one day......
Get one. They are fun. Nobody regrets getting one. Left hand, er fretting hand is easy. Gives gifts you can take back to guitar.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on May 01, 2009, 02:56:20 PM
Get one. They are fun. Nobody regrets getting one. Left hand, er fretting hand is easy. Gives gifts you can take back to guitar.

It would mean selling my OM-03 though.  I think it is probably fair to say that my next purchace will be a mandolin, but my next purchase might, unfortunately, be some considerable time away.  Such is the current state of things for many people though, so I am not grumbling.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 01, 2009, 04:40:14 PM
Tuffy, you mentioned categories.  I can now be shifted to the extatic category now I have bonded with this guitar.  I am GAS free, genuinely.  I have been looking at nice guitars because I thought there was something wrong with me, but I can't get excited about them any more.  Good news for the wallet!!
                Ben this is what happened to me. I like my Martin and Gibson still, but I don't have any Gas for other gits now, though I do miss my 00-FM.

Get one. They are fun. Nobody regrets getting one. Left hand, er fretting hand is easy. Gives gifts you can take back to guitar.
  Re: mando's    I had a nice Webber for a week recently. I was making an ebony rest on the bridge for a friend. I had been considering buying one also. Anyway I can't deal with those tiny necks. My Gibson necks are too small for me as is, so to try and fret with my clumsy, beat up hands is more difficult than I want to attempt.
       My youngest son wants one though, so maybe I'll get one and let him play it. ;-)

> On FedEx vehicle for delivery

I love suspense......

There weren't any pictures of mine taken at the factory that I know of.
                  Randy, the roller coaster ride is over, so now we need a review from the definitive "Larrivee" owner ie. you.
    I'm looking forward to seeing your F-III and hearing your reports. MIne is still the same as I have felt since the first song at the factory. Only I've explored strumming with very good results (beyond expectations) It's not some gleeful feeling of "Happy birthday" or something like that.
                  I feel like I own a seriously nice player, that will only get better as it ages and is played in.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on May 01, 2009, 07:13:43 PM
FYI, Bella's sister has arrived, and yes, I know this thread is useless without pictures.

She is not quite as beautiful as her sister, but a lovely guitar none the less.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on May 01, 2009, 07:21:06 PM
   
   Also, did all receive a pack of 3 pearloid "Larrivee Forum III Guitar" picks. Haven't heard anything about them, thought some one would bring them up. I got a pack, & if others didn't, I'll post a pic for all to see! Let me know?
     Jeff   :guitar

The picks were a very generous gift from Photomat. :thumbsup

Give the guitar time Jeff, mine grew on me......... a lot.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: pennerblue on May 01, 2009, 07:49:51 PM
Get one. They are fun. Nobody regrets getting one. Left hand, er fretting hand is easy. Gives gifts you can take back to guitar.

Flatlander-  Perhaps for the first time, I have to disagree with you.  The basic barre equivalent on the mando (shown below) is IMPOSSIBLE for me to do.  My friends joke that I need a prosthetic extender joint on my pinky finger to get that top string fretted.  I have to improvise with two finger versions.

I do love the sound of a mandolin...and there are often too many guitar players, so it's nice to be able to mix things up a bit.  I don't play it much though as I'm now focusing on trying to get better at guitar.

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on May 01, 2009, 08:15:51 PM
Flatlander-  Perhaps for the first time, I have to disagree with you.  The basic barre equivalent on the mando (shown below) is IMPOSSIBLE for me to do.  My friends joke that I need a prosthetic extender joint on my pinky finger to get that top string fretted.  I have to improvise with two finger versions.

I do love the sound of a mandolin...and there are often too many guitar players, so it's nice to be able to mix things up a bit.  I don't play it much though as I'm now focusing on trying to get better at guitar.
OK that's what happens when you use words like "nobody" ! I don't mind being disagreed with for sure,but.....there
are easier ways to make the chords. For that shape you put up, it does help for bluegrass type chop, but the 4th string doesn't have to be played. You can let it ring open for a G chord or easily mute it for a chop and when shape is used up neck. There are really easy open chords you can make with 2 fingers. If you don't know those and want me to put shapes down (new thread) I'd be glad too. Also how easy it is to change chords since all strings are same interval apart, and in doing see relationships. Just let me know! matt
 


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 01, 2009, 08:40:16 PM
I can't beleive there are folks who still think there's an impossibility musically and say so to Matt,lol. I only hope to become accomplished enough to ask and learn, much less take in so much of what he's posted. Shoot, i have stuff you've posted that I can 't make heads nor tails of, but, I know it's good info for the future.

Just a little nod to your awesomeness.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on May 01, 2009, 08:53:30 PM
   prof_stack, I had absolutely no problems withe SD-50 I got from Jim either. Intonation dead on. My time is not being utilized to put all towards my F-III. Will probably do the string change tomorrow, like you. I'm a little bummed right now with this guitar, not being all I was expecting by all of the posts. Now, I don't know if I believe them all. Some, from peple I know are experienced, others I'm just not sure. Jim told me my guitar was great (his words), but know I'm also thinking of throwing the Tusq nut & sadde back on & then check it. Soemthing went wrong somewhere. Hopefully some minor treaking & string change will take care of all, but not too sure. The buildup I think, from some, was just a reason to post. Not all.
   Also, did all receive a pack of 3 pearloid "Larrivee Forum III Guitar" picks. Haven't heard anything about them, thought some one would bring them up. I got a pack, & if others didn't, I'll post a pic for all to see! Let me know?
     Jeff   :guitar

This guitar may actually sound better with the original tusq saddle.  Try re-installing it and see if you still feel the same way about it.  When I swapped out the tusq ( I got mine in Vancouver so it didn't get a bone saddle from Jim) for bone it did not sound as good.   If that doesn't help then this just may not be the guitar for you.   Of course, it will never sound like an SD-50 no matter what you do to it.   If you can't appreciate it for what it is then it's best to sell it and move on. The Forum III was not designed to be nor will it ever become "the" guitar for every player.  I have 3 other Larrivees that sound at least as good as my F III but I appreciate it for what it is and I don't condemn it for what it isn't.  I don't know if I'd be satisfied with it as my only guitar.  To me it also has value that can't be measured strictly in terms of tone or  subtle distinctions and comparisons with other guitars.   To use the common phrase of the times  "it is what it is".   Looks like there are going to be some slightly used Forum III's coming on the market soon.   


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on May 01, 2009, 09:53:42 PM
   Lynn, just had a PM with a fellow forum member & told him I was going to work piece by piece, starting with the nut. I think you know where this is going. Probably end up with all Tusq by the time I'm done. I'm not kidding , either. A string change will DEFINATLY not solve my problems. Lynn, this guitar fits me like a glove, don't take this wrong, but I know what I'm talking about as far as the intonation. Something you mentioned I think is the problem. You'll figure it out! :thumb Love the sound & platability of it, as long as I play open chords. If I start going up the neck, things just get worse. :?
   And in case you missed it, I got those CD's out to you. Good luck with the one. You'll be able to play all, but I don't think on any CD player.
   Jeff   :guitar 
   I'll PM you later & tell you my thoughts.

Jeff thanks for the cd's looking forward to some new music.   And to you and others who have found the Forum III to be less than you expected I respect your opinions and honest appraisal of your instruments.   I haven't had intonation issues or other problems that have been mentioned.  Larrivee is supposedly known for consistency but perhaps some of the forum III guitars are not up to the level of  the rest.   I readily admit that I was shocked at the poor sound that I got with the bone saddle.  Re-installation of the tusq saddle restored it to the quality I heard when I first picked it up.    Amazing how seemingly small things can make a big difference.   Hope it turns out the way you want it to at some point.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on May 01, 2009, 09:57:08 PM
Thanks, for comments Holly, but honestly I just find ways to do things the easy way. Knowing a little about chord structure helps do that. So yea, many things are possible if you know how to cheat.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on May 01, 2009, 10:26:51 PM
Lynn,

Have to agree with you about the saddle. I had Bella's changed out for a bone saddle and I hate the tone. Will be changing it back tomorrow.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 01, 2009, 10:37:15 PM
Thanks, for comments Holly, but honestly I just find ways to do things the easy way. Knowing a little about chord structure helps do that. So yea, many things are possible if you know how to cheat.

No, dear, you find ways to do things. It's an admirable and rarely seen trait. Just bask in the praise a little, will ya?

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 01, 2009, 10:38:33 PM
Lynn,

Have to agree with you about the saddle. I had Bella's changed out for a bone saddle and I hate the tone. Will be changing it back tomorrow.

I have no idea about any of this,lol. Honeslty, I've always changed the saddle to bone because the tusq is so ugly...  What would you say the tone difference is?

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: gtrplayer on May 01, 2009, 11:22:14 PM
Quote
Larrivee is supposedly known for consistency but perhaps some of the forum III guitars are not up to the level of  the rest.   

My contention all along.  I will say that initially I was very underwhelmed with my Forum III.  The bass was, as someone previously noted, analagous to a "thud".  And for me, when purchasing a guitar, it's all about tone and nothing else.  However with continued playing there has been a slight improvement.  It still has the bone saddle and I've replaced the original strings with some medium EJ17s. The D'Addarios seem to pull a little more from the bass and help in defining the bass tone.

I agree that Larrivee has usually been consistent in producing decent guitars/tone.  With regards to the initial reports about how wonderful the Forum IIIs were, I always took with a grain of salt.  I'm sure there may be some that are good tonally and others that were evaluated under the spell of "Forum III Fever".   

I like the idea about a cutaway on a twelve fret so I'm giving my Forum III more time in the hopes that tonally it will improve.  If not, she'll get cut from the herd and to the FS forum tout de suite.

gtrplayer

 


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on May 02, 2009, 12:37:11 AM
I've got a bone nut and haven't had any tuning problems. I did take a piece of 500 grit sandpaper and smooth the slots up real nice though. for a while I thought I had a high E that wasn't ringing out like it should, but that problem has passed. Either I smoothed and widened the slot enough or it was just an adjustment period. But I haven't had any tuning issues whatsoever. In fact, it holds tune exceptionally well.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: es-335 on May 02, 2009, 02:19:24 AM
Anybody like tusq saddle better on their F3 than bone?

I went to a local luthier and hung out with him for awhile trying the bone and tusq saddle..(he is still pretty upset at me for not telling him about F3 back in the days... hehe) we both very much favoured tusq...

it was much more punchy and chuncky. sure, the bone was good as well; created very lady like tone.. soft and buttery..

but for me.. I am staying with as is...


I can proudly say I like my STOCK F3 :)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Daysailer on May 02, 2009, 03:53:14 AM
   I'm also wondering before I start tinkering tomorrow morn, is the nut glued in or did Jim leave it floating? My L-10 has a floating nut, so I'm just hoping...
     Jeff   :guitar

Jim SuperGlued (CA), the bone nut he made for my F-III...
wish I had asked for it to be floating.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on May 02, 2009, 04:15:10 AM
   Also, did all receive a pack of 3 pearloid "Larrivee Forum III Guitar" picks. Haven't heard anything about them, thought some one would bring them up. I got a pack, & if others didn't, I'll post a pic for all to see! Let me know?
     Jeff   :guitar

Yep, that was my contribution to the Forum III party. (Thanks Jim for putting them in the cases!)  I had posted a photo long ago before the tour.

Here it is again

Jim decided the ones with the doughnuts might melt in the case   :winkin:
(http://files.me.com/wm7n/lcc4wu)
(http://files.me.com/wm7n/o0kmse)



 


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BlastersFan55 on May 02, 2009, 04:17:18 AM
I'm very happy with my guitar.        :cheers


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Safricanplayer on May 02, 2009, 04:30:02 AM
Anybody like tusq saddle better on their F3 than bone?

I went to a local luthier and hung out with him for awhile trying the bone and tusq saddle..(he is still pretty upset at me for not telling him about F3 back in the days... hehe) we both very much favoured tusq...

I can proudly say I like my STOCK F3 :)

I'm in the process of evaluating the tusq against the bone in my all hog Forum III, (arrived on Wednesday) as my initial impression was that the guitar sounded a bit 'thin'. It might be that the bone saddle in the all hog is a tad too bright. I'm possibly going to put some Newtone's on and will report back with the results.

Megan's IS/RW really sounds great and is still exactly the way it arrived from Jim. While I have not played a IS/Hog Forum III, my 2 cents says the IS/RW might possibly be the best top and tonewood combination in the series.

Are there any other All Hog owners out there who have experimented with changing out the bone for Tusq, or found different strings tonally more pleasing?

 ~ Ray ~


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 02, 2009, 04:34:50 AM
   prof_stack, I had absolutely no problems withe SD-50 I got from Jim either. Intonation dead on. My time is not being utilized to put all towards my F-III. Will probably do the string change tomorrow, like you. I'm a little bummed right now with this guitar, not being all I was expecting by all of the posts. Now, I don't know if I believe them all. Some, from peple I know are experienced, others I'm just not sure. Jim told me my guitar was great (his words), but know I'm also thinking of throwing the Tusq nut & sadde back on & then check it. Soemthing went wrong somewhere. Hopefully some minor treaking & string change will take care of all, but not too sure. The buildup I think, from some, was just a reason to post. Not all.
   Also, did all receive a pack of 3 pearloid "Larrivee Forum III Guitar" picks. Haven't heard anything about them, thought some one would bring them up. I got a pack, & if others didn't, I'll post a pic for all to see! Let me know?
     Jeff   :guitar
  Jeff, my F-III is everything I have said it is. I like it very much and never said anything that I want to retract. Others can say what they please. I stand by my statements.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: iDavid on May 02, 2009, 04:47:34 AM
I'm still waiting on my F-III and you guys are freaking me out!

I had a pick-up pick put in, so wouldn't the nut have to be floating?


david


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 02, 2009, 04:57:29 AM
I'm still waiting on my F-III and you guys are freaking me out!

I had a pick-up pick put in, so wouldn't the nut have to be floating?


david
  The nut is at the tuning head side of the guitar and the saddle is on the bridge. Your pick up is probably under the saddle.
         Personally I really think this is all much ado about nothing, but I'm not supposed to say such naughty things.
               Anytime someone says a bad thing about anything, it gets multiplied and an imagined problem becomes real to others who really didn't have a problem at all. It's just that negative food is somehow more easy to digest.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on May 02, 2009, 05:08:34 AM
  The nut is at the tuning head side of the guitar and the saddle is on the bridge. Your pick up is probably under the saddle.
         Personally I really think this is all much ado about nothing, but I'm not supposed to say such naughty things.
               Anytime someone says a bad thing about anything, it gets multiplied and an imagined problem becomes real to others who really didn't have a problem at all. It's just that negative food is somehow more easy to digest.
I basically agree with that, but on the other hand, when many posts praise the FIII for its many wonderful attributes, it sets in motion an expectation which, as we have seen, can be broken. 

This is my 5th Larrivee and right now its not what I hoped for.  But I'm not going to make a quick decision to sell it.  New uncoated strings and lots of playing time will bring out what it truly is. 

Speaking of strings, when I put EXP's on my Martin D-18GE I didn't like the sound for the first week or so before they leveled off and brought out that guitar's lovely sound.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: iDavid on May 02, 2009, 05:11:34 AM
See, I really was in a pAniC!

So, the saddle is always floating ya?

I though Jim wasn't doing bone nuts for the F-III, just the saddle


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 02, 2009, 05:20:03 AM
See, I really was in a pAniC!

So, the saddle is always floating ya?

I though Jim wasn't doing bone nuts for the F-III, just the saddle
              Jim only did bone nuts if asked. The saddle was his free extra item, and yes it is not glued in. If a bone nut does not improve tone on a git I would say it's probably not making proper contact with the neck or not cut right. I just don't see Tusq being an improvement if the bone is made right.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Safricanplayer on May 02, 2009, 05:32:26 AM
I basically agree with that, but on the other hand, when many posts praise the FIII for its many wonderful attributes, it sets in motion an expectation which, as we have seen, can be broken. 

This is my 5th Larrivee and right now its not what I hoped for.  But I'm not going to make a quick decision to sell it.  New uncoated strings and lots of playing time will bring out what it truly is. 

Speaking of strings, when I put EXP's on my Martin D-18GE I didn't like the sound for the first week or so before they leveled off and brought out that guitar's lovely sound.


With 78 guitars being built with 3 different wood combinations, it is inevitable that a there will be some folks who end up not satisfied for one reason or another. At the risk of sounding repetitive, it is important to remember that this is essentially an $1100 guitar. It is not a boutique built guitar, and in fairness should be compared against other 03 Larrivees. I personally helped a friend of my daughter pick out a OM-03R Larrivee late last year, and I can say without question that Megan's IS/RW Forum III is a superior guitar, IMHO. Add to that the 'joy of the journey' and the fact that this is a limited run etc., and I think you'll find the vast majority of Forum III owner are happy campers.  :winkin:

Is it likely that the euphoria created by the Forum III's might have resulted in some lost objectively when member started reporting on their Forum III's? I think it would be naive not to expect that. That said, I think a 'true poll' of Forum III owners (taken in say 3 months) would show that the vast majority of owners are very satisfied with their Forum III's :cheers

 ~ Ray ~


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 02, 2009, 01:26:31 PM
I'd like to to interject that what seems to be on the verge of getting lost is personal preference. In other words, it's not the guitar. Or rather it's not everyone's guitar. As the Rock Man says 'You see what you want to see and you hear what you want to hear.' Everyone , mostly, had a preconception of look and sound, if you don't hear or see what you want, or prefer, well, that's to be expected because we didn't try them out first.

So before the Sacred Guitar line is drawn in the sand, let's not lose sight of that. It doesn't mean it's bad or a criticism towards anything very tangible. Frankly, if someone thinks it sucks and out and out says it, so what?

I prefer the sad and lady like (not my words,lol) tone so I'll stick with the bone saddle. Plus I'm lazy and too inexperienced to tell enough of a difference to switch it back and forth.

We are all simply tweaking the item to our point of preference. At the end of the day, it may simply not be the right guitar for some. But to say so isn't disparaging all of those (including me) who are as pleased as punched. I'd like to hear forthright opinions, it's helpful to me because I don't know very much.

The idea that anyone isn't supposed to say anything pro or con is ludicrous.  I like my guitar, a lot. Have no problem saying so. I also admit that someone who knows more may pick out faults that I simply don't know enough to hear, yet.

There is room for opinions on both sides, stated respectfully and replied to with respect. In other words, it's not what you say, it's how you say it. I don't think negative anything is easier to digest or carries anymore weight. I don't even think there is a negative aspect to this. I've yet to read a critical review that was anything but forthright and well thought out.

It's subjective on both sides unless there's, I don't know, a neck hanging off or something.

Feedback is important, not personal. It's not the self being evaluated, it's a guitar.


holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: gtrplayer on May 02, 2009, 02:40:45 PM
Quote
I'd like to to interject that what seems to be on the verge of getting lost is personal preference. In other words, it's not the guitar. Or rather it's not everyone's guitar. As the Rock Man says 'You see what you want to see and you hear what you want to hear.' Everyone , mostly, had a preconception of look and sound, if you don't hear or see what you want, or prefer, well, that's to be expected because we didn't try them out first.

So before the Sacred Guitar line is drawn in the sand, let's not lose sight of that. It doesn't mean it's bad or a criticism towards anything very tangible. Frankly, if someone thinks it sucks and out and out says it, so what?

I prefer the sad and lady like (not my words,lol) tone so I'll stick with the bone saddle. Plus I'm lazy and too inexperienced to tell enough of a difference to switch it back and forth.

We are all simply tweaking the item to our point of preference. At the end of the day, it may simply not be the right guitar for some. But to say so isn't disparaging all of those (including me) who are as pleased as punched. I'd like to hear forthright opinions, it's helpful to me because I don't know very much.

The idea that anyone isn't supposed to say anything pro or con is ludicrous.  I like my guitar, a lot. Have no problem saying so. I also admit that someone who knows more may pick out faults that I simply don't know enough to hear, yet.

There is room for opinions on both sides, stated respectfully and replied to with respect. In other words, it's not what you say, it's how you say it. I don't think negative anything is easier to digest or carries anymore weight. I don't even think there is a negative aspect to this. I've yet to read a critical review that was anything but forthright and well thought out.

It's subjective on both sides unless there's, I don't know, a neck hanging off or something.

Feedback is important, not personal. It's not the self being evaluated, it's a guitar.


holly


Well said holly.  Your objectivity is refreshing and sorely missed around here as of lately.

gtrplayer


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on May 02, 2009, 04:03:54 PM
As usual, Holly's honestly blunt comments are right on the money...

So last night I finally took my new FIII over to my guitar teacher's place to have a lesson and to let him have a look at my new baby.  This is a guy that has been a professional musician for his entire career (30 years+) and teaches, writes and performs 8-10 hours each day.  To make a long story short...his words were "this is a really cool little guitar".  He was quite surprised at the volume of sound coming out of the guitar.  He kept switching between his main stage guitar (Gibson Custom Shop "Doves in Flight" dread) and my FIII and was surprised that the FIII was louder.  He was also surprised by the base response.  He liked the woody sound of the hog top and indicated that he would like to record some fingerstyle tunes with this guitar due to the unique sound.  It was also my first experience hearing someone else (who is an incredible musician) play my FIII.  It definitely has a unique sound/tone and this was even more evident when you are sitting in front of the guitar listening to someone else playing something on it. 

It was a fun night that reinforced the old saying...."Spend $10,000 on guitar lessons before you spend $10,000 on a guitar).  My FIII isn't a $10,000 guitar but I still have quite a bit of learning to do in order to appreciate its ultimate capabilities... 

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on May 02, 2009, 04:25:45 PM
Here are two brothers from a different mother.... 

My Forum III #19 on the Left.  Photomat's Forum III #54 on the Right.  Guitar porn at its finest.... :roll

Jordan.



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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 02, 2009, 09:08:57 PM
I'm know I'm not the first to remark on this but it just rings on and on and on.....  I can just imagine what the RW sounds like if the Mahogany keeps this kind of sustain. It's the only Mahogany backed guitar I've played. The other is all Mahogany. The difference between the two is remarkable. Neither better or worse, but very different.

If it ever gets sunny here I'll take some pictures.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Safricanplayer on May 02, 2009, 11:33:33 PM
I'm know I'm not the first to remark on this but it just rings on and on and on.....  I can just imagine what the RW sounds like if the Mahogany keeps this kind of sustain. It's the only Mahogany backed guitar I've played. The other is all Mahogany. The difference between the two is remarkable. Neither better or worse, but very different.

If it ever gets sunny here I'll take some pictures.

holly

 :+1: I put on a set of Curt Mangan's (Med light) on my all hog, kept the bone saddle, and it's already a very nice improvement over the factory D'addario's, IMHO. Holly,  Megans IS/RW has those same sustain characteristics, but with the RW overtones. Given continued playing these should continue to mature into very nice little guitars :smile: Somebody needs to jump on that ebay Forum III :winkin:

 ~ Ray ~


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: pennerblue on May 03, 2009, 03:29:11 AM
...there are easier ways to make the chords. For that shape you put up, it does help for bluegrass type chop, but the 4th string doesn't have to be played. You can let it ring open for a G chord or easily mute it for a chop and when shape is used up neck. There are really easy open chords you can make with 2 fingers. If you don't know those and want me to put shapes down (new thread) I'd be glad too. Also how easy it is to change chords since all strings are same interval apart, and in doing see relationships. Just let me know! matt
 

Yep...you got it, I'm trying to do the dreaded bluegrass chop. (Holly, try that chord sometime on a mandolin...unless you are one of the scientifically proven 8.39%, it is darned near impossible).  That's why I do the two fingered version, but it doesn't have "the sound".

Thanks for your offer Matt.  If I ever get back into the mandolin, I'll take you up on some advice!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: pennerblue on May 03, 2009, 03:44:27 AM

Are there any other All Hog owners out there who have experimented with changing out the bone for Tusq, or found different strings tonally more pleasing?


Hey Ray-
#58 Hog top here.  I found the guitar too bright with the stock strings.  Went to the extreme and put JP Bronze and silks on it and really like them.  Out of curiosity, with all the tusq saddle hysteria going on, I swapped the bone nut for the original tusq.  I prefer the bone.  Maybe with straight PB stings I would prefer tusq, we'll have to wait and see...


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 03, 2009, 01:04:45 PM
I'm know I'm not the first to remark on this but it just rings on and on and on.....  I can just imagine what the RW sounds like if the Mahogany keeps this kind of sustain. It's the only Mahogany backed guitar I've played. The other is all Mahogany. The difference between the two is remarkable. Neither better or worse, but very different.

If it ever gets sunny here I'll take some pictures.

holly
I have noticed the MH/IS seems to have more sustain than the RW. At least with clarity. The RW has warmth and more overtones. The MH/IS "rings". This will not be everyones cup of tea. But it is a quality I enjoy very much.
             All these things are subjective for sure.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on May 03, 2009, 02:40:49 PM

All the talk about saddles so I played around with mine a bit on my rw.

Tusq - nice tone all around.  Less volume.  Less sustain.  Warmer sounding. 
Tusq = 1. nice tone all around, 2. warmer tone

Bone - nice tone all around.  Like the added volume and sustain.  Adds the benefit of sounding really nice with bare finger picking.  stonger bass.
Bone = 1. nice tone all around, 2. more volume, 3. more sustain, 4. excels bare fingers.  5. bigger bass.

Bone 5, Tusq 2  Game Over


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 03, 2009, 03:41:26 PM
I have to say that I am now an official Larrivee geek. I realised this when I got way too excited because Drake (of Drake and Josh, famous kids show here in the USA) was playing a Larrivee with that pointy cutaway. Older one because the rosette was a mosaic.

Sometime today i am going to switch the string to Thomastiks, bought a box in the B.B. (before broke) Era. I'll also put in bone bridge pins.

I don't know what it is but I just don't feel like the current strings are the right fit. They sound good, but I have a feeling a change will sound, to my ear, even better. I'd wager so much of the string issue hinges on just what one plays in the first place.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 03, 2009, 03:55:29 PM
   I watched some live venues in Austin recently. Just a few players, two gits, one on lead and the rhythm/singer. But one of the acts had a really good player. His git was black, but looked like a Martin so I talked to him between songs a few times. It was a composite Martin btw.
   My comments to him were basically.
           1 he was a very good player
           2 I said, that's not your normal git is it? he said that I was right.
           3 I said, I imagine you could play just about any ole git and make it sound good.
                   Without any false humility he agreed.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Randy_R on May 03, 2009, 07:17:24 PM
My Forum III #15 arrived on Friday (May 1st).  I'm not sure how many are left to be distributed, it can't be too many. I'll check with Jim and get a status on where he is in that regard.

I'm very happy with the Forum III. I have one of the LS03s without any upgrades. It has the clear pickguard and I sent Jim a set of EXP-12s (80/20 mediums) to put on it at setup time, and I asked for  a medium-low setup.

I have a web page for this guitar at: http://randyrick.us/guitars/LarriveeLS03ForumIII.htm and have posted to the Pictures thread.

Everything is as close to perfect as I could ask for, the woods are good looking, the fit and finish is perfect, and the frets are perfect. Intonation is good. Jim's setup is very good, great easy playing string height, both fingerstyle and light pick action, with no buzzing anywhere my fingers can reach. Sustain is good, balanced highs to mids to lows (at least to my ear), I had to think about the sustain and tones a bit as I have been playing my 000-60 the last few months, and this guitar has a quite different sound, but I like it fine and all is ok.  It has Jim's bone saddle in it. The neck is what I expected, not too chunky, not to thin, just what I've come to expect from Larrivee, I will measure the neck vs the Forum I and a standard OM03 and see what if any differences I find, as there seemed to be some question about that. The mini-pings seem ok so far, but I haven't gone back and forth between tunings.

I'll a/b it to my mahogany top Forum I at some point. And next time I jam with friends I'll get someone else to play it while I listen.

Many thanks to Jim Holler, our friends at Larrivee who worked hard to put this forum special together for us and those forum members who got the ball rolling and got us all whipped into a frenzy and made it happen.

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on May 03, 2009, 07:31:14 PM
very very nice Randy.  Glad you are happy with it.

A simple neck thinkness test - I was playing both guitars one after the ther today, with a shubb capo on any fret needs a good two twists on the screw on my OM-03 to make it as tight as on the F-III.  The  difference is quite significant, but I find both very easy to play.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 03, 2009, 09:04:21 PM
   Very nice review Randy and I like your pics. That one with the bike is GOTM.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Randy_R on May 03, 2009, 09:19:54 PM
   Very nice review Randy and I like your pics. That one with the bike is GOTM.

Thanks, but since I'm the one running the GOTM voting, its probably not appropriate for me to be in the running. I do like that picture though.



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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on May 04, 2009, 03:32:51 AM
Okay, I took off the EXP strings and the tusq saddle and put back in the bone saddle and then installed EJ16 strings:
(http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k409/prof_stack/Prof_Stack_FIII_Bridge.jpg)
The "Taylor" string method is pretty slick.
(http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k409/prof_stack/Prof_Stack_FIII_Head.jpg)

Anyway, there is a better sound coming out of the box now.  I won't wax eloquent here (usually don't anyway...) but I'm liking what I hear so far.  Nice and smooth with gentle fingerpicking.

The B string is sitting too low and that causes some buzzing when it is fretted from the 1st to the 4th fret.  What's the best way to change the neck relief to get it a little farther from the frets?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 04, 2009, 03:47:09 AM
Okay, I took off the EXP strings and the tusq saddle and put back in the bone saddle and then installed EJ16 strings:

Anyway, there is a better sound coming out of the box now.  I won't wax eloquent here (usually don't anyway...) but I'm liking what I hear so far.  Nice and smooth with gentle fingerpicking.

The B string is sitting too low and that causes some buzzing when it is fretted from the 1st to the 4th fret.  What's the best way to change the neck relief to get it a little farther from the frets?
   I think I'll try some EJ 16's soon also, when I drop my lower bone saddle back in.

      I would not adjust the neck without checking the nut slot for the buzzing B string. You could mix a little baking soda and super glue and drop it in th B slot. Then re-slot it a little higher. ( you could also use some bone dust and superglue to fill the slot) On an otherwise very nicely made bone nut I had a buzzing low E so I cut a very small slice of bone and glued it in. Then re-filed the slot. No more buzz.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on May 04, 2009, 04:19:30 AM
Thanks, but since I'm the one running the GOTM voting, its probably not appropriate for me to be in the running. I do like that picture though.

Well it seems to me that your only hurdle for bias is in selecting the four finalists. The actual choice is now our majority vote, right? I understand that you would be hesitant to self-nominate.

How would it be if you were nominated and also received confirming assent from two or more other forum members? I would second Danny's nomination.

Norman


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on May 04, 2009, 04:47:15 AM
Cool picture Randy. Please nominate it.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: ST on May 04, 2009, 07:16:26 AM
Hi prof_stack

The "Taylor" string method is pretty slick.

What does this mean?

Thanks


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on May 04, 2009, 07:30:28 AM
I think he's referring to this     http://www.taylorguitars.com/global/pdfs/Steel_Restring.pdf


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: ST on May 04, 2009, 09:22:09 AM
Hi flatlander,

Thank you. Good read for the uninitiated.

I think he's referring to this     http://www.taylorguitars.com/global/pdfs/Steel_Restring.pdf


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 04, 2009, 12:06:34 PM
Thanks, but since I'm the one running the GOTM voting, its probably not appropriate for me to be in the running. I do like that picture though.


Well it seems to me that your only hurdle for bias is in selecting the four finalists. The actual choice is now our majority vote, right? I understand that you would be hesitant to self-nominate.

How would it be if you were nominated and also received confirming assent from two or more other forum members? I would second Danny's nomination.

Norman
Cool picture Randy. Please nominate it.
                   Randy; It seems to me that you are ''nominated''   Why couldn't Mark and the other moderators choose the four finalists? Besides did'nt we see five last time anyway. Maybe you could choose four and call your's a "WRITE IN" vote by the forum members.
                Besides, it's about time we had a "V-twin/Guitar" pic instead of flowers and trees anyway ;-)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on May 04, 2009, 12:07:59 PM
                   Randy; It seems to me that you are ''nominated''   Why couldn't Mark and the other moderators choose the four finalists? Besides did'nt we see five last time anyway. Maybe you could choose four and call your's a "WRITE IN" vote by the forum members.
                Besides, it's about time we had a "V-twin/Guitar" pic instead of flowers and trees anyway ;-)
:+1:=4


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on May 04, 2009, 12:14:41 PM

The "Taylor" string method is pretty slick.


 :+1:

I used to dread string changes until I found that method.  Now it's quick and easy each time, and looks very clean.

Adam


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: pennerblue on May 05, 2009, 01:21:36 AM
I think he's referring to this     http://www.taylorguitars.com/global/pdfs/Steel_Restring.pdf

I think there is a consideration here of string type....I believe there is one type of string should NOT be cut to length until AFTER it is wound on the peg and under tension.  Is it hex core? Anyone?

I had this happen to me once (can't remember string type or make) where I cut it early and it was DEAD.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: ark on May 05, 2009, 02:57:49 AM
Actually, from what I've read, it is the round core strings that need to be under tension before being cut. The more common hex core strings work fine with the Taylor stringing method.
Al


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Safricanplayer on May 05, 2009, 06:41:31 AM
Actually, from what I've read, it is the round core strings that need to be under tension before being cut. The more common hex core strings work fine with the Taylor stringing method.
Al

Newtones need to be under tension before being cut. These are the only strings I've used where this is the case..
 
 ~ Ray ~


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Daysailer on May 06, 2009, 12:14:07 AM
Newtones need to be under tension before being cut. These are the only strings I've used where this is the case..
 
 ~ Ray ~

DR Sunbeams, my favorite strings, are also round core and require tensioned to pitch before cutting to prevent unwinding.

I wonder of even hex cored strings might be better off if not cut before the windings have chance to loosen and affect the tone.

Sunbeams are very close to the Newtones, at 1/3 the price,  Last pretty good for me too.  3-4 weeks of daily 30-60 mins.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: pennerblue on May 06, 2009, 12:56:16 AM
DR Sunbeams, my favorite strings, are also round core and require tensioned to pitch before cutting to prevent unwinding.

Yep...it was the Sunbeams that unwound on me.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on May 06, 2009, 02:30:00 PM
#65 is scheduled to arrive today - Am I the last Forum 3 delivery? Are the other 77 all delivered?

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on May 06, 2009, 02:40:31 PM
Tad
It could be a real horse-race to see whether the last Forum III will be delivered before the first Forum III is re-sold.   I believe there are currently 3 for sale;  although, technically, one was never even delivered before it went up for sale.    Funny how things go.    I think there are just as many folks who decided to add a second Forum III to their collection as there are those who decided to sell their one F III.

Who all got seconds ?    You, Photomat, and Lyric-girl for sure.  any others ?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Chasjax on May 06, 2009, 04:04:30 PM
I am guilty of double dipping.  I've got #28 (LS03HB) and after seeing the photos of Lynn and Jordan's all-hogs, I added one of the extras that Jim had.  It also has HB, so I have fraternal twins.  Both very nice, although the quality of my tops is not quite up to some that I have seen. 

Difference in tone is interesting.  The MT is, as Jim said it would be, "darker" - it has a somewhat richer tone, where the IS is a little brighter.  I switched the IS to EJ-16's and the MT still has the factory strings - need to change both to the same strings for an accurate A/B comparison.

Why did I take two?  I'm tired of strumming and am studying fingerstyle, and have become a 12-fret fan.  I had never held a LS, but it is interesting - almost iedntical dimensions to my 000-60.  Helluva guitar for the $.

Charlie


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Randy_R on May 06, 2009, 11:11:03 PM
I heard from Jim Holler. All the guitars have been sent out which were ordered.

He has three Forum III's left:

LS03R with Herringbone  one
LS03 Two

Seems to me that a number of people owe us  :gotpics:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on May 06, 2009, 11:13:33 PM
Randy,

Both of mine are posted in the picture thread where they should be. Number 66 and my extra.  :humour:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on May 06, 2009, 11:37:43 PM
   I tried for a second one, an IS/RW HB model. Jim told me that he didn't want to trade for my OM-05, but wanted $ for them (the economy;don't blame him). Got my Baden A-Style instead (Euro Spruce Top/RW) + $50, which I'm very happy with. Maybe should have waited, but Jim sounded pretty adament about no trade. Maybe now he might have? :? Am quit happy with the Baden, though. Adds a different breed to my herd! :thumb
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on May 07, 2009, 12:15:25 AM
   Tad, I think Jim sent all out, as mentioned, last Monday (week before). I got mine, #47, on Weds. last week. But I live in CT!
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 07, 2009, 12:44:30 AM
#65 is scheduled to arrive today - Am I the last Forum 3 delivery? Are the other 77 all delivered?

Tad
   Mr. Tad, we need the review and your A-B of the two models.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Safricanplayer on May 07, 2009, 12:54:29 AM
DR Sunbeams, my favorite strings, are also round core and require tensioned to pitch before cutting to prevent unwinding.

I wonder of even hex cored strings might be better off if not cut before the windings have chance to loosen and affect the tone.

Sunbeams are very close to the Newtones, at 1/3 the price,  Last pretty good for me too.  3-4 weeks of daily 30-60 mins.

I'll definately need to give these a try. I love the Newtones, although they are spendy. I put some Curt Mangans PB Med Light's on my all hog Forum III and they are a marked improvement over what came standard from Jim. My first experience with Mangan and I'm fairly impressed. It will be fun to experiment with different brands going forward. I ended up leaving the bone saddle in, and while I would have expected the tusq to be more mellow, the all hog exhibits what warm chocate richness that I had originally hoped for. These Forum III's seem to be getting better just with a couple weeks of playing and some new strings. I think 12 months from now, they will really be finding their groove :winkin:

 ~ Ray ~


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on May 07, 2009, 01:17:57 AM
#65 arrived this afternoon, along with a phone call from my wife letting me know she's lost her job - part of the balance of life, I guess. Glad these are all paid for, and this didn't happen a few weeks ago -

#65 is IS/hog, and I was able to catch it before they drilled it for the bottom pin. Jim says its the only one, but thats neither here nor there. Still had the little piece of green tape on the bottom saying "NO!" so Edwin would know not to drill it - seems like months ago, oh wait, it was -

Randy, Danny - Pics and partial review/comparison coming very soon, but I have to say, any attempt to review or "evaluate" these guitars is tremendously premature. The difference in the tone of #17, IS/RW, in just a month of playing is astounding - BUT, it may be that the strings are getting broken in just as much as the guitar. As much as I will enjoy trying other strings, these still sound so good, and I feel like I just need to play, and play, and play, and play, since the more I play it, the better it gets. With #65 here, I gotta find more time to play, since I am sure its gonna get alot better too - Oh wait, now I have to try and find a job since I don't have a wife to support me anymore - Oh well, it was great while it lasted -

Pics of all up soon -  :winkin:

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on May 07, 2009, 01:29:18 AM
Additional meaningless input - I tried putting my Forum3 into my LS-10 case ( thinking it would be a better case for taking it out ). It doesn't fit - the Forum3 is very slightly larger in the bouts - I can't even squeeze it in. So that rules out finding old arch-top LS cases for my Forum 3s. Next stop, Guitar Center, to try some of their different cases to see how close any of them are - not that I could buy one now, but just so I know what to keep an eye out for -  Unless someone else has figured this out?

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Stephen Basil on May 07, 2009, 01:47:52 AM
My FIII fits perfectly in a classical guitar case.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: sayheyjeff on May 07, 2009, 02:12:30 AM
Just wanted to take this thread back to impressions and discussions of the Forum III for a second since I was lucky enough to have the opportunity to play one.  Holly of StrawintoGold fame was generous enough to invite me to stop by her home on the way home from work and play her new gem last nite.  The whole little episode rescued me from a 'great' day at the office.  Simple directions from Mapquest, a nice welcome from Holly and her son Gabrial, and a chance to play her new Larrivee for about 20-30 minutes.  The forum designed guitar is lovely.  Certainly a job well done by those on the Forum who created the design and the folks at Larrivee who executed it.  Comfy, exceptionally playable, loud, and it just sang out with a lovely tone.  Very pretty too in a simple presentation that really appealed to me.  If money   were no object, I might have made mine a slothead with the purfing option.  Played it with a pick as I always play.  Flatpicked the few tunes I know from memory - a little old tyme, a little Irish, and a little Bluegrass.  Loved the sound.  Did I say loud?  Since my only spruce top is my parlor, the change in sound from my normal every day playing of hogtops was a treat.    But back to the hospitality - Holly is charming as expected and her boy was nice and friendly.  The dogs were cool too.  Should also mention that I saw the bubinga and played it too.  That is a nice guitar someone should consider acquiring!  Never saw bubinga before.   No doubt about its beauty and tonal quality. 

Maybe a gathering of members at my house this summer and Holly will bring some of her collection of Larrivees to show off and share?  Get her yo mke those cookies we heave heard about to entice folks.

thanks again holly.

jeff


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 07, 2009, 11:34:19 AM
My pleasure, Jeff. Anytime I can enable, uh, share with another devotee is well spent. Now we just have to see what Forum you end up with...

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 07, 2009, 11:55:43 AM
  Jeff and Holly, this sounds like a very good time. Any Pics? I know some shy from this, but just asking. I'm glad y'all had a good time.
 
        Jeff thanks for the review of the F-III. It does sound like you may own one in the future.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 07, 2009, 12:11:44 PM
No pics. Once I walked Jeff upstairs he was a goner as the guitar sucked him in and fixed him there,lol. All we could hear was happy thumping foot in the livingroom downstairs,lol.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on May 07, 2009, 01:31:59 PM
I've taken my F3 out and the case fit seems just fine for traveling.  If anyone is concerned about the fit, I think a little case surgery can help.  Try making a small cut in the interior padding and insert sections of foam stuffing from Michael's Crafts or a similar store that sells foam stuffing for craft projects.  They come in different widths and lengths and can be easily talored to fit, and squeeze into a small cut and expand out to permanently sighten up the interior of your case.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on May 07, 2009, 03:01:10 PM
   And Joseph, I'm not trying to sound inflammatory. If you want to cut your case up, that's your thing. like i said, the simplest & easiest things will work sometimes, & this does. Would you go so far as sowing your cut back up? I hope so. If you don't care, just use the sock then! :humour:
 

I'm good.  I have taken my F3 places in it's case and it fits just fine for me, no need to adjust and fits snug.  Some folks though seem to be not so lucky.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on May 07, 2009, 03:10:09 PM
I always have a polishing cloth in my case which I usually lay over the strings at the body, but you could roll that up and stuff it wherever you feel fit.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 07, 2009, 03:16:41 PM
but you could roll that up and stuff it wherever you feel fit.

Hmmm...

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on May 07, 2009, 04:05:08 PM
Holly, don't even go there! :roll


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on May 07, 2009, 05:18:03 PM
Now ladies, please... spare us. You may be adversely affecting the few virgin minds around here.  :roll

ricky


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 07, 2009, 05:27:26 PM
I'm good.  I have taken my F3 places in it's case and it fits just fine for me, no need to adjust and fits snug.  Some folks though seem to be not so lucky.
                      I know I must sound like a broken record, but my case works just fine also.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on May 07, 2009, 09:05:42 PM
Mine works fine, but I would still like to find a better case, I was hoping for a Larrivee arch-top case, but I will see how it fits in a classical case, and see if I can find something very solid and reasonably priced. I plan to keep these for a while, so once I know what I need to find, I can keep my eyes open until a good deal comes along - no rush.

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on May 07, 2009, 10:18:43 PM
I haven't noticed any problems with the case for mine.  But my guitar doesn't go very far very often.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on May 07, 2009, 10:44:50 PM
Personally, I don't like the case. I am just anal this way in that I don't like seeing the strings and bridge imprinted on the lid of the case when I open it. Then again, I'm spoiled by Holly's case which is the archtop case.

And Ricky, I didn't say a word! :humour:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 08, 2009, 12:52:30 AM
Mine works fine, but I would still like to find a better case, I was hoping for a Larrivee arch-top case, but I will see how it fits in a classical case, and see if I can find something very solid and reasonably priced. I plan to keep these for a while, so once I know what I need to find, I can keep my eyes open until a good deal comes along - no rush.

Tad
  Tad if you find a nicer one let me know. I would like to get a better one for the long run also.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 08, 2009, 12:57:50 AM
What about that guy on eBay? He's the one I bought my Larrivee archtop cases from for my OM's. Wait...http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Larrivee-00P-Deluxe-Acoustic-Guitar-Hard-Case_W0QQitemZ380065858183QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar_Accessories?hash=item587db0c287&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Larrivee-00P-Deluxe-Acoustic-Guitar-Hard-Case_W0QQitemZ380065858183QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar_Accessories?hash=item587db0c287&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116)

he's got a lot of differant things and is very responsive. If you email him your guitar's measurments I'm sure he'll have something.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on May 08, 2009, 01:23:38 AM
This is the case that they sell that I think would fit.  I'm just worried about ordering it after hearing that the FIII didn't fit into Tadol's LS-10 case. 

http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Larrivee-CLS-Deluxe-Acoustic-Guitar-Hard-Case_W0QQitemZ330272640922QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar_Accessories?hash=item4ce5c88f9a&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116

Can anyone verify that this case is compatible with the FIII?

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on May 08, 2009, 01:29:23 AM
That eBay CLS case looks like the same size as the case I have with my LS-10 - the upper and lower bout dimensions are 1/4" too small, which make putting the F3 into the LS case a no-go, so probably the same with those.

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dragon1952 on May 08, 2009, 08:27:03 AM
I'm almost positive the 000P case is the one I have, and the Forum III fits in it. Here's the link http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Larrivee-000P-Deluxe-Acoustic-Guitar-Hard-Case_W0QQitemZ330272640971QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar_Accessories?hash=item4ce5c88fcb&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116 (http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Larrivee-000P-Deluxe-Acoustic-Guitar-Hard-Case_W0QQitemZ330272640971QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar_Accessories?hash=item4ce5c88fcb&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116)
I got this case with a Larrivee OM I bought, and swapped cases with the Forum III case when I sold the OM. There is an insert that is in front of the accessory compartment that is held down with velcro. You have to pull that out due to the extra length of the Forum III body, and then the Forum III fits in there pretty nicely.  I measured mine and it is practically identical to the one in the link, but I get 1/2" wider at the waist. Here's a pic of mine in the case. You can see the insert that I pulled out sitting next to the case.


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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 08, 2009, 12:21:00 PM
You guys are making this harder than it needs to be. Email him with your specs and he can tell you yes or no and find you one that fits.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flathead on May 08, 2009, 01:17:58 PM
You guys are making this harder than it needs to be. Email him with your specs and he can tell you yes or no and find you one that fits.

holly

Typical female response...... I bet your suggestion would be to pull over and ask for directions, if they were lost on the road. Haven't you learned yet that this is how guys do things.
Flathead.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on May 08, 2009, 01:20:03 PM
Typical female response...... I bet your suggestion would be to pull over and ask for directions, if they were lost on the road. Haven't you learned yet that this is how guys do things.
Flathead.
:roll

Never ask for directions.  The world will end if you stop and ask for directions.  It is a known fact!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 08, 2009, 04:21:11 PM
I'm beginning to think the cases are padded in case they need to put some of you in it for awhile....

I get the case thing, the cases they come with are cheap and not substantial enough that I'd take a guitar anywhere in it. I mean, it's not like you can just buy another one of these guitars.

As for directions, I'll have you know I don't ask. I keep a GPS with me.  Prepared at all times.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on May 08, 2009, 04:37:52 PM
Those ebay cases are nice but that's a lot of dough for a case, especially since I already have one.  $117+$40 shipping = $157 ...yikes, no guitar included?  Please throw me a freakin' bone here ...free strings, anything?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 08, 2009, 04:47:01 PM
I have two of them and they are worth every penny.  Very well made, very secure, etc. No, I have three, one that came with the LO5 MT.

They are also priced a lot lower than they were sold for when you could get them. He has cases that are a lot less expensive, but still good quality. Frankly, a case is protecting my $1000 and up investment. It's not where I'm going to skimp. The stock cases, man, I'd be loathe to put my guitar in the car with the kids and the dogs....

I have noticed the OSHC from last year and previous are much better than the latest. The latest seem flimsy and the latches do not inspire confidence.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 09, 2009, 01:41:36 AM
Do you own stock in the case making company? rofl....

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on May 09, 2009, 01:51:06 AM
Have to pipe in here. Let's not forget that Bella came home from Vancouver in that case in the cargo hold. Case and guitar came through with flying colours but likely due to the fact that I wrapped the neck and headstock before handing it off the the female baggage person at Vancouver International. And yes, there is play horizontally in the case, but again, I padded there so Bella couldn't move.

I love the better cases, but don't think I will invest more bucks for the archtop case.

PS I never ask for directions because I too own a GPS and don't go anywhere without it.  :humour:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 09, 2009, 02:21:47 AM
I love my GPS. Anything that minimising actual human interaction is great. Plus I like watching the little red monster truck.

I'm wagering the Forum will fit into the OM Archtop case. The OM is a TIGHT fit. But  haven't tried. I did visit my guitar for a bit. Between baking, setting the veggie garden and making rugs (because I thought why not learn, I know..)  There's been four days of constant rain so grabbing the sun has become paramount.

Then there's the dogs and some kid who expects to be cared for.

I'm fine being a Jack of All Trades which is good because I won't be a Guitar master anytime soon,lol. I will say the Forum is the only one out on a stand. I like to look in on it as I walk by with the laundry, etc. Makes me happy. Probably makes the living things here safer.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on May 09, 2009, 12:14:01 PM
Jeff,

Holly was joking.  ROFL = roll on the floor laughing.  Generally used to tease someone you like...

Jordan


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 09, 2009, 02:55:42 PM
   no holly, I don't own stock in s***! You people have the money to waste on a not needed case, go & spend it! I have guitars better than my F-III, & one in particular, my '93 L-10, the case has been all over & is still nice. I just take care of all of my stuff. Treat it right & it will do the same for you! And, I'm not the IM or texting type, so please explain in a kind tone, if possible w/o sarcasm, what the hell "rolf" is. I bet you have AOL IM, text alot, thus the chat lingo. Don't work so well on a post though, if it has no meaning to others!
Like I said before, the cases are kinda cheesy, but they work & I guess it's just fun to talk away about this crap. Stick a cloth in the lower bout. Not the other place you mentioned before. I can think of another, but am too much a gentleman to say it. Have your fun, it all comes back @ you! he guitar will not move, you won't have any worries, keep your kids from jumping on it, & you should be fine. Why don't you get some stock in the crappy company. Should make alot because of the s****y cases, with a low over head. Think how much flour you could by then! :yak:   Inane comments make me insane!
     Jeff   :guitar


ROFL is generally and widely known as rolling on the floor laughing. It's there so you understand I'm kidding. I'm assuming you understand that now. You seemed to be getting a little wound up and personalising  the case 'thing' so I thought I'd just break the tension a little and interject a bit of perspective in a light hearted way. I see that I managed to redirect it, not my goal, but I'm going to just chalk it up to a misunderstanding and perhaps a bit of hasty, heated posting on your part. 

holly



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on May 09, 2009, 03:59:00 PM
   My last post on this thread. holly, i apologize for the post I did last night. Felt it was sarcastic to me, not humorous as others say. Always trying to smooth things over, others. I never heard of rofl, don't really care about the meaning @ this point anyway, am removing my case posts because they're too simple a solution for a small problem, so I'll just leave it @ that. Yes, a little sarcastic, but can I be sometimes? :? And my solution works for that small "problem" with the "inferior" cases, which, I agree, they are somewhat. But not as bad as all are making them. Like I said, treat them well & you won't have a problem! I'm cool, so hope all of you are.
     Jeff


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 09, 2009, 04:02:15 PM
Thank you. I don't think you need to remove any case posts. You raised some good points and I'm  fan of simple solutions.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on May 09, 2009, 04:24:34 PM
   holly, thank you, but apparently others go a little overboard when reacting to my posts. I've always thought we were cool on all, joking & such, having fun while the F-III's were being built, & so on. It was late last night when I posted (I think about 2:30 am here), couldn't sleep, was in pain, misdirected it @ you, & I apologize again. I'll stay away from your posts & others that I made mad. Sorry. Sometimes I post on reaction w/o thinking it through, until I wake up the next day & then start to wonder why I posted that way. And what reaction I generated, as I found by PM this morning. I know why I post like that, just have to remember more often & think before I do.
   And I love my GPS also. Don't have to ask my wife where to turn & be told, doing 40 mph,"right here!"! :humour:
     Jeff


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on May 10, 2009, 02:50:23 PM
Just in case we forgot the original thread, here are some continued impressions:

With the bone saddle back in and EJ16 strings attached, my LS-03R is starting to sing now.  It has a little more open sound to it, meaning I guess that it isn't as tight.  There is a great growl when playing a barred F chord at the first fret.  The note separation higher on the frets is very noticeable. 

For those of us like me who have not been enthralled by the FIII, I say just give it time and play the stuffing out of it.  It only gets better.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Jagadis on May 10, 2009, 10:08:13 PM
I know you guys are probably sick of my photos but it was a nice day today in Toronto and I finally got around to taking some outdoor pictures of #19.  I gotta tell you.  Every time I play this thing it freaks me out.  Its such a sound cannon and I just can't get over the way the whole thing vibrates on your lap when you are playing it.  The best way to describe it is the whole guitar just lights up with glorious sound.  I love this thing.  It makes me smile... :bgrin: :bgrin: :bgrin:

Jordan.

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: ryler on May 10, 2009, 10:20:48 PM
Jordan,  beautiful pictures.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on May 10, 2009, 10:58:47 PM
The LS-03 is now the first guitar I reach for when practicing or just "noodling" around. It is very comfortable whether I lounge in the den recliner, sit on the love seat in the guest room or the sofa in the living room. As I hoped, it doesn't displace my LSV-11 or LV-10 but instead nicely supplements them. I really enjoy the clarity and resonance of the sound too.

I'm glad I had the money when these were offered and don't regret buying any of my three Larrivees. The yet unlearned mandolin is maybe a different story for another time.
Norman


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 10, 2009, 11:51:51 PM
I've heard a puffy shirt and a pair of knee kigh boots can go along way in learning the mandolin...

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on May 11, 2009, 12:23:50 AM
Quoting strawintogold. "I've heard a puffy shirt and a pair of knee high boots can go along way in learning the mandolin..."

Wow, I didn't know it could be so easy.

But puffy shirts for my size are hard to come by and my boots only go to mid-way to my knees. I will have to shop the clothing resale charity shops! In balance, I am four weeks into playing electric bass and having a hoot with that effort.

Norman

 :nana_guitar  Me and my bass.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on May 11, 2009, 11:15:29 PM
   Got some emails from Matthew Larrivee last night in response to mine. Mentioned some things I don't know if I can post, but one thing he did say, just FYI, is that only he & Jean are  the only ones capable of carving the "volutes" on the necks that get them. So, sometimes it's just him doing it while Jean does his traveling around the world in search of the best woods! Some interesting things mentioned, just think there might be a confidentiality thing going on (read some fine print about reproducing statements). Maybe PM me & I can fill you in. And Norman, he gave me the build dates on the SD & my F-III (keep that stuff for my records). Turns out the SD-50 was started on 1/19/04, finished on 3/2/05, partially for reasons such as not having time for the "volute", so it got put aside for a while. Already emailed "mannish" that it is now officially an '05 SD-50. Aged 1 year overnight! As for my F-III, a totally different story. Started on 2/2/09, finished 3/27/09! Must have alot of coffee or something! Never saw such a fast build period. :?
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: LaminateBoy on May 12, 2009, 02:19:48 PM
I've heard a puffy shirt and a pair of knee kigh boots can go along way in learning the mandolin...

holly

Luckily for me, some things never go out of style.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on May 12, 2009, 04:07:51 PM
   Also mentioned about the Ping tuners. No one interested? Surprised. Had alot to say about the 2 different plants & the finacial structuring of both. It affects the -03 series & explains why things are the way they are with tuners & cases. Bottom line: profit margain on the -03 series. Very tight. Higher end series, a different story, but more work involved.
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 12, 2009, 05:28:00 PM
   Also mentioned about the Ping tuners. No one interested? Surprised. Had alot to say about the 2 different plants & the finacial structuring of both. It affects the -03 series & explains why things are the way they are with tuners & cases. Bottom line: profit margain on the -03 series. Very tight. Higher end series, a different story, but more work involved.
     Jeff   :guitar
  We have discussed these issues before. The 03 series is clearly the best buy in N. America for a solid wood git. Many guitar books include that thought when speaking of Larrivee.
                A git priced just north of 1000 has to have very little mark up when they are made as well as these are.
                Pings are not anyones 1st choice for tuning machines, but I have had more good sets than bad on the 8 Larrivees I have owned. The ones on my F-III are working well. I did change the small tuning buttons to the larger style. I think the extra weight helps the tone a smidge and looks better with this size git. Minis look better on parlours and 00's


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on May 12, 2009, 11:55:31 PM
   Danny, just opening up some people eyes to the reasons for the Pings & "inferior" cases, which I personally don't have a problem with. My cloth thing works, I take care of my guitars, but would still like to upgrade the Pings. When I get the $! Am already committed to Luca(asp) for the olive-wood buttons, so I'm tied up $wise for a while. I know we have been over these subjects before, many complaining about the cases, but the emails explain about the reasons for the prices of things & why certain things are used on different series, which some just don't understand. That's all the point of my post was. If anyone wants more info, contact me. I'm working on a letter to summarize, vertually verbatum, what was said. I'm cool with all after hearing Matthew explain all. 'Nough said.  :bgrin:
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 13, 2009, 12:39:07 AM
   Danny, just opening up some people eyes to the reasons for the Pings & "inferior" cases, which I personally don't have a problem with. My cloth thing works, I take care of my guitars, but would still like to upgrade the Pings. When I get the $! Am already committed to Luca(asp) for the olive-wood buttons, so I'm tied up $wise for a while. I know we have been over these subjects before, many complaining about the cases, but the emails explain about the reasons for the prices of things & why certain things are used on different series, which some just don't understand. That's all the point of my post was. If anyone wants more info, contact me. I'm working on a letter to summarize, vertually verbatum, what was said. I'm cool with all after hearing Matthew explain all. 'Nough said.  :bgrin:
     Jeff   :guitar
I'm always up for Matt's replies, PM me if you like. I am interested.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on May 13, 2009, 01:18:23 AM
I picked up that 000 Larrivee case from eBay. Not cheap, but a really good case, and fits the Forum3 like it was built for it, and it does have Larrivee both printed and on a second tag. And I still have room for a polishing cloth on top.

For as long as I intend to keep this guitar, it was a minimal investment, $7/yr for 20 years, and I would have no qualms throwing it in the back of the car with a pile of other equipment now. Nice, new OM size case in the FS section, if anyone wants it. That would cut the cost considerably.

And even though the Pings aren't bad, I will renew the thread about a special buy on Gotoh replacements soon to see if anyone is interested now that they have their guitars -

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 13, 2009, 11:58:52 AM
They are nice, huh? The one I was using to store my OM MT fits it very well and I feel better knowing it's well protected.

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on May 13, 2009, 12:36:04 PM
I'm getting tempted to replace my cases, more because I'm anal retentive than anything else. I can't stand opening my cases and seeing the strings and bridge imprinted on the top of the case.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: iDavid on May 13, 2009, 01:41:22 PM
cases?

I'm still waiting for my F-3  :crying:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on May 13, 2009, 01:51:26 PM
cases?

I'm still waiting for my F-3  :crying:

HONESTLY???

I assumed you had it by now.  It must be painful.  How long has it been in transit?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on May 13, 2009, 02:52:09 PM
Still waiting!!! You HAVE to be the last one - but that may be worth confirming.

Please let us know when you get it, and what you think of it -  :winkin:

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on May 13, 2009, 08:02:15 PM
there are people still waiting for their Forum III's? I've fallen in love with mine and bonded already after 2 months.

I hope you enjoy it iDavid


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on May 13, 2009, 10:56:38 PM
Hey guys, I've been out traveling for work pretty much every week for the past 2 months. I'm a little backlogged on mail. I just got through the last pile and I noticed that I have the thank you card! I'm very sorry and I'll send that out right away.

- Adam


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on May 13, 2009, 11:57:18 PM
   Lynda, that way you know it fits nice & tight, @ least in one direction! Won't move up & down, & it won't hurt your guitar, either. Close your eyes when you open your cases! :humour:
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 14, 2009, 12:11:11 AM
there are people still waiting for their Forum III's? I've fallen in love with mine and bonded already after 2 months.

I hope you enjoy it iDavid
Wow, only took me two minutes. :whistling:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on May 14, 2009, 03:45:36 AM
   Yeah, Danny, & that was @ the plant before you even played it! :humour: :wink:
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: iDavid on May 14, 2009, 12:36:09 PM
yep, no F-3 in my house  :crying:

I live in Japan, but have an American APO address.  Sometimes things take a long time to get here.  I think it is flying around the long way.

My F3 has been in transit over a MONTH.  PAINFUL?  not so much.  When it gets here and its OK, I'll be good.

I got a Cargo awhile back and have had some time to get use to it and I'm not diggin it, so I am REALLY looking forward to the F3  :nana_guitar

david


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on May 15, 2009, 11:20:57 PM
I have posted the information about a Forum order for Gotoh drop-in replacement tuners for the Forum 3, as well as any other Larrivee that uses Ping minis, in the FOR SALE section. If anyone has any interest, please read it and respond to me -

Thanks -   Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 16, 2009, 12:18:53 AM
I have posted the information about a Forum order for Gotoh drop-in replacement tuners for the Forum 3, as well as any other Larrivee that uses Ping minis, in the FOR SALE section. If anyone has any interest, please read it and respond to me -

Thanks -   Tad
  Tad if they fit, and you can get the buttons in white.   
                                     I'm In.


THANKS TAD, I know it's a hassle to do this. And I appreciate your effort.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 16, 2009, 12:52:23 AM
   OK friends,ladies, gentlemenand Larrivites(sounds like a gang from Canaan) You have to read the Bible to understand that reference.
    I went to many guitar stores in Austin, Tejas and only found one DECENT case for travleing with "1of78" which it shall hence forth be known as, since no one but me and ricky ever refer to it as ''danny's git''
 
                     Anyway... I plan on taking 1of78 to Philly next week, and putting it in the very capable hands of Jonathan, who is also known as GA-ME. I know he's a very serious player and budding luthier. A man after my own heart, so to speak. So I look forward with anticipation to meet him face to face. And just as I suppose it will be when Matt and I meet finally in person, I will be overwhelmed and unable to relax and just play my git the way I know how to play.
                   This post is about a guitar case btw.

 But, these two guys are both very much, an inspiration to me. Matt tries as hard as he can to better himself and help others to do the same. And Jon has overcome more adversity than most people will ever face in there entire lifetime, yet he keeps surfacing from the despair and translates it into positive energy both in musical talent, improvement of his intellectual status and his creative skills seem to be surpassing all of us except unclrob, in the way he takes on hopeless gits and makes them wonderful instruments to be enjoyed by more generations.
                   What does this have to do with a F-III?

         Well, I want a better case to travel with. I will be flying from Tejas to Pennsylvania and then driving  all over the eastern  states for a week. Then traveling back to Tejas. SO I NEED A BETTER CASE.
          I can't wait for one to be shipped, so I bought a "Roadrunner" CLSC case. It fits in every way, except the length of the body itself. So I decided to take an exacto knife and carefully slit the plush fabric, so I can peel it back.
            Then I will carve the hard foam to the exact shape of the F-III and use double sided tape (the good stuff) to re-secure the plush liner.
           I think in the end I will have a very nice flite/travel case. Actually very similar to my Martin case. It only cost $80, so I think that's a bargain. It was on sale at GC.

               So any thoughts?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on May 16, 2009, 02:25:14 AM
I think we need some pics -  :bgrin:

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on May 16, 2009, 05:04:17 AM
I got a Cargo awhile back and have had some time to get use to it and I'm not diggin it

I hear you david. The Cargo by CA Guitars that I test drove earlier this week did not do it for me. It's okay for finger picking. I was actually amazed at the nice bottom sound. Once I started strumming it, there was a "numbness" (pardon the tactile description) in the sound - kinda like an unplugged electric git only a little more volume. If it was half its 4-digit Canadian price tag, maybe I'd consider; but I'm still biased toward wood.

And Danny... the FG III is "danny's git" - with the tuffy 12th and tadol nomenclature... always has, always is, always will be.

ricky #78of78


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: iDavid on May 16, 2009, 12:49:09 PM
I hear you david. The Cargo by CA Guitars that I test drove earlier this week did not do it for me. It's okay for finger picking. I was actually amazed at the nice bottom sound. Once I started strumming it, there was a "numbness" (pardon the tactile description) in the sound - kinda like an unplugged electric git only a little more volume. If it was half its 4-digit Canadian price tag, maybe I'd consider; but I'm still biased toward wood.

And Danny... the FG III is "danny's git" - with the tuffy 12th and tadol nomenclature... always has, always is, always will be.

ricky #78of78

I have a CA Legacy and it is wonderful; very full and has a warm aobut it that I have not heard in any other CA guitars. They have a new OM-X which looks like a winner, Raw finish smaller price tag.

I find I prefer my Larry OM-2 overall.  I love the 11/16 neck on it.  I HOPE I get my F3 soon and that it will be all I have hoped for

david


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on May 18, 2009, 12:29:40 PM
I have to echo Ricky's thoughts on the CA Cargo. I played one and hated the tone, although, that being said, hearing Dave play one at the jam in Vancouver, it did sound nice. The price tag is just way too high for the guitar IMHO. :roll


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 18, 2009, 03:22:01 PM
How much for Dave?

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: iDavid on May 19, 2009, 10:32:14 AM
How much for Dave?

holly

Do you mean for the Cargo?

I have two.  A dark green and a BRIGHT blue.  I am still waiting on my F3 and it is now PAINFUL. I have to see how that goes, but I am pretty sure one of the Cargos will sell.  I may keep one for my daughter. I do like them better than the Larrivee Spruce and Hog parlor I played.

I keep thinking I should sell all of them and get a Northwood!

david


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 23, 2009, 01:40:04 AM
        So while I was in the neighborhood today I stopped by C.F. Martin Guitar Co. in Nazerath, Pa.
 I checked out the museum and went to the old factory site on North Street. They happen to sell extra stuff from the factory there.
        Anyway I bought a 5 ply archtop Martin 533 Geib style case that fits my F-III very nicely. It was only $110 because they said it was a 2cnd, but I can't find a thing wrong with it other than light scuffing. It fits snuggly and I feel like it will protect 1/78 very nicely for a long time to come.
        I'll post some pics in another thread with a few from the Martin factory. I also have pics of GA_ME playing my F-III he liked it a lot but would say a few things about the neck set etc. Funny thing though he must have asked to play it "one more time" at least five times :thumbsup                               :guitar :guitar :guitar :guitar :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on May 23, 2009, 05:04:15 PM
All -

I've been slack about the whole picture requirement for these guitars.  My lousy photography skills beside, here are a few of #26.  Unique in that it is IS/Hog with cutaway but no HB purfling.  The only one like that in the stack, I believe, which is mildly cool.

It's grown on me.  It was not my favorite when I first got it.  Tight and muffled, especially with the coated strings.  A change to EJ-16s and it's considerably better.  Playing it in has also helped, and I know it'll continue to grow.  Still minor intonation problems, so I'll try to address those when I get it setup at some point.  But it's certainly worth what I paid for it and has a wholly different character than my L-03R or my big Taylor dred.  It's a much better and responsive fingerstyle guitar than either of the others, and strums/flatpicks better than I would have expected.  Good stuff....

Adam

(http://www.alpione.com/f3/smf3-1.jpg)
(http://www.alpione.com/f3/smf3-3.jpg)
(http://www.alpione.com/f3/smf3-4.jpg)
(http://www.alpione.com/f3/smf3-5.jpg)
(http://www.alpione.com/f3/smf3-6.jpg)


(http://www.alpione.com/f3/smf3-7.jpg)

(http://www.alpione.com/f3/smf3-8.jpg)
(http://www.alpione.com/f3/smf3-9.jpg)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: photomat on May 23, 2009, 05:49:11 PM
Adam,

Thanks for sharing the photos.  I really like the cut away.  Enjoy your guitar! and Love the photos......


Matt




Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on May 23, 2009, 06:01:59 PM
It's grown on me.  It was not my favorite when I first got it.  Tight and muffled, especially with the coated strings.  A change to EJ-16s and it's considerably better.  Playing it in has also helped, and I know it'll continue to grow.  Still minor intonation problems, so I'll try to address those when I get it setup at some point.  But it's certainly worth what I paid for it and has a wholly different character than my L-03R or my big Taylor dred.  It's a much better and responsive fingerstyle guitar than either of the others, and strums/flatpicks better than I would have expected.  Good stuff....       Adam

Adam, your comments mirror my impressions almost perfectly.  Intonation seems fine now, but the EJ16s really made a positive difference.  Lots of playing has opened things up as well.  The only concern I have is a low B string that buzzes when I pretend I am a young Leo Kottke.   :wink:
(http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k409/prof_stack/Forum-III_59.jpg)
My version of the vine theme.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lw216316 on May 23, 2009, 06:41:00 PM
hey proof , that's really neat....
a guitar plant !

...can I get a start from you ...or maybe some seeds ?

- Larry


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on May 24, 2009, 01:58:34 AM
hey proof , that's really neat....
a guitar plant !

...can I get a start from you ...or maybe some seeds ?

- Larry

 :roll :roll :roll :roll


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Alpione on May 24, 2009, 05:20:19 PM
Oh, one other thing I forgot to mention is the transition to a 12-fret neck.  While fingerpicking, I've always had the (bad) habit of resting the right heel of my hand on the bridge.  That's fine when needing to palm mute the bass strings, but with the bridge so far down on the lower bout on this guitar, it results in a bass-heavy sound with less treble than I need.  So it has really forced me to work on "hovering" the right hand nearer the soundhole without the crutch of resting my palm. 

It's something I've lazily avoided until now, and I know practicing it will make me a more versatile player.  But for now it's a little bit of a pain!  :)

Have a great day, everyone...

Adam


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: strawintogold on May 24, 2009, 07:58:19 PM
I was completely confounded as to how anyone would do that. Then I realised you must not play in a classical position,lol. Really, I'm holding my guitar going 'Wha?"

holly


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Randy_R on May 24, 2009, 09:50:24 PM
I'm setting this topic non-sticky today. Also non-stickied the spec thread and direct ship threads. Names were deleted from the order thread.

 :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on May 25, 2009, 12:57:10 AM
I was completely confounded as to how anyone would do that. Then I realised you must not play in a classical position,lol. Really, I'm holding my guitar going 'Wha?"

holly
Works ok for fret killer. For me and my relitively new entry into finger pickin, it depends what I'm playing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YjKnXy5GcE&feature=channel_page

The 12 fretter does pretty much does usually have me playing more in a "proper manner" as well though. I can completely relate.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: iDavid on May 25, 2009, 02:43:17 AM
NUMBER 75 iS IN THE HOUSE!   :bgrin:

after 6 weeks or transit, I have my guitar

impression to follow

david


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Denis on May 25, 2009, 10:29:52 AM
NUMBER 75 iS IN THE HOUSE!  :+1:

after 6 weeks or transit, I have my guitar

impression to follow

david

Congrats David....I don't think I could have waited that long!!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on May 25, 2009, 10:53:03 AM
NUMBER 75 iS IN THE HOUSE!  :+1:

after 6 weeks or transit, I have my guitar

impression to follow

david

Can we now assume that all 78 forum gits are with their owners.  I can't believe you had to wait so long!!!

Looking forward to your analysis.  A word of caution, mine took a long time to 'settle' after its journey to the UK.  I don't know if it is because it was so fresh from the factory and then subjected to the travel, changes in temperature, humidity etc, but it took a good two weeks before it would stay in tune consistently etc.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: flatlander on May 25, 2009, 11:56:02 AM
I wonder about this thought???? Since these guitars are so "fresh",  newly built and straight out to the owners, I wonder if they might take a little long to break in and warm up. Even with the controls at larrivee and the care for humidity levels at many of your guys home, does fersh wood still not dry out to some degree and let it move better?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: iDavid on May 25, 2009, 12:21:04 PM
Too soon to say a whole lot, but this baby stays in tune no problem at all.  It has plenty of bass, high end sparkle, and expensive mids.

Jim's set-up was second to none.  Chording on this Hog is as easy as it comes. 

It has a quality I can't quite put my finger one at the moment.

Does anyone know what strings Jim puts on these after he set them up?

back to playing


david


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on May 25, 2009, 12:41:15 PM
David,

I am so thrilled to hear that yours is there and in one piece. I think I was as worried as you.

Looking forward to your review.

Lynda


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: iDavid on May 25, 2009, 02:15:48 PM
David,

I am so thrilled to hear that yours is there and in one piece. I think I was as worried as you.

Looking forward to your review.

Lynda

I appreciate that.

david


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on May 25, 2009, 03:18:58 PM
David - glad it finally got there safe, and even more glad that you are enjoying it - The strings from the factory are D-Addario EXP-16s, so unless you asked Jim to change them, that should be what you have. A number of people report an improvement when they switch to EJ-16s, not liking the coating, but the guitar will open up nicely in just a few weeks of heavy playing, so I'm just using the EXPs as long as I can and will change to EJs later.  I'll probably have my local tech tweak a couple things for me at the same time now that I've gotten to know her better -

Tad



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 25, 2009, 06:32:04 PM
    Today I enjoyed listening to my F-III being played by a long time studio musician. He lives in Nashville but I met up with him in Philly. Anyway, he put it through some different fingerstyles and drop tunings. It sounded...well, real nice.
     He enjoyed it very much and said so many times. Except for once when he reached for a higher fret and the body blocked his hand ;-)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: iDavid on May 26, 2009, 10:17:35 AM
I have to say this hog sounds great, but I am not fully hitting it off with her.  I will give it sometime...

david


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on May 26, 2009, 05:08:58 PM
I have to say this hog sounds great, but I am not fully hitting it off with her.  I will give it sometime...  david

David, your comments are not all that unusual with the FIII.  Give it time and play it a lot.  I think Jim Holler was spot on when he said he would "play the snot out of it".

For example, a low E string fretted at G was initially a dull thud and now has some ring to it.  I think the FIII wood needs a serious wake up call before it gets moving.  Kind of like me before my espresso in the AM!   :tongue:

Question, is the G nut slot tight on yours?  Jim suggested to me today to use 400# sandpaper to carefully enlarge it.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on May 27, 2009, 02:09:06 AM
I wonder about this thought???? Since these guitars are so "fresh",  newly built and straight out to the owners, I wonder if they might take a little long to break in and warm up.

I don't know if I got a good one or if others experience the same but my F-III seems very open, plays in tune, rarely needs tuning and sounds great with the EXP's. I'm really liking this guitar.  Does anyone know if there is any problem using mediums on these?
My OM-MT was tight when it was new, it took about 2 months to start loosening up.  If this F-III opens up more and I can put med's on it  :ohmy:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: willguitar on May 27, 2009, 03:35:54 AM
I would have to agree with Roger (we have the same wood combo I believe).  :+1:

I don't know if I got a good one or if others experience the same but my F-III seems very open, plays in tune, rarely needs tuning and sounds great with the EXP's. I'm really liking this guitar.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on May 27, 2009, 04:16:36 AM
I would have to agree with Roger (we have the same wood combo I believe).  :+1:


You're both right - Scary to think it just gets better sounding the more you play, eh?     :guitar

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on May 27, 2009, 12:04:06 PM
I'm not sure which wood combo you have but my IS/RW sings with lights and is overpowered by mediums.  I doubt that will change when she opens up.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 27, 2009, 11:20:09 PM
  Mine sounds the same as when I first played it. Great.  IS/MH


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: vates on May 28, 2009, 05:02:58 AM
Maybe I'm last one to get his guitar (actually, about two weeks ago) :)
Thanks to everyone on this forum!  My sincere thanks to Jim and Larrivee family!  :nice guitar:

picks are soon to follow


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: iDavid on May 28, 2009, 10:08:20 AM
I'm the last one, a few days ago!

david


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 28, 2009, 12:13:53 PM
Maybe I'm last one to get his guitar (actually, about two weeks ago) :)
Thanks to everyone on this forum!  My sincere thanks to Jim and Larrivee family!  :nice guitar:

picks are soon to follow
  Was this shipped to the Ukraine?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Randy_R on May 28, 2009, 12:52:15 PM
I don't know if I got a good one or if others experience the same but my F-III seems very open, plays in tune, rarely needs tuning and sounds great with the EXP's. I'm really liking this guitar.  Does anyone know if there is any problem using mediums on these?
My OM-MT was tight when it was new, it took about 2 months to start loosening up.  If this F-III opens up more and I can put med's on it  :ohmy:

I asked Jim Holler to set mine up with a set of medium EXP's (80/20s). I'm having mixed feelings about these mediums so far. Usually I like them on guitars.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on May 28, 2009, 04:58:03 PM
Hey Randy - Do you think it is the mediums, or the EXPs, or the 80/20s?

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on May 28, 2009, 08:32:41 PM
Hey Randy - Do you think it is the mediums, or the EXPs, or the 80/20s?   Tad

Or could it be something else? 


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on May 28, 2009, 08:47:57 PM
Maybe the black patch on the inside.  Have you checked no-one has stolen it?  It affects the guitar in all sorts of terrible ways!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: vates on May 29, 2009, 05:21:41 AM
  Was this shipped to the Ukraine?

Jim has shipped the guitar to US-based shipping company which in fact works as mediator. Then this Co. shipped it to Ukraine. It came very fast, but I was out of town for quite a long time: had a great tourist trip in southern mountains. And returned just recently. And saw the package :)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on May 29, 2009, 01:10:26 PM
Jim has shipped the guitar to US-based shipping company which in fact works as mediator. Then this Co. shipped it to Ukraine. It came very fast, but I was out of town for quite a long time: had a great tourist trip in southern mountains. And returned just recently. And saw the package :)
                    That was a nice welcome home treat!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: vates on May 30, 2009, 06:46:52 AM
You are more than close to the truth, Danny  :beer


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on June 01, 2009, 06:43:22 PM
I have to say this hog sounds great, but I am not fully hitting it off with her.  I will give it sometime...david

Had enough time yet, David?  How is the FIII settling in for you?

The LS-03R is opening up nicely now according to my ears.  Some long playing sessions are starting to convince that stiff stubborn Italian top to realize its no longer a tree.  Rather, it's beginning to realize it has a higher calling.   :humour:

The notes are getting to have more rosewood depth and piano-like ringing when chords are struck. 

Hopefully you are experiencing good things.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on June 01, 2009, 09:13:35 PM
   Randy, I asked Jim about doing the same thing, figuring the mediums would sound great with the 12 to the body. He told me that, personally, he'd stay with the lights, which I did. Took the EXP's right off, though, as I couldn't stand them & felt they sounded kinda dull. So just imagine a set of EJ-16's on there, how sweet that would sound. Just got mine back from Jim on Thursday, after an issue came up forcing me to send it back. After 3 weeks, I have it back & am finally getting to experience the sound, great fit (& I'm 6'"6"!), & in your face sound! I'm assumming that will only get better & I plan on glossing it up. Should sound even better then! Randy, put the lights on even if you have to tweak the neck abit. It will sound awesome! And I think the medium EXP's are holding back the sound some, so just imagine what's in srore for you! DO it! :thumb
     Jeff


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on June 01, 2009, 10:19:46 PM
Had enough time yet, David?  How is the FIII settling in for you?

The LS-03R is opening up nicely now according to my ears.  Some long playing sessions are starting to convince that stiff stubborn Italian top to realize its no longer a tree.  Rather, it's beginning to realize it has a higher calling.   :humour:

The notes are getting to have more rosewood depth and piano-like ringing when chords are struck. 

Hopefully you are experiencing good things.
Or is it ...as Jeremy would say your ear has become adjusted? Really doesn't matter either way. I'm glad you like it and most others do too. I know I was the "cheerleader" and well over the top with enthusiasm, but it was "part of me"... or is part of me. In a small way.
       And I really do enjoy it more than my Martin, gibson, and some other nice gits around the house, here and there. Stuffed in an A/C closet or back room or Anwar  (spelling) You know that funky furniture with big doors that can hold two guitars.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on June 01, 2009, 11:53:53 PM
       And I really do enjoy it more than my Martin, gibson, and some other nice gits around the house, here and there. Stuffed in an A/C closet or back room or Anwar  (spelling) You know that funky furniture with big doors that can hold two guitars.

Can't resist....I think you mean "armoire."

Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on June 01, 2009, 11:55:51 PM
Can't resist....I think you mean "armoire."

Mike
Probably... one of those big pieces of furniture that is a small closet ;-)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on June 02, 2009, 06:41:49 PM
Or is it ...as Jeremy would say your ear has become adjusted? Really doesn't matter either way. I'm glad you like it and most others do too.
The wood is vibrating more than the stiff new guitar it was a month ago.  Strummed chords show off the rosewood depth.  Very nice.  Think I'll play it in a couple of minutes.

And I really do enjoy it more than my Martin, gibson, and some other nice gits around the house, here and there. ...
The LS-03R has been getting the most playing time, typical for the new kid on the block.  But when I bring out the D-18GE its very clear which guitar is #1, at least in this house.  The 1934 inspired Martin is really special.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on June 03, 2009, 02:59:23 PM
   After reading all of the posts about how great the RW F-III's sound, which is what I had ordered until my conversation with Dave Wren, makes me wonder what I'm missing. Then I went with the IS/HOG, which is great, but, again, what is there with the RW ones that I'm not getting? I am turning into a HOG lover, still amazed though with my L-10 after all of these years. I've had problems that I'd rather not get into, but it was sent back to Jim for some rework. Now the "B" string is buzzing, making me wonder if I should just change the strings & have the frets checked for levelness. Seem awfully high also. Anybody else experienced the same type of thing? Jim had put a bone nut in mine, which it now has a new one that is much better. I just don't know if this guitar is just going to settle down a bit or if it's something others are living with. Sounds great, plays great, just the occasional buzzing. Anybody? Danny, I know it's been a love-fest for you from the beginning, so I never saw any negative posts about yours, being the same wood combo. Or Normans, same wood also. Am I just blessed to have challenges with this guitar? Hate putting money into it, but after I check the frets, I'll know how off they are, as all are not dead-on.
   Am taking my Baden to a shop I've never been to before that carries Blueridge, looking for a OOO size HOG. Or RW, if it hits me right. Have 2 RW's, 2 HOG's. Have heard alot about them & like my Baden, have been following them for a short while. Any comments or experiences on any OOO Blueridge models? Or to any of my F-III situation?
     Jeff


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on June 03, 2009, 03:36:53 PM
Hi Jeff -

I think it is safe to say that Jim did a good job of set-up without actually sitting and hearing how you play. I asked for mine to be set just a little higher than I like realizing that after I broke her in, I would have a local guy do the little tweaks that dial it in closer to my style. Seemed safer that way.

Re: the saddle and frets - I agree that my saddle will need a bit of adjusting, as I am hearing some minor intonation issues that I am going to ask about. I want to try the Tusq to see if I still hear them. I am also not sure that the frets are all prefect, but they're darn close, and as these are the first new guitars I've ever bought, I assumed that a couple months of playing and acclimatizing would make alot of these issues more apparent, and easier to fix.

RE: RW  vs hog, there is very much a tone difference. I would not call either better, and I still cannot say which I prefer - I think you are lucky if you have either, or any -

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on June 03, 2009, 05:38:18 PM
   After reading all of the posts about how great the RW F-III's sound, which is what I had ordered until my conversation with Dave Wren, makes me wonder what I'm missing. Then I went with the IS/HOG, which is great, but, again, what is there with the RW ones that I'm not getting? ...
Rosewood has more overtones and the bass has a more full sound to it.  But you've got an L10 rosewood monster.  Stick with that one and don't worry about the FIII RW.

... I've had problems that I'd rather not get into, but it was sent back to Jim for some rework. Now the "B" string is buzzing, making me wonder if I should just change the strings & have the frets checked for levelness. Seem awfully high also. Anybody else experienced the same type of thing? Jim had put a bone nut in mine, which it now has a new one that is much better. I just don't know if this guitar is just going to settle down a bit or if it's something others are living with. Sounds great, plays great, just the occasional buzzing. Anybody? ...
I think the FIII guitars were assembled pretty quickly and some attention-to-detail was missing.  The B-string on my LS-03R buzzes with moderate attack, as in flatpicking.  The G-string nut slot is tight, something Jim H mentioned to me about his LIII.  I'm debating whether to sandpaper it some more or take the guitar in for a nut set up.  Last night I noticed some fret ends, but perhaps the unusual 85 degree Seattle heat is affecting the wood and steel.

... I just don't know if this guitar is just going to settle down a bit or if it's something others are living with. Sounds great, plays great, just the occasional buzzing. Anybody? Am I just blessed to have challenges with this guitar? Hate putting money into it, but after I check the frets, I'll know how off they are, as all are not dead-on....    Jeff
The original Tusq saddle might make for better intonation and maybe better (to your ears) sound.  Give it a try!  I am mostly happy with the LS-03R and my appreciation for the guitar seems to be rising.  In many ways I like the sound better than my '74 LoPrinzi RW dread, which I don't play much now.

Also, the mood I am in while playing affects my disposition towards the LIII.  Good mood = I LIKE it, Bad mood = What's with this thing?   :wink: 


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: obe-wan on June 04, 2009, 03:11:08 PM



Can someone attempt to compare one of these in words to an OM-03 please?

                   WAY BETTER. :winkin:
danny


Danny, thems fightin' words ! :mad:      :humour:


Cheers, Scott.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on June 04, 2009, 04:32:28 PM
    I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now. :whistling:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on June 04, 2009, 07:06:12 PM
   Norm & Tad, thanks for the feedback. Jim made a new nut for me, which he does well (I had him do a bone one). His tolerance on the slots is so close that it takes a few sets of strings for them to seat right. Matt (photomat) told me that he went through a few sets before things settled down. I think I'll have to do the same.
   As far as the intonation, Jim did a great job on this setup. For now, the bone saddle is staying, unless I notice some drastic changes. Went to a new store yesterday that turned out to be a Larrivee dealer. News to me. He told me, just as we all thought would happen, that Larrivee was making a run of 50 LS body guitars, him ordering only 2. Didn't say anything about body wood, just that they had a Sitka top (-03 series). I'm assuming they're RW, him saying that they were great finger style guitars. Was bound to happen, as we all knew.
   Now, I'll just change the strings & play the snot out of it, as Jim said. I found out that the build time for mine was about 1 & 1/2 months, about half the time of normal -03 series guitars. Must have found a way to cut corners but still keep us happy!
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on June 04, 2009, 11:24:33 PM
   Norm, I was also discussing the weather patterns lately & how that might be messing with our guitars. Makes sense. Hope all calms down & gets back to normal (?) soon.
     Jeff


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on June 04, 2009, 11:46:05 PM
Bluesman1
Re:    Larrivee making another batch of LS-03 guitars........   
I heard from another dealer recently that these would be LS bodies with standard 14 fret necks rather than the F III 12 fretters.  Based on the dealer cost he was quoted these will, almost certainly, be more expensive than the forum guitars.  I'm sure that these will be nice guitars and I don't blame the factory for taking advantage of the wave of enthusiasm to produce more of these.  They will not, however, be the same as a forum III without the numbers and signature.  The 14 fret version is bound to have different tonal characteristics.
For some, it may be more desirable than the 12 fret version though.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: jeremy3220 on June 05, 2009, 12:12:15 AM
The 14 fret version is bound to have different tonal characteristics.

Especially since both tone bars will most likely be below the bridge plate, certainly altering the long dipole mode.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on June 05, 2009, 12:23:33 AM
Bluesman1
Re:    Larrivee making another batch of LS-03 guitars........   
I heard from another dealer recently that these would be LS bodies with standard 14 fret necks rather than the F III 12 fretters.  Based on the dealer cost he was quoted these will, almost certainly, be more expensive than the forum guitars.  I'm sure that these will be nice guitars and I don't blame the factory for taking advantage of the wave of enthusiasm to produce more of these.  They will not, however, be the same as a forum III without the numbers and signature.  The 14 fret version is bound to have different tonal characteristics.
For some, it may be more desirable than the 12 fret version though.

Not only will they sound different with the 14-frets, but an Italian spruce top, as many of us now know, is a significant tonal upgrade from sitka.  Still these will be very nice guitars though.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on June 05, 2009, 01:35:02 AM
Especially since both tone bars will most likely be below the bridge plate, certainly altering the long dipole mode.

 :?  -  Uh, OK, - I guess I like my long dipole mode just the way it is -

Sure wish we could get a nice chalk drawing of that one so I can pretend to understand it -

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on June 05, 2009, 03:15:54 AM
:?  -  Uh, OK, - I guess I like my long dipole mode just the way it is -

Sure wish we could get a nice chalk drawing of that one so I can pretend to understand it -

Tad
  There was a picture of the bracing in the build thread. It was pointed out by Jeremy as having been altered from other larrivees. Which may be part of the richer tone being produced. To my ear there is a definite difference in the sound of the F-III and other Larrivee models.   (And I know, it's not "better'' just different)




sounds better to me though


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: jeremy3220 on June 05, 2009, 03:27:15 AM
:?  -  Uh, OK, - I guess I like my long dipole mode just the way it is -

Sure wish we could get a nice chalk drawing of that one so I can pretend to understand it -

Tad

It just means the mode of vibration where the soundboard behind the bridge is moving up while in front of the bridge is moving down. I believe this occurs at the second harmonic of the main resonant mode of the top.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BluesMan1 on June 05, 2009, 03:36:02 AM
   Yes, Lynn, Joseph, et all, you are all correct. Just forgot to mention the fact that they won't be 12 to the body & not #'d. I'm not down-playing our F-III's @ all, just letting those that didn't know, aware that they are making some LS -03's. That's all. Lynn, and I thought you remembered my name? :humour:
   Also just opening up more to talk about. Bye.
     Jeff   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on June 05, 2009, 06:24:44 AM
It just means the mode of vibration where the soundboard behind the bridge is moving up while in front of the bridge is moving down. I believe this occurs at the second harmonic of the main resonant mode of the top.

Very interesting - are you using "mode" interchangeably with "note" here? Is it a particular note/mode on all guitars? And the second harmonic would be an octave plus a perfect 5th above then?

Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: jeremy3220 on June 05, 2009, 01:41:01 PM
Very interesting - are you using "mode" interchangeably with "note" here? Is it a particular note/mode on all guitars? And the second harmonic would be an octave plus a perfect 5th above then?

Mike

Not exactly, the modes always occur at a frequency but they also refer to the type of vibration- as is the case with long dipole mode, cross dipole mode, and monopole mode. The second harmonic is just double the frequency.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on June 05, 2009, 01:55:45 PM
Very interesting - are you using "mode" interchangeably with "note" here? Is it a particular note/mode on all guitars? And the second harmonic would be an octave plus a perfect 5th above then?

Mike
  Mike I am sending you a PM


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: jeremy3220 on June 05, 2009, 02:06:25 PM
  Mike I am sending you a PM

I didn't know resonant modes was such a secretive topic.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on June 05, 2009, 02:09:28 PM
I didn't know resonant modes was such a secretive topic.

Danny is being very decent here.  He appreciates that 2367 members' brains just exploded, and wanted to spare as many souls as he could.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: jeremy3220 on June 05, 2009, 02:14:39 PM
Danny is being very decent here.  He appreciates that 2367 members' brains just exploded, and wanted to spare as many souls as he could.

Then why is it a personal message? And why does he appreciate that thousands of people's brains exploded?

You guys scare me sometimes.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on June 05, 2009, 02:15:20 PM
I didn't know resonant modes was such a secretive topic.
 
                   It was about his F-III, but not this subject.

Danny is being very decent here.  He appreciates that 2367 members' brains just exploded, and wanted to spare as many souls as he could.
                   Good stuff Ben. Heh, what is the name of those Shortbread cookies that make "Walkers" look like garbage? I would sure like to find some.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on June 05, 2009, 02:16:36 PM
I was trying desperately to be funny, since the resonant modes discussion had utterly baffled me and fried my brain, sorry my humour is pathetic.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on June 05, 2009, 02:17:46 PM
what is the name of those Shortbread cookies that make "Walkers" look like garbage? I would sure like to find some.

Deans - I believe they may deliver internationally.  Google 'Deans of Huntly'


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on June 05, 2009, 02:18:18 PM
I was trying desperately to be funny, since the resonant modes discussion had utterly baffled me and fried my brain, sorry my humour is pathetic.
               No it's not!!!  Don't buy that introspective junk.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Yoyodyne on June 05, 2009, 02:51:04 PM
Perhaps this will be of use:

Resonance frequency-
All materials have a fundamental resonance frequency, which can be defined as the frequency at which the material transmits the maximum amount of energy imparted to it. Think of a bell; tap it and the frequency at which it rings is its resonance frequency.

Q-
Q is the ratio of transmitted energy to dissipated energy. A crystal glass has a high Q, because most of the energy imparted to the crystal (for example, by tapping it) is converted to acoustic energy (the sound of the crystal ringing). Very little energy is dissipated within the crystal material, it is mostly passed on as acoustic energy (sound).

By contrast, a material like clay has an extremely low Q. Strike a block of clay and the material easily deforms, and thus dissipates the energy of the strike within the clay material (as heat; vigorously knead some clay and you'll feel it get warm). There is obviously very little sound arising from the strike, that's why clay-like materials are so popular for sound deadening.

Phase-
When the top of a guitar vibrates, not all areas of the top are moving in the same direction at the same time. When some areas are moving outward (away from the guitar's back) others are moving back (towards the guitar back). One full cycle of a sound waveform can be described as encompassing 360 degrees of movement. Visualize a circle. At the far left of the circle's equator represents 0, when the guitar top is silent. Move clockwise 90 degrees and you have the maximum positive amplitude (when the top is moving the farthest distance outward), then go another another 90 degrees clockwise and the top has returned to a neutral position. But the top continues to move, now towards the back of the guitar, with another 90 degree move around that circle representing the maximum negative amplitude (when the top is moving the farthest distance inward). And finally go another 90 degrees clockwise and the guitar has returned to its original starting point.

It's important to understand this concept, because all areas on the top of the guitar are definitely NOT all moving together in unison. Some parts are moving outwards while others are moving inwards. Thus the different areas of the top are out of phase with each other, with the result that some frequencies are reinforced (when different areas are moving together in the same direction) while others frequencies are being cancelled (when some areas of the top are moving forward and others are moving backward, any frequencies common to those those out-of-phase areas will be cancelled).

These considerations help explain why the shape of a guitar's top and the number, location and stiffness of its braces are so important. All play key roles in determining the resonance frequencies of the various areas of the top, and the ways in which those areas of the top (and the rest of the guitar body!) interact. And we haven't even discussed the size, shape and location of the soundhole, not to mention the bridge and neck...



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on June 05, 2009, 03:16:27 PM
Good Stuff! Ok, now I'm ready for modes -


Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: jbrummer on June 05, 2009, 03:23:15 PM
Yoyodyne,

Where were you when I was taking physics in high school?  Seriously, I've been a teacher for nearly 20 years (granted, in literature rather than physics) and I appreciate the clarity and brevity of your explanation.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Yoyodyne on June 05, 2009, 05:43:30 PM
Glad to help!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: pennerblue on June 05, 2009, 06:00:30 PM
Glad to help!

You did indeed. Thanks.  I need/want to learn more of this stuff.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on June 05, 2009, 07:24:44 PM
I didn't know resonant modes was such a secretive topic.

Turns out they aren't.

Thanks for the clarification re harmonics. I always thought the first harmonic was the first above the actual note being produced.

Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on June 05, 2009, 08:20:58 PM
Slightly changing the subject, but I am spending some quality time with my Larrivees tonight!  I expected to find this forum-III to be a great all round guitar, but favouring strumming, an my OM-03 to be prodominantly a picker.  Since ordering the forum III I have experienced about 14 of those breakthrough moments of learning, and having sold my D-09 to fund the forum-III I really began to bond with my OM-03.  It turns out that with a new bone saddle and some minor tweaks, the OM has turned out to be, and continues to develop into a beatuiful gentle strummer, and the forum III just excells for fingerstyle.

I am slightly confsed that this has ended up the other way around from my expectations, but what the hey!

I have been working on some fingerstyle songs, and am really beginning to get the wow factor from my forum-III.  Apart from the minir intonation issues, I think all my early questions about this guitar were based on wrong expectations.

Strange how these things turn out.

I suppose the LSV-11 is the fingerstyle speciality guitar in the line up, and it is RW/Spruce.  Maybe I was just plain wrong in the first place to expect a great stummer.

either way, I have the two guitars I really really really wanted, just in different colours, lol!

Full marks for the forum-III for just being a downright fantastic guitar.



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Yoyodyne on June 05, 2009, 08:22:31 PM
Lots of interesting info here:

http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/music/guitaracoustics/modes.html

Speaking of harmonics, even-order (double, quadruple, etc. the frequency of the fundamental note) distortion is the reason why tube guitars amps sound so sweet and fat. Tube amps predominantly generate even-order distortion, which is pleasing (euphonic) to the human ear. Transistor amps generate odd-order harmonic distortion (three times, five times, etc. the frequency of the fundamental note), which is harsh-sounding and unpleasant to the human ear/brain.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on June 05, 2009, 11:08:25 PM
Danny is being very decent here.  He appreciates that 2367 members' brains just exploded, and wanted to spare as many souls as he could.

Exactly how I was feeling!  :?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: pennerblue on June 06, 2009, 03:06:11 AM

I am slightly confsed that this has ended up the other way around from my expectations, but what the hey!


Different strokes for different folks (or perhaps, different strums for different chums).
It's awesome that you have "landed" with two guitars that meet your needs.
Congrats.
We too, are reaping the benefits...via your soundclips.

Penner


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on June 06, 2009, 03:28:50 AM
    Regarding strumming and fingerstyle on the F-III.
              I have been very impressed with mine being a very good strummer. All I need is a slightly taller saddle and it is just taking all I want to give it. Then I use a lower saddle for most of my playing, which is without a pick and it sounds fantastic in that style.
               Of course I need to switch saddles sometimes. But I also enjoy a few other gits for strumming so I leave the lower saddle in most of the time.

                I did play a Larrivee OMV-03E that really impressed me a few weeks ago, not enough to buy it though.
  But if I could find a 4'' depth OM MT used I would be hard pressed not to scoop it up. I really want a slot head but that limits you to a 00 or a SD with my shoulder issues. Unless someone knows of a slot head in an OM or smaller size.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: iDavid on June 06, 2009, 04:10:23 AM
I can strum my F-3MT FULL-ON and it just asked it I got any more!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: dazdarren on June 15, 2009, 02:01:58 AM
Sorry if this falls into the "there are no dumb questions, just dumb people" category.  I'm not good at doing a search and after scrolling through the first several pages of the 49 in this thread I figured might be quicker to throw the question out there.

What brand and gauge strings (EXP 15 or EXP 16) were installed as standard issue on the Forum III? 

Time to get some new strings and see the 2 for 1 offer on EXPs is still out there.

Thanks in advance


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on June 15, 2009, 02:11:06 AM
  16's I think.   I just changed mine to EJ-16's today. I like the way they made the F-III even brighter, what I mean is more bell like, ringing with very clear notes. It was that way already, just seems even clearer now. I did put another saddle in at the same time though.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Daysailer on June 15, 2009, 03:31:29 AM
Finally decided to change the strings on my F-III, hog/is.

DR Sunbeam round wounds.  12-54's

WOW  !!!   The trebles finally sound like I was hoping, with no loss of the growlling bass.

I can strum my F-3MT FULL-ON and it just asked it I got any more!

After reading this, tried some strumming.   Sounded real good....
Kicked it up a notch.....and another notch.....and another notch

This smaller box can really take it...... could not seem to overdrive this guitar,  without risking hurting myself..

Nice bonus, considering I wanted a really nice fingerstyle guitar, and got one...

 :nana_guitar    ds



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on June 15, 2009, 01:19:28 PM
DS,

That's a long time to wait to try out new strings, especially if the strings on it didn't sound good for you!  Glad you are digging the tone now.  :beer


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: obe-wan on June 16, 2009, 11:26:32 AM
   I really want a slot head but that limits you to a 00 or a SD with my shoulder issues. Unless someone knows of a slot head in an OM or smaller size.

(Whispers) Taylor......Shhhhh.! :cop:



So guys, Ive got the OM-03R, which is my all rounder, (it has to be , its all I own) and have been seriously considering a Mahogany small body as an interesting alternative, especially for fingerstyle blues. Ive noticed theres a couple popping up on the for sale section. Should I buy one? (silly question on this thread I guess) or should I keep saving for an OM- or 000-50?

Cheers, Scott.



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on June 16, 2009, 11:42:17 AM
(Whispers) Taylor......Shhhhh.! :cop:



So guys, Ive got the OM-03R, which is my all rounder, (it has to be , its all I own) and have been seriously considering a Mahogany small body as an interesting alternative, especially for fingerstyle blues. Ive noticed theres a couple popping up on the for sale section. Should I buy one? (silly question on this thread I guess) or should I keep saving for an OM- or 000-50?

Cheers, Scott.


   Scott my two favorite guitars are my Mahogany IS F-III and my RW 16 year old Martin OM-21.  I highly reccomend the Hog IS F-III. I have heard them all. And this combination is just ''spot on".  Getting your set up right seems to be the only real issue.

                 And I am replacing my tuners as soon a my buddy Tad can nail it down.

          So of course I say ''Go for it" Just read and listen to Denis' playing his Hog IS.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: obe-wan on June 16, 2009, 11:45:18 AM
   

          So of course I say ''Go for it" Just read and listen to Denis' playing his Hog IS.

Where do I find this mate?

Cheers, scott.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on June 16, 2009, 11:49:14 AM
Where do I find this mate?

Cheers, scott.
             Look up the posts for "Denis". He is on you tube also. I need to get ready to go down to the hospital right now. Denis also has a current topic about waiting on a F-III. He now has two. His first was hog/Is and now he has a RW also. He traded in his 00-50 for it.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on June 16, 2009, 11:52:33 AM
             Look up the posts for "Denis". He is on you tube also. I need to get ready to go down to the hospital right now. Denis also has a current topic about waiting on a F-III. He now has two. His first was hog/Is and now he has a RW also. He traded in his 00-50 for it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P640z2pqjqk


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: obe-wan on June 16, 2009, 12:05:12 PM
Wow. err. Wow. Should I just give up playing now. Im a bit speechless.  :ohmy: Superb springs to mind. I didnt know you could make guitars do that. How does he do that? Sorry, Im rambling. Great stuff Denis!

Cheers. Scott.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on June 16, 2009, 12:15:04 PM
Wow. err. Wow. Should I just give up playing now. Im a bit speechless.  :ohmy: Superb springs to mind. I didnt know you could make guitars do that. How does he do that? Sorry, Im rambling. Great stuff Denis!

Cheers. Scott.

Yeah, it is great to listen to, but whe you see him play it with what appears to be absolutely no effort, it just makes me want to give up sometimes!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Denis on June 16, 2009, 02:22:02 PM
Yeah, it is great to listen to, but whe you see him play it with what appears to be absolutely no effort, it just makes me want to give up sometimes!

 :blush:

Thanks guys....but there are plenty of players out there that make me want to give up sometimes too...like this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZKUcGTmvos



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on June 16, 2009, 02:44:38 PM
(Whispers) Taylor......Shhhhh.! :cop:



So guys, Ive got the OM-03R, which is my all rounder, (it has to be , its all I own) and have been seriously considering a Mahogany small body as an interesting alternative, especially for fingerstyle blues. Ive noticed theres a couple popping up on the for sale section. Should I buy one? (silly question on this thread I guess) or should I keep saving for an OM- or 000-50?

Cheers, Scott.



Scott
I guess I am a bit biased on the subject but I have an OM-03R like you and also a 000-50 ( all hog) and I find them to be perfect compliments to one another.    My OM-03R is ten times the guitar it was when I bought it 3 years ago.  It just continues to get bigger and better sounding.   The 000-50 is simply an awsome fingerpicking machine.  The wider neck takes some getting used to but it just sounds like nothing else I own.   I just keep bouncing between the OM-03R, the 000-50 and the new(ish) Forum III LS-03;    Can't make up my mind which one I prefer.  All are awesome.

Tuffythepug



Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: jimmy buffett on June 16, 2009, 03:29:23 PM
:blush:

Thanks guys....but there are plenty of players out there that make me want to give up sometimes too...like this guy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZKUcGTmvos

Denis, your work is fantastic, but you know you can't compare yourself to Lenny.  He was one of the world's three CGP, along with Chet and Tommy. 

I knew a fellow who had a weekly music show on CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation - for those of you not living in the Great White North) and he had some pretty interesting stories about Lenny.  He was a most interesting and talented guy, and led an unusual life right from the start.  With a father who was a professional musician, he was consumed by music (specifically guitar) from an early age and left school at 14 or 15 to tour with his father. Like so many uber talented guys, his life came to an early and unfortunate end at the hand of his girl friend in an L.A. motel, if I'm not mistaken.

He was raised in Winnipeg, and living right around the corner was a young Randy Bachman, and Lenny taught him his first jazz chords...

jimmy


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Denis on June 16, 2009, 03:34:49 PM
Denis, your work is fantastic, but you know you can't compare yourself to Lenny.  He was one of the world's three CGP, along with Chet and Tommy. 

I knew a fellow who had a weekly music show on CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation - for those of you not living in the Great White North) and he had some pretty interesting stories about Lenny.  He was a most interesting and talented guy, and led an unusual life right from the start.  With a father who was a professional musician, he was consumed by music (specifically guitar) from an early age and left school at 14 or 15 to tour with his father. Like so many uber talented guys, his life came to an early and unfortunate end at the hand of his girl friend in an L.A. motel, if I'm not mistaken.

He was raised in Winnipeg, and living right around the corner was a young Randy Bachman, and Lenny taught him his first jazz chords...

jimmy

Lenny's daughter made a documentary about him a few years back.  She interviewed Chet Atkins, Ted Grene, Pat Metheny, Andy Summers...a bunch of people and they said Lenny was a monster on the guitar but that he couldn never keep things together in his personal life.  Lots of info here:  www.guitarchives.com which is Randy Bachman's site.  They used to sell the documentary on VHS at this site.  I've seen it on YouTube in several installments.  Truly cool and tragic...

I could never compare myself to him Jimmy...just saying, sometimes, I listen to people that play that just make me want to throw my guitars out the wndow and Lenny was one of them.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: jimmy buffett on June 16, 2009, 06:24:41 PM
I could never compare myself to him Jimmy...just saying, sometimes, I listen to people that play that just make me want to throw my guitars out the wndow and Lenny was one of them.

If I could play like you, Denis, i wouldn't compare myself to anyone either.  Not that I waste any time worrying about this, because as my friend says, "it's not a competition" (OK, it actually is, but I continue to delude myself  :humour:!)

Having said that,  after listening to a few of your YouTube contributions, I went to my new toy - a JCL 40th Anniversary reissue, and for the first time, it sounded kinda' plain.

No - wait a minute - it wasn't the guitar, it was me.  Now I'm not likely to throw it away so soon, but listening to you had a sobering influence on me.  Now I need to go back and practice some more for the get-together this Saturday with some of my guitar playing pals.  Always a good time for kids of all ages...

jimmy


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: es-335 on June 16, 2009, 08:19:24 PM
Danny, My hog F3 goes quite well with EJ16's...
IMO, Hog and PB go very well :)

Do you use EJ16's on your OM-21 as well?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on June 16, 2009, 10:40:02 PM
I could never compare myself to him ... just saying, sometimes, I listen to people that play that just make me want to throw my guitars out the wndow and Lenny was one of them.
I'd love to have his guitar chops but am afraid that would come at the cost of something I wouldn't want to lose - like family, friends, and life.  Such a shame he died so young.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on June 16, 2009, 11:32:55 PM
Danny, My hog F3 goes quite well with EJ16's...
IMO, Hog and PB go very well :)

Do you use EJ16's on your OM-21 as well?
  I use Dean Markley Gold Bronze Alchemys. 12-54      I just like them. I tried othher strings, but always put the Alchemy's back on the OM-21.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Denis on June 17, 2009, 10:41:14 AM
I'd love to have his guitar chops but am afraid that would come at the cost of something I wouldn't want to lose - like family, friends, and life.  Such a shame he died so young.

He had a legendary drug problem which ultimately did him in...but yeah, chops, chops and more chops!!!!

I'm starting to think I might want to try an all mahogany FIII now....hhmmmm....actually, that would probably be a mistake!!!!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on June 17, 2009, 02:47:18 PM
Denis - it wouldn't be. And it would make me feel much better to know that at least one other person had to have one of each -

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Denis on June 17, 2009, 02:52:47 PM
Denis - it wouldn't be. And it would make me feel much better to know that at least one other person had to have one of each -

Tad

Well...I know I'd "like" one of each but "had to have"....not sure I'd go that far!!!   :roll

Seriously though, I would love to at least play one just to see if it's got something the other don't have....again, that would probably be a mistake!!!!  GAS would strike me like lightening I'm sure!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on June 17, 2009, 04:56:31 PM

I'm starting to think I might want to try an all mahogany FIII now....hhmmmm....actually, that would probably be a mistake!!!!


Well, as one of those folks who joined the multiple-FIII club (all-hog, IS/RW), I prefer the all-hog so far although there are some unresolved intonation issues on the IS/RW which have discouraged me from playing it much yet.

The all-hog has a beautifully balanced sound and great sustain, not as bright as the the IS/RW but I prefer the blend on the all-hog. It's kind of like the difference between an LP and a CD - the CD is much brighter out of the box but after you listen to an LP for awhile you realize everything is there and it's just a different balance of sound.

To be fair, however, the all-hog has had 20x as much playing time and is starting to settle in while the IS/RW is waiting on a tweak or two which should happen next week...

Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Denis on June 17, 2009, 05:31:32 PM

Well, as one of those folks who joined the multiple-FIII club (all-hog, IS/RW), I prefer the all-hog so far although there are some unresolved intonation issues on the IS/RW which have discouraged me from playing it much yet.

The all-hog has a beautifully balanced sound and great sustain, not as bright as the the IS/RW but I prefer the blend on the all-hog. It's kind of like the difference between an LP and a CD - the CD is much brighter out of the box but after you listen to an LP for awhile you realize everything is there and it's just a different balance of sound.

To be fair, however, the all-hog has had 20x as much playing time and is starting to settle in while the IS/RW is waiting on a tweak or two which should happen next week...

Mike

My mahogany/IS has a lot of playing time already too including a couple of gigs....another one coming up this weekend (Woody's on Elgin St in Ottawa if any of you are nearby) and it is an outstanding guitar.  Funny thing though, the RW/IS is not giving me the same intonation issues I've been hearing about, or even experienced like like the first week I had the mahogany/IS??
Must be Jim's bone saddle/set up.  It's really a tremendous guitar.  I haven't done any major strumming with it so far, only fingerstyle....and fingerstyle sounbds GOOD on the RW/IS!!!! 

We'll see how they develop over the coming weeks and months.  Who knows, I may end up keeping both...and I may not.  Only time will tell.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on June 17, 2009, 05:35:46 PM
Mike, this is probably gonna sound just idiotic and stupid, but as my RW/IS was played, the intonation issue got less and less severe, to the point where it isn't even noticable below the 12th fret now.  The whole guitar seemed to settle down.  I think the length of time between being a block of wood and being in a customers hands was significantly less than typical guitar builds.

I can't put mine down now, but had similar reservations as you for the first few weeks.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on June 17, 2009, 08:07:34 PM
Mike, this is probably gonna sound just idiotic and stupid, but as my RW/IS was played, the intonation issue got less and less severe, to the point where it isn't even noticable below the 12th fret now.  The whole guitar seemed to settle down.  I think the length of time between being a block of wood and being in a customers hands was significantly less than typical guitar builds.

I can't put mine down now, but had similar reservations as you for the first few weeks.


In this case I'm not sure more playing is the solution, I think it's partly at least a poorly cut nut which is causing the problem, but perhaps you're right to some extent. This was direct so it didn't go through Jim, to also respond to Denis's comment - I don't know how to double-quote. I expect to take it in to Larrivee in Vancouver next week, assuming Ed is back.

I've certainly noticed that the all-hog has settled down a bit as far as staying in tune goes - as opposed to intonation - and we had an unseasonably dry spring in Vancouver with well-below average humidity so I've been watching that pretty carefully.

Mike


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on June 18, 2009, 12:48:06 AM

In this case I'm not sure more playing is the solution, I think it's partly at least a poorly cut nut which is causing the problem, but perhaps you're right to some extent. This was direct so it didn't go through Jim, to also respond to Denis's comment - I don't know how to double-quote. I expect to take it in to Larrivee in Vancouver next week, assuming Ed is back.

I've certainly noticed that the all-hog has settled down a bit as far as staying in tune goes - as opposed to intonation - and we had an unseasonably dry spring in Vancouver with well-below average humidity so I've been watching that pretty carefully.

Mike
   You can "double quote" by using the "insert quote" next to someones post. Do a "preview" after you qoute and write. Then it will have the" insert quote" as you scroll down from your preview.


In this case I'm not sure more playing is the solution, I think it's partly at least a poorly cut nut which is causing the problem, but perhaps you're right to some extent. This was direct so it didn't go through Jim, to also respond to Denis's comment - I don't know how to double-quote. I expect to take it in to Larrivee in Vancouver next week, assuming Ed is back.

I've certainly noticed that the all-hog has settled down a bit as far as staying in tune goes - as opposed to intonation - and we had an unseasonably dry spring in Vancouver with well-below average humidity so I've been watching that pretty carefully.

Mike
Like that


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on June 18, 2009, 01:43:55 AM

In this case I'm not sure more playing is the solution, I think it's partly at least a poorly cut nut which is causing the problem, but perhaps you're right to some extent. This was direct so it didn't go through Jim...
Mike

The Tusq not was not changed or altered by Jim H.  Last week I took the LS-03R to a guitar tech for a possible setup.  He noticed that the B and treble E nut slots were not cut as deep and that the G slot was tight (I already knew that).
(http://i326.photobucket.com/albums/k409/prof_stack/Profs_Nut_03.jpg)
I sanded the G slot so the string could be easily tuned without binding.  Not a great looking job, but the tuning is fine now.  But even before the sanding the B and E strings were visibly higher than the lower four strings.

I'm thinking I should have another nut put in as the factory Tusq was apparently not done correctly.  What do you think?

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Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on June 18, 2009, 02:10:17 AM
   You can "double quote" by using the "insert quote" next to someones post. Do a "preview" after you qoute and write. Then it will have the" insert quote" as you scroll down from your preview.
 Like that

Thank you.

   You can "double quote" by using the "insert quote" next to someones post. Do a "preview" after you qoute and write. Then it will have the" insert quote" as you scroll down from your preview.
 Like that

Thank you.   :beer


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: pennerblue on June 18, 2009, 02:01:46 PM
Well here's another plug for the all hog.  My brother visited me this week.  He has played some guitar, but not much.  However, he is consumed with music of all types.  I believe he has 5000 LPS as well as countless CDs.

He liked the tone of the LS03-MT best over my silver oak, L03R and my Guild (rosewood) D-50.

I like it best for picking rather than strumming, and I prefer silk and bronze(or steel) strings on it.  I'd rather strum the other guitars.

Penner


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on June 19, 2009, 12:47:18 AM
Just thought I would mention that both tusq nuts have been changed out for bone nuts on my FIIIs. Both of the luthiers who worked on my guitars were not impressed/happy with the tusq nuts for the same kinds of reasons you were mentioning.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on June 25, 2009, 03:27:48 PM
Just thought I would mention that both tusq nuts have been changed out for bone nuts on my FIIIs. Both of the luthiers who worked on my guitars were not impressed/happy with the tusq nuts for the same kinds of reasons you were mentioning.
That makes sense.  I've got a July 14 appointment to bring the FIII in for a new cut bone nut.  What is the "typical" price for such a job?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on June 25, 2009, 03:44:42 PM
That makes sense.  I've got a July 14 appointment to bring the FIII in for a new cut bone nut.  What is the "typical" price for such a job?

I was quoted £20-30 today from a luthier, so that would be $35-50USD, which seemed resonable to me.  I don't know how that compares with other peoples experiences.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on June 25, 2009, 04:04:59 PM
Seems to depend on the luthier. I paid Cdn$100!!!! for Bella's, but only Cdn$50 for Sienna's.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Stephen Basil on June 25, 2009, 05:12:00 PM
I was charged $50 Canadian to have the nut and saddle replaced, but I provided the Colosi bits.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on June 25, 2009, 07:23:53 PM
Mine cost 5-10 $ US...and a lot of patience ;-)


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on June 25, 2009, 07:57:08 PM
danny, if i had the tools and the skills I would do it myself. Saddle yes, nut no way!!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on June 25, 2009, 09:52:50 PM
Seems to depend on the luthier. I paid Cdn$100!!!! for Bella's, but only Cdn$50 for Sienna's.

How much is that in "Monkey Money"?    :whistling:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on June 26, 2009, 12:27:37 AM
How much is that in "Monkey Money"?    :whistling:

Lynn, well you managed to put a smile on my face and bring back some very fond memories of a certain restaurant in Vancouver in March.  :roll

That would be either 5 or 2 1/2... :rolleye:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: es-335 on June 26, 2009, 02:42:20 AM
Well... my #77 has become a go to guitar.....

Since I sweat quite easily my gloss guitars don't get very much playing time due to stickiness.. lol

Satin rules in this cas...


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: vates on November 27, 2009, 02:09:24 PM
Haven't been on the forum for a long time.
My FIII settled _very_ nicely and the sound became very rich and mellow.
The more I use it, the better it becomes.
I wonder how great it will be when I'll pass it to my grandchildren  :nice guitar:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on December 03, 2009, 10:27:02 PM
I have been playing a lot recently, and playing both of my larrivees a similar amount. They were both overdue a string change, but I am broke and have 1 spare set of strings, so I knew if I restrung one I would break one on the other.  I relented tonight and restrung my forum III and ordered up a few new sets.

Wow, I knew the old strings were done, but this guitar just blew me away again. It just gets better and better and better.  It just rings like a bell, like a 12 string without all the strings.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: vates on December 04, 2009, 06:31:33 AM
Frankly, it's the first guitar I'm crazy about for so long (almost 7 months)  :nana_guitar I wonder how long will this romancing last  :bgrin:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 04, 2009, 06:58:08 AM
Frankly, it's the first guitar I'm crazy about for so long (almost 7 months)  :nana_guitar I wonder how long will this romancing last  :bgrin:

Don't worry about it..  just enjoy the ride  :bgrin:    I can't see myself tiring of my Forum III. It continues to amaze and inspire me.   It's like a trusty friend already.   I could get by with it as my only guitar although I'd miss my other Larrivees.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on December 04, 2009, 07:02:50 AM
Yep, agreed with the comments about the LS-03R.  Very impressive guitar.  Mine continues to amaze me.

12-frets sure sets the tone!   :laughin:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on December 04, 2009, 07:53:05 AM
agreed, I could be happy with it as an only guitar.  I am seriously considering selling my OM-03 now to buy something more different from the F-III.  Problem is that what I really want is the forum IV, and i haven't got the extra lolly, so I think I'll wait until one comes up used and do the swap then.  Problem is that my 3 year old knocked my OM-03 off the stand a month ago, and it has an indentation in the back of the neck.  No real problem for me, it is very slight and doesn't affect playability, but probably hammers its value as a used instrument because it is more than just a cosmetic flaw.

I might compromise and get a new Guild GAD M20.  I reckon I could pull of a straight swap there.

The F-III will NEVER leave me.  It is the ultimate keeper in my opinion.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 04, 2009, 08:27:32 AM
The F-III will NEVER leave me.  It is the ultimate keeper in my opinion.

Ben, I must confess that in one fleeting moment of temporary insanity, I had considered the thought of getting rid of all my guitars
and keeping only the cheapest one in my stable - the Art & Lutherie Ami parlor - cedar top.

I have since relented and repented of my wicked ways. I agree with you. If there is one I would keep, it would be #78, my LSV-03R FIII.

While I'm tempted to jump in on the FIV, I can't see how its smaller size can match the wonderful sound I hear from my FIII.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 04, 2009, 10:20:53 AM
Ben, I must confess that in one fleeting moment of temporary insanity, I had considered the thought of getting rid of all my guitars
and keeping only the cheapest one in my stable - the Art & Lutherie Ami parlor - cedar top.

I have since relented and repented of my wicked ways. I agree with you. If there is one I would keep, it would be #78, my LSV-03R FIII.

While I'm tempted to jump in on the FIV, I can't see how its smaller size can match the wonderful sound I hear from my FIII.

ricky

The reason for a 00 is to get a handy lap guitar that has better sound than the standard parlor. btw +1 on the FIII getting better and better with use.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mikeymac on December 04, 2009, 04:04:27 PM
I have been playing a lot recently, and playing both of my larrivees a similar amount.

Same here...and I've been enjoying the different personalities that each guitar has. The D-03R just booms like a good dread should, but then I play my 17 year old OM-05, and there is a maturity and depth to it's midrangey tones that runs from my ears to my soul. It just felt 'healing' last night when I played it after the D-03.
 
The reason for a 00 is to get a handy lap guitar that has better sound than the standard parlor. btw +1 on the FIII getting better and better with use.

I got out my daughter's parlor last night - which is now about 8-9 years old, but hasn't been played much (she didn't take it to college, and now she lives overseas. My younger daughter plays some, and I hate to see a Larrivee sitting in a closet unplayed! It's a righty, but I tuned it up (strings are fairly new - I changed them when my older daughter was home for a while this summer), and it made me look forward to the Forum IV. I've never been a big parlor fan, but this little thing (plain ol' spruce top/hog body) really does sound sweet. The Forum IV will be even sweeter!


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Frank_S on December 05, 2009, 08:45:48 PM
The reason for a 00 is to get a handy lap guitar that has better sound than the standard parlor. btw +1 on the FIII getting better and better with use.

Randy, Can you offer insight into what the tonal difference(s) may be between the Parlor and the upcoming Forum IV? I'm mainly curious about the body size difference in that the Forum IV specs. 00 body is smaller than the Parlor. I had thought the 00 body was slightly larger than the Parlor.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Danny on December 05, 2009, 09:13:11 PM
Randy, Can you offer insight into what the tonal difference(s) may be between the Parlor and the upcoming Forum IV? I'm mainly curious about the body size difference in that the Forum IV specs. 00 body is smaller than the Parlor. I had thought the 00 body was slightly larger than the Parlor.
  Frank I amended the post. It has to have been given to us incorrectly. Those sizes are for a parlor.
                This is the correct 00 size.
        
Lower Bout: 14.25”
Upper Bout: 10.25”
Waist: 8.25”
Depth: 4.25”
Scale Length: 25.5”
Nut Width: 1 & 3/4”


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mikeymac on December 05, 2009, 09:23:53 PM
  Frank I amended the post. It has to have been given to us incorrectly. Those sizes are for a parlor.
                This is the correct 00 size.
        
Lower Bout: 14.25”
Upper Bout: 10.25”
Waist: 8.25”
Depth: 4.25”
Scale Length: 25.5”
Nut Width: 1 & 3/4”

As you can see from Danny's post, it's about an inch bigger in the upper bout/waist/lower bout dimensions, and 1/4" deeper in the body.  Add this to the 1 1/2" longer scale length and you have a guitar that will be more articulate (becasue of scale length), and louder with more bass than a parlor.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Frank_S on December 05, 2009, 10:02:44 PM
  Frank I amended the post. It has to have been given to us incorrectly. Those sizes are for a parlor.
                This is the correct 00 size.
        
Lower Bout: 14.25”
Upper Bout: 10.25”
Waist: 8.25”
Depth: 4.25”
Scale Length: 25.5”
Nut Width: 1 & 3/4”

Thank you for clearing that up.   :smile:


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: playstrings on January 03, 2010, 08:52:22 PM
A question for you much more experienced and educated players. I have been considering a 12 fret for a while and actually should have gone to Denis' when he had one for sale. Money was a little tight and I did not want to tempt myself. Now I have the option of the FIII or the 00-60. What would be your preference and why? Thanks for your help!! Enjoy Rick


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on January 03, 2010, 09:03:44 PM
An F3 or a 00-60? That may be one of the hardest choices you'll ever face!

If nothing else, you are comparing a rosewood to a mahogany, so I hope you have a preference there. The F3 is a limited run, has a slightly larger body, with the Italian Spruce, so a little better bottom end. 00 is discontinued, has a beautiful gloss finish and slotted headstock, traditional herringbone trim all around, better case - much higher on the bling scale.

I think your only option is to get both - :winkin:

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: JOYCEfromNS on January 03, 2010, 09:15:28 PM
An F3 or a 00-60? That may be one of the hardest choices you'll ever face!

I think your only option is to get both - :winkin:

Tad

 :thumb    :roll


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: playstrings on January 03, 2010, 10:59:08 PM
I very seriously thought about that , but divorces are very expensive !!  :thumbsup


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on January 04, 2010, 12:36:51 AM
There are F-IIIs available with Rosewood and all Hog.
There aren't very many for sale though. Considering how many were built I think that says a lot.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: tadol on January 04, 2010, 03:04:38 AM
True - but I don't think we have a good count on how many 00-60s were made, and they seem to come up for sale even less often!

Tad


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on January 11, 2010, 04:38:44 PM
I haven't read through this whole thread so if this has been discussed sorry I missed it. 
When I got my F-III in April I took it up north with me and played it all summer, brought it home at the end of October and put it in the closet and have been playing my other guitars that I didn't get to play for 6 months.
I  just noticed this morning that the sound hole on the F-III is smaller (by an 1/8 inch) than my other Larrivees. Had anybody else noticed this? And why would they do this?
 :donut :donut2 :coffee for your thoughts.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on January 11, 2010, 04:47:36 PM
because it is loud enough!!!!!!!!

I also noticed, not sure why.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Stephen Basil on January 11, 2010, 06:46:32 PM
I figured that it was to keep the proportions in scale with L-body.  But it does indeed give off a big sound.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Denis on January 11, 2010, 07:12:14 PM
Yeah, I would think the soundhole is smaller because the guitar is smaller too?


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on January 11, 2010, 09:44:11 PM
Yeah, I would think the soundhole is smaller because the guitar is smaller too?

So what is the size of the soundhole on a parlor or 00? I don't remember my parlor having a smaller hole.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: vates on January 12, 2010, 08:09:35 AM
I have once had a very old no-name guitar of roughly the same size as my FIII. The soundhole on that was smaller the same way.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on January 13, 2010, 12:41:14 AM
My Guild D-40 I once owned had a smaller sound hole.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: prof_stack on January 14, 2010, 10:49:25 PM
Recently I put the original TUSQ saddle back on the LS-03R, but didn't change the strings.  The guitar sounded brighter to my ears compared to sound from the Jim H installed bone saddle.  I thought I was playing a Taylor.   :humour:

Then I changed the strings from EJ-16 to EXP-12 (mediums) and put the bone saddle back in.  The coated strings have a different sound than the uncoated EJ-16 (light) and I don't like it nuch.  After 2 weeks I put the TUSQ saddle back in and after a week of playing I can say clearly that the sound is more tinny and bright.  So today I put the bone saddle back in and it will stay.  The sound is more rounded and pleasing. 

For the next string change the F-III will get EJ-16 or EJ-17 strings.


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: playstrings on January 15, 2010, 01:23:07 PM
 :beer Tone is such a personal interpretation that can be effected by so many factors, time of day, stresses, beverages (LOL).
I bought mine from the Dragon Man and he had, Martin FX Flexible Core Light (12-54) 80/20 bronze, with the TUSQ. He had the bone but preferred the Tusq. I am really enjoying the mellow tone of the martins and the feel. They are coated but do not feel as slippery as the Elixirs or EXP. Some day I will flip in the bone just to compare. Right now I am just enjoying it the way it is........Thanks D-Man


Title: Re: Forum III impressions and discussion
Post by: BenF on July 04, 2010, 02:44:15 PM
My son on holiday. The only sunny place in the UK this weekend.  Very grateful for the forum III hat!! Cheers Jim

(http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo222/Banjo_10/9f2e7484.jpg)