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Title: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 01, 2008, 01:20:28 AM
Continuation of discussion of a new Forum Guitar.

http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=23989.0


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 01, 2008, 01:31:49 AM
   Thanks Randy.
                   Ricky has done a lot of leg work and we may have a chance to order a new Forum Guitar soon.
        I'll let Ricky do the consensus update if he would like or if you have not seen the first thread that got this going just review it.
             Basically this is an attempt to get a small bodied Larrivee that we can all be happy with, and afford.
    But there seems to be enough interest and common ground to continue. A LS and 00 are the two most considered, Rosewood and Mahogany come up the most for back and sides, low bling, cutaway may not fly,etc. So there you have it. We'll see where we go from here. 
           Some may remember this , but JCL showed me a stack of Italian spruce at Yarnell Place. That may be something a little special we might consider, if it's not all spoken for.            Danny


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 01, 2008, 02:57:27 AM
So far, People have been wanting LS or OO.

Seems like most of us want: 12fret joint, short scale.

Just to throw it out there... is anybody up  for having no bindings like the older satin parlors??(is it possible?)

Jeff


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: KenHolden on December 01, 2008, 04:01:02 AM
i got really excited about the last forum guitar discussion. (last winter?)     eitherway,  that discussion kind of just ended, without anything happening.   I hate to say that, as it will come across as negative until you read this sentence.  I hope for everyone that this guitar will come to life for us.   I'm getting excited again about this new forum guitar.

perhaps the dealer that puts the order in for the forum could also get a larger production done so they could sell in their stores to those that aren't part of the forum.  One local store to me mentioned getting a store guitar made for them, but it would be a smaller order, and the guy at the shop said that they've had a hard time getting the customers on board, and picking out their specs for the guitar.
 
ideally for me this guitar would be:

LS body
short scale
woods:   i like the Italian spruce that was mentioned. 
             something different, not rare and expensive. walnut? quilted mahogany? 
full gloss body, and neck.

no bling needed,  i wouldn't fight for abalone, inlays, logos and types of tuners.  i'll trust the good judgement of the forum

overall. simple and pretty..... small guitar with a big sound.

heres to the good luck, and production of this forum guitar   :cheers    :coffee for the morning people


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 01, 2008, 04:03:35 AM
Sunday evening. Thanks Randy. Thanks Danny. For starting this Forum Guitar discussion with the link to the orig thread.

Wow!!! I'm overwhelmed that this is actually gaining some momentum. Timing given Christmas and NAMM 09 - likely Spring production depending upon Dealer & Factory united response.

I'll go back and review today's (Sun Nov 30) posts and count just how many OO interest there is.

I did notice a strong concensus on LS (4" deep - like the old orig specs; thanks for the pictures & comparisons and old spec info - didn't take note who posted them).

Here's the summary as I recall ==>  LS

03 appointments - No cutaway (for those who must have a cutaway - I suppose that could be an option for an extra charge)
(distinctive feature from regular 03: short scale, 12-fret to body, optional MOP logo on headstock, numbered & signed label, if free - ???optional 12-fret decor???)

Top - spruce or hog
B&S - rw or hog

Now, I go back to orig thread, read, count and provide Statistical Summary on my next post.

Thanks for everyone's interest, thoughts, suggestions and contribution to bring us all this far.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 01, 2008, 04:10:44 AM
Here's a short one... please react or vote.

I happen to be a Gloss finish fan. I think guitars costing 1000+ should all come glossy - standard !!! 

(If satin finish really improves the sound quality of the git, I wonder how many will still prefer the satin finish over a gloss finish - if prices were the SAME?) 
Please remember, I've been influenced by long-time Larri owners in this Forum - to favor satin and no bling, so if I'm muddying the discussion - someone tell me to shut up.

So far... satin is the prevailing pleasure of interested buyers.

Gloss finish anyone?

ricky  :whistling: :doh 


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 01, 2008, 04:21:02 AM
BINDING someone suggest rw-binding

NO to rosewood binding. (hog fans may not mind this, but may complicate order / discussion)

YES to maple binding. (good on RW b&s)

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 01, 2008, 04:22:50 AM
Just to throw it out there... is anybody up  for having no bindings like the older satin parlors??(is it possible?)

Naw...ya gotta have wood binding on a custom guitar.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 01, 2008, 04:26:21 AM
I'd prefer a gloss finish over satin.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 01, 2008, 04:28:58 AM
I do not really care whether it is satin or glossy, whatever is cheaper is better for me(because imo, I believe that satin and glossy play the same quality...)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 01, 2008, 04:33:12 AM
Here's a short one... please react or vote.

I happen to be a Gloss finish fan. I think guitars costing 1000+ should all come glossy - standard !!! 

(If satin finish really improves the sound quality of the git, I wonder how many will still prefer the satin finish over a gloss finish - if prices were the SAME?) 
Please remember, I've been influenced by long-time Larri owners in this Forum - to favor satin and no bling, so if I'm muddying the discussion - someone tell me to shut up.

So far... satin is the prevailing pleasure of interested buyers.

Gloss finish anyone?

ricky  :whistling: :doh 
  Ricky I think this is the time to speak up. You did a good job of getting this going, so why not continue.
   Price is going to be a biggie so satin may be best but someone needs to tally the votes and put it all in a generalized format like you have been doing. Then if there is a dealer to be our middleman we are on the way.
   I will go with the flow and do my part to be a solid buyer ready to go when we nail it all down. Maybe we should ask how many are "solid" right now with a small body etc. etc. Then move on. just thoughts to help I hope.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 01, 2008, 04:39:48 AM
How can anybody be solid without knowing what model specs and pricepoint? To be realistic this is just another thread on an internet forum until you get a dealer and Larrivee on board. Last one took a year to put together.....don't get too excited too quickly.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 01, 2008, 04:55:31 AM
Count me in for being solid buyer.

To be honest, I believe we will end up with a smaller body... without cutaway....

So.. you can put my name on the "solid" list


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 01, 2008, 04:58:11 AM
BINDING someone suggest rw-binding

NO to rosewood binding. (hog fans may not mind this, but may complicate order / discussion)

YES to maple binding. (good on RW b&s)

ricky
     Maple looks great on Hog and maple is fine on RW. The LSV-11 used a RW binding that was very nice. BUT I don't care if it has any or not, even the neck. I want a "player".

How can anybody be solid without knowing what model specs and pricepoint? To be realistic this is just another thread on an internet forum until you get a dealer and Larrivee on board. Last one took a year to put together.....don't get too excited too quickly.
  Then you can sit by and watch us get a consensus and a nice git. If we say we're solid and we mean it then we will make it happen one way or another. If we say we failed before etc. we'll fail again. That's realistic in my way of doing things.
       Do you want this to fail? If you want it to succeed then don't be too quick to throw cold water on a group that had pulled together in a brisk manner with a lot more agreement on specs. than I expected would be possible.
       What doesn't excite me is add ons that will price it out of the range of some who would like one if it didn't get to blingy.  I want this and that, but I'll drop it and have already to AGREE with others, keep the price down and move on.
          You can either help, or let it be, but please don't tell us it can't be done. I know it can. Until the moment JCL or Matthew or someone at Larrivee says it can't.          deadpan danny


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 01, 2008, 05:04:14 AM
Heck, Long and Mcquade did their 50th anniv. guitar through Larrivee..

I believe there was 50 of them.. L05's pretty nice..

I hope Larrivee will take such a small quantity.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 01, 2008, 05:16:45 AM
LS with a spruce top and I'm in! I'll commit cash to that.

Summary must haves for myself:
- LS body
- Spruce top
- 1 3/4 nut
- $2000 or less please

Summary of preferences but not dealbreakers:
- Rosewood B&S or a suitably wide-ranged alternative (inexpensive) exotic wood
- No cutaway
- Satin Finish
- Wood Binding (any)
- 12 fret with short scale
- No excessive bling
- Customized logos and labels sound great (not picky as to what)
- Rosewood (or exotic wood) overlay on headstock

I hope this makes it easier to chart Ricky.



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 01, 2008, 05:17:36 AM
               Now that I let off steam a little.

          Here's something to consider or laugh at if you want.
          The resistance to a new wave coming in to the shore is always the old wave that preceded it.
  We can flow in the same direction on this or end up in a stagnant pond. and blah blah blah.
        
              I'm a business owner and have been for well over half my life and I know if you "want" to do it and "commit" to doing it you will succeed. Barring some calamity.
                        
                      So I say let's do it.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 01, 2008, 05:19:13 AM
LS with a spruce top and I'm in! I'll commit cash to that.

Summary must haves for myself:
- LS body
- Spruce top
- 1 3/4 nut
- $2000 or less please

Summary of preferences but not dealbreakers:
- Rosewood B&S or a suitably wide-ranged alternative (inexpensive) exotic wood
- No cutaway
- Satin Finish
- Wood Binding (any)
- 12 fret with short scale
- No excessive bling
- Customized logos and labels sound great (not picky as to what)
- Rosewood (or exotic wood) overlay on headstock

I hope this makes it easier to chart Ricky.


  That's all fine by me. :thumbsup


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on December 01, 2008, 05:25:07 AM
If it's an LS body in -03 trim would be tempting...I'd commit at the right price.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 01, 2008, 05:31:13 AM
We are coming to one spec:

LS body
Top:Spruce or Hog
Back: RW or Hog
12fret short scale




Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 01, 2008, 05:34:05 AM
We are coming to one spec:

LS body
Top:Spruce or Hog
Back: RW or Hog
12fret short scale



  Man at this rate we may have 25 on order soon and they may just put everyone else on hold to take care of us :winkin:    Good night everybody


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 01, 2008, 07:01:39 AM
- LS body (4" depth; no cutaway)
- short scale 12 frets to body ( 1st 2 features - this is the distinctive so far which sets it apart from current production models)
- 03 specs ==> satin
- Top - spruce or hog
- B&S - rw or hog
- 1 3/4 nut
- maple binding
- $2000 or less please... we should aim for min 1200-1500 max if possible given Larri price hikes

Summary of preferences but not dealbreakers:
- Rosewood B&S or a suitably wide-ranged alternative (inexpensive) exotic wood
- No cutaway
- Satin Finish
- Wood Binding
- No excessive bling
- Customized logos and labels sound great (not picky as to what)
- Rosewood (or exotic wood) overlay on headstock

Thanks for the summary specs Adam (limnephildae)

Here's the list:

1. $ Danny deadpan
2. $ Adam limnephildae
3. $ ricky
4. $ Jeff es-335
5. L-fan (if inspired enough will sell current git to buy in)
6. LawDogStrgsAttach (if priced right)
7. Tad
8. Dale
9. Holly Strawingold (wants satin(if glossy - holly strawingold is out), no C-pointy cutaway or she's out)

$ - indicated solid commitment with funds ready

Other Posts - assuming they are in favor of LS
1. Al ARK,
2. bluesman67
3. KenHolden (LS) --- all made comments assuming they are in favor of LS
4. iDavid - hogtop
5. Blue in VT

OO only
1. Tuffy - lefty
2. Dotneck
3. jrdavis (deeper body)

According to Randy, magic number is 10.    Looks like we just about nailed the Model and Specs.

For us to be taken seriously by Jason, Jim or 12Fret and the Factory, there must be 10 Money Down Buyers.

Should we wait until we have AT LEAST 10 solid commitments before we contact potential Dealer to represent us to Larrivee?

Please advise.

Dealer asks Larrivee with Forum Guitar Order.  Then we'll know the PRICE ?   Hopefully, no more than 1200-1500 spread.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dale_I on December 01, 2008, 08:25:25 AM
Ricky -- No cut away and no gloss (not being a party pooper), but I'll probably back out. I just got GASed with a 1980 Gibson Les Paul Custom (natural finish) over the weekend. For an almost 30 year old guitar, you would think it was new. Definitely spent some time in the back of the closet and then under the bed. There goes the guitar fund... but she's a beaut.

I could probably be talked back into it, but I don't think we should pander to my desires. I say continue with what works for most of the members and keep the momentum up. If we end up with Spruce/RW cutaway gloss, I'll chime back in.

BTW -- I applaud the attitude in which this is happening. This really stands a chance compared to the previous try. I'll be selling my Epiphone and Seagull, so maybe the fund will recover in time.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 01, 2008, 01:08:57 PM
I'm not willing to go more than $1500, sorry. Even now stock 03's are a little under a thousand and will/may be slightly above wit the price increase. No offense but for $2000 I expect a LOT. The Silver Oak L for example goes for about $1200 and it's a 'exotic' wood. We are discussing a stock 03 model, right?

I'm not sure I could justify even going that high for a stock 03, I have to think about it. While I understand it's a special order, i don't think it's so differant that a much higher cost is justified (if we keep it stock) . Let's not lose sight of the fact that it's a nice order for Larrivee as well. I think it's important, as much as we love the guiotars, to still think like a consumer.

I'm not sure I can justify another guitar in the next couple months or so when it's either presents for the family or guitar for me. Regretfully, if it's a matter of pony up now, then I'll have to decline.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 01, 2008, 01:27:19 PM
Don't worry Holly...if we get a dealer and Larrivee commitment it should only take about $100 downpayment with the balance due on delivery which would most likely be six months or so.....


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 01, 2008, 01:53:51 PM
If it's around $1200, I'm in.  As previously said, we are talking about an 03 here and we can all go buy an 03 for less than that.  Granted, this will be a pretty cool 03, but it's still an 03.  Rosette in herringbone would make it look real nice, you don't see too many guitars these days with herringbone, abalone is everywhere.  It would look nice against the satin finish.  If it's significantly more than that, maybe I will order one but I'm not sure.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: L-fan on December 01, 2008, 02:15:08 PM
Well, I just got a line on a OO-50, and if that comes through for me in the next few weeks, I will be buying one of those.   :nanadance   It is unexpected, but I am psyched about it!

So at this time I can't jump in and commit $$ for the forum guitar, as I will be working financial miracles just to get the OO.  That being said, I am getting very warm feelings for an LS body guitar since this idea started just a few days ago.  So count me as someone who is very interested, and may be able to swing it if we are talking about a Spring '09 timeframe.  I do however need to get creative about where the $$ is going to come from.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 01, 2008, 02:55:15 PM
Like it has stated before, I think we, here all are trying to keep the cost down, going with satin, and no bling, no cutaway etc..


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Blue in VT on December 01, 2008, 02:58:26 PM
I'm trying to stay positive about this but the way the last one fell apart I'm not holding my breath....but my fingers are crossed!... :thumbsup

I would prefer OO over LS but both are good.  Spruce top for me...I've got the Hog covered...Short Scale would be aHUGE plus in my book....no cut away....minimal bling....I like herringbone....some binding but I'm not particular....slothead?...cool but not nec.  I care not wether its satin or gloss....for me cheaper is better.

Keep that ball rolling....I think we should go ahead and at least talk with a dealer to see how realistic this is.

Cheers,

Blue


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 01, 2008, 03:45:19 PM
The specs below are directly from Larrivee and are slightly different ( e.g., depth dimension) than what I had previously found from a non-Larrivee site and posted in the original thread . I have not been able to find an OO spec directly from an older Larrivee site yet -- if someone has that info it would be good to see it to make sure we have accurate info on the relative sizes. As I look at the below, I see very little difference between the OM and LS. They have the same scale, and the  body dimensions differ by just a 1/4" (max) in a few places. I have an OM-05, so what would make a big difference for me , and I suspect for other OM owners if the choice is to go with an LS body,  is a shorter scale, 12 frets to the body, and maybe the slotted headstock  "look".

OM - Orchestra Model
Lower Bout • 15.25”
Upper Bout • 11.75”
Waist • 9.5”
Depth • 4.25”
Overall Length • 40.5”
Scale Length • 25.5”


LS - Larrivee Small Body
Lower Bout • 15”
Upper Bout • 11.875“
Waist • 9.75”
Depth • 4.25”
Overall Length • 40.5”
Scale Length • 25.5”

Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 01, 2008, 04:23:33 PM
Not sure if this is correct but found this on a search for specs:

OO

14.25” lower bout
10.25” upper bout
8.25” waist
4.25” body depth
38.5”overall length
standard 25.5” scale
1 ¾” nut, 12th fret body join


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tadol on December 01, 2008, 04:29:44 PM
I'm happy to see that we have enough of a crowd on board to get this started, but as has been said, we really need to get some feedback from someone who has ordered custom from Larrivee. We have a few dealers that log-in here from time to time - lets wait until we can hear from one of them.

I would hope that if we are willing to put up a substantial down payment, and the dealer is willing to keep their margin very low, and if we keep the specs semi-standard ( features and appointments that are already in production on another model ) I really hope we can put this together and keep the price much closer to 1000 than 1500.  That seems right for an -03 level of appointment, and at that price point, we should have even more interest, while if we end up over 1500 or (gulp) closer to 2000, I think I would have to think much harder about this, and possibly couldn't afford it.

As a reference, GA has a posted price of about 1250 for a P-05, 1300 for OM-03R, and 1550 for PV-09. Trinity has a couple -03s in Bubbinga with a list of 1800, and Notable has -03 Lacewood listing at 1600. Those are just references, not recommendations - If we are ordering and pre-paying for 10 or more instruments, I would hope for a good discount.

If we can have options, I still would like to know if I could get -

Upgraded tuners with ebony/ivoroid knobs -
Bone nut/saddle/pins ( possible Collosi collaboration?) -
Arch top case
And ( if not too expensive ) a cutaway - for those few songs I know that run up there -

Some of those upgrades may be dealer options, installed and set-up post-factory.

Anyway - Looking forward to the next step -  And a big thanks to those putting some effort into this -

Tad


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 01, 2008, 06:09:35 PM
The specs below are directly from Larrivee and are slightly different ( e.g., depth dimension) than what I had previously found from a non-Larrivee site and posted in the original thread . I have not been able to find an OO spec directly from an older Larrivee site yet -- if someone has that info it would be good to see it to make sure we have accurate info on the relative sizes. As I look at the below, I see very little difference between the OM and LS. They have the same scale, and the  body dimensions differ by just a 1/4" (max) in a few places. I have an OM-05, so what would make a big difference for me , and I suspect for other OM owners if the choice is to go with an LS body,  is a shorter scale, 12 frets to the body, and maybe the slotted headstock  "look".

OM - Orchestra Model
Lower Bout • 15.25”
Upper Bout • 11.75”
Waist • 9.5”
Depth • 4.25”
Overall Length • 40.5”
Scale Length • 25.5”


LS - Larrivee Small Body
Lower Bout • 15”
Upper Bout • 11.875“
Waist • 9.75”
Depth • 4.25”
Overall Length • 40.5”
Scale Length • 25.5”

Al

Check the link Randy has at the top and then find Tadol's pics of his OM with a LS. That LS is the size we want, not the size specs you have here. Someone posted an older catalog specs that showed the LS being the size of what Tad was showing in those pics. It is only slightly larger than the 00.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Blue in VT on December 01, 2008, 06:44:21 PM
Man an 00-03 12 fret short scale....sitka or ital over hog sounds like a dream to me!!!!

I'm drooling just thinking about it... :drool:

What is it about the LS that everyone is so infatuated with?  just curious I don't have either a OO or an LS so.... :beer

Blue


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 01, 2008, 07:13:21 PM
I'm happy to see that we have enough of a crowd on board to get this started, but as has been said, we really need to get some feedback from someone who has ordered custom from Larrivee. We have a few dealers that log-in here from time to time - lets wait until we can hear from one of them.

I would hope that if we are willing to put up a substantial down payment, and the dealer is willing to keep their margin very low, and if we keep the specs semi-standard ( features and appointments that are already in production on another model ) I really hope we can put this together and keep the price much closer to 1000 than 1500.  That seems right for an -03 level of appointment, and at that price point, we should have even more interest, while if we end up over 1500 or (gulp) closer to 2000, I think I would have to think much harder about this, and possibly couldn't afford it.

Tad


BREAKING NEWS... one interested dealer already PM-ed me this morning
. Since, this is new territory for me, I'm waiting for advice from Randy and other Gold-status Forumites how to proceed.

PRICE POINT... It's becoming clearer that the majority of interested parties would like to hover around the 1000 price point for an O3 guitar.

DEPOSIT AMOUNT... depends on dealer proposal or what Factory requires?

TIMING... Looks like Spring 2009 (lots of time to recover from Christmas spending... lots of time to sell other guitars to finance Forum Guitar)

OPTIONS... we'll take every Freebee we're allowed to get (bone nut & saddle, gloss, cutaway, other variety exotic wood - walnut, maple, silver oak) - these have to wait until we have Dealer, Factory, soildly committed buyers.

QUESTION: Do you think we can special order 2 models LS and OO if there are enough (min 10 for each model)... so that OO & LS buyers in a WIN-WIN outcome?

Need advice how to proceed with communicating with potential dealer...:? ricky  :?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Blue in VT on December 01, 2008, 07:18:36 PM
Take a deep breath....relax....we have time....it is exciting to see this come together at all...but it has only been a few days.

I would recommend talking with Jim at Trinity...he was on board with the last time we tried this...plus he is a great guy and hangs out here for fun...not to try to sell stuff.  Start with him and see where it goes.  I can't imagine other dealers getting into some kind of bidding war for the option to do this deal....it would be best to find someone who is genuinely intersted and involved around here and go with them...if they are willing....give Jim a call...he's the man!

I think nailing down enough people for one body size will be hard enough....2 different ones is asking alot.  I know a lot of people seem intersted right now but things have a tendency to change when it comes time to put money down on the barrel head.

thats my .02cents

Blue


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 01, 2008, 07:32:38 PM
BREAKING NEWS... one interested dealer already PM-ed me this morning. Since, this is new territory for me, I'm waiting for advice from Randy and other Gold-status Forumites how to proceed.

PRICE POINT... It's becoming clearer that the majority of interested parties would like to hover around the 1000 price point for an O3 guitar.

DEPOSIT AMOUNT... depends on dealer proposal or what Factory requires?

TIMING... Looks like Spring 2009 (lots of time to recover from Christmas spending... lots of time to sell other guitars to finance Forum Guitar)

OPTIONS... we'll take every Freebee we're allowed to get (bone nut & saddle, gloss, cutaway, other variety exotic wood - walnut, maple, silver oak) - these have to wait until we have Dealer, Factory, soildly committed buyers.

QUESTION: Do you think we can special order 2 models LS and OO if there are enough (min 10 for each model)... so that OO & LS buyers in a WIN-WIN outcome?



Thanks for all your work!

Price point - good to see it'll hover around the $1000 range!!

Deposit amount - I have no clue..

Timing - Spring 2009 sounds perfect!

Options - Freebee is awesome..!!

Answer to your question..  That is gonna be a tough one to choose for me.. but shouldn't we all agree on one body shape?? perhaps putting a special order for 2 models will increase the price of the guitars??

I would think that Mass quantity = less work = less money spend by us??

I'm not to sure about this, feel free to correct me!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dale_I on December 01, 2008, 07:45:02 PM
What worked the first time, and didn't happen the second time, is someone spearheading the event. Getting opinions and feeling out wants and desires is a good thing. But, at some point (as already stated), too many cooks in the kitchen. Seems like enough consensus may have been reached for someone to appoint the final attributes. I might suggest someone saying, "Here it is". As they say, "Build it, and they will come".

You're not going to please everyone... but out of almost 6500 members, ten should be able to step up. Look at the 12th fret special editions. They went so fast you almost couldn't blink.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 01, 2008, 08:03:18 PM
Check the link Randy has at the top and then find Tadol's pics of his OM with a LS. That LS is the size we want, not the size specs you have here. Someone posted an older catalog specs that showed the LS being the size of what Tad was showing in those pics. It is only slightly larger than the 00.
I think you are referring to my earlier "spec" post which I found on a store website -- I'm just not sure how accurate it is. I'm certainly in favor of the smaller "00-like" LS size you are talking about, but should this all work out, I expect we would have to live with whatever LS or OO size Larrivee is tooled up for. It could also turn out that Larrivee would only being willing to do this for a particular size that is convenient for them at this point in time.

Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 01, 2008, 08:18:23 PM
Man an 00-03 12 fret short scale....sitka or ital over hog sounds like a dream to me!!!!

I'm drooling just thinking about it... :drool:

What is it about the LS that everyone is so infatuated with?  just curious I don't have either a OO or an LS so.... :beer

Blue

Why is everyone so in love with the 00???? I'm sure the answer to your question is the same as the answer to mine. Truth be told, I'd be happy with either but I am pushing for an LS because of 2 reasons:

1. It is distinctly Larrivee and with this imperative I hope we inspire the Larrivee Family to something special for us that speaks to their unique contribution to guitar building
2. I sort of assumed that the 12th Fret would eventually take up our quest and David Wren has expressed a "soft spot" for the LS body because he's built them under Larrivee's tutelage and he has based some of his own work of the body size.

Inspiration has a way of making good things great. I would rather have a project that excites the dealer and builder rather than simply satisfying my all-time personal preference. It's about ordering off the menu and giving the cook license to create something he thinks is special rather than just another tenderloin.

I'm not sure we're going to get very far with two models but I hope we do for everyone's sake. If the LS fails completely then I'll probably commit to the 00, I just have a strong preference based on my reasons above.

I have a question: If we are concerned about costs due to changes in the molds and existing models, what about the scale length?? While the neck is probably not a big deal to do 12 frets on, wouldn't this place the bridge somewhere different on the LS body? Doesn't that involve changes to the bracing pattern? Would this significantly raise the price? Please excuse my ignorance in this.

Thanks,

Adam


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 01, 2008, 08:33:51 PM
I think you are referring to my earlier "spec" post which I found on a store website -- I'm just not sure how accurate it is. I'm certainly in favor of the smaller "00-like" LS size you are talking about, but should this all work out, I expect we would have to live with whatever LS or OO size Larrivee is tooled up for. It could also turn out that Larrivee would only being willing to do this for a particular size that is convenient for them at this point in time.

Al
 If we can't get the small bodied LS then the 00 would be the best size. The larger specs given can be exceeded and wind up being an OM very easily.
               This is where we need a dealer to find out if the small body can be built and what molds they would use, shortscale, etc.  
                I see no reason for this to not go through. Too many forumites would like to have a 12 fret small body Larri.
   And has been stated a Mahogany with Italian spruce or RW with the same would be one very special Guitar. In an 03 series it will hold cost down and the rest can be decided on a bit later and possible extras may be offered. Upgrades like an arch top case or slothead may be also arranged. For sure the tuners would need to be nice ones.
   The rosette is no biggie to me or the other features that may drive the cost too high.
                    It would be nice if each of us could have all the custom items we wanted, but we all need to give a little to keep this a practical reality.  
         I agree that the LS is a Larrivee distinct build and I'm glad Adam brings this out. I have a 00 and like it a lot, but the L is my favorite and of course the small LSV but no V here and that's OK but LS would truly be a traditional Larrivee Guitar. I think it will be a great little player.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 01, 2008, 08:34:48 PM
Why do I live in the UK.  I would so be up for this if I could get a guitar from US to the K without about £375 shipping and customs.  Sigh!!  Anyone going on holiday to Scotland anythime next summer???????

FWIW - good on you Ricky for working so hard on this, a lot ofpeople seem pretty fired up about it.

Ben


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Blue in VT on December 01, 2008, 08:39:16 PM
I am pushing for an LS because of 2 reasons:

1. It is distinctly Larrivee and with this imperative I hope we inspire the Larrivee Family to something special for us that speaks to their unique contribution to guitar building


Point taken... :wink:...for a short scale OO with spruce and hog I would pobably just buy a 00-18v and be done with it...I can proably get on board with and LS...I've just never held one so I'm a little bit leary....I fear the unknown!!!!

Blue


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 01, 2008, 08:42:37 PM
Why do I live in the UK.  I would so be up for this if I could get a guitar from US to the K without about £375 shipping and customs.  Sigh!!  Anyone going on holiday to Scotland anythime next summer???????

FWIW - good on you Ricky for working so hard on this, a lot ofpeople seem pretty fired up about it.

Ben
  Ben my Brother and I have began talking of a trip to Scotland. I don't know when we will pull it off though. If by some way I can help I will.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 01, 2008, 08:45:31 PM
My attempt for a WIN-WIN for all brought my question about 2 models?

Point taken. Can't please everyone.

1 Model.

LS... it is.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 01, 2008, 08:49:03 PM

I have a question: If we are concerned about costs due to changes in the molds and existing models, what about the scale length?? While the neck is probably not a big deal to do 12 frets on, wouldn't this place the bridge somewhere different on the LS body? Doesn't that involve changes to the bracing pattern? Would this significantly raise the price? Please excuse my ignorance in this.

Thanks,

Adam


Adam raised a question that I've been wondering about.   Maybe a dealer or other Forumites can answer this question.   Will 12-fret design & short scale radically change the character and sound of this LS? Is this a re-tooling issue ---- we want Larrivee to use existing molds right?

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 01, 2008, 08:53:33 PM
  Ben my Brother and I have began talking of a trip to Scotland. I don't know when we will pull it off though. If by some way I can help I will.

Cheers Dan, but I think it is partly wishful thinking on my part.  I'd need to sell my OM-03 to sign up, and that sounds OK, until it came to it, and then I know I would find it hard to part with.  That is the guitar that made me realise that I could play more than strumming three chords!!!

Hope you get to come to Scotland though, I am biased, but is a good place!

Ben


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 01, 2008, 09:00:43 PM
On selecting a dealer...

Dealers are in the business because they are passionate about guitars. They also have to make a profit. As buyers in-a-group, we want the best deal, correct?



Forumites attest to the good character and customer service of Trinity, Notable, GuitarAdoptions & 12th Fret.

QUESTION:

1. Do we go with the first one who shows genuine interest?
2. Should this go into a bidding process? 

(No offense to dealers who may be doing us a favor and stand to profit very minimally. A computer consultant in my past life - this is how we won PROJECTS... by bidding... best proposal, incentives AND service wins.)


I'm taking a deep breath... it's only been a few days indeed !!!   Thankful how quickly this is shaping up.   

1 Model.  1 Dealer interested.  5 Committed Forumites.


 :smile: ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 01, 2008, 09:07:08 PM

FWIW - good on you Ricky for working so hard on this, a lot ofpeople seem pretty fired up about it.

Ben

Ben, thanks for the encouragement. Sometimes I wonder why I live in Canada. I wish we all had the same currency here and no more borders.  :smile: ricky

All guitars should be duty-free globally.  :+1:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 01, 2008, 09:08:09 PM
Ricky check your PM's.  On the LS shortscale that is up to JCL. I'm sure he can do it if he wants to. The LSV-11 is a short scale but not a 12 fret. We just need to find out.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 01, 2008, 09:14:43 PM
On selecting a dealer...

Dealers are in the business because they are passionate about guitars. They also have to make a profit. As buyers in-a-group, we want the best deal, correct?



Forumites attest to the good character and customer service of Trinity, Notable, GuitarAdoptions & 12th Fret.

QUESTION:

1. Do we go with the first one who shows genuine interest?
2. Should this go into a bidding process? 

(No offense to dealers who may be doing us a favor and stand to profit very minimally. A computer consultant in my past life - this is how we won PROJECTS... by bidding... best proposal, incentives AND service wins.)


I'm taking a deep breath... it's only been a few days indeed !!!   Thankful how quickly this is shaping up.   

1 Model.  1 Dealer interested.  5 Committed Forumites.


 :smile: ricky
    NO BIDDING....go with a forum member /dealer like JIM at Trinity :thumbsup


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 01, 2008, 09:24:49 PM
Why is everyone so in love with the 00???? I'm sure the answer to your question is the same as the answer to mine. Truth be told, I'd be happy with either but I am pushing for an LS because of 2 reasons:

1. It is distinctly Larrivee and with this imperative I hope we inspire the Larrivee Family to something special for us that speaks to their unique contribution to guitar building


That is why I also think we should stick to the LS body shape..

Because you could get 00 bodies from other companies... but the L and LS represents Larrivee! and if I had to get only one larrivee it'd be a L model.. (perhaps LS).. because it is uniquely Larrivee's..!!






Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 01, 2008, 09:26:56 PM

1 Model.  1 Dealer interested.  5 Committed Forumites.


If a dealer already showed you his/her interest, why not go with him/her??

It almost seems like he/she has shown such great passion for this project!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 01, 2008, 09:36:10 PM
If a dealer already showed you his/her interest, why not go with him/her??

It almost seems like he/she has shown such great passion for this project!

Jeff... noted.  We're going with a dealer. Just waitiing for response.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 01, 2008, 10:15:58 PM
Jeff... noted.  We're going with a dealer. Just waitiing for response.

ricky
   Ricky this is amazing, I can't help but be excited, thanks for your efforts.      Danny


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: PortHueneme on December 01, 2008, 10:19:16 PM
Just my two cents worth but,
Many of us have had great experience with one or more of our forum member dealers.
I don't know whether it would be possible, but maybe a coop of the dealers might work.
I have dealt with Jason and Dave and been happy. Don't have first hand experience with Jim, but everybody seems to say good things.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: kwakatak on December 01, 2008, 10:28:50 PM
My first impression of this was "here we go again" but I'm glad to see that it's moving forward. Sadly, I'm not able to jump on board (saving up for a Martin HD-35) but I admit that the idea of a 12-fret LS does seem pretty enticing. I can't believe that more people aren't going along with it though. Good luck, yinz!  :thumb


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 01, 2008, 10:29:47 PM
I understand what a 12 fret neck join is (not my fav but I'll live) but will someone please explain to me what a short scale is?

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 01, 2008, 10:43:12 PM
I understand what a 12 fret neck join is (not my fav but I'll live) but will someone please explain to me what a short scale is?

holly
I'll try to explain.. If I don't do a good job at it.. Im sure some one else will..!

and please correct me if I am wrong.

Guitar scale length is the measurement between the nut and the bridge's saddle.
 
Normal scale guitar is fitted with a 25 1/2" , and the other(short scale) with a 24 3/4" scale neck.

I believe most larrivee guitars, Martin OM/D guitars and most acoustic guitars use normal scale, but a lot of parlor guitars and Gibson J45/L00 Martin OOO and some other guitars are fitted with a short scale neck.

and the shorter scale guitar will have less tension.. much easier for bending and vibrato or you could use a bit of heavier gauge strings, with the short scale neck..

IMO, short scale guitars are much better for fingerstyle.



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 01, 2008, 10:49:05 PM
I understand what a 12 fret neck join is (not my fav but I'll live) but will someone please explain to me what a short scale is?

holly
   The P series are 24'' short scale, 12 fret at the body 19 total. Shorter neck but still space between the 1st 12 frets. My 00-09FM is a 12 fret, but normal scale. That is achieved by moving the Bridge back towards the end pin.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 01, 2008, 10:49:10 PM
Holly,

Short scales are shorter than long scales, somewhere around 24" vs 25 1/4".  The strings require less tension to tune to pitch so they feel "easier" to play.  12-frets have the bridge repositioned further from the soundhole, giving more string length and letting you pick closer to the center of the string where some feel the tone is better. Also, the bridge location gives the guitar more volume.  Oh and if you ever play slide, being able to slide up to the 12th fret and have it stop automatically when you get there is very nice.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 01, 2008, 11:27:42 PM
IMO, short scale guitars are much better for fingerstyle.

Unless you use lowered tunings....


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 01, 2008, 11:45:16 PM
Thanks to everyone who've been participating. Others are still welcome to chime in.

Dealer will contact Larrivee.

Will call me back with info.

Let's hope for the best. Say your prayers.

 :winkin: ricky

BTW... my OO in transit just left Grand Forks, ND after a 6-day vacation there.  :laughin:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 01, 2008, 11:54:00 PM
Dealer called and left message to Larrivee.

Dealer emailed Larrivee.

Waiting for response from Larrivee.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 02, 2008, 12:19:51 AM
Ricky,

I appreciate all your work...!

I am so SYKED!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 02, 2008, 01:02:06 AM
Ricky,

I appreciate all your work...!

I am so SYKED!!

Jeff,

Thanks for the encouragement. Glad you along with Danny and Adam can commit to this... hopefully others will join
and Lord willing, this will become a reality.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 02, 2008, 01:23:20 AM
If it's an LS body in -03 trim would be tempting...I'd commit at the right price.
                        Ricky, LawDogStrgsAttach looks like he is very interested and I think others are, but will wait to get on board when the price and final model gets known. Having a dealer involved now makes this "totally possible" :guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 02, 2008, 01:34:51 AM
As of last night... we have the following...

Here's the list:

1. $ Danny deadpan
2. $ Adam limnephildae
3. $ ricky
4. $ Jeff es-335
5. L-fan (if inspired enough will sell current git to buy in)
6. LawDogStrgsAttach (if priced right)
7. Tad
8. Dale
9. Holly Strawingold (wants satin(if glossy - holly strawingold is out), no C-pointy cutaway or she's out)

$ - indicated solid commitment with funds ready

Other Posts - assuming they are in favor of LS
1. Al ARK,
2. bluesman67
3. KenHolden (LS) --- all made comments assuming they are in favor of LS
4. iDavid - hogtop
5. Blue in VT

OO only
1. Tuffy - lefty
2. Dotneck
3. jrdavis (deeper body)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 02, 2008, 01:45:59 AM
   Ricky this will clarify  a little more.
             An LS-03 is a satin model with 03 trim.
   That is what LawDogStrgsAttach is interested in as well as others. The satin/03 style will keep the price level down.
The add ons will bring it up some.      Danny


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 02, 2008, 01:54:29 AM
Short scales are shorter than long scales, somewhere around 24" vs 25 1/4".  The strings require less tension to tune to pitch so they feel "easier" to play.  12-frets have the bridge repositioned further from the soundhole, giving more string length and letting you pick closer to the center of the string where some feel the tone is better. Also, the bridge location gives the guitar more volume.  Oh and if you ever play slide, being able to slide up to the 12th fret and have it stop automatically when you get there is very nice.

Also, I believe the frets on a shorter scale guitar are closer together, supposedly making it a bit easier to reach some of those difficult chords (someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this). I don't know how much of a practical difference this really makes, however.

Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 02, 2008, 02:01:05 AM
   Ricky this will clarify  a little more.
             An LS-03 is a satin model with 03 trim.
   That is what LawDogStrgsAttach is interested in as well as others. The satin/03 style will keep the price level down.
The add ons will bring it up some.      Danny

I am all up for the Satin/03 trim, since it'll keep the cost down and draw more people into it.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 02, 2008, 02:09:24 AM
Does there seem to be a strong preference for headstock style (solid vs slotted)?  A slotted headstock would be somewhat unique on the small "Forum" guitar as proposed to this point.
Thx,
Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 02, 2008, 02:16:19 AM
I am all up for the Satin/03 trim, since it'll keep the cost down and draw more people into it.
     Well to clarify my clarification. I'm not saying we should not go for something special, just making the point that satin is a 03 series with less bling than a 05 and up, which is gloss and has abalone, MOP, headstock silver, etc.
      If we forgo those items and keep it a basic satin 03 series/smallbody with our "extras" as they get finalized, we will have a nice forum guitar that is unique. Especially if it is a 12 fret LS shortscale
      A slotted headstock would be nice as an upgrade option for sure, I would go for that.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 02, 2008, 02:18:02 AM
slotted headstock would be nice and look good,

what'd be the price difference btw  solid and slotted??

does anybody know?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 02, 2008, 02:27:33 AM
   I'm not exactly sure but if they give us a break maybe 200 give or take a little.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 02, 2008, 02:42:16 AM
LS-03 indeed.

03 appointments will keep the cost down.

Hopefully, Larrivee will agree to build us this Forum Git, get a good price from the Dealer.

Then, if Factory & Dealer are all in a good mood... hopefully - the "extras" and nice-to-have features will be thrown in AT NO EXTRA CHARGE (wishful thinking here  :winkin:)

Danny, Thanks for clarifying. I do hope LawDogStrgsAttach (I hope I did not clobber his id like "deadpan")... I hope he gets on board.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 02, 2008, 02:56:33 AM
So. keeping with 'standard' Larrivee components, what you are converging on is a steel string LS-03 with a 12Fret, short scale, Parlor neck, 1.75  inch nut??? keeping it plain jane to keep the cost as near $1,000US as possible.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 02, 2008, 03:02:19 AM
So. keeping with 'standard' Larrivee components, what you are converging on is a steel string LS-03 with a 12Fret, short scale, Parlor neck, 1.75  inch nut??? keeping it plain jane to keep the cost as near $1,000US as possible.
                  Close, what do you think about it?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on December 02, 2008, 03:11:39 AM
So. keeping with 'standard' Larrivee components, what you are converging on is a steel string LS-03 with a 12Fret, short scale, Parlor neck, 1.75  inch nut??? keeping it plain jane to keep the cost as near $1,000US as possible.

That is what sounds good to me, though would like to see -03 with abalone ring (like the 12th fret limiteds).  I do think 12 fret shortscale is overkill, but would not make me out of the game.  I think 12 fret standard scale is better (that is the original Martin set up - not to be a purist, but idea of a 12 fret is extra power by bridge placement...so short scale kills some of that intent).


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 02, 2008, 03:14:38 AM
That is what sounds good to me, though would like to see -03 with abalone ring (like the 12th fret limiteds).  I do think 12 fret shortscale is overkill, but would not make me out of the game.  I think 12 fret standard scale is better (that is the original Martin set up - not to be a purist, but idea of a 12 fret is extra power by bridge placement...so short scale kills some of that intent).
                      So a 12 fret neck like my 00-09.  I was thinking of the 00-50 neck and not the parlor for the short scale. Or are they the same length as parlors?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 02, 2008, 03:38:49 AM
I'd let JCL pick the scale length based on the other components. He'll know what will work best. Gotta be careful or you'll have a camel built by committee.....

Last time JCL threw in the abalone rosette and the MOP inlaid headstock logo as a bonus...so be patient and see how he responds. In fact, he didn't even tell the group he was adding the rosette it was a surprise addition. I like the abalone rosette much more than herringbone.

Which vendor is on-board? May as well give him some exposure for his effort....


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 02, 2008, 03:54:34 AM
The OO is a standard scale 12 Fret, the Parlor is a short scale. Both have 1.75inch nuts.

I don't know if the bracing internally or bridge placement would be different if a parlor neck was used vs a standard neck. If they were the same, perhaps neck style could be the buyers option. If different, then I doubt Larrivee would want to offer both in the same run. But it doesn't hurt to ask.

Btw, I have a 1975 vintage LS with a 12 fret neck, standard scale. So they have been made before, but not many of them.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 02, 2008, 04:15:44 AM
If going with the short scale is a bit pushing it.. I am okay with the standard scale too...

Is the exact scale length of larrivee parlors 24"?

If we were to go with the short scale I guess it wouldnt be possible to go with 24-3/4"...

Ever since I started playing my J45 and my fella's Blues King.. I was sold on the 24-3/4" scale..

 
But I do agree that we should let JCL decide what's best for the guitar...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 02, 2008, 04:21:43 AM
Has a hog top been considered yet?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 02, 2008, 04:23:09 AM
I'd let JCL pick the scale length based on the other components. He'll know what will work best. Gotta be careful or you'll have a camel built by committee.....

totally agree. I like the 12 fretter more than the short scale in this case. The volume will be higher and I don't intend to put mediums on it. Anyway, let's see what the experts say.

Cheers,

Adam


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 02, 2008, 04:24:43 AM
Has a hog top been considered yet?

It has come up before, but we haven't discussed in details.. because we don't even know what our options are..


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 02, 2008, 04:30:43 AM
   Thanks Dotneck and Randy and Lawdog...   I think we will end up with a nice little git. I was expecting JCL to have a big say in what small body size they could do for us.
     I thought the 00-50 was a short scale 12 fret and my 00-09 was long scale 12 fret. Thanks for clarifying.

          If it's OK with you Randy I will put a link to the 1975 LS 12 fret you have. That is a Larrivee collectors item.
  A new LS would look a lot different but it is cool to see this one.
                      Here is the link  http://randyrick.us/guitars/Larrivee1975LS09.htm
  I like the full "Jean Claude Larrivee"  signature on the label and the headstock look just says "Hand made". I could go for a rosewood peghead with no logo. But I know others may want MOP.
                     Abalone rossette always appeals to me, but I don't mind H-bone or whatever the dealer and Larrivee want to do. I am still amazed we are at this point.
                      Hog top was brought up by a few and I would be interested. But then I thought about that Italian spruce Jean scored recently and thought. YES rosewood and Itali, or Hog and Itali. I asked him if it was more like Adi than sitka and his answer was yes. But whatever guitars he makes with the Italian will be rare.
                                    Fun stuff.               Danny


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 02, 2008, 04:42:49 AM
         If it's OK with you Randy I will put a link to the 1975 LS 12 fret you have. That is a Larrivee collectors item.
  A new LS would look a lot different but it is cool to see this one.
                      Here is the link  http://randyrick.us/guitars/Larrivee1975LS09.htm
                      Hog top was brought up by a few and I would be interested. But then I thought about that Italian spruce Jean scored recently and thought. YES rosewood and Itali, or Hog and Itali. I asked him if it was more like Adi than sitka and his answer was yes. But whatever guitars he makes with the Italian will be rare.
                                    Fun stuff.               Danny

Man, I didn't know that Italian Spruce was up to that quality.... now I am not sure whether to go with MT or Italian spruce...

and Randy's LS looks amazing.. I really really like the bold inlay! and i really couldn't care less for the rosette!!






Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 02, 2008, 04:44:30 AM
Of all the extras considered (including the slothead), I think the Italian spruce tops sounds the most tempting. JCL seemed to be really happy with his find.  :drool:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 02, 2008, 04:45:29 AM
But is JCL really gonna release the Italian spruce to us......??


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 02, 2008, 04:51:29 AM
But is JCL really gonna release the Italian spruce to us......??

Maybe if he really digs the idea of revisiting one of his traditional designs. He might want to make it special (with extra $$$). Of course, I might smoking something too.

- Adam


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 02, 2008, 04:57:52 AM
Of all the extras considered (including the slothead), I think the Italian spruce tops sounds the most tempting. JCL seemed to be really happy with his find.  :drool:
                         Yea, it has grown in appeal to me also, and 12 fret short scale seems to be not as appealing after the info that has been shared.
                          RICKY..... be sure and tell the dealer to ask if JCL will let us have some Italian tops.

 Here is a link to my thread on visiting Yarnell place, it takes you right to the pics of Jean holding one top and a 2cnd pic of a stack of 1972 Italian Spruce. I hope I got that year right.
                                                http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=22941.msg202163#msg202163

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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 02, 2008, 05:18:02 AM
I am still considering the Hog top..

If JCL would use real mahogany not sapele...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 02, 2008, 05:26:06 AM
I've seen pictures of some LS models I would love to have an example of, the LS classical.  But, I'm guessing we're talking about an LS steel string here.  I already have an OM-10 and a P-09 and do not need another small steel string.  But, my Kamouraska classical could use an upgrade.  If either an LS classical or an L model becomes an option, I would love to get one.

Tim



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 02, 2008, 05:36:27 AM
  No interest in a classical till now

             Here is JCL and the 1972 Itali Spruce

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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 02, 2008, 06:51:50 AM
I'd let JCL pick the scale length based on the other components. He'll know what will work best. Gotta be careful or you'll have a camel built by committee.....

Let's let JCL override the specs... I don't understand all this 12-fret-to-body and short scale and bridge placements - all mean sound & tone wise.

I'm sure these specs would make significant impact.

MY ASSUMPTION UNTIL NOW...
The LS-03...   It will cater to fingerstyle; but for light to moderate strumming... which is what I mostly do... will it hold up with a decent "thump" ???


My personal usage assumption is all I really care about... sound, tone, volume, projection.

Someone please comment - in case I'm in another planet.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 02, 2008, 06:53:36 AM
Thanks for the pics Danny.

I'll inquire about and mention the Italian tops.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 02, 2008, 02:53:33 PM
     Ricky your 00-09 is suppose to arrive today isn't it? That's a 12 fret long scale, you will have something to compare to very soon.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ryler on December 02, 2008, 03:23:29 PM
I haven't replied yet because of my own uncertainty about being a solid buyer.  If we're getting close to 2 grand, well, I probably just can't do it.  But if you still want to know preferences, then here's what I'd like to see:

00
gloss
short scale
12 fret
maple binding
rw b/s (though hog would not drive me away)

On gloss vs. satin:  how much does gloss drive up a price?  As an -03 owner, I just would like to have gloss.  Just an appearance thing.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 02, 2008, 03:42:56 PM
I pretty much agree with Ryler:

00 (or LS)
gloss (or satin)
short scale -- a key consideration for me because of the lower tension
12 fret
maple binding
rw b/s

Thx,
Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: KenHolden on December 02, 2008, 03:56:49 PM
LS-04?

simplicity of the 03, with the gloss body

just a suggestion


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Queequeg on December 02, 2008, 04:47:11 PM
For what it's worth, IMHO a double ought (00) is not really a strummer.
Just not enough headroom on that soundboard.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 02, 2008, 04:53:48 PM
Any thoughts on a L-sized 12-fret forum w/ slot-head option?? I would think a 12-fret L would be an ultimate combo, the picking advantages of the L plus more volume with the 12-fret...an L on steriods and more of a strummer than possibly the LS?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 02, 2008, 05:07:07 PM
For what it's worth, IMHO a double ought (00) is not really a strummer.
Just not enough headroom on that soundboard.
                    I agree that my 00 is not a strummer, but for light strumming it is nice. I just cant attack it much it just vibrates out of your hands.
                    I guess we are drifting into all the "what ifs" now. I hope this stays on course at least for a few more days until we have some feedback from Larrivee and the dealer.
                    But a L in a 16'' lower bout wouldn't fly for me sadly. I have to stick with the small bodies. LS or 00 is the only size I can play for any length of time. If not for that a 000-50 or 60 meets the specs of a lot of things mentioned.
My LSV-11 was fine for me, but....nuff said. 
                                    Small body, low bling, 12 fret, short or regular scale,peghead option would be nice and a few tonewood options plus Italian top (and hog as option) It's a wait and see time.
                                                                               Danny


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 02, 2008, 05:09:36 PM
I'd like mine stuffed full of cash.


holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 02, 2008, 05:13:05 PM
I'd like mine stuffed full of cash.


holly
   Nice option,  I actually look inside the body of all these old gits I buy and expect to find something stashed in there. All I have found so far is a STICK, fuzz balls, and an occasional match book cover folded to stop a buzz or under a nut.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 02, 2008, 05:26:31 PM
I'd like mine stuffed full of cash.


holly
:roll
Put me down for 2!  What the hell, a righty and a lefty!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bhika on December 02, 2008, 05:29:57 PM
:roll
Put me down for 2!  What the hell, a righty and a lefty!

Now what would you do with a Righty Guitar that's stuffed full of cash. Might as well make it two lefties.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 02, 2008, 05:30:39 PM
For what it's worth, IMHO a double ought (00) is not really a strummer.
Just not enough headroom on that soundboard.

I do agree that OO wouldn't be a strummer...


Any thoughts on a L-sized 12-fret forum w/ slot-head option?? I would think a 12-fret L would be an ultimate combo, the picking advantages of the L plus more volume with the 12-fret...an L on steriods and more of a strummer than possibly the LS?

L / 12fret sounds nice as well..

But as Danny said, L wouldn't do it for me... small body all the way!! :thumb


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 02, 2008, 05:32:19 PM
Any thoughts on a L-sized 12-fret forum w/ slot-head option?? I would think a 12-fret L would be an ultimate combo, the picking advantages of the L plus more volume with the 12-fret...an L on steriods and more of a strummer than possibly the LS?


I like that line up of features too. I'd rather have an 00 but that would be cool.

BTW....Bluesman....I'm going to a jam in Raleigh tonight. Its at the Big Boss Brewing Co at 7:30. Never been there before so I don't know what to expect...but it should be fun. Guitars and beer. What could be bad?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 02, 2008, 06:06:39 PM
BREAKING NEWS...

Many of you have been wondering who the Dealer is... I thought it would only be fair to announce this publicly... so this is the email I got from him
this morning... around 8am Mountain Time.

Note that the other Ricky is from Larrivee.  If this becomes confusing... his R is Upper Case, my r is lower case... or refer to me as "rpm".


Ricky,  I spoke with Ricky from Larrivee and he is going to be meeting with Jean Larrivee later this week. Ricky was not sure that Jean would do it for 10 guitars. He was looking for 16 for a custom order on 03's.  I think that I can work with him on the number. I just placed a big order yesterday so the timing is good!
 I need to give Ricky a set of preliminary specifications to show Jean Larrivee. Can you summarize this for me? There will be the chance to tweak them down the road.
  As for communication to the forum  I will leave that up to you. You can tell them that we have started the process with Larrivee to get the price quotation and that Jean will be looking at it this week.
 You can count me in for one of the guitars! I am excited about this and really like the idea of an LS 12 fret. I will do my normal custom set up on each guitar and include a custom bone saddle on them all as well.

Thank you
Jim Holler



I hope this has been informative.

Warmly,

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 02, 2008, 06:07:12 PM
To those suggesting different body types:

The discussion is fruitful, but if we change the body size now I think a few of us might pull out. If this one fails then it may be worthwhile to start another forum guitar thread if you think you have critical mass. As it is, it looks like it's an LS. Let's try to focus to make this reality for all of us and at least get something on the table that you folks can say "Yes" or "No" to.

Thanks!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 02, 2008, 06:14:00 PM
     Ricky your 00-09 is suppose to arrive today isn't it? That's a 12 fret long scale, you will have something to compare to very soon.

Danny, it's in Canada.  It left Winnipeg, Manitoba (16 hours drive East of Edmonton)... so maybe tomorrow.

Thanks! I'll compare.

Tried my friends L-03R - compared it to my GS-Koa and what used to be my 410-E LTD Walnut...
With my eyes closed... Koa sounded brightest, Walnut okay,
BUT the L held up and outroared the Taylors in the Volume and Bass department !!!

Seriously thinking that my GS-Koa should now belong to another person... maybe a Collector;
I'm afraid I'm going to do the unthinkable... sell my last Taylor. Let's see :wacko:

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 02, 2008, 06:17:36 PM
Thanks for the good news Ricky,

So, LS/12fret it is!! then!! YAY!!



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: L-fan on December 02, 2008, 06:19:22 PM
An LS 12-fret would be a special guitar.  Looks like this will be the baseline?  How much more specific do we need to get?  Woods?  I bet we could all agree that we would want upgraded tuners.  I sure hope I can get my finances aligned with this in January.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Blue in VT on December 02, 2008, 06:25:39 PM
 :thumbsup :thumbsup

Awesome glad to hear that Jim is involved in the situation...While I am still very intersted I learned today that my job may not be very secure for the near future.   I will follow the discussion with interst but can't commit money at this point...maybe by the time things are being finalized I'll be in abetter place... :?

Cheers,

Blue


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 02, 2008, 06:33:41 PM
Thanks for the good news Ricky,

So, LS/12fret it is!! then!! YAY!!



This Forum Git indeed is an LS-03 - short-or-regular scale (it's up to JCL), 12fret to body, low bling


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 02, 2008, 06:40:52 PM
OO - Fans   

(when I got curious about making available an out-of-production guitar... I was initially thinking of those who wish to have an OO as I was fortunate enough to buy the last new old stock in North America... found it in Wildwood Music, Ohio).

If you're serious about the OO... please indicate if you can commit money.

I'll start counting Money-Down Interest for OO... and see if it reaches critical mass for an order.
(But we'll have to request Randy to start another thread for OO).

Let me know.   Like OO and can commit money...? PM me... or another person can lead the OO campaign.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 02, 2008, 06:45:23 PM
This Forum Git indeed is an LS-03 - short-or-regular scale (it's up to JCL), 12fret to body, low bling


As part of the low bling theme, you could have no fretboard markers (just on the side) - I think that looks classy on fingerstyle guitars.  I am still so tempted by this, and I do have an aunt who lives in Toronto that could be a middle ground for getting it to the UK!  When would we need to commit to a deposit/full payment ricky?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 02, 2008, 06:48:47 PM
Is it safe to assume it's a Satin Finish? Cause you know how persnickety I am about the Satin Finish,lol. Jim is awesome, I have on of the last L03 Mahoganys on hold with him and he was very amenable to work with. plus, the saddle upgrade rocks.

In regard to tuners, i could care less. Given that I can upgrade that for about $35, it's not a make or break for me.

Ahem, back to the Satin Finish question.....

holly

p.s. Thanks Ricky, pretty impressive.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 02, 2008, 06:52:34 PM
As part of the low bling theme, you could have no fretboard markers (just on the side) - I think that looks classy on fingerstyle guitars.  I am still so tempted by this, and I do have an aunt who lives in Toronto that could be a middle ground for getting it to the UK!  When would we need to commit to a deposit/full payment ricky?

Ben,

I can't give you a specific answer as to timeframe. We were guessing the Git will be available by Spring due to Christmas & NAMM busy schedule.

But Jim of Trinity Guitars, our dealer, says he just made a huge order which may accelerate this... Everything is speculation at this point.


BEST GUESS... If you have deposit by Feb 2009, I suppose that would be safe?

Let's wait to hear specifics and PRICE from Jim.

Thanks for your interest. It would be great to count you in.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 02, 2008, 07:00:04 PM
Is it safe to assume it's a Satin Finish? Cause you know how persnickety I am about the Satin Finish,lol. Jim is awesome, I have on of the last L03 Mahoganys on hold with him and he was very amenable to work with. plus, the saddle upgrade rocks.

In regard to tuners, i could care less. Given that I can upgrade that for about $35, it's not a make or break for me.

Ahem, back to the Satin Finish question.....

holly

p.s. Thanks Ricky, pretty impressive.

Holly, from the LIST  that I posted... I indicated that a gloss-finish is a deal breaker for you.

Even though I like gloss, I would rather have you IN... and stay with Satin finish (as Danny said previously, we can just shine ours to get the glossy look).

If it will not complicate the order, let's ask Jim / Larrivee if we can order Gloss or Satin.



In short,   the forum git is....    SATIN finish! (by default...   if available & allowed, gloss may become an optional upgrade - LS-04)

ricky (Holly, let us know if you're able to commit... no pressure - you indicated a timing issue earlier... given Christmas gift shopping etc..)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 02, 2008, 07:03:26 PM
This Forum Git indeed is an LS-03 - short-or-regular scale (it's up to JCL), 12fret to body, low bling


It would be good if Jim could at least raise the short scale issue with Larrivee so they know there is some interest in it -- unless I'm now the only one who would like a short scale. I would also like the possibility of a slotted headstock option to be raised.
 Another issue is determining the size of the LS -- apparently there have been different sizes for the LS??

Many thanks to Jim Holler and RPM!!

Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 02, 2008, 07:05:04 PM
I can commit before Feb depending on the amount of the deposit. Gee., that's helpful huh? After Jan. I will have more options. You know, cause the goverment has a plan and all...

C'mon you know you want a satin finish, all the cool kids have one.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on December 02, 2008, 07:20:02 PM
BEST GUESS... If you have deposit by Feb 2009, I suppose that would be safe?
Let's wait to hear specifics and PRICE from Jim.

I have to wonder how many others like myself have remained silent on the subject of a forum special edition because our economic situation is either tight or imploded. I have followed this discussion closely and am sad to say the specs sound very appealing. Sad because it raises doubts on my sanity to think about wanting one.  :humour:

Anyone who had been reading my posts knows I want another Larrivee, I've drooled all over Steve's nice L-10. Those who asked about an L size should lookup his listing in For Sale. My situation is one of short on cash but relatively rich on credit. I lament that it is easier to buy a new guitar from a dealer than to obtain a fine instrument from a forum member for cash. Lament, but that's how it is.

I'm very interesting in a chance to own an "n of n" special edition. I can not commit now but am eager to get a final specification and price quote. My guess is that others may be in my same situation. We stayed out of the specification setting and won't movers and shakers in this effort but just might be "takers" if the price is right.

I feel a real connection with several of the forum members and would consider it a privilege to share ownership in a "made for us" guitar. I've also been looking for a way to buy something from Jim. He was very gracious during my initial exploration into Larrivees. If I hadn't bought Danny's LSV-11E I was planning on an LV-03RE from Jim.

Wow, have I rambled or what?!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 02, 2008, 07:27:32 PM

If it will not complicate the order, let's ask Jim / Larrivee if we can order Gloss or Satin.

If I'm not mistaken the satin and gloss finishes are done in different plants. One in Vancouver and one in Oxnard. I forget which is which...but I'd be really surprised if that was an item that Larrivee would do in a split order. If the order is for 03s it will go to one plant if its 05s it goes to the other. (I'm not sure about this but that is my recollection).

Anyway, I MIGHT be in on the order...depends on the final specs (ie woods) and price.  I've already got a 12 fret OM a 12 fret LS seems so close to the OM body size. Not sure yet how I feel about it.



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 02, 2008, 07:36:03 PM
Ricky,

Are you going to get hit with Duty on this guitar? Depending on the courier it can be INSANE. I think, if you have to pay Duty and we should pass the hat. After all you were manic, um, determined enough to pull this together.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on December 02, 2008, 07:53:18 PM
Ricky,

Are you going to get hit with Duty on this guitar? Depending on the courier it can be INSANE. I think, if you have to pay Duty and we should pass the hat. After all you were manic, um, determined enough to pull this together.

holly

Here, here! Even if I don't buy in I'd support Ricky's extra fees.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 02, 2008, 08:11:16 PM
Ricky,

Are you going to get hit with Duty on this guitar? Depending on the courier it can be INSANE. I think, if you have to pay Duty and we should pass the hat. After all you were manic, um, determined enough to pull this together.

holly

Ricky and I both will. It will be whatever the US price is plus 20% due to the lagging Canadian $$ (though I am enjoying the interest rate on my mortgage). On top of that the duty and courier fees will add another 20% for me, possibly less for Ricky because Alberta's taxes are less than Ontario's (yeah Alberta!). Given that it will be winter and it's a busy time for me at work and school, I'll probably just have to suck up the extra fees.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 02, 2008, 08:17:18 PM
I PM-ed Jim Holler for the Specs as follows:  buyers pls PM me or post  if I overlooked anything, thanks!

Hello Jim,

As you requested, here's the Specs for the LS-03 Forum Git. I will also post this for other to see, to make sure I'm accurately representing the majority consensus.

Thanks,
ricky

LS-03 Forum Guitar Specs

Small body (exactly 4” depth based on Older LS specs)
12-Fret-to-body
SCALE: short is preferred
(or regular scale, if JCL thinks it will compromise sound/design; we trust the builder)

B&S – 03R (EI rosewood) or 03 (mahogany)
TOP – Spruce
FINISH – Satin
BINDING - Maple

OPTIONS / WISH LIST / NICE TO HAVE – Please indicate if extra cost?

Top – some wish to have a mahogany top MT option
Please ask Jean if he is willing to use his stock of Italian Spruce. Will this be extra cost?

Headstock – Slotted optional, otherwise – std headstock w sealed tuners – ebony buttons

Cutaway – others wish to order LSV (venetian – soft cutaway version); NO Florentine

Other Tonewoods for B&S – Is silver oak, walnut, maple… available?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 02, 2008, 08:20:57 PM
Ricky,

Are you going to get hit with Duty on this guitar? Depending on the courier it can be INSANE. I think, if you have to pay Duty and we should pass the hat. After all you were manic, um, determined enough to pull this together.

holly

Love your humor Holly.   No duty on American, Mexican, or Canadian made products - thanks to NAFTA, unless President O ditches it; I hope the Forum Git will be safe in my hands by then.

Manic... who's manic? :wacko:  This thing just came to life because of the members of this funny farm.

This should be my full-time job!

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 02, 2008, 08:22:27 PM
Here, here! Even if I don't buy in I'd support Ricky's extra fees.

Norman... you have this in writing you realize?  :whistling:

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on December 02, 2008, 08:28:36 PM
Norman... you have this in writing you realize?  :whistling:

ricky

Yes, I will put my portion into the offering if the hat is passed.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 02, 2008, 08:28:55 PM
Ricky and I both will. It will be whatever the US price is plus 20% due to the lagging Canadian $$ (though I am enjoying the interest rate on my mortgage). On top of that the duty and courier fees will add another 20% for me, possibly less for Ricky because Alberta's taxes are less than Ontario's (yeah Alberta!). Given that it will be winter and it's a busy time for me at work and school, I'll probably just have to suck up the extra fees.

As an example: 1600 USD is about 2050 CDN for say a guitar.     Plus shipping & insurance is: 100USD which is 125 CDN

5% GST (Canada's national sales tax)

7-8% (Provincial tax except Alberta, yey!)

Well, I'm counting my blessings!  Though I sometimes wish I live south of the border in good ol' USofA, I'm glad I'm not in UK like BenF or down under Australia.  :whistling:

Warmly (it's snowing here),

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 02, 2008, 08:36:04 PM
Yes, I will put my portion into the offering if the hat is passed.

It will go for a very good cause, bro !!!  :humour:

ricky



Seriously though... I'm thinking my Taylor GSKS-e (Koa) should go to its next owner - likely a collector who is willing to cough up 2400 USD. Still thinking...

The OO-09 and if this Forum Git becomes a reality should be enough (2 only: but for the right price, maybe a used L-03R and OM-03R to make it 4 total).


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 02, 2008, 08:38:13 PM
As an example: 1600 USD is about 2050 CDN for say a guitar.     Plus shipping & insurance is: 100USD which is 125 CDN

5% GST (Canada's national sales tax)

7-8% (Provincial tax except Alberta, yey!)

Well, I'm counting my blessings!  Though I sometimes wish I live south of the border in good ol' USofA, I'm glad I'm not in UK like BenF or down under Australia.  :whistling:

Warmly (it's snowing here),

ricky


Yes, that is a really crappy part of living in Canada...

I believe PST is 7% in Manitoba.. where I live...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 02, 2008, 08:40:18 PM
I'm glad I'm not in UK like BenF   :whistling:


Watch it!!! :humour:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: kaos on December 02, 2008, 09:22:01 PM
Is it too late for me to get in on this?   :bowdown:

Will the guitar have a pick guard (hope not)?

 :donut   :donut   :donut   :donut 

I have the money.

mary

'94  00-09
'95  OM - 05
'08  LSV - 11
80's  LS - 4 (electric)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 02, 2008, 09:37:00 PM
Oh it would be AWESOME if they left the pick guard off. That would save me $30 right there. Can we have a no pick guard option?

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 02, 2008, 09:50:16 PM
I would also like the possibility of a slotted headstock option to be raised.
Since you mention this, I just have to ask.  I like this possibility also, slotted headstock, with a two inch nut, and nylon strings.  Seriously, though, if the body is the same size, how much of a difference would there be between an LS acoustic and an LS classical?  They are both 12 fret LS sized bodies.  Pardon my ignorance of the construction differences, but would there be too much of a difference for it to be an option?  I'm just hoping the option is enough of a possibility for me to commit to one, even if it is at a small premium of the 'standard' version.

Thanks.

Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 02, 2008, 10:15:03 PM
Since you mention this, I just have to ask.  I like this possibility also, slotted headstock, with a two inch nut, and nylon strings.  Seriously, though, if the body is the same size, how much of a difference would there be between an LS acoustic and an LS classical?  They are both 12 fret LS sized bodies.  Pardon my ignorance of the construction differences, but would there be too much of a difference for it to be an option?  I'm just hoping the option is enough of a possibility for me to commit to one, even if it is at a small premium of the 'standard' version.

Thanks.

Tim

Is the bracing pattern not totally different due to the different string tensions (thereby not necessitating the same strength to counteract the pull on the top).  It was my understanding that they were two very different beasts.

Ben


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 02, 2008, 10:27:29 PM
Oh it would be AWESOME if they left the pick guard off. That would save me $30 right there. Can we have a no pick guard option?

Agree! A no pickguard ( or clear pickguard ) option would be great.

Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 02, 2008, 10:30:15 PM
My understanding is that Classical's are fan braced and much thinner in general than a steel string.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 02, 2008, 10:38:00 PM
Since you mention this, I just have to ask.  I like this possibility also, slotted headstock, with a two inch nut, and nylon strings.  Seriously, though, if the body is the same size, how much of a difference would there be between an LS acoustic and an LS classical?  They are both 12 fret LS sized bodies.  Pardon my ignorance of the construction differences, but would there be too much of a difference for it to be an option?  I'm just hoping the option is enough of a possibility for me to commit to one, even if it is at a small premium of the 'standard' version.

Thanks.

Tim

It wouldn't be just the neck that would have to change.

I would think that if you just changed the neck but nothing else, nylon strings wouldn't vibrate the top enough....


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 02, 2008, 10:39:38 PM
Oh it would be AWESOME if they left the pick guard off. That would save me $30 right there. Can we have a no pick guard option?

holly

I concur


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 02, 2008, 10:46:06 PM
Is the bracing pattern not totally different due to the different string tensions (thereby not necessitating the same strength to counteract the pull on the top).  It was my understanding that they were two very different beasts.
The top bracing is probably different and/or lighter for a classical compared with an acoustic.  What I did not know and wanted to find out is how difficult it might be to change things other than the body shape, as things like the braces may be hand formed and placed anyway.  I wasn't sure how much automation or semi-automation there was in the construction process that might make accommodating this difficult.  If it is difficult to achieve, I say, sure, skip it.  I certainly do not want to hinder the group purchase.  If it is not too difficult to do, I could probably commit to one.  Unless I ask, I don't know one way or the other how close I might have been to getting one.

Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: noyage on December 02, 2008, 11:31:09 PM
I read the forum every day and watched this thread closely.  I'm the third owner of an all-hog Forum guitar and love it.  I do often wish for a bit more string-spacing at the saddle though.  If I'm not mistaken, the pyramid bridged Larrivees have slightly greater string-spacing at the saddle.  Any thoughts from the group?  I  may have missed it but I haven't seen any mention of string-spacing yet for the Forum III.

regards,
-rick


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 02, 2008, 11:49:35 PM
I just hope the canadian dollar would pick up a little... by the time we pay for the guitar..

our money is worth !$@%^&%*.......

As far as the string space goes... I like how the P-05 is...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 03, 2008, 12:10:32 AM
re the Canadian $: Yeah, it stinks and it probably won't get too much better by January (don't expect a great retail holiday season to rock the stocks)

re the nylon classical: Ummm... the proposal is an LS-03 braced for steel string. A classical would be a totally different guitar in my understanding and a great candidate for another forum guitar thread. Otherwise, 1 3/4 nut has had a good response from those committed and thinking to commit.

re the mere remote possibility italian spruce top: I'm still dreaming about it. Do any of the committed members or those on the edge have anything against it?

re the wider string spacing and pyramid bridge: I could dig that, but I think some folks want this as a light strummer so I'm not sure it would speak to the majority

re the pickguard: I don't want a pickgard on this guitar either. Would it be too much to ask for them to include one but not attach it?

How many people are we up to now that the specs are more or less solid??


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 03, 2008, 12:28:09 AM

re the pickguard: I don't want a pickgard on this guitar either. Would it be too much to ask for them to include one but not attach it?


I am up for the idea of not attaching but including!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 03, 2008, 12:32:23 AM
                                        :nana_guitar  :nana_guitar  :nana_guitar  :nana_guitar  :nice guitar:  :nana_guitar  :nana_guitar   :nana_guitar  :nana_guitar
                                                                                                      :bowdown:
Okay, haven't been around much lately, just occasionally reading threads here and there. You go away and when you come back there is a whole new group of members and they're doing something useful.
I would definitely have an interest in a LS-03 12 fret (long scale preferred) bargin price plane jane. The ital spruce top sounds intriguing, satin finish is fine, throw in a case and strings and well......
Funds?  I already have too many guitars so some need to go, but selling may be easier said than done. Consider me a strong maybe.  :thumb

 :donut2  :donut  :donut2  :donut  :donut2  :donut  :coffee  :coffee  :coffee  :wave



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 03, 2008, 12:44:55 AM
Consider me a strong maybe.  :thumb

Thanks Mr_LV19E.   I just joined in early October...  Welcome back & thanks for the donuts & coffee.

Hope you do get to sell some of your collection and join us to make this Forum Git a reality.

ricky :donut :coffee :donut2


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 03, 2008, 12:51:50 AM
Is it too late for me to get in on this?   :bowdown:

Will the guitar have a pick guard (hope not)?

 :donut   :donut   :donut   :donut 

I have the money.

mary

'94  00-09
'95  OM - 05
'08  LSV - 11
80's  LS - 4 (electric)

mary  :welcome:

You're just in time. We'll count you in as a "for sure" with money down.

You will be the 7th sure buyer as Jim our dealer is getting 5th for himself and 6th for his store.

If I could serve you real Starbucks  :coffee I would... but I'm in Canada... how about Tim Hortons  :donut :donut :donut2 :donut2 :humour:

ricky

Pickguard (I think not)... but I'm a strummer so I'm requesting for a Torqoise pickguard on mine.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 03, 2008, 12:55:33 AM
Oh it would be AWESOME if they left the pick guard off. That would save me $30 right there. Can we have a no pick guard option?

I believe the vast majority will say NO pickguard.

However, I'm a Tortoise pickguard fan because I strum  ( so strummers who want pickguard can join me ... this is obviously a minor option )

Since Jim is a luthier himself, he can probably get this installed on an individual request basis.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 03, 2008, 12:59:26 AM
The top bracing is probably different and/or lighter for a classical compared with an acoustic.  What I did not know and wanted to find out is how difficult it might be to change things other than the body shape, as things like the braces may be hand formed and placed anyway.  I wasn't sure how much automation or semi-automation there was in the construction process that might make accommodating this difficult.  If it is difficult to achieve, I say, sure, skip it.  I certainly do not want to hinder the group purchase.  If it is not too difficult to do, I could probably commit to one.  Unless I ask, I don't know one way or the other how close I might have been to getting one.

Tim

Tim, I'll definitely ask Jim if we can accommodate your request.  This is too technical for me to even comment.

I understand the default nut width is the regular 1 3/4"   ===   the current LSV-11 1 13/16 and your 2" is definitely a special order.

Warmly, ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 03, 2008, 01:02:17 AM
  Ricky if it is an 03/satin it will be made in Canada, so it sounds like no duties for ya'll
                
      JIM, I know you must be checking this thread, so consider that there is more interest being generated and 16 may be achievable. I'm still amazed.

                      A lot of good things have been brought up by so many that I can't quote them all
                     but it looks like we are ON THE WAY to a nice little Larri guitar :guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 03, 2008, 01:02:56 AM
re the Canadian $: Yeah, it stinks and it probably won't get too much better by January (don't expect a great retail holiday season to rock the stocks)

re the nylon classical: Ummm... the proposal is an LS-03 braced for steel string. A classical would be a totally different guitar in my understanding and a great candidate for another forum guitar thread. Otherwise, 1 3/4 nut has had a good response from those committed and thinking to commit.

re the mere remote possibility italian spruce top: I'm still dreaming about it. Do any of the committed members or those on the edge have anything against it?

re the wider string spacing and pyramid bridge: I could dig that, but I think some folks want this as a light strummer so I'm not sure it would speak to the majority

re the pickguard: I don't want a pickgard on this guitar either. Would it be too much to ask for them to include one but not attach it?

How many people are we up to now that the specs are more or less solid??

Italian Spruce... I take the SILENCE to mean Yes. Concensus.

Pickguard... None, but please include a Tortoise detached as I want one installed in mine.

TOTAL = So far 7 including mary & Jim (2); of course there's you, Danny, me, es-335

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 03, 2008, 01:05:27 AM
So if it is made in Vancouver..

Will it go to our dealer after being built?

Vancouver -> Dealer(US) -> Somewhere in Canada?

Thats like a double importing job lol



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 03, 2008, 01:06:40 AM
Forum Git III - LS-03


nut width is 1 3/4
no pickguard, but some buyers want a tortoise pickguard detached 2 b installed by Jim



ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 03, 2008, 01:09:33 AM
So if it is made in Vancouver..

Will it go to our dealer after being built?

Vancouver -> Dealer(US) -> Somewhere in Canada?

Thats like a double importing job lol



es-335... Jim may be open to a local pick-up.  I can pick up yours & Adams, maybe we 3 Canucks can go to Factory in Vanc

and pose for pics when pick-up with Jim, Danny and others who may wanna fly in? WOW !!! That would be awesome !!!


I can show you around Vancouver where I lived for 9 years but did not know Larrivee at all nor pay attention to guitars!   :nana_guitar

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 03, 2008, 01:13:16 AM
Ricky Thanks for your kindness.

Although I live in Winterpeg right now, I actually just moved to winnipeg last may from Campbell River, BC.

But me and the wife are thinking of moving back to BC probably nanaimo:).

Flying to VanCity would cost way too much lol.

Unless if the guitar is ready in June or July... Local pick up for me would be impossible lol:)

Cheers  :cheers


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 03, 2008, 01:18:47 AM
Ricky, Would we be using Mahogany? or Sapele?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 03, 2008, 04:09:51 AM
Well I guess I'll get off the sidelines and enter the discussion again.   I can't believe that this subject was first brought up only a few days ago and already it's gotten to the critical mass stage.
Ricky, Danny and a few others of you ambitious forumites have got the ball rolling and it seems like  it's going to actually result in a Forum Guitar III.  I'm sure it would have died a slow death without
the perserverance of the few who are heading up this endeavor.    :cheers   Cheers to you who have led the charge.

At first I had cast my vote for a 00-03 type of guitar with slotted headstock and a tasteful inlay at the 12th fret.   It looks like the LS-03 is the more popular choice now.   That's not a deal breaker as far as I'm concerned. 

Here are some random thoughts concerning some of the items discussed in recent posts:

I would be ok with the LS-03
Ital. Spruce or mahogany top would be equally acceptable
If the top is going to be spruce I would prefer the back and sides to be mahogany since I already have two spruce/rosewood Larrivees.  Probably wouldn't get another one if that's all that was offered.
Slotheads are very cool.  I love my 000-50mt with slothead but I know they will drive up the cost.
paddlehead is fine too;  I'd like to see a rosewood overlay perhaps.
Personally I think it would be very cool to have no fret markers at all except at the 12th fret;   perhaps a "JCL" in mop or even a snowflake. that would be the only marker on the fretboard;  side markers of course should be as normal.
Also I'd love to see a pyramid bridge on this thing.   small little touches that add character without adding a lot to the final cost is what I would shoot for.

Lastly, and I'm afraid this is gonna be a deal breaker for me,  :bgrin: They have to offer it in a "Lefty" version.

   Tuffythepug

 


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 03, 2008, 04:14:40 AM
I would be ok with the LS-03
Ital. Spruce or mahogany top would be equally acceptable
If the top is going to be spruce I would prefer the back and sides to be mahogany since I already have two spruce/rosewood Larrivees.  

How about Maple B/S(considering it is an option......)?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on December 03, 2008, 04:47:53 AM
LS-03 sounds great to me.  Tell me when to drop deposit!  Rosewood or mahogany would be great (please not sapele....please!) for price concerns; probably +1 on hog.  Italian top and abalone rosette would be my preferred extras...but that is it.  Short or long scale is no bother, but I hold to my earlier post that long scale would be better for tone on these specs.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 03, 2008, 04:49:41 AM

If the top is going to be spruce I would prefer the back and sides to be mahogany since I already have two spruce/rosewood Larrivees.  Probably wouldn't get another one if that's all that was offered.

I hope there will be some choices for the back and sides. Just as some already have rosewood guitars and want mahogany, others of us already have mahogany guitars and want rosewood.  I think they call this Murphy's Law.   :)

Were any such options made available with the previous Forum guitars?

Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 03, 2008, 05:01:21 AM
The last forum guitar (both runs) were offered in mahogany. The option was spruce top or hog top.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 03, 2008, 05:02:17 AM
mary  :welcome:

You're just in time. We'll count you in as a "for sure" with money down.

You will be the 7th sure buyer as Jim our dealer is getting 5th for himself and 6th for his store.

If I could serve you real Starbucks  :coffee I would... but I'm in Canada... how about Tim Hortons  :donut :donut :donut2 :donut2 :humour:

ricky

Pickguard (I think not)... but I'm a strummer so I'm requesting for a Torqoise pickguard on mine.

           Ricky,  If we go with no P.G. I would not mind, and I have a Larrivee tortoise P.G. if you want one.
  I was going to remind you of LawDogStrgsAttach... but he just posted and you can include him in the solid count.         
LS-03 sounds great to me.  Tell me when to drop deposit!  Rosewood or mahogany would be great (please not sapele....please!) for price concerns; probably +1 on hog.  Italian top and abalone rosette would be my preferred extras...but that is it.  Short or long scale is no bother, but I hold to my earlier post that long scale would be better for tone on these specs.

            
How about Maple B/S(considering it is an option......)?
If you read the previous posts you can find the answers to most of these questions, but some are not going to be known by anyone until Jean replies and let's us know what he wants to do.
                 Thanks T the P for your encouragement
 
                  This will be a nice one if JCL will make it. I believe these smaller ones may be a little more difficult to make for them now, so if he does say yes I will be thankful for the consideration that is shown us.

                THANKS TO JIM HOLLER for taking this on and being right in the middle with us. :thumbsup


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 03, 2008, 05:15:21 AM
I hope there will be some choices for the back and sides. Just as some already have rosewood guitars and want mahogany, others of us already have mahogany guitars and want rosewood. 
Al
                    And then there are those of us who have had 6 RW and no Larri hogs. But I don't mind which way we go.
 I will always like the JCL recipe. ie RW,spruce. But I like my maple 00-09 and a Mahogany from Larrivee looks about as good as any wood out there. But as LawDog... stated I would not care for a forum git in sapele. I still think a short scale would be interesting, but after what has been posted earlier by members who know much more than me, it seems that JCL would want to make this in regular scale.
                   But we will all have to wait and hear from him what will be the final specs.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 03, 2008, 06:50:06 AM
Ricky, Would we be using Mahogany? or Sapele?

There is much interest for Hog.   As much as possible, no sapele - I'm just trying to represent the sentiments those who've shown interest in this Forum Git concept.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 03, 2008, 06:54:33 AM
Lastly, and I'm afraid this is gonna be a deal breaker for me,  :bgrin: They have to offer it in a "Lefty" version.
   Tuffythepug

Tuffy... thanks for coming off the sidelines. I agree with you that we should add more interesting features provided it does not increase the cost.

I think slotheads are classic looking, but my only objection to it and traditional tuners is the exposed gears = oxidation, corrosion, jammed tuners.





I heard it mentioned that JCL is a lefty himself and offers south-paw guitars at no extra cost.

Of all people here, I sure would not want you left out (no pun intended...oooops). :whistling:

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 03, 2008, 06:56:20 AM
LS-03 sounds great to me.  Tell me when to drop deposit!  Rosewood or mahogany would be great (please not sapele....please!) for price concerns; probably +1 on hog.  Italian top and abalone rosette would be my preferred extras...but that is it.  Short or long scale is no bother, but I hold to my earlier post that long scale would be better for tone on these specs.

LawDogStrgsAttach... I'll update the LIST and include you in the "for $ure."

Thanks, ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 03, 2008, 07:03:01 AM
                    And then there are those of us who have had 6 RW and no Larri hogs. But I don't mind which way we go.
 I will always like the JCL recipe. ie RW,spruce. But I like my maple 00-09 and a Mahogany from Larrivee looks about as good as any wood out there. But as LawDog... stated I would not care for a forum git in sapele. I still think a short scale would be interesting, but after what has been posted earlier by members who know much more than me, it seems that JCL would want to make this in regular scale.
                   But we will all have to wait and hear from him what will be the final specs.

Go Danny! Thanks for covering tonight... as I was out most of the evening.

I would direct readers to my previous post, which is a copy of my PM to Jim Holler about the LS-03 specs he requested... can be found somewhere in page 7 or 8 here.

Under OPTIONS:

Other Tonewoods: I mentioned / wondered about the possibility of using Maple, Silver Oak, Walnut,


Thanks again. ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 03, 2008, 07:11:12 AM
As of Tuesday evening 11:05 PM Pacific Time:

THE LIST:

1. $ Danny dependan
2. $ Adam limnephildae
3. $ ricky rpm60912
4. $ Jeff es-335
5. $ Jim Holler
6. $ Trinity Guitars
7. $ mary kaos
8. $ LawDogStrgsAttach
9. L-fan (if inspired enough will sell current git to buy in)
10. Tad
11. Dale
12. Holly Strawingold (wants satin(if glossy - holly strawingold is out), no C-pointy cutaway or she's out)
13. Tuffy - lefty version
14. Mr-LV19E (interested but will need to sell some gits)

$ - indicated solid commitment with funds ready


Other Posts - assuming they are in favor of LS
1. Al ARK,
2. bluesman67
3. KenHolden (LS) --- all made comments assuming they are in favor of LS
4. iDavid - hogtop
5. Blue in VT
6. BenF - Ben
7. GeeNorm - Norman

OO only

1. Dotneck
2. jrdavis (deeper body)

Please alert me if I happen to miss anybody... or someone is in the wrong list.

Unless anyone else backs out, we're halfway through the required 16. Others have indicated their interest, but await the PRICE.

If the Forum Git III is consistent with 03 price range... then, we may very well have more "takers" if JCL approves an affordable LS-03.

Thanks everyone. Thanks Jim for representing us.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: kaos on December 03, 2008, 10:52:08 AM
Will the neck be satin too?  I love the feel of the satin neck.

I would be in the satin, mahogany camp, and the hog top would be something I would pay extra for.

Ricky, thanks for going the extra mile on this endeavor.   :thumbsup

mary


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: L-fan on December 03, 2008, 11:56:57 AM
Go Danny! Thanks for covering tonight... as I was out most of the evening.

I would direct readers to my previous post, which is a copy of my PM to Jim Holler about the LS-03 specs he requested... can be found somewhere in page 7 or 8 here.

Under OPTIONS:

Other Tonewoods: I mentioned / wondered about the possibility of using Maple, Silver Oak, Walnut,


Thanks again. ricky

Ricky - I wanted to thank you for including the question about the possibility of other tone wood options.  I love JCL's way with mahogany, but as I mentioned in a previous post, Maple b/s would be very exciting to me - I've been wanting a satin finish maple guitar for awhile.  Also, since I have a line on a OO guitar for purchase, I am firmly in the LS camp now, and am happy it is settled out that way.  This is fun!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 03, 2008, 01:57:27 PM
Will the neck be satin too?  I love the feel of the satin neck.

I would be in the satin, mahogany camp, and the hog top would be something I would pay extra for.

Ricky, thanks for going the extra mile on this endeavor.   :thumbsup

mary

Yes, thanks for running with this Ricky and Jim H.

Mary, Larrivee is even putting satin necks on the high end models now, so I'm sure the answer is yes. re: hog tops, this may be extra cost now, where-as 4 years ago it was the same cost.  I'll wait to see if mahogany is even offered to us as a body option for an 03 series special run, which it hasn't been for over a year now.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 03, 2008, 02:27:55 PM
I am hoping rosewood is an option.  If it's hog, cool but I'm already up to my eyeballs in hog guitars.  Hopefully there will be a few of these options available so that more forum members would want to buy one of these special guitars.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Blue in VT on December 03, 2008, 03:07:32 PM
Ricky,

Way to keep the ball rolling... :thumbsup.  But you can pull me off the list for now....see my above post about my job situation... :crying:  If my situation changes I'll re evaluate....sounds like a great guitar

SIGH...

Blue


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 03, 2008, 04:23:39 PM
Tuffy... thanks for coming off the sidelines. I agree with you that we should add more interesting features provided it does not increase the cost.

I think slotheads are classic looking, but my only objection to it and traditional tuners is the exposed gears = oxidation, corrosion, jammed tuners.





I heard it mentioned that JCL is a lefty himself and offers south-paw guitars at no extra cost.

Of all people here, I sure would not want you left out (no pun intended...oooops). :whistling:

ricky

Ricky
With regard to traditional open-back type tuners:   I've got two guitars equipped with them.  My 1985 Gibson ES-335 has them and also my fairly new 000-50MT.    I've haven't had a problem with either one of them as far as oxidation, corrosion or jamming.  Of course it's still too early to tell whether the 000-50 will develop any of these issues.  I believe the open back tuners are just as reliable as sealed-back tuners over the long haul if you employ normal guitar maintenance such as light lubrication occassionally....   at least you can see what's going on there;  everything is visible; unlike sealed  tuners.  Having said that, I know most people don't want the hassle of replacing strings on the slothead and that option would add to the cost anyhow.   Perhaps standard paddle head with some upgraded sealed tuners would suffice.

Some of you may have wondered why I haven't been more vocal on the subject of the forum guitar.  Well, personal finances have left me in a position where I couldn't do anything right now now matter what guitar is decided upon.   I really have all the guitars I need at the moment and then some.    My newish 000-50MT is such a joy to play that I've kinda set the others aside for awhile.   But........a forum guitar is pretty special;  just ask anyone who got one of the earlier fourm I or II guitars.  Ask Bluesman67 how many times I've tried to talk him out of his lefty forum  03MT ..
it ain't gonna happen.  I've reamained silent up to now because I didn't want to have any undue influence on the procedings when I wasn't sure I would be able to participate when push came to shove.   Well, I guess the time for holding back is over.    It looks like this thing is gonna happen in some fashion.  I'd hate to miss out on the chance to get something very special that was put together by the great minds here on the forum and the fine craftmanship of Mr. L.   Go ahead and put a $ next to my name on your list.......I just put away a crisp new $100 bill for a deposit.  I'll worry about tomorrow tomorrow.
Watch for some left handed electrics coming up for sale in the near future  :bgrin:

Tuffythepug




Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 03, 2008, 04:30:39 PM
If the deposit is $100 I'm in for sure.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 03, 2008, 04:31:53 PM
I think slotheads are classic looking, but my only objection to it and traditional tuners is the exposed gears = oxidation, corrosion, jammed tuners.

I don't really think those are issues to be concerned with. For example, Waverly's are open back tuners and are some of the most highly regarded and most reliable tuners on the market.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 03, 2008, 04:55:34 PM
Waverly's are outstanding quality tuners built to last a lifetime, I believe they are also the only ones that are adjustable.  A little petrolium jelly on the gears 1 or 2 times a year is the required maintenance.  Just my opinion, but if anything, it's most closed back tuners that won't outlast open a good quality open back.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 03, 2008, 04:56:38 PM
Ricky
With regard to traditional open-back type tuners:   I've got two guitars equipped with them.  My 1985 Gibson ES-335 has them and also my fairly new 000-50MT.    I've haven't had a problem with either one of them as far as oxidation, corrosion or jamming.  Of course it's still too early to tell whether the 000-50 will develop any of these issues.  I believe the open back tuners are just as reliable as sealed-back tuners over the long haul if you employ normal guitar maintenance such as light lubrication occassionally....   at least you can see what's going on there;  everything is visible; unlike sealed  tuners.  Having said that, I know most people don't want the hassle of replacing strings on the slothead and that option would add to the cost anyhow.   Perhaps standard paddle head with some upgraded sealed tuners would suffice.

Some of you may have wondered why I haven't been more vocal on the subject of the forum guitar.  Well, personal finances have left me in a position where I couldn't do anything right now now matter what guitar is decided upon.   I really have all the guitars I need at the moment and then some.    My newish 000-50MT is such a joy to play that I've kinda set the others aside for awhile.   But........a forum guitar is pretty special;  just ask anyone who got one of the earlier fourm I or II guitars.  Ask Bluesman67 how many times I've tried to talk him out of his lefty forum  03MT ..
it ain't gonna happen.  I've reamained silent up to now because I didn't want to have any undue influence on the procedings when I wasn't sure I would be able to participate when push came to shove.   Well, I guess the time for holding back is over.    It looks like this thing is gonna happen in some fashion.  I'd hate to miss out on the chance to get something very special that was put together by the great minds here on the forum and the fine craftmanship of Mr. L.   Go ahead and put a $ next to my name on your list.......I just put away a crisp new $100 bill for a deposit.  I'll worry about tomorrow tomorrow.
Watch for some left handed electrics coming up for sale in the near future  :bgrin:

Tuffythepug



                         T the P... I didn't think you would want to miss this one, and I have a feeling some others may solidify their interest sooner than later.
                           Just how many chances will there be to get a forum git? I know that is no biggie to some, but it's just that feel of custom made "for us" that makes a simple bling guitar very spacial, or a spatial ,or special. Good thing I have a spall chicker.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 03, 2008, 04:59:47 PM
I just thought I would share this info with those of you who are wondering about the Italian Spruce tops.      Over at the Santa Cruz Guitar Forum they also produced a "forum guitar".    SCGC produced exactly ONE of these.  One lucky forum member was allowed to purchase this special edition 000 body guitar.  They used figured mahogany back and sides and and ITALIAN SPRUCE
top with some nice bearclaw on it.   I'm sure ours wouldn't be so bearclaw-y.   :tongue:
 Here's a couple of pictures of that guitar so you can see the Ital. spruce look.





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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 03, 2008, 05:05:23 PM
   That may be a plus if JCL is told SCGC did a forum in Itali Spruce. I keep moving more that way if it's an option, or maybe Jean will feel moved to include it :whistling:  Either way I'm liking the idea more and more.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 03, 2008, 05:13:42 PM
I totally agree about the Italian Spruce top, and also with TTPs suggestion of a plain fretboard, given that this will ultimately be a fingerstyle git.  How about a different headstock inlay to set it apart from the standard range?  Did the original JCL guitars not have a JCL inlay rather that the script Larrivee logo?  Maybe I'm imagining it.

I have to say I am against the slotted headstock idea, because my impression of the purpose of the forum guitar was something very basic but a little special (or spatial Dan) for subtle reasons, primarily rarity, without making it exclussive to the wealthy.  Surely the slotted headstock will add significant $$$ to the price.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 03, 2008, 05:15:54 PM
  Slotted would be an option is my guess.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 03, 2008, 05:17:38 PM
Italian spruce and rosewood w/ a slot head option, simple rosette, I would have to buy one!! (2 if it's stuff w/ money Holly).


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 03, 2008, 05:29:23 PM
Man, I almost think I should choose the Itali spruce top!!..

I am pretty sold on MT..(hoping it is hog no sapele).. but Itali spruce sounds too good to not get one...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 03, 2008, 05:37:37 PM
  Slotted would be an option is my guess.

Fair comment.  Is it not prudent to minimise the number of options, however, for fear of putting JCL off the idea.  I am happy to go with the consensus if that is the case.  I just hope the ship to the UK option can be accommodated!!!!  Unitl I get an answer on that, I am unable to play guitar, for fear of the implications of uncrossing my fingers!!!

 :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :?

Do you reckon ricky is peeking out of the front door yet for the FedEx van? :whistling:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 03, 2008, 05:40:51 PM
Italian spruce and rosewood w/ a slot head option, simple rosette, I would have to buy one!! (2 if it's stuff w/ money Holly).
   That would be a nice one  :guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tadol on December 03, 2008, 06:25:18 PM
Still want one, but I am going to sit on the sidelines til there is some feedback from the factory about the possibility of building it, their decision about design/material/options, and then ultimately, price. Once the spec is nailed down, hopefully we would have a little time to pull the 16 together to make it happen, gather the deposit money, and then get the ball rolling -

In the meantime, I think I'll put a couple more guitars, tools, and books up for sale just to be ready -  :ohmy:


Tad


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 03, 2008, 07:38:56 PM
Thanks to Jim Holler for his help, can I please be shifted into the 'in' column please

As soon as JCL agrees to the project, there will be a cracking OM-03 for sale in the UK if anyone on here is interested.

Unless the forum guitar is too expensive, then there will alos be a pristine D-09 covered in tears for sale too!!

 :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 03, 2008, 07:55:53 PM
                                       YES SIR   we be movin on now.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on December 03, 2008, 11:09:58 PM
                                       YES SIR   we be movin on now.

The more interesting the destination becomes the more people who will come on board. Let me try a conjunction of two movie titles.
Field of Dreams (If you build it they will come) and Band of Brothers (restating a key motive for purchase I've heard from Ricky, Danny, myself, and others.)

Norman


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 03, 2008, 11:25:31 PM
I think the no fretboard markers is a great idea too, but I will defer to JCL on this. It will be interesting to see how Jim's negotiations go in the next couple of weeks. I hope we get some more folks on board as we go.

Cheers,

Adam


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 03, 2008, 11:49:19 PM
Good to see this project is moving forward!

I can't wait till hear back from Jim/Larrivee.

It is pretty exciting to think that I could have another fantastic guitar in my arms!


on the bling(inlay/rosette and etc) I will be fine with whatever we decide on.. ! (although I like herringbone better than abalone, herringbone seems less blingy) :cheers


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: kaos on December 03, 2008, 11:58:14 PM
I must say this whole thing has got me terribly excited.  And, if it works out, my niece will be inheriting my old OM-05.  Everybody's happy!

And I can do Sapele (some of it is gorgeous)! 

mary


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 04, 2008, 12:06:10 AM
Good to see this project is moving forward!

I can't wait till hear back from Jim/Larrivee.

It is pretty exciting to think that I could have another fantastic guitar in my arms!


on the bling(inlay/rosette and etc) I will be fine with whatever we decide on.. ! (although I like herringbone better than abalone, herringbone seems less blingy) :cheers

Jeff... make sure you remember your 100th post... You'll soon be a senior member!

Wait... what am I doing here? I should be opening that tall box  :ohmy: ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 04, 2008, 12:10:07 AM
Ricky,

I JUST read your post of how you were describing the guitar!... I mean the box!

That must be so exciting, congratz on your new guitar!

Now.. I guess it is time for you to ROCK:)!!

again congratz!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 04, 2008, 12:48:00 AM
Would it be helpful if we could come up with a theme (or name) to suggest to JCL for this guitar?  A guitar that honors or reflects some past time, event, milestone, guitar lore, or??  Something a little more "exciting" than Forum III (NO disrespect intended!). Then we would have the _____  Guitar!  And if we did have a theme, it might help define (coordinate) some of the options being discussed (e.g., type of fretboard markers, etc).

Ideas?

Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 04, 2008, 01:07:39 AM
                                             LITTLE ITALI :winkin:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 04, 2008, 01:10:25 AM
Would it be helpful if we could come up with a theme (or name) to suggest to JCL for this guitar?  A guitar that honors or reflects some past time, event, milestone, guitar lore, or??  Something a little more "exciting" than Forum III (NO disrespect intended!). Then we would have the _____  Guitar!  And if we did have a theme, it might help define (coordinate) some of the options being discussed (e.g., type of fretboard markers, etc).

Ideas?

Al

Interesting idea. Since Jim Holler stepped up. I suggest we come up with a name that involves his shop:

"Trinity Custom"

"Trinity Edition"

"Holler Special"

What does everyone think?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 04, 2008, 01:13:56 AM
I like Holler Special. It's an excellent play on words. As in Holler cause it's Special, Jim's name and note of specialness, plus it sounds like the good, humble kick -CENSORED- guitar larrivee is known and loved for.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 04, 2008, 01:16:19 AM
Hollerific!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on December 04, 2008, 01:21:21 AM
Popular question. How about bel tesoro? iGoogle says this is Italian for lovely treasure which I'm sure this little lady will be!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 04, 2008, 01:28:16 AM
  We still don't have confirmation from Larrivee, so we may want to not name it officially until we know it will be done and if they will offer the Italian tops.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 04, 2008, 01:43:44 AM
Another slant would be a name that suggests the style of the guitar. For example, something like Larrivee LS Folk SE (Special Edition, or perhaps use FSE for Forum Special Edition) might suggest traditional tuners, herringbone rosette, and minimal (or no) fretboard markers. On the other hand, another name might suggest modern looking tuners/buttons, abalone rosette, and fancier fretboard markers, etc.

Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 04, 2008, 01:52:27 AM
How about "Ye Olde Guitar". Kinda catchy in a marketing way, no?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 04, 2008, 01:57:20 AM
Okay, here goes my 100th post...

I saw some pictures of the Forum guitar 1 at Randy_R's webpage.

http://randyrick.us/guitars/LarriveeForumGuitar.htm

and I really liked how it says on the label "FORUM GUITAR"

(http://randyrick.us/guitars/LarriveeForum10Label.jpg)

I think that is really special to have the "FORUM GUITAR" somewhere on the label :) :thumbsup

but how about "resurrection"??

since Ricky started the whole project with the idea of "bringing back the orphaned Larri-models"


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 04, 2008, 02:01:08 AM
Speaking of names...

Think of some name that will represent "Us" here at the Forum and something about our mutual admiration for Larrivee Guitars.

Remember, the concept was born in the hearts and minds of this LF Family !!!   ... and again, our passion & die-hard loyalty to Larrivee the guitars we've come to like a lot.

ricky

Stores and dealers special order their guitars and have names that represent their store.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 04, 2008, 02:07:46 AM
Okay, here goes my 100th post...
and I really liked how it says on the label "FORUM GUITAR"
I think that is really special to have the "FORUM GUITAR" somewhere on the label :) :thumbsup

but how about "resurrection"??

since Ricky started the whole project with the idea of "bringing back the orphaned Larri-models"

Jeff... Congrats on your 100th post - Mr. Senior Member, Sir.

I agree with Jeff... Forum Guitar should be on the label.... if not III, then 2008 Forum Guitar.

Hey... I do like "resurrection" even beyond the concept of recreating orphaned models...  :winkin:



Nice picture of that label... and oh that Mahogany !!!   (I'm NOT a HOG fan... and you guys make me wanna have one; I actually spotted an LV-05 MT (w pickup) !!!  :drool:

But, I'm saving up for this Forum Git... it's why I'm thinking of selling my last and only Taylor.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 04, 2008, 02:11:40 AM
How about?

Forum Guitar - LS-03 Retro 

Or, to reflect our Forum Family's character...

"Forum Guitar
Larri LoyaLS-03"

ricky

What do y'all think ??? :?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 04, 2008, 02:15:08 AM
I'm all for Forum Guitar III.

Here's Charlotte's Label
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t28/jpiazza67/forum5.jpg)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 04, 2008, 02:24:57 AM
I'm all for Forum Guitar III.

Larrivee Forum III LS Revival

Larrivee Forum III LS Special Edition

Larrivee Special Edition LS Forum III


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tadol on December 04, 2008, 02:25:41 AM
The pictures of forum labels make me wonder - while we wait for the info on this new Forum guitar, could everyone who has one of the original Forum guitars take a picture of it ( maybe with a holiday scene ) and submit it? Maybe we can have a special picture section of Forum guitars and their families?

Tad


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 04, 2008, 02:33:31 AM
I'm all for Forum Guitar III.

Here's Charlotte's Label
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t28/jpiazza67/forum5.jpg)

                  1-16 of 16....        Something like that....Simple. Understated. Like a simple Larrivee.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 04, 2008, 02:51:38 AM
Now that I think of it.. I like "Forum Guitar III"

It's just simple! :)



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Cybenator on December 04, 2008, 03:01:28 AM
I'd like to add my name to the "LS" list, but would like full spec details before total commitment,  yeah right... :humour:


Any chances of an exotic tonewood
   


Maple, walnut or even blackwood.  :thumb


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 04, 2008, 03:23:46 AM
I'd like to add my name to the "LS" list, but would like full spec details before total commitment,  yeah right... :humour:


Any chances of an exotic tonewood
   


Maple, walnut or even blackwood.  :thumb
Larrivée D-09 Blackwood
Larrivée L-05 Red Spruce Top
Larrivée OM-03 Koa
Larrivée OM-03 Walnut                                     
                                                    It may be exotic for you if it was RW :humour:
DeArmond M-68 Moon Blue
Fender Stratocaster
Fender Telecaster '52RI Copper
Fender Bullet S-2 Sunburst
3 Ukuleles


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 04, 2008, 05:02:41 AM
could everyone who has one of the original Forum guitars take a picture of it ( maybe with a holiday scene ) and submit it?



(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1309/1449800057_913a2dc470_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: mole2 on December 04, 2008, 08:39:42 AM
We are coming to one spec:

LS body
Top:Spruce or Hog
Back: RW or Hog
12fret short scale




How about a slothead?  I really like the slotheads and that would add another unique facet to the git.


 :thumb


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 04, 2008, 09:53:21 AM
How about a slothead?  I really like the slotheads and that would add another unique facet to the git.


 :thumb

FWIW, I think that this should be one of the 'options' which I still think have to be as few as possible.  I think cost is an important factor for many of the folk who are interested.  The slothead thing seems to be split pretty 50/50 so it seems an obvious candidate for an option.  Randy suggested that there were two options last time, we might need to limit it to two or three this time too to save it becoming to cumbersome a task for JCL.

Another thing that sprung to my mind was the 03's are made in Canada, and therefore surely we are limited to what they can build there without major changes? Is the Italian Spruce stock not in California?  Also, a gloss option seems an unreasonable ask.

Any of the guys on here who know better want to hazard a guess as to how likely this project is to succeed now?  We must be into double figures with numbers now.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 04, 2008, 11:03:13 AM
Interesting idea. Since Jim Holler stepped up. I suggest we come up with a name that involves his shop:

"Trinity Custom"

"Trinity Edition"

"Holler Special"

What does everyone think?

Remember that Jim is a Luthier himself - is it unreasonable to suggest he has his name on someone elses?  Just a thought.  The Trinity suggestion would maybe be fine, however.

I like the 2008 or 2009 FORUM GUITAR - NUMBER 1 of 16 approach like before - simple but meaningful to whoever owns them, and that is the important factor for me.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 04, 2008, 12:47:30 PM
That's a good point. BTW, anyone who hasn't checked out Jim's guitars should go have a look see. Wonderful, straight forward, lots of emphasis on the wood. The rosettes are just what I want on mine, someday.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 04, 2008, 02:19:05 PM
Remember that Jim is a Luthier himself - is it unreasonable to suggest he has his name on someone elses?  Just a thought.  The Trinity suggestion would maybe be fine, however.

I like the 2008 or 2009 FORUM GUITAR - NUMBER 1 of 16 approach like before - simple but meaningful to whoever owns them, and that is the important factor for me.

Yeah, that's a good point. There is no reason to make this complex and simple names are always better in the end. I suppose it would be 2009 FORUM GUITAR.

Cheers,

Adam


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Queequeg on December 04, 2008, 02:42:00 PM
I too, have been hesitating to post in this thread for a couple of reasons.
I saw the last attempt at a forum guitar go down quietly in flames. Also, I'm not sure that I need another guitar. In fact, I'm sure I don't, so I would have to sell off a couple to add my name to this list. But that could happen.
While I really appreciate a slothead, I know that it adds a lot of labor (read: money) to the guitar.
Still, for me, if it's going to be a forum guitar, if it's gong to be unique, well, there should be something special about it.
Maybe something that doesn't break the bank for everybody. Something that doesn't alter the manufacturing facility (and in this case, country) in which it is built.
Maybe something as simple and as beautiful as the rosette.
Have you all seen what spalted maple looks like in a guitar rosette?
I know,it's kind of silly, but if I buy one of these forum guitars, (assuming for a moment that there in fact just might be a forum guitar) there would have to be something about this guitar that I couldn't find in any other Larrivee guitar.
Just a thought. I'll back away now, at least until we hear back from Jim and his conversation with Jean.
here; have a donut. 
(http://www.milburnguitars.com/spalted.gif)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bhika on December 04, 2008, 02:44:35 PM
What about the old stlye Larrivee Mosaic Rosette.



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 04, 2008, 03:04:38 PM
I know,it's kind of silly, but if I buy one of these forum guitars, (assuming for a moment that there in fact just might be a forum guitar) there would have to be something about this guitar that I couldn't find in any other Larrivee guitar.

12 fret / discontinued LS body... isn't that a little bit special?? :winkin:

What about the old stlye Larrivee Mosaic Rosette.


I WOULD LOVE THE MOSAIC ROSETTE!!!!!!!!

12fret website has a good pic of the mosaic rosette
http://www.12fret.com/new/Larrivee_JCL_reissue_pg.html


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 04, 2008, 03:08:08 PM

(http://www.milburnguitars.com/spalted.gif)

Nice idea!  An exotic wood rosette in my view can look very classy, and something like spalted maple would sure be unique, without breaking the bank.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 04, 2008, 03:17:40 PM
Yeah, that's a good point. There is no reason to make this complex and simple names are always better in the end. I suppose it would be 2009 FORUM GUITAR.

Simple. Forum Guitar #x of xx.  No offense meant to Jim...but I don't think his name or company name should be on the guitar. It was conceived here and he's just placing the order. He'll get his cut and get a ton of publicity in the forum for handling the transaction.

If you have to put a name on it...how about the "rpm60912 signature model"

 :laughin:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 04, 2008, 03:22:58 PM
(http://www.milburnguitars.com/spalted.gif)


I like those too....on a McElroy.  I think the appointments should at least say "Larrivee"

At the "03" level I don't think you can expect a lot of special touches. Maybe if you went up a grade or two in models but the 03s are spartan utilitarian guitars. After thinking about it for a few days.....I bet JCL offers Sapele and I wouldn't be surprised if he nixes the LS body style.  

FWIW....I prefer a simple abalone rosette over wood or herringbone.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 04, 2008, 03:28:15 PM

At the "03" level I don't think you can expect a lot of special touches. Maybe if you went up a grade or two in models but the 03s are spartan utilitarian guitars. After thinking about it for a few days.....I bet JCL offers Sapele and I wouldn't be surprised if he nixes the LS body style.  

FWIW....I prefer a simple abalone rosette over wood or herringbone.


I hope JCL offers real mahogany!!

one vote for NO :nanadance woody rosette!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: roguegnome on December 04, 2008, 04:02:42 PM
12 fret / discontinued LS body... isn't that a little bit special?? :winkin:

I WOULD LOVE THE MOSAIC ROSETTE!!!!!!!!


I don't know; somehow "discontinued" doesn't have that special ring to it.
prolly just me...
McElroy doesn't have a patent on spalted maple rosette. I saw it on a Kragenbrink and also on a McKnight (both pretty nice guitars).


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 04, 2008, 06:05:42 PM
What about the old stlye Larrivee Mosaic Rosette.



I would also love the mosaic rosette. I'm not sure if everyone feels the same way however.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 04, 2008, 06:16:07 PM
Does the mosaic involve smashed up sea critter? Anyone got a pic?

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 04, 2008, 06:20:27 PM
Does the mosaic involve smashed up sea critter? Anyone got a pic?

holly

Check out the rosette on the C-09:

http://www.larrivee.com/2_Main/main.html

That's what we're talking about.

Smashed up sea critter...I like that. Yeah, keep the mythical watery tarts off my guitar please. :)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 04, 2008, 10:32:05 PM
Holly
I'll re-post the link from above where es-335 showed the Larrivee 40th anniv. with the mosaic rosette in question:     http://www.12fret.com/new/Larrivee_JCL_reissue_pg.html

I'm pretty sure that there are no smashed up sea critters in it.   I believe it's made of baby harp seal and spotted owl bones.    :whistling:

Glad you can take a joke, Holly.   :bgrin:   Really, I think the mosaic is not made from anything that has been alive for at least 10,000 years.   From the mineral realm rather than the animal one in other words.

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 04, 2008, 10:44:49 PM
That is the headstock inlay I referred to earlier too tuffy. I am glad I didn't imagine it's existence!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 04, 2008, 10:49:36 PM
Holly
I'll re-post the link from above where es-335 showed the Larrivee 40th anniv. with the mosaic rosette in question:     http://www.12fret.com/new/Larrivee_JCL_reissue_pg.html

I'm pretty sure that there are no smashed up sea critters in it.   I believe it's made of baby harp seal and spotted owl bones.    :whistling:

Glad you can take a joke, Holly.   :bgrin:   Really, I think the mosaic is not made from anything that has been alive for at least 10,000 years.   From the mineral realm rather than the animal one in other words.

Tuffythepug

The logo and rosewood cap are perfect. That is exactly how I would want the headstock to look. Thanks for re-linking that.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 04, 2008, 10:50:54 PM
Oh, I don't care that it's remnants of a dead thing, I just think it's mundane. That's the nicest thing I can say about it,lol. No offense to shiny shell lovers everywhere. It's just not my thing.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: flatlander on December 04, 2008, 11:52:09 PM
Oh, I don't care that it's remnants of a dead thing, I just think it's mundane. That's the nicest thing I can say about it,lol. No offense to shiny shell lovers everywhere. It's just not my thing.

holly
I have no direct interest as I won't be getting one of these, but I felt compelled to throw in that the old mosiac rosetta
is not a real blingy or flashy type of thing. Very classy looking in a subtle way. It's little teeny squares of wood, not shell. I remember when I got mine being pretty young and ignorant, I didn't realize at first that it was 1000's of little wood sqares. Just wanted to throw that in. If I was in, I'd see if they were available. 2 cents.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 05, 2008, 12:02:58 AM
Something like that would be great. I'm all about a wood rosette.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 05, 2008, 12:44:00 AM
Time to update the LIST.

I need to add Tuffy in the $ list.

I need to correct my typing or misreading Holly's userid - "strawintogold" vs. strawingold.   Thanks for the one who PMed me regarding this - you know who you are.
Holly, for $100 Deposit you're in? Otherwise, no?

Anyone else I need to add to the list?

I hear Jim is upbeat about the Forum Git -  that's always good. No news from JCL yet.

Warmly - though it's freezing up here!

G'nite. ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 05, 2008, 12:46:07 AM
If you have to put a name on it...how about the "rpm60912 signature model"

Now you're talkin'  :humour: ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 05, 2008, 12:48:13 AM
Some decorative motifs could be copied from other guitars in the current Larrivee line-up.
For example the herringbone rosette used on the 50 and 60 traditional series (along with the concept of a slightly larger soundhole) could be adopted for this "custom" 03 model forum guitar. These rosettes look like classic traditional soundhole ornamentation.   I could live with just about anything really as long as it was tasteful.

Tuffythepug


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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 05, 2008, 01:05:11 AM
Some decorative motifs could be copied from other guitars in the current Larrivee line-up.
For example the herringbone rosette used on the 50 and 60 traditional series (along with the concept of a slightly larger soundhole) could be adopted for this "custom" 03 model forum guitar. These rosettes look like classic traditional soundhole ornamentation.   I could live with just about anything really as long as it was tasteful.

Tuffythepug


I'm not really a herringbone fan, but anything Tuffy says... Hmmmmmmmmmmm... I like.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 05, 2008, 01:19:56 AM
Oh, I don't care that it's remnants of a dead thing, I just think it's mundane. That's the nicest thing I can say about it,lol. No offense to shiny shell lovers everywhere. It's just not my thing.

holly
                     You got me babe.... or I got you babe... or I hope my wife doesn't see this.
                                               Anyway , I agree :thumbsup


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 05, 2008, 01:22:02 AM

Danny and Holly....geez get a room ! :roll
Ricky
Flattery will get you everywhere my friend... :laughin:
But seriously
I realize that it's not everybody's cup-o-tea but I'm just throwin' it our for discussion.   I meant way I said about being ok with just about anything as long as it was tasteful.  I realize that one person's tasteful is another person's pretentious gaudiness but I think most of us would agree that it certainly shouldn't be anything like the bling on a 10 series for example.  I'd prefer non-glittery I guess.  Spalted Maple or even a Koa rosette would be fine.    Hey..........   A KOA wood rosette on Italian spruce............hmmmmm

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 01:22:41 AM
to me

mosaic > herringbone = abalone  

but.. that is the least part that I care about..


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 05, 2008, 01:26:55 AM
Danny and Holly....geez get a room ! :roll
Ricky
Flattery will get you everywhere my friend... :laughin:
But seriously
I realize that it's not everybody's cup-o-tea but I'm just throwin' it our for discussion.   I meant way I said about being ok with just about anything as long as it was tasteful.  I realize that one person's tasteful is another person's pretentious gaudiness but I think most of us would agree that it certainly shouldn't be anything like the bling on a 10 series for example.  I'd prefer non-glittery I guess.  Spalted Maple or even a Koa rosette would be fine.    Hey..........   A KOA wood rosette on Italian spruce............hmmmmm

Tuffythepug
   Heh, let's not make it worse here :winkin:
                       I like the H-bone idea.. it is a kind of off a base thing for Larrivee that may set it apart. BUT I am just hoping it get's built :thumbsup


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 01:30:32 AM
When will we hear from JCL?? any idea??


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 05, 2008, 01:35:30 AM
When will we hear from JCL?? any idea??
                           ARE WE THERE YET   Sorry couldn't help it...7 kids and 10 g-kiddos ya know :blush:
I have no direct interest as I won't be getting one of these, but I felt compelled to throw in that the old mosiac rosetta
is not a real blingy or flashy type of thing. Very classy looking in a subtle way. It's little teeny squares of wood, not shell. I remember when I got mine being pretty young and ignorant, I didn't realize at first that it was 1000's of little wood sqares. Just wanted to throw that in. If I was in, I'd see if they were available. 2 cents.
                                  So if we got you one for 2 cents, would that work?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: L-fan on December 05, 2008, 02:09:20 AM
On the topic of Italian Spruce, here is a portion of a short interview with JCL posted by David Wren on the 12th Fret website - many of you have already read this (http://www.12fret.com/new/Larrivee_2008_Twelfth_Fret_Limited_Edition_OM-03R_pg.html):

================

Jean talked to me from his home last night and after thanking him profusely for making these special guitars for us, we talked shop for a while.  He has graciously agreed to allow me to print a short excerpt from our conversation. 
 
So Jean,  are you still flying all over the place hunting down tonewoods for your instruments?

Even now I just got back from Europe.  I just hand selected 2000 tops, unbelievable quality spruce tops.

Is that the Italian spruce that I've been hearing rumors about?

Yes.  I’ve already got around 1000 tops that have been seasoned in the shop right now.  I'm really impressed with this wood.  It has all of the properties I need to get the response I’m looking for.

I remember that we used a lot of European spruce back in the '70s.

This is much better wood than that though.  I switched to Sitka in the ‘70s because I was able to get much much better quality and it made better guitars.  Now if I am patient and go through enough  wood,  I am once again able to get some European spruce that is the quality I need.  In order for me to pick 1000 guitar tops though,  I have to go through six or seven thousand and reject the rest.

Are you still active on in the shop when you're not traveling around the world searching for wood?

Of course! I still carve necks.  I do all the Bluegrass necks on the 50 & 60 series guitars and all the joining of tops.  I glue them up in California and then drive them up to Vancouver where we have our big planning machine.    I do all of the grading of woods as well.  I go through every top,  back, side and neck and grade it as a 03,  05,  09,  or 10.


======================

JCL's last comment there really got my attention when I first read it.  It made me wonder whether all Larrivee guitars have to go through Vancouver at some point in their manufacturing process, meaning multiple trips back and forth for the gloss guitars?  If anybody can clear up my confusion, that would be nice.   :blush:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 02:26:09 AM
On the topic of Italian Spruce, here is a portion of a short interview with JCL posted by David Wren on the 12th Fret website - many of you have already read this (http://www.12fret.com/new/Larrivee_2008_Twelfth_Fret_Limited_Edition_OM-03R_pg.html):



a bit of off topic..

The 12th fret ltd edition guitars look good..

spec:
*  numbered series of only 12 made
bone nut & saddle
herringbone top marquetry
precision Gotoh 1:15 ratio vintage-style tuners
*  squared peghead profile
*  Madagascar rosewood peghead overlay
ebony pyramid bridge
*  tortoiseshell pickguards supplied
*  1 3/4" wide bone nut
bound ebony fingerboard
*  one piece tropical mahogany neck
*  hand fit dovetail neck-to-body joint
*  adjustable truss rod
*  medium elliptical neck profile
*  65 cm (approx 25.5") scale length
*  bookmatched Sitka spruce top
*  proprietary Larrivee symetrical X-brace system
*  herringbone top perimeter and rosette
*  2 5/16" string spacing at bridge
*  maple body binding
*  rosewood back & sides
*  15 3/8" wide lower bout dimension
*  4 1/4" deep sides at end block
*  matte finish
*  hardshell case

I highlighted the specs I like...

wouldn't that be nice to have the similar stuff on our guitar??


O.... I have a question..

Since LS is not in production anymore, there is a really good chance that we might not be able to get the hard shell case..

If larrivee does not have new old stock hard case for the LS body.

what would we do??



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 05, 2008, 02:32:14 AM
 He said this to me also, He does all the tops. I don't know if they all go to Canada and then some come back, but I know a lot of road travel goes on between Yarnell and Vancouver.

  A LS would fit in a 00 case, if made to the old specs, I think.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: flatlander on December 05, 2008, 02:37:23 AM
       So if we got you one for 2 cents, would that work?
uh.....................ok.   I'd even promise to be a good boy for a substantial length of time. :bgrin:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 05, 2008, 02:41:08 AM
  Well in 16 more posts you are going GOLD, Maybe we could all chip in and get you one. :whistling:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: flatlander on December 05, 2008, 02:56:22 AM
  Well in 16 more posts you are going GOLD, Maybe we could all chip in and get you one. :whistling:
You're making me derail another thread. But you might have trouble with the "we" part. I'm very content with my 3 now anyway. It would be cool to have one fall out of the sky though, then go on a hunt for some really talented kid with no money and say "here ya go buddy"  :thumb


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 05, 2008, 03:00:20 AM
Abolane rosette would be my least favorite choice.  I would rather it be the plain 03 rosette.  Herringbone is my favorite but those mosaic or other salty wood ones would be equally as good.  Ebony bound neck would definitely be a nice touch that seems like it would add very little to the cost.  As for a label, the first group were called "Forum Guitar"  the second group had labels that read "Forum II", it seems fitting to simply have, "Forum III" for these.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 05, 2008, 05:05:57 AM
Time to update the LIST.

I need to add Tuffy in the $ list.

I need to correct my typing or misreading Holly's userid - "strawintogold" vs. strawingold.   Thanks for the one who PMed me regarding this - you know who you are.
Holly, for $100 Deposit you're in? Otherwise, no?

Anyone else I need to add to the list?

G'nite. ricky

Ricky,
I'm waiting (impatiently!) to see some of the specs and options.
Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 05:07:01 AM
Ricky,
I'm waiting (impatiently!) to see some of the specs and options.
Al

I guess the spec all depends on what JCL has to say..


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 05, 2008, 05:25:24 AM
I guess the spec all depends on what JCL has to say..
Yep -- that's what I'm waiting for. I have an OM-05, so just can't justify another mahogany (or sapele) guitar with the same scale length should that turn out to be what JCL would like to do. So I check here every 5 min or so to see if there has been any feedback from Larrivee! Sigh.

Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 05, 2008, 05:40:34 AM
Breaking News !!!

I'm posting Jim Holler's message to me as of past 8 this evening whatever the system time zone is.

TaaaaaaaaaaaaaaDaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

Ricky,  The news is good that Jean Larrivee has agreed to build the guitars. Here is what I know so far: All guitars need to be the same including the woods used. Only the standard rosewood and mahogany are available for body tone woods. He will do the LS body!!!!   Cutaway and slothead not available.  Italian spruce will be available but must be used on all the guitars it will add to the price.  Short scale is available will add to the price again would have to be on all the guitars. He will do it for a minimum of 10 guitars. This is down from 15.
  I will be able to fill in the pricing once I can talk to the Ricky at Larrivee. I hope tomorrow.   You can post this info on the forum. Do you know how many are interested?

   
Jim Holler

Time to sell whatever old or unused toys we all have lying around, scrape up the piggy bank, beg, sweet talk, whatever it takes to legally gather enough funds to own this Forum Git... at least that's what I and some will have to do & send our coins to Jim once price & deposit are final.

ricky  :laughin:  :nanadance  :donut :coffee :donut :donut2 :donut


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 05:43:30 AM
does that mean we all have to choose spruce?? no MT?

and is it real hog? or sapele?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on December 05, 2008, 05:45:26 AM
Let the movers and shakers move and shake!  :nanadance

Finalize the spec so us sideliners can make our heads and wallets line up!

Norman


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 05, 2008, 05:47:51 AM
does that mean we all have to choose spruce?? no MT?
From Jim's message, if we go Italian Spruce, ALL must have that top.

If we forget Italian, I suppose like the choice of RW or HOG for B&S, we may choose RegSpruce or MT ???   Jim can probably answer this when he hears from LarriveeRicky.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 05:50:59 AM
Thanks Ricky for your work again!  :donut :donut


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tadol on December 05, 2008, 05:53:54 AM
Hey Danny - The LS will not fit in an 00 case, but might fit into a modified 000 case. The 12 fret/short scale LS might require a little research into a special case, but it shouldn't be a problem.  

The 000 rosette is pretty sweet, but I think it is exceptional on the hog top. I hope they could modify it a bit for a spruce top.

I am trying to figure out which guitar I'm willing to sell to get this - I am NOT going to try and sneak this one past the wife. I've already pushed my luck too far on that possibility.

I would be interested in the Italian Spruce, but not if it adds a huge price increase. If we only need 10, I hope we can do something really special -

This will be the first "new" guitar I've ever bought!

Tad


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 05, 2008, 05:54:41 AM
and is it real hog? or sapele?

Jeff, I guess JCL would have specified sapele... tonewoods are "regular rosewood or mahogany"

Is sapele a species of mahogany?  I don't know.   You would think JCL is specific: sapele if he meant sapele only; mahogany for mahogany.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 05, 2008, 05:59:02 AM
Hey Danny - The LS will not fit in an 00 case, but might fit into a modified 000 case. The 12 fret/short scale LS might require a little research into a special case, but it shouldn't be a problem.
This will be the first "new" guitar I've ever bought!

Tad... I was reading the orig thread the other night. You were the one who suggested the LS-03 concept. You're always a step ahead of us - you're already thinking about the case for this Forum Git.

It sounds like you're coming on board... I must post the list again... I haven't even read everything so far - if others have committed.

Looks like we'll have more than 10.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 05, 2008, 06:02:03 AM
Thanks Ricky for your work again!  :donut :donut
You're welcome Jeff. I'm just thankful and humbled to be part of this amazing Forum Family. It feels like I gained a whole new community of friends. Man, I even remember specific people here when I'm quiet.

Better go to sleep... as my wife is off tonight. Can't get her irritated about my being on this Forum late night. Besides, she says there's a Christmas Gift (guitar)
besides the OO.

Yeah...!!! G'nite all.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 05, 2008, 06:09:58 AM
Well, I'm in favor of where we kind of started:  LS 12 fret, short scale, rw b/s, some kind of spruce top. However, I realize the majority will rule. BTW, I wonder what size LS JCL is considering ( apparently there was an original, smaller size, which would be my first choice).

It also occurred to me that if JCL will do this for as few as 10 guitars, maybe he would do 2 sets of 10 to allow for 2 different choices if we had enough folks interested.

Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 05, 2008, 06:14:08 AM
I will be able to fill in the pricing once I can talk to the Ricky at Larrivee. I hope tomorrow.   You can post this info on the forum. Do you know how many are interested?   
Jim Holler


I need to update the list... so please PM me if you wish to be added; but I guess many of us will want to know the EXACT PRICE.

Remember, italian spruce = ALL orders, no choice of tops...    if we drop italian = RegSpruce or MT (i hope, but not sure, need to ask Jim) - hope this TOP spec info is clear.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 06:36:17 AM
Well, I'm in favor of where we kind of started:  LS 12 fret, short scale, rw b/s, some kind of spruce top. However, I realize the majority will rule. BTW, I wonder what size LS JCL is considering ( apparently there was an original, smaller size, which would be my first choice).

It also occurred to me that if JCL will do this for as few as 10 guitars, maybe he would do 2 sets of 10 to allow for 2 different choices if we had enough folks interested.

Al

For me.. When it comes down to the body, smaller the better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and if we can get 20 people.. doing 2 sets of 10 guitars... that sounds fantastic..

I guess it'd be... btw 2 different tops? or b/s?



and Ricky,

If you could ask Jim, if JCL clarified hog/sapele..

and if MT is even available... and if we go with MT how much more.. $$ we are talking..

and if we drop italian, could we have something like 5 spruce and 5 MT?

also, are we talking that old school small body LS? or the newer body LS..(I assume there are 2 LS body shapes?)



Maybe Danny could tell us the difference between older/newer LS shapes(if there is any)??


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 05, 2008, 06:42:14 AM
If we have the option of Italian spruce then I think the best tonewood would be the rosewood. I'm willing to pay the extra but I think most of the participants will want to know the cost. I think the Italian Spruce Top will really help make this guitar special.

I'm neutral on the short-scale or regular-scale. I'll defer to the forumites because I don't play a lot of nonstandard tunings.

I can't believe this got approved so quickly. Thank you very much Ricky!!! My girlfriend is heading out to Edmonton this Christmas to visit her family; if either of us could bake I would send her with some muffins/cookies/cake (anything but fruit cake) for you. :) Happy Holidays all the same!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 05, 2008, 07:40:35 AM
Wow.    I'm shocked.   Not that there's going to be a forum III guitar but that it came to this point so quickly.

I don't understand if Jean is offering both rosewood and mahogany as choices for individual guitars or if the whole order must all be only one of the two.   I assume if we forego the Italian Spruce and use Sitka we may then get to choose mahogany as an alternate for the top but that would require that those guitars be mahog. back and sides too.   Some of us may have tough choices ahead.  :crying:  Not the least of which would be what guitar(s) have to be sold off to accommodate this new acquisition.   I may liquidate a couple of electrics I suppose.  Is it possible I could go from a non-Larrivee owner to a 4 Larrivee owner in 2 years ?   
Apparently so.  This is beyond normal GAS in my opinion.   It borders on sheer insanity.   Yes, yes,
sweet Larrivee insanity.   A guy just doesn't stand a chance around here.

(Let's not forget to ask about the no-fret marker possiblity with the exception of something on the 12th as well as a pyramid bridge which I think would be a very nice touch for this thing. Also the headstock overlay and actual peghead shape)
This is going to get interesting isn't it.

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 05, 2008, 09:05:15 AM
This is awkward, as I am sure I am posting whilst everyone else involved is sleeping.  I agree with tuffy that there are some difficult choices to be made re. selling guitars to make way.  Because fo the exchange rate, I may have to sell my D-09 to fund this, but I guess that can be replaced in the future, whereas the Forum III cannot!!

May I be so bold as to suggest that everyone who is definately in for this project list their preferences down to the fine details, and identify which things they are set on, and which things they are happy to go with the general consensus on.  Ricky has done all the hard work thus far, so perhaps it is unfair to ask him to collate all of this information into a single consensus.  Equally, this has been largley Ricky's baby, so maybe it is fair to let him see it through.  We won't know until later when you all get to read through all of this.

Since you won't read this for hours, perhaps I can start, and then you can all tell me to shut up later:

Specifications: -
LS-03 12 fret Satin finish
I am keen on the Italian Spruce - I think this is a great way to set the guitar apart from others
EIRW back and sides (think this will compliment the Italian Spruce the best - at least visually)
standard scale (happy to go with general view on this however)

Details: -
EIRW headstock overlay
Original JCL headstock inlay
No fretboard markers at all, unless a simple unique 12th fret inlay is suggested (perhaps the JCL logo and leave the headstock blank)
Interesting rosette maybe wood, Herringbone or mosaic as already suggested by a few (again, easy on this detail)
Schaller/Gotoh tuners? (accept pings can be easily upgraded, but I feel I will be reluctant to make changes to the guitar considering its origins)
No Pick Guard please

I hope I am not out of line posting this atthis stage.  I already have stuff on ebay for sale to fund a deposit.  This is really exciting!!!!! :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: L-fan on December 05, 2008, 11:04:37 AM
Seems like JCL wants to keep this real simple.  We choose one config and he builds ten or more - we get to makes choices between 1) hog or rw back and sides, 2) between sitka and italian spruce top, and 3) between short scale or long scale.  It's not clear if he agreed to do the LS with the 4 inch deep body or the other slightly deeper body.  One thing about price - the OM-03R 12th Fret Special addition I bought this year was priced at a premium due to its added features (herringbone/squared headstock/pyramid bridge/bone saddle and nut/upgraded tuners).  It's not like I got the special addition OM-03R at the same price as a regular one - the premium I paid at the time was around $400 over what I could have gotten a regular OM-03R for.  It was worth it though!  So I hope nobody here is thinking we are going to be offered a price very close to other 03s - just stating this so we can manage our expectations when the pricing comes through.  I can see this shaping up as an Ital spruce/rosewood LS with a few nice and nonstandard unique appointments.  Very sweet!  However having recently purchased my sitka/rw special addition OM, I am not sure I can justify another spruce/rw, even if it is as special as this one is shaping up to be.  If I get an unexpected windfall, I may change my mind.  But for now, I will be trying hard to resist this temptation.   :crying:

So I guess I need to be placed on the "probably not going to buy, but may put in a last minute order" list of folks.  Keep up the great work.   :cheers


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: kaos on December 05, 2008, 11:30:26 AM
Here are my picks (but I am very flexible)

Specifications: -
LS-03 12 fret Satin finish
top:  can go either way -- Italian spruce would be nice (and expensive)
back and sides:  I prefer mahogany but will go will rosewood
standard scale

Details: -
headstock inlay -- whatever (even plain)
No fretboard markers
wood rosette
Schaller/Gotoh tuners
No Pick Guard
I like either Forum Guitar III or Trinity Forum Guitar for the label (doesn't trinity signify 3?)

mary



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 05, 2008, 12:33:17 PM
I just assumed there would be a case. Was there a case with the other forum guitar? Not to be a pain, but I pretty much expect one.

Will somone tell me what the big deal is about this IS? I'm not being sarcastic, I just don't know enough to understand the difference between the Sitka (which is standard?) and the Spruce and how one measures the cost justification. Maybe a seperate thread to explain the difference?

If a short scale adds to cost, i'd rather skip it. For me, it simply doesn't make enough of a difference to pay extra.

No pick guard.

Would LOVE a wood rosette and could see paying more for that.

Don't care about the tuners as I have a set of Gotoh/Schaller here.

Back and sides- doesn't matter but I'd not want Sapele. I know, it'sweird, but it will take me awhile, if ever to appreciate the asthetic.

Yes, if the deposit is around $100 i can swing it (after hearing the cost, of course).

Don't worry about the typo, lol.

holly



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 05, 2008, 12:48:16 PM
sorry, I had assumed the case was standard, as it is on all 03 models up.  We should maybe specify this, though.  Would you pay extra for the archtop type case?

My understanding is that Italian Spruce is similar to Adirondack, and is quite a sought after material.  It, for me anyway, would add the necessary unique touch to this guitar in a better way than a unique inlay for example.  I would assume JCL has the higher end guitars in mind for much of the stock he has.  The Sitka tops in the 03 range are good, but not special.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 05, 2008, 12:52:57 PM
So is it an Asthetic thing or does it sound different? I have no idea, really , of the difference in sound regarding different types of spruce. Can someone link pics of the difference?

I don't care what the case is, I just want a hardshell to keep it in, a plain jane is fine with me.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 05, 2008, 12:55:05 PM
Ah, the old what sounds better debate.  Pass, I am not qualified to approach such a topic.  I assume it must be better, hence it is more sought after.  It was JCL who was excited about it when (dependan?) visited the factory.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 05, 2008, 01:21:39 PM
I don't care what the case is, I just want a hardshell to keep it in, a plain jane is fine with me.

Larrivee will supply a case. They will order cases to fit the guitar...like they do every other Larrivee guitar they sell. We'll just need to decide if we want an upgrade. The archtop case was an option last time although I don't remember if it wwas an option from Larrivee or a dealer upgrade. I went with the stock case.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 02:59:35 PM
I guess it is between Sitka and Italian...

Is anybody up for a Hog Top?? :crying:

I was sold on getting a all hog guitar, since I've admired the forum guitars I and II for awhile, and I hear how great they are..

If we have to get Italian(depending on the cost...) I'd rather have a Hog back/side(assuming they are mahogany NOT SAPELE)..

If it's gonna add to cost to have the short scale(of course depending on the cost...........!!) we can skip it...

sure the pyramid bridge is nice... but I couldn't care less about the cosmetic stuff...

To me... honestly, getting the hog top is more important than any other thing... because when it comes down to guitars.. sound is really what matters :)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 05, 2008, 03:31:01 PM


Since you won't read this for hours, perhaps I can start, and then you can all tell me to shut up later:

Specifications: -
LS-03 12 fret Satin finish
I am keen on the Italian Spruce - I think this is a great way to set the guitar apart from others
EIRW back and sides (think this will compliment the Italian Spruce the best - at least visually)
standard scale (happy to go with general view on this however)

Details: -
EIRW headstock overlay
Original JCL headstock inlay
No fretboard markers at all, unless a simple unique 12th fret inlay is suggested (perhaps the JCL logo and leave the headstock blank)
Interesting rosette maybe wood, Herringbone or mosaic as already suggested by a few (again, easy on this detail)
Schaller/Gotoh tuners? (accept pings can be easily upgraded, but I feel I will be reluctant to make changes to the guitar considering its origins)
No Pick Guard please

I hope I am not out of line posting this atthis stage.  I already have stuff on ebay for sale to fund a deposit.  This is really exciting!!!!! :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar

This is exactly what I want as well. Thanks Ben!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 05, 2008, 03:35:20 PM
This is exactly what I want as well. Thanks Ben!

Sure?  I thought you said short scale previously?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 05, 2008, 03:38:08 PM
                     It's time to get a majority and order it.
   I'm fine with the Reg. or short scale, don't care about bling choices at all, Italian top is my vote. Case can be standard, etc.
                     I just want the TRUE small bodied LS model.

                          


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 05, 2008, 03:40:40 PM
                    It's time to get a majority and order it.
   I'm fine with the Reg. or short scale, don't care about bling choices at all, Italian top is my vote. Case can be standard, etc.
                     I just want the TRUE small bodied LS model.

                          

What's your back and sides preference then, since JCL has said Italian Sprice with only one B&S type?  I can put you on the list and it'll help the final consensus if you tell me.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 05, 2008, 03:41:03 PM
This is awkward, as I am sure I am posting whilst everyone else involved is sleeping.  I agree with tuffy that there are some difficult choices to be made re. selling guitars to make way.  Because fo the exchange rate, I may have to sell my D-09 to fund this, but I guess that can be replaced in the future, whereas the Forum III cannot!!

May I be so bold as to suggest that everyone who is definately in for this project list their preferences down to the fine details, and identify which things they are set on, and which things they are happy to go with the general consensus on.  Ricky has done all the hard work thus far, so perhaps it is unfair to ask him to collate all of this information into a single consensus.  Equally, this has been largley Ricky's baby, so maybe it is fair to let him see it through.  We won't know until later when you all get to read through all of this.

Since you won't read this for hours, perhaps I can start, and then you can all tell me to shut up later:

Specifications: -
LS-03 12 fret Satin finish
I am keen on the Italian Spruce - I think this is a great way to set the guitar apart from others
EIRW back and sides (think this will compliment the Italian Spruce the best - at least visually)
standard scale (happy to go with general view on this however)

Details: -
EIRW headstock overlay
Original JCL headstock inlay
No fretboard markers at all, unless a simple unique 12th fret inlay is suggested (perhaps the JCL logo and leave the headstock blank)
Interesting rosette maybe wood, Herringbone or mosaic as already suggested by a few (again, easy on this detail)
Schaller/Gotoh tuners? (accept pings can be easily upgraded, but I feel I will be reluctant to make changes to the guitar considering its origins)
No Pick Guard please

I hope I am not out of line posting this atthis stage.  I already have stuff on ebay for sale to fund a deposit.  This is really exciting!!!!! :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar

 :nanadance  Exactly plus Gotoh 510 tuners though!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 03:43:11 PM
we should take a vote on choosing the top.

bluesman67 has already posted a pole..

but what we really need to decide is whether we want for the top material: Itali/hog/sitka(red spruce?)

and then once the top is chosen.. then choose the b/s wood..


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 05, 2008, 03:45:49 PM
What's your back and sides preference then, since JCL has said Italian Sprice with only one B&S type?  I can put you on the list and it'll help the final consensus if you tell me.
                     I would take true Mahogany if it is what JCL meant. RW otherwise.

         FOR THE SAKE OF THIS LIST WE NEED TO STOP ADDING THINGS AND MOVE ON...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 05, 2008, 03:46:48 PM
we should take a vote on choosing the top.

bluesman67 has already posted a pole..

but what we really need to decide is whether we want Itali/hog/sitka(red spruce?)

and then once the top is chosen.. then choose the b/s wood..

My concern is that people will vote if they are a maybe, and potentially change the outcome for the committed.  Hence why I am trying to collect all the information without publishing it like a vote result.  I was hoping to pass it to Ricky when I run out of daytime, and he can take it from there.  He started this, and it is only fair to let him lead it through to a conclusion.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 03:48:20 PM
                     I would take true Mahogany if it is what JCL meant. RW otherwise.

         FOR THE SAKE OF THIS LIST WE NEED TO STOP ADDING THINGS AND MOVE ON...

I guess it is important to me as well to know if JCL meant REAL mahogany..


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 05, 2008, 03:49:27 PM
                     I would take true Mahogany if it is what JCL meant. RW otherwise.

         FOR THE SAKE OF THIS LIST WE NEED TO STOP ADDING THINGS AND MOVE ON...

Fair comment, but folk are logging on so far apart that it is impossible to get everyone answering the same questions Danny.  Hopefully what I have will make it easier for Ricky later.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 05, 2008, 03:50:00 PM
Sure?  I thought you said short scale previously?

I did, however I thought it over (and asked someone wiser than I am in this) with regards to it being a 12 fretter and the bridge being placed where there is more volume. If I have to pick a preference then I would pick standard scale, even though I like the feel of the short scale. The scale is not a dealbreaker for me, I just thought I would state my preference.

I'm sorry to crash the sitka and hog party, but I think an "exotic" wood top from one of Larrivee's many personal wood-hunting trips is pretty special. I like the idea of the "sweet" sounding top on a fingerstyle or light strummer. I just really hope that if Italian Spruce is the majority, we can reach a consensus and not leave anyone out in the cold.

Italian Spruce: "Recently, several European alternatives to German spruce have emerged in the American market. The first is Italian spruce and its cousin, Alpine/Italian spruce. Italian spruce is of the same species as German spruce (picea excelsa) but has a slightly flatter coloration (more of a basic white) and a more focused tone. Guitars made from this wood have a sweet, singing quality."
(LMI (http://www.lmii.com/carttwo/alttonewoods.asp))  


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 03:58:11 PM
If we go with Itali. Spruce, I am more than fine(considering the pricing is reasonable) :roll

But, I'd choose Mahogany b/s(not sapele..)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 05, 2008, 03:59:02 PM
I guess it is important to me as well to know if JCL meant REAL mahogany..

I take it to mean mahogany. He would have said Sapele if otherwise...also this is a bit of a win for the forum. I don't think they do a lot of mahogany 03s any more...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 05, 2008, 04:04:13 PM
My concern is that people will vote if they are a maybe, and potentially change the outcome for the committed.


I am a maybe...and the outcome of the final spec has an impact on whether or not I become committed. So I'll vote and provide my opinions.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 04:06:23 PM
I take it to mean mahogany. He would have said Sapele if otherwise...also this is a bit of a win for the forum. I don't think they do a lot of mahogany 03s any more...

I wonder if JCL has any of that quilted mahogany... that he used on the L&M 50th anniv. L05...  :tongue:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 05, 2008, 04:07:05 PM

I am a maybe...and the outcome of the final spec has an impact on whether or not I become committed. So I'll vote and provide my opinions.

Please only cast a vote if you are committed to your vote, and also write a message of your choice on the poll so BenF can track.  It isn't helpful to vote and not be committed, decisions need to be made based on real info. :cheers


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 04:19:02 PM
I wonder how much it is to have the short scale..??

I'd be fine with the std. scale.. but just wanted to know.. since there were a few of us who wanted this option in the first place..


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 05, 2008, 04:29:18 PM
RE:  Italian Spruce upgrade.....

According to the interview with JCL earlier in this thread he currently has 1,000 Italian Spruce tops seasoned and ready to use.  He has also acquired enough wood to do 2,000 more.  That doesn't necesssarily translate to "rare" as far as I can  see.   Our little order for 10 -20 forum guitars is a very small drop in a very large bucket;  it wouldn't even put a dent in his supply.   I can't see paying a  huge upcharge for this;  A small increase would be ok.
 
Someone mentioned that the pyramid bridge was an un-needed decorative item earlier.   I agree that it is not necessarily needed but it is more than decorative.   The added mass of the pyramid shape transfers more energy to the top which creates more vibration:   =  bigger sound
At least that's what Richard Hoover at Santa Cruz Guitars told me when he gave me a tour of his place.   It's a small difference though, I admit.

I can go along with the majority here on almost every decision:

My only deal-breakers would be as follows:

Mahogany is my choice although rosewood / Spruce would be ok.   NO SAPELE.  For another guitar perhaps it wouldn't matter so much but not for this special forum III.

No cutaway
No electronics
No abalone trim

I'd like the fretboard to be free of any markers except at the 12th.   If JCL does not want to put his JCL logo at the 12th fret then how about three simple silver or mop dots to represent the Larrivee forum guitar number 3.   ????
 
Again, I'd love to see a hot top option but it's not a deciding factor for me.

Tuffythepug



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 05, 2008, 04:40:17 PM
My only deal-breakers would be as follows:

Mahogany is my choice although rosewood / Spruce would be ok.   NO SAPELE.  For another guitar perhaps it wouldn't matter so much but not for this special forum III.

No cutaway
No electronics
No abalone trim

I'd like the fretboard to be free of any markers except at the 12th.   If JCL does not want to put his JCL logo at the 12th fret then how about three simple silver or mop dots to represent the Larrivee forum guitar number 3.   ????
 
Again, I'd love to see a hot top option but it's not a deciding factor for me.

Tuffythepug



I agree!!  Nice suggestion on the 3 dots!!  Very cool idea that is unique, subtle, classy.  I couldn't agree more on the abalone, it looks nice on other guitars but out of place here!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 04:46:44 PM


Mahogany is my choice although rosewood / Spruce would be ok.   NO SAPELE.  For another guitar perhaps it wouldn't matter so much but not for this special forum III.

No cutaway
No electronics
No abalone trim

I'd like the fretboard to be free of any markers except at the 12th.   If JCL does not want to put his JCL logo at the 12th fret then how about three simple silver or mop dots to represent the Larrivee forum guitar number 3.   ????
 
Again, I'd love to see a hot top option but it's not a deciding factor for me.

Tuffythepug




I am totally with you tuffy.

that three MOP dot on the 12th fret is a FREAKING sweet idea!!

and mahogany all the way  :winkin:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: roguegnome on December 05, 2008, 04:48:10 PM
My concern is that people will vote if they are a maybe, and potentially change the outcome for the committed.  Hence why I am trying to collect all the information without publishing it like a vote result.  I was hoping to pass it to Ricky when I run out of daytime, and he can take it from there.  He started this, and it is only fair to let him lead it through to a conclusion.
So.. you want people to commit to unknown specs and unknown price before they vote.
Do I have that just about right?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 05, 2008, 04:51:37 PM
Well, if more of you agree, why not suggest to JCL that this forum guitar III be free of fret markers except for 3 m.o.p. dots on the 12th.   Unique, simple, and appropriate for this particular guitar.

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 05, 2008, 04:53:18 PM
I have to agree with Dotneck. I see a poll as defining the choices, but asking to commit money to an unknown spec and price isn't something I can agree too. I don't think it's unreasonable to simply use the poll to determine final preference. After all isn't it a little unfair to ask those of us who need to know price and specs to sit it out if we won't pony up?

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 05, 2008, 05:06:14 PM
I have to agree with Dotneck. I see a poll as defining the choices, but asking to commit money to an unknown spec and price isn't something I can agree too. I don't think it's unreasonable to simply use the poll to determine final preference. After all isn't it a little unfair to ask those of us who need to know price and specs to sit it out if we won't pony up?

holly

Good point.  I was assuming that the final price between all poll choices would vary by less than $100 at the most, probably a little naive for me to do so.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 05, 2008, 05:41:00 PM
I am not trying to do anything underhand or awkward, I was just trying to help without taking over from Ricky.  Those who have committed though the course of this discussion to a Forum III guitar have now mostly stated their preferences, whcih I have collated and will send to Ricky.  Ricky can post this if he likes, and then people can debate it.  The problem so far is that people are reacting to every post and we go around in circles.  More people are welcome to come on board at any time, of course, but we were never going to get to a result if we kept discussing every post seperately.

I hink the reason for this is time zones, so individuals are by default jumping on different topics as the day passes.  hence why I thought I could help being on the opposite side of the clock from Ricky.  Unfortunately I have been driving home for an hour, and people have reacted during that hour.

I hope this makes sense.



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 05, 2008, 05:54:53 PM
Here is what I have thus far, I was hoping the rest could be filled in while Ricky was online whilst I am sleeping.  Nothing sinister intended, I couldn't post this from my computer at work either!  This is based on Ricky's latest list of definate buyers, and any others that have signed up today.  Shout now if you think you should be on the list.

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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 05, 2008, 06:07:13 PM
Below is what I posted on the Forum III Poll thread:

I will buy (unless really surprised by the cost) if we go with 12 fret, short scale, rw b/s, and some type of spruce top, although I would prefer the Italian spruce since this will make the guitar even more special. I am more flexible on some of the other choices being discussed, but my preferences are:

Fretboard markers -- a minimalist approach, but something, such as small dots
No, or clear, pickguard
Some type of wood or herringbone rosette, or whatever JCL thinks "fits" best.
Maple binding

Regarding the concern of a short scale that some have expressed, I think we should trust JCL. If JCL didn't think it would result in a good sounding guitar, he wouldn't do it. He is not going to put the Larrivee name on something he could not be proud of. There are certainly good 12 fret, short scale guitars out there by others. The short scale 12 fret combo also contributes to making this a special Larrivee, not to mention the increased playability due to reduced fret size and string tension  :)   My $.02.

Thx,
Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 05, 2008, 06:15:41 PM
Small note re:  the summary above:    I'm quite sure that Bluesman67 will also require that a lefty version be available.  That makes two of us unless Bhika decides to join the party and then we're up to three.

And the more I think about it the more sure I am that I'd like the three dots on the 12th fret which would be the only fret markers.   heck there would normally be 2 anyway;  just add one.  the third dot would be a good Forum Guitar III  signafier.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 05, 2008, 06:18:47 PM
Thanks Tuffy, Can ricky note that Bulesmans is an upside down one too :humour:

I agree about the inlay Tuffy - most folk have asked for something unique - I think you may have nailed it!

Apologies if I have offended anyone on here, by the way.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 06:21:01 PM
wow that's pretty good BenF.

I would also be okay with Italian spruce with Hog b/s(if real hog not sapele)

and short scale preferred(PLEASE!!). mosaic or h-bone , no inlay on finger board except 12fret 3 mop.

Forum guitar III would be nice for the label..

and I've stated earlier I couldn't careless for the pyramid bridge  :tongue:

but upgraded tuners would be nice.

Thanks for your work

Cheers

jeff


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 05, 2008, 06:54:07 PM
with reaction to the last two posts - es-335 amended and ARK included as a confident maybe

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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 05, 2008, 07:49:04 PM
You guys have done a real good job designing this guitar, I wouldn't object to anything mentioned.  If the price is right and the final specs meet my needs then I will be in. It really is all about price to me at this point.
Keep up the good work.
Just for the record I would vote for a
LS-03 12fret
Ital spruce top
Pyramid bridge
Mahogany B/S
Schaller tuners
 :nanadance 3 dots or "III" at the 12th fret  :nanadance

thanks for all your hard work
 :wave  :donut2  :donut2  :donut  :donut  :donut  :coffee  :coffee   :coffee


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 05, 2008, 09:05:47 PM
Ben and Ricky,

Go ahead and put me down as a commit for:

LS-03R Italian Forum III
Herringbone or Mossaic or something rosette
No abalone
No pickguard
No fret markers
3 Dot 12-Fret (you da'man Tuffy)
Pyramid Bridge - would be nice, especially if it's a tonal upgrade!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 05, 2008, 09:08:34 PM
I do appreciate my preference for a cash stuffed guitar being duly noted. I'm interested to see what comes up because it needs to be special but not way over the 03 price. But not so 03 that there's nothing special about it. I am so into a wood rosette. I have enough (hahahahahhaaa) guitars that it needs to be something unique to justify the purchase and probably selling of another.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 05, 2008, 10:10:28 PM
It is 10pm here now, so 'll be snoozing soon.  Ricky should be on later to pick up where I left off -

May I be so bold as to summarise.

It is my opinion that we have a good chance to get 10-15 people signed up if it is: -

Italian Spruce top
EIRW Back and Sides
LS-03 body shape - scale length still to be decided upon (i don't think anyone is dependent on this issue, but ther are preferences for both)
No fret markers
12th fret three MOP dots or roman numerals III to indicate Forum Guitar III (many thanks to T the P)
no sea creatures
interesting rosette - strong support for wood, also support for herringbone or mosaic
pyramid bridge is a popular choice
Minimalistic headstock, perhaps with EIRW overlay
Maple binding
Name FORUM GUITAR III

A number of people are keen on Hog only, but I think less than 10 at the moment.  I think the poll was useful in that regard.  If that number goes up, we may have to reconsider.

Thanks for all your help

Ben

 :donut :donut2 :coffee


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 05, 2008, 10:28:45 PM
It is 10pm here now, so 'll be snoozing soon.  Ricky should be on later to pick up where I left off -

May I be so bold as to summarise.

It is my opinion that we have a good chance to get 10-15 people signed up if it is: -

Italian Spruce top
EIRW Back and Sides
LS-03 body shape - scale length still to be decided upon (i don't think anyone is dependent on this issue, but there are preferences for both)
No fret markers
12th fret three MOP dots or roman numerals III to indicate Forum Guitar III (many thanks to T the P)
no sea creatures
interesting rosette - strong support for wood, also support for herringbone or mosaic
pyramid bridge is a popular choice
Minimalistic headstock, perhaps with EIRW overlay
Maple binding
Name FORUM GUITAR III

A number of people are keen on Hog only, but I think less than 10 at the moment.  I think the poll was useful in that regard.  If that number goes up, we may have to reconsider.

Thanks for all your help

Ben

 

I'm sorry , but a short scale is a definite requirement for me. I understand the majority may well decide otherwise.
Thx,
Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 05, 2008, 10:47:44 PM
Ben... thanks so much for the summary & all the hard work. Good night!

I'm still on p. 15 - not even reading word for word, but skimming over the overwhelming number of responses.

Jim Holler is still awaiting prices. Hopefully later this afternoon, which already is in the east coast.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 05, 2008, 10:59:28 PM
Regarding the concern of a short scale that some have expressed, I think we should trust JCL. If JCL didn't think it would result in a good sounding guitar, he wouldn't do it. He is not going to put the Larrivee name on something he could not be proud of. There are certainly good 12 fret, short scale guitars out there by others. The short scale 12 fret combo also contributes to making this a special Larrivee, not to mention the increased playability due to reduced fret size and string tension  :)   My $.02.

Al, I was thinking about the SCALE spec (short or reg) question. I agree with you, that JCL would not offer the short scale as an added cost if he thought it was a bad idea.

Question: Is short scale okay for alternate tunings?  This is too technical for me to understand.


If we go with short scale: (1) I hope this is not a deal breaker for committed ones. (2) Sound quality assured. (3) Alternate Tunning question - someone please answer.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 11:15:37 PM

Question: Is short scale okay for alternate tunings?  This is too technical for me to understand.


If we go with short scale: (1) I hope this is not a deal breaker for committed ones. (2) Sound quality assured. (3) Alternate Tunning question - someone please answer.

ricky

Short scale PLEASE!!!
1) I hope every body is okay with the short scale..  :nanadance if not please comment your opinion...

2) sound quality won't change due to the short scale:)

3) of course alternate tuning will work with short scale as well!


I am OKAY(still wish there was a MT option  :crying:) with not having the hog top(following the majority..) but is there any chance of getting a HOG back/side??


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 05, 2008, 11:16:22 PM
Al, I was thinking about the SCALE spec (short or reg) question. I agree with you, that JCL would not offer the short scale as an added cost if he thought it was a bad idea.

Question: Is short scale okay for alternate tunings?  This is too technical for me to understand.


If we go with short scale: (1) I hope this is not a deal breaker for committed ones. (2) Sound quality assured. (3) Alternate Tuning question - someone please answer.

Ricky

Ricky,

Regarding scale length, I am sure like with everything else, there are some tradeoffs. Perhaps an expert like Jim Holler would be willing to comment on the LS 12 fret short scale option we are considering. I know there are very good 12 fret, short scale guitars out there, like the Collings 00-2H, for example.
Thx,
Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 11:22:10 PM
I know there are very good 12 fret, short scale guitars out there, like the Collings 00-2H, for example.

how about larrivee parlors?? 12fret, short scale!! , bunch of scgc are 12fret, short scale..

and not 12fret joint.. but gibson L-00, J-45, hummingbird are great examples of short scale guitars!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 05, 2008, 11:22:33 PM
I am beginning to think that if we could sort everything as a standard, except for the back and sides, and put it to JCL that we want, say 6 EIRW and 5 HOG, then it might be worth trying.  The rest, i.e. Italian Spruce, short scale, no sea monsters, pyramid bridge, three mop dots or roman numerals (need to firm that one up) seem to be things we can all agree on or at least live with.

What does everyone else think about this?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 05, 2008, 11:33:37 PM
                                                                  JUST DO IT  :thumbsup

                                                                               :guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 11:34:48 PM
I am beginning to think that if we could sort everything as a standard, except for the back and sides, and put it to JCL that we want, say 6 EIRW and 5 HOG, then it might be worth trying.  The rest, i.e. Italian Spruce, short scale, no sea monsters, pyramid bridge, three mop dots or roman numerals (need to firm that one up) seem to be things we can all agree on or at least live with.

What does everyone else think about this?

that sounds good.

*  Italian Spruce top (More likely to be the one!! :nanadance)
*  1 3/4" bone nut ??
*  Hopefully upgraded tuners??
*  3 micro-dot markers at 12fret??
*  scale length ??  
*  tortoiseshell pickguard ??
*  RW or HOG back & sides??
*  ebony pyramid  bridge??
*  bone nut & saddle ??
*  maple body binding ??

I just jot down the specs that we need to make decisions on...

is there any more things that we need to think of??


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 05, 2008, 11:36:44 PM
Shall we bite the bullet and start a new thread then for definite buyers, with one choice, HOG or EIRW, with all posts with questions etc. reverted to this thread again?  Ricky, Danny, i'll wait for your approval first.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 11:39:21 PM
I don't think we should start another thread.. since this Randy posted as a sticky.. :)

more threads -> more confusion  :roll


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 05, 2008, 11:40:50 PM
I don't think we should start another thread.. since this Randy posted as a sticky.. :)

more threads -> more confusion  :roll

I think it is going to be more confusing if we don't.  Why don't we go for it, and ask Randy to sticky it instead of this one when he's next on


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 05, 2008, 11:45:05 PM
Shall we bite the bullet and start a new thread then for definite buyers, with one choice, HOG or EIRW, with all posts with questions etc. reverted to this thread again?  Ricky, Danny, i'll wait for your approval first.

Ben, I thought the Poll is clear, or am I missing something?    Ital, RW is the runaway winner.

JCL according to Jim Holler is not giving us much choice in guitar production of Forum Git -

For additional cost: if we go with (1) Ital Spruce AND (2) Short Scale ==> ALL Forum Git will be = LS, Ital Spruce, RW, 12Fret, Short Scale.

Am I being too simplistic? I really do want to accommodate everyone if I had my way. I'm just going with the results.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 11:47:05 PM
Ben, I thought the Poll is clear, or am I missing something?    Ital, RW is the runaway winner.

JCL according to Jim Holler is not giving us much choice in guitar production of Forum Git -

For additional cost: if we go with (1) Ital Spruce AND (2) Short Scale ==> ALL Forum Git will be = LS, Ital Spruce, RW, 12Fret, Short Scale.

Am I being too simplistic? I really do want to accommodate everyone if I had my way. I'm just going with the results.

ricky


the pole is pretty good but People who chose HOG top/side/back.. could switch to Italian / hog.. too..

the pole should ask.. Okay.. we are going with italian..

what back/side wood do you want..?


and we should decide on smaller specs as well..

*  1 3/4" bone nut ??
*  Hopefully upgraded tuners??
*  3 micro-dot markers at 12fret??
*  scale length ?? 
*  tortoiseshell pickguard ??
*  RW or HOG back & sides??
*  ebony pyramid  bridge??
*  bone nut & saddle ??
*  maple body binding ??



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 05, 2008, 11:48:19 PM
Not to be a nit-picker here but I know several potential buyers who would prefer not to have a pickguard on their forum III guitar;   I think we should ask that the pg be included in the case so we can elect to leave the guitar bare or install the pg at our discretion

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 05, 2008, 11:48:39 PM
Shall we bite the bullet and start a new thread then for definite buyers, with one choice, HOG or EIRW, with all posts with questions etc. reverted to this thread again?  Ricky, Danny, i'll wait for your approval first.
                 There is no need for a new thread. Just a need to realize that we can hold endless discussion about the specs. And I really see no need for continual additions.
                #1 a LS is special all by itself
                   2 It is a forum guitar and will have a label saying so
                   3 The Italian spruce adds a very nice touch, as many have agreed
                   4 All the detailed specs. will have to be approve/finalized by the Dealer and JCL

               Therefore, we can move forward with a consensus as soon as price and a few specs. are approved.
         Here is where we can fall apart with opinions and dissension or wait with the happy thought that this is
         real and we have the goal in our sites. So hang on to all your anxieties and wait a little while for the facts
         to come forth from Jim Holler and JCL.



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 05, 2008, 11:50:04 PM
Ben, I thought the Poll is clear, or am I missing something?    Ital, RW is the runaway winner.

JCL according to Jim Holler is not giving us much choice in guitar production of Forum Git -

For additional cost: if we go with (1) Ital Spruce AND (2) Short Scale ==> ALL Forum Git will be = LS, Ital Spruce, RW, 12Fret, Short Scale.

Am I being too simplistic? I really do want to accommodate everyone if I had my way. I'm just going with the results.

ricky

I'm conerned that the EIRW will be the breaker for too many, and that we have almost complete agreement on everything else.  I kind of agree with what you say, but am resisting the temptation to jump to that conclusion mainly because it is my own preference, and I am conscious of not wanting to inflict bias.  That make sense?  I think we would get to 10 if we settled on EIRW.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 05, 2008, 11:52:04 PM
Let me know if I should unsticky this thread. Start anothger thread if you want and I'll sticky it.

deleted comment on short scale.**


Also, this is moving fast. When Forum I was done, a number people claimed they would have jumped on the opportunity to buy one, but were busy and missed the final notice to get their money in.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 05, 2008, 11:54:17 PM
Let me know if I should unsticky this thread. Start anothger thread if you want and I'll sticky it.

My thought on short scale 12 fret. I don't think Larrivee has ever done one other than the parlor, and there may be hesitation to try something new on us that hasn't gone thru a lot of in-house testing first.



I understand that JCL has already agreed to that option, provided they are all the same spec, but that it would add $$$.  Is the LSV std scale length?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 05, 2008, 11:55:37 PM
Let me know if I should unsticky this thread. Start anothger thread if you want and I'll sticky it.

My thought on short scale 12 fret. I don't think Larrivee has ever done one other than the parlor, and there may be hesitation to try something new on us that hasn't gone thru a lot of in-house testing first.

Randy, JCL is offering the short scale as an extra-cost spec.     I don't suppose JCL or Jim may be showing some hesitation... apparently Santa Cruz & other guitar makers do 12-fret SS all the time?

Don't unsticky this one yet, please, until we're clear where we're going. The PRICE is still the biggest unanswered question.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 05, 2008, 11:56:08 PM
Hog is too pretty important to me....   :thumb

is there not even a small chance that JCL would do 10 RW and 5hog or something like that..??

and what is EIRW??

i know it is E..... Indian RoseWood... but what does E mean?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 05, 2008, 11:57:10 PM
Hog is too pretty important to me....   :thumb

is there not even a small chance JCL would do 10 RW and 5hog or something like that..??

and what is EIRW??

i know it is E..... Indian RoseWood... but what does E mean?

East


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 06, 2008, 12:02:05 AM
Randy, JCL is offering the short scale as an extra-cost spec.     I don't suppose JCL or Jim may be showing some hesitation... apparently Santa Cruz & other guitar makers do 12-fret SS all the time?

Don't unsticky this one yet, please, until we're clear where we're going. The PRICE is still the biggest unanswered question.

ricky
  Ditto,  and we need input from Randy and other long time, knowledgeable members.
         


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 06, 2008, 12:04:28 AM
Can anyone PLEASE explain what 'extra cost' means in real MONEY words? Extra $25? Extra $80? I don't mean to sound short but it's really hard to make any decision with this sort of vague 'extra' floating around. I'm not even asking for a specific, just a ballpark.

More importantly, are these 'extras' something that we have to settle on for ALL guitars? I can't see him pulling one and going "Ok, short scale here....12 fret there..."

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 06, 2008, 12:07:39 AM
I'm conerned that the EIRW will be the breaker for too many, and that we have almost complete agreement on everything else.  I kind of agree with what you say, but am resisting the temptation to jump to that conclusion mainly because it is my own preference, and I am conscious of not wanting to inflict bias.  That make sense?  I think we would get to 10 if we settled on EIRW.

So if the price increase if we go Italian and Short Scale is way too prohibitive for many (including me)...

In other words, it would look like this:

(1) Ital, EIRW, short scale   = if Price is affordable   OTHERWISE        Ital, RW, Regular Scale

if (1) are both NO, then

(2) RegSpruce, RW      again the scale question

There should not even be any mention of Mahogany anything because there's not enough hog-people. Other hog-fans did say they will settle for EIRW if hog not a go.

You're right, we still have enough people for Rosewood.  Until we reach a minimum of 10 for Mahogany, then we bring it to Jim again.



Only questions now are 2 items     ==>     (1) Ital  and (2) Short scale  =   IF both PROHIBITIVE COSTS    THEN    we go:   SpruceTop w RW b&s

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 06, 2008, 12:11:49 AM
fair enough,

so if we get 10 people for HOG, it is a possibility...??

So, is there anybody hog will be a deal breaker??

or should we not even bother getting 10 people for hog b/s

I'll be #1 to sign up for hog.... let see how many of us there are..

In the pole thread 3 people voted for All hog.. if those 3 are willing to change to Itali/hog that makes 8....  :guitar
plus the one who voted sitka/hog..

that makes 9


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 06, 2008, 12:12:47 AM
Can anyone PLEASE explain what 'extra cost' means in real MONEY words? Extra $25? Extra $80? I don't mean to sound short but it's really hard to make any decision with this sort of vague 'extra' floating around. I'm not even asking for a specific, just a ballpark.

More importantly, are these 'extras' something that we have to settle on for ALL guitars? I can't see him pulling one and going "Ok, short scale here....12 fret there..."

holly
I dunno about ballpark figure... anywhere from 200-400 extra for each feature?  But I hope, if 1000 is reg woods & reg scale, maybe 1500 is Ital & short scale? Naive wish.

From Jim Holler's message... JCL will need a uniform spec for ALL guitars, yes!

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 06, 2008, 12:13:48 AM
Maybe I'm a little naive, but I can't imagine the upcharge for Italian to be very much.  Short-scale may be another story completely though.  I hope we get pricing soon before I explode.  :wacko:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 06, 2008, 12:15:57 AM
so if we get 10 people for HOG, it is a possibility...??
Yes, but only a possibility until JCL says "Yes" to a SECOND BATCH for Hog.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 06, 2008, 12:17:13 AM
I am thrilled to go with that.  I need to sleep soon, it's after midnight and the kids'll be up at 6!!  This is extre unique for me because I am overseas, and I very much doubt there will be another in the UK for a long time, so if I need to sell up the lot and replace them later, I will.  The D-09 is going first, so I hope that covers it, or i'll be guitarless in the short term.

I think we need to also carry Tuffy's 12th fret inlay forward inspired idea.  Either three mop dots, or mop roman numerals III.  Brilliant simple suggestion.  Pyramid bridge seems popular, and no abalone seems also to be the majority call.  It is my opinion we should now revert to Jim to take the specs to Ricky with the big R.

So

Italian Spruce top
EIRW back and sides
short scale
12th fret inlay
no fret board markers
no pick guard (but can maybe be supplied as seperate item at extra cost)
no fret board markers
no sea monsters, but ideally not the std 03 rosette either
pyramid ebony bridge
maple binding
stuffed with cash

Jim has offered to do bone saddle upgrade for us.

Done


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 06, 2008, 12:17:48 AM
I dunno about ballpark figure... anywhere from 200-400 extra for each feature?  But I hope, if 1000 is reg woods & reg scale, maybe 1500 is Ital & short scale? Naive wish.

From Jim Holler's message... JCL will need a uniform spec for ALL guitars, yes!

ricky
Still should stay in the 03 price range though, 1500 is too high.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 06, 2008, 12:19:51 AM
If a short scale adds THAT much then I have to think hard. At this point I'm going to wait for some real numbers.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 06, 2008, 12:20:55 AM
I am thrilled to go with that.  I need to sleep soon, it's after midnight and the kids'll be up at 6!!  This is extre unique for me because I am overseas, and I very much doubt there will be another in the UK for a long time, so if I need to sell up the lot and replace them later, I will.  The D-09 is going first, so I hope that covers it, or i'll be guitarless in the short term.

I think we need to also carry Tuffy's 12th fret inlay forward inspired idea.  Either three mop dots, or mop roman numerals III.  Brilliant simple suggestion.  Pyramid bridge seems popular, and no abalone seems also to be the majority call.  It is my opinion we should now revert to Jim to take the specs to Ricky with the big R.

So

Italian Spruce top
EIRW back and sides
short scale
12th fret inlay
no fret board markers
no pick guard (but can maybe be supplied as seperate item at extra cost)
no fret board markers
no sea monsters, but ideally not the std 03 rosette either
pyramid ebony bridge
maple binding
stuffed with cash

Jim has offered to do bone saddle upgrade for us.

Done

Noted with thanks!   Go to sleep my friend.   Let's wait for Jim Holler's next PM with the price.

Good night everyone!....... Yes, let's all get some sleep now, boys and girls.  :humour:

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 06, 2008, 12:21:53 AM
Still should stay in the 03 price range though, 1500 is too high.

Good, I've had 1500 in mind as my best guess for a while, but quietly hoped it would be less, and certainly no more.  That currently equates to £1000, plus £90 shipping, plus £300 customs = one 6 month old mint D-09 + a small christmas present on the button!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 06, 2008, 12:25:01 AM
night night

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 :wave


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 06, 2008, 12:26:40 AM
25 people voted in the pole thread.

do we have actually 25 people on the list???

or is there somebody else voting..?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 06, 2008, 12:36:28 AM
is it okay to make another thread to see how many committed people are for hog..????


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 06, 2008, 12:43:17 AM
is it okay to make another thread to see how many committed people are for hog..????

Jeff, may I suggest you PM or identify the people who are HOG only?    Like Mary, she switched from RW to Hog only or it's a deal breaker for her.

Danny for example prefers Hog, but will settle for RW - so it's not a deal breaker for him.



Count the Hog-only folks until you get 10. I hesitate to recommend starting a Hog Only Thread - to avoid confusion. But OK if you come up with Solid Total.
But the question still remains: if there's 10 Hog, will JCL       DO A 2ND BATCH FOR HOG?

I really should count the apparent choice according to the Poll and see if we can update our list and submit to Jim.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 06, 2008, 12:46:36 AM
Yes, but only a possibility until JCL says "Yes" to a SECOND BATCH for Hog.

ricky

We have a proposed spec that got more or less voted in. Let's try to get that approved as a solid spec with commitment from REAL buyers and decide on the scale when we get the pricing. AFTER that, we should talk about adding an additional spec for the pork-lovers. :) Personally, with the Italian Spruce, I'd like my guitar Kosher (RW).   :humour:

(Apologies to my Jewish friends)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 06, 2008, 12:56:03 AM
We have a proposed spec that got more or less voted in. Let's try to get that approved as a solid spec with commitment from REAL buyers and decide on the scale when we get the pricing.


                     DITTO......        There is a little word that helps us now.  Simplicity


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 06, 2008, 12:56:39 AM
Yes, let's all be simple.  Oh, wait....


holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 06, 2008, 01:01:32 AM
Yes, let's all be simple.  Oh, wait....


holly

I'm way ahead on the "simple" tonight. I'm on vacation from this point so I'm sitting on my a$$ watching a movie with the dog and drinking wine from a box. Classy.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 06, 2008, 01:03:46 AM
Until JCL approves the idea of 2nd batch for Hog b/s...

I won't say much.. :)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 06, 2008, 01:09:47 AM
Bluesman67 I don't think you are naive about the pricing.  If you are then I'm guilty as well.   I know that they will want more for the short scale and the Ital. Sp. top....that's a given.  but keep in mind that JCL has enough Ital. sp. right now for 1,000 guitar tops.  He has purchased enough to do 2,000 more.    I'd expect a little bit of a break in price when we are ordering a fair quantity on one special order as opposed to a one-off custom order for 1 person.  This could be the perfect launching pad for marketing a new line of Ital. Spruce Tops on some of the other production guitars. We know he's looking for a good reason to use those things.    If anyone from Larrivee is monitoring this discussion...keep that in mind when you work up your price for us.  I can't believe the up-charge should exceed $100 to $150 for this upgrade alone.  
The short scale is more of an engineering and labor cost factor than it is a "material" upgrade so it's gonna depend largely on how many we order so they can streamline this special build.  Again, I'd expect another $100 or so per guitar for this request.   All other "special things" that we have requested such as pyramid bridges, bone nuts, special inlays,   hmmmmmm add another $100.
So my guess is that we're looking at a guitar per our specs to be about $1,350 to $1,400.
Of course, this is all total guesswork.  I just hope I'm not too far off.  I know there is a price-point at which we will lose buyers.    

Tuffythepug

  


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 06, 2008, 01:10:45 AM
Until JCL approves the idea of 2nd batch for Hog b/s...

I won't say much.. :)
:roll


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 06, 2008, 01:14:11 AM
 :roll :roll :roll :roll

Too bad JCL didn't offer Maple B/S..  :bgrin:



Welp........ I am off to watch my hockey game..!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 06, 2008, 01:16:45 AM
Tuffy, Danny & others who are more technical than me...

I thought of the bracing inside. Is there a superior bracing material (like Adirondack for instance?) and what's the diff between

Symmetrical... versus Forward Shifted Symmetrical  ===>   If bracing is like the engine of the car, shouldn't we pay attention to this also? Or is that JCL's job?

Enlighten me please. ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 06, 2008, 01:18:04 AM
The up charge for Rosewood is about $150 so you could help out on the cost by choosing Mahogany. Plus we all no "Larrivee knows how to do Mahogany"


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 06, 2008, 01:25:56 AM
 :cheers
The up charge for Rosewood is about $150 so you could help out on the cost by chosing Mahogany. Plus we all no "Larrivee knows how to do Mahogany"

 :cheers




Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 06, 2008, 01:26:26 AM
Can anyone PLEASE explain what 'extra cost' means in real MONEY words? Extra $25? Extra $80? I don't mean to sound short but it's really hard to make any decision with this sort of vague 'extra' floating around. I'm not even asking for a specific, just a ballpark.

No, I don't think anybody can explain what extra cost means on this project....because we haven't gotten any prices from Larrivee.

And don't forget...the forum rules prohibit pricing discussions anyway....when the prices come in they will have to be e-mailed or PMed. Its a silly rule but thats the forum rules...and how we did it last time.

BTW...its getting pretty entertaining to watch everybody bicker about their favorite options....


  :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 06, 2008, 01:28:12 AM
Ricky
I'd let JCL provide the bracing, probably forward shifted symmetrical as per his usual, so that we end up getting a true Larrivee  sound in the end.  After all, this is why we all love our Larrivees.  We've fallen for the sound, look and feel.    The tonal differences in bracing patterns are small but very real.   I think when it comes to how this guitar is going to sound we should leave it to the one who's name will be on the label.   Just my thoughts.    But you asked for some technical info. as well and I'm not the guy for that. Someone like Jeremy3220 should weigh in on that.  Or others who have expertise in that particular arena.  

by the way... if the upcharge for rosewood is $150 I'd definitely vote for Ital / hog.
  

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 06, 2008, 01:30:42 AM
Ricky
I'd let JCL provide the bracing, probably forward shifted symmetrical as per his usual, so that we end up getting a true Larrivee  sound in the end.  After all, this is why we all love our Larrivees.  We've fallen for the sound, look and feel.    The tonal differences in bracing patterns are small but very real.   I think when it comes to how this guitar is going to sound we should leave it to the one who's name will be on the label.   Just my thoughts.    But you asked for some technical info. as well and I'm not the guy for that. Someone like Jeremy3220 should weigh in on that.  Or others who have expertise in that particular arena.  

by the way... if the upcharge for rosewood is $150 I'd definitely vote for Ital / hog.
  

Tuffythepug

I agree.. JCL knows the best.. I am not too worried about the bracing stuff.. I just wish the braces are thin....... :)

and Tuffy..  :cheers to you for supportin hog......!!


and regarding the pricing on short scale..

I don't think it'd add so much more $$.. since it's not like using more material...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 06, 2008, 01:36:47 AM
by the way... if the upcharge for rosewood is $150 I'd definitely vote for Ital / hog.
Tuffythepug

Tuffy, but there's NO upcharge for rosewood.  :? ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: L-fan on December 06, 2008, 01:47:51 AM
No, I don't think anybody can explain what extra cost means on this project....because we haven't gotten any prices from Larrivee.

And don't forget...the forum rules prohibit pricing discussions anyway....when the prices come in they will have to be e-mailed or PMed. Its a silly rule but thats the forum rules...and how we did it last time.
snip

If this is the case this time as well, can I please be put on the list to receive the prices/options via email or PM?  Even though I am not now planning on participating, I would like all the facts before I make up my mind with finality.   


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 06, 2008, 01:53:53 AM
Tuffy, but there's NO upcharge for rosewood.  :? ricky

It's a possibility that there could be an upcharge for RW...

according to the list price on larrivee.com

OM-03 and OM-03R -> $150 difference..

L-03 and L-03R -> the same thing..


I guess that is something you could ask Jim for us:)
L-05 and L-09 -> more $$ difference than the L-03 and L-03R case..


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 06, 2008, 01:55:29 AM
Tuffy, but there's NO upcharge for rosewood.  :? ricky
Hog is only offered in the 05 and up now. Sapele is what the 03 is made of. And no one wanted Sapele.
                                              So Mahogany and RW have a balance it seems.
                The bracing will be sitka spruce and be placed similar to a 00. Unless JCL has some different thoughts.
  I like the way the 00-09 is braced and as has been stated much earlier a regular scale 12 fret would be a bit louder.
  So it has its trade offs...short or long. I'm not expressing preference and may not be saying this stuff exactly right.
  (But I'm sure I'll be corrected soon) :blush:

                           But one thing I know as Tuffy said JCL will build it right. No worries mate :thumbsup


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 06, 2008, 01:58:10 AM
It's a possibility that there could be an upcharge for RW...

according to the list price on larrivee.com

OM-03 and OM-03R -> $150 difference..

L-03 and L-03R -> the same thing..


I guess that is something you could ask Jim for us:)
L-05 and L-09 -> more $$ difference than the L-03 and L-03R case..
  It is possible that "the sky is falling"         Good night.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 06, 2008, 02:07:27 AM
There isn't an upcharge for roswood.  Both rosewood and mahogany both are valued higher than sapele.  The price difference between sapele and rosewood is $150, not sapele and mahogany.

Is there any way price can be discussed on the forum for this project?  Seems more difficult to not do so?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 06, 2008, 02:25:41 AM

(http://www.milburnguitars.com/spalted.gif)

Absolutely gorgeous rosette... and I thought I love abalone.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 06, 2008, 02:28:03 AM
Is there any way price can be discussed on the forum for this project?  Seems more difficult to not do so?

I think at this time its okay to discuss what we think the price will be...because nobody really knows. But once the price is set we won't be allowed to discuss it. Unless the moderators tell us different.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 06, 2008, 02:29:11 AM
Time to update the LIST.

I need to add Tuffy in the $ list.

I need to correct my typing or misreading Holly's userid - "strawintogold" vs. strawingold.   Thanks for the one who PMed me regarding this - you know who you are.
Holly, for $100 Deposit you're in? Otherwise, no?

Anyone else I need to add to the list?

I hear Jim is upbeat about the Forum Git -  that's always good. No news from JCL yet.

Warmly - though it's freezing up here!

G'nite. ricky

Ricky,

Please add me, but the wood choice will make the final decision for me.

Thanks,

Lynda


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 06, 2008, 02:48:58 AM
Ok, I am now 17 pages into this thread and getting more confused by the minute.

Folks, I am a newbie, so stuff like fret markers are still important to me. Using the minimalist approach would be fine, but no fret markers would dump me out of the running.

Don't care about a pick guard.
 
An exotic wood or mosaic rosette would be really nice, but abalone would be fine too. I just don't want the standard boring rosette.

Short scale would be great as I am having a blast playing my parlor, but if not, that's fine too.

For me, the stuff that matters is the wood. My choice is Rosewood with either Sitka (I think that was a choice) or Ital.

Lynda


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 06, 2008, 03:11:36 AM
Lynda,

I'll add you on the LI$T... and I agree with you on the rosette. ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 06, 2008, 03:14:48 AM
Ok, I am now 17 pages into this thread and getting more confused by the minute.

Folks, I am a newbie, so stuff like fret markers are still important to me. Using the minimalist approach would be fine, but no fret markers would dump me out of the running.

Don't care about a pick guard.
 
An exotic wood or mosaic rosette would be really nice, but abalone would be fine too. I just don't want the standard boring rosette.

Short scale would be great as I am having a blast playing my parlor, but if not, that's fine too.

For me, the stuff that matters is the wood. My choice is Rosewood with either Sitka (I think that was a choice) or Ital.

Lynda

Maybe this will help Lynda.  There will still be fret markers on the binding, just not on the frets themselves.  I rely on the markers as well when I play, and I have played ...conicidentally...an LS without the markers on the frets but with markers on the bindings and it was fine.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 06, 2008, 03:17:07 AM
Lynda
Don't want to lose your support over fret marker issue.    Please remember that we are talking about the microdots on the surface of the fretboard itself.   There would still be side markers on the edge of the fretboard for your reference as normal.   I think you're placing too much emphasis on this.   The Larrivee microdots are so small they are not a big help anyhow most of the time.
Just for your consideration.   :smile:

I see that Joseph has covered this as I was typing.  well, here's my take on it anyway.

tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 06, 2008, 03:20:38 AM
Hey, how about Brazilian Rosewood with the Italian Spruce !

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.00


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 06, 2008, 03:21:25 AM
Hey, how about Brazilian Rosewood with the Italian Spruce !

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.00

If you're buying the wood, I'll buy the beer.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 06, 2008, 03:21:58 AM
 I like the way the 00-09 is braced and as has been stated much earlier a regular scale 12 fret would be a bit louder.

Hay Yay Yay !!! I like my small guitars LOUD.  If Reg Scale is louder, my vote is RegScale.   Can someone enlighten me on the SHORT SCALE - I thought it's just easier to bend strings (which I don't do).

Remember folks, didn't we want a guitar that will make BOTH the Fingerstyle & Strummer happy (read "satisfied"?)   :? ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 06, 2008, 03:25:48 AM
Ok, I am now 17 pages into this thread and getting more confused by the minute.

Folks, I am a newbie, so stuff like fret markers are still important to me. Using the minimalist approach would be fine, but no fret markers would dump me out of the running.

Don't care about a pick guard.
 
An exotic wood or mosaic rosette would be really nice, but abalone would be fine too. I just don't want the standard boring rosette.

Short scale would be great as I am having a blast playing my parlor, but if not, that's fine too.

For me, the stuff that matters is the wood. My choice is Rosewood with either Sitka (I think that was a choice) or Ital.

Lynda
  You would still have the markers on the neck binding so you could see them. A lot of the confusion is unnecessary at this point. But it seems to be inevitable. If the intire thread was followed a lot of the ups and downs and side trips and rabbit trails have been searched through and dispensed with. But we have still had a lot of good ground covered very quickly. We will have the project finalized soon. Price and a minimum of items left to be decided.
                       Then would be a good time for all the remaining issues to be clarified. Some things do seem to mislead though, like no fret markers. The intention is to only not have them on the fretboard front not the top edge of the neck. Maple trim seems to be a standard for Larrivee, yet the ?'s come up about that as well. If it is standard on a 03 series, then it should be the same or upgaded for our forum LS. That is a safe assumption.
                       Beyond that we continue to just not know at this moment in time. We will soon though.

well I see I am late to answer also.... :blush:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 06, 2008, 03:28:27 AM
Hay Yay Yay !!! I like my small guitars LOUD.  If Reg Scale is louder, my vote is RegScale.   Can someone enlighten me on the SHORT SCALE - I thought it's just easier to bend strings (which I don't do).

Remember folks, didn't we want a guitar that will make BOTH the Fingerstyle & Strummer happy (read "satisfied"?)   :? ricky

  I'll find the earlier posts, I think it was LawDog.... that posted it.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 06, 2008, 03:32:22 AM
Hey, how about Brazilian Rosewood with the Italian Spruce !

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.00

If Brazilian Italian for $2000 USD, then I'd do all I can to sell my Taylor and some...   it would have to be glossy though & loaded with bling. 

Maybe 2-3 years from now?    It would have to be LSV-19 BRI ...... :bgrin: ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 06, 2008, 03:40:52 AM
hmm short scale doesn't mean, smaller sound...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apWm5lRkejM

gibson LG2.. very powerful..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d49m6G9vOrI

gibson J50..

both short scale.. but 14fret joint..

I am sorry to post only gibson guitars... but these are only samples i could find.. :tongue:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 06, 2008, 03:45:06 AM
  Here is a little bit about 12 fret short and regular scale.

"That is what sounds good to me, though would like to see -03 with abalone ring (like the 12th fret limiteds).  I do think 12 fret shortscale is overkill, but would not make me out of the game.  I think 12 fret standard scale is better (that is the original Martin set up - not to be a purist, but idea of a 12 fret is extra power by bridge placement...so short scale kills some of that intent)."

"LS-03 sounds great to me.  Tell me when to drop deposit!  Rosewood or mahogany would be great (please not sapele....please!) for price concerns; probably +1 on hog.  Italian top and abalone rosette would be my preferred extras...but that is it.  Short or long scale is no bother, but I hold to my earlier post that long scale would be better for tone on these specs."

                                        This was from LawDogStringsAttach  earlier posts




Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 06, 2008, 04:14:21 AM
Lynda
Don't want to lose your support over fret marker issue. Please remember that we are talking about the microdots on the surface of the fretboard itself.

I think no fret markers is classy.

Three microdots on the 12th fret would be okay (I suppose) but I think I may be the only one to say I don't really care for them. And I think thee roman numeral "I" would look silly. And I'm not sure JCL would do that without another upcharge....


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 06, 2008, 04:22:38 AM
   
These were the specs from a Jan 1, 1997 catalog:
Larrivée Small Body & Small Cutaway Guitars (designated LS and CS)
  15" lower bout
  11" upper bout
  9 3/4" waiste
  19 1/2" length
  4" maximum depth
  25 1/2" scale

mary
This is the specs we need (or less, not greater for sure).  Thanks Mary

           HERE IS A LINK WHERE IN THE 1ST THREAD TADOL SHOWED PICS OF A LS and 00 WITH AN OM.
                            http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=23989.msg211184#msg211184

     This was posted in the other thread still open on these matters, and this should be read and seen by all who are interested in the Forum guitar. It will help you understand the size we are shooting for.
      If it is a 12 fret short scale (which is fine by me) I believe the neck will be short itself, like the Parlor. Regular scale 12 fret would be the same as a 00-09. If this is true, I lean towards the regular scale. Still, I don't care which way we go. Both end up being very cool to me. :guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 06, 2008, 04:42:24 AM
I think no fret markers is classy.

Three microdots on the 12th fret would be okay (I suppose) but I think I may be the only one to say I don't really care for them. And I think thee roman numeral "I" would look silly. And I'm not sure JCL would do that without another upcharge....
                       Dotneck... Heh man are you on board to get one of these? That's great if you are, so many posts so fast on this subject, that things get blurry. Anyway I would think you would like a 3 DOTNECK :winkin:
                                   Sorry, Dotneck, it's late and I couldn't resist.

         But I don't care if there are any fretboard markers at all. Even the headstock in EIR with no logo is fine. Something about a simple nice guitar seems very appealing to me. Let it's sound be the bling. The LS shape in itself is enough to set it apart from the crowd. (looks kinda like a small sloped dred) I like it.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 06, 2008, 04:54:51 AM
for the inlay.. how about micro dots at 5 7 9 12 15 17 fret.. like a normal guitar..

but have 2 dots on the 7 and 12th fret..

like some martins do....... :whistling:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 06, 2008, 05:06:55 AM
Found this on p. 9 as of last Tuesday evening... it's Friday late night now...

THE LIST:

1. $ Danny dependan
2. $ Adam limnephildae
3. $ ricky rpm60912
4. $ Jeff es-335
5. $ Jim Holler
6. $ Trinity Guitars
7. $ mary kaos (but changed her mind to HOG??? unless she's convinced w Danny's 1-liner)
8. $ LawDogStrgsAttach
9. $ Tuffythepug
10 $ BenF
11 $ Lynda (RW or out)
12 $ Al ARK (short scale or out)
bluesman67
Dale
Holly Strawintogold (no animal products or out; OPTION: stuffed with Pesos :laughin:)
Tad
Mr-LV19E (interested but will need to sell some gits)
L-fan (if inspired enough will sell current git to buy in)


$ - indicated solid commitment with funds ready

Other Posts - assuming they are in favor of LS
KenHolden (LS) --- all made comments assuming they are in favor of LS
iDavid - hogtop
Blue in VT
GeeNorm - Norman


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 06, 2008, 05:08:34 AM
But I don't care if there are any fretboard markers at all. Even the headstock in EIR with no logo is fine. Something about a simple nice guitar seems very appealing to me. Let it's sound be the bling. The LS shape in itself is enough to set it apart from the crowd. (looks kinda like a small sloped dred) I like it.

Methinks you're on to something there. I like the simple headstock.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tadol on December 06, 2008, 06:59:00 AM
Wow!

I miss a couple days, and I got 6 pages to catch up on! And a poll to figure out as well?  Geez -

I did propose the LS - I felt that would be a unique but developed design that JCL already had down pretty well, but had been out of production for a while. The new LSVs are a larger body than the older LSs. The old LSs are a little smaller than the OMs, a bit larger than the 00s, and a fair bit larger than the Parlors. When the order is put together, we need to be sure we know what the body dimensions will specifically be.

B/S  -  Mahogany, Sapele, Indian Rosewood, Brazillian rosewood, maple, silver oak, walnut, bubinga, ziricote, cocobolo, - I don't care. As the primary standard bearers and fanboys ( and girls ) of Larrivee guitars - I have alot of faith that JCL would pull together something nice from his stockpile if he were asked nicely. In fact, before going further, let me coin a catchphrase I'll use alot - WWJCLD? ( What Would JCL Do? )

Top - Spruce of any creed or nationality, or hog, based on the choice for B/S - WWJCLD?

Rosette, bridge, bindings - Again, based on materials used for B/S/T, a vote is nice, but WWJCLD? ( JCL, if you're following this, the pyramid bridge is pretty classy, but a standard bridge with very simple diamond inlay would be cool - if not this guitar, maybe another )

Nut and saddle and pins - bone, perhaps a special bulk purchase of antiqued bone from Bob Colosi for a little more "cool" factor?

Tuners - definite upgrade to Gotohs, with ebony or rosewood buttons, based on -

Headstock - a simple but unique upgrade might be a overlay of the same wood used for B/S, with Larrivee name inlay -  WWJCLD?

Fretboard - keep standard microdots, special something at 12th fret * where it joins body * a great idea - They inlaid "California" before, so they have some experience with this custom work, and I'm sure have ideas - need feedback and pricing from JCL

Neck length - 12 fret, same as 00

Scale - Short, same as LSV

Case - archtop

Strings - included

Finish - depends on location they feel best suited to build it. I love both, but prefer the other. WWJCLD?

Model designation - Phhhhhhhhttt!

I hope that covers everything. I don't see my name on any lists - but as long as the price is not out-of-line - OOPS! I forgot -

Pricing - When this was proposed I assumed that the benefit from this was multiple - 
     1 - we get a really unique and special guitar from our favorite builder -
     2 - we get some special appointments and options that might not otherwise be offered in a similar instrument or that would cost alot more -
     3 - by placing a bulk order of virtually identical instruments, the factory can run them all together for maximum efficiency and cost savings
     4 - with all the instruments on a single order to a single dealer, all presold and with substantial deposit to guarrantee, maximum cost benefit and minimized shipping and handling costs.
     5 - dealer makes a small but reasonable profit on the order, plus has the option of extra add-on work for specific individuals ( pickups, strap buttons, set-up, pickguard installation, buffing out satin, de-glossing shiny, ??? ) otherwise just handles shipping the boxes to purchasers, and acts as factory contact for any warranty issues.

In other words, win-win-win.   Well, maybe Larrivee doesn't win more than just selling us all another guitar, but Jim will make some money with virtually no risk and hopefully little effort, and we all get cool, different, unique instruments at a really, really, really good price!

I assumed to do this we would have to commit and sell a fixed number of units. 10, 16, 20 - whatever it is, if we can keep the offering simple and severely limit factory based customization ( but leave dealer based customization wide open! ) we could put out a REALLY good price to the forum with a sizable, non-refundable deposit to dealer,  and do our damnedest to sell them all. The input here should be to gauge what model would guage the most interest, get a pricing standard together, and decide how many to commit to.

Anyway -  Regardless, I am very interested, and would like my name left on the list - 

Thanks -  Tad

( And as one of those who has owned and played the Parlor, 00 traditional and 00 standard, LS (old size), LSV, OM, OMV, LV, D, and previous FORUM,  I know my preferences and would expound on that if desired - but not on this over-long thread! )


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 06, 2008, 07:15:07 AM
Great post Tad.

As you can see, it seems like we are settling down for Itali. spruce and EIRW back/side.. We have enough people wanting this spec of guitar!!  :nanadance

but some of us are also hoping we could put a 2nd batch of Hog b/s, if possible.

Your great knowledge and suggestion made this project possible!!

Thanks!!

and cheers!

Jeff


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 06, 2008, 07:47:44 AM
I'm pretty sure that the first two runs of forum guitars allowed a choice of either Mahogany or EI Rosewood b /s and choice of sitka spruce or hog tops.  Other than that there were no other options as far as wood was concerned.  I don't see why this particular run of forum III guitars couldn't be essentially the same choices except the Italian Spruce would be an upgrade from the previous offerings and the guitar shape would, of course be different.    Everyone who has had their hands on one of the previous forum guitars seems to agree that they were great builds.   Maybe we should just shoot for an order that allows us to choose hog or rosewood b/s and Italian Spruce or Hog top with all other appointments being identical.  I get nervous when I see long lists of little upgrade touches which, when added up result in a guitar that is super-sweet but too costly to be bought by some of the ones who helped design it here on these threads.

I'll bet that if it was narrowed down to a "choose A or B" scenario we could get at least 12 people who would go for Ital / Rosewood  and another 10 who would be happy to have Ital / hog.  If that was the case then there would be no reason not to go ahead with orders which would satisfy the greatest number of interested parties.    Unfortunately, no matter which way this thing ends up there will be some who cannot be accommodated with their particular choice.  I would hope that that figure would be small.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 06, 2008, 09:50:42 AM
Morning everybody, even you have all gone to bed (I slept in a bit - surprise!!)

I have read through the threads, and am none the wiser.  Can I conclude that we have enough people for an IS/EIRW short scale LS-03 (4" depth), and therefore this has been forwarded to Jim Holler as the final spec we wish JCL to make for us, and that the HOG option will be put to him later if 10 people can organise themselves to do it?

Please enlighten me.

If this is correct, WELL DONE RICKY!!!

Ben


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 06, 2008, 12:30:12 PM
                       Dotneck... Heh man are you on board to get one of these? That's great if you are, so many posts so fast on this subject, that things get blurry. Anyway I would think you would like a 3 DOTNECK

I said early on that I was interested but a final commitment would be based on the final specs and pricing. I'm growing fond of the idea of RW/Italian spruce...I prefered the 00 body but I'm trying to decide if I would want the LS cause I have two similar sized guitars. It is fair to say I am certainly very interested getting one. Waiting for pricing.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 06, 2008, 12:32:17 PM
I'm pretty sure that the first two runs of forum guitars allowed a choice of either Mahogany or EI Rosewood b /s and choice of sitka spruce or hog tops. 

That's not true. They were all mahogany. The only choice was hog top or spruce. I was part of the first order and still have #7 of 17.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 06, 2008, 12:50:04 PM
Maybe this will help Lynda.  There will still be fret markers on the binding, just not on the frets themselves.  I rely on the markers as well when I play, and I have played ...conicidentally...an LS without the markers on the frets but with markers on the bindings and it was fine.

That would be fine for me.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 06, 2008, 12:51:54 PM
Lynda
Don't want to lose your support over fret marker issue.    Please remember that we are talking about the microdots on the surface of the fretboard itself.   There would still be side markers on the edge of the fretboard for your reference as normal.   I think you're placing too much emphasis on this.   The Larrivee microdots are so small they are not a big help anyhow most of the time.
Just for your consideration.   :smile:

I see that Joseph has covered this as I was typing.  well, here's my take on it anyway.

tuffythepug


Tuffy,

Holly has the microdots, so I understand. Further to my latest response, fret markers on the binding are more than fine.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 06, 2008, 03:23:43 PM
Morning everybody, even you have all gone to bed (I slept in a bit - surprise!!)

I have read through the threads, and am none the wiser.  Can I conclude that we have enough people for an IS/EIRW short scale LS-03 (4" depth), and therefore this has been forwarded to Jim Holler as the final spec we wish JCL to make for us, and that the HOG option will be put to him later if 10 people can organise themselves to do it?

Please enlighten me.

If this is correct, WELL DONE RICKY!!!

Ben

Ben.. that is a big step you just took there  :roll

We don't even know any details on pricing or anything..

Once we get the pricing, some will drop out.. and we will for sure know if we want the Italian spruce for the top wood due to the extra cost..

If going with Italian spruce would cost us significant amount of money, $300-$500 dollars..(hopefully it wouldn't be that much!! fingers crossed!!!)

I think we should discuss if we really want it :)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 06, 2008, 03:48:24 PM
Ben.. that is a big step you just took there  :roll

We don't even know any details on pricing or anything..

Once we get the pricing, some will drop out.. and we will for sure know if we want the Italian spruce for the top wood due to the extra cost..

If going with Italian spruce would cost us significant amount of money, $300-$500 dollars..(hopefully it wouldn't be that much!! fingers crossed!!!)

I think we should discuss if we really want it :)
   Ricky already did this, Ben is just stating the facts which he gleaned from reading the previous posts.
         Our discussing of endless changes and options is an exercise in futility until we know the price and basic specs are "told to us". It's fine to dream and wish, but the practical reality of this forum guitar will only be what JCL is willing to do. And that has been said already in the previous posts. Waaaaaaaaaaay back in the archives of this thread. Which probably needs to end in a few days, as well as the forum III thread. Which only serves to confuse at this point. Of course others may think differently.

           Anyway, it's close to the time to seal the deal. Maybe by Tuesday next week we can have the final items worked through and the solid buyers all ready to do it.  :donut :coffee


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 06, 2008, 04:02:47 PM
no way the Italian costs $3-500.  If it does, I doubt anyone would think that is worth it.  My guess is $75-$125.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 06, 2008, 04:07:58 PM
no way the Italian costs $3-500.  If it does, I doubt anyone would think that is worth it.  My guess is $75-$125.

I am hoping it is under $100.... but I can only hope...  :guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 06, 2008, 04:21:56 PM
   Ricky already did this, Ben is just stating the facts which he gleaned from reading the previous posts.
         Our discussing of endless changes and options is an exercise in futility until we know the price and basic specs are "told to us". It's fine to dream and wish, but the practical reality of this forum guitar will only be what JCL is willing to do. And that has been said already in the previous posts. Waaaaaaaaaaay back in the archives of this thread. Which probably needs to end in a few days, as well as the forum III thread. Which only serves to confuse at this point. Of course others may think differently.

           Anyway, it's close to the time to seal the deal. Maybe by Tuesday next week we can have the final items worked through and the solid buyers all ready to do it.  :donut :coffee

This is what I mean Danny.  We have enough people if my calculations are right.  It doesn't matter if we have 300 people, there will still be some who will say 'I am in if... and only if'.  We have enough for what Ricky started, so lets just do it.  Surely we can't get a price without a spec, so by my reconning we should forward the basics to Jim to take up with Larrivee now, or at least soon.

We can speculate about price forever.  You couldn't do into a car showroom and say ther are 15 of of us that want cars pleae, how much will they be?

Lets tell Jim it is EIRW/IS short scale LS-03 (4" depth) and get a price from there.  The rest is minor detail that can be put to JCL as 'ideal requests' in my view.  If we don't bite the bullit, it'll never happen, and my D-09 is for sale (I have a smaller market, so may need a few months to sell!)

Ben



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 06, 2008, 04:33:06 PM
This is what I mean Danny.  We have enough people if my calculations are right.  It doesn't matter if we have 300 people, there will still be some who will say 'I am in if... and only if'.  We have enough for what Ricky started, so lets just do it.  Surely we can't get a price without a spec, so by my reconning we should forward the basics to Jim to take up with Larrivee now, or at least soon.

We can speculate about price forever.  You couldn't do into a car showroom and say ther are 15 of of us that want cars pleae, how much will they be?

Lets tell Jim it is EIRW/IS short scale LS-03 (4" depth) and get a price from there.  The rest is minor detail that can be put to JCL as 'ideal requests' in my view.  If we don't bite the bullit, it'll never happen, and my D-09 is for sale (I have a smaller market, so may need a few months to sell!)

Ben


  I think that is where we are already and we need to just settle a few options/specs. I recommend you stop the Poll thread, I think you started it so you can end it and if Ricky wants he could send more info to Jim. But I think he already has and we are just waiting. 
                                                         "Movin on"  :guitar III


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 06, 2008, 04:37:05 PM
As far as short-scale goes...I thought I was neutral but after reading a few recent posts, I'm beginning to prefer long-scale.  I have no need to have the strings feel easier to play, I'm already accustomed to playing long scales.  It got me thinking from the comments that short scale could have a negative effect on the tone, sort of neutralizing the benefits of the 12-fret design in the 1st place (boost in volume in a small box).  I am pretty clueless when it comes to the impact of scale lengths and it would be great if Jim at Trinity or Uncle Bob, or some knowledgeable forum member could give some insight.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 06, 2008, 04:40:17 PM
  I think that is where we are already and we need to just settle a few options/specs. I recommend you stop the Poll thread, I think you started it so you can end it and if Ricky wants he could send more info to Jim. But I think he already has and we are just waiting. 
                                                         "Movin on"  :guitar III

bluesman67 started the poll Danny.  I'm glad I seem to be on Ricky's wavelength.  If i have read correctly, the details were something of a surprise last time, with JCL adding the abalone rosette.  Perhaps we only need be as specific as no fretboard markers, the 12th fret three dots, which is inspired, and the no sea monsters, but not a std. 03 rosette either, and leave the rest up to JCL.  The rest has been discussed endlessly, with no real consensus.

FWIW, I think this very white Italian Spruce is going to look seriously good with a satin finish, and these may be the only guitars which have that, since it is a 'premium' wood likely to be used in the more expensive gloss models.

Cheers

Ben



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 06, 2008, 04:41:50 PM
I'm pretty sure that the first two runs of forum guitars allowed a choice of either Mahogany or EI Rosewood b /s and choice of sitka spruce or hog tops.  Other than that there were no other options as far as wood was concerned.  I don't see why this particular run of forum III guitars couldn't be essentially the same choices except the Italian Spruce would be an upgrade from the previous offerings and the guitar shape would, of course be different.    Everyone who has had their hands on one of the previous forum guitars seems to agree that they were great builds.   Maybe we should just shoot for an order that allows us to choose hog or rosewood b/s and Italian Spruce or Hog top with all other appointments being identical.  I get nervous when I see long lists of little upgrade touches which, when added up result in a guitar that is super-sweet but too costly to be bought by some of the ones who helped design it here on these threads.

I'll bet that if it was narrowed down to a "choose A or B" scenario we could get at least 12 people who would go for Ital / Rosewood  and another 10 who would be happy to have Ital / hog.  If that was the case then there would be no reason not to go ahead with orders which would satisfy the greatest number of interested parties.    Unfortunately, no matter which way this thing ends up there will be some who cannot be accommodated with their particular choice.  I would hope that that figure would be small.

We're not shopping at Walmart and the customer isn't always right (the builder is). This is a custom build from a builder who is used to building in larger quantities, he is actually doing us a favor by building to our specifications. Usually in a custom build there are a lot of high-margin items and we're pulling that out. I think we should submit the Italian Spruce / Rosewood that we voted on and just get pricing to confirm that all of us who already committed can join. I'm sure a lot of people will jump in. Right now there is a lot of discussion around points that were considered to be "flexible" or "not-dealbreakers" about 10 posts ago.

In this case, I think we reached a consensus amongst the required amount of people for the first batch and I think we want to inquire about a second batch for the hogs. I doubt you'll get enough for the second batch right away but it's easy enough to place a second order before the guitars are even built and consider part of the same run.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 06, 2008, 04:43:45 PM
We're not shopping at Walmart and the customer isn't always right (the builder is). This is a custom build from a builder who is used to building in larger quantities, he is actually doing us a favor by building to our specifications. Usually in a custom build there are a lot of high-margin items and we're pulling that out. I think we should submit the Italian Spruce / Rosewood that we voted on and just get pricing to confirm that all of us who already committed can join. I'm sure a lot of people will jump in. Right now there is a lot of discussion around points that were considered to be "flexible" or "not-dealbreakers" about 10 posts ago.

In this case, I think we reached a consensus amongst the required amount of people for the first batch and I think we want to inquire about a second batch for the hogs. I doubt you'll get enough for the second batch right away but it's easy enough to place a second order before the guitars are even built and consider part of the same run.


well said! :thumbsup


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 06, 2008, 05:03:50 PM
That's not true. They were all mahogany. The only choice was hog top or spruce. I was part of the first order and still have #7 of 17.

You are, of course, correct;   and I knew that.    :blush:  sorry I mis-represented it.  I don't think I should post so late at night after my medication kicks in.   :roll



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: L-fan on December 06, 2008, 05:30:56 PM
It seems some people think we need to hammer out some final spec to get a price quote, and others think we are waiting for Ricky From Larrivee to get back to Jim.

I thought we are all waiting for a price quote(s) from Larrivee before we set this in stone.  Am I correct in thinking that Larrivee is not waiting for some final spec from us, we are waiting for Larrivee to get back to Jim so that we know how many people want the upcharge with Italian Spruce, etc.

So right now we don't need to do anything until we get the 411 on prices, right???


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 06, 2008, 05:39:09 PM
It seems some people think we need to hammer out some final spec to get a price quote, and others think we are waiting for Ricky From Larrivee to get back to Jim.

I thought we are all waiting for a price quote(s) from Larrivee before we set this in stone.  Am I correct in thinking that Larrivee is not waiting for some final spec from us, we are waiting for Larrivee to get back to Jim so that we know how many people want the upcharge with Italian Spruce, etc.

So right now we don't need to do anything until we get the 411 on prices, right???

I would say you are correct.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 06, 2008, 05:41:27 PM
 It got me thinking from the comments that short scale could have a negative effect on the tone....  

I don't think that is correct, in fact, I 've read that some claim short scale produces a sweeter tone. Supposedly one of the advantages of the 12 fret design is movement of the bridge towards the endpin (towards the fatter part of the lower bout). Compared to a 14 fret, standard scale (25.5") guitar, moving to a 12 fret design with standard scale would move the bridge about 1.5" ( the distance represented by the 13th and 14th frets) towards the end pin. If we now shorten the scale to 24.75" (as on the LSV-11), we move the bridge 0.75" back towards the sound hole. So the result for a short scale, 12 fret design is a net shift of the bridge about 0.75" towards the endpin as compared to the location for a 14 fret, standard scale guitar. Now this "analysis " (I use the term loosely!) is only approximate because the width of the 13th and 14th frets for a short scale are a bit smaller then that for a regular scale, but I think I'm close.

The shorter scale will produce a bit less volume do to the lower string tension, but I don't believe it is a significant difference.

Having said all this, I acknowledge I have no guitar design expertise. This is just my way of trying to evaluate the scale options. I welcome comments and corrections.

Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 06, 2008, 05:48:53 PM
I just would like to say "don't rush the project". There could be some long time members that may be interested but just haven't had the time to visit. I can tell you that 20 some pages of thread is a project to read though. I would suggest leaving this thread for the ones that have not had a chance to read it, and continue this discussion here. I read somewhere in this thread that there was another one before this, I didn't see that one and don't know what happened to it.
I think when Jim gets back to us he will have a cost for the basic guitar and costs for the upgrades.

 :cheers


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 06, 2008, 06:02:18 PM
The shorter scale will produce a bit less volume do to the lower string tension, but I don't believe it is a significant difference.

That lower string tension will lead to even less string tension if you play with lowered tunings....(not sure how significant that will be though). That can be offset with heavier strings if the guitar will tolerate heavier strings.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tadol on December 06, 2008, 06:04:53 PM
Agreed - until we get some idea of pricing, its going to be hard for a number of us to commit to the project, and if it is on the higher side, I'd be concerned that some of the pre-committed may suddenly have second thoughts.

That said - I think we should keep some perspective and keep in mind that the idea of the Forum putting together a special instrument every, oh, 2-3 years?, just for sale to Forum members seems like an achievable goal. Last runs emphasized mahogany - I think it would be nice if this one emphasized a different material.  Maybe in 2 years the economy would be much better, and we could put together a special SD, or something that emphasizes some fancy inlay or appointments? or maybe an electric or a mandolin or a bass or ??? If we can get JCL in tune with this project, maybe he can keep that in the back of his mind when he is out buying materials ( Hmmm, that log is incredible, but I can only get 30 guitars, out if it - wonder if the Forum would be interested? )

But right now, the economy is not good, and alot of Forum members are going to have to weigh this expense carefully, and we should strive to keep this instrument, while unique and special, very affordable. We REALLY need to wait until the factory gives us some feedback about all this before we make any more assumptions about what can or can't be done, and what various options might cost.

Also - I think we need to be careful about posting what would be "deal-breakers" for various people. It is good to express preferences, but to start saying that "if it ends up such-and-such I'm out" is not productive, since those same options may be exactly what appeal to others. And remember - the goal is simple. Simple to choose ( yes or no, minimal options ), simple to afford, and simple to organize/pay for/distribute.

Just my 2c  -   Tad


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 06, 2008, 06:11:11 PM
You can add another name to the $ list, mine.  As voted in the poll, my preference is for RW/Ital/12fret. It's not an LS classical, but it will still be special and maybe different enough from my OM-10.  What headstock logo is preferred?  I prefer the JCL logo, like on this JCL Reissue (http://www.12fret.com/new/Larrivee_JCL_reissue_pg.html).  It's different, classy, and not overly ornate.  For the 12th marker, I like either the three dots or maybe a small Roman numeral III for instant visual confirmation that it is a Forum III.
:thumb

Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 06, 2008, 06:13:01 PM
Agreed - until we get some idea of pricing, its going to be hard for a number of us to commit to the project, and if it is on the higher side, I'd be concerned that some of the pre-committed may suddenly have second thoughts.

That said - I think we should keep some perspective and keep in mind that the idea of the Forum putting together a special instrument every, oh, 2-3 years?, just for sale to Forum members seems like an achievable goal. Last runs emphasized mahogany - I think it would be nice if this one emphasized a different material.  Maybe in 2 years the economy would be much better, and we could put together a special SD, or something that emphasizes some fancy inlay or appointments? or maybe an electric or a mandolin or a bass or ??? If we can get JCL in tune with this project, maybe he can keep that in the back of his mind when he is out buying materials ( Hmmm, that log is incredible, but I can only get 30 guitars, out if it - wonder if the Forum would be interested? )

But right now, the economy is not good, and alot of Forum members are going to have to weigh this expense carefully, and we should strive to keep this instrument, while unique and special, very affordable. We REALLY need to wait until the factory gives us some feedback about all this before we make any more assumptions about what can or can't be done, and what various options might cost.

Also - I think we need to be careful about posting what would be "deal-breakers" for various people. It is good to express preferences, but to start saying that "if it ends up such-and-such I'm out" is not productive, since those same options may be exactly what appeal to others. And remember - the goal is simple. Simple to choose ( yes or no, minimal options ), simple to afford, and simple to organize/pay for/distribute.

Just my 2c  -   Tad

I think this is exactly what Ricky has achieved.  If I understand correctly, we are waiting for a cost for the basic spec that has been selected by the majority, and then we can see the exact number.  10 is not many, we probably have 5 that are in regardless.  If some drop out I think others will join in who have been waiting for a conclusion on specs without getting too heavily involved.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 06, 2008, 06:14:13 PM
You can add another name to the $ list, mine.  As voted in the poll, my preference is for RW/Ital/12fret. It's not an LS classical, but it will still be special and maybe different enough from my OM-10.  What headstock logo is preferred?  I prefer the JCL logo, like on this JCL Reissue (http://www.12fret.com/new/Larrivee_JCL_reissue_pg.html).  It's different, classy, and not overly ornate.  For the 12th marker, I like either the three dots or maybe a small Roman numeral III for instant visual confirmation that it is a Forum III.
:thumb

Tim

Good man Tim!! :thumbsup


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on December 06, 2008, 06:15:11 PM
Friends - stop the madness.   If you must have 25 options, then you should consider commissioning a luthier.  :)  JCL is being very generous.  Let's not spoil it.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: flatlander on December 06, 2008, 06:16:03 PM
We're gettin old Tad! Thinking in terms of years which pass like minutes now. But yea, in a couple years a forum Mando might be great. See if college fund comes back for youngest son, retirement and maybe even what job I have after our buyout deal is completed. We'll talk about it more in a couple minutes ! :bgrin:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 06, 2008, 06:23:21 PM
Friends - stop the madness.   If you must have 25 options, then you should consider commissioning a luthier.  :)  JCL is being very generous.  Let's not spoil it.

The thread has gone out of control a bit, but from my perspective we have a std guitar, IS top, EIRW B&S, short scale LS-03 (4" depth), full stop.  The only requests on top of that are no abalone, but maybe not the 03 std rosette, and a three dot/III 12th fret inlay (no other fretboard markers).  I don't think that is an unreasonable ask.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 06, 2008, 06:41:38 PM
BenF
Exactly.    In fact if that is the final spec and the price is not totally out of reach they can start building my lefty right now.    full stop.  :laughin:


tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 06, 2008, 06:46:22 PM
Friends,

Sorry for making posts that led this thread out of control

Jeff


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 06, 2008, 06:49:39 PM
Friends,

Sorry for making posts that led this thread to out of control

Jeff

Everybody has done it at some point on this thread, myself included.  We would never have got this far if people didn't speak out.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 06, 2008, 07:19:38 PM
I just would like to say "don't rush the project". There could be some long time members that may be interested but just haven't had the time to visit. I can tell you that 20 some pages of thread is a project to read though. I would suggest leaving this thread for the ones that have not had a chance to read it, and continue this discussion here. I read somewhere in this thread that there was another one before this, I didn't see that one and don't know what happened to it.
I think when Jim gets back to us he will have a cost for the basic guitar and costs for the upgrades.

 :cheers
   Randy posted a link to the original thread on the first post. And made this a sticky at the top so everyone can see it.   Roger we have put a lot of energy in this to this point with the view of other members seeing it and getting as many involved as possible. But there does come a moment when you must "pull the trigger".


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tadol on December 06, 2008, 07:25:56 PM
The thread has gone out of control a bit, but from my perspective we have a std guitar, IS top, EIRW B&S, short scale LS-03 (4" depth), full stop.  The only requests on top of that are no abalone, but maybe not the 03 std rosette, and a three dot/III 12th fret inlay (no other fretboard markers).  I don't think that is an unreasonable ask.

Not unreasonable - but the problem is that I thought we have been talking 12 fret all along, and you seem to be assuming Standard (14 fret). We want Italian Spruce, even though we have no idea if they will let us use it, or if there would be an upcharge. I don't have a problem with abalone, but would with a std 03 rosette on this special guitar. I don't understand the issue with microdot fret markers - I find them very useful when I am running around up there, otherwise I tend to get lost.

Again - I hope we can write a simple spec for the factory to quote, and with the pricing matrix we can start taking orders and collecting deposits. If that has been done, I'm sorry to bring it up, but I have yet to see the exact details and options that have been requested, nor have I seen any feedback from the factory about what they are willing to do/not do/consider. Once that spec is posted, people ( myself included ) will have to decide if it is the instrument they are interested in - not everyone will be happy, thats life. I am willing to be very flexible to accomodate this project, but I also will not buy something that I won't enjoy, and I don't want one or two strong opinions to unduly influence others who would prefer something else, but feel like they are "going along" with the group - too often I find it isn't really the group, but the one or two loudest.

If this has all been posted in another thread, then again, I apologize. There seems to be alot going on about this, and I am having trouble keeping up with the many threads and opinions. But I've seen too many problems in business when you gloss over the details and "assume" everyone is agreeing on the same thing. I'm too excited and hopeful about this project to not try to make sure it goes as well as I can help it -

But I have a store to go prep and prime - then back home, scrape the caulk and primer out from under the nails, and try to get a little wine and guitar time in tonight - Catch up with all this in another 6 or 7 pages -  :cheers

Tad


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 06, 2008, 07:32:59 PM
try to get a little wine and guitar time in tonight

Tad

Tad, Wine and guitar.. sounds terrific. what a great idea..  :thumb

I know what I am doing tonight :nanadance




Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 06, 2008, 07:35:59 PM
Tadol, it is a 12 fret we are going for, that is about the only unanimous decision, hence why I forgot to write it down again.  JCL has agreed to the Italian Spruce, provided we nail the spec for B&S to one option only.  Yesterday I tried my very best to get individual's ideal specifications without disclosing them to the group discussion. Some posted, some PM'd me, then I was accused of hiding information, so I published the results.  There was already a clear trend to what we have established now as the ideal spec.  Bluesman67 also ran a poll on materials, which resulted in the same overwealming majority for EIRW/IS LS-03 12 fret.  The scale length was the only unresolved issue, and I think more people in the std scale camp were prepared to compromise on this, so we have set short scale as the chosen length, again somehting that JCL agreed was doable, at an upcharge.

I fail to see any way we could have been much more democratic about this without risking never getting to a conclusion.

Ben


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 06, 2008, 08:12:17 PM
I don't think this is getting out of hand.  To the contrary, I am happy there's so much interest.  It wouldn't surprise me if at least 20 were ordered, double the minimum 10.  There is a lot of talk and excitement and it's tough keeping up, but it's just talk.  I started a poll because we needed to form a concensus and understand if we could agree on a minimum order, and it served that purpose.  The poll options were clear, there were 5 wood combos to choose from.  The only thing really understood at this point is that the masses want:
LS-03RW
Italian
12-fret

Maybe the Italian will be more, but I find it hard to believe that it was even worth purchasing for JCL if the markup was significantly more, after all sitka is a great sound board too...just not "special".  Additionally, it seems that just about everyone knows they don't want abalone.

We don't know the price of that but we will soon enough for the Italian with special wood with qualities similar to Adirondack.  That's really all we know, we now have focus.  All the other options are just talk.  I hesitate to throw the short-scale option in there because:
1.  The cost I think will be significant due to changes in the manufacturing process that I know nothing about.
2.  It would be nice to hear from Jim Holler or UncleRob or someone who can give us the skinny on the tonal effects (including how it affects the volume gains of the 12-fret design) and benefits of short-scale vs. long-scale.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 06, 2008, 08:29:46 PM
I think you should make it the way you think the majority has in mind, "you can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself".
To be quite honest I almost hope you price it out of my range as I really don't need another guitar, but at the same time it would be cool to have a Forum III with some special touches.
The only point I was making is that if you want to keep the guitar affordable you ought to remember that
1. Rosewood is always an up charge (check the price difference between any of the 03 vs 03R)
2.The Italian spruce is an up charge (according to Jean)
3. Short scale is an up charge (according to Jean)
4. Something other than the standard rosette is most likely an up charge
5. The pyramid bridge is probably more money
Obviously some features cost more than others but I believe I read somewhere in this thread  that you wanted to keep it affordable. If I'm wrong tell me so.
I don't know about everyone else but I can tell you that if the actual cost is much over $1100 dollars I would consider that too much for a satin finished guitar. It is really easy to get out of hand with options and before you know it you've added so much that no one is interestd
Just my opinion, everyone else may feel different.
Just food for thought.
 :donut2  :donut2  :donut2  :donut2
 :donut  :donut  :donut  :donut
 :coffee  :coffee  :coffee  :coffee


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 06, 2008, 08:32:58 PM
Breaking News... I just got off the phone talking with Jim Holler...1:16 MT; 3:16 ET

This will be brief as this is my one and only post until Sunday evening as weekends are busy for me... as some of you know.  :winkin:

SCALE: The 24" short scale is a $200 upcharge. Jim Holler recommends the Regular Scale ideal for this Forum Git

PRACTICAL EXPERIMENT TO DO REGARDING....question on open tunings:    
If the $200 upcharge is concensus (that is, we agree $200 is worth it and Forum Git becomes short scale & against 1 luthier's recommendation of Reg Scale):   then those who have access to both Larri Parlor & LS models - do open tunings and compare the tone & sound; that will answer open tuning or drop tuning or alternate tuning question - once & for all


TOP: The Italian Spruce is a $125 upcharge.     I believe most committed will be okay with this Italian 125 upcharge, correct?    If we drop Italian, LIFE will get complicated again! (lots of threads to read)

If we NO Italian, then 2 choices: Sitka or Hog Top as in MT (But this is Jim Holler's guess, it must be approved by JCL)

TONEWOOD:   As of last night, RW is the winner.    


But, HOG fans, if there's at least 10 of you committed, a 2nd batch of Hog b&s is possible (Jim speaking but to be approved by JCL; Jim thinks JCL will be excited if 2 batches ordered).
You have a chance to have your all-hog LS-03MT.
Get busy es-335 Jeff!!!  You have Danny, mary, and other hog folks to sign up & firm up commitment$.    Again subject to JCL's final yes.

Depth:   Jim hopes JCL agrees to 4"  ==>   But this is what the Forum Git III is all about... bringing back an out-of-production 1st ed. LS (1997 specs - thanks mary)

Price: We should be easily in the 1000-1200 range as long as we do not... REPEAT ...  DO NOT go crazy on extras!
Have a good weekend Y'all !!!

ricky  :roll   YeeeeeeeePeeeeeeeeee!!!!

PS - In fairness to Jim Holler, the amounts mentioned are guess-timates (informed approximate amounts)... so let's not pin him on these, please?
Talks with Ricky Larrivee are pending until Monday... they're talking discounts which Jim Holler is not yet clear on.


Folks... let me summarize: I hope the choices or final order will boil down to:

1. a batch of Ital RW and  a batch of Ital Hog

OR

2. a batch of Spruce RW and a batch of MT Hog

Only Question to answer is:    SCALE    is it SHORT (200 more) or REGULAR .....................
....................BTW if we go for Short Scale ==> it may drive price NORTH of 1200 !!!




Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 06, 2008, 08:42:47 PM
Sounds good and no, I would not be interested in a $200 up charge for something I'm not concerned with, esp. if Jim says not such a good idea.

YES, I would pay $125 up charge for the IS, I mean there has to be something tangibly special besides size and well, I don't have anything with a IS top.

Now, the burning question is, how much of a deposit are we talking?

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 06, 2008, 08:44:16 PM
Sweet, Ricky you are a legend.  As is Jim Holler! :nanadance :nana_guitar :nanadance

FWIW, I am happy to leave the short scale thing and save the $200, but $125 for IS seems too good to miss.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 06, 2008, 08:49:59 PM
Ben, I added a summary. Pls read again. ricky


I'm still on p. 21 catching up reading...
I don't know if it's a good idea for Randy or any Moderator to lock this thread - to give people time to think.
To prevent further confusion, speculation, wishful thinking, etc...

Danny, Ben, I'll leave it up to you if you agree to freeze or not...  I gotta get busy here at work... or I'll be here all weekend.


I hope the "let me summarize" conclusion of the latest Breaking News... just about nails it for ALL OF US including those on the fence waiting for the price point (though still not final).


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 06, 2008, 08:55:26 PM
Great work Ricky,

too bad the up charge of the short scale is so much... I am one of the people who wanted the short scale.. and still would love to have it...       
but me thinks.. forget it for $200..
On the IS thing..  I'll see what people say about $125 up charge... I'd prefer the MT but If indeed JCL said it is more like adi.. I am fine as well..


And people who want MAHOGANY.. Please PM me


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Broadus on December 06, 2008, 09:16:01 PM
You guys are on a roll. I have two requests:

1. Price this thing at least $2000 so I won't be tempted.

2. Require at least a $1000 deposit. Same reason as point 1.

 :humour:

I'm happy for you. Hope it works out.

Bill


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 06, 2008, 09:17:16 PM
Italian Spruce for $125 sounds awesome to me!!!

I trust Jim Holler on the scale. That's two expert opinions I've had recommend the standard scale for this 12-fret guitar. Please count my vote again for regular scale, and glad to see it will keep the price down for everyone as well.

Thanks! I'm starting to get a little excited...

 :beer


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 06, 2008, 09:33:29 PM
Yeah..   scrap the short scale.    no bang for a considerable level of bucks there.
 :thumb   for the Italian Spruce if it's truly $125 up charge.
 The "no fret marker" except 3 dots on 12th should be no additional cost since we are actually saving the labor of installing the markers on the usual frets.  At least that makes sense to me.

 Maybe we shouldn't expect much more than this for the forum III.
A 12 fret LS-03 with Ital. Spruce/ RW and clean fretboard and  special label inside may be plenty.
I'm going to be real interested to see If JCL has something up his sleeve to surprise us with.   kinda like the anticipation of the prize in our Cracker Jack.  He may throw in something like bone nut or special rosette, pyramid bridge....    who knows ? 

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 06, 2008, 09:46:09 PM
As of this moment there are 32 responses on the poll.

majority wants Ital / EIRW  (16)....  more than enough for an initial order
significant number of folks who would go for Ital / Hog too, though.  If the people who wanted hog/hog and sitka/hog were to join forces with the Ital / hog contingent there would be at least 12 members who would go for that comb.  ...  Again, more than enough for a second order. If we are talking about possibly 30 guitars or more (Jim Holler has said he'd be getting one or two also)  We should be getting some small concessions on pricing and add-ons I would think.

It looks like those who are adamant about wanting the mahogany flavor can be accommodated too.

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 06, 2008, 09:47:16 PM
Yeah..   scrap the short scale.    no bang for a considerable level of bucks there.
 :thumb   for the Italian Spruce if it's truly $125 up charge.
 The "no fret marker" except 3 dots on 12th should be no additional cost since we are actually saving the labor of installing the markers on the usual frets.  At least that makes sense to me.

 Maybe we shouldn't expect much more than this for the forum III.
A 12 fret LS-03 with Ital. Spruce/ RW and clean fretboard and  special label inside may be plenty.
I'm going to be real interested to see If JCL has something up his sleeve to surprise us with.   kinda like the anticipation of the prize in our Cracker Jack.  He may throw in something like bone nut or special rosette, pyramid bridge....    who knows ? 

Tuffythepug

I have to say Tuffy that I am with you 100% on that assessment.  I think we need to specify no abalone though, since that was his free gift last time.  What do you think of the roman numerals idea at the 12th fret? or do you think 3 simple dots would be best?

This is gonna become a reality now, I am sure.  Thank goodness, my D-09 is for sale in about 30 places!!!

Cheers

Ben


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 06, 2008, 09:52:14 PM
Yeah..   scrap the short scale.    no bang for a considerable level of bucks there.
 :thumb   for the Italian Spruce if it's truly $125 up charge.
 The "no fret marker" except 3 dots on 12th should be no additional cost since we are actually saving the labor of installing the markers on the usual frets.  At least that makes sense to me.

 Maybe we shouldn't expect much more than this for the forum III.
A 12 fret LS-03 with Ital. Spruce/ RW and clean fretboard and  special label inside may be plenty.
I'm going to be real interested to see If JCL has something up his sleeve to surprise us with.   kinda like the anticipation of the prize in our Cracker Jack.  He may throw in something like bone nut or special rosette, pyramid bridge....    who knows ? 

Tuffythepug
          I'm in.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 06, 2008, 10:36:11 PM
          I'm in.


Danny
When were you ever out ?  :roll
By the way I hold you personally responsible for getting me into this forum guitar thing to begin with.   I was happy to stay on the sidelines, but noooooooooooooo.     :tongue:

Tuffythepug





Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 06, 2008, 10:39:17 PM
" If we are talking about possibly 30 guitars or more (Jim Holler has said he'd be getting one or two also)  We should be getting some small concessions on pricing and add-ons I would think."

I concur. While it's a nice thing to do, this is a tidy order for Larrivee, lets not lose sight of that and Oliver Twist ourselves. I'd be pretty disappointed with that black and white rosette. It's my least fav part of the 03 line.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 06, 2008, 10:58:54 PM
Maybe someone who was involved in the last foum guitar might suggest the best way to draw this to a list of definites for IS/RW and ?/HOG.  I am reluctant to get too involved and make a mess of it.  Should we let this thread continue unitl Monday and then try to tie it all up then, when everyone is available.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 06, 2008, 11:02:16 PM
As of this moment there are 32 responses on the poll.

majority wants Ital / EIRW  (16)....  more than enough for an initial order
significant number of folks who would go for Ital / Hog too, though.  If the people who wanted hog/hog and sitka/hog were to join forces with the Ital / hog contingent there would be at least 12 members who would go for that comb.  ...  Again, more than enough for a second order. If we are talking about possibly 30 guitars or more (Jim Holler has said he'd be getting one or two also)  We should be getting some small concessions on pricing and add-ons I would think.

It looks like those who are adamant about wanting the mahogany flavor can be accommodated too.

Tuffythepug

I am the one voted hog/hog but willing to go IS/HOG.

So far including me 5 people PMed me for Hog, possibly one more for sure.

If you are wanting HOG B/S please PM ME!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 06, 2008, 11:05:17 PM
BenF,
I've been recruiting people for HOG B/S. and it seems like most of us are leaning towards to IS/HOG

Hopefully more people can join in on the hog option as well.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 06, 2008, 11:10:55 PM
Fine, since Ricky is not available over the weekend, PM me if you want to be on the IS/RW list, subject to price.  I am going to sleep now, so won't respond till morning, but can forward the list to Ricky/Jim when complete.  es-355 - do we set an end time for this?

I hope ths is OK.  Ricky PM'd me yesterday and said he was happy for me to help.

Cheers and good night

Ben


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 06, 2008, 11:12:48 PM
IMO, no end time....  until we hear back from larrivee...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 06, 2008, 11:13:18 PM
IMO, no end time....  until we hear back from larrivee...

Agree


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 06, 2008, 11:20:27 PM

Danny
When were you ever out ?  :roll
By the way I hold you personally responsible for getting me into this forum guitar thing to begin with.   I was happy to stay on the sidelines, but noooooooooooooo.     :tongue:

Tuffythepug




   You are welcome sir  :guitar

Fine, since Ricky is not available over the weekend, PM me if you are a committed buyer for Italian Spruce/Indian rosewood.  I am going to sleep now, so won't respond till morning, but can forward the list to Ricky/Jim when complete.  es-355 - do we set an end time for this?

I hope ths is OK.  Ricky PM'd me yesterday and said he was happy for me to help.

Cheers and good night

Ben
  Yes I am committed!  (and my wife is ready to commit me :ohmy:)   


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 06, 2008, 11:22:59 PM
Are you still asking for a commitment without final specs, a deposit amount/final cost? Because I'm not willing to do that and then have to renege. I understand you have an OUTLINE but I'm not financially committing to an outline. Frankly, still being asked to do so is a bit aggravating. I understand the excitement but do not understand the insistence to commit to an unknown, much less RIGHT NOW.

We haven't even heard back from the Powers That Be with any definite anythings, fcol.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 06, 2008, 11:25:13 PM
Are you still asking for a commitment without final specs, a deposit amount/final cost? Because I'm not willing to do that and then have to renege. I understand you have an OUTLINE but I'm not financially committing to an outline. Frankly, still being asked to do so is a bit aggravating.

holly

I'll amend my post then.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 06, 2008, 11:27:36 PM
Thank you. I think the only fair way to make it up to me is to buy me a Forum Guitar. Full of cash. It's not my intention to throw cold water on you, well, it sort of is. I want to make a real commitment and simply need real information to do so to avoid making it all stupid on my end.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 06, 2008, 11:27:47 PM
I thought I read this morning that there would still be fret markers along the binding. However, now Tuffy is talking about only fret markers at the 12th fret.  If that's the way it's gonna be, I'm out. Sorry.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 06, 2008, 11:29:04 PM
Fret markers on the binding is a given. They are simply discussing the forefront.  You know how men are they just assume you get it. Ironic since they don't listen half the time....

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 06, 2008, 11:36:48 PM
I am pretty sure that we won't have any further information than we have until monday...

until then..... I am gonna have some wine... and play some good ol' blues...... :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dale_I on December 06, 2008, 11:37:42 PM
If I might suggest...

Since this appears to be becoming an ongoing thread on a variety of topics. Maybe a moderator could create a separate heading for Forum III Guitar. Then, inside the heading, there could be separate posts for Tonewood, Microdots, Headstock, Price, Hog configuration, RW configuration, etc, etc.

I know it would be easier for me to track some of this... :arrow


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 06, 2008, 11:42:23 PM
If I might suggest...

Since this appears to be becoming an ongoing thread on a variety of topics. Maybe a moderator could create a separate heading for Forum III Guitar. Then, inside the heading, there could be separate posts for Tonewood, Microdots, Headstock, Price, Hog configuration, RW configuration, etc, etc.

I know it would be easier for me to track some of this... :arrow

Look ar rpm60912's post on page 23 for a summary of where we are.  I am hoping now that we have two proposals, one for Italian Spruce/RW and one for Italian Spruce/Hog - the consensus states 12 fret, LS-03 satin finish, and we have been advised that std scale is sensible from two knowledgeable sources.  the remaining details can come later in my opinion.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 06, 2008, 11:57:37 PM
I'm in for one of these special guitars.  I will echo my pal Tuffy and say:

LS-03RW
Ital Spruce
No guard for case not on guitar
3 microdots at the 12th fret
no fret markers
no abalone
If we can get a herrinbone or something special for the rosette as a thow in...YES
It should include bone nut and saddle.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 07, 2008, 12:13:08 AM

A 12 fret LS-03 with Ital. Spruce/ RW and clean fretboard and  special label inside may be plenty.
I'm going to be real interested to see If JCL has something up his sleeve to surprise us with.   kinda like the anticipation of the prize in our Cracker Jack.  He may throw in something like bone nut or special rosette, pyramid bridge....    who knows ? 

Jim Holler already already said he would add bone nuts as part of the set up.

I think its too bad people are opposed to an abaleone rosette. I think it adds a bit of class to an austere 03 model. And if you are looking for a clean fret board I think no dots at all would look better than three microdot or roman numerals on the 12th fret.

I was in touch with Jim H today on a different matter and he said he hoped he could have the finalized dimensions from Larrivee on Monday...that should resolve the body depth issue. What is the fascination with a 4" depth? I expect that a deeper body would produce a more robust tone....


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 07, 2008, 02:08:59 AM
Fret markers on the binding is a given. They are simply discussing the forefront.  You know how men are they just assume you get it. Ironic since they don't listen half the time....

holly

Holly,

You got that right!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: flatlander on December 07, 2008, 02:17:27 AM
Did  somebody say something?  :humour:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 07, 2008, 02:19:32 AM
Are you still asking for a commitment without final specs, a deposit amount/final cost?

I can understand them wanting to get a count...it helps with planning. But it certainly looks like there are enough potential buyers interested to go forward with the order.

And that final order will be placed with Jim at Trinity and since he's the dealer he will need to determine the amount of the deposit. I think last time $100 got your order placed with the balance due before the guitars were shipped to their new owners. IMO there will be plenty of opportunity to add your name to the order even if you don't commit your dollars in this thread.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tadol on December 07, 2008, 03:10:08 AM
Hey Dotneck - not everyone is opposed to abalone, especially if the other option is std -03 rosette -

Seems a shame that the short scale is such a huge upcharge (15+% of total cost?) - it's one of the things that makes my LSV so playable and special.

$125 up charge for Italian spruce seems alot, but I am in no position to say for sure one way or another - hope it's worth it, but I have no problem taking JCLs word for it.

Shallow (4") body does add alot to playability for us old guys with bad shoulders from too many years of wrench-jockeying and hammer-swinging. It does detract a bit from sound depth, which is why the Ls body over the 00 body is nice, you get the additional interior volume to make up for it, plus the larger soundboard.

Very excited to hear from Jim/JCL about the final design details, and of course price. I can't decide whether I would want rosewood or mahogany. Maybe I should order both? Makes me think of that beautiful matched set RandyR has - but if I got the pair, I'd definitely have to sell the LS-10. That may be asking too much -

The biggest downside will be 15 to 20 of us all as excited and anxious for the next 6 months as ricky was for his 00 -  :humour:

Is my name on the list yet? and how many times?

Tad


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 07, 2008, 04:02:41 AM
I thought I read this morning that there would still be fret markers along the binding. However, now Tuffy is talking about only fret markers at the 12th fret.  If that's the way it's gonna be, I'm out. Sorry.

Lyric _girl
I'm afraid you mis-understood.   Side markers on the binding of the fretboard would be as normal.  The playing surface of the fretboard would be dot-less except for 3 dots at the 12th which is right at the neck to body joint.  In my view the fretboard would still look clean since the only marker would be at the neck/body joint.   We all need to have the markers visible to us as we are playing.  The side markers work just fine for that.  Sorry if I said something earlier to mis-lead you.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 07, 2008, 04:03:18 AM
Fret markers on the binding is a given. They are simply discussing the forefront.  You know how men are they just assume you get it. Ironic since they don't listen half the time....

holly
 I'm sorry but could you repeat that, I didn't hear you. No wait I did get some of it , about 50% I think :tongue:
                   You are right...too much assuming and not enough listening.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 07, 2008, 04:21:46 AM
Jim Holler already already said he would add bone nuts as part of the set up. (I think it was the saddle , not the nut...)

I think its too bad people are opposed to an abaleone rosette. I think it adds a bit of class to an austere 03 model. And if you are looking for a clean fret board I think no dots at all would look better than three microdot or roman numerals on the 12th fret.

I was in touch with Jim H today on a different matter and he said he hoped he could have the finalized dimensions from Larrivee on Monday...that should resolve the body depth issue. What is the fascination with a 4" depth? I expect that a deeper body would produce a more robust tone....
                        The rosette in Abalone is better than the 03 series standard for sure, but the LS rosettes like the one on Tads LS-10 are nice. I'm not saying anything here to "ADD'' anything, just a chat.

    Hey Dotneck - not everyone is opposed to abalone, especially if the other option is std -03 rosette -

Shallow (4") body does add alot to playability for us old guys with bad shoulders from too many years of wrench-jockeying and hammer-swinging. It does detract a bit from sound depth, which is why the Ls body over the 00 body is nice, you get the additional interior volume to make up for it, plus the larger soundboard.

Tad
         DOTNECK, look over the intire thread and the 1st one. ONE THING through out has been a true small body Larrivee....ie a 4'' depth max. at the end pin. It is necessary for many of us, if not you then you are blessed. I just responded to a personal PM from another forum member interested in this guitar for that very reason.
         Plus this is a TRUE LS original size and the very intent of the 1st thread through this one was to have something no longer available. Frankly the larger depth body puts the specs within a fraction of an OM. That would not be near as "special'' in my view as the small body LS would be. This size may never be made again, outside of an order like this.
                                                                        Danny


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 07, 2008, 04:36:09 AM
Did  somebody say something?  :humour:
Yea, I think I heard something like 4 more to go(ld)  :humour:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 07, 2008, 07:05:44 AM
PHOTO OF THE NEW LARRIVEE FORUM III GUITAR   !!!


Got your attention yet ?   I just found some photos of a 2003 Larrivee LS-05.  It's slightly different than the one we are contemplating:   05 series instead of 03 so it's glossy instead of satin.   Also this one is a 14 fretter.  However the main thing you can see instantly is just what this size is compared to a 00-50 (It's labeled a 00-05 but I think that's a typo) and also compared to a parlor.    The 00-50 is on the left,  the LS-05 in the middle and the Parlor on the right


there are several more photos of this guitar on that webshots site.    this mahog / sitka LS-05 is lookin' pretty dang good.   Even the ablalone rosette looks ok.  Check it out if you are interested.


http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1205319195055361149VYEtIC

Now I'm really leaning towards the mahogany / Ital. Sp.     :whistling:



Tuffythepug






Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 07, 2008, 07:20:21 AM
Looks good! it looks like a beast! A good blues box!! :nanadance


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 07, 2008, 09:52:36 AM
It is beginning to look like we will have at lease 10 for each type (I have 10 pretty convinced buyers (within reason of price) on my RW list, and I know others are still awaiting the final spec).  I suppose as it is a custom order, we will have to decide upon a final list for each within this forum, in order to put the order to Jim.  That should come after the final price is established early next week.

It looks good now.   Thanks for posting the pics Tuffy - it looks like a sweet guitar, and the 12 fret will have a really classic traditional look IMHO.

Thanks everyonefor helping this project along.

It is going to be a long wait, however :ohmy:

Ben


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 07, 2008, 12:38:07 PM
It is going to be a long wait, however :ohmy:

Ben

Ben,

How long, not that it matters to me? I bet it won't come close to my current wait for my Rickenbacker which is currently estimated to be 9 months - 15 months from now.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 07, 2008, 12:42:12 PM
Ben,

How long, not that it matters to me? I bet it won't come close to my current wait for my Rickenbacker which is currently estimated to be 9 months - 15 months from now.

I feel your pain on that one.  I ordered a Lowden O35 about a year back, with a 6 month wait, and then had to cancel the order 5 months in for reasons outwith my control.  That was painful.  During the next month, however, things improved and I stumbled accross this forum, and was converted to larrivee, which were not very well known in the UK at that time (things have taken off in the last few months for Larrvee over here).  Every cloud has a silver lining they say.

I guess we will be looking around April - May time for the forum III - just my guess.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 07, 2008, 01:13:59 PM
I feel your pain on that one.  I ordered a Lowden O35 about a year back, with a 6 month wait, and then had to cancel the order 5 months in for reasons outwith my control.  That was painful.  During the next month, however, things improved and I stumbled accross this forum, and was converted to larrivee, which were not very well known in the UK at that time (things have taken off in the last few months for Larrvee over here).  Every cloud has a silver lining they say.

I guess we will be looking around April - May time for the forum III - just my guess.

Ben,

With my Ric, I just know it's coming. I don't spend any time thinking about it, because that will drive me crazy. Spring for the forum guitar would be really nice.. if that's what it turns out to be.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 07, 2008, 03:23:24 PM
Great pic's Tuffy.
 :coffee  :donut2


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 07, 2008, 03:54:29 PM
It is beginning to look like we will have at lease 10 for each type (I have 10 pretty convinced buyers (within reason of price) on my RW list, and I know others are still awaiting the final spec).  I suppose as it is a custom order, we will have to decide upon a final list for each within this forum, in order to put the order to Jim.  That should come after the final price is established early next week.

Ben

We will have to see about putting 2 orders for both spec, I only got 5 people who are interested(committed) and 1 unsure... whereas so many people voted in the pole thread...

Friends, If you want Mahogany B/S Please PM me!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 07, 2008, 03:58:27 PM
We will have to see about putting 2 orders for both spec, I only got 5 people who are interested(committed) and 1 unsure... whereas so many people voted in the pole thread...

Friends, If you want Mahogany B/S Please PM me!!

I imagine that folks voted even though they had no intention of going forward. Nothing wrong with that, except when you are trying to get a concrete figure.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 07, 2008, 04:02:55 PM
I imagine that folks voted even though they had no intention of going forward. Nothing wrong with that, except when you are trying to get a concrete figure.

I am afraid that might have happened..

Do we really have 16 people for IS/RW??

We should have at least 8 people for IS/HOG.. and 4 for HOG/HOG, 2 for sitka/hog..


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 07, 2008, 04:35:36 PM
    Thanks for the pics Tuffy, that is very helpfull, the bridge would be located towars the end pin like the 00, which I think will be another distinction.

      Jeff and Ben we will have solid forum numbers when the final price is known. At least we should have at that point.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 07, 2008, 04:37:16 PM
I have 10 on my list, + Jim wanted one for the shop.  Tuffy and Danny are on my list though, are they on yours too Jeff?  The 10 (apart from those two) are pretty secure IMO, subject to the price of course, which we hope will be OK.  I am sure at least one or two will join once the price is finalised and the order is pending.

I suggest Jeff, that once we have a definitive price, we PM everyone who has posted on the three threads and ask them yes or no, that way nobody can be missed out.  We could set a deadline at that stage, e.g. PM back within 48 hours if you want to be part of the order.  Maybe by the end of the week we might be in that position.

What thinks you of that suggestion?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 07, 2008, 04:38:36 PM
Ben,

With my Ric, I just know it's coming. I don't spend any time thinking about it, because that will drive me crazy. Spring for the forum guitar would be really nice.. if that's what it turns out to be.

Yes, that would be good timing. As it turns out this will be my 30th birthday present to myself. :)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 07, 2008, 04:46:13 PM
On the HOG list,

I have

GeeNorm
tuffythepug(buying two git? one for me!!? :nanadance) :humour:
kaos
trinity guitars
and myself

and Mr_LV19E if his other guitar is sold...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 07, 2008, 04:54:57 PM
   I think we can just post the pic here Tuffy linked  to previously, so I'll try and see.

(http://inlinethumb17.webshots.com/21008/1205319195055361149S425x425Q85.jpg) (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1205319195055361149VYEtIC)

    YEA, it worked, like T the P said it's the one in the middle. 00 on left and parlor on right. The bridge would be lower on ours, positioned more like the 00. Also I think the top would be the color of the parlor on the right.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 07, 2008, 04:55:27 PM

Danny
When were you ever out ?  :roll
By the way I hold you personally responsible for getting me into this forum guitar thing to begin with.   I was happy to stay on the sidelines, but noooooooooooooo.     :tongue:

Tuffythepug


Are you kidding me?  That's like saying, "oh honey, no I don't feel like sex tonight".  Yeah right.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 07, 2008, 05:02:55 PM
Danny:
thanks for the help with the pics.  That's what I was trying to do but didn't do it right.

Bluesman67:
Ok you got me.

es-335:
I'm not buying 2.   I t will be a big stretch to buy one.   Sorry

everyone else:
to clarify which list I'm on.   
my preference is Ital / hog
I will take Ital / rw if that is the only one available.

So I can be on either list but not both.

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 07, 2008, 05:17:44 PM
I have for RW/IS: -

Bluesman67 Lefty
Dependan
Timbutterfield (sorry I spelt it wrong)
Limnaphilidae
Ben
Ricky
Strawintogold
Tadol
– not 100% on RW – might take both!
Jim Holler


Please shout if you are on here and shouldn't be, or feel you should be on the list.

Hope this helps - it is only 9 becuase I took Tuffy off. 

Ben


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 07, 2008, 05:20:45 PM
   I think we can just post the pic here Tuffy linked  to previously, so I'll try and see.

(http://inlinethumb17.webshots.com/21008/1205319195055361149S425x425Q85.jpg) (http://home-and-garden.webshots.com/photo/1205319195055361149VYEtIC)

    YEA, it worked, like T the P said it's the one in the middle. 00 on left and parlor on right. The bridge would be lower on ours, positioned more like the 00. Also I think the top would be the color of the parlor on the right.

So is the body the same size as that, with the neck and bridge shifted, or is the body slightly longer too?  Is that a stupid question?  It is a sweet looking guitar, all the visual attraction of the L shape with a more useable size.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Queequeg on December 07, 2008, 05:21:45 PM
We will have to see about putting 2 orders for both spec, I only got 5 people who are interested(committed) and 1 unsure... whereas so many people voted in the pole thread...

I imagine that folks voted even though they had no intention of going forward. Nothing wrong with that, except when you are trying to get a concrete figure.
This, of course, seems inevitable. Imagine that when you voted, all of your preferences were in the minority. Do you suppose that you would go ahead anyway and order the guitar that you didn't want? I wouldn't.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 07, 2008, 05:25:46 PM
This, of course, seems inevitable. Imagine that when you voted, all of your preferences were in the minority. Do you suppose that you would go ahead anyway and order the guitar that you didn't want? I wouldn't.

Absolutely true, but I think the 25 pages of debate and the poll were probably necessary to ever get to a conclusion.  I hear that previous attempts to get to where we are now petered out pretty quickly.  I hope this will result in two orders, and everyone who is on board will get a truly great guitar out of it.  it is looking likely now to me.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 07, 2008, 05:35:17 PM
Ben,

Jim(trinity guitars) is getting 1 of each.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 07, 2008, 05:40:14 PM
Ben,

Jim(trinity guitars) is getting 1 of each.

Is that one each for him or one each for the shop.  He originally said (when we were looking at one order) he wanted one and one for the shop.  I'm confused. 


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 07, 2008, 05:56:18 PM
He is getting 1 for himself 1 for his shop. 1hog 1rw.

his preference is hog, but will get RW if that is the only one that is being made

Jeff


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 07, 2008, 06:02:18 PM
He is getting 1 for himself 1 for his shop. 1hog 1rw.

his preference is hog, but will get RW if that is the only one that is being made

Jeff

Thanks, that means the RW list is now 9.  Thanks Tuffy for defecting!! :humour:

I am sure one more can be convinced.

How many do you need Jeff, 4?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 07, 2008, 06:04:56 PM
"Thanks Tuffy for defecting!!"

Oh, man, that's so not how I read that sentance the first time through.


holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 07, 2008, 06:12:34 PM
your list doesn't have to go down to 9...

Jim is getting 1 of each..

but he will get a RW if RW is the only option...

and nothing has been changed on my list.

GeeNorm
tuffythepug(prefer hog, but will be okay with RW if that is the only choice)
kaos
trinity guitars
and myself


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 07, 2008, 06:22:03 PM
your list doesn't have to go down to 9...

Jim is getting 1 of each..

but he will get a RW if RW is the only option...

and nothing has been changed on my list.

GeeNorm
tuffythepug(prefer hog, but will be okay with RW if that is the only choice)
kaos
trinity guitars
and myself


I had Jim and Trinity Guitars on the list, so now it is down to just Jim.  I hope I have this right now.

Ben


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 07, 2008, 06:24:56 PM
"Thanks Tuffy for defecting!!"

Oh, man, that's so not how I read that sentance the first time through.


holly

HAHAHAHAHA

I never noticed that until you said.  My typing is awful too, thank goodness I spelt it right!!!!

Ben


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 07, 2008, 07:29:40 PM
I think once we have the final costs and possible builds from Larrivee via Jim Holler I'll lock this thread and start a new one, so we can zero in on who's really buying and what. I'll let this thread run until I see Ricky start that new thread. Please PM me when I should lock this historical discussion.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 07, 2008, 07:31:11 PM
I think once we have the final costs and possible builds from Larrivee via Jim Holler I'll lock this thread and start a new one, so we can zero in on who's really buying and what. I'll let this thread run until I see Ricky start that new thread. Please PM me when I should lock this historical discussion.

Good plan Randy - all the discussion is useful for just now.

ben


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 07, 2008, 09:36:26 PM
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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 07, 2008, 09:39:55 PM
:nanadance I WANT MY FORUM III BABY!!  :nanadance
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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 07, 2008, 09:43:56 PM

Thank you, Ben.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 07, 2008, 09:47:08 PM
Thank you, Ben.

seriously, your post made me laugh a lot


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 07, 2008, 09:59:05 PM
  I think you missed LawDogStringsAttach as a buyer. From what he has posted he is serious, but it is all still somewhat "fluff" until we have the price and final specs.
                     This will make it :+1:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: L-fan on December 07, 2008, 10:06:47 PM
I have opted-in to Jeff for an IS/Hog git, should there be enough folks for that.  No rosewood for me though, but I hope we can get 10 hogsters!   :cheers


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 07, 2008, 10:08:48 PM
  I think you missed LawDogStringsAttach as a buyer. From what he has posted he is serious, but it is all still somewhat "fluff" until we have the price and final specs.
                     This will make it :+1:

LawDogStringsAttach has posted three times on this thread, the middle of which said this

'LS-03 sounds great to me.  Tell me when to drop deposit!  Rosewood or mahogany would be great (please not sapele....please!) for price concerns; probably +1 on hog.  Italian top and abalone rosette would be my preferred extras...but that is it.  Short or long scale is no bother, but I hold to my earlier post that long scale would be better for tone on these specs.'

I think he made the $ list on that basis.  It is my impression that he is waiting until it is all sorted before committing, but that may make him join Jeff's Hog List.  

Maye he can post again to let us know where he stands - I know he has been logged on a few times since his last post.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 07, 2008, 10:16:12 PM
If I can make an assumption or two, just to set out where I understand us to be, the two lists may well be, subject to price and indivisuals confirmation (enough caveats?), the lists stand as this: -

HOG/IS

GeeNorm
tuffythepug lefty
kaos
trinity guitars
es-335
Mr_LV19E if his other guitar is sold...
L-Fan
LawDogStringsAttach


RW/IS

Bluesman67 Lefty
Dependan
Timbutterfield (sorry I spelt it wrong)
Limnaphilidae
Ben
Ricky
Strawintogold
Tadol – not 100% on RW – might take both!
Jim Holler


Getting very close now.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 07, 2008, 10:55:16 PM
we have 17 members wanting this thing to happen!!

Pretty awesome eh!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 07, 2008, 11:00:53 PM
we have 17 members wanting this thing to happen!!

Pretty awesome eh!

Kind of. But we don't have a quorum of 10 for each. I'm happy to see that the hog folks are going to get their ideal guitar as well.

Do we have enough folks sitting on the fence to have a solid order for IS/RW? And for IS/MG?

Cheers,

Adam


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 08, 2008, 12:11:41 AM
Well, if we don't have enough people for hog or RW.

RW will get built, as there are some members who are in "if hog doesn't work RW is fine" state.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Cybenator on December 08, 2008, 01:38:20 AM
Is there a reason why my IS/RW  vote is NOT be counted?  Sheesh, thought I had a fairly decent rep around there parts.... :humour:

Any idea when exact spec's will be posted?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 08, 2008, 01:49:25 AM
 Within the next two days we should have some firmed up information, I would think.  btw when the price is known if more get onboard I would prefer hog over RW. But only if the stats are there to proceed with both.
                                                              :nana_guitar the waiting will be the hardest part.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 08, 2008, 02:05:14 AM
Within the next two days we should have some firmed up information, I would think.  btw when the price is known if more get onboard I would prefer hog over RW. But only if the stats are there to proceed with both.
Danny, (Ben, Jeff & others) just gettin' back in.  Glad to see Ben & Jeff taking care of the list. That's what Jim is waiting for is the "somewhat" final committed count - the more numbers the better leverage we have in terms of production & especially DISCOUNT & "freebee" optional features.

I fee like writing Jean Larrivee a short letter to inform him about the Forum Git III rationale especially the 4" depth (following 1997 specs courtesy of mary).

What do you think? ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 08, 2008, 02:08:22 AM
If I can make an assumption or two, just to set out where I understand us to be, the two lists may well be, subject to price and indivisuals confirmation (enough caveats?), the lists stand as this: -

HOG/IS

GeeNorm
tuffythepug lefty
kaos
trinity guitars
es-335
Mr_LV19E if his other guitar is sold...
L-Fan
LawDogStringsAttach


RW/IS

Bluesman67 Lefty
Dependan
Timbutterworth
Limnaphilidae
Ben
Ricky
Strawintogold
Tadol – not 100% on RW – might take both!
Jim Holler


Getting very close now.

Hey Ben... wondering if missed Lynda "lyric_girl" for RW list?  Or did she back out?  Her only concern it seems is the neck side markers & she's fine w no markers on the frets but w special 3-dotted 12thFret marker.
ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 08, 2008, 02:12:48 AM
Ben & Jeff,

Thanks for pitching in with the lists... I appreciate your leadership.
Of course, what would we do without Tuffy, Tad, Danny, and other regulars who make this nut-farm interesting?  :humour:

Had a tough day! 
It's good to be here... though I wish the Forum is some kinda Cafe...ala Starbucks ambience where we can all sit, drink coffee like in a big living room
with our gits in tow...  kinda like bikers showing off their wheels & hangin' out...

Yeah... that's more like it. Here's for Ben & Jeff & others who wanna sit in & have a brew... 
:coffee :coffee :coffee :coffee :donut :donut :donut :donut2 :donut2 (these are Timmy's donuts as in Tim Horton's)

ricky :winkin:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 08, 2008, 02:13:50 AM
This, of course, seems inevitable. Imagine that when you voted, all of your preferences were in the minority. Do you suppose that you would go ahead anyway and order the guitar that you didn't want? I wouldn't.

I actually voted for Sitka/Rosewood...which isn't gonna happen


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 08, 2008, 02:15:35 AM
I actually voted for Sitka/Rosewood...which isn't gonna happen
Lynda... you already have that combo in Holly (the PV-09E not strawintogold), I got that in my OO-09 - that's why I'm okay with Italian Spruce, you? :?

Thought Ben may have missed you in the Rosewood list? :doh  You're on board right? ... at least that's the impression I gather.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 08, 2008, 02:19:28 AM
Lynda... you already have that combo in Holly (the PV-09E not strawintogold), I got that in my OO-09 - that's why I'm okay with Italian Spruce, you? :?

Thought Ben may have missed you in the Rosewood list? :doh  You're on board right? ... at least that's the impression I gather.

ricky

Yes, I realize that that is Holly's combination. When I first voted I had not idea what the Ital wood was, so I went with what I knew.

And yes, Ben missed me on his list. Of course this will come down to when we learn the final $, but so far, I'm with you.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 08, 2008, 02:20:50 AM
Thank you ricky for giving me the opportunity to help out.
 :donut :donut :donut :donut2 :donut2 :donut2


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 08, 2008, 02:31:05 AM
Danny, (Ben, Jeff & others) just gettin' back in.  Glad to see Ben & Jeff taking care of the list. That's what Jim is waiting for is the "somewhat" final committed count - the more numbers the better leverage we have in terms of production & especially DISCOUNT & "freebee" optional features.

I fee like writing Jean Larrivee a short letter to inform him about the Forum Git III rationale especially the 4" depth (following 1997 specs courtesy of mary).

What do you think? ricky

             Ricky, I would let Jim ask JCL about the 4'' small body.
      Also there seem to be a few more not on the lists yet, so it looks like 20 + overall will be interested when the price is known , if it is low enough. I figure about 15 will be solid on the low side right now.
             Also I have been contacted by another member interested if the price is right and I have a good feeling about this LS being something others won't want to pass up. So 20 is where it could easily end up, with the right rosette and price. ( kinda weird that a rosette is such a biggie, but we all have our thing we don't care for)
            I modified this post a bunch, sorry if you saw it at first and it confuses you now.         Danny


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 08, 2008, 05:23:29 AM
:nanadance I WANT MY FORUM III BABY!!  :nanadance
 :drool:  :drool:  :drool:   :drool:   :drool:   :drool:  :drool:  :drool:  :drool:  :drool:   :drool:   :drool:   :drool:  :drool:
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 :tongue:  :tongue:  :tongue:  :tongue:  :tongue:  :tongue:
 :ohmy:  :ohmy:  :ohmy:   :ohmy:  :ohmy:  :ohmy:  :ohmy:  :ohmy:
 :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:  :wink:
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 :bowdown: FORUM III  :bowdown: FORUM III  :bowdown: FORUM III  :bowdown: FORUM III  :bowdown: FORUM III  :bowdown: FORUM III
 :nanadance   :nanadance   :nanadance   :nanadance   :nanadance   :nanadance   :nanadance   :nanadance   :nanadance   :nanadance
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 :wave   :wave  :wave   :wave   :wave   :wave   :wave   :wave  :wave   :wave   :wave   :wave
 :+1:   :+1:   :+1:   :+1:   :+1: 
 :nice guitar:  :nice guitar:  :nice guitar:  :nice guitar:  :nice guitar:   :nice guitar:  :nice guitar:  :nice guitar:  :nice guitar:  :nice guitar:  :nice guitar:  :nice guitar:   :nice guitar:  :nice guitar:

 :gotdonuts:


Come on Joseph, get off the fence and let us know how you really feel.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 08, 2008, 05:29:42 AM
  btw when the price is known if more get onboard I would prefer hog over RW. But only if the stats are there to proceed with both.
                                                              :nana_guitar the waiting will be the hardest part.

That's pretty much my position as well.   I want to see this project succeed in producing a forum III guitar.  I'm willing to take my 2nd choice if that is necessary to get this done.  I don't mind being a more-or-less swing vote that can be used where needed.   I guess I'd even go along with the abalone rosette if Jean decided to throw that in like he did on the previous forum guitars.

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 08, 2008, 07:08:05 AM
We now have provisionally


HOG/IS

GeeNorm
tuffythepug lefty
kaos
trinity guitars
es-335
Mr_LV19E
L-Fan
LawDogStringsAttach
Dependan



RW/IS


Bluesman67 Lefty
Timbutterfield
dhill
Limnaphilidae
Ben
Ricky
Strawintogold
Tadol
Jim Holler
Dotneck
 

Thats 9 HOG and 10 RW now


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 08, 2008, 07:20:17 AM
I think I might have just recruited another potential buyer from the LeftyFrets forum.  He'll probably be visiting here and checking out this thread very soon.  He's very interested.   No.....I don't know if he's a rosewood or hog guy but please make him feel welcome if he joins in.   Watch for "Phil"
If he turns out to be a hog guy    :nana_guitar :nanadance :nana_guitar :nanadance :nana_guitar
We got ourselves an order for mahogany as well as rosewood.

You know what ?     THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN !

Tuffythepug  (doing my part for tonewood equality)   :bgrin:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 08, 2008, 08:48:49 AM
Timbutterfield - sincere apologies for getting your name wrong on previous posts, I happen to know somebody by my alternative name for you, and I guess i typed on autopilot, and cut and pasted the origninal list from there on.  I hope no offence is taken.

Lynda - major apologies for missing you off.  As has been discussed on this very thread, us men just don't listen!  No excuses.

I hope everyone is on the list that should be on.  Tuffy, your news would make it 10 and 10 for Hog and Rosewood.  I hope JCL agrees to two orders now!!

It has been suggested to me that we do little more in the way of organising until we have agreement and a final cost from JCL and Jim Holler.  I think this is probably prudent.  We have achieved the goal of showing that we can get the necessary numbers (provisionally at least).  Perhaps as Randy suggested, when the price, deposit, build time and agreement to two batches are secured, a new thread can be started for people to sign up to the idea officially.

Many thanks for all your support everyone.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 08, 2008, 08:55:00 AM
Thank you ricky for giving me the opportunity to help out.
 :donut :donut :donut :donut2 :donut2 :donut2

Ditto - this has been a blast! :coffee :coffee :coffee because it is early here!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 08, 2008, 01:15:54 PM
I think I might have just recruited another potential buyer from the LeftyFrets forum.  He'll probably be visiting here and checking out this thread very soon.  He's very interested.   No.....I don't know if he's a rosewood or hog guy but please make him feel welcome if he joins in.   Watch for "Phil"
If he turns out to be a hog guy    :nana_guitar :nanadance :nana_guitar :nanadance :nana_guitar
We got ourselves an order for mahogany as well as rosewood.

You know what ?                            This is gonna happen !

Tuffythepug  (doing my part for tonewood equality)   :bgrin:
                                                                               YEP


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on December 08, 2008, 01:39:49 PM
  I think you missed LawDogStringsAttach as a buyer. From what he has posted he is serious, but it is all still somewhat "fluff" until we have the price and final specs.
                     This will make it :+1:

Need price and no sapele.  :)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 08, 2008, 01:51:40 PM
Need price and no sapele.  :)

That is about what I thought, and hence why I put you onthe list with some reluctance.  I find it hard to believe that JCL would refer to Sapele as Hog, given that they even specify Sapele as SP on the labels now.  I hope I am not proved wrong there.  The price is the next critical bit, and will affect a few peoples decisions.  I will leave you on the Hog list for the time being if that is OK.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 08, 2008, 01:53:54 PM
Ben,

Please accept my sincere apologies, but I must withdraw my name from the Ital/Rosewood list. I am VERY sorry and just a lot upset, but $$$ is a problem. Unless of course, my husband gets a big enough bonus that I can use for it...not likely gonna happen, then you will need to take me off the list.

Again, I am very sorry and I hope the withdrawal of my name will not result in the guitar not going forward.

Lynda  :?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: flatlander on December 08, 2008, 01:59:06 PM
This thread is about to become #1 in number of replies is a mere week. About to pass creature's "what books are you reading" which has been open for over 2 years!

http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?action=stats


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 08, 2008, 02:02:47 PM
That's really bad news Lynda - sorry to hear it.  I'll take you off if you want, but rest assured that if and when this progresses either Ricky or myslef will be sure to PM you to see where you stand before any orders are placed.

Thank you for all your input too, really constructive.

If the stuffed with cash option is agreed by JCL, I'll buy you one!!

Keep smiling, and looking forward to your Ric


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 08, 2008, 02:19:58 PM
Ben,

Please accept my sincere apologies, but I must withdraw my name from the Ital/Rosewood list. I am VERY sorry and just a lot upset, but $$$ is a problem. Unless of course, my husband gets a big enough bonus that I can use for it...not likely gonna happen, then you will need to take me off the list.

Again, I am very sorry and I hope the withdrawal of my name will not result in the guitar not going forward.

Lynda  :?

Although it doesn't seem like it on this forum, there are lots of things more important than guitars Lynda, no need to apologize.  And don't forget, Jim is ordering one for his store.  :wink:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 08, 2008, 02:23:59 PM
That's really bad news Lynda - sorry to hear it.  I'll take you off if you want, but rest assured that if and when this progresses either Ricky or myslef will be sure to PM you to see where you stand before any orders are placed.

Thank you for all your input too, really constructive.

If the stuffed with cash option is agreed by JCL, I'll buy you one!!

Keep smiling, and looking forward to your Ric

Ben,

You are very sweet! Thank you. I haven't told the husband that I am bowing out of this, however, that being said, I am sure he will be thrilled.

Thanks,

Lynda


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: L-fan on December 08, 2008, 02:43:03 PM
This list of ours is built on conditions that all of us have to participate.  The biggest, of course is the 4" max body depth.  If JCL comes back saying that the 4" depth is not possible, then probably this forum III guitar will die a proud and valiant death (for now).  I am very excited for a 12 fret LS body hog git, and I have a feeling that this will have a happy ending.  4" body, 12 fret, hog, and price at or close to what was previously estimated would make me very happy!   :thumb


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 08, 2008, 03:14:41 PM
For info, the list I posted near the foot of P27 has been updated.  I have taken off people's conditions, as the list is entirely provisional to give an indication of current support.  we need prices and specs from Larrivee before it goes much further.  I have also amended my spelling!!!  I am happy to keep updating that list as more posts appear, if that is helpful.

Ben

L-fan, I know about the preference for the shallow body, a few folk are dependent on that fact like you say.  Another reason why nobody expects commitment at this stage.  Hopefully we will know soon enough.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 08, 2008, 03:27:04 PM
This list of ours is built on conditions that all of us have to participate.  The biggest, of course is the 4" max body depth.  If JCL comes back saying that the 4" depth is not possible, then probably this forum III guitar will die a proud and valiant death (for now).  I am very excited for a 12 fret LS body hog git, and I have a feeling that this will have a happy ending.  4" body, 12 fret, hog, and price at or close to what was previously estimated would make me very happy!   :thumb
I know 4" depth is an important spec for some, I hope it's 4" too, but the Forum III will survive a spec mod if there is one...I may even order 2 and hope 1 is stuffed w/ money!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 08, 2008, 03:31:29 PM
I know 4" depth is an important spec for some, I hope it's 4" too, but the Forum III will survive a spec mod if there is one...I may even order 2 and hope 1 is stuffed w/ money!

JCL demanded a std spec for the order, so if one is stuffed with cash, they both should be!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: L-fan on December 08, 2008, 03:33:30 PM
Perhaps I overestimate the importance of any one spec.  I don't mean to sound pessimistic, because I actually feel the opposite, and will be putting my archtop up for sale soon to make myself ready and able to write that check when that anticipated day comes.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bhika on December 08, 2008, 08:00:19 PM
WOW, 4 1/2 hours and no one has posted to this thread.

I guess at this point everyone is just waiting to hear from JCL via Jim at Trinity Guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 08, 2008, 08:13:44 PM
WOW, 4 1/2 hours and no one has posted to this thread.

I guess at this point everyone is just waiting to hear from JCL via Jim at Trinity Guitar

Thanks for ruining the peace.  :tongue:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Blue in VT on December 08, 2008, 08:26:23 PM
 :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

I'm really happy to see this coming along so well...sounds like you have anice guitar coming together...I was away from my computer for the last 4 days and came back to find 12 more pages of posts to read!!!  thats nutty took me more than an hour to sift through it.

Can't wait to see how this pans out...hats off to all... :thumbsup

Unless my job situation (or lack there of... :?) changes in the near future I'll have keep my eyes out for a used one in the future.

Cheers,

Blue


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: dhill on December 08, 2008, 10:15:15 PM
I've just checked in after awhile away. I'm interested in this forum guitar, and will keep an eye out for final sign up.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 08, 2008, 10:21:05 PM
I've just checked in after awhile away. I'm interested in this forum guitar, and will keep an eye out for final sign up.

Given that it looks like the majority are keen on the Italian Spruce top, what back and side material would be you ideal back and side material, rosewood or mahogany?

Ben


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: dhill on December 08, 2008, 10:26:12 PM
Italian top would be fine, rosewood b/s would be fine as well. I'm slightly confused about size, though. Is this an LS or 00?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 08, 2008, 10:31:22 PM
LS, welcome to the party BTW.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 08, 2008, 10:34:09 PM
Italian top would be fine, rosewood b/s would be fine as well. I'm slightly confused about size, though. Is this an LS or 00?

We are proposing an LS 12 fret body. For a time we discussed a short scale too, and although some are still keen, we have been advised that it might be detrimental to the sound.  It was also a $200 upcharge.  I understand that most have agreed to standard scale length.  One thing that remains is the depth.  1990s LS bodies were only 4" deep, but they were increased to 4 1/2" later on, like the OM body.  We are seeking the 4" depth if at all possible.  JCL has agreed to do this for us if we get 10 people to order.  We now have almost 20, split 50/50 between Hog and Rosewood, so we are hopeful of two orders.

Tuffy posted some pics of the LS body a few pages back - imagine it in 12 fret guise if you can.

Hope this helps - should be a special guitar.

Ben  


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 08, 2008, 10:35:55 PM
Shall I add you to the provisional list on the ealier page dhill, just to make sure you are not overlooked if things move on?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: dhill on December 08, 2008, 10:38:43 PM
Add me to the provisional list. I would prefer the 4" depth. I assume this is all depending on final price? What is the rosette? Is there the chance for upgraded tuners? Sorry if this is redundant, but boy are there alot of pages of info...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 08, 2008, 10:49:16 PM
   Bailing wire rosette, used kluson tuners from old gibbys and a Stella LOGO :wacko:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 08, 2008, 10:55:03 PM
I just typed a comprehensive response, and timed out and lost it all.  AARRRRGGGGHHHH!

Start again!!

The details will be finalised after the price is given to us.

So far, we have discussed but not agreed, but I think the majority position is something like this: -

Rosette - not std 03 type, but not abalone (JCL put abalone rosettes on as a surprise the last time I understand) - wood has been discussed, and an example of spalted maple shown - very nice too.
Fretboard - clear of markers (which will be on the binding as usual) bar the 12th fret, which will have three dots, or the roman numerals III to signify the forum guitar III.
Similarly, unique label, perhaps FORUM GUITAR III - No # of 10.
Unusual headstock, ideally the old JCL logo - most folk like that a lot.
Maybe rosewood headstock too.
satin finish, so like an 03 in that respect, but this will look very good with the very light Itialian Spruce, in my opinion anyway.
Upgrade to Gotoh 510s or Schallers has been mentioned by a few.  The most recent 12th Fret special OM-03 had Gotoh's on it - so it is not unreasonable to ask.

I hope this is an accurate enough summary

Thrilled to have you on board!!

Ben


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 08, 2008, 11:09:32 PM
Just waiting for Ricky to come on with some good news............. :whistling:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 08, 2008, 11:27:15 PM
For a time we discussed a short scale too, and although some are still keen, we have been advised that it might be detrimental to the sound.  It was also a $200 upcharge.  I understand that most have agreed to standard scale length.  

 I think it is inaccurate and misleading to say the short scale is detrimental to the sound -- there are to many very expensive ($5000 - $15,000) OO size, 12 fret, short scale guitars by well respected companies.  I agree the volume may be slightly less then with a standard scale, and I assume that was the basis for Jim Holler's comment that he recommended the standard scale, but I believe the short scale tone would still be great.

I would still like to know what JCL says the actual extra cost of the short scale is. If it is significant, e.g. like the $200 guesstimate, I fully understand the decision to stay with the longer scale.

Just my $.02

Thx,
Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 08, 2008, 11:32:08 PM
I think it is inaccurate and misleading to say the short scale is detrimental to the sound -- there are to many very expensive ($5000 - $15,000) OO size, 12 fret, short scale guitars by well respected companies.  I agree the volume may be slightly less then with a standard scale, and I assume that was the basis for Jim Holler's comment that he recommended the standard scale, but I believe the tone would still be great.

I would still like to know what JCL says the actual extra cost of the short scale is. If it is significant, e.g. like the $200 guesstimate, I fully understand the decision to stay with the longer scale.

Just my $.02

Thx,
Al


OOOO, I knew I would say something wrong in that post - sorry.  the $200 came from JH following dicsussion with Larivee - it isn't a guestimate.

Sorry about the short scale comment, I am trying to relay information beyond my understanding, should've worded it better.

Ben


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 08, 2008, 11:41:23 PM

OOOO, I knew I would say something wrong in that post - sorry.  the $200 came from JH following discussion with Larivee - it isn't a guesstimate.

Sorry about the short scale comment, I am trying to relay information beyond my understanding, should've worded it better.

Ben

Ben -- I greatly appreciate all the work you are doing for us on this effort! I just wanted to make sure all is clear, at least as I understand it. I do believe that the costs reported were identified as estimates ( however, I'm not sure whose estimates, JCL's or Jim's).

Thx,
Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 08, 2008, 11:59:49 PM
I think I might have just recruited another potential buyer from the LeftyFrets forum.  He'll probably be visiting here and checking out this thread very soon.  He's very interested.   No.....I don't know if he's a rosewood or hog guy but please make him feel welcome if he joins in.   Watch for "Phil"
If he turns out to be a hog guy    :nana_guitar :nanadance :nana_guitar :nanadance :nana_guitar
We got ourselves an order for mahogany as well as rosewood.

You know what ?     THIS IS GONNA HAPPEN !

Tuffythepug  (doing my part for tonewood equality)   :bgrin:

It's kinda funny to quote yourself.  :laughin:

anyhow, this will be good news for es-335.....
I just communicated with my recruit from the Lefty Frets forum.   His preference is Ital / hog.
He'll likely be visiting the forum tonight to begin reading the thread.   I predict it will take him all night to get through it.  :laughin:   If you're reading this, Phil, you are almost to the end !
so...............I guess we are one step closer to the goal of a dual orders of rw & Hog both with Ital. tops
Please give Phil a warm welcome if he shows up won't you ?

Tuffythepug



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: dhill on December 09, 2008, 12:01:48 AM
Thanks for the info (and obvious hard work) Ben, it sounds good to me. Guess I'll just loiter and see what finalizes.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 09, 2008, 12:09:03 AM

THIS IS FROM THE POST WE HAD LAST WEEK ON COST FROM RICKY



SCALE: The 24" short scale is a $200 upcharge. Jim Holler recommends the Regular Scale ideal for this Forum Git   
TOP: The Italian Spruce is a $125 upcharge.     I believe most committed will be okay with this Italian 125 upcharge, correct?    If we drop Italian, LIFE will get complicated again! (lots of threads to read)
TONEWOOD:   As of last night, RW is the winner.   (LAST FRIDAY)
Depth:   Jim hopes JCL agrees to 4"  ==>   But this is what the Forum Git III is all about... bringing back an out-of-production 1st ed. LS (1997 specs - thanks mary)

Price: We should be easily in the 1000-1200 range as long as we do not... REPEAT ...  DO NOT go crazy on extras!

                  I just extracted the details re: price/options and basic specs. I hope this helps and not raises more ?s
                                                                         Danny


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 09, 2008, 12:26:43 AM
THIS IS FROM THE POST WE HAD LAST WEEK ON COST FROM RICKY



SCALE: The 24" short scale is a $200 upcharge. Jim Holler recommends the Regular Scale ideal for this Forum Git   
TOP: The Italian Spruce is a $125 upcharge.     I believe most committed will be okay with this Italian 125 upcharge, correct?    If we drop Italian, LIFE will get complicated again! (lots of threads to read)
TONEWOOD:   As of last night, RW is the winner.   (LAST FRIDAY)
Depth:   Jim hopes JCL agrees to 4"  ==>   But this is what the Forum Git III is all about... bringing back an out-of-production 1st ed. LS (1997 specs - thanks mary)

Price: We should be easily in the 1000-1200 range as long as we do not... REPEAT ...  DO NOT go crazy on extras!

                  I just extracted the details re: price/options and basic specs. I hope this helps and not raises more ?s
                                                                         Danny

You are right -- found the above post on page 23.  It must have been an earlier post where Ricky cautioned us that costs were only estimates -- couldn't quickly find that one, but it no longer matters.

Thanks for the info.

Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: 58clipper on December 09, 2008, 12:28:43 AM
Gentleman--

Count me in if it is Standard scale length and not short scale. I like the idea of Spruce/Rosewood with Maple Binding. I'd like a gloss finish on the body only, but satin is not a deal-breaker for me. I don't mean to open another can of worms, but has anyone expressed interest in a Sunburst finish? What about electronics?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 09, 2008, 12:38:11 AM
Gentleman--

Count me in if it is Standard scale length and not short scale. I like the idea of Spruce/Rosewood with Maple Binding. I'd like a gloss finish on the body only, but satin is not a deal-breaker for me. I don't mean to open another can of worms, but has anyone expressed interest in a Sunburst finish? What about electronics?
I like the maple binding also.  I wouldn't want a sunburst finish.  It would add to the cost and hide the pretty italian spruce.  No electrics for mine, thanks, but I would guess that Jim may be able to add those if you want them.

Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 09, 2008, 12:43:24 AM
Gentleman--

Count me in if it is Standard scale length and not short scale. I like the idea of Spruce/Rosewood with Maple Binding. I'd like a gloss finish on the body only, but satin is not a deal-breaker for me. I don't mean to open another can of worms, but has anyone expressed interest in a Sunburst finish? What about electronics?

They're trying to keep down the cost.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 09, 2008, 01:03:29 AM
Gentleman--

Count me in if it is Standard scale length and not short scale. I like the idea of Spruce/Rosewood with Maple Binding. I'd like a gloss finish on the body only, but satin is not a deal-breaker for me. I don't mean to open another can of worms, but has anyone expressed interest in a Sunburst finish? What about electronics?

Standard scale length was the decision. I don't think electronics or Sunburst is on the table for consideration at this point. One goal is to keep the price down as much as possible, and all guitars in a set of 10 (or more) have to be the same. Hmmmmm.....if I could find 10 who wanted short scale despite the upcharge ......    :)

Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: 58clipper on December 09, 2008, 01:10:13 AM
Ok, I'll shelf the Sunburst dream. No electronics is not a problem, I was just checking. What is the next step?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 09, 2008, 01:15:39 AM
58clipper
a few thoughts regarding your post:

Scale length will probably be regular (long) scale rather than short:  cheaper and more popular

Larrivee sunbursts are terriffic but add several hundred dollars to the price.  We have to standardize the spec in order to get it ok'd for production by JCL.   Higher price would be deal-breaker for many of us.

This guitar will probably be a Canadian rather than US made item and they do not do the gloss treatment at the Canadian faclitiy (Nor do they do sunbursts there I believe)

Electronics would be best left for aftermarket purchase so they can be provided and installed by either Jim Holler at Trinity when he does his individual setup for each guitar ( which includes a bone saddle I believe)  or  by yourself after you receive your forum III.   There are too many different preferences in the electronics for it to be a forum III spec.

Maple binding as on standard 03 models would be fine with most of us I think.   rosette has been a topic of much conversation though.   Most would rather not have anything real fancy.

Hope you can see your way to going along with the final spec.    It's gonna be rather special.

Uh Oh,  I see you've already responded.  Here's some info anyway.

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluwood on December 09, 2008, 01:21:53 AM
Hi All, I'm new here @ the Larri forum and heard about this Forum  guitar from Tuffy on the Lefty Forum. So I thought I would drop by and see what all the hype was about. This guitar sounds like it will be a real nice one, I'm really not in the market for another guitar but as I told Tuffy I won't say never. Before I through my hat into the ring I would like to know what the cost would be, if its in the 1000-1200 range I may have to give this some serious thought. I could probably swing either way for Hog or Rosewood. Thanks and I'll keep watching. Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 09, 2008, 01:24:47 AM
Hi All, I'm new here @ the Larri forum and heard about this Forum  guitar from Tuffy on the Lefty Forum. So I thought I would drop by and see what all the hype was about. This guitar sounds like it will be a real nice one, I'm really not in the market for another guitar but as I told Tuffy I won't say never. Before I through my hat into the ring I would like to know what the cost would be, if its in the 1000-1200 range I may have to give this some serious thought. I could probably swing either way for Hog or Rosewood. Thanks and I'll keep watching. Tim

Tim welcome. We don't know what the final cost is gonna be yet, but I believe this is coming shortly. As for you're not in the market for another guitar... LOL GAS is a very bad thing.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: LookingForLarri on December 09, 2008, 01:30:06 AM
Greetings all,

  I don't hang out here to much anymore, but the discussion of another forum guitar brought me back for a look. Depending on how the final specs flush out I could be interested in a RW model.

 I bought a Forum II last time from Jason and it was an awesome guitar.  I trading it for a SCGC OM short scale and still miss it, but I could not pass up the Santa Cruz. 

 Put me down for the RW model..

 :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 01:42:34 AM
Breaking News

I received a phonecall from Jim Holler with some great news!   The final price & deposit amounts is known. We should know by tomorrow.
He thought we wanted a 12th fret inlay. I told him it's either simply 3 dots or Roman Numeral III on the 12th - so that may very well be doable.

I am pasting Jim's email to me.

Rats.... I'll have to keep you guys in suspense... as I'm using a Mac notebook and I'm not used to the Copy / Paste commands here.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ciscokid on December 09, 2008, 01:42:57 AM
Hello All,

I have enjoyed watching this all unfold and appreciate the efforts to make Forum III a reality.  If the price comes in fairly reasonable, I am hoping to add my name to the Spruce/Mahogany crew.

Thanks.

Cisco


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 02:00:51 AM
Breaking News...  as of Monday Dec 8, I received a phonecall from Jim 5:30pm Mountain Time.

Sorry for the delay... switched to my slower Windows notebook that I'm more familiar with...

Here's Jim's email to me...  as for the 12th Fret markers... that should be doable but may be not if it's an intricate inlay.   1 more thing - NO pyramids on bridge.

Ricky,  I just got off the phone with Larrivee. I think I have very good news. I asked if we could go for three tone wood combinations:
1) Rosewood and Italian Spruce
2) South American Mahogany and Italian Spruce
3) South American Mahogany and Mahogany top. ( no up charge for the MT top ) This is the one I will get!
  Larrivee AGREED to the mix so long as we get 16 guitars total. This is great news. 
  I have seen the idea of an inlay at the 12 fret on the forum and asked for that. I do not think we will get it but it is under consideration. The 4" depth is confirmed. Larrivee will send me detailed body dimensions in the next day or so. I do have all the information I need to finalize the pricing. I am to tired to do this tonight so I will look at it first thing in the morning. A fresh pot of coffee will help!
Thank you
Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars


We should still be in the 1000-1200 range. Remember, the magic number is 16 - and 3 tonewood combos. If in doubt, please read Jim's email slowly.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: aardvark on December 09, 2008, 02:04:46 AM
This is my first time on this board and is a followup to a conversation I had with Tuffythepug at Leftfrets.net. in regard to a Larrivee Forum guitar the specs of which he has made me familar with.   As I told him, this sounds like an interesting box and I would be interested.  He said something about Italian spruce and mahogany, sounds good to me, do you have room for another?  BTW, I'm  left handed and play that way.  Wow, you got spell check!  Neat!:donut


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: L-fan on December 09, 2008, 02:07:42 AM
4" depth?  Yes!
Three tonewood combos?  Yes!

Wow!!!
 :nanadance :bgrin: :nanadance

GREAT JOB EVERYONE!!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Blue in VT on December 09, 2008, 02:11:10 AM
Just a question here...is Larrivee saying 16 or more...or just 16?

hhhmmmm....I assume the former....

Blue


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 09, 2008, 02:15:11 AM
Crap, now I'm conflicted,lol. I have TWO MT guitars. Can't justify another, can't justify another..

With the S. American getting harder and harder and never more in a 03, I'm going to defect to the mahogany and IS camp. This is me making a PRUDENT decision.

Now, that being said, is the only difference between this and a regular 03 going to be the LS body?

ANy word on the deposit?

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 09, 2008, 02:16:43 AM
I'd imagine it's 16 minimum. I can't see any business going 'Oh, sorry, we can't sell more." lol

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 02:17:40 AM
Just a question here...is Larrivee saying 16 or more...or just 16?

hhhmmmm....I assume the former....

Blue
Blue... it's 16 or more...  I don't think anyone will complain if it was more than 16.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 09, 2008, 02:22:51 AM


Now, that being said, is the only difference between this and a regular 03 going to be the LS body?



12 fret design is different.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 02:23:22 AM
aardvark, Tim, Phil and all of Tuffy's friends from the LeftyForum... oh yeah... Cisco & 1 other chap couple pages back interested in sunburst - forgot your id... hello!

Welcome to the NutHouse called Larrivee Forum.  Sure glad you folks are interested to have the Forum Git III.

3 choices now as you read in Jim Holler's email.  Should know the Price & Deposit requirements by tomorrow, Lord willing.

Here's some cyber Starbucks  :coffee :coffee :coffee :coffee and some Tim Horton's donuts  :donut :donut :donut :donut & Krspy Kreme :donut2 :donut2 :donut2.

eh? (yuppers, Canadian here) ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 09, 2008, 02:30:02 AM
aardvark, Tim, Phil and all of Tuffy's friends from the LeftyForum... oh yeah... Cisco & 1 other chap couple pages back interested in sunburst - forgot your id... hello!

Welcome to the NutHouse called Larrivee Forum.  Sure glad you folks are interested to have the Forum Git III.

3 choices now as you read in Jim Holler's email.  Should know the Price & Deposit requirements by tomorrow, Lord willing.

Here's some cyber Starbucks  :coffee :coffee :coffee :coffee and some Tim Horton's donuts  :donut :donut :donut :donut & Krspy Kreme :donut2 :donut2 :donut2.

eh? (yuppers, Canadian here) ricky

Ricky,

You're such a Canadian...eh...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 09, 2008, 02:44:02 AM
                      Well........... I only got one thang ta say


                                             
:guitarYAHOO !!! :guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bscur on December 09, 2008, 02:47:46 AM
I've been following this with interest. I like it all except the satin finish. Do you think they would make one and leave it raw wood so I could put a gloss finish on it (nitro lacquer like I spray on the electrics I make)?  Maybe that is absurd, just a thought.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 09, 2008, 02:49:58 AM
I've been following this with interest. I like it all except the satin finish. Do you think they would make one and leave it raw wood so I could put a gloss finish on it (nitro lacquer like I spray on the electrics I make)?  Maybe that is absurd, just a thought.
                   YEP, that would be absurd. There is a way to gloss a satin model that is very inexpensive and looks very nice.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 02:54:06 AM
Just got home from costco...

and I can't believe JCL has agreed to do 3combos!!!!


No brainer for me.. MT ALL THE WAY!!!!!!



HURRAY!!!!!!!  :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance

have some timmy's Ricky, thanks for the good news :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :coffee :coffee :coffee :coffee :coffee :coffee :coffee :coffee :coffee :coffee

and cheers to all :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 02:57:13 AM
for the short scale vs long scale...

do we have to all match on one scale??


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 09, 2008, 02:57:59 AM
 :nice guitar:

 :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :? :?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bscur on December 09, 2008, 03:00:08 AM
You are probably right. I mean, I could do it- here is one I built this one from scratch. But I suppose it would be better to go with the standard route. Side note- is a pyramid bridge purely cosmetic, or does it have a slight impact on tone?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v327/bscur/new067.jpg)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 09, 2008, 03:02:57 AM
Just got home from costco...

and I can't believe JCL has agreed to do 3combos!!!!


No brainer for me.. MT ALL THE WAY!!!!!!



HURRAY!!!!!!!  :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance

have some timmy's Ricky, thanks for the good news :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :donut2 :coffee :coffee :coffee :coffee :coffee :coffee :coffee :coffee :coffee :coffee

and cheers to all :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers :cheers
I had no idea you wanted a hogtop. LOL.  Great news!!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 09, 2008, 03:04:51 AM
     Here come the men with a little white sleeveless coat. RUN JEFF :tongue:
for the short scale vs long scale...

do you have to all match on one scale??

There is not going to be a short scale!!! Unless you confuse us all again and stir up the whole process.
           This is why I could never be a teacher, no patience and having to say the same thing over and over.

      Bscur :  A raw guitar would get to you with blemishes all over it if you had it shipped. AND this IS NOT A SHORT ORDER CAFE. It's a forum guitar.


                               Shut this thread down and let's get this thing over with.   AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :wacko:

holly I am borrowing your line..."What doesn't make you stronger, kills you."


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 03:10:04 AM
I am fine with the std scale :) (not wanting the upcharge :tongue:)

but I seem to remember that there was a member saying "short scale or I am out.."

But I do agree that randy should lock this one up


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bscur on December 09, 2008, 03:10:25 AM
I should keep my musings to myself. I imagine it quite a feat to get everyone to agree on so many things. The final result seem very nice and I've enjoyed reading about it.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 09, 2008, 03:14:43 AM
Welcome my buddies from LeftyFrets.   You will find this a great place to spend some time.

Wow...........3 wood combinations to choose from.  I'm afraid I may have to eschew (you like that word ?) the Italian Spruce and go HOG WILD now that I know that's an option.    This is the biggest news since the hogs ate grandma !

tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 09, 2008, 03:19:22 AM
Tuffy,

I just never know what to expect from you.  :humour:

...the biggest news since the hogs ate grandma! :tongue:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 03:23:22 AM
as for the rosette, I am not so worried about it :) I'll leave it up to you guys..

12fret inlay, I like 3 micro dots idea.. or standard micro dot inlay is good for me as well :)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 09, 2008, 03:24:43 AM
I should keep my musings to myself. I imagine it quite a feat to get everyone to agree on so many things. The final result seem very nice and I've enjoyed reading about it.
                 I am sorry, this is like a my dream Larrivee. And think about this.
  Jean Larrivee went and scored this stash of Italian Spruce...I've seen it and it is nice. He puts all the tops together, he invented the LS guitar and has agreed to make it to the original specs. This to me is tatamount to getting a custom guitar made by C.F.Martin. OK you may argue that point, but I don't care for any nose in the air high minded answers to this statement.
                  This is HISTORY, and we who are in this thing will have part of the Larrivee history. I think it was holly who said that this may only be like an OM-03 or something like that. No offense to you holly I know the sense you were portraying, but just as an example OM-03 vs this LS-03 FORUM III 12 fret with Ital top. No standard OM-03 will be in the same class. This is special.... Like one of the realy nice 12th fret gits. Only we did it... And I mean all of us including Jim Holler. Whom I have never met and have never bought a git from, but I had a feeling he was the man for this deal.
                                Like I said before YAHOO !!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 09, 2008, 03:27:22 AM
Ricky,  I just got off the phone with Larrivee. I think I have very good news. I asked if we could go for three tone wood combinations:
1) Rosewood and Italian Spruce
2) South American Mahogany and Italian Spruce
3) South American Mahogany and Mahogany top. ( no up charge for the MT top ) This is the one I will get!
  Larrivee AGREED to the mix so long as we get 16 guitars total. This is great news.

Yes, that's great news.  Thanks, Jim.  Now I have to re-decide all over again.    :bgrin:

With just an italian spruce top, the choice was easier.  Now, I have to choose against a hog top.  That's harder.  I've never had one.  My OM-10 is spruce/rosewood.  My P-09 is spruce/quilted maple.  A hog top would make this one more different than what I have.  I am definitely on the list.  I'm just sure which list that is.   Hmmm...   :?

I'm sure there is probably a thread around here somewhere to explain the MT attraction.

Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 09, 2008, 03:28:28 AM
Wow and double wow.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 09, 2008, 03:29:37 AM
Wow and double wow.
                                                         YEP


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 09, 2008, 03:36:35 AM
I'm sure there is probably a thread around here somewhere to explain the MT attraction.


Think of it like an old Stella....a cheap old blues axe. Hog tops used to be done because they were cheap...and kind of became the voice of country blues. I put my 12 fret forOM guitar into open tuning and it sounds too pretty for slide and blues. The hog top should fill that bill nicely. About 18 pages ago somebody said the RW/IS  LS would make a great blues guitar. I'm not so sure...I also think it may have too pretty a voice for traditional blues. Italian Spruce (which some say is just another name for German Spruce or European Spruce) is a favorite top for classical guitars. i thik the hog top will be a different voice than the IS.

Of course, this is my opinion and YMMV.



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: 58clipper on December 09, 2008, 04:04:27 AM
Overall, wow. Count me in! Aside from obsessing over the wood decision, what do I do now to place my order?
And, THANK YOU, to whoever started this idea.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 04:05:26 AM
RW is too pretty for me...

I do believe that Hog suits better for good ol' blues!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 09, 2008, 04:06:36 AM
Breaking News...  as of Monday Dec 8, I received a phonecall from Jim 5:30pm Mountain Time.

Sorry for the delay... switched to my slower Windows notebook that I'm more familiar with...

Here's Jim's email to me...  as for the 12th Fret markers... that should be doable but may be not if it's an intricate inlay.   1 more thing - NO pyramids on bridge.

Ricky,  I just got off the phone with Larrivee. I think I have very good news. I asked if we could go for three tone wood combinations:
1) Rosewood and Italian Spruce
2) South American Mahogany and Italian Spruce
3) South American Mahogany and Mahogany top. ( no up charge for the MT top ) This is the one I will get!
  Larrivee AGREED to the mix so long as we get 16 guitars total. This is great news. 
  I have seen the idea of an inlay at the 12 fret on the forum and asked for that. I do not think we will get it but it is under consideration. The 4" depth is confirmed. Larrivee will send me detailed body dimensions in the next day or so. I do have all the information I need to finalize the pricing. I am to tired to do this tonight so I will look at it first thing in the morning. A fresh pot of coffee will help!
Thank you
Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars


We should still be in the 1000-1200 range. Remember, the magic number is 16 - and 3 tonewood combos. If in doubt, please read Jim's email slowly.

ricky


This is terrific news!

For the record, my preference is still Italian Spruce with Rosewood. However, I am VERY happy that everyone is getting their tonal preferences.

I have a practical question with regards to the pricing, should we go to Jim directly? If so, I think it would be prudent to give time a list of our email addresses all at once so we could take the pricing off the forum. Also, it would make it easier for Jim and yourself to communicate with us all at once.

For those who will eventually need pricing information, you can email me at my gmail account and I'll send an email to Jim with our email info. I will likely cc everyone openly unless someone wants their email hidden from all but Jim Holler. I would ask that if we do this, we keep chatter on the email thread to a bare minimum; no one wants endless emails and it's difficult to sort through. Conversations can occur on the forum (it's more useful to everyone anyway) and we should only use the email for pricing. Ricky, if you want to do this instead then go ahead.

My email address is adam DOT muise AT gmail DOT com  

Please note: I DO NOT having pricing info, I am just offering to help organize the pricing email to help Ricky and Ben out. That's assuming you folks trust me with your emails addresses.  :whistling:

Cheers,

Adam


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 04:08:35 AM
I will post my email address.

wonderfulremark AT gmail DOT come


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 09, 2008, 04:41:40 AM
Overall, wow. Count me in! Aside from obsessing over the wood decision, what do I do now to place my order?
And, THANK YOU, to whoever started this idea.

Just watch the forum...eventually we'll get pricing and orders will be going through Trinity Guitars. This has been moving pretty quickly and I'd imagine Jim will have a plan for taking orders within the next week or two.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 05:03:12 AM
                              Shut this thread down and let's get this thing over with.   AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH :wacko:
As hard as it is for this Forum addict to stay away, I've been trying to keep my comments to a minimum.  :whistling:
I guess it helps being busy... oh wait, more like preoccupied this past weekend.
ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 09, 2008, 05:06:08 AM
Think of it like an old Stella....a cheap old blues axe. Hog tops used to be done because they were cheap...and kind of became the voice of country blues. I put my 12 fret forOM guitar into open tuning and it sounds too pretty for slide and blues. The hog top should fill that bill nicely. About 18 pages ago somebody said the RW/IS  LS would make a great blues guitar. I'm not so sure...I also think it may have too pretty a voice for traditional blues. Italian Spruce (which some say is just another name for German Spruce or European Spruce) is a favorite top for classical guitars. i thik the hog top will be a different voice than the IS.

Of course, this is my opinion and YMMV.
Thanks for the info.  I don't do a lot of blues.  I'm mostly learning fingerstyle and classical, but may get the MT anyway just because it is more different than what I already have.  I'll probably be debating with myself over this one until I run out of time and then just flip a coin.    :bgrin:

Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 05:08:23 AM
but I seem to remember that there was a member saying "short scale or I am out.."

That would be ARK-Al if I remember correctly.

As for Randy to lock this thing up? That's what I've been suggesting since Saturday... but I guess, it's just as well to stay open because other new interested folks
like Tuffy's buddies are given the chance to jump right in.

People should just stop talking about Specs.   Could we have the Specs Info of the Forum Git III at the top of every page - like the Poll thread?

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 05:19:20 AM
Overall, wow. Count me in! Aside from obsessing over the wood decision, what do I do now to place my order?
And, THANK YOU, to whoever started this idea.

Just state which Forum Git III ==>
RW (IS,RW)
Hog,(IS,Hog)
MT (all hog)

I'll work with Jeff es335 and Ben to finalize the list.

Glad you can be part of this... Not too long ago, I ordered an out-of-production OO-09 (the last new one in North America) and I started wondering about all the others who love to have an OO but couldn't. Asked the question out loud: What if we can commission Jean Larrivee to produce a RETRO out-of-production model if there was enough people interested enough to place such order...... it was like fireworks and it didn't take long... we have what is now known to all here...LS-03 Forum Git III.

ricky  :+1:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 05:22:36 AM
I am so thankful that you came up with this idea!!

I've been looking for a small body 12fret gutiar forever!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 05:39:15 AM
I have a practical question with regards to the pricing, should we go to Jim directly? If so, I think it would be prudent to give time a list of our email addresses all at once so we could take the pricing off the forum. Also, it would make it easier for Jim and yourself to communicate with us all at once.

For those who will eventually need pricing information, you can email me at my gmail account and I'll send an email to Jim with our email info. I will likely cc everyone openly unless someone wants their email hidden from all but Jim Holler. I would ask that if we do this, we keep chatter on the email thread to a bare minimum; no one wants endless emails and it's difficult to sort through. Conversations can occur on the forum (it's more useful to everyone anyway) and we should only use the email for pricing. Ricky, if you want to do this instead then go ahead.

My email address is adam DOT muise AT gmail DOT com  

Please note: I DO NOT having pricing info, I am just offering to help organize the pricing email to help Ricky and Ben out. That's assuming you folks trust me with your emails addresses.  :whistling:

Cheers,

Adam

....Adam, thanks for this idea.  Let me connect with Jim Holler first thing tomorrow morning.  I'll take instructions from him as to how to proceed.  I like your idea about all committed persons to forward their email address... Who to forward to? I don't know at this point.

I'm thinking, we need to keep the ORDERING PROCEDURE as simple as possible and ELIMINATE the middle person. I'm saying, Jim Holler may want to take all the orders himself... or he may want me or one of us to do that for him. Let's wait. Jim's our man.

I've been trying to shield Jim from a barrage of phonecalls and emails.
We'll have to figure out a SIMPLE SYSTEM - to keep confusion & chaos to an absolute minimum, zero.

Last thing we want is to receive our Forum Git at our door, open the box, and the Rosewood order ends up with a MT box :whistling:  :wacko:.

Okay... having said this, I want to say, Jim Holler is such a neat guy to deal with; all the testimonies about him & Trinity are true. Of course, Jason of Notable, Dave Schmidt of Guitar Adoptions and the folks at Twelfth Fret have all served Forumites well, most recently and in time past.

Jim Holler, on behalf of all of us at this Forum, I thank you for being in this Forum family, taking interest in this dream to make it closer to becoming a reality.  :+1:

Warmly,

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 05:44:35 AM
Ricky, if everyone who are committed would post their email address and their preference on the wood choice.

I could put them on a excel file and send them to you.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 05:46:11 AM
I am so thankful that you came up with this idea!!

I've been looking for a small body 12fret gutiar forever!!
I simply asked the question in my head out loud.

For the record, Tad suggested a LSV-03 (tongue-in-cheek).

Danny jumped all over the idea... he was the first one in
and someone asked if Danny was in?
someone rightly answered with another question: (to Danny) When were you ever out? :roll

Really, Danny should get #1 of ump-teen Gits  :laughin:

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 05:51:38 AM
Ricky, if everyone who are committed would post their email address and their preference on the wood choice.

I could put them on a excel file and send them to you.
Jeff, that would be great. You and Ben have been doing most of the legwork while I was working over the weekend.
We need all the cooperation and help we can get at this point - to make it as painless and pleasant as possible.

If it were up to me, I'd give everyone a $100 discount, free shipping to the UK (hey Ben!), and stuff Holly's git with Pesos!!!
But sadly, my last name is not Trump.  :doh
ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 05:58:17 AM
If everybody who is interested could post their

Email address:
Name:
Wood Choice:

I'd really appreciate it!!


example  :ph34r:

Email address: email@email.com
Name: Jeff
Wood Choice: IS/Hog

Something like that??


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 06:06:01 AM
If everybody who is interested could post their

Email address:
Name:
Wood Choice:

I'd really appreciate it!!

Email address: email@email.com
Name: Jeff
Wood Choice: IS/Hog

Something like that??
Yes, indeed. Looks good to me... Maybe beside their name, they can include their Forum Login Id?

Thanks again Jeff. (looks like we're the only 2 still up chattin' - I guess it's time to hit the sack soon, there's fresh snow in Edmonton; my wife just left for her graveyard shift, called my cell and said... "shovel the driveway... it's embarrassing to the neighbors"  (and in my head, I really want to say something like, "OO, as in I wanna play my OO instead"  :roll  But, I kept my mouth shut; I'll do as I'm told... or my Forum Git III may just become wishful thinking...

Good night, eh?  (if Lynda reads this, Canadian? You betcha!  Not the Habs, nor Leafs, nor Canucks [sorry Jeff], but Oilers all the way!!!)

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 06:09:49 AM
Of course I'll write down their username as well..

But I thought there is no need for them to write down the username(log in Id) since it will show on their post :)

It seems like we are the only ones up...

I should hit the bed soon... my wife is asleep.. But I gotta read my book some more..  :tongue:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 06:16:39 AM
Changing the subject (just to drive Danny crazy)... :tongue:

I like the picture of the herringbone purflings & soundhole decor... I'm not much of a herringbone fan, but with the milky white spruce, it looks great!  And then, that delicious dark rosewood... ooohhhh, I can smell it.

It's too bad, Holly doesn't like abalone (that's the crushed shells right?)    I'm okay with that, but not at the cost of losing 1 person.

So, I hope we can come up with a decent soundhole decor... Otherwise, we may end up with the spartan and sedate looking Stock 03 soundhole decor.  :yak:

Did I ever mention that the rosewood will likely cost more than the mahogany?...
just like an 03R is listed higher than 03.
 
I believe someone already mentioned that and called it an upcharge, but it's just the norm between rosewood & hog prices.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 06:20:18 AM
I still like the mosaic rosette..

Ricky could I get your

Email address:
Name:
Wood Choice:


please  :nanadance


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 06:22:53 AM

But I thought there is no need for them to write down the username(log in Id) since it will show on their post :)


 :doh I couldn't even find the DOH emoticon...  Duh?  It's really gettin' late.   Of course it will show when they post it :laughin:

Hay Yay Yay... good night!!!   Gotta shovel the driveway, but it's past 11:20pm.   I may wake up the neighbors.   It may snow some more overnight.

I think I'm hitting the sack... and get up before she drives in at 7am.

G'nite !!!    :coffee That's not coffee... it's chamomile tea - has that calming effect.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 06:24:12 AM
I still like the mosaic rosette..

Ricky could I get your

Email address: rickymapa@gmail.com
Name:  Ricky Mapa
Wood Choice:  IS/RW


please  :nanadance
Guess, I get to be ...  as Popeye says, "foist".

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 06:25:42 AM
Thank you!

and have fun shoveling snow  :coffee :coffee


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 09, 2008, 06:46:28 AM
Email address: timbutterfield@mindspring.com
Name: Tim Butterfield
Wood Choice: (Already?  Oh, well.  Flips coin.)  IS/RW
I guess I can always get an MT later, but getting an IS later might be difficult or impossible.

Tim



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 09, 2008, 06:47:24 AM
If everybody who is interested could post their

Email address:
Name:
Wood Choice:

I'd really appreciate it!!


example  :ph34r:

Email address: email@email.com
Name: Jeff
Wood Choice: IS/Hog

Something like that??

Email: adam DOT muise AT gmail DOT com
Name: Adam
Wood Choice: IS/RW



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 06:50:46 AM
Thanks, Tim and Adam

I gotcha on my list


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: kaos on December 09, 2008, 07:08:49 AM
Email address: maryparkerspam @ gmail dot com
Name: Mary (kaos)
Wood Choice: hog/hog





Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 07:15:38 AM
Thanks Mary,

ALL HOG FTW!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 09, 2008, 07:17:59 AM
Can one of the moderators please amend Ricky's posts to 'legendary member' instead of 'senior member' please, and give him 7 stars.

Danny, I have to agree that in my short time as a Larry lover, this has become my dream Larry - Brilliant that it is working out.

email: ben.freeman4@btinternet.com
name: ben freeman
tonewoods: RW/IS
happiness: unmeasurable

I just read through the last 4 pages over my morning :coffee.  This is a good day!  


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 07:25:48 AM
Thanks Ben :) and good morning


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 09, 2008, 07:28:00 AM
Here ya' go......

email:   lcf1221@aol.com
Name:  Lynn  (Tuffythepug)
wood choice:    Hog / Hog
Special Requirement:    LEFTY         
   




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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 07:30:34 AM
Thank you, Tuffy.

I am surprised you chose Hog/hog ??

Don't you have an amazing lookin 000-50MT?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 09, 2008, 07:36:53 AM
es-335
Yeah I do.   that's why I'd like this one to be all hog too.   I have two other Spruce / RW Larrivees so I'm fine with those woods but I love the way JCL does mahogany.   I think it may mellow out the sound a bit which could be pretty bright with an Italian Spruce top and Rosewood b/s small bodied guitar.   I am temped by the IS / hog combo though.    I could change my mind at the last minute.

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 07:41:03 AM
I thought you would've chosen IS/Hog.. But either way you won't regret it!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 09, 2008, 09:53:13 AM
as soon as Jim H posts the exact specs  , I'll lock this discussion thread. Y'all have done good....



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: dhill on December 09, 2008, 11:22:41 AM
Email address:dhf at ntelos dot net
Name: David (dhill)
Wood Choice: IS/RW



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 09, 2008, 11:55:21 AM
....Adam, thanks for this idea.  Let me connect with Jim Holler first thing tomorrow morning.  I'll take instructions from him as to how to proceed.  I like your idea about all committed persons to forward their email address... Who to forward to? I don't know at this point.

I'm thinking, we need to keep the ORDERING PROCEDURE as simple as possible and ELIMINATE the middle person. I'm saying, Jim Holler may want to take all the orders himself... or he may want me or one of us to do that for him. Let's wait. Jim's our man.

I've been trying to shield Jim from a barrage of phonecalls and emails.

I think we need to place orders directly with Jim (at least I need to).  We're talking about a fair amount of money here...and if anything goes wrong with my funding, shipping, or any after the sale warranty issues, I want to have one person/dealer to deal with. Jim deals directly with his customers on any other guitar he sells and this should be no different.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 09, 2008, 01:02:54 PM
"I think it was holly who said that this may only be like an OM-03 or something like that. No offense to you holly I know the sense you were portraying, but "

None taken, it was really more of a question since I have no idea what an LS means as far as 'special' other than discontinued. I will say that if I had to choose between that what did someone politely say? "Spartan" black and white Rosette and a SIMPLE abalone, I'd prefer the smashed up shells.  So while I REALLY hope it's wood, I don't think I'd take my ball and go home.

At this point anyhow,lol.

And yeah, this thread should be locked, if for no other reason than it's too cumbersome to wade through anymore.

holly

EDITED: You can email me though the little email icon to your left.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 09, 2008, 01:09:37 PM
If in doubt, please read Jim's email slowly.

ricky


If anyone is still in any doubt, please read the entire thread from start to finish slowly.  By the time you finish the guitars should be finished and ready for collection!!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 09, 2008, 01:28:16 PM
 :beer
email: jpiazza67@nc.rr.com
name: Joseph Piazza
woods: IS/RW
Special Requirements: Left Handed


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 09, 2008, 01:54:54 PM
Yes, indeed. Looks good to me... Maybe beside their name, they can include their Forum Login Id?

Thanks again Jeff. (looks like we're the only 2 still up chattin' - I guess it's time to hit the sack soon, there's fresh snow in Edmonton; my wife just left for her graveyard shift, called my cell and said... "shovel the driveway... it's embarrassing to the neighbors"  (and in my head, I really want to say something like, "OO, as in I wanna play my OO instead"  :roll  But, I kept my mouth shut; I'll do as I'm told... or my Forum Git III may just become wishful thinking...

Good night, eh?  (if Lynda reads this, Canadian? You betcha!  Not the Habs, nor Leafs, nor Canucks [sorry Jeff], but Oilers all the way!!!)

ricky

Of course I read this Ricky...eh... LOL  As for hockey, I stopped caring a very long time ago. Pretty hard when you live so close to TO though. I generally laugh at the scalpers who are trying to sell tix outside Union Station on my way home though.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 09, 2008, 01:58:31 PM
This is seriously driving me crazy as I want to do this REALLY badly.

I thought I would post my info, but need to make my absolute FINAL decision once I see the $ and when the payment(s) will be due.

So, just to drive you guys crazy:

Email address: lyric_girl@rogers.com
Name: Lynda Johnson (lyric_girl)
Wood Choice: Ital/RW


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 09, 2008, 01:59:39 PM
This is seriously driving me crazy as I want to do this REALLY badly.

I thought I would post my info, but need to make my absolute FINAL decision once I see the $ and when the payment(s) will be due.

So, just to drive you guys crazy:

Email address: lyric_girl@rogers.com
Name: Lynda Johnson (lyric_girl)
Wood Choice: Ital/RW

 :thumb :+1: :+1: :+1:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 09, 2008, 02:04:42 PM
Ben,

Don't take this the wrong way... but I love you!  :smile:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: L-fan on December 09, 2008, 02:07:11 PM
Happy to provide this info:

Email address:  shamann@comcast.net
Name: Scott Hamann
Wood choice:  Ital/Hog

However, why are we asking to freeze this thread if we are supposed to all be providing this information?  Shall we postpone the freezing until we get all information or set up an alternative way to collect the info?  It's all good.   :donut :coffee :donut2


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 09, 2008, 02:39:41 PM
Ben,

Don't take this the wrong way... but I love you!  :smile:

We come on here because we love guitars. 
Guitars make us happy. 
I know it made you smile to put your order in for your LS-03 Forum III!

 :smile: 


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 02:56:52 PM
Thank you L-fan, Lyric-girl, bluesman67 and dhill
ya'll the list:)

so far I have 13 pretty solid buyers.. the magic number is 16...

It is safe to say that this thing is actually HAPPENING!! :nanadance

(http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1258/183/6/505088175/n505088175_1254894_2048.jpg)

So far so good


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 09, 2008, 02:58:02 PM
Due to forum rules, the price of the new guitar won't be able to be posted here. Jim Holler is working up his numbers.

The three options are as listed:

Mahogany w IS
Mahogany w Mahogany
EIRosewood w IS

12 Fret Neck on all three, standard scale (25.5inch)

I will lock this thread once Ricky rpm60912 starts a new one.

Those who are committing to the purchase of the Forum Guitar III will be listed in the new thread.



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 09, 2008, 04:18:03 PM
I think we need to place orders directly with Jim (at least I need to).  We're talking about a fair amount of money here...and if anything goes wrong with my funding, shipping, or any after the sale warranty issues, I want to have one person/dealer to deal with. Jim deals directly with his customers on any other guitar he sells and this should be no different.

You misunderstand me. I was only collecting trying to collect emails to present Jim with a list so that we could make his life easier. If he has to send out the same pricing options to everyone then one broadcast email makes sense. After that, your negotiations are your own business.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 04:24:47 PM
I think we need to place orders directly with Jim (at least I need to).  We're talking about a fair amount of money here...and if anything goes wrong with my funding, shipping, or any after the sale warranty issues, I want to have one person/dealer to deal with. Jim deals directly with his customers on any other guitar he sells and this should be no different.

Maybe I should make myself clear,

After I get all the informations of all of yours

Email address:
Name:
Wood Choice:

I will send this to Ricky and he more likely to send it to Jim Holler.

and from there, I am pretty sure that we are dealing with Jim directly..

Please correct me if I am wrong..

and if you haven't already

Please post/send this info to me:)


Email address:
Name:
Wood Choice:



I really appreciate your help!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 09, 2008, 04:25:46 PM
Of course I read this Ricky...eh... LOL  As for hockey, I stopped caring a very long time ago. Pretty hard when you live so close to TO though. I generally laugh at the scalpers who are trying to sell tix outside Union Station on my way home though.

I live walking distance from the ACC. I find it entertaining to watch everyone walk out of the ACC after a game with this persistent melancholy shuffle and wearing a smile that one uses to occasionally mask some grim truth. Once a visitor from Belgium was walking outside with me and she said "They are coming from funeral?"   :roll


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 09, 2008, 04:28:29 PM
I live walking distance from the ACC. I find it entertaining to watch everyone walk out of the ACC after a game with this persistent melancholy shuffle and wearing a smile that one uses to occasionally mask some grim truth. Once a visitor from Belgium was walking outside with me and she said "They are coming from funeral?"   :roll

LOL!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 09, 2008, 04:29:38 PM
Not meaning to be a pain, but was the rosette issue ever worked out?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 09, 2008, 04:30:27 PM
Maybe I should make myself clear,

After I get all the informations of all of yours

Email address:
Name:
Wood Choice:

I will send this to Ricky and he more likely to send it to Jim Holler.

and from there, I am pretty sure that we are dealing with Jim directly..

Please correct me if I am wrong..

and if you haven't already

Please post/send this info to me:)


Email address:
Name:
Wood Choice:



I really appreciate your help!!


Jeff - one of the problems with communication has always been that Ricky logs on here later than everyone else - nobody's fault - just the way the time zones work.  Can I be so bold as to suggest that you start a new thread with your list and your request for details, thereby seperating it from the continuing discussion.  

If the new thread is clearly named, it should remove confusion.  I don't blame anyone for being confused by this thread now, it is the longest thread ever on here now, i believe.


EDIT:- SORRY - RANDY BEAT ME TO IT!!!!!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 09, 2008, 04:30:50 PM
Thank you L-fan, Lyric-girl, bluesman67 and dhill
ya'll the list:)

so far I have 13 pretty solid buyers.. the magic number is 16...

It is safe to say that this thing is actually HAPPENING!! :nanadance

(http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v1258/183/6/505088175/n505088175_1254894_2048.jpg)

So far so good


You missed something in the first part of my email, it should be adam.muise@


Thanks,

Adam

(sorry for the excessive posts today)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 09, 2008, 04:33:11 PM
Not meaning to be a pain, but was the rosette issue ever worked out?

Lynda

I think that we have little choice but to say we would like something other than the std 03, but prefer not dead animals, and leave it up to JCL.  Maybe JH will be clearer on it later.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 09, 2008, 04:38:33 PM
I have created a new locked and sticky thread where the final spec and buyer list can be posted.


http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=24123.0

I'm asking that Ricky send them to me to post there since he is the focal for this activity and the one communicating with Jim Holler on behalf of the forum.




Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 04:41:41 PM
Thank you Randy :)

and Adam, I fixed your email:)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 09, 2008, 04:46:46 PM
I'm confused. Who do we send our info to? maybe on the new thread that email could be posted because I've reread two pages and I'll be damned if I can figure it out.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 09, 2008, 04:48:53 PM
I'm confused. Who do we send our info to? maybe on the new thread that email could be posted because I've reread two pages and I'll be damned if I can figure it out.

holly
                      Me too.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 04:51:01 PM
If you post/pm your info to me or in this thread.

I'll jot down, and email it Ricky. Since I have a few days off.. I got so much time in my hands:)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 09, 2008, 04:51:38 PM
I was just going to say, post it here or PM it to Jeff, but he is too fast - clearly has more free time than me!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 04:57:21 PM
We have reached the magic number 16 :D(considering Jim will get two:one for himself and one for his store)


But I know there are a lot more people who are wanting to be a part of this project!




Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 09, 2008, 05:01:41 PM
Can someone also note the need for pricing.  Maybe Randy's new thread, second post could finish by saying 'please PM rpm60912 for pricing detail' or something to that effect, as I assume ricky will be the right person for that job.  Just because there are a few who are not committing until they know the price.

Also, I think the new thread needs to specify when the order will be placed in advance, so people don't miss out by thinking too long about it.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 09, 2008, 05:07:07 PM
I would love to know what a 'sticky thread' is?  I'm sure the jokes are going to fly and that could get pretty funny, but seriously...what is it?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 09, 2008, 05:08:47 PM
Would not communicating simply via group email not be the better way to move this forward at this point? Just a suggestion.  :smile:

As for the rosette, I had hoped we would know this up front, but if that's not to be, then so be it.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 09, 2008, 05:11:44 PM
Also wanted to say that when this goes forward we're going to have to start a support group thread for those waiting. We have this on Rickresource forum and it's quite amusing.  :humour:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 09, 2008, 05:12:31 PM
I would love to know what a 'sticky thread' is?  I'm sure the jokes are going to fly and that could get pretty funny, but seriously...what is it?

I'm with you.  ????   Now I feel lost (as well as somewhat locked and kinda sticky)

tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 09, 2008, 05:16:03 PM
I suggest patience while all these questions are answered. Give Ricky time to sort thru everything and put together his plan and answers.

There will be enough time between the finalized specs and the actual submitting of the order to give everyone a chance to jump in.



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: gary0319 on December 09, 2008, 05:21:21 PM
Not to be picky, but I've watched this thread with considerable interest and might want to get in on the final order porcess (everyone else seemed to be doing just fine without my input).

 However, I'm now confused as to how to go about getting a price without some kind of commitment. I've read the rules about "dealer pricing", but it seems this is not a promotion for Trinity, but rather his facilitating the forum members in " our" product/project. Help me understand why the price cannot be part of this thread.

Gary 


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 09, 2008, 05:40:49 PM
Not to be picky, but I've watched this thread with considerable interest and might want to get in on the final order porcess (everyone else seemed to be doing just fine without my input).

 However, I'm now confused as to how to go about getting a price without some kind of commitment. I've read the rules about "dealer pricing", but it seems this is not a promotion for Trinity, but rather his facilitating the forum members in " our" product/project. Help me understand why the price cannot be part of this thread.

Gary 

Gary,

I was thinking the same as you up until it got time to do so. The forum rule about pricing is there because of previous problems the forum had with dealers using this place as an advertising venue. So, regretfully, no prices can be posted here.

In the case of Forum Guitar I, the discussions all along carried the stipulation that the guitar cost less than $1,000. the final announcement merely said that the forum guitar would 'cost less than the $1,000US target'. I believe this Forum Guitar III  carried a target price of trying to be under $1200. But the exact final price will have to be done via email, and not in this forum, which is how it was done before.



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 05:44:22 PM
I suggest patience while all these questions are answered. Give Ricky time to sort thru everything and put together his plan and answers.

There will be enough time between the finalized specs and the actual submitting of the order to give everyone a chance to jump in.

Randy,  thanks for all your suggestion about a new thread.  Let's wait til I hear from Jim. I already emailed him 2 hours ago 8:30am Mountain Time 10:30am Eastern.

I have yet to check my email.

Some folks are already getting confused & I already got a PM regarding that.

Patience, yes!     We need to keep this simple.    Meanwhile, thanks Jeff for volunteering to gather the final list.



As for the new thread:      Here's what I imagine it will be:

PERMANENTLY PASTED AT TOP OF EVERY PAGE - description of Forum Git III
It will have a simple description of the Forum Git III - LS-03 and all the basic specs (all of which will not be a deal breaker for anyone).

(1) It will have 3 choices of Wood

People who will  REPLY to that thread will be BUYERS ONLY... so we don't have to wade through pages and pages of replies.

BUYERS will have to type in their CHOICE of tonewood combo:   IS/RW,   IS/Hog,    Hog/Hog

People may want to indicate how many guitars they are ordering... as some clearly may have the means to purchase 2.

Thanks Randy,

ricky




Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 05:51:01 PM
Ricky I sent you an email with the list


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 05:54:59 PM
Breaking News

Jim Holler sent me this email around 12:30pm Eastern.
UPDATE on DEPOSIT: 25%

In line with the Forum Rules, I cannot include the prices. But I will paste what I'm allowed. Here it is.

    Larrivee has funded a price reduction on the guitar to help get to these prices.
 
Order process.  25% deposit Balance when the guitars are here and ready to ship. I would expect 12 weeks for the production of the guitars. I should  have the dimensions from Ricky T tomorrow. 4" is the body depth. He has an old LS09 at his home he is going to measure to verify the rest of the dimensions.
UPDATE on DEPOSIT: 25%
 
  Do not post these numbers on the forum. You can post that we hit the price targets and to email me for the details. I will now start to reply to the emails I have already got.
 
  I will send the same info to Randy.

--- end of Jim Holler's message ---


Thanks to all my dear Forum Family - for making this curious thought - closer to reality.

ricky

Choices are 3 Tonewoods which follows the Larrivee nomenclature:

LS-03   Italitan Spruce / Mahogany

LS-03R Italian Spruce / Rosewood

LS-03MT  Mahogany / Mahogany

* - mahogany is South American Mahogany; NO sapele


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 05:58:56 PM
Another GOOD NEWS!!! :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 06:12:44 PM
So are we supposed to contact Jim asap???

what about the little details? are we just leaving that up to JCL?



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 09, 2008, 06:17:51 PM
Re:   the deposit.  Am I reading it correctly that we need to provide a 50% deposit upon placing the order and the other 50% when the guitars arrive at Trinity ?  I think some of us were expecting a smaller deposit. Could be difficult to pull that off,  especially right at Christmas time.   Anyway, I hope that Visa or MC will be accepted for both deposit and final payment since some of us are cash strapped at the moment.  That is, unless Danny is gonna float me a loan  :roll
 


tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 09, 2008, 06:27:15 PM
Deposit needs to be $100 - $200!!!!   :?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Blue in VT on December 09, 2008, 06:29:27 PM
I probably can't swing this but would like to now what the final price is going to be...just incase I can....I'm selling everything I can get my hands on.  So how do I do that?  Randy just said not to email Jim....plus as I am not for sure....so can someone PM the price...or drop it to my email?

thanks

Blue


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 09, 2008, 06:31:19 PM
I just hope I can sell my other guitar in time to be included in the final order.
Oh well, whatever will be will be. Mom always said that.
I would also like the price PMed to me
 :coffee  :donut2  :donut  :donut2  :coffee


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 09, 2008, 06:37:57 PM
I just hope I can sell my other guitar in time to be included in the final order.
Oh well, whatever will be will be. Mom always said that.
I would also like the price PMed to me
 :coffee  :donut2  :donut  :donut2  :coffee

Moms are smart that way Roger.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 06:40:20 PM
Sorry Folks... DO NOT CALL OR EMAIL JIM HOLLER YET

Just got off the phone talking to Randy and then to Jim.

Prices won't be final until Thursday as Larrivee-Ricky is travelling.

We hope the 3-dot 12Fret marker will be a freebee.... still do not know at this point.

There may be a Poll regarding the Soundhole Rosette as Vancouver Factory may not be set up for the Mosaic.  
Final prices may be affected depending on final decision on soundhole rosette.

Let's hold our horses... please be patient with us... as we are all trying to calm our excited nerves.


Again, I'm modifying the latest BREAKING NEWS... to say ==
DO NOT CALL OR EMAIL JIM - NO NOT YET.

Thanks for your patience & understanding,

ricky  :donut :donut2 :coffee :coffee :donut :donut :donut2


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 06:40:37 PM
Ricky, Congratz on the guitar of the month :beer   :nice guitar:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 09, 2008, 06:41:45 PM
I probably can't swing this but would like to now what the final price is going to be...just incase I can....I'm seeling everything I can get my hands on.  So how do I do that?  Randy just said not to email Jim....plus as I am not for sure....so can someone PM the price...or drop it to my email?

thanks

Blue

I hope you're in m'man!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 09, 2008, 06:44:12 PM
Order process.  1/2 deposit Balance when the guitars are here and ready to ship.

Skipping the profanity that first crossed my lips....

Um, WHAT?!?

I don't begin to understand that sentance but I'll take a stab at it. Does that mean that once Jim gets the guitars we have to pony up 50 percent to secure one? PLEASE can someone clarify this?

holly

EDITED: Please email me with price. Because I really need to see what 50 percent is and WHEN it is due..  


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 06:47:37 PM
Order process.  1/2 deposit Balance when the guitars are here and ready to ship.

Skipping the profanity that first crossed my lips....

Um, WHAT?!?

I don't begin to understand that sentance but I'll take a stab at it. Does that mean that once Jim gets the guitars we have to pony up 50 percent to secure one? PLEASE can someone clarify this?

holly

EDITED: Please email me with price. Because I really need to see what 50 percent is.  

That is how I am understanding it..

PM me the price as well Please!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 06:49:44 PM
So are we supposed to contact Jim asap???

Jeff, no, not at this point.  Pricing is approximate. Currently, we're just south of 1100 for the RW and south of 1000 for Hogs.

I know Randy will also mention something along these lines...we're respecting Forum Rules - no pricing discussions, ball park approximations allowed.

But, Final Price will depend upon SOUNDHOLE ROSETTE decision.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Blue in VT on December 09, 2008, 06:50:36 PM
I hope you're in m'man!

Thanks dude....me too.  Things are looking....not quite as bleak on the job front....and a LS with hog and Ital spruce makes my mouth water.

Cheers,

Blue


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 09, 2008, 06:52:54 PM
Very happy to say that I'm in good company in terms of freaking about the deposit; however, I hope 50% isn't gonna be the reality.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 09, 2008, 06:54:19 PM
we're just south of 1100 for the RW and south of 1000 for Hogs.

That's what they sell for retail. Just how expensive is a rosette, fcol? Sorry to be snarky but I'm still staggering from the idea that a FIFTY percent deposit is required. An indiviual luthier doesn't reqire that for a custom guitar. I get that it's a special body, ok, but I also get that this is a nice order for a manufacturer. Unless they are so swamped with requests the business isn't appreciated.

I should stop posting now and go outside.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 09, 2008, 06:55:15 PM
I think a 50% deposit could be deal killer for some of us, particularly this close to Christmas.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 09, 2008, 06:55:22 PM
I don't begin to understand that sentance but I'll take a stab at it. Does that mean that once Jim gets the guitars we have to pony up 50 percent to secure one? PLEASE can someone clarify this?


I think that means put down 50% with the order and pay the balance when Jim has the guitars ready to ship. I don't think Jim wants to get stuck with a load of guitars in case somebody walks away mid-stream...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 09, 2008, 06:55:58 PM
Thanks dude....me too.  Things are looking....not quite as bleak on the job front....and a LS with hog and Ital spruce makes my mouth water.

Cheers,

Blue

It sure does, I wouldn't mind ordering 1 IS/RW and 1 IS/M.  :rolleye:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 09, 2008, 06:59:03 PM
I think that means put down 50% with the order and pay the balance when Jim has the guitars ready to ship. I don't think Jim wants to get stuck with a load of guitars in case somebody walks away mid-stream...

Well, if the order is around 16 and the deposit is non refundable and the remaining balance is $500 I'm not seeing the potential to be on the losing end in that scenario. How dissapointing, really.

Ricky, you can take me off the list. Frankly, even if I had $500 to put down, I find the requirement so irksome that I wouldn't.

holly (who really is going to go outside now)

EDITED to add: I'm not slagging Jim, I like him and in fact am buying a guitar fom him as we speak. He's been more than accamodating. I'm just mad and dissapointed and it makes me madder because things suck right now and then it's a wild runaway wagon of madness. It's not a right or wrong thing on the dealer's part. It's the pissiness of our current reality that sucks.

Although, people are starving, losing thier houses and so forth. I feel kind of lucky to be having a temper tantrum over a guitar. I think I'll go donate the $100 I set aside and feed somebody to make up for it.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 07:05:50 PM
Order process.  1/2 deposit Balance when the guitars are here and ready to ship.

Skipping the profanity that first crossed my lips....

Um, WHAT?!?

I don't begin to understand that sentance but I'll take a stab at it. Does that mean that once Jim gets the guitars we have to pony up 50 percent to secure one? PLEASE can someone clarify this?

holly

EDITED: Please email me with price. Because I really need to see what 50 percent is and WHEN it is due..  

Holly,

As soon as I read this & Jeff's reply to yours... I called Jim Holler right away.

I told him we're getting reactions already regarding the 50% deposit. I told him the standard deposit with most dealers is 25%.

So, the deposit is 25% of the git price.

I'll PM you the UNofficial price - as prices will not be finalized until (1) decision on Rosette Soundhole is known (2) Larrivee-Ricky is on the road - Jim is trying to contact him

Thanks,

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 09, 2008, 07:10:27 PM
Thanks. Now I have 'mad hangover'. Any idea when the deposit would be due? I was really hoping this wouldn't go so fast,lol.

holly

ps. I'm still donating the first $100 because I feel like God is getting seriously ready to kick me in the -CENSORED-. Perspective....


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 07:10:51 PM
Ricky Thanks for all your work, I appreciate it.

I hope everything will get sorted out soon!



Welp.. I am off to go Christmas shopping...

I gotta use my days off usefully:)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 07:12:22 PM
we're just south of 1100 for the RW and south of 1000 for Hogs.

That's what they sell for retail. Just how expensive is a rosette, fcol? Sorry to be snarky but I'm still staggering from the idea that a FIFTY percent deposit is required. An indiviual luthier doesn't reqire that for a custom guitar. I get that it's a special body, ok, but I also get that this is a nice order for a manufacturer. Unless they are so swamped with requests the business isn't appreciated.

I should stop posting now and go outside.

holly
UPDATE on DEPOSIT: 25%

Hope we can all cool down now...  :donut :donut2 :donut :coffee :coffee :donut :donut2
ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 09, 2008, 07:14:22 PM
Yeah, coffee and donuts, that's soothing, rofl.....  You think I'm nuts now....

Unless you've Xanaxed my coffee, which is fine. Really. After Xanax what isn't?

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 09, 2008, 07:16:15 PM
UPDATE on DEPOSIT: 25%

Hope we can all cool down now...  :donut :donut2 :donut :coffee :coffee :donut :donut2
ricky

Now there's going to be a HUGE payment at the end to get the guitar. That's not fair!

BTW...is shipping included in the price?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 09, 2008, 07:16:29 PM
It sure does, I wouldn't mind ordering 1 IS/RW and 1 IS/M.  :rolleye:

Joseph,  is one hogtop enough for you ?  I thought you were headed for the MT on the forum III.   Just curious why the IS rather than the MT

Tuffythepug


Also,  a real big CONGRATULATIONS to Ricky for the GOTM.   The 00-09 is a beauty.

gotta go now.  It's gonna take me a while to roll up all my spare change.

T the P


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Blue in VT on December 09, 2008, 07:20:39 PM
Joseph,  is one hogtop enough for you ?  I thought you were headed for the MT on the forum III.   Just curious why the IS rather than the MT

Maybe he should get a Hog top w RW back and sides too....just to complete the set.... :wacko:.....hhmmmm has anyone ever made one like that?

"It's gonna take me a while to roll up all my spare change"

I hear ya bro....I'll be out looking for pennies on the street this afternoon....once the snow melts... :?

Blue



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 09, 2008, 07:22:17 PM
Well, we have about three months to come up with the balance right? So you could do well come Spring thaw.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 09, 2008, 07:22:29 PM
Now there's going to be a HUGE payment at the end to get the guitar. That's not fair!

BTW...is shipping included in the price?

Apparently not.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 07:23:57 PM
I think a 50% deposit could be deal killer for some of us, particularly this close to Christmas.
As you know already... DEPOSIT UPDATE 25%

Thankfully, or I would be in the same boat as you!

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 09, 2008, 07:32:17 PM
Why wouldn't shipping be included? I figured that's a given. I should stop 'figuring'. I'm intrigued to find out what the rosette will or won't be. I was thinking rinestones with battery powered laser lights? You know, something tasteful.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 09, 2008, 07:35:05 PM
Nice one ricky, can you PM me the details of price please, just so I am clear.  Most importantly, what do you think the timescale is for the deposit.  You have done a fantastic job by the way, and certainly deserve guitar of the month with those shots!!!

Thank you.


Can't wait now!!

 :bgrin: :bgrin: :bgrin: :bgrin:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 09, 2008, 07:36:55 PM
Why wouldn't shipping be included? I figured that's a given. I should stop 'figuring'. I'm intrigued to find out what the rosette will or won't be. I was thinking rinestones with battery powered laser lights? You know, something tasteful.

holly

Holly,

LOL


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 07:43:08 PM
BTW...is shipping included in the price?
Shipping is extra (but again that's not official). Dunno if Jim ever offers free shipping in ConUS.

Assume it's extra.

ricky

Although in my mind I'm (wishful) thinking, US residents pay shipping within ConUS and soften the blow to non-US residents: it would be sweet to not have to pay for shipping for a change... or even if we can just do free shipping to UK (no offense to Ben customs fees alone for him is 300 British Pounds... but there are some things we just take for granted... like affordable everything).


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: dhill on December 09, 2008, 07:46:51 PM
I've bought several guitars from Jim. Shipping was usually included.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 09, 2008, 07:47:51 PM
Every dealer (I've heard of) offers free shipping on new guitars, with a nominal charge for used. Jim, Notable, Guitar Adoptions, etc.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 07:48:19 PM
I've bought several guitars from Jim. Shipping was usually included.

Folks, let's not assume anything at this point. I'm getting out of here for now.

Let's all wait until we hear again from Jim Holler hopefully... by Thursday Dec 11.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Blue in VT on December 09, 2008, 07:50:52 PM
from Jim's site:

"As always free shipping ( lower 48 ) and a professional custom set up with each guitar"

Blue


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 09, 2008, 07:51:49 PM
The one I bought from Jim the shipping was included in the quoted price. Seeing as we don't have a quoted price he still has time to add that in.
 :cheers


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Blue in VT on December 09, 2008, 07:56:04 PM
The one I bought from Jim the shipping was included in the quoted price. Seeing as we don't have a quoted price he still has time to add that in.
 :cheers


:wink:

Good point...

Blue


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 09, 2008, 07:56:10 PM
Joseph,  is one hogtop enough for you ?  I thought you were headed for the MT on the forum III.   Just curious why the IS rather than the MT

Tuffythepug


Also,  a real big CONGRATULATIONS to Ricky for the GOTM.   The 00-09 is a beauty.

gotta go now.  It's gonna take me a while to roll up all my spare change.

T the P


No, 1 hogtop isn't enough for me...that's why I have 2 (000-15s)  :bgrin:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 08:07:37 PM
Tuffythepug
Also,  a real big CONGRATULATIONS to Ricky for the GOTM.   The 00-09 is a beauty.

 :ohmy: Thanks Y'all... your kind words, enthusiasm and passionate loyalty to the brand after which this Forum is named is... CONTAGIOUS !!!  :+1:

ricky :beer  OR  :donut :donut2 :coffee :donut :donut2 cheers!!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 09, 2008, 08:08:13 PM
:ohmy: Thanks Y'all... your kind words, enthusiasm and passionate loyalty to the brand after which this Forum is named is... CONTAGIOUS !!!  :+1:

ricky :beer  OR  :donut :donut2 :coffee :donut :donut2 cheers!!!
:cheers


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Cybercanyon on December 09, 2008, 08:51:37 PM
I guess am going to have to raid the piggy bank, I'm feeling a bad case of GAS coming on! :nana_guitar

Mike


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluwood on December 09, 2008, 08:55:29 PM
This is probably a stupid question, but does anyone have a picture of what a LS-03 will look like ? I would love to see a picture of an old one next to an OM or something else so I can see what size this will be. I know I'm coming in here late so maybe I missed it in an earlier post. When I put in a search on Yahoo it came up that the LS-03 was a classical guitar. Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 09, 2008, 09:06:50 PM
Here's one, the Forum Guitar is satin though and no abalone.  It's basically the L size but with a 15 1/2" bout instead of 16" and a 4" depth.
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t28/jpiazza67/Mabel/mabelfront2.jpg)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 09, 2008, 09:21:23 PM
There will be a broadcast message to all registered Forum member's once the specs and dates are finalized for the guitar. That way, no one can say they were left out because they weren't reading the forum for a few days.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 09, 2008, 09:22:20 PM
This is probably a stupid question, but does anyone have a picture of what a LS-03 will look like ? I would love to see a picture of an old one next to an OM or something else so I can see what size this will be. I know I'm coming in here late so maybe I missed it in an earlier post. When I put in a search on Yahoo it came up that the LS-03 was a classical guitar. Tim


bluwood
See page 25 for a picture of an LS-05 which is a glossy version of the same guiitar with a couple of exceptions:  it is a 14 fret and the forum III wil be a 12 fret.  Imagine it with the bridge closer to the lower bout and a 12 fret neck to body joint.    You can easily see how it compares in size to the 00 size and also the parlor.

Tuffythepug


Modified...............Just see below for the picture.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 09, 2008, 09:50:39 PM
Is there a way to jump to a specific page when it does not show it.
At the bottom of my page I see this
1...34 35 36 37
If I want page 25 the only way I see to get there is to click on 34 then 30 and so on till I finally get there.

 :cheers


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 09, 2008, 10:00:38 PM
OK.......here is the photo again

00 on left,   LS-05 in the middle,   Parlor on the right






Tuffythepug


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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluwood on December 09, 2008, 10:05:10 PM
Tuffy, Great job, now I can really see what the size will be. Much appreciated. Thanks also bluesman67. Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 09, 2008, 11:29:18 PM
Probably even stupid to ask this before Thursday, but any idea when the down payment/deposit is going to be required?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 11:31:35 PM
Take a look at Gibavee's LV-09CE Collector's edition in the Pictures Section... also last month's GOTM... particularly the first colored pic.

Like I said, I'm not much of a Herringbone fan, but it's growing on me. Is my taste for guitars developing some more?

I'm beginning to like herringbone, which I hope will be the eventual compromise feature for the Forum Git's soundhole (at no extra charge of course) if Mosaic or Rosette is not possible or prohibitive cost-wise.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 09, 2008, 11:32:59 PM
Probably even stupid to ask this before Thursday, but any idea when the down payment/deposit is going to be required?
Hopefully, we'll know all the answers to our questions pricing & deposit & when & to whom... by Thursday.
 :smile: ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 09, 2008, 11:35:44 PM
Hopefully, we'll know all the answers to our questions pricing & deposit & when & to whom... by Thursday.
 :smile: ricky

I'm not gonna put mine on the order thread until this info is available then.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 09, 2008, 11:36:13 PM
Take a look at Gibavee's LV-09CE Collector's edition in the Pictures Section... also last month's GOTM... particularly the first colored pic.

Like I said, I'm not much of a Herringbone fan, but it's growing on me. Is my taste for guitars developing some more?

I'm beginning to like herringbone, which I hope will be the eventual compromise feature for the Forum Git's soundhole (at no extra charge of course) if Mosaic or Rosette is not possible or prohibitive cost-wise.

ricky
  I told you to take those pics....G O T M cool.
                              With a maple trim abalone looks better to me. Herrinbone needs to be the body trim as well if it is on the rosette. (But it could be barb wire for all I care)
                                 THANKS RICKY. good job mate.                 Danny


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 09, 2008, 11:43:33 PM
I like the Maple binding, I went to L&M today, played a bunch of larrivees..

I almost put a deposit down for a D-40R... o boy... but then..  I got a smack in the head from myself... and dragged myself out of the store.

anyways.. I really dig the maple binding with RW, it looked the best..

With the rosette.. I like mosaic.. if possible.. but if it cost too much..

I'd be fine with any other rosettes..


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 09, 2008, 11:59:02 PM
I think the maple binding looks equally good on both RW and Mahogany guitars with spruce or hog tops;  it doesn't matter.  it looks good on all combinations and that's the way I'd vote. Since it is standard there wouldn't be any increase in price.
Danny is correct that the herringbone should be on the body as well as the rosette;  not just the rosette.  that would not look right in my opinion.
If JCL wants to build us an LS-03 12 fretter with standard maple binding and abalone rosette I'm perfectly fine with that.  It does look extra nice against a hog top I think.

On a side note.........
Well I guess it pays to save spare change in a big jug.   I just finished cashing in $237.00 in nickels, dimes, and quarters so there's my deposit !  Now I've gotta get those cans and bottles to the recycler !  Danny I may not need you to float me a loan after all.   :bgrin:
Goin'down to the streetcorner tonight to see if I can shine a few shoes.   :whistling:

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 10, 2008, 12:03:41 AM
On a side note.........
Well I guess it pays to save spare change in a big jug.   I just finished cashing in $237.00 in nickels, dimes, and quarters so there's my deposit !  Now I've gotta get those cans and bottles to the recycler !  Danny I may not need you to float me a loan after all.   :bgrin:
Goin'down to the streetcorner tonight to see if I can shine a few shoes.   :whistling:

Tuffythepug

Congratulations on your deposit. Wish I could say the same.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: L-fan on December 10, 2008, 12:16:17 AM
I think the maple binding looks equally good on both RW and Mahogany guitars with spruce or hog tops;  it doesn't matter.  it looks good on all combinations and that's the way I'd vote. Since it is standard there wouldn't be any increase in price.
Danny is correct that the herringbone should be on the body as well as the rosette;  not just the rosette.  that would not look right in my opinion.
If JCL wants to build us an LS-03 12 fretter with standard maple binding and abalone rosette I'm perfectly fine with that.  It does look extra nice against a hog top I think.

Tuffythepug

I totally agree, can't go wrong with maple binding.  Just for grins, remember the OM-70 or D-70 of a few years ago?  They had rosewood binding that was kind of bold and interesting.  Just the thing to polarize a group of folks....no to mention the turquoise-stained binding offered on the -19 series awhile back.   :winkin:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: 58clipper on December 10, 2008, 12:29:39 AM
This has been a tough thread to keep up with or maybe I'm a little slow, but when did it become a 12-fretter? This is killing me!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 10, 2008, 12:31:21 AM
This has been a tough thread to keep up with or maybe I'm a little slow, but when did it become a 12-fretter? This is killing me!
   ALWAYS


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 10, 2008, 12:33:13 AM
Nice work Tuffy on the spare change.

Rosette:

Anything except abalone, PLEASE!!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 10, 2008, 12:33:45 AM
On a side note.........
Well I guess it pays to save spare change in a big jug.   I just finished cashing in $237.00 in nickels, dimes, and quarters so there's my deposit !  Now I've gotta get those cans and bottles to the recycler
Goin'down to the streetcorner tonight to see if I can shine a few shoes.   :whistling:

Tuffythepug

Tuffy... you sure have a way with words and great ideas!   So that's what I have to do to clear the junk in my garage. I usually don't care for those bottles & leave the proceeds to my daughters... but not this time!   This kid is saving all his pennies.

Now, if I can only convince Jim if he would accept our Canadian Dollar at par  :whistling:  la la la la la... hmmmmm... you think he will consider it?  :wacko:

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 10, 2008, 12:36:14 AM

Now, if I can only convince Jim if he would accept our Canadian Dollar at par  :whistling:  la la la la la... hmmmmm... you think he will consider it?  :wacko:

ricky

The brightest idea that ever came up through over 700 posts...  :humour:



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 10, 2008, 12:41:51 AM
Tuffy... you sure have a way with words and great ideas!   So that's what I have to do to clear the junk in my garage. I usually don't care for those bottles & leave the proceeds to my daughters... but not this time!   This kid is saving all his pennies.

Now, if I can only convince Jim if he would accept our Canadian Dollar at par  :whistling:  la la la la la... hmmmmm... you think he will consider it?  :wacko:

ricky

Ricky:

Hate to say it, but when cows fly! In case you weren't paying attention, our dollar closed at .79 today which is driving the cost of this git up considerably!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 10, 2008, 12:45:23 AM
  I told you to take those pics....G O T M cool.
                              Herrinbone needs to be the body trim as well if it is on the rosette. (But it could be barb wire for all I care)
                                 THANKS RICKY. good job mate.                 Danny
Danny,

Thanks buddy!!!

It's so good to be in this company. Just phoned Norman this afternoon, just because.   I'm grateful for all my Forum friends... shall I say, family?

Agreed. Herringbone needs to be the body trim  :+1: as well & soundhole - that would look absolutely stunning (okay, elegant) against the Milky White Italian Spruce !!!  
That would be OK, if no added cost, right?  You think, the rest would go for that if it was offered?

Oh well... the familiar feeling of waiting...

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 10, 2008, 12:49:29 AM
Hate to say it, but when cows fly! In case you weren't paying attention, our dollar closed at .79 today which is driving the cost of this git up considerably!

Lynda... there's nothing like begging or maybe a few kind words to Jim and the Power-that-be...   I know it's wishful thinking (and I hate that our CDN dollar is so weak)...

but I do hope against hope... that those of us outside the US-border will get some kind of a price break in all this.


If guitars were just cups of coffee, wouldn't it be great if we get every 10th purchase FREE?  (okay, another wishful thinking) :humour:

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 10, 2008, 12:54:51 AM
Danny,

Thanks buddy!!!

It's so good to be in this company. Just phoned Norman this afternoon, just because.   I'm grateful for all my Forum friends... shall I say, family?

Agreed. Herringbone needs to be the body trim  :+1: as well & soundhole - that would look absolutely stunning (okay, elegant) against the Milky White Italian Spruce !!!  
That would be OK, if no added cost, right?  You think, the rest would go for that if it was offered?

Oh well... the familiar feeling of waiting...

ricky
                        The H-bone would look traditional and would make bluesman and T the P happy. I guess it would'nt hurt to ask. But I'm not pushing for it.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 10, 2008, 12:55:51 AM
Lynda... there's nothing like begging or maybe a few kind words to Jim and the Power-that-be...   I know it's wishful thinking (and I hate that our CDN dollar is so weak)...

but I do hope against hope... that those of us outside the US-border will get some kind of a price break in all this.


If guitars were just cups of coffee, wouldn't it be great if we get every 10th purchase FREE?  (okay, another wishful thinking) :humour:

ricky

I like your optimism, but I'm not holding my breath.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 10, 2008, 01:04:24 AM
I thought I saw a recent run of L-03 saptops a few months back that featured herrinbone rosette and body trim and it didn't seem like they charged extra for it.  In fact, I seem to remember Trinity having one of them in stock?  It would look sweet, that picture of the Italian spruce top that Tuffy posted w/ herringbone looked real nice.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 10, 2008, 01:09:47 AM
Confession: I'm GAS-ing over a OM-05MT I saw for sale in pristine condition... and it's in Canadian dollars. :tongue:

But hey... I'm sober.  :angry:  Need to be disciplined and stay focused on this Forum Git III.

ricky...    Way to go Jeff... get out of guitar stores and stop looking at them guitars... me too  :humour:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluwood on December 10, 2008, 01:14:57 AM
I will probably wait until Friday before I put my order in stone, I would just like to see a little more info. But if I do go for it , I think it will be IS/Hog. I would go for the all Hog, but I already have a 000-15s and I think it would be too close to the same.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: dhill on December 10, 2008, 01:15:24 AM
I'm hoping for an abalone rosette...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 10, 2008, 01:31:28 AM
I'm hoping for an abalone rosette...

Me too! Either exotic wood or abalone. Personally, I would be really disappointed with the plain wood one. However, I am not the majority, so we will see.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: ark on December 10, 2008, 02:11:13 AM
I'm hoping for an abalone rosette...

Hmmmmmm  ..... how about a ring of rotating colored ights, like some of the chromatic guitar tuners use, in fact, they could be part of a built in tuner.

Gee -- What a great idea!




Or NOT!!

  :)

Al


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 10, 2008, 02:39:12 AM
should we have a poll thread for the rosette?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 10, 2008, 02:42:19 AM
should we have a poll thread for the rosette?
   I wouldn't think so, we'll probably be told when we get the specs and final price.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 10, 2008, 04:06:16 AM
I actually think abalone looks pretty good :)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Blue in VT on December 10, 2008, 02:13:56 PM
I actually think abalone looks pretty good :)

 :+1:

Looks ok to me.... :wink:...esp on a hog top..... :drool:

(http://i91.photobucket.com/albums/k285/csabick/MYOM-05mt-14reduced-2.jpg)

Ricky....don't look to close...this will get your OM-05MT jucies flowing again...they are sweet!

Blue


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 10, 2008, 02:26:35 PM
I think the single abalone ring looks better than the one with the extra rings.


(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa242/daddyo12453/P-05MT/IMG_0866_1_1.jpg)
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa242/daddyo12453/P-05MT/IMG_0882_4_1.jpg)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 10, 2008, 02:36:18 PM
I think the single abalone ring looks better than the one with the extra rings.


(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa242/daddyo12453/P-05MT/IMG_0866_1_1.jpg)
(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa242/daddyo12453/P-05MT/IMG_0882_4_1.jpg)

agree on parlours, but not larger bodies so much.  I like that second photo, makes the top look stunning.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 10, 2008, 02:45:00 PM
Ben, agreed, the single ring is quite lovely.  :cheers


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: dhill on December 10, 2008, 02:57:46 PM
Looks really nice...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 10, 2008, 03:27:05 PM
Single Abalone ring would be perfectly fine as far as I'm concerned.   Herringbone might be my first choice for body edge and rosette but this single abalone ring looks great on the hogtop. 

Let's try to have faith that JCL will come up with something he can be proud of and that we can all live with.

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 10, 2008, 03:30:12 PM
Has anybody thought about Maple fretboard binding instead of Ivoroid?  I know it's late in the game and probably can't be done, just wondering if anybody mentioned it.
 :cheers


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 10, 2008, 03:30:32 PM


Let's try to have faith that JCL will come up with something he can be proud of and that we can all live with.

Tuffythepug

Given that it was asking a lot for them to make this guitar in the first place, I think that is a very sensible conclusion.  After all, if it is all about perfect bling, this would be an LS-10 or something, and would be about $3000!!!!!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 10, 2008, 03:31:42 PM
Has anybody thought about Maple fretboard binding instead of Ivoroid?  I know it's late in the game and probably can't be done, just wondering if anybody mentioned it.
 :cheers

It has been in my mind all along, but I thought it a big ask so i didn't mention it.  I like the std ivoroid binding, so it wasn't that big a deal to me.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 10, 2008, 03:34:11 PM
I am sure JCL has his plan all figured out  :nanadance


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Blue in VT on December 10, 2008, 03:40:38 PM
The topic of Maple fingerboard binding has been brought up around here multiple times over the 3+ years I've been hanging around...and....as I understand it... the Larrive stance on this issue is that maple can/will discolor after repeated use...so I doubt this is a realistic request.

JCL will do ya'll right....and hopefully me to...

Blue


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 10, 2008, 03:41:29 PM
It has been in my mind all along, but I thought it a big ask so i didn't mention it.  I like the std ivoroid binding, so it wasn't that big a deal to me.

I just thought if they were putting binding on anyway is it that much more work to use Maple, it doesn't seem like it would be but I don't build guitars.
I recall another thread some time back where someone asked if Larrivee ever used Maple fretboard binding, someone else had a picture of one.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: L-fan on December 10, 2008, 03:45:22 PM
I am sure JCL has his plan all figured out  :nanadance

I hope that JCL can take some creative pleasure/satisfaction from this project.  Maybe not as much as we have, but hopefully he has fun with these requests.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 10, 2008, 03:51:39 PM
I hope that JCL can take some creative pleasure/satisfaction from this project.  Maybe not as much as we have, but hopefully he has fun with these requests.

I hope he isn't personally reading this thread.  He'll be considering the need for a new factory and workforce to accommodate all the options!!!!  Maybe it'll be in the UK?!?!?!?  Sorry, I just woke up! :bgrin:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 10, 2008, 03:53:14 PM
I found the thread that I was speaking of........
http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=18769.0

Look at Walkerman"s post


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 10, 2008, 04:02:05 PM
Folks... kindly review quickly the specs as we have agreed to date. I'll pass this on to Jim... or I hope he sees it, if he's up-to-date reading this record-breaking thread.

Specs are
LS-03 12 fret 4" depth Regular Scale  1 3/4 nut width

ideal details were

unusual headstock, maybe RW overlay and JCL inlay, or nothing, only a few people commented on this
Rosette not 03, and not abalone, maybe wood
maple binding
GOTOH or SCHALLER tuners
no fretboard dots, except 12th fret 3 dots on it or "III"   (there will be the usual dot side markers on the neck for the player to see)

OHSC (orig hard shell case - sorry for those who know this - but there are too many acronyms; I'm still learning)

I think the overall conclusion was to name it Forum Guitar III, although I still prefer 2009 Forum Guitar myself.... if JCL can sign would be nice


This is from BenF's summary.

BTW, I asked Jim this... I'm not pushing it, but thought I'd ask... Wish List if not additional cost: herringbone soundhole & purfling

PM me if we missed anything.

Thanks :smile: ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 10, 2008, 04:03:38 PM
I like the maple binding idea as well.. :bgrin:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 10, 2008, 04:23:14 PM
I think we should see how much upgraded tuners add before asking for them as a final spec. Nicer tunersd only run about $35 and up to self install and some don't change them at all. it's not something I'd be excited about paying more for if it's a lot more. Frankly, I'm just as happy with my $35 Gotoh Schaller as I'd be with the $100 Gotoh. Don't want to pony up for those.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 10, 2008, 04:28:41 PM
I actually like Larrivee's (paddle shaped head stock)....

I think we should actually consider the abalone since there are a few members wanting the abalone rosette


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on December 10, 2008, 04:49:41 PM
Let's try to have faith that JCL will come up with something he can be proud of and that we can all live with.

Tuffythepug

While we are not following Parliamentary procedure here I second Tuffy’s motion (which echoes my own from the first discussion thread.)

Jean Larrivee is a true artisan. I would much prefer to be a little surprised at the result of his creativity than to tie his hands and his heart.

I deeply respect the members of this forum. I am buying one of these partially because it represents our common love of these great guitars. But let there be no doubt that what I will treasure is the knowledge that JCL was willing (for the sake of 16) to create something special for us. How about let’s leave it to him to put his mark on it for us?

Norman


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 10, 2008, 04:53:24 PM
While we are not following Parliamentary procedure here I second Tuffy’s motion (which echoes my own from the first discussion thread.)

Jean Larrivee is a true artisan. I would much prefer to be a little surprised at the result of his creativity than to tie his hands and his heart.

I deeply respect the members of this forum. I am buying one of these partially because it represents our common love of these great guitars. But let there be no doubt that what I will treasure is the knowledge that JCL was willing (for the sake of 16) to create something special for us. How about let’s leave it to him to put his mark on it for us?

Norman


 :+1: :+1: :+1: :+1: :+1:

I tried a few times to say something similar, but I couldn't put it so elequently so I gave up.  Well said indeed. :thumbsup


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 10, 2008, 04:57:41 PM
While we are not following Parliamentary procedure here I second Tuffy’s motion (which echoes my own from the first discussion thread.)

Jean Larrivee is a true artisan. I would much prefer to be a little surprised at the result of his creativity than to tie his hands and his heart.

I deeply respect the members of this forum. I am buying one of these partially because it represents our common love of these great guitars. But let there be no doubt that what I will treasure is the knowledge that JCL was willing (for the sake of 16) to create something special for us. How about let’s leave it to him to put his mark on it for us?

Norman


Sounds good to me :)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 10, 2008, 04:58:30 PM
Three posts in a row that agree a single point!!!

RANDY, LOCK THE THREAD!!!!!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 10, 2008, 05:00:40 PM
While we are not following Parliamentary procedure here I second Tuffy’s motion (which echoes my own from the first discussion thread.)

Jean Larrivee is a true artisan. I would much prefer to be a little surprised at the result of his creativity than to tie his hands and his heart.

I deeply respect the members of this forum. I am buying one of these partially because it represents our common love of these great guitars. But let there be no doubt that what I will treasure is the knowledge that JCL was willing (for the sake of 16) to create something special for us. How about let’s leave it to him to put his mark on it for us?

Norman


Norman,

Beautifully said! I totally agree.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: L-fan on December 10, 2008, 05:28:10 PM
 :+1:

Very well said.  Let's give JCL some room to make some choices.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: naboz on December 10, 2008, 05:38:01 PM
Oh wow...I finally reached the end! And the thread isnt locked!
Congrats. to you all...I have a Spec. Ed. All Sapele OM w/abl. rosette.  This seems really similar, so I am once again passing on a Forum Guitar  :crying:
I do have to say, for those of you not sure on woods, Jean does mahog. brilliantly.  Now if this ends up with a spalted wood rosette, I'm gonna start losing hair-or selling it! 
Anybody seen a band of gypsies that I could sell a 14 yr. old son to?!    :humour:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 10, 2008, 08:25:33 PM
Ricky....don't look to close...this will get your OM-05MT jucies flowing again...they are sweet!

Blue

Thanks for the torture  :humour:   Glad I don't have the money... or I'd a bought that OM-05MT... I would have too many guitars and that's not good.

I only like to keep 1 or 2 that I will play a lot... as in all the time. 
Since the OO came, the Taylor & others have not seen much action. Except the Ami is the beat-it-up guitar now.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 10, 2008, 08:32:22 PM
While we are not following Parliamentary procedure here I second Tuffy’s motion (which echoes my own from the first discussion thread.)

Jean Larrivee is a true artisan. I would much prefer to be a little surprised at the result of his creativity than to tie his hands and his heart.

I deeply respect the members of this forum. I am buying one of these partially because it represents our common love of these great guitars. But let there be no doubt that what I will treasure is the knowledge that JCL was willing (for the sake of 16) to create something special for us. How about let’s leave it to him to put his mark on it for us?

Norman


Couldn't have said it any better for all of us... thanks Norman!  ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 10, 2008, 09:11:23 PM
Not that it really matters, but if a choice is proposed then I really don't like the abalone rosette. Still, I agree that we should let the Larrivee family handle the niceties.

Cheers,
Adam


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 10, 2008, 09:18:36 PM
"we are not following Parliamentary procedure "

Let's hope not. That would mean no deciding anything for what, another 54 or so days? I for one, am just a little smug at finally seeing some Canadian political drama.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 10, 2008, 09:20:19 PM
Has anyone thought about the pickguard issue.  A seperate thread reminded me.  Most people didn't want one, so should those that do specify that they want one, or can JH put them on?  I honestly don't know, just raising the question before it is too late.  It is easier to put one on than to take one off surely.

Ben


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 10, 2008, 09:25:05 PM
As the majority of my use will likely be without a pick, I would prefer my pickguard to be included, but not attached.

Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 10, 2008, 10:02:16 PM
I like the new pickguards they have been using...don't care for the clear. I like the in the case idea...ought to prevent some arguments. If the guitar comes without one I have a spare Greven Tortis in my junk drawer.....


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 10, 2008, 10:22:10 PM
Has anyone thought about the pickguard issue.  A seperate thread reminded me.  Most people didn't want one, so should those that do specify that they want one, or can JH put them on?  I honestly don't know, just raising the question before it is too late.  It is easier to put one on than to take one off surely.

Ben
pickguards can be made available for those who request it DETACHED and Jim will gladly install it.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 10, 2008, 11:23:39 PM
Congratulations boys and girls..............the magic number of 16 orders has been reached on the form guitar order thread.   :cheers

I guess this is gonna happen.    I still have a hard time getting my head around the fact that this whole business started just a couple of weeks ago and we are at the order stage right now.
I guess if it wasn't for Ricky and a few other people steamrolling this along it wouldn't have happened at all.  The last attempt to get a new forum guitar off the ground failed miserably and died a very un-dignified death.
The right people at the right time made this happen; make no mistake about it.  If you are ordering a forum III say a silent thank you to all who made it a reality.    :thumb

Tuffythepug



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 10, 2008, 11:49:28 PM
Hey, Tuffy

are your friends from the lefty forum hopping on this wagon???


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 10, 2008, 11:53:15 PM
es-335
they have expressed interest in it.   They are probably still wading through 40 pages of this thread. :bgrin:   I expect at least one of them to sign on.

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 10, 2008, 11:55:12 PM
Yes, kudos to Ricky and the gang for their diligent efforts!!!
 :cheers


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 11, 2008, 12:13:22 AM
pickguards can be made available for those who request it DETACHED and Jim will gladly install it.

ricky

Good to know. As I am still new at this, I will be going the pickguard route. Do we need to specify that we require one in the order thread?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 11, 2008, 12:14:24 AM
Hey Tuffy,

I think that you and I deserve a commission for bringing other people in on this.  :roll  :humour:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 11, 2008, 12:16:27 AM
Good to know. As I am still new at this, I will be going the pickguard route. Do we need to specify that we require one in the order thread?
                         I feel very certain that a P.G. will be included in the case.

              Tuffy and Norman  :+1: to letting JCL do his stuff. I don't mind a little surprise myself.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 11, 2008, 12:25:00 AM
Hey Tuffy,
 
I think that you and I deserve a commission for bringing other people in on this.  :roll  :humour:


Hey girl
If there was such a thing as commission there are plenty of more deserving than I.    I wouldn't mine lettin' you have my share.  :winkin:  I struck it rich in the spare change and alum can recycling game, remember ? :roll

Tuiffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 11, 2008, 01:10:47 AM
Hey Tuffy,

I think that you and I deserve a commission for bringing other people in on this.  :roll  :humour:

In that case, may I have my guitar pro bono?  :laughin: :roll 

Is this another one of those... when cows fly?  Okay, I'll shut up now.

ricky  :tongue:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 11, 2008, 01:25:11 AM
In that case, may I have my guitar pro bono?  :laughin: :roll 

Is this another one of those... when cows fly?  Okay, I'll shut up now.

ricky  :tongue:

Hey, my friend did put his order in here today. However, yes, this is likely another of those... when cows fly.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 11, 2008, 01:29:48 AM
Okay, here is a situation.

2 People in the order thread has said, they would like a 12 string option..

Is that even possible?

I didn't think so.. but I guess I don't really know much...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 11, 2008, 01:40:17 AM
2 People in the order thread has said, they would like a 12 string option..

Short answer: NO

Long answer: Someone PMed me about a short scale special order. There were even 3 persons. Answer: NO

I guess, we're pretty fortunate to have not 1, not 2 but a total of 3 tonewood choices....

other than that, it's all LS-03 specs with 4" depth plus hopefully some yummy surprises from the maestro himself - JCL.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BlastersFan55 on December 11, 2008, 01:43:50 AM
Also, after further scrolling through the threads, I think I see that 16 was the limit (I think)?.   :?  If that's the case, my apologies for throwing in my order at #17 or 18 - my eyeballs were just about to fall out of my head reading the history of this great idea.

I thought 16 was the minimum.  Hey, if anybody drops out, Im' in!  And...thanks again for everybody's  work on this.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 11, 2008, 01:45:32 AM
Also, after further scrolling through the threads, I think I see that 16 was the limit (I think)?.   :?  If that's the case, my apologies for throwing in my order at #17 or 18 - my eyeballs were just about to fall out of my head reading the history of this great idea.

I thought 16 was the minimum.  Hey, if anybody drops out, Im' in!  And...thanks again for everybody's  work on this.


16 was the minimum that we needed, not the maximum...so you're fine


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 11, 2008, 01:51:52 AM
I don't think there is an upper limit on this forum III order. In fact I'm sure JCL would love to build as many as we want as long as the minimum of 16 is met.
Re:   12 string option....when I read this on the forum guitar order thread I thought that someone was making a joke.  If you've gotten inquiries from others about a 12 string option they just must not be paying attention.  In fact I still can't believe that some people think this is a steel string instead of a nylon classical guitar.
Honestly.....some people just don't pay attention at all.   :whistling:


Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BlastersFan55 on December 11, 2008, 01:52:00 AM
Wonderful.....thanks!!    :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 11, 2008, 02:07:10 AM
it may be helpul to reiterate that the specs have been settled on, on the order thread. It may be the confusion is that it's a 'what would you like?' Which was what this Goliath of a thread was.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 11, 2008, 02:15:57 AM
Thanks Holly,

I'll get on it


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 11, 2008, 02:19:09 AM
    Ricky, as soon as we get the final specs can we turn this over to the Moderators and just make it an order forum.
                                   Take it or leave it kind a deal....so we can end the endless confusion.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 11, 2008, 02:25:25 AM
    Ricky, as soon as we get the final specs can we turn this over to the Moderators and just make it an order forum.
                                   Take it or leave it kind a deal....so we can end the endless confusion.

Agreed and sooner than later please!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 11, 2008, 02:29:22 AM
    Ricky, as soon as we get the final specs can we turn this over to the Moderators and just make it an order forum.
                                   Take it or leave it kind a deal....so we can end the endless confusion.

Hopefully tomorrow Thursday Dec 11.   When the Specs are finalized by Larrivee via Jim Holler, we shall post it & request the Moderators to close this thread.

For the record:

LS-03 is the Forum Git III, 12Fret to body, Reg Scale, 4" depth following first issue LS specs

Steel String, 1 size uniform specs with a choice of 3 tonewood combos.

No other options offered (no cutaways, no 12 strings, no short scale).


I hope this is clear enough.

Thanks,

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 11, 2008, 02:42:42 AM
Hopefully tomorrow Thursday Dec 11.   When the Specs are finalized by Larrivee via Jim Holler, we shall post it & request the Moderators to close this thread.

For the record:

LS-03 is the Forum Git III, 12Fret to body, Reg Scale, 4" depth following first issue LS specs

Steel String, 1 size uniform specs with a choice of 3 tonewood combos.

No other options offered (no cutaways, no 12 strings, no short scale).


I hope this is clear enough.

Thanks,

ricky
Thanks Ricky, it is clear to most of us, but the knuckle balls keep coming  :rolleye:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Zohn on December 11, 2008, 08:00:40 AM
Randy, Ricky
I've refrained from this topic all along, the price would probably be double for me if it is shipped from the States because of (ridiculous shipping charges).
I wonder though as a matter of (great) interest, in which facility will these be made - British Collumbia? If so, I might be "in" if it could be shipped directly to a friend's address in Calgary. I noticed that orders are placed via a dealer though, and would it be possible to go an "alternative" route to accommodate a special case?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 11, 2008, 12:34:14 PM
I noticed that orders are placed via a dealer though, and would it be possible to go an "alternative" route to accommodate a special case?

I'd touch base with Jim at Trinity on these kinds of issues...I'm sure he's been through this before...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 11, 2008, 01:37:09 PM
I'd touch base with Jim at Trinity on these kinds of issues...I'm sure he's been through this before...

I am also interested to hear if this is possible. Since it is being made in BC, it would be a whole lot easier to ship directly to me in Ontario, if, of course, this is possible. Looking forward to hearing.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: VictimOfComfort on December 11, 2008, 01:58:10 PM
I'd be keen on the direct shipping as well; I live just a few kilometers away from lyric_girl (combined shipping discount?  Yaaaaaay!... just kidding).  I'd go through the hurdles/trouble/torture of getting it across the border if I had to for something this special, but it would be nice to avoid it if I could.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr Wintle on December 11, 2008, 06:23:02 PM
Make that four.  I'm in Ontario.

Cheeres


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 11, 2008, 06:23:36 PM
Don't forget, Ricky's in Alberta, so he would be our fifth.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 11, 2008, 06:23:54 PM
and manitoba here..


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 11, 2008, 06:24:48 PM
and manitoba here..

Sorry Jeff... so that's 6


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 11, 2008, 06:55:22 PM
Breaking News

Just got off the phone with Jim Holler.     Folks, FYI... Jean Larrivee has given a significant contribution towards the Forum Git III. He has to stay in business, so does Jim.

Same specs, standard 03 tuners,    soundhole question must be resolved.

JCL will not do any more artistic surprises or freebees. We were all hoping for that, but today's economy makes it prohibitive.

So,.... hear hear...

Prices will remain the same if we stick with standard 03-soundhole rosette.

Additional $50 for herringbone rosette (no purfling !!! this will be extra 200, we already said NO to 200-short-scale).



We need to VOTE on:     03-Rosette  Same Price;     Herringbone-rosette $50 additional.


Either way, guitar prices will still be well south of 1200 USD.




As soon as we decide the rosette issue, Jim can start taking orders

(starting today, deposits may be received within a 2-week or 4-week period; which will make approx delivery date of mid-March to late-March -   12 weeks to production).


You can email Jim for exact price.



Let's keep this simple.......                    Herringbone or Standard........Can moderator start a POLL thread, Randy please?

I'm assuming a $50 extra will not be a deal breaker for anyone at this point.

ricky

PS - For the Italian upgrade... we're still well within our target prices... given the 15% Larrivee price hike.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 11, 2008, 07:03:16 PM
Thanks Ricky for the updated news.  There were 3 common features that were reaccuring conversation regarding unique and simple features on this guitar I would like some info on.

What was said about a 3 microdot 12-fret?

What was said about no fret markers?

What was said about no pickguard attached? 


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: L-fan on December 11, 2008, 07:11:36 PM
We are getting soooo close here!  Just one more issue to resolve - let's get it done!!!
 :nanadance :nanadance :nanadance



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 11, 2008, 07:12:41 PM
Let's keep this simple.......                    Herringbone or Standard........Can moderator start a POLL thread, Randy please?
Please include pictures so it is clear which we are selecting.  If they are available, it would be good to see the difference between these on MT vs IS.  Does it have to be the same rosette for both IS and MT?  One might look better on one than the other.  BTW, isn't the abalone rosette standard on the 03MT?  GA shows an L-03MT (sapele) with the abalone rosette.  I just thought I would mention it in case it was standard on the 03MT.  Since I am getting IS, I might prefer herringbone, though I need to find a picture to decide.

Thanks.

Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 11, 2008, 07:15:21 PM
I would imagine that it would have to be the same rosette for all three wood choices, so not to drive Mr. Larrivee to drink.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 11, 2008, 07:16:58 PM
Why don't we add our choice of rosette to our order. That way, you don't get folks participating in the poll that aren't ordering? Just a thought.  :wave


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: L-fan on December 11, 2008, 07:22:52 PM
Please include pictures so it is clear which we are selecting.  If they are available, it would be good to see the difference between these on MT vs IS.  Does it have to be the same rosette for both IS and MT?  One might look better on one than the other.  BTW, isn't the abalone rosette standard on the 03MT?  GA shows an L-03MT (sapele) with the abalone rosette.  I just thought I would mention it in case it was standard on the 03MT.  Since I am getting IS, I might prefer herringbone, though I need to find a picture to decide.

Thanks.

Tim

For what it's worth, I just took two quick snaps of my guitars - two 03s - one that has Herringbone and the other doesn't.



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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 11, 2008, 07:23:40 PM
I would imagine that it would have to be the same rosette for all three wood choices, so not to drive Mr. Larrivee to drink.
I was just thinking that there may be a different definition of standard depending on which top people were looking at.  If the L-03MT (sapele) at GA is standard, then the standard rosette for MT is abalone.  What is standard for IS may be different.  I don't know and would like to know.

Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 11, 2008, 07:23:49 PM
Why don't we add our choice of rosette to our order. That way, you don't get folks participating in the poll that aren't ordering? Just a thought.  :wave

We need to nail down the rosette to get to the final price. We still don't have a final price...although we do have a price range.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 11, 2008, 07:24:26 PM
I have 19 people on my list.

I am wondering the people on the list should perhaps PM ricky with their preference...

This way people who are not participating in this project aren't able to vote....

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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 11, 2008, 07:25:33 PM
Mine is on order, Forum III #2 in the run of ???

DETAILS:

There will be 3 Microdots on the 12th Fret (known forever to forumites as "the mark of Tuffythepug")
There will be no fretmarkers (only on the binding so that none of us get lost on the fretboard)
Ask for pickguard off if it's your preference


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 11, 2008, 07:28:13 PM
Don't forget to vote YES for Herringbone!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 11, 2008, 07:37:31 PM
For what it's worth, I just took two quick snaps of my guitars - two 03s - one that has Herringbone and the other doesn't.
Thanks for the pics.  I like the look of the herringbone.  With an even lighter color spruce, it should look very nice.

Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 11, 2008, 07:41:33 PM
Bluesman67
I ordered mine about two minutes after you did.  :roll

I guess I'll be #3 of  ???

Good news about the 3 dots on the 12th I think.  (the mark of tuffythepug  :tongue:)

For those undecided about the herringbone.   I thought that the herringbone rosette without the matching purfling would look odd but I may be mistaken.   I would go for the $50 rosette but probably not the additional $200 for the purflng.

If you want to know what it would look like with maple binding and herringbone rosette just looke at this L-03SP w/herriingbone that Jim Holler has on his site.   You can go there to see more pictures of this.   What do you guys think ?



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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 11, 2008, 07:41:45 PM
I have 19 people on my list.

I am wondering the people on the list should perhaps PM ricky with their preference...

This way people who are not participating in this project aren't able to vote....

How do you know if people not on the list are participating or not?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 11, 2008, 07:41:57 PM
Thanks Ricky for the updated news.  There were 3 common features that were reaccuring conversation regarding unique and simple features on this guitar I would like some info on.

What was said about a 3 microdot 12-fret?

What was said about no fret markers?

What was said about no pickguard attached? 

3 Yes-es.  

We'll get the 3dots on 12th, yes.  

No fret markers, yes.  

Pickguards detached & in case & Jim will install upon request, yes.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BlastersFan55 on December 11, 2008, 07:43:18 PM
Once again, thanks to everybody who made this thing happen.  No doubt, these will be very special guitars to all of us.  Anyway, here's my preferences for the remaining questions, but keep in mind I know I'll be happy with the finished product whether or not my choices make the cut or not.

Rosette - Herringbone.  I have it on my OM-09, and I think it looks great, and I think it would look even better with IS.

Pick Guard - None

I would prefer fretmarkers.

:thumb


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 11, 2008, 07:43:59 PM
How do I order, can I do it by email?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 11, 2008, 07:44:55 PM
How do I order, can I do it by email?

Email or phone Jim directly.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 11, 2008, 07:47:38 PM
Please include pictures so it is clear which we are selecting.  If they are available, it would be good to see the difference between these on MT vs IS.  Does it have to be the same rosette for both IS and MT?  One might look better on one than the other.  BTW, isn't the abalone rosette standard on the 03MT?  GA shows an L-03MT (sapele) with the abalone rosette.  I just thought I would mention it in case it was standard on the 03MT.  Since I am getting IS, I might prefer herringbone, though I need to find a picture to decide.

Thanks.

Tim

No abalone. I'm told Vancouver factory not equipped for that.

Herringbone pic... Tuffy posted some.  You can look at Trinity Guitars for L-03 sapele with h-bone.



When we go H-bone... alll will have H-bone....                     UNIFORM specs. Only CHOICES are tonewood COMBOS.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: dhill on December 11, 2008, 07:47:46 PM
I'd pay extra for abalone, but I just don't really dig the herringbone, and am not terribly interested in paying an extra $50 for it. I'd rather invest the $ in better tuners.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 11, 2008, 07:49:22 PM
Bluesman67
I ordered mine about two minutes after you did.  :roll

I guess I'll be #3 of  ???
And I'm right after you with #4.   :bgrin:

My vote is for herringbone, though I'm not sure who to tell.  Jeff said to PM Ricky and Ricky wanted a poll from Randy.  Sounds like a song...   :laughin:

Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 11, 2008, 07:49:47 PM
Pickguard question:

Gits will have pickguard inside case DETACHED.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 11, 2008, 07:50:55 PM
The only choice to make at this point is yes or no on the $50 herringbone rosette and whether or not you want a pickguard.  The pickguard is a personal option and the rosette will be decided for all by popular vote.  There is no need for any further requests outside of this, everthing else is already standardized.

Vote YES on HERRINGBONE!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 11, 2008, 07:51:20 PM
Ricky,

I thought by posting in the order thread that those were our orders? Wrong?

Lynda


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 11, 2008, 07:52:29 PM
Lynda, call or email Jim.  That is how the orders will be placed.

I'm going to start a Rosette Poll, please make a choice if you are buying a Forum III.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 11, 2008, 08:03:37 PM
I just spoke to Jim and ordered mine.  :nice guitar:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 11, 2008, 08:10:33 PM
I ordered by email, but my computer sent it twice, so I had to phone and confirm I only wanted one.  I wish I hadn't now!!!! :bgrin:



Well done, and thanks to Ricky, Jeff, Danny, Tuffy the fretboard designer etc. etc. for making this happen!!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Cybercanyon on December 11, 2008, 08:20:04 PM
Well its done.  I ordered mine. :bgrin:

Mike

P.S.     Thanks to all who made this possible. :thumbsup


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 11, 2008, 08:26:41 PM
I ordered by email, but my computer sent it twice, so I had to phone and confirm I only wanted one.  I wish I hadn't now!!!! :bgrin:



Well done, and thanks to Ricky, Jeff, Danny, Tuffy the fretboard designer etc. etc. for making this happen!!!

Thanks Ben for all your hard work.     I'll have to make sure I order too...   ricky  :smile:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 11, 2008, 08:32:33 PM
P.S.     Thanks to all who made this possible. :thumbsup
Definitely!  Thanks everyone for all of the hard work.  Thanks to JCL and JH also.   :thumbsup

Now comes the harder part...waiting.   :coffee :donut2 :donut :cheers

Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BlastersFan55 on December 11, 2008, 08:32:46 PM
Just sent off an email to Jim myslef!

 :cheers


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr Wintle on December 11, 2008, 08:49:24 PM
Lynda,

What did Jim have to say about CDN shipping?

Or are you planning to drive a cube van down and pick them all up?

Cheers


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 11, 2008, 08:51:55 PM
I started at the beginning again, but lost the will to live after about 10 pages.  I wonder if anyone can tell me when the first and seconf forum guitars were built.  I assume four or five years ago.

Thanks

ben


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 11, 2008, 09:08:51 PM
The first batch was delivered in January of '05.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 11, 2008, 09:13:23 PM
The first batch was delivered in January of '05.

Thank you.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: LookingForLarri on December 11, 2008, 09:27:11 PM
I believe the first batch were in 2003 ??? Randy ??

The second batch were delivered April of 2005.  Here is the spec sheet I posted for that run

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/LookingforLarri/Sold%20-%20Larrivee%20Forum%20II/ForumListing.jpg)

leaving the great white north
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/LookingforLarri/Sold%20-%20Larrivee%20Forum%20II/MVC-102F.jpg)

home at last
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/LookingforLarri/Sold%20-%20Larrivee%20Forum%20II/Larri034.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v685/LookingforLarri/Sold%20-%20Larrivee%20Forum%20II/Larri042.jpg)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on December 11, 2008, 10:04:30 PM
#9  :nanadance

Keep those orders rolling in!

Norman

Yes, I know this is a redundant post in a very long thread, but I can't jump and shout to anyone else but my dog right now.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 11, 2008, 10:06:30 PM
I believe the first batch were in 2003 ??? Randy ??

The second batch were delivered April of 2005.  Here is the spec sheet I posted for that run

The first batch was delivered in January of the same year (2005).


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: dhill on December 11, 2008, 10:31:15 PM
I'm waiting to order until after the rosette issue is settled. I'm not a big herringbone fan, and am not thrilled about paying extra for it...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 11, 2008, 10:47:34 PM
Please do not contact Jim Holler at this time, until the order is finallized. Jim says he is getting lots of email, which he will answer once the specs are finallized by this group.

The orders should be put together here. Thanks. Once thats done, if you want to pay Jim extra for a special saddle, or setup, or electronics, please do so at that time.

If I'm missing some fine point, please PM me.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 11, 2008, 10:49:40 PM
The first batch was delivered in January of the same year (2005).

There's an echo in here...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 11, 2008, 10:49:53 PM
Please do not contact Jim Holler at this time, until the order is finallized. Jim says he is getting lots of email, which he will answer once the specs are finallized by this group. The orders should be put together here. Thanks. Once thats done, if you want to pay Jim extra for a special saddle, or setup, or electronics, please do so at that time.

If I'm missing some fine point, please PM me.

ps. sorry for raining on the parade. 

Jim includes a bone saddle and set up with the guitar, that is what he told me when I placed my order.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 11, 2008, 10:52:19 PM
Also...it looks like the final price is determined, as are the final specs.  On the herringbone poll, 19 buyers have voted and 14 voted for herringbone.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 11, 2008, 10:53:51 PM
I missed the boat then, because what I got was an estimate. Do you have some info I don't? How is it that you know everyone has voted?

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 11, 2008, 11:04:27 PM
I missed the boat then, because what I got was an estimate. Do you have some info I don't? How is it that you know everyone has voted?

holly
And how do you know the final price?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 11, 2008, 11:06:21 PM
I don't. I got the same estimate that I assume everyone did, from Ricky.  If I still have it I can PM  it to you.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 11, 2008, 11:07:44 PM
Holly,

I don't know everyone has voted but enough have so that the outcome is determined.  We had 19 buyers and that has grown to 20.  75% of them want herringbone.  Even if we get a total of 35 buyers it will still be herringbone unless each person wants plain, that would be a tie.

We have an estimate price because only Jim can give you exact.  Mine is on order with Jim.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 11, 2008, 11:21:54 PM
sorry if I jumped the gun. It seemed to make sense to go direct to jim. Hysteria got the better of me. It's done now.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 11, 2008, 11:29:37 PM
Folks....

I PMed Randy with this...   hope this clears up things. BTW, safe to assume unresolved rosette issue is not a deal breaker for those who already ordered. H-bone leading.

ricky

JIM's EMAIL TO ME:

Ricky, ...  I have not had a chance to get to the forum today. I do not see any issue with people calling to order. I am telling them the price with and without Herringbone and everyone that has called will take it either way. I am telling them that I will not run the credit cards for a deposit until I know about the rosette.  There are 11 confirmed orders including yours and mine so far.
Thank you
Jim Holler, Luthier
Trinity Guitars


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 11, 2008, 11:31:24 PM
Assuming the official ordering period were to begin now, when should we cut it off? 2 weeks, 4 weeks?


I will post ordering info in the locked thread about the specs.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Cybenator on December 11, 2008, 11:40:42 PM
I believe that calling Jim appears to be the safest bet, period! The Mods and post starters are all getting confused, and only Jim can confirm he truly has your correct order.  Not stirring any trouble, just after 3  Topics and almost 50 pages of confusion, its very hard to follow with all the changes..


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 11, 2008, 11:41:13 PM
Assuming the official ordering period were to begin now, when should we cut it off? 2 weeks, 4 weeks?


I will post ordering info in the locked thread about the specs.

 So we do we contact Jim now or not?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 11, 2008, 11:43:52 PM
 So we do we contact Jim now or not?

Jim's taking orders now...  read my previous post quoting Jim.

2 weeks minimum... longer if need be.   It's important to reach the MINIMUM 16... better if we receive beyond 16 of course!

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 11, 2008, 11:48:10 PM
Assuming the official ordering period were to begin now, when should we cut it off? 2 weeks, 4 weeks?


I will post ordering info in the locked thread about the specs.


I think four weeks, that will get some people past Christmas. Unless some can't wait an extra two weeks, I know some of you would like to get the Forum guitar "for" Christmas.  :nanadance


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 11, 2008, 11:49:10 PM
this has been a blast folks. 20 or so adults as excited and manic as 7 year olds on Christmas morning


Happy days

Ben


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 11, 2008, 11:54:06 PM
this has been a blast folks. 20 or so adults as excited and manic as 7 year olds on Christmas morning


Happy days

Ben

Where's my spiked egg nog ?? ....   :arrow


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 12, 2008, 12:10:16 AM
Assuming the official ordering period were to begin now, when should we cut it off? 2 weeks, 4 weeks?
I remember reading that there would be a forum broadcast email to make sure all members were informed of the group purchase.  I would think that allowing one week after that broadcast email should be sufficient time for any orders to be sent in.

Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 12, 2008, 12:13:37 AM
I remember reading that there would be a forum broadcast email to make sure all members were informed of the group purchase.  I would think that allowing one week after that broadcast email should be sufficient time for any orders to be sent in.

Tim

There are still a few questions that I'd like to nail down before we send out the broadcast. Hopefully I can ask Zach to do the broadcast Friday.

And i want feedback from Jim Holler on the cut-off date.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 12, 2008, 12:16:21 AM
There are still a few questions that I'd like to nail down before we send out the broadcast. Hopefully I can ask Zach to do the broadcast Friday.

And i want feedback from Jim Holler on the cut-off date.
                 Thanks for your help Randy. :donut


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 12, 2008, 12:22:03 AM
Lynda,

What did Jim have to say about CDN shipping?

Or are you planning to drive a cube van down and pick them all up?

Cheers

He said he was gonna try.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 12, 2008, 12:29:39 AM
There are still a few questions that I'd like to nail down before we send out the broadcast. Hopefully I can ask Zach to do the broadcast Friday.

And i want feedback from Jim Holler on the cut-off date.
I completely understand.  Since you were asking about possible cut-off dates, I was just suggesting that (whatever the cut-off date is), it should be in relation to that broadcast email (whenever that email is sent).

Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 12, 2008, 12:41:58 AM
Where's my spiked egg nog ?? ....   :arrow

I have the egg nog, now all I need is some rum.



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 12, 2008, 12:52:03 AM
Every BUYER of Forum Git III - please review the following specs. Unless I miss anything, I'll submit this to Jim Holler ( I already PMed this to Randy).  Thanks, ricky

The Forum Guitar III is your opportunity to own an out-of-production Larrivee guitar.

It is a LS-03 steel 6-string guitar with the following features:

NON-cutaway
4” depth based on the first edition LS bodies of the late 1990s.
12 Fret to the body
Regular Scale
1 ¾” nut width
Satin Finish

No fretboard markers except Tuffy’s 3 Dots on the 12th Fret (dots on neck edge binding)
Other standard 03 appointments (maple binding, headstock, tuners, logo)
Label: 2009 Forum Guitar III (hopefully, signed by JCL)
OHSC with DETACHED tortoise pickguard (Jim will install only IF requested)

Free Shipping within ConUS.

RATIONALE:
In keeping with our economic situation, Forumites desire a reasonably priced low-bling guitar that offers Larrivee sound and quality suitable for the fingerstylist, moderate strummer or the player desiring a comfortable guitar that is both a looker and a player.

You only have 3 choices to make. All you have to do is choose any or all of the following:

(1) LS-03 Italian Spruce / South American Mahogany

(2) LS-03MT ALL South American Mahogany (Top, Back & Sides)

(3) LS-03R Italian Spruce / Indian Rosewood

Now that Herringbone rosette is final decision, there will be additional $50 to price which is still well south of 1200 USD.


ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 12, 2008, 12:56:14 AM
No fretboard markers except Tuffy’s 3 Dots on the 12th Fret
and the edge binding markers.

There seems to have been some confusion on this before.

Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 12, 2008, 01:01:17 AM
   Thanks Ricky, but we still need pricing and spec info. to come forth. I know what has already been posted so I am not hesitant to proceed but some will be until these issues are cleared up.
    I think it is a given that the rosette should be H-bone. So that's one less thing to resolve. But we still have some solid facts missing.
    I guess we need Jim Holler to give us the specs and get the ordering done. But that is a mess at this point. We have an ordering thread and we are told to contact Jim. So we are not at the finish line yet. But we can see it.
                                    Danny  :donut


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 12, 2008, 01:01:29 AM
and the edge binding markers.

There seems to have been some confusion on this before.

Tim

Tim, thanks. I knew I may have forgotten something. I'll add that and the MAPLE BINDING on the body.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 12, 2008, 01:04:09 AM
You forgot mine is supposed to be stuffed with cash. Not those Canadian dollars niether.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 12, 2008, 01:05:06 AM
  Thanks Ricky, but we still need pricing and spec info. to come forth. I know what has already been posted so I am not hesitant to proceed but some will be until these issues are cleared up.
    I think it is a given that the rosette should be H-bone. So that's one less thing to resolve. But we still have some solid facts missing.
    I guess we need Jim Holler to give us the specs and get the ordering done. But that is a mess at this point. We have an ordering thread and we are told to contact Jim. So we are not at the finish line yet. But we can see it.
                                    Danny  :donut

Please email/PM Ricky.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 12, 2008, 01:14:15 AM
  Thanks Ricky, but we still need pricing and spec info. to come forth. I know what has already been posted so I am not hesitant to proceed but some will be until these issues are cleared up.
    I think it is a given that the rosette should be H-bone. So that's one less thing to resolve. But we still have some solid facts missing.
    I guess we need Jim Holler to give us the specs and get the ordering done. But that is a mess at this point. We have an ordering thread and we are told to contact Jim. So we are not at the finish line yet. But we can see it.
                                    Danny  :donut

Hey Danny
The price is available with a phone call to Jim.  I called him today to get a price and to ask about a L-03 SP with herringbone rosette he has on his site.  I was curious about the rosette without the matching purfling.  I thought it might look funny but it doesn't.  He told me he had already taken two orders before I called and he told me I could go ahead and place my order now too.  I gave him a cc number and the deal was done.  the only thing that had yet to be decided was the rosette and I see that it is now official:  herringbone it is.    I know Jim doesn't mind giving out the prices and taking the orders.   For what it's worth.... I was very pleased with the price he quoted me for a hog top including a bone saddle he is throwing in and shipping.  It ended up less than I expected.   Get yer order in !  the herringbone on the IS is going to look very cool I think.

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 12, 2008, 01:22:11 AM
Keep looking at SPECS... just modified it again... only adding stuff as I remember and others point out.

Randy, Jim and I are finally in sync email-wise.

Culprit... was my hotmail address in the MSN thingy in the Profile

But my EMAIL in my profile is  gmail.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 12, 2008, 01:27:28 AM
Keep looking at SPECS... just modified it again... only adding stuff as I remember and others point out.

Randy, Jim and I are finally in sync email-wise.

Culprit... was my hotmail address in the MSN thingy in the Profile

But my EMAIL in my profile is  gmail.

ricky
Just click the 'Profile' button at the top and then click 'Account related settings' under 'Modify Profile' on the left.  The form on the right will have an email address field.

Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 12, 2008, 01:28:42 AM
Hey Danny
The price is available with a phone call to Jim.  I called him today to get a price and to ask about a L-03 SP with herringbone rosette he has on his site.  I was curious about the rosette without the matching purfling.  I thought it might look funny but it doesn't.  He told me he had already taken two orders before I called and he told me I could go ahead and place my order now too.  I gave him a cc number and the deal was done.  the only thing that had yet to be decided was the rosette and I see that it is now official:  herringbone it is.    I know Jim doesn't mind giving out the prices and taking the orders.   For what it's worth.... I was very pleased with the price he quoted me for a hog top including a bone saddle he is throwing in and shipping.  It ended up less than I expected.   Get yer order in !  the herringbone on the IS is going to look very cool I think.

Tuffythepug

Check your PM's


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 12, 2008, 01:30:10 AM
Keep looking at SPECS... just modified it again... only adding stuff as I remember and others point out.

Randy, Jim and I are finally in sync email-wise.

Culprit... was my hotmail address in the MSN thingy in the Profile

But my EMAIL in my profile is  gmail.

ricky

Thanks Ricky.

I've updated the Specs and Orders thread. Hopefully we'll have all questions answered by Friday.



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 12, 2008, 01:30:46 AM
This is probably a REALLY stupid time to be asking this, but what does the LS acronym stand for. I know what an L is, but not an LS.

Thanks,


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 12, 2008, 01:32:16 AM
Small (I think)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 12, 2008, 01:32:57 AM
Makes sense. Thanks.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 12, 2008, 01:35:46 AM
Small (I think)
    LSmall body.... Which leads to a ? What are the bouts, waist and length of the body and the neck going to be? We know it is supposed to be 4'' at the end pin. But what about the others?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 12, 2008, 01:36:43 AM
The specs were posted many pages ago by Mary.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 12, 2008, 01:48:09 AM
The specs were posted many pages ago by Mary.
               Thanks, but Mary is not building the guitar and I have had them come in different sizes already, so I like to nail it down. You must have seen some of my posts about my 2 different LSV-11's. Frankly that is why I pushed this LS-03 from the start. I actually wanted a LSV-03 at first. But I went along in any way I could to see this happen.
                         And now it is!
                                               AND I AM HAPPY  :thumbsup


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 12, 2008, 01:49:36 AM
               Thanks, but Mary is not building the guitar and I have had them come in different sizes already, so I like to nail it down. You must have seen some of my posts about my 2 different LSV-11's. Frankly that is why I pushed this LS-03 from the start. I actually wanted a LSV-03 at first. But I went along in any way I could to see this happen.
                         And now it is!
                                               AND I AM HAPPY  :thumbsup

Whatever!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 12, 2008, 01:50:20 AM
we'll have the exact body specs on Friday.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 12, 2008, 01:51:15 AM
  THANKS, I figure the neck may be different.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 12, 2008, 05:16:45 AM
You forgot mine is supposed to be stuffed with cash. Not those Canadian dollars niether.

holly

Pesos okay? ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 12, 2008, 08:59:48 AM
I think there may be some stiff competition for April 2009 Guitar of the Month.  I am going to arrange to have mne shipped to Scotland via Spain, so that Ponte can snap it for me!!! :humour:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Denis on December 12, 2008, 11:36:09 AM
Wow...a 12 fret LS-03...sweet!  Congrats to all of you!!  If I had some $, I'd buy a hog/is.  They're gonna be some nice guitars!!!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Jagadis on December 12, 2008, 01:16:55 PM
New member here who is thinking of taking the plunge.  Two questions....

1)  I live in Toronto, Canada.  The guitar is being manufactured in Vancouver, Canada.  Any chance the guitar can be directly shipped to my Toronto home from the factory vs. going to Jim in the USA and then back over the border?  As soon as you have to ship back and forth over the Canada-USA border you risk offending the government customs/sales tax gods.  It seems easier/cheaper to ship to Canada directly from the factory.  Is this possible?

2)  I've got a D-03 spruce/hog right now.  How will this compare.  I mostly play folk, finger style stuff.

3)  Can someone (Ricky) email me the estimated price?  (jordan dot kalpin at bell dot ca)  I'm potentially interested in a IS/RW combo. 

Btw...great discussion here and what a great bunch of folks!

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 12, 2008, 01:20:37 PM
Jordan,

The Canadian shipping issue is being looked into.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 12, 2008, 01:48:50 PM
New member here who is thinking of taking the plunge.  Two questions....

1)  I live in Toronto, Canada.  The guitar is being manufactured in Vancouver, Canada.  Any chance the guitar can be directly shipped to my Toronto home from the factory vs. going to Jim in the USA and then back over the border?  As soon as you have to ship back and forth over the Canada-USA border you risk offending the government customs/sales tax gods.  It seems easier/cheaper to ship to Canada directly from the factory.  Is this possible?

2)  I've got a D-03 spruce/hog right now.  How will this compare.  I mostly play folk, finger style stuff.

3)  Can someone (Ricky) email me the estimated price?  (jordan dot kalpin at bell dot ca)  I'm potentially interested in a IS/RW combo. 

Btw...great discussion here and what a great bunch of folks!

Jordan.

Jordan, welcome to the forum.  A IS/RW of one of these will be a real nice compliment to your D-03 and excellent for your style of play.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 12, 2008, 02:05:11 PM
New member here who is thinking of taking the plunge.  Two questions....

1)  I live in Toronto, Canada.  The guitar is being manufactured in Vancouver, Canada.  Any chance the guitar can be directly shipped to my Toronto home from the factory vs. going to Jim in the USA and then back over the border?  As soon as you have to ship back and forth over the Canada-USA border you risk offending the government customs/sales tax gods.  It seems easier/cheaper to ship to Canada directly from the factory.  Is this possible?

2)  I've got a D-03 spruce/hog right now.  How will this compare.  I mostly play folk, finger style stuff.

3)  Can someone (Ricky) email me the estimated price?  (jordan dot kalpin at bell dot ca)  I'm potentially interested in a IS/RW combo. 

Btw...great discussion here and what a great bunch of folks!

Jordan.

There is a couple of us in this boat Jordan, I'm in Toronto as well. It would be great to pay the right sales tax once and then leave it at that.

Cheers,

Adam


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 12, 2008, 02:38:49 PM
I'm sure the guitar has to go through a dealer, but it may be possible to go through a Canadian dealer??


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 12, 2008, 02:43:43 PM
I'm sure the guitar has to go through a dealer, but it may be possible to go through a Canadian dealer??

We don't want to rob Jim of sales since he stepped up. I think you are suggesting that it be delivered to somebody like the 12th Fret for pickup. What would be the benefit to the 12th Fret? They might do it out of the kindness of their hearts or for repeat customers like myself (bought my OM-03R and D-60 MR there) but they are WALL-TO-WALL with guitars that they are actually trying to sell. I don't buy the idea that any store owner is going to act as a waystation for us.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 12, 2008, 04:01:04 PM
We don't want to rob Jim of sales since he stepped up. I think you are suggesting that it be delivered to somebody like the 12th Fret for pickup. What would be the benefit to the 12th Fret? They might do it out of the kindness of their hearts or for repeat customers like myself (bought my OM-03R and D-60 MR there) but they are WALL-TO-WALL with guitars that they are actually trying to sell. I don't buy the idea that any store owner is going to act as a waystation for us.

:wave
It was just a thought, I'm pretty sure Larrivee will not send it direct.
I just ordered mine.........#14
 :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 12, 2008, 05:34:18 PM
Breaking news... well sort of... I can't believe this happened.....

I woke up this morning, put on my slippers and went to the kitchen for break fast..  and my wife calls me up from the basement, and yells my name... So I walk down the stairs.. and the basement is flooded...

Yes.. the hot water tank exploded... and yes, I got a brand new hot water tank in my basement... So I am $987.95 short this morning... and guess where did the money come from??

that freaking money was my guitar fund...................  :crying:

I can't believe this happened TODAY.. why couldn't it have happened like 4 months later.....?? for the past two weeks.. I have been so excited.. and could not wait for this day.. to put my order in for the forum guitar..

It seems like I won't be able to join you guys on the Forum III wagon.. It is heartbreaking...

I hope y'all enjoy your guitars...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 12, 2008, 05:42:51 PM
I woke up this morning, put on my slippers and went to the kitchen for break fast..  and my wife calls me up from the basement, and yells my name... So I walk down the stairs.. and the basement is flooded...

Oh the joys of home ownership.....sorry that happened...and its twice as bad when it steals your dreams.....but don't fret too much...like every other guitar that sells....one of these will end up on the used market....someday you may still get one!  This may not be the right tome for yours.

good luck on the clean up.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 12, 2008, 06:11:26 PM
Breaking news... well sort of... I can't believe this happened.....

I woke up this morning, put on my slippers and went to the kitchen for break fast..  and my wife calls me up from the basement, and yells my name... So I walk down the stairs.. and the basement is flooded...

Yes.. the hot water tank exploded... and yes, I got a brand new hot water tank in my basement... So I am $987.95 short this morning... and guess where did the money come from??

that freaking money was my guitar fund...................  :crying:

I can't believe this happened TODAY.. why couldn't it have happened like 4 months later.....?? for the past two weeks.. I have been so excited.. and could not wait for this day.. to put my order in for the forum guitar..

It seems like I won't be able to join you guys on the Forum III wagon.. It is heartbreaking...

I hope y'all enjoy your guitars...

That sucks so bad Jeff!  Sorry.

If it is any cosolation, and I am sure it won't be, When I set out to buy my first proper guitar, and learn to play the thing properly, I ordered a Lowden from the custom shop, worth £2800 ($5000 at the time), and waited two and a half months of the three month build time before my boiler broke, and I had to cancel the order.  It appeared on the dealer's website 10 days later for sale, and was simply breathtaking, Claro Walnut and Adirondack Spruce.

If this had not have happened, I wouldn't have discovered the magic of Larrivee, or all of you folks on this forum.

Maybe every cloud does have a silver lining.

FWIW, thank you for all our help making this happen.   


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 12, 2008, 06:15:33 PM
Final SPECS and ordering information are posted at: http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=24123

Thanks to Ricky and Jim Holler and others like Jeff  :crying:  and Bluesman for their hours of hard work on this.

The way I see it, the only open question is whether or not a strap button(s) is included.

I will ask Zach to send out a broadcast pointing to the above forum thread as soon as he can.



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: noyage on December 12, 2008, 06:45:55 PM
I apologize if this was already covered but I don't see the bridge type in the specs.  Will it be the pyramid bridge w/ the wider spacing or the regular Larrivee bridge?  Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 12, 2008, 06:53:06 PM
I apologize if this was already covered but I don't see the bridge type in the specs.  Will it be the pyramid bridge w/ the wider spacing or the regular Larrivee bridge?  Thanks in advance.


Regular bridge..


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 12, 2008, 07:47:40 PM

Yes.. the hot water tank exploded... and yes, I got a brand new hot water tank in my basement... So I am $987.95 short this morning... and guess where did the money come from??

Sorry to hear about that Jeff. That is one very expensive hot water tank.
Like Dotneck says there will be one in the for sale section sometime in the future, and you might even get it cheaper.
You never know, something might happen and you might be able to order after all. Say your prayers.

Good luck to you my friend,
Roger


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 12, 2008, 07:52:09 PM
The roll-up of names in the order thread has been posted at: http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=24123.0

There are 10-RW/IS, 9-Hog/IS, 3-Hog/Hog,   Total 22 (editted)

The list will be given to Jim Holler to cross check, but the orders placed with Jim will be over riding anything posted here.



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 12, 2008, 08:06:52 PM
Very nice work Randy, thanks for all the time you spent on this project.



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BlastersFan55 on December 12, 2008, 08:09:48 PM
Nice work indeed!  This is very exciting stuff.

(Hey, I just hit Senior Member status!  :nanadance  And, yes I do have a life....thank you very much   :laughin:)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 12, 2008, 08:30:49 PM
Indeed Randy, thank you for helping to make this happen.  I can't believe the total is now 24 including Jim's orders.

Ben


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on December 12, 2008, 08:44:04 PM
It seems like I won't be able to join you guys on the Forum III wagon.. It is heartbreaking...

Jeff, check your PM for personal condolences. I feel like a fallen comrade is being left on the beach.

Norman


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 12, 2008, 08:59:37 PM
It was originally asked if the guitars could be direct ship to the Canadians as the guitar is being made in Canada. When I spoke to Jim yesterday he said he would ask Mr. Larrivee. Personally, I doubt it will happen, but it will be a whole lot easier if it does. Then again, I would really like to meet Jim and I plan on picking mine up if we can't arrange direct ship.



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Jagadis on December 12, 2008, 09:06:08 PM
I just noticed that Jim is in Jamestown, NY which is only about 50 miles south of Buffalo, NY.  For those Canadians in Toronto, this is only a couple of hour drive south.  Might make more sense to drive down for the day to get the guitars in person vs. shipping over the border. 

The guitar has a "Made in Canada" label so there are no duties.  Only issue is the sales tax.  You could probably argue with the customs guy that you brought the guitar from home to get serviced by Jim and point to the Made in Canada label as proof.

Just a thought...

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 12, 2008, 09:15:11 PM
When you cross the US border.. do they check you trunk??

If not..(I know it's illegal..) could you just sneak it in??


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 12, 2008, 09:23:32 PM
When you cross the US border.. do they check you trunk??

If not..(I know it's illegal..) could you just sneak it in??

Now I'm not telling you to do this, but if I have to go to get mine from Jim, it's coming back in my trunk. People sneak stuff into the country all the time, including guitars. Again, I'm not telling you to do this.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 12, 2008, 09:24:43 PM
I would sneak it in..

I am sick and tired of paying for taxes...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 12, 2008, 09:27:58 PM
I would sneak it in..

I am sick and tired of paying for taxes...

ABSOLUTELY!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 13, 2008, 12:30:41 AM
It seems like I won't be able to join you guys on the Forum III wagon.. It is heartbreaking...

I hope y'all enjoy your guitars...

Jeff... I stayed away the whole day from the Forum. In fact, I have not been following this thread, except for whatever last page shows up on my screen.

I ache to read about this... uuuugggghhhh !!!

Man.....!!!   I'm....lost for words and only wish something could be done about your situation.

Somehow, the "enjoy" part would not be the same... you worked so hard on this!

I'll shut up now...   I'm so sorry to hear about this.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 13, 2008, 12:37:13 AM
Jeff,

I just realized that I missed your post earlier. CRAP. It must be the friggen full moon!

Remember, you have a few months to save your pennies? Any possibility you might be getting a bonus or any Christmas money? How about a tax return?

So sorry,

Lynda


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 13, 2008, 01:41:39 AM
Breaking news... well sort of... I can't believe this happened.....

I woke up this morning, put on my slippers and went to the kitchen for break fast..  and my wife calls me up from the basement, and yells my name... So I walk down the stairs.. and the basement is flooded...

Yes.. the hot water tank exploded... and yes, I got a brand new hot water tank in my basement... So I am $987.95 short this morning... and guess where did the money come from??

that freaking money was my guitar fund...................  :crying:

I can't believe this happened TODAY.. why couldn't it have happened like 4 months later.....?? for the past two weeks.. I have been so excited.. and could not wait for this day.. to put my order in for the forum guitar..

It seems like I won't be able to join you guys on the Forum III wagon.. It is heartbreaking...

I hope y'all enjoy your guitars...
Man Canadian Plumbers really get in your pocket, Jeff I could fly were you live replace it and play some songs and have cash left over for a decent Alvarez. But, I am in the business. Man that's bad. Which forum git did you want?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 13, 2008, 01:49:17 AM
It was originally asked if the guitars could be direct ship to the Canadians as the guitar is being made in Canada. When I spoke to Jim yesterday he said he would ask Mr. Larrivee. Personally, I doubt it will happen, but it will be a whole lot easier if it does. Then again, I would really like to meet Jim and I plan on picking mine up if we can't arrange direct ship.


  I was thinking the same thing,it would be a good time to meet Jim. :thumbsup


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on December 13, 2008, 02:03:18 AM
I guess it pays to read all 50 pages of banter...herringbone!!????  ick..I might be out...maybe OK on a Collings or Martin...but not a LS larrivee...BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS!  Maybe Forum IV.   :whistling:



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 13, 2008, 02:05:06 AM
I guess it pays to read all 50 pages of banter...herringbone!!????  ick..I might be out...maybe OK on a Collings or Martin...but not a LS larrivee...BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS!  Maybe Forum IV.   :whistling:


Lawdog you crack me up... where have you been? Creature needs a sparring partner. :winkin:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 13, 2008, 02:36:19 AM
I guess it pays to read all 50 pages of banter...herringbone!!????  ick..I might be out...maybe OK on a Collings or Martin...but not a LS larrivee...BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS!  Maybe Forum IV.   :whistling:



Sorry to hear that herringbone, of all things, drove you away from the forum III.   I'm sure that not everyone got exactly what they wanted; some conscessions had to be made along the way to get the thing done.   I think every decision was made fairly and democratically and then of course on some things our hands were tied.   Maybe forum IV, will be more to your liking some day.
I saw a Santa Cruz forum guitar that will sell for several thousand dollars made with Italian Spruce top and it had a beautiful herringbone rosette.   It was very, very nice and I don't see how it could be objectionable on a Larrivee,   Just out of curiousity why would it look ok to you on a Martin or a Collings but not on a Larrivee LS ?  Is it because it is considered to be an older more traditional trim element or what ?   

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: flatlander on December 13, 2008, 02:49:42 AM
  I was thinking the same thing,it would be a good time to meet Jim. :thumbsup
After all it's just a short skip and a hop from Austin to Buffalo! You ever think about getting your own plane?
These guitars look like such a sweet deal but I don't think I should do it right now with current local and nation forecast. If I dip into some xmas cheer late one night and order one maybe you could swing by and hand deliver mine, since you'll be east of the continental devide anyway.  :humour:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on December 13, 2008, 02:53:10 AM
Sorry to hear that herringbone, of all things, drove you away from the forum III.   I'm sure that not everyone got exactly what they wanted; some conscessions had to be made along the way to get the thing done.   I think every decision was made fairly and democratically and then of course on some things our hands were tied.   Maybe forum IV, will be more to your liking some day.
I saw a Santa Cruz forum guitar that will sell for several thousand dollars made with Italian Spruce top and it had a beautiful herringbone rosette.   It was very, very nice and I don't see how it could be objectionable on a Larrivee,   Just out of curiousity why would it look ok to you on a Martin or a Collings but not on a Larrivee LS ?  Is it because it is considered to be an older more traditional trim element or what ?   

Tuffythepug

Let me restate - I do not mean to sound like I am whining...I am actually a little embarrassed because I assume "surely" folks would go for either abalone or standard...but herringbone would never cross our minds.  I will pretty much game for ANYTHING else, so I thought I would withhold myself from clogging the discussion with my preferences.  But sure enough, the one thing I really think kills the look of a guitar was put on this one!  I am glad we arrived at a "democratic" decision, I just have to democratically recuse now.  No one's fault but mine - glad this worked out!!!
Generally yes, herringbone has that yesteryear look that only Martin and Martin boutiques can pull off...and even those I find gaudy.  I think it clashes with Larrivee in the same way purple stain on the top would.   :whistling:
But this is great, and I learned my lesson....  :nice guitar:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 13, 2008, 02:53:53 AM
After all it's just a short skip and a hop from Austin to Buffalo! You ever think about getting your own plane?
These guitars look like such a sweet deal but I don't think I should do it right now with current local and nation forecast. If I dip into some xmas cheer late one night and order one maybe you could swing by and hand deliver mine, since you be east of the continental devide anyway.  :humour:
You know I would do it.. My little wife is an anchor these days. BUT, I do have a "care package" coming. Sorry for the delay and all , but as soon as I get it I'll send it your way.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on December 13, 2008, 02:56:15 AM
Lawdog you crack me up... where have you been? Creature needs a sparring partner. :winkin:
heh, thanks, Dan!

I miss the creature.  WOnder how ol' samuel is doing.  But he and I more often than not agreed...even on very deep levels.  So we'd spar against some of you guys, but not against each other.   :cop:

We do have one major difference - he's monogamous when it comes to guitars, but I prefer a full and fruitful heram!   :nanadance


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 13, 2008, 02:57:33 AM
Let me restate - I do not mean to sound like I am whining...I am actually a little embarrassed because I assume "surely" folks would go for either abalone or standard...but herringbone would never cross our minds.  I will pretty much game for ANYTHING else, so I thought I would withhold myself from clogging the discussion with my preferences.  But sure enough, the one thing I really think kills the look of a guitar was put on this one!  I am glad we arrived at a "democratic" decision, I just have to democratically recuse now.  No one's fault but mine - glad this worked out!!!
Generally yes, herringbone has that yesteryear look that only Martin and Martin boutiques can pull off...and even those I find gaudy.  I think it clashes with Larrivee in the same way purple stain on the top would.   :whistling:
But this is great, and I learned my lesson....  :nice guitar:
                  I don't think it will clash on the extreme white Italian Spruce/ Hog that I ordered. I would rather have seen abalone or standard myself though actually. But I am not gonna miss the chance at a new LS.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 13, 2008, 03:00:41 AM
heh, thanks, Dan!

I miss the creature.  WOnder how ol' samuel is doing.  But he and I more often than not agreed...even on very deep levels.  So we'd spar against some of you guys, but not against each other.   :cop:

We do have one major difference - he's monogamous when it comes to guitars, but I prefer a full and fruitful heram!   :nanadance
                Well then maybe he needs a buddy, cause he ticked me off (though I like the ole codger) Anyway you could really stir up a mess of grits on the forum. :laughin:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on December 13, 2008, 03:12:39 AM
                Well then maybe he needs a buddy, cause he ticked me off (though I like the ole codger) Anyway you could really stir up a mess of grits on the forum. :laughin:

HOW SO?  (To both Q's - ticked you off and my grit stirring - I'm a nice guy!)   :guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 13, 2008, 03:54:12 AM
HOW SO?  (To both Q's - ticked you off and my grit stirring - I'm a nice guy!)   :guitar
              Well... to the ticked off.. I'm not now and should not have brought it up.
  And from what I remember you would post some very thought provoking stuff. On one thread though, before it got locked, you started making sense to me and I could see your point of view. That takes a little bit of diplomacy on this forum and probably any other. (I don't frequent any others myself)
              This political season took its toll on me. I don't have much use for arguing over things right now. I'd rather say "Howdy" and how bout we order a new Forum Git myself.
                                          Plus in general I like folks, everyone is who they are and entitled to their view. Unless they go out of the way to put you down for your view being a different one than theirs. That's when it just ain't worth it.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 13, 2008, 04:13:52 AM
Sorry to hear that herringbone, of all things, drove you away from the forum III.   I'm sure that not everyone got exactly what they wanted; some conscessions had to be made along the way to get the thing done.   I think every decision was made fairly and democratically and then of course on some things our hands were tied. 

I don't care for the 'bone either...and for me its a minor annoyance that its $50 extra US dollars.  Still on the fence.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 13, 2008, 04:15:44 AM
I don't care for the 'bone either...and for me its a minor annoyance that its $50 extra US dollars.  Still on the fence.
Which style were you considering?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on December 13, 2008, 05:17:26 AM
IT COST MORE FOR HERRINGBONE!!!???  Oh my...now I'm really out.  The standard looks 7 fold better and is free!! 


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 13, 2008, 05:33:56 AM
I don't care for the 'bone either...and for me its a minor annoyance that its $50 extra US dollars.  Still on the fence.

I guess it's a matter of how you look at things isn't it ?   When I got the price from Jim Holler for my forum III LS-03MT It was less than I expected.   Look at what all the 03 series are priced at right now and realize that all the ones currently being sold are Sapele.    Genuine Mahogany with the Italian Spruce top or with the hog top like mine should command a higher price but they are less than the standard 03 Series for this forum III.   I like the herringbone.  I have it on my 000-50MT and it's beautiful.  I don't mind paying $50 for a guitar that will be virtually one of ...what....20 or so to be built.    Come on...if you don't like herringbone fine; not everyone does but the $50 extra does not keep this from being a great deal by any means.
For the record, I would have ordered this guitar with the standard rosette or abalone too.  Anything but the 3/4" wide rainbow rosette I saw on the Esteban Guitar the other night.
It's too bad they couldn't have offered the standard rosette to folks who don't want the herringbone.  I hate to see anyone left out of this deal if they really wanted in.

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on December 13, 2008, 05:37:33 AM
Agreed - $50 does not prevent it from being a good deal.  The deal was never an issue for me...just if I am goint to drop another $1000 - $1200 on a guitar, it aint gonna have 'bone unless it is a Collings or 'Cruz.  That's all - just my quirk and I will lose out.  I just think it is uglier than sin.   :beer


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 13, 2008, 07:51:04 AM
Agreed - $50 does not prevent it from being a good deal.  The deal was never an issue for me...just if I am goint to drop another $1000 - $1200 on a guitar, it aint gonna have 'bone unless it is a Collings or 'Cruz.  That's all - just my quirk and I will lose out.  I just think it is uglier than sin.   :beer

I understand.   I wouldn't want a guitar that I felt was uglier than sin either.  Obviously that's why there's such a wide variety of choices available from so many different guitar builders:  Everyone has their own idea of what looks good, what looks bad, and what's uglier than sin.
Collings and 'Cruz are very fine guitars that carry hefty price tags.  I certainly wouldn't mind owning one at all.  Are you saying that the herringbone only looks appropriate on those higher end guitars for some reason ?



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 13, 2008, 08:49:25 AM
LawDogStrgsAttach...

Just do what I did.   I looked and looked and looked at Tuffy's pic of a git with herringbone rosette on what looks to me like Engelmann Spruce Top...

... and the H-bone grew on me... I thought (just to my eyes) H-bone looked horrible on any guitar low end or high end.

For this Forum Git III,    I wish we got both H-bone rosette & purfling...  (in my dream world - for FREE).

H-bone on the Forum Git III will be beautiful.   (okay, I prefer abalone also, but Vancouver is not set up for that - so I'm told).

H-bone is still a beautiful compromise & adds a unique touch that differentiates Forum Git III from regular 03 rosette.

my .02

ricky  :thumbsup


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: dhill on December 13, 2008, 11:38:16 AM
I have to admit the herringbone has me on the fence as well. No doubt the guitar is a good deal, but herringbone just doesn't do it for me! I also thought the original LS specs were a bit smaller...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 13, 2008, 01:00:21 PM
Come on...if you don't like herringbone fine; not everyone does but the $50 extra does not keep this from being a great deal by any means.
For the record, I would have ordered this guitar with the standard rosette or abalone too.  .....  I hate to see anyone left out of this deal if they really wanted in.

The 'bone rosette is not a deal breaker for me...like I said its just a minor annoyance. My fence sitting has to do with where it will fit for me. I don't see the LS as THAT different from guitars I already own. My original forum guitar (12 fret OM hog/spruce) and my Lakewood (rosewood/engelman) are both very similar. I would have preferred an 05 grade guitar maybe an 00 (which is what I was pushing early on in the thread although that idea didn't get a foothold among everybody who wanted to keep it a low budget guitar.

That being said...it IS a bargain on a unique guitar and I think its a nice guitar I'm just not as gaga about it as some of the other guys. I may still order one before the opportunity passes... I'm sure it will be easy to flip if need be.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 13, 2008, 01:53:52 PM
I guess it pays to read all 50 pages of banter...herringbone!!????  ick..I might be out...maybe OK on a Collings or Martin...but not a LS larrivee...BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR EFFORTS!  Maybe Forum IV.   :whistling:


Seriously???  I really feel bad for you then.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on December 13, 2008, 03:33:51 PM
Are you saying that the herringbone only looks appropriate on those higher end guitars for some reason ?



No - I think it is hideous on those as well, but it at least falls in the motif of a traditional Martin copy.  APply the same thing to blueridge and Johnson Carolina to avoid the price difference...it just looks bad, but it "works" on that style of guitar.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 13, 2008, 05:21:18 PM
I respect opinions both pro and con on the herringbone subject.  To each his own.    Personally, I don't see how this could be described as "ugly as sin"  but if you do then I understand why you would want to avoid it.




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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 13, 2008, 10:58:32 PM
Do you know how many herrings were killed to make that rosette?? Someone call PETA!!

Seriously though, I liked the rosettes in this order

1. Wood Mosaic (very high)
2. Herringbone (never liked it much until I got used to it on my D-60)
3. Traditional 03 lines
4. Abalone

I suppose this is because I'm more attracted to mathematic and geometric patterns than shiny things.

BTW, I seriously hope we're all over the rosette issue by now. Let's get real, if the guitar is where it SHOULD be then you won't even be looking at it. Will our families point and laugh if we have a poor man's rosette? Seriously? It seems that the ingredients in this guitar will deliver a real 'player'. Other than tone, I can't imagine getting hung up on anything but price and the price is awesome in this case.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 13, 2008, 11:23:04 PM
I want to hear how the Italian spruce sounds... 


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on December 13, 2008, 11:27:24 PM
Yep. Italian spruce clinched the deal for me.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 13, 2008, 11:29:36 PM
Do you know how many herrings were killed to make that rosette?? Someone call PETA!!

Seriously though, I liked the rosettes in this order

1. Wood Mosaic (very high)
2. Herringbone (never liked it much until I got used to it on my D-60)
3. Traditional 03 lines
4. Abalone

I suppose this is because I'm more attracted to mathematic and geometric patterns than shiny things.

BTW, I seriously hope we're all over the rosette issue by now. Let's get real, if the guitar is where it SHOULD be then you won't even be looking at it. Will our families point and laugh if we have a poor man's rosette? Seriously? It seems that the ingredients in this guitar will deliver a real 'player'. Other than tone, I can't imagine getting hung up on anything but price and the price is awesome in this case.

 :thumbsup
Well said.   There are potential deal-breakers around every corner on the way to getting a forum guitar off the ground.   I'm willing to concede quite a few things but, like most people there are some things I couldn't have gone along with.   A different shape, like a parlor for example, would not have enticed me to participate.  If they had offered Sapele instead of S. American Mahogany, likewise, I would have stayed on the sidelines.  If it had been full of frills and bling and carried a high price tag, I'd have been out.  What we ended up with, I believe, is a very nice, limited run of a very special guitar that has value well beyond it's modest price tag.  Yes, it's not everyone's cup of tea but there would be no guitar you could design that would please everybody.
Herringbone, abalone, simple rings or wood mosaic are all fine with me.   If the resulting guitar was going to look ugly or simply "wrong" I doubt that it would have been given the greenlight by JCL with the blessing of Jim Holler.  These men don't want to be associated with a product that isn't top notch and perfectly presentable in my view.  
I do hope that the next forum guitar, if there is one, will appeal to the ones who couldn't bring themselves to get on board with this one.

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 13, 2008, 11:35:42 PM
   

"I want to hear how the Italian spruce sounds... "

"Yep. Italian spruce clinched the deal for me."

   I know I'm in the very small minority who are going with the hog /hog.    Am I crazy in thinking this forum III could be a killer guitar with that combo too ?  I've alread got 4 acoustics with either Sitka or Engleman spruce tops.   Only one hog-top though.   I just hope I'm not making a mistake. Someone talk me down off the ledge here.

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 13, 2008, 11:42:20 PM
I know I mentioned this before but here is another shot of the Santa Cruz Guitar Players forum guitar.   Again, they made exactly one of these...but it's pretty darn nice.   Italian Spruce top with quilted mahog. sides and back;   Herringbone rosette and purfling.
Gee, who is that guy holding it anyhow ?  :whistling:



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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 13, 2008, 11:49:11 PM
I know I mentioned this before but here is another shot of the Santa Cruz Guitar Players forum guitar.   Again, they made exactly one of these...but it's pretty darn nice.   Italian Spruce top with quilted mahog. sides and back;   Herringbone rosette and purfling.
Gee, who is that guy holding it anyhow ?  :whistling:



Gorgeous guitar!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 13, 2008, 11:57:25 PM
"I want to hear how the Italian spruce sounds... "

"Yep. Italian spruce clinched the deal for me."

The Italian spruce was the clincher for me also. Being able to get an Italian spruce at a later date seems highly unlikely.  But,  I figured I could more easily get an MT later, maybe an L-05MT.  The IS/RW combination should be really special.

Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 13, 2008, 11:59:28 PM
I wanted a hog top.. but now that I think of it.

The italian spruce is really hard to come by..... If IS really sounds like Adi. YOU WON'T REGRET IT..




Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 14, 2008, 02:06:40 AM
Gee, who is that guy holding it anyhow ? 

I like that. Izzat you Tuffy?



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 14, 2008, 02:09:58 AM
I like that. Izzat you Tuffy?


No that's not T the P that's Tommy E. :guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 14, 2008, 02:10:24 AM
Tuffy, I have two MT topped guitars, an OM and an L and it was hard to say no to a third,lol. It was also hard to say no to RW but then I realised this was a last chance gasp for 'real' Mahogany, so that's what I went for. But, yeah, I get the MT thing.

holly

Um, who is Tommy E.?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 14, 2008, 02:10:59 AM
I wanted a hog top.. but now that I think of it.

The italian spruce is really hard to come by..... If IS really sounds like Adi. YOU WON'T REGRET IT..

This is one of the issues I'm wrestling with. Right now I'm leaning towards hog/hog.  But if the Italian IS close to Adirondack I might go for one of those.

But what I've read about spruces...is that the European/German/Itialian spruce is all the same stuff. Kind of like engleman...great for fingerpicking...and italian is used a lot on classicals. I've never heard anybody compare it to adirondack until now....


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 14, 2008, 02:12:44 AM
Tuffy, I have two MT topped guitars, an OM and an L and it was hard to say no to a third,lol. It was also hard to say no to RW but then I realised this was a last chance gasp for 'real' Mahogany, so that's what I went for. But, yeah, I get the MT thing.

holly

Um, who is Tommy E.?
      Tommy Emmanuel....Fantastic player


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 14, 2008, 02:18:39 AM
This is one of the issues I'm wrestling with. Right now I'm leaning towards hog/hog.  But if the Italian IS close to Adirondack I might go for one of those.

But what I've read about spruces...is that the European/German/Itialian spruce is all the same stuff. Kind of like engleman...great for fingerpicking...and italian is used a lot on classicals. I've never heard anybody compare it to adirondack until now....
   JCL was very pleased with this find. He glowed when he showed it to me and I asked him if it was like Adirondack and he said it was. It was cut in 1972. It should be fantastic. I really want to order 2 forum III's the one I chose Hog/Ita and a hog/hog.
 btw If I got the all hog I would pay for the H-bone all around. I think that would look great myself. And possibly may be the only one ordered that way.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 14, 2008, 02:30:12 AM
I know you said JCL said the Italian was like adirondack....but I've never heard anybody else say that.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 14, 2008, 02:31:29 AM
If I got the all hog I would pay for the H-bone all around. I think that would look great myself. And possibly may be the only one ordered that way.

Do you think he would do just one with herringbone all around?   I thought they all had to be the same.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: LawDogStrgsAttach on December 14, 2008, 03:02:22 AM
This is one of the issues I'm wrestling with. Right now I'm leaning towards hog/hog.  But if the Italian IS close to Adirondack I might go for one of those.

But what I've read about spruces...is that the European/German/Itialian spruce is all the same stuff. Kind of like engleman...great for fingerpicking...and italian is used a lot on classicals. I've never heard anybody compare it to adirondack until now....

Yes, you are correct.  Italian/German/European/Carpathian are all the exact same species:  picea albies.  The name just derives from the area in which it was cut.  Kina like saying "Idaho Englemann" or "New Mexico Englemann"  etc...

To condense, sitka is to adirondack as englemann is to european.  The latter versions (adirondack and european) will have similar qualities to their respective formers, but more headroom and more attack.  Italian will not sound like adirondack; expect it to be a more sensitive and louder englemann.  Adirondack remains the grail of spruces in my book, but the european spruces look super and sound fabulous as well.
 


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 14, 2008, 03:06:05 AM
My luthier waxed practically poetic about the stuff and how a cold snap or cold weather in that Italian region or something had influenced the wood. SHoot, I wish I recalled just what he said. Found this http://www.rctonewoods.rcefaluguitars.com/italian_spruce.htm (http://www.rctonewoods.rcefaluguitars.com/italian_spruce.htm) and this is just cool http://www.liuteria-antica.com/tonewood/spruce.html (http://www.liuteria-antica.com/tonewood/spruce.html) ingore the spelling although 'beeing' is a little charming.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 14, 2008, 03:40:34 AM
I know you said JCL said the Italian was like adirondack....but I've never heard anybody else say that.
                  I kinda respect his view.
Do you think he would do just one with herringbone all around?   I thought they all had to be the same.
              It's a 200 upgrade, but I thought each person could order it....
                        But that was when 20 opinions were flying around at the same time, so I could be mistaken.
     Jim Holler would know for sure. I don't see why they wouldn't. 200 is a nice extra for them to help the Canadian economy.
                      I guess we better find out now cause it will be a whirlwind soon. (sorry, I'm not sure about it)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BlastersFan55 on December 14, 2008, 04:21:27 AM
I was talking to my wife today about this whole deal, and how through the power of negotiation and discussion, many of us will have IMO, one keepsake of a guitar.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 14, 2008, 04:56:41 AM
                  I kinda respect his view.              It's a 200 upgrade, but I thought each person could order it....
                        But that was when 20 opinions were flying around at the same time, so I could be mistaken.
     Jim Holler would know for sure. I don't see why they wouldn't. 200 is a nice extra for them to help the Canadian economy.
                      I guess we better find out now cause it will be a whirlwind soon. (sorry, I'm not sure about it)
If it were possible to pay the extra $200 to have herringbone around the body, I would pay that as well.

Does anyone know what type of upgrades Jim may be able to do?  As a luthier, he could probably do anything, but what's practical for this guitar?  A bone saddle is already included.  What else might we want him to add?  I'm not interested in electrics, but tuner, nut, and bridge pin upgrades might be nice.  What are our options here?

Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 14, 2008, 05:10:57 AM
If it were possible to pay the extra $200 to have herringbone around the body, I would pay that as well.

Does anyone know what type of upgrades Jim may be able to do?  As a luthier, he could probably do anything, but what's practical for this guitar?  A bone saddle is already included.  What else might we want him to add?  I'm not interested in electrics, but tuner, nut, and bridge pin upgrades might be nice.  What are our options here?

Tim


Tim
Beyond the things you've just listed I can't think of much Jim could do in the way of upgrades except, perhapsl, a strap button.
Re;   herringbone all around.  I believe that was effectively taken off the table when we got the price of $200.  It wasn't one of the things that made it to the final voting;  only the herringbone rosette at $50.   If it was an option I'd think about it but the maple binding may be just fine by itself.  I do see myself changing out the tuners at some point though.   I think some antique brass open backs would look very nice on an all hog LS-03MT.   Not that I've had any problems with the Pings like others have.

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 14, 2008, 05:13:34 AM
   I looked for the post on the 200 body h-bone deal, but could not find it... Needle in a haystack... sorry


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 14, 2008, 05:44:23 AM
   I looked for the post on the 200 body h-bone deal, but could not find it... Needle in a haystack... sorry

Danny, I'm not sure Larrivee will do a H-bone purfling for 1... as far as I understand, it's uniform order.

I like the H-bone purfling... but not for an extra 200... the git alone is south of 1500 CDN...  so the numbers look good in USD, but it sucks big time for us up north.

Oh well...   it would be great if JCL can surprise us for H-bone rosette AND purfling  for the same 50 additional cost.



I saw the Santa Cruz forum git...   beautiful...  kinda looks like a OO.


I hope more people would commit aside from the ones already in the list.... the more the merrier.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: jrdavies on December 14, 2008, 05:54:31 AM

Found this article on German Spuce today while I was looking for something else, http://www.lutherie.net/eurospruce.html thought y'all might find it interesting. 

 



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 14, 2008, 05:56:11 AM
   I e-mailed Jim Holler and asked about this. Some may want it if it is an option. He should let us know by Monday.
                   Thanks for the reply,  

                    Heh, How's the 00-09? Are you still liking it? :guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: flatlander on December 14, 2008, 05:56:36 AM
Ya'll pushing the replies over 1000 tonite? BTW There are scattered clues through out the thread. If you can find the clues and
then solve the riddle 1st you'll win a free Forum Git. :laughin:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 14, 2008, 06:04:47 AM
Found this article on German Spruce today while I was looking for something else, http://www.lutherie.net/eurospruce.html thought y'all might find it interesting. 

                      Save time and read the last line
 "Being able to hear a promising piece of wood and knowing how to bring out its potential is what it is really all about."


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 14, 2008, 08:36:29 AM
Im sure IS will sound like Pavoratti...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 14, 2008, 09:08:36 AM
"Being able to hear a promising piece of wood and knowing how to bring out its potential is what it is really all about."

It sounds like the only line of JCL's resume.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 14, 2008, 11:44:06 AM
  I e-mailed Jim Holler and asked about this. Some may want it if it is an option. He should let us know by Monday.
                   Thanks for the reply,  

                    Heh, How's the 00-09? Are you still liking it? :guitar

That H-bone purfling would be a cool option if made available.  I'd love to have it on mine, but the add-on cost makes it prohibitive.

I had to make a conscious decision to play the Ami yesterday and my Taylor the other day ---
These other 2 guitars have not seen much action since the OO-09 came 11 days ago.

Like the OO-09...?    I'm glad I got this bigger version of the Larri parlor.    I'll be able to update my feedback on the OO when the novelty is over.

Sure would like to ask questions from other OO owners in another thread perhaps.

 :nana_guitar  BTW, I don't remember playing my Taylors (even when they were new and all I've known) as much as I'm playing the OO-09.   :guitar

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 14, 2008, 01:44:00 PM
please tell me there's no strap button gonna be on this guitar....

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 14, 2008, 01:56:25 PM
Holly

It will have one strap button as standard, like all Larry's, and JH will fit a second if you require it.  I am pretty sure that was the consensus.  bear in mind thet the single strap button makes installing electrics later a simpler task.  I think we have to remember that this si still a bulk order, and not a one off custom shop guitar.  I woud also prefer no strap button, but won't lose sleep over it. 

Ben


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 14, 2008, 02:02:40 PM
Oh, sorry, I didn't mean the one on the bottom (which for ages i thought was there to prevent the bottom from getting scuffed). I was referring to that horrid metal growth that protrudes from the neck.  Or, what some might refer to as a strap button,rofl.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 14, 2008, 02:04:18 PM
Nah holly, you're OK then.  Teh spec's thread says that JH will do some extra work at the buyers cost, like electrics, extra strap button etc. etc.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 14, 2008, 02:04:54 PM
Oh, sorry, I didn't mean the one on the bottom (which for ages i thought was there to prevent the bottom from getting scuffed). I was referring to that horrid metal growth that protrudes from the neck.  Or, what some might refer to as a strap button,rofl.

holly

Holly,

LOL! I love your description! You made my morning!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: flatlander on December 14, 2008, 02:16:24 PM
Oh, sorry, I didn't mean the one on the bottom (which for ages i thought was there to prevent the bottom from getting scuffed). I was referring to that horrid metal growth that protrudes from the neck.  Or, what some might refer to as a strap button,rofl.

holly
I take it you don't play standing up much which is cool. If you stand the growth makes guitar set much better and doesn't pull on the neck and is out of the way.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 14, 2008, 02:22:52 PM
Yeah, I know, but it really bothers me an an aesthetic level. That was really obvious, huh?

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 14, 2008, 02:27:20 PM
Yeah, I know, but it really bothers me an an aesthetic level. That was really obvious, huh?

holly

Just slightly Holly! LOL


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 14, 2008, 03:33:34 PM
This thread is now over 1000 replies and 7000 views.  That's insane!!  Me thinks the result is gonna be fairly special though. :nana_guitar :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on December 14, 2008, 03:54:46 PM
This thread is now over 1000 replies and 7000 views.  That's insane!!  Me thinks the result is gonna be fairly special though. :nana_guitar :nana_guitar

I think it is called "fever pitched."

My habit is to read all interesting threads from the search for unread posts, come back and check mark all others as read, and then click the search again for good measure. I can't tell you how many times there were already new posts in this topic I had just finished reading!

In contrast the last few days since ordering commenced (commenced is a good British word, what?) the pace has slowed to a near crawl. Not to say there aren't still some comments in the "not to be missed" category.

We do all understand that we laugh best WITH friends and not AT them, right? Holly's "that horrid metal growth that protrudes from the neck" had me nearly spill my cup of coffee on the laptop keyboard. Holly, you should be a writer, you have a most wonderful way with words.

Norman


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Jagadis on December 14, 2008, 04:34:24 PM
All right gang...

I was down at Long & McQuade yesterday afternoon in downtown Toronto and had a chance to play around with a whole bunch of Larry models.  Obviously they didn't have a LS-03 to play but I spent some time playing a really nice L-03MT.  Long story short....

I'm in for an ALL HOG Forum III.  Not sure what it is about all hog...but it was love at first sight.  Only issue is I'm going to have to sell my D-03 and my Go travel guitar if I hope to avoid the "doghouse guitar" syndrome.

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on December 14, 2008, 04:45:17 PM
Welcome to the madhouse, Jordan.  :wave

I hope to see a lot more posts from you. Sad to hear you'll have to part with another Larrivee to make room for this one.

Some of you Canadians should post a White Christmas photo for us Texans. It is 70 degrees Fahrenheit here today.

Norman


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 14, 2008, 05:17:30 PM
All right gang...

I was down at Long & McQuade yesterday afternoon in downtown Toronto and had a chance to play around with a whole bunch of Larry models.  Obviously they didn't have a LS-03 to play but I spent some time playing a really nice L-03MT.  Long story short....

I'm in for an ALL HOG Forum III.  Not sure what it is about all hog...but it was love at first sight.  Only issue is I'm going to have to sell my D-03 and my Go travel guitar if I hope to avoid the "doghouse guitar" syndrome.

Jordan.

great jordan, the more the merrier - you obviously looked in here at the right time.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 14, 2008, 05:39:14 PM
All right gang...

I was down at Long & McQuade yesterday afternoon in downtown Toronto and had a chance to play around with a whole bunch of Larry models.  Obviously they didn't have a LS-03 to play but I spent some time playing a really nice L-03MT.  Long story short....

I'm in for an ALL HOG Forum III.  Not sure what it is about all hog...but it was love at first sight.  Only issue is I'm going to have to sell my D-03 and my Go travel guitar if I hope to avoid the "doghouse guitar" syndrome.

Jordan.


Welcome Jordan.    Good man.    Go "hog wild" with this thing.   I don't think you'll be sorry.

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 14, 2008, 07:23:14 PM
Has anyone told Jordan he needs to call Jim?

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 14, 2008, 07:47:47 PM
His name is also on the order list, so I assume he must have read the instructions that are at the start of that thread.  Is the list from the order thread not to be sent to JH for 2nd January as a cross check to make sure everyone is in who is meant to be?  That was my understanding.

Anyway, I am sure your post will be enough to remind him!!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Jagadis on December 14, 2008, 09:05:43 PM
Not to worry.  I will call Jim on Monday and sort out the deposit.  I think everyone has until the end of the month to do so.

I've been lurking for the last couple of weeks and I read through all 1000 of your notes (I can't believe I read a 1000 notes  :drool:).  I figure the Forum guitars are really special and a LS body guitar is impossible to find.  My understanding is that Larrivee only made about 100 or so LS-05 guitars and not that many more more LS-09 guitars.  All of these were 14 fret guitars.  The 12 fret versions are non-existent except for some older classical versions.  I can replace my D-03 at any point but the LS-03 forum guitar is going to be special.  Also...if all of ya buy the IS/RS or IS/Hog version, my all hog version might be only 1 of 4 or 5 in existence.  Thats really cool.  The other thing is that I love playing fingerstyle.  Thanks to all for making this happen.

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 14, 2008, 09:17:34 PM
Jordan, thanks for the comments.  I actually hadn't thought about the fact that these might well be the only ever run of LS 12 fret steel string guitars.  Quite a thought really.  I am even more excited that I ws before. 

Thank you. :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 14, 2008, 09:22:42 PM
Jordan, thanks for the comments.  I actually hadn't thought about the fact that these might well be the only ever run of LS 12 fret steel string guitars.  Quite a thought really.  I am even more excited that I ws before. 

Thank you. :nana_guitar
So do you ignore my posts?  :humour:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 14, 2008, 09:30:18 PM
So do you ignore my posts?  :humour:

sorry Danny, not intentionally! I knew it was a discontinued model, but missed you saying a 12 fret version was never made.  To be fair it is easier keeping up to speed with comments now there are not 7 new pages a day to read through!!

Forgive me, I don't really know much about guitars, but I am learning!!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 14, 2008, 09:38:26 PM
sorry Danny, not intentionally! I knew it was a discontinued model, but missed you saying a 12 fret version was never made.  To be fair it is easier keeping up to speed with comments now there are not 7 new pages a day to read through!!

Forgive me, I don't really know much about guitars, but I am learning!!!
Ben I am kidding with you...Randy is the one who pointed out the older 12 fret model that he has.          Please be assured I am joking.       Danny


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 14, 2008, 10:05:59 PM
 :welcome: Jordan,

I must confess, I admire anyone who would read through... what is it now?  1000 posts... or is it more than that?

There's a few hog fans around here.   I'm sticking to the Jean Larrivee original recipe, but I sure am soooooo tempted to try the other all-hog flavor.

Thanks for pointing out the fact that this will be a limited edition and not too many like it will ever be made.

I hope your comment will be enough incentive for others to jump in and firm up their commitment.

Oh yeah... it's deep freeze weather in Edmonton... my old 1980 beater car ignition switch wouldn't even turn it's so CcccOOOOooooLD.

Here's some  :coffee :coffee :coffee :donut :donut :donut2 :donut2 :donut :donut :coffee :coffee :coffee  for a warm welcome!

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 14, 2008, 10:22:57 PM
Welcome to the madhouse, Jordan.  :wave

I hope to see a lot more posts from you. Sad to hear you'll have to part with another Larrivee to make room for this one.

Some of you Canadians should post a White Christmas photo for us Texans. It is 70 degrees Fahrenheit here today.

Norman

Norman,

Some of us Canadians are currently living with rain, not snow  :P


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 14, 2008, 10:41:13 PM
Norman,

Some of us Canadians are currently living with rain, not snow  :P

Only the lucky ones are living with rain,

it's -27 today, with the windchill -44... and there is only snow outside...... (-16F and -48F with wind chill)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 14, 2008, 10:45:58 PM
Only the lucky ones are living with rain,

it's -27 today, with the windchill -44... and there is only snow outside...... (-16F and -48F with wind chill)

It's 4 C in Toronto and it was raining earlier. Edmonton really should plant some trees or get taller buildings.  :bgrin:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 14, 2008, 11:17:16 PM
Norman,

I took a picture outside my window.   But my wife's laptop is already so slow... another low megapixel pic may very be... you know ---

it's a stay indoors weather here...  it was -29C around 2PM when the sun was still shining brightly and temps no way to go but down more....  we have a good 4" of snow

even my old beater refuses to start... my dog if she could talk would probably ask for her own indoor porta-potty :ohmy:

according to our newcomer residents (their first winter)... all the fluids in their face are freezing...

Well... I figured out how to download pics 1 at a time instead of a bazillion into a really slow computer.

Pardon the quality... but it gives you an idea of how cold it is here... even my dog Georgia needs to keep warm!

ricky

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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 15, 2008, 02:54:12 AM
Ricky,

You have very little snow for December. Love your dog. I wish mine would let me put a hat on his head...NOT!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 15, 2008, 03:38:41 AM
Thanks for the photos...helps me remember why I moved south. I have no desire to go through cold snowy winters any more....

 :cheers


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on December 15, 2008, 03:45:00 AM
Norman,

I took a picture outside my window. ....  we have a good 4" of snow ... Ricky

Belated thank you for the pictures, Ricky. Sorry, everyone, for leading us astray from topic. But I DO feel a little more like Christmas now.

Segue back to topic, I'm leaving an empty spot under the tree this year to represent my "dog house" Forum guitar. Unless she (the guitar) surprises me I plan to name her Bella Tesoro, Italian for beautiful treasure. Holly will be happy to know there will be no ugly protuberances on her elegant form.

Norman


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 15, 2008, 04:56:22 AM
Belated thank you for the pictures, Ricky. Sorry, everyone, for leading us astray from topic. But I DO feel a little more like Christmas now.

Segue back to topic, I'm leaving an empty spot under the tree this year to represent my "dog house" Forum guitar. Unless she (the guitar) surprises me I plan to name her Bella Tesoro, Italian for beautiful treasure. Holly will be happy to know there will be no ugly protuberances on her elegant form.

Norman

I'm going to name mine "lost mortgage payment" after it's benefactor.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Denis on December 15, 2008, 01:18:26 PM
I'm going to name mine "lost mortgage payment" after it's benefactor.

Very nice!!!

You guys have got me starting to gas.  According to the order thread, I have until January 2 to decide whether or not to get one, eh?  And a mahogany/Italian spruce 12 fret LS is calling me now!!!  Or maybe rosewood/Italian spruce....decisions, decisions!

My CD should be available soon, hopefully I can sell enough copies/downloads to be able to afford a Forum III!!!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 15, 2008, 01:35:02 PM
Very nice!!!

You guys have got me starting to gas.  According to the order thread, I have until January 2 to decide whether or not to get one, eh?  And a mahogany/Italian spruce 12 fret LS is calling me now!!!  Or maybe rosewood/Italian spruce....decisions, decisions!

My CD should be available soon, hopefully I can sell enough copies/downloads to be able to afford a Forum III!!!!

Dennis, if I were you, the only question I would answer between now and Jan 2nd is, "Should I order just one"?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 15, 2008, 01:39:48 PM
Very nice!!!

You guys have got me starting to gas.  According to the order thread, I have until January 2 to decide whether or not to get one, eh?  And a mahogany/Italian spruce 12 fret LS is calling me now!!!  Or maybe rosewood/Italian spruce....decisions, decisions!

My CD should be available soon, hopefully I can sell enough copies/downloads to be able to afford a Forum III!!!!

Come on Denis, you know in your heart your a Hog man.
Good luck with the CD's
 :donut2  :donut  :donut2  :coffee  :coffee  :coffee


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: 2648wgb on December 15, 2008, 01:43:46 PM
Does anybody know how many frets the Forum III guitar will have.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 15, 2008, 01:46:43 PM
12 to the neck, 15 playable.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 15, 2008, 02:15:29 PM
Does anybody know how many frets the Forum III guitar will have.

18 total, I believe.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Denis on December 15, 2008, 02:25:13 PM
Come on Denis, you know in your heart your a Hog man.
Good luck with the CD's
 :donut2  :donut  :donut2  :coffee  :coffee  :coffee

Guilty!  Especially Larrivee mahogany....just wonder if iit would be too close to my 00 and I wonder if a roseood would be too close to the L-03R???   Nahhh!!!!  I am hog man, you're right and if I sell enough CD/downloads I might actually be able to convince my girlfriend that I need another guitar!!!!   :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 15, 2008, 02:36:50 PM
I sell enough CD/downloads I might actually be able to convince my girlfriend that I need another guitar!!!!   :nana_guitar

My wife asked why I was selling my Breedlove and I told her I wanted to order the new Forum III guitar but I absolutely wouldn't do it if I couldn't get rid of one of my other guitars. It's getting really crowded in my small music room. She said: "don't be ridiculous, order it now, you'll be able to sell the Breedlove eventually".
Long story short, buy the guitar, you can always get another girlfriend.  :humour:

Did I mention I love my wife sooooo much.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Denis on December 15, 2008, 02:46:09 PM
Long story short, buy the guitar, you can always get another girlfriend.  :humour:

Did I mention I love my wife sooooo much.


Wow...if that's not peer pressure....thanks for that!!!

I love my girlfriend too and I know she wouldn't get too pissed off if I did...but I think I'm gonna wait until that week between Xmas and new year just to be on the safe side.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 15, 2008, 02:59:20 PM

Wow...if that's not peer pressure....thanks for that!!!

I love my girlfriend too and I know she wouldn't get too pissed off if I did...but I think I'm gonna wait until that week between Xmas and new year just to be on the safe side.


That's probably the smart choice.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 15, 2008, 03:14:25 PM
This might not be that accurate, but it was fun anyway.  Fitness1 just posted a thread about an LSV 12 fret for sale.  I thought it would be fun to photoshop it to take the cutaway out to show what the forum git body shape might look like with the 12 fret neck.  I know this is the slightly smaller LS body, but it gives a good impression perhaps, given that all the other pictures we have seen are 14 fret models, or classicals????

Compare it to the picture of the LS-05 that Tuffy posted, I think the proportions work much better visually with a 12 fret neck.



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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 15, 2008, 03:25:03 PM
Hey...that has an abalone rosette.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Trinity Guitars on December 15, 2008, 03:27:29 PM
Norman,

 we have a good 4" of snow
   4"    Did you say 4"!!!!!   We have had 66" of snow this year already! 66" and it is not winter yet, and my new snowblower has been in the shop. I have been using a shovel.  4"..........
Jim Holler


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 15, 2008, 03:29:47 PM
Hey...that has an abalone rosette.

That's harsh.  I even took out the silver headstock binding now too.  Maybe I can get one of those rainbow Esteban rosettes Tuffy mentioned and put that on it??


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 15, 2008, 03:43:11 PM
Nice work Ben.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 15, 2008, 03:47:06 PM
Guilty!  Especially Larrivee mahogany....just wonder if iit would be too close to my 00 and I wonder if a roseood would be too close to the L-03R???   Nahhh!!!!  I am hog man, you're right and if I sell enough CD/downloads I might actually be able to convince my girlfriend that I need another guitar!!!!   :nana_guitar


Denis, come on.  Go Whole Hog...Go Hog Wild...... well, you get my drift.
As for the LS-03 being too close to your 00....    I know you are quite familiar with Larrivee guitars so I assume you know the general spec's of the two.  In a side-by-side size comparison the LS body  looks quite a bit larger to me.    The LS looks to be quite a bit larger to my eyes.  I posted this pic dozens of pages ago but I'll re-post it for your benefit.  It shows a 00, LS, and parlor for comparison.  We'd love to have you on board Denis.   And I, for one, would love to hear you make it sing.  Hope you come aboard.



Tuffythepug

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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 15, 2008, 03:54:05 PM
Looking at your pic again Tuffy, I think the LS looks better proportioned as a 12 fretter.  Some body styles do and some don't in my opinion.

I hope my photoshop effort is accurate now, please don't hold me responsible if it is miles off!!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 15, 2008, 04:07:51 PM
   4"    Did you say 4"!!!!!   We have had 66" of snow this year already! 66" and it is not winter yet, and my new snowblower has been in the shop. I have been using a shovel.  4"..........
Jim Holler

near Buffalo, NY. the snow capitol of the USA, and probably gets more snow than most spots in Canada, too. Great if you love cross country skiing!!! Not good if you like a Christmas day motorcycle ride...  :yak:


I think Buffalo is where all the snow that Canadian snow blowers toss in the air goes...   :winkin:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 15, 2008, 04:46:28 PM
Zach has sent a Forum Guitar III  broadcast message (newsletter) to the registered email address of all subscribers.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 15, 2008, 05:11:39 PM
near Buffalo, NY. the snow capitol of the USA, and probably gets more snow than most spots in Canada, too. Great if you love cross country skiing!!! Not good if you like a Christmas day motorcycle ride...  :yak:


I think Buffalo is where all the snow that Canadian snow blowers toss in the air goes...   :winkin:


You're funny Randy. Don't worry, Jim already holds us responsible for his snow problems.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 15, 2008, 05:14:43 PM
Guilty!  Especially Larrivee mahogany....just wonder if iit would be too close to my 00 and I wonder if a roseood would be too close to the L-03R???   Nahhh!!!!  I am hog man, you're right and if I sell enough CD/downloads I might actually be able to convince my girlfriend that I need another guitar!!!!   :nana_guitar
         
                    Denis I have a 00 and I have had an LSV that was the same in body dimensions as to what we are ordering and I can tell you they are a lot different.
                  I measured my Martin OM-21 and it is very close to the same specs except the waist is narrower. The Om-21 is the same body size as a 000 Martin. That may help you a little.  
                  If you can swing it the IS/Hog would fit you like a glove.  IMHO


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: eyemgh on December 15, 2008, 05:44:56 PM
I haven't been here for a long time, but I got the forum guitar mail. Wow! I haven't owned a Larrivee since I sold my LS-09W. Now to have a 12 fretter w/ rosewood. Too cool!!!

I'm too lazy to read 53 pages of posts. Any word on price? Thanks!

M

EDIT: Ignore that. I found the post. Thanks!!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 15, 2008, 05:47:47 PM
I haven't been here for a long time, but I got the forum guitar mail. Wow! I haven't owned a Larrivee since I sold my LS-09W. Now to have a 12 fretter w/ rosewood. Too cool!!!

I'm too lazy to read 53 pages of posts. Any word on price? Thanks!

M

An approx cost is in the spec, I'll send the actual $US to you. forum rules...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TwoStep420 on December 15, 2008, 05:49:43 PM
An approx cost is in the spec, I'll send the actual $US to you. forum rules...


Can you please send me the price as well. Thanks!

ZandyMan41@gmail.com


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: dcarey on December 15, 2008, 07:18:28 PM
Zach has sent a Forum Guitar III  broadcast message (newsletter) to the registered email address of all subscribers.

Just got it!  Unfortunately, I also just got a three week layoff with another coming in February so I'll have to request that my name be removed from any Forum Guitar list  :crying:

Cash is just too tight right now.

Dan


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Blue in VT on December 15, 2008, 07:28:59 PM
 :crying: :blush: :crying:

I feel your pain Dan....sorry to hear about your situation...it is all too common this holiday season.  I wish this forum guitar thing had happened at a different time of year....but the steamroller could not be slowed....**SIGH**

hang in there buddy....things will turn a corner soon...I hope....for both our sakes... :arrow

Blue


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 15, 2008, 07:33:05 PM
Wow! We're up to 21 Forum Guitars now!!! Is that a record for the previous forum guitars?

Maybe Jean will think twice about the LS model as a production model next year.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: satch on December 15, 2008, 07:38:34 PM
OK, here's a link to a 1975 'LS09' 12 fret. Not sure if the Forum Guitar is more or less the same or not.

http://randyrick.us/guitars/Larrivee1975LS09.htm


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Denis on December 15, 2008, 07:39:50 PM
Thank tuffy and Dan...I'm still not sure...thanks for more peer pressure though!

Seriously though, I'm sold on hog/IS but I'm still going to wait a week or two...just to make sure.  I have until January 2 so no rush...but a 12 fret, IS/hog LS-03...wow, that does sound like my kinda guitar!!!!   :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 15, 2008, 08:07:47 PM
   4"    Did you say 4"!!!!!   We have had 66" of snow this year already! 66" and it is not winter yet, and my new snowblower has been in the shop. I have been using a shovel.  4"..........
Jim Holler

Ok Jim...  I'm not complaining then... it has been a good winter. Never saw snow until well into December - usually it comes around October - November here.

You're living too close to the Canadian border !!!

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: goa on December 15, 2008, 08:10:47 PM
Hey, I may want in, this is a chance to get a rosewood to compliment my sapale!  

Could the powers that be PM me the price and downpayment?  I read the specs it's "under xyz" which sounds cool.  And I should be able to save the rest in 3 mos.  

thanks,

Garrett



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 15, 2008, 08:11:04 PM
Wow! We're up to 21 Forum Guitars now!!! Is that a record for the previous forum guitars?

Maybe Jean will think twice about the LS model as a production model next year.

I think we will get a number more ordering. I just wish they would make it to the older smaller specs all around, but I like it just fine either way.
                LS 12 fret IS/true Mahogany or RW or all Hog.... SWEEEEEEET.... plus a signed label and a special "T the P" fretboard.                                      

   Sure am thinking about 2  :guitar :guitar
                  


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Blue in VT on December 15, 2008, 08:14:33 PM
    Sure am thinking about 2  :guitar :guitar

 :mad: :mad: stop rubbing it in.... :mad:

Blue


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: oldrockfan on December 15, 2008, 08:15:16 PM
can I get the actual price of the forum 3 guitar also? I'd like to see price on the mahog/spruce and the rosewood/spruce. Also just wondering since they are offering more than one version did they consider adding a maple/spruce version as an option?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 15, 2008, 08:24:08 PM
can I get the actual price of the forum 3 guitar also? I'd like to see price on the mahog/spruce and the rosewood/spruce. Also just wondering since they are offering more than one version did they consider adding a maple/spruce version as an option?
No Maple and there is a spec thread and pricing is south of 1100
:mad: :mad: stop rubbing it in.... :mad:

Blue
Sorry Blue... not tryin to do that...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Blue in VT on December 15, 2008, 08:31:29 PM
 :wink:  I realize that Danny...just my jealousy rearing its ugly head!

Blue


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: oldrockfan on December 15, 2008, 08:34:08 PM
just wondering how far south of 1100 they are talking about? Also have they got a concept pic of what the guitar will look like?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 15, 2008, 08:38:49 PM
just wondering how far south of 1100 they are talking about? Also have they got a concept pic of what the guitar will look like?

Not too far south.... In money terms, it's not even a mile in my books.

You may contact or PM Jim Holler of Trinity Guitars for exact prices.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 15, 2008, 08:41:32 PM
Part of the excitement is that we cannot really show you exactly what it will look like.  The body shape will be line the LS-09 that there is a link to a few posts back by satch.  The Italian Spruce is very pale coloured.  Examples of the herringbone rosette are shown in the thread too, as is a picture of JCL holding the Italian Spruce.  The rest is really down to your own ability to visualise it.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 15, 2008, 08:44:40 PM
just wondering how far south of 1100 they are talking about? Also have they got a concept pic of what the guitar will look like?
  Check PM


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 15, 2008, 11:53:55 PM
Here's an update on the "recruits' I brought over from the leftyfrets forum.
So far I've received serious inquiries from 5 different members there.   As of right now Phil is on board and will be placing his order right away.    One other is on the fence, having just purchased a new Santa Cruz OM.    The rest are still considering jumping in;  finances permitting.
I'm a little surprised that so many from that forum picked up on what a great opportunity this is. 

Phil, if you're reading this.....welcome aboard.   Look forward to hearing your thoughts about the forum guitar when it finally gets in your hands.   

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 16, 2008, 12:03:09 AM
This might not be that accurate, but it was fun anyway.  Fitness1 just posted a thread about an LSV 12 fret for sale.  I thought it would be fun to photoshop it to take the cutaway out to show what the forum git body shape might look like with the 12 fret neck.  I know this is the slightly smaller LS body, but it gives a good impression perhaps, given that all the other pictures we have seen are 14 fret models, or classicals????

Compare it to the picture of the LS-05 that Tuffy posted, I think the proportions work much better visually with a 12 fret neck.


Ben I thought this was worth re-posting so some of the newcomers to the thread could see the size and shape.

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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 16, 2008, 12:22:30 AM
Danny
Yeah, .....just imagine it with a herringbone rosette and a beautiful mahogany top  :roll




Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: JasonA on December 16, 2008, 12:37:28 AM
Could someone PM or Email me with Jim's pricing on these forum guitars? I emailed him first thing this morning, but no reply yet. I'm tempted...  :tongue:



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 16, 2008, 12:41:03 AM
Here's an update on the "recruits' I brought over from the leftyfrets forum.
So far I've received serious inquiries from 5 different members there.   As of right now Phil is on board and will be placing his order right away.    One other is on the fence, having just purchased a new Santa Cruz OM.    The rest are still considering jumping in;  finances permitting.
I'm a little surprised that so many from that forum picked up on what a great opportunity this is. 

Phil, if you're reading this.....welcome aboard.   Look forward to hearing your thoughts about the forum guitar when it finally gets in your hands.   

Tuffythepug
Why so surprised? ... everyone knows the high level of intelligence that lefties possess.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 16, 2008, 02:01:55 AM
Could someone PM or Email me with Jim's pricing on these forum guitars? I emailed him first thing this morning, but no reply yet. I'm tempted...  :tongue:



done !


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Cybenator on December 16, 2008, 02:17:21 AM
I too have emailed Jim , with no response...   Anyone help me out?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 16, 2008, 02:28:36 AM
I too have emailed Jim , with no response...   Anyone help me out?

Jim said he has a BIG backlog of email that he will answer. I'll forward the actual price to you.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: dwade277 on December 16, 2008, 02:59:51 AM
 I picked up an OM-05M last year around this time with help from members hear. I love this guitar. Now you all send me a letter letin' me know about a new Forum guitar. I'm a sucker for mahogany guitars and I'm startin' to salivate.
 Sorry I have not read through all the posts. Can you tell me if it is a true mahogany guitar with a satin finish?? Is there any way you all can start a poor musicians fund in my name? :nana_guitar
Can some one PM me the price of an all mahogany guitar?
 Video of me and my Larrivee opening up for Bo Bice www.myspace.com/damonjohnwade (http://www.myspace.com/damonjohnwade)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 16, 2008, 03:08:02 AM
I picked up an OM-05M last year around this time with help from members hear. I love this guitar. Now you all send me a letter letin' me know about a new Forum guitar. I'm a sucker for mahogany guitars and I'm startin' to salivate.
 Sorry I have not read through all the posts. Can you tell me if it is a true mahogany guitar with a satin finish?? Is there any way you all can start a poor musicians fund in my name? :nana_guitar
Can some one PM me the price of an all mahogany guitar?
 Video of me and my Larrivee opening up for Bo Bice www.myspace.com/damonjohnwade (http://www.myspace.com/damonjohnwade)
It's real hog and an Italian spruce  if you want that option for top or RW sides
     Are there any other kind of  musicians?   :whistling:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: willguitar on December 16, 2008, 04:52:36 AM
Hi,

Jim sent me the prices very early this morning. I'm sure he is working through the list of interested people. Now would be the ideal time to inquire about any upgrades as well. Kudos to Jim!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: prof_stack on December 16, 2008, 05:21:51 AM
Wow, another Larrivee forum guitar!  Temptation is low but growing.  Jim H is a great guy to work with.  I've bought 3 guitars from him.

A few questions come to mind and any replies will be appreciated by this former Larry owner (JV-05E, L-05MT, L-03MT, SD-50).  The LS size sounds intriguing.
Q:  How will the MT version sound compared to a typical L-03MT?  Compared to an 000-15S?
Q:  Can you describe how Italian spruce sounds compared to Sitka or Adi?

If these questions have been answered earlier, please send me the link.  Thanks!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: vates on December 16, 2008, 10:12:19 AM
Sorry for asking, but I haven't found this yet:
Will it be satin-finished like all -03s or gloss? Many thanks!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 16, 2008, 10:16:24 AM
Sorry for asking, but I haven't found this yet:
Will it be satin-finished like all -03s or gloss? Many thanks!

Satin finish, which should look nice on the very light Italian spruce, if that be your choice.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: vates on December 16, 2008, 10:19:05 AM
Thank you!

I think it will...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: iDavid on December 16, 2008, 11:49:25 AM
Danny
Yeah, .....just imagine it with a herringbone rosette and a beautiful mahogany top  :roll




I am seriously thinking about getting the MT top, short on cash.. but I may swing it.  I am kind of surprised that more people aren't going for the HOG.  I've tried to read through this post, but this is a lot here.

What is so special about the Italian spruce? It must be something  :thumbsup



david


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: vates on December 16, 2008, 12:24:58 PM
Well, I've got one more question here. sorry, if it's too n00b

I'm thinking about tortoise pickguard option. I think I will play more fingerstyle on this guitar with just occasional (up to 1/3 of playing time)  flatpicking and chord-playing (just because I think this guitar will sound better under fingers (please, correct me if I'm wrong)... and I've got a D for strumming after all). But I like the looks of a guitar with t.pickguard very much.
So the question is: will a pickguard somewhat worsen the sound of an LS? Considering the body is small and such... Maybe someone's got a proper experience. Many thanks in advance!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 16, 2008, 01:41:27 PM
Sorry for asking, but I haven't found this yet:
Will it be satin-finished like all -03s or gloss? Many thanks!

It's satin.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: vates on December 16, 2008, 03:00:54 PM
Thank you! Any suggestions on my second question?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Denis on December 16, 2008, 03:39:21 PM
Thank you! Any suggestions on my second question?

Pickguards do touch the top so there might be a slight dampening but I don't think you could tell the difference.  I like my guitars without them because I like the look.  If you're a pick player, then you might want to consider having Jim install the pickguard for you should you buy one of these Forum III guitars. 


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 16, 2008, 04:23:46 PM
Is anyone else besides myself considering having a Larrivee clear pickguard installed? I expect I'd have to have Jim H. purchase it at extra cost.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tadol on December 16, 2008, 04:49:43 PM
Randy - I'm considering the same. But I don't know if I want it installed immediately -  Then again, I'm still torn between the IS/RW and IS/Hog - RW on order, but  . . . . . .

Tad


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Cybenator on December 16, 2008, 05:35:19 PM
Randy, a clear pickguard is a great idea. Will have to make a mental note ...


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 16, 2008, 05:52:56 PM
   For the "IS" that would be nice. But as an extra in the case for  me. Either way is good though. I probably won't install any P.G.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BlastersFan55 on December 16, 2008, 06:26:54 PM
I'm going without for now and see how I like it.  Right now, I see the guitar as primarliy a fingerpicker for me, but we'll see what happens when I get it!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: WVUBAMA on December 16, 2008, 08:24:34 PM
I am considering the MT.

I wonder if the label will say "Handcrafted in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada"? I always liked that touch. Might have to sell my D-03R to swing it, but this is a pretty tempting offer.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 16, 2008, 08:48:49 PM
I am considering the MT.

I wonder if the label will say "Handcrafted in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada"? I always liked that touch. Might have to sell my D-03R to swing it, but this is a pretty tempting offer.

Go for it !   Us hoggies always welcome another hog fan.   My Om-03R label reads "Handcrafted in Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada" as you said. 
The forum III will be made in the same shop so it probably will carry the same wording with the addition of "Forum Guitar III " and, of course, signed by JCL.

Tuffythepug



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: muscmp on December 16, 2008, 08:51:28 PM
i recently bought a taylor 712, grand concert size, and really love it but i've heard so much about larrivee that i thought i'd try the forum guitar.  the only thing i don't like is the 12 frets.  is there anyone else who doesn't like the aspect of 12 frets?  perhaps most people feel that they would be fingerpicking and playing down low so who cares about only 12 frets.  the price does seem to be a good deal less than the standard 03.

what kind of sound would one expect from an all hog guitar?  especially since it is a fairly small bodied guitar.

anyway, i'd really like to get one but the 12 frets is stopping me at the moment.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Daysailer on December 16, 2008, 10:53:36 PM
i recently bought a taylor 712, grand concert size, and really love it but i've heard so much about larrivee that i thought i'd try the forum guitar.  the only thing i don't like is the 12 frets.  is there anyone else who doesn't like the aspect of 12 frets?  perhaps most people feel that they would be fingerpicking and playing down low so who cares about only 12 frets.  the price does seem to be a good deal less than the standard 03.

what kind of sound would one expect from an all hog guitar?  especially since it is a fairly small bodied guitar.

anyway, i'd really like to get one but the 12 frets is stopping me at the moment.

 :welcome:   to the Larrivee forum      :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut
One advantage of the 12 frets and keeping the scale lenth to 25.5" is that bridge is moved away from the sound hold the equivilent of the 'lost' frets.  This moves the bridge to the center of the lower bout and drives the top more effiecently. It also seems to really enhance the bass response. This has been my experience with my 12 fret all Hog OM.

You also mention 'fairly' small bodied guitar.  Per the specs on the spec thread the lower bout will be the same exact size as my OM, 15-1/4".  The upper bout will be a bit smaller, but the waist will be bigger. So probably a wash for same basic size as an OM.  ( less the 1/4" thinner body ).. The shape will be different, but the size will be very similar to an OM..

As for sound, Hog is different.  Try a search to find disscussions about the differences.   Many here really love the sound of All Mahogany guitars.  I know I do.   And this is a chance to get REAL Mahogany at a great price.  Its getting rarer.

ds :beer 


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: satch on December 16, 2008, 11:29:14 PM
I actually prefer 12 fret guitars. Maybe it's imagination, but I think they do have better bass.

I have a buddy that makes a living as a classical guitar player and he makes playing the higher frets look effortless. No 14 fret, no cutaway on his guitars.

The bridge placement in the 'center of mass' seems to make good engineering sense.

Plus, 12 fretters look good! :coffee


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 16, 2008, 11:36:37 PM
Go for it !   Us hoggies always welcome another hog fan.   My Om-03R label reads "Handcrafted in Vancouvefr, British Columbia, Canada" as you said. 
The forum III will be made in the same shop so it probably will carry the same wording with the addition of "Forum Guitar III " and, of course, signed by JC


Tuffy... your guitar label that says "handcrafted..." sounds much more emphatic than simply Made in Van, BC or Made in Canada.

A stickler for details... this is worth bringing up (however miniscule or trivial to some) to Jim Holler to request Vancouver factory to have our label say so.

Meanwhile, CAD went up 2-3 cents against USD... as US dropped interest rates... time to put my deposit in.

ricky  :thumb


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 16, 2008, 11:53:28 PM
Meanwhile, CAD went up 2-3 cents against USD... as US dropped interest rates... time to put my deposit in.

ricky  :thumb

Not meaning to be negative, but I wouldn't be holding my breath if I were you.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: muscmp on December 16, 2008, 11:59:18 PM
:welcome:   to the Larrivee forum      :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut :donut
One advantage of the 12 frets and keeping the scale lenth to 25.5" is that bridge is moved away from the sound hold the equivilent of the 'lost' frets.  This moves the bridge to the center of the lower bout and drives the top more effiecently. It also seems to really enhance the bass response. This has been my experience with my 12 fret all Hog OM.

You also mention 'fairly' small bodied guitar.  Per the specs on the spec thread the lower bout will be the same exact size as my OM, 15-1/4".  The upper bout will be a bit smaller, but the waist will be bigger. So probably a wash for same basic size as an OM.  ( less the 1/4" thinner body ).. The shape will be different, but the size will be very similar to an OM..

As for sound, Hog is different.  Try a search to find disscussions about the differences.   Many here really love the sound of All Mahogany guitars.  I know I do.   And this is a chance to get REAL Mahogany at a great price.  Its getting rarer.

ds :beer 

ds:  thanks for the info.  since my taylor is fairly bright then a whole hog(no laughing, ok!) larrivee with a larger body would actually give me a more bassy sound.  may be just what i need!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 17, 2008, 12:02:39 AM
Not meaning to be negative, but I wouldn't be holding my breath if I were you.

Well, every guitar purchase of mine has been so far, an emotional decision rather than an economic one.  I'd be content with a used Godin guitar otherwise.

I hope our friends in the USA appreciate how blessed they are... everything is so affordable (relatively speaking) south of the border.

Not going to hold my breath... really it is better to be patient and wait for a guitar owner to GAS and sell cheap... get ready with your bucks & buy when you see one.
Case in point, the used OO-05 in the marketplace FS.

I sure hope... after the Forum Git III - no more brand new guitars for me (someone laugh at me  :laughin:)  Muwahahaha.... except of course a Taylor BZ/Adi maple binding

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 17, 2008, 12:06:49 AM
i recently bought a taylor 712, grand concert size, and really love it but i've heard so much about larrivee that i thought i'd try the forum guitar.  the only thing i don't like is the 12 frets.  is there anyone else who doesn't like the aspect of 12 frets?  perhaps most people feel that they would be fingerpicking and playing down low so who cares about only 12 frets.  the price does seem to be a good deal less than the standard 03.

what kind of sound would one expect from an all hog guitar?  especially since it is a fairly small bodied guitar.

anyway, i'd really like to get one but the 12 frets is stopping me at the moment.

Welcome to the Larrivee Forum muscmp..

The previous Forum Guitar I&II was a 12 fret (to the body) neck OM-03 and could be had with either mahogany or sitka spruce top. I have one of the mahogany top versions, and in terms of volume and tone it is quite surprising to many experienced guitar players. But if you play  above the 12th fret, it may not be for you. A good test would be to capo at the 2nd fret of a normal 12Fret neck guitar and play. If you run into the body in a manner that disturbs your playing, then its much the same on this guitars neck.

Maybe a C-09 is what you really want?



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 17, 2008, 12:23:06 AM
Well, every guitar purchase of mine has been so far, an emotional decision rather than an economic one.  I'd be content with a used Godin guitar otherwise.

I hope our friends in the USA appreciate how blessed they are... everything is so affordable (relatively speaking) south of the border.

Not going to hold my breath... really it is better to be patient and wait for a guitar owner to GAS and sell cheap... get ready with your bucks & buy when you see one.
Case in point, the used OO-05 in the marketplace FS.

I sure hope... after the Forum Git III - no more brand new guitars for me (someone laugh at me  :laughin:)  Muwahahaha.... except of course a Taylor BZ/Adi maple binding

ricky

Ricky
Let me tell you how hard it is to say "no" around here.  A year ago, prompted by a post from another forum member I swore an oath not to buy any new guitars in 2008.   I had the best of intentions.   I had just gotten 2 very nice Larrivees.... a new OM-03R and a like new L-10 from Bhika.  I was set.  Easy to kee that promise you'd think.   I only gave myself two outs at the time:   I swore that I wouldn't get any new guitars in 08 unless #1 I could find a way to get the forum I lefty hogtop from Bluesman67.   He already told me that I was dreaming if I thought that was going to happen so I was on pretty safe ground there.  My 2nd "out" was that if I ever was able to find a left handed 000-50 with a hog top all bets were off.  Still on safe ground there you would think.  They hadn't made any 000-50 hog tops at all, let alone lefties at that time.
What happens ?  A few months ago a 000-50MT lefty becomes available for a trade and a little cash. Ok, first out is a gonner.  And then..............well I don't think I need to remind you that I had the good fortune to be in on the forum III "dog house" guitar.....   yeah.... forum III hogtop 12 fretter..  close enough.  It ain't Bluesman67s OM-03MT forum I but it's close enough.   
So..   Make all the promises to yourself that you want.   Sometimes a man (or woman) has gotta do what they gotta do.   I can't for the life of me think what might tempt me next but I know something will.

My name is tuffy.  I'm a guiitar-a-holic. 

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on December 17, 2008, 12:47:36 AM
Hanging out with this gang is like going to AA meetings where they serve spiked punch.  :humour:

Typing 100 times is easier with cut and paste, "All I want now is an electric bass guitar and amp." (times 100)

Let's see how long THAT lasts.  :laughin:

Norman


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 17, 2008, 12:53:08 AM
My name is tuffy.  I'm a guiitar-a-holic. 

Amen brother!   ... soothing words Tuffy... thanks!       

ricky


...  not enough Benjamins for this git-a-holic for an all-hog Forum III,  so, I'm thinking of stooping so low as to ask my mom to buy me the used OM-05MT.

Mommy... mommy... mommy...  but so far, I've resisted.    Okay, too much self-disclosure.   I wonder how low others have gone to get a GAS fix ? :?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 17, 2008, 12:55:33 AM
Hanging out with this gang is like going to AA meetings where they serve spiked punch.  :humour:

Typing 100 times is easier with cut and paste, "All I want now is an electric bass guitar and amp." (times 100)

Let's see how long THAT lasts.  :laughin:

Norman

You got the disease too? Yikes!!! :ohmy:

I was going to ask you to help me with... with... with... this SELF-CONTROL virtue.

Now, I'm really hopeless.   :nana_guitar    Yes !!!

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: limnephilidae on December 17, 2008, 01:00:05 AM
Well, every guitar purchase of mine has been so far, an emotional decision rather than an economic one.  I'd be content with a used Godin guitar otherwise.

I hope our friends in the USA appreciate how blessed they are... everything is so affordable (relatively speaking) south of the border.

Not going to hold my breath... really it is better to be patient and wait for a guitar owner to GAS and sell cheap... get ready with your bucks & buy when you see one.
Case in point, the used OO-05 in the marketplace FS.

I sure hope... after the Forum Git III - no more brand new guitars for me (someone laugh at me  :laughin:)  Muwahahaha.... except of course a Taylor BZ/Adi maple binding

ricky

I hope you appreciate how much cheaper it is to live in Alberta than Ontario.  :cop:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 17, 2008, 01:04:06 AM
I hope you appreciate how much cheaper it is to live in Alberta than Ontario.  :cop:

Point taken. I'm not complaining.  But Twelfth Fret should open a branch in Edmonton... man, I drove for 3 hours to buy my first Taylor... in Calgary even.  ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 17, 2008, 01:10:14 AM
Remember self-control is over-rated.  Take advantage of good deals when you can; it's better than the remorse that comes from missing out on a great opportunity to get a special guitar. Yeah ok I did get two new guitars this year but I sold another one and I've got two more getting ready to go on the block.    I sometimes think we're just rentin' some of these things.
The quest for the perfect stable of acoustic and electric guitars continues   :thumb

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Jagadis on December 17, 2008, 01:12:21 AM
You guys totally crack me up.  I can't wait to see what this discussion thread gonna look like in February after 8 more weeks of winter and 4 weeks to go before the new guitars are delivered  Everyone will be going totally wacky by that time.  :wacko:  

Thanks to all for making this happen.  Thanks also to Jim.  I spoke to him on the phone yesterday to give him my deposit and he is a really nice guy.  

For the record...I'm also a ALL-HOG-OHOLIC!!!

Jordan.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 17, 2008, 01:29:53 AM
Jordan  :welcome: to the nut house, funny farm, called Larri Forum.

It's fun around here... can't get away from it.

Okay... have a  :donut :donut :coffee and I'll shut up now and play my guitar.  :nana_guitar

ricky



And Tuffy... thanks for forever ruining the word SELF-CONTROL for me...  now I'll try my best to save my coins to buy used Larris - with  WRECKLESS-ABANDON !!!  :+1:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 17, 2008, 02:05:53 AM
And yes, you guys r the biggest group of enablers I have ever known! Bad!
 :roll


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 17, 2008, 02:15:50 AM
Hey everyone,

I'm not sure if any of you are even gonna care, but I thought that I needed to at least post this. Unfortunately, I have had to cancel my order for the forum guitar (I was number 6 on the IS/RW list). This took a lot of soul searching, but in the end, it had to be done.

The key reasons that ending up making the decision were:

1. With our dollar being so weak against the US dollar, I was gonna end up paying at least $300 more than you guys for the same guitar.
2. If we could have arranged direct shipment to Canadian addresses that may have helped keep me in, but I doubt it (and I know this is still up in the air).
3. I haven't finished paying for my current Larrivee.
4. I was very scared that she was gonna arrive and I wasn't going to like her. As a friend of mine said on another guitar forum that I'm on, it's best to touch and play a guitar before spending the bucks which clearly isn't an option here.

So, it was with a very heavy heart that I emailed Jim on Saturday morning to cancel my order.

Quite honestly, I have no idea what my next acoustic is gonna be, and yes, thanks to you all, I have a very bad case of GAS going on. I know that my next/first electric is gonna be a Rickenbacker.  :nice guitar:

Again, I wanted to post and let you guys know what happened to me. I am still watching this thread as eagerly as before and look forward to seeing the guitars.

Also, any suggestions on my next acoustic? Not sure it's gonna be a Larrivee, but if it was, I don't know what size to go to (dreadnoughts are too big for me).

Thanks,

Lynda  :gotdonuts:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: TimButterfield on December 17, 2008, 02:33:42 AM
Since this thread has gotten so long, I thought I would add a sub-topic to it to keep the record going.  :thumb

I would like to try playing some classical on my IS/RW maybe using some light PB or some silk/steel or silk/bronze.  Any thoughts on whether this may work?  For your FG3, what kind of music are you looking to play and what kind of strings are you planning to use?

Thanks.

Tim


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: mymidea on December 17, 2008, 03:07:38 AM
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Are you worry about the expensive price for your source of goods?
Pls visit www.welljordan.com at once,and contact us with:
website:www.welljordan.com

 :welcome:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 17, 2008, 03:11:25 AM
Did we just get spammed?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 17, 2008, 03:12:20 AM
Are you worry about source of goods for your shop?
Are you worry about the expensive price for your source of goods?
Pls visit www.welljordan.com at once,and contact us with:
website:www.welljordan.com

 :welcome:

delete spammer... kill rover....


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Dotneck on December 17, 2008, 03:18:05 AM
4. I was very scared that she was gonna arrive and I wasn't going to like her. As a friend of mine said on another guitar forum that I'm on, it's best to touch and play a guitar before spending the bucks which clearly isn't an option here.

I can understand backing out of the order if it isn't right for you. All of the financial reasons make sense to me.  But the feel/touch policy seems weird since you've got a Rick on order.  Do you have experience with ricks? They are a kind of specialty guitar...I wanted one for years and once I got one I kept it about six months since I really had no need for its tone....I think the Forum LS would be much more useful (although I have no idea what kind of music you play....)

BTW...I think I still have a stereo cable around if you have a need for it (if the rick ever comes in....)

 :tongue:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 17, 2008, 03:40:12 AM
lyric_girl,

if you are not 100% sure about this, I think you've made a right choice.

It is a lot of money to spend it on a guitar that you aren't sure of.. (I have had saved for over a year and a half for my guitar fund..)

I hoe you can find the right guitar! if the dreadnought is too big for you.. have you tried a slopped dread(eg. J45)?  Gibson has a real nice small body guitars... or SCGC, Lowden, Collings have fantastic small body guitars as well...!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 17, 2008, 03:49:20 AM
lyric_girl,

if you are not 100% sure about this, I think you've made a right choice.

It is a lot of money to spend it on a guitar that you aren't sure of.. (I have had saved for over a year and a half for my guitar fund..)

I hoe you can find the right guitar! if the dreadnought is too big for you.. have you tried a slopped dread(eg. J45)?  Gibson has a real nice small body guitars... or SCGC, Lowden, Collings have fantastic small body guitars as well...!

Thanks Jeff, I appreciate your kind words.

Will spend some time googling for my next acoustic. I REALLY shouldn't even be thinking about this since the Ric is on order, but one can always dream.

I had really hoped to be part of the forum guitar, but for me, it's not meant to be.

Lynda


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 17, 2008, 04:50:27 AM

Also, any suggestions on my next acoustic? Not sure it's gonna be a Larrivee, but if it was, I don't know what size to go to (dreadnoughts are too big for me).

Thanks,

Lynda  :gotdonuts:

Lynda, I have a like new Breedlove (http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=24092.0) in the F/S section. It's big on the low end (meaning nice bass responce) like a dred but it is an orchestra body. Check out the link for the video review.  :nanadance  :nana_guitar  :nanadance  :nana_guitar  :nanadance  :nana_guitar

selfish plug but
She asked for recommendations  :whistling:

 :coffee  :donut2  :donut  :donut2  :coffee  :donut2 :donut  :donut2  :coffee  :wave


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: VictimOfComfort on December 17, 2008, 05:19:16 AM
I'm afraid I'm going to have to back out for several of the same reasons lyric_girl is (in fact, I was just saying several of them to her on the train home this evening).  I guess I'm just not ready for the Forum III.  But this forum is filled with an entertaining bunch, so perhaps after some more time hanging out around here with all of you I'll be ready for the Forum IV  :smile:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 17, 2008, 05:49:35 AM
Also, any suggestions on my next acoustic? Not sure it's gonna be a Larrivee, but if it was, I don't know what size to go to (dreadnoughts are too big for me).

Lynda,

Go for what you really like... PM sent.

ricky  :guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: vates on December 17, 2008, 06:31:07 AM
Pickguards do touch the top so there might be a slight dampening but I don't think you could tell the difference.  I like my guitars without them because I like the look.  If you're a pick player, then you might want to consider having Jim install the pickguard for you should you buy one of these Forum III guitars. 

Thanks for the answer!
But I still can't decide... ahh... dampening you say? So, does it really worsen or not? What a dillema...  :angry:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tadol on December 17, 2008, 06:54:12 AM
Then get it without, and play it. If you put a scratch in the top, have the guard installed and never tell a soul -

Tad


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 17, 2008, 06:56:39 AM
I agree with Denis.  A certain amount of "dampening" my be inevitable:   It may be scientifically measurable but probably not noticable to the human ear.  I'd rather have it on and avoid putting marks on the top with a pick myself.  If you use just fingers you can do without it.....unless of course you like the look.  I confess I do like the look most of the time.   I'm going to have the pg for my forum III put in the case so I can see it naked for a while before I decide to put it on.
I don't really care for the squarish clear pickguards that used to come on Larrivees.  The "tortis" is ok.  I think a solid black Martin style pg would look terrific on the new forum III with the white Italian Spruce top.  Somebody ought to try that.  

Tuffythepug




Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 17, 2008, 01:01:03 PM
I agree with Denis.  A certain amount of "dampening" my be inevitable:   It may be scientifically measurable but probably not noticable to the human ear.  I'd rather have it on and avoid putting marks on the top with a pick myself.  If you use just fingers you can do without it.....unless of course you like the look.  I confess I do like the look most of the time.   I'm going to have the pg for my forum III put in the case so I can see it naked for a while before I decide to put it on.
I don't really care for the squarish clear pickguards that used to come on Larrivees.  The "tortis" is ok.  I think a solid black Martin style pg would look terrific on the new forum III with the white Italian Spruce top.  Somebody ought to try that.  

Tuffythepug



  Hmmmmm...so many PG choices.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Chasjax on December 17, 2008, 02:43:12 PM
Size of Forum Guitar body?  Can anyone explain why the body size of the Forum III is different from the spec's in the Larrivee catalog?  The upper bout, lower bout, waist, and most importantly the body depth are all different.  Why is the Form III body depth only 4" vs. 4.25" in the catalog?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 17, 2008, 02:46:44 PM
Because 4" was the standard depth on the original LS models, and was increased to 4.25".  Many people involved in this project wanted the traditional smaller depth.  This is why the body sizes are specified in such detail on the Forum Order thread - take a look at tthat for the details.  This will be a prett unique body shape and size.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Chasjax on December 17, 2008, 02:57:50 PM
Thanks Ben.  I am concerned that the lack of depth will affect the timbre - afraid the LS will be more like a Martin OM than a LS. 

And TuffythePug's quote regarding Self-Control will be added to my list of classics.  Here is one I've lived by for years that most of you don't want the hear -

 "Anything worth having is worth having two of."


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: BenF on December 17, 2008, 03:03:12 PM
Thanks Ben.  I am concerned that the lack of depth will affect the timbre - afraid the LS will be more like a Martin OM than a LS. 

And TuffythePug's quote regarding Self-Control will be added to my list of classics.  Here is one I've lived by for years that most of you don't want the hear -

 "Anything worth having is worth having two of."

Don't say things like that.  If my wife knew I had even thought about owning two Forum Guitars (IS/RW and HOG/HOG) I'd be out the door.  GAS is bad for marriages!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tadol on December 17, 2008, 04:26:17 PM
I wouldn't worry too much about this sounding like a Martin - it's gonna be Larrivee through and through. The slightly shallower body is just gonna make it a much more comfortable guitar to hold, and the LS body is just a slightly smaller L, and with a 12 fret neck this will be one of the largest 12 fretters Larrivee makes. I only wish we coulda agreed on a short scale, like the LSV11. But the extra charge for a 5/8" shorter scale did seem kinda high.  For me it just means I'm gonna start looking outside the Larrivee line for one.  :?

As for only buying a guitar you can hold and play first, well, I wish that were possible. Too many of the guitars I've got were unknown models to me before I bought them, and only a very few were really mistakes. Its kind of a 3 bears situation, you have to try them to know what is too small, what is too big, what has too fat a neck, what has too skinny a neck, what does the rosewood sound like, what does the mahogany, etc. I guess if you are lucky enough to have a great guitar shop close by, you could spend alot of time there trying them. Not an option for most people, and that is why when I found a builder whose instruments really worked for me finally, I went a little crazy and bought a number of them. A few I've sold ( parlor too small, Dread too big, etc. ) but this Forum guitar is one I feel very comfortable about, and although I understand it won't be perfect for everyone, it is gonna be a unique and wonderful instrument at what I think may end up being a really great price. It will also be the first brand-spanking new guitar I have ever bought -

But I do feel for the economic issues facing so many people. We've collectively dug ourselves quite a hole, and its going to be ugly for a while as it all gets sorted out. Unfortunately, us small fry can't expect any bailout - I think you have to have squandered alot in order to be given alot more. I've raised the down payment, but I will have some 'splainin' to do to the better half if I haven't squirreled enough away when the balance is due.

Tad


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 17, 2008, 04:39:42 PM

As for only buying a guitar you can hold and play first, well, I wish that were possible.   

  I've raised the down payment, but I will have some 'splainin' to do to the better half if I haven't squirreled enough away when the balance is due.

Tad


Tad
Regarding your first statement:  Be glad you are not a lefty like some of us.   Holding and playing a guitar first is seldom an option when most stores don't stock very many, if any, quality left-handed guitars.  We must take a leap of faith.  Sometimes it works (all my Larrivees have been above and beyond expectations) and sometimes it doesn't (a Martin D-15 just never did it for me)  I dont' have even the slightest hint that the forum III will be a disappointment in any way.  Past experience has taught me to be optimistic about this.

Regarding your second statement:   I think many of us are in that same leaky boat.   There will come a day of reckoning when the balance is due.  Hence, my referring to the forum III as the "dog house" guitar.  That's where I will more than likely be when the missus gets wind of this scheme.
At least I'll have a nice L-03MT forum III to keep me company in there; it could get lonely.

Tuffythepug



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 17, 2008, 04:55:53 PM
Well, every guitar purchase of mine has been so far, an emotional decision rather than an economic one. I'd be content with a used Godin guitar otherwise.

I hope our friends in the USA appreciate how blessed they are... everything is so affordable (relatively speaking) south of the border.

Not going to hold my breath... really it is better to be patient and wait for a guitar owner to GAS and sell cheap... get ready with your bucks & buy when you see one.
Case in point, the used OO-05 in the marketplace FS.

I sure hope... after the Forum Git III - no more brand new guitars for me (someone laugh at me  :laughin:)  Muwahahaha.... except of course a Taylor BZ/Adi maple binding

ricky

We haven't been able to afford health insurance for years, believe me, there's downsides. Then there's the recession....  Canada looks better every day,lol.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 17, 2008, 05:25:46 PM
Lynda, I have a like new Breedlove (http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=24092.0) in the F/S section. It's big on the low end (meaning nice bass responce) like a dred but it is an orchestra body. Check out the link for the video review.  :nanadance  :nana_guitar  :nanadance  :nana_guitar  :nanadance  :nana_guitar

selfish plug but
She asked for recommendations  :whistling:

 :coffee  :donut2  :donut  :donut2  :coffee  :donut2 :donut  :donut2  :coffee  :wave

Not nice! What a BEAUTIFUL guitar! I REALLY didn't need to see that. However, that being said, I live in Canada and the border would kill me.

thanks anyways though,

Lynda


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 17, 2008, 07:26:53 PM
We haven't been able to afford health insurance for years, believe me, there's downsides. Then there's the recession....  Canada looks better every day,lol.

holly

I should start counting my blessings.  Oh the proverbial, greener on the other side!

But wait, why can't we have both?   Affordable healthcare and affordable everything else? 
In my ideal world...maybe.  :winkin:

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: vates on December 17, 2008, 09:55:36 PM
Thank you for your replies!
I think I'm going to order it with PG already installed :)
I photoshoped the previous mockup even further and I actually like it ;)


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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: iDavid on December 17, 2008, 10:21:22 PM
Thank you for your replies!
I think I'm going to order it with PG already installed :)
I photoshoped the previous mockup even further and I actually like it ;)


think of that with a Hog top! :thumb


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 18, 2008, 01:10:14 AM
Message to anyone on the fence because the Forum III is a 12-fretter:  Unless you find yourself playing the 16th, 17th, and 18th frets of your acoustic...don't give it a 2nd thought!  The 12-fret design improves the tone and playability of the guitar in so many ways.

The Dog House Guitar!  Yes it is, for many of us.  For those that name their guitars around here, there could be lot's of K9 names showing up for this one.



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: flatlander on December 18, 2008, 02:17:47 AM
I LOVE my 12 fretter. Especially if you already have a good 14 fretter, go for it.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 18, 2008, 02:20:00 AM
    My 12 fret 00-09 is great, lots of fun. :guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on December 18, 2008, 05:44:34 AM
Whew! I'm a newbie to the forum and appear to have arrived at the right time to possibly jump on board for this special order...too bad the short scale thing didn't fly, that would have sealed the deal.

To the gentleman from Edmonton who went to Calgary to buy a Taylor - why? There's a few places in Edmonton that sell 'em - I used to live there and bought my first good guitar there (a Martin 000C-16RGTE, eventually sold it, just wasn't comfortable after awhile).

Might as well come clean, I've got a bit of GAS like so many others on here...my favourites are an old Larrivee L19 (circa 1981) found used in Edmonton a couple of years ago, and a '96 Taylor 814ce bought sight unseen on ebay about six years ago. They're both lefties...because I am.

Mike



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on December 18, 2008, 05:48:21 AM
Oh - one more thing - I'm looking for a guitar primarily for fingerstyle playing that has a really "woody" sound - any opinions on this in general and in particular which of the Forum III's might fit the bill best? hog/hog? hog/spruce?

Thanks, Mike


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 18, 2008, 05:51:30 AM
Whew! I'm a newbie to the forum and appear to have arrived at the right time to possibly jump on board for this special order...too bad the short scale thing didn't fly, that would have sealed the deal.

To the gentleman from Edmonton who went to Calgary to buy a Taylor - why? There's a few places in Edmonton that sell 'em - I used to live there and bought my first good guitar there (a Martin 000C-16RGTE, eventually sold it, just wasn't comfortable after awhile).

Might as well come clean, I've got a bit of GAS like so many others on here...my favourites are an old Larrivee L19 (circa 1981) found used in Edmonton a couple of years ago, and a '96 Taylor 814ce bought sight unseen on ebay about six years ago. They're both lefties...because I am.

Mike


Well this is your chance to own a brand new custom Forum III left handed git from the very town in your signature. What more do you want? 3 tonewood choices to boot....
              just sign on the dotted line............................................................
Oh - one more thing - I'm looking for a guitar primarily for fingerstyle playing that has a really "woody" sound - any opinions on this in general and in particular which of the Forum III's might fit the bill best? hog/hog? hog/spruce?

Thanks, Mike
      Either one of those will do nicely, or maybe the RW/IS.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 18, 2008, 05:55:03 AM
   I think these will be the BEST sounding Larrivees ever made. If I could I would buy one of each :guitar :guitar :guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 18, 2008, 06:17:18 AM
To the gentleman from Edmonton who went to Calgary to buy a Taylor - why? There's a few places in Edmonton that sell 'em - I used to live there and bought my first good guitar there (a Martin 000C-16RGTE, eventually sold it, just wasn't comfortable after awhile).

Mike,

Kudos to you!    Have to admire anyone who would go through nearly 60 full screens of posts on this thread alone.  I wonder if you read the first part... entitled "Orphaned Larris - What if...??? "  - which eventually led to this one.

I would be that chap from Edmonton who bought a Taylor from Calgary... Somehow the dealer 3 hours south of me had the guitar I wanted and a better deal. I didn't quite like the employees at the local dealer, but the owner seems to be a decent fellow.

If you sign up for this Forum Git III,     we're trying to make an arrangement for a local pick-up.  Though seemingly far fetched, it does not make sense for the git to travel south of the border when it's already made locally (Vancouver, BC).  Good time to put a deposit too, as our CAD is ever so slowly edging up from sub-80cents to around 83.+ cents against the USD.

Welcome aboard !!!  :donut :coffee :donut :donut2

ricky

BTW,  fingerstyle? woody sound?    I'm sure many here will echo this.... sounds like you need a hog anything...
as you are aware, the 514ce is a hog with spruce, engelmann or cedar top.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 18, 2008, 06:22:37 AM
LS body shape

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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 18, 2008, 06:37:03 AM
   I think these will be the BEST sounding Larrivees ever made. If I could I would buy one of each :guitar :guitar :guitar

I wouldn't bet against it.  They certainly have the potential to be pretty amazing.  Larrivee guitars are already a bargain in my opinion so the prospect that we may be privileged to get such a wonderfully conceived musical instrument at a very reasonable price is exciting. 

I know it could never happen but it would be so cool to get a bunch of Larrivee forum III's together at one time somehow and be able to see and play all of them.   Well, for me I guess I'd only be able to play a few lefties but that'd still be cool.  Too bad we are spread all over the world which makes it pretty much impossible to plan any kind of get-together.   Unless........hmmm...anyone up for meeting in New York to pick up our forum III's directly from Jim in the spring ?     :roll

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 18, 2008, 07:29:01 AM
Quote from: tuffythepug link=topic=24009.msg215044#msg215044 date=12295822 :?23
Unless........hmmm...anyone up for meeting in New York to pick up our forum III's directly from Jim in the spring ?     :roll

Tuffythepug


Tuffy... I've thought of having Jim fly to Vancouver and maybe a few others to visit the factory & pick up our gits and have a group picture.

Never thought of going to NY...  well, I actually did with others from Toronto... thought of driving south to pick up git.   If we can coordinate together, this is a great idea.

I just need to look for opportunities to do some work in Toronto (they call it Hog Town here... but nothing to do with tonewood) and then drive down to Jim's store.

Anyone else interested?  :?

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 18, 2008, 07:35:48 AM
OR... if we stick to Vancouver and visit Larrivee Factory... that may be more interesting?  :thumbsup

To keep your airfares low, fly to Seattle (3 hr) or Bellingham (1 hr)... really doable driving distance to the Greater Vancouver border.

The City of Vancouver is not just a beautiful (albeit rainy) city, but is always ranked in the Top 5 of most desirable cities to live in - worldwide.

Too bad, we're a year early ...   it would have been great to catch the 2010 Winter Olympics.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: iDavid on December 18, 2008, 12:12:05 PM
I'm trying to scape the funds up to get the Hog top....

I don't get why more people aren't going for the all Hog  :?

Is there something about Italian spruce that I am missing?????

david


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 18, 2008, 12:41:29 PM
I'm trying to scape the funds up to get the Hog top....

I don't get why more people aren't going for the all Hog  :?

Is there something about Italian spruce that I am missing?????

david
   Yep, it's nice. Lot's of info available about it in this thread.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mr_LV19E on December 18, 2008, 01:17:31 PM
I'm trying to scape the funds up to get the Hog top....

I don't get why more people aren't going for the all Hog  :?

Is there something about Italian spruce that I am missing?????

david

Some of us already have are share of all hog.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 18, 2008, 01:57:51 PM
Ricky,

Even though I am no longer getting a forum git, I would be more than happy to drive and/or tag along if you plan to come here. I really want to meet Jim and see his shop.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: J. Hunter on December 18, 2008, 02:52:27 PM
I'm sorry if this has already been covered in the 50+ pg.'s of discussion before this, but the measurements for the forum guitar on the "final specs" thread don't match-up exactly with the specs for the LSV-11 on the Larrivee site.  Could someone tell me (or direct me toward the relevant part of the discussion) whether the forum guitar has the same dimensions as the LSV-11, or whether it's a slightly different body?

Thanks.

James


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: bluesman67 on December 18, 2008, 02:56:10 PM
I'm trying to scape the funds up to get the Hog top....

I don't get why more people aren't going for the all Hog  :?

Is there something about Italian spruce that I am missing?????

david

If I didn't already have 2 hogtops this one would be all hog.  I will just have to settle for visiting Tuffythepug w/ my IS/RW and playing his hogtop forum III while I'm there.  The rumor (concensus and hope) is that Italian spruce is similar to adirondack.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 18, 2008, 03:05:04 PM
I'm sorry if this has already been covered in the 50+ pg.'s of discussion before this, but the measurements for the forum guitar on the "final specs" thread don't match-up exactly with the specs for the LSV-11 on the Larrivee site.  Could someone tell me (or direct me toward the relevant part of the discussion) whether the forum guitar has the same dimensions as the LSV-11, or whether it's a slightly different body?
Thanks.
James

This is not an LSV-anything. The specs voted on and requested were that an old dimension LS body steel streel be created for the forum.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 18, 2008, 03:07:35 PM
This is not an LSV-anything. The specs voted on and requested were that an old dimension LS body steel string be created for the forum.
  And we have been adamant from the beginning that the depth be 4''


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Mikeymac on December 18, 2008, 03:56:57 PM
Wow!  I've been away from the Forum for awhile, and you guys manage to put together a KILLER Forum III guitar!!!

I like ALL the specs, including the long scale neck (sorry, short-scalers!); I just think it will project better and have better bass and highs.

I'm scheming how I can order two identical guitars...a righty for my son for his high school graduation, and of course the other would be a matching lefty for me!!!   Just got to convince my wife (or squirrel away the money somehow) that this is what he needs for graduation!  I did tell him once that I wanted to build us matching Warmoth guitars for his graduation, but I like this (selfishly!) much more.  Kust gotta come up with around $500 for the downpayment. 

Ours will be all hog, righty and lefty, hold the pickguard (until later; we'll see what we think). 

I can't remember (and I confess, I haven't read through all 58 pages of posts, just skimmed...); is the order date early January? 


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 18, 2008, 04:17:32 PM
Wow!  I've been away from the Forum for awhile, and you guys manage to put together a KILLER Forum III guitar!!!

I like ALL the specs, including the long scale neck (sorry, short-scalers!); I just think it will project better and have better bass and highs.

I'm scheming how I can order two identical guitars...a righty for my son for his high school graduation, and of course the other would be a matching lefty for me!!!   Just got to convince my wife (or squirrel away the money somehow) that this is what he needs for graduation!  I did tell him once that I wanted to build us matching Warmoth guitars for his graduation, but I like this (selfishly!) much more.  Kust gotta come up with around $500 for the downpayment. 

Ours will be all hog, righty and lefty, hold the pickguard (until later; we'll see what we think). 

I can't remember (and I confess, I haven't read through all 58 pages of posts, just skimmed...); is the order date early January? 

Mikeymac
welcome back !    Get your order in before Jan 2.   Yours will make the 2nd lefty all hog so far.
Don't miss out on this one.  You can always do the Warmoth thing.

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 18, 2008, 04:18:57 PM
If I didn't already have 2 hogtops this one would be all hog.  I will just have to settle for visiting Tuffythepug w/ my IS/RW and playing his hogtop forum III while I'm there.  The rumor (concensus and hope) is that Italian spruce is similar to adirondack.

Bluesman67
when shall I throw out the welcome mat ?      :cheers

Tuttythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: J. Hunter on December 18, 2008, 04:21:38 PM
This is not an LSV-anything. The specs voted on and requested were that an old dimension LS body steel streel be created for the forum.

Ahh!  Thanks folks.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Chasjax on December 18, 2008, 04:42:12 PM
Re: body size

To James regarding body size - look up several pages to about Dec. 16 where I asked the same question.  Ben responded saying the dimensions are based on the ORIGINAL LS - which is smaller than the specs in the current catalog.  I was concerned about the 4" depth also.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: J. Hunter on December 18, 2008, 04:50:26 PM
Re: body size

To James regarding body size - look up several pages to about Dec. 16 where I asked the same question.  Ben responded saying the dimensions are based on the ORIGINAL LS - which is smaller than the specs in the current catalog.  I was concerned about the 4" depth also.

Thanks Chasjax.  That's helpful.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 18, 2008, 06:48:29 PM
    Heh Denis congrats on the Forum III Hog/IS order
                              http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=24132.msg215115#msg215115
                                                   Wood choice:  Mahogany/Italian Spruce
                                                             Name:  Denis Turbide
     Nice choice, I didn't think you would miss this one. I hope Blue can find a way to get in on this also.



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Blue in VT on December 18, 2008, 06:51:24 PM
 :wave

thanks for the thought Danny...but not going to happen for Blue.... :crying:

looking fwd to living vicariously through ya'll

(really...really) Blue in VT... :angry:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on December 18, 2008, 07:22:26 PM
Mike,

Kudos to you!    Have to admire anyone who would go through nearly 60 full screens of posts on this thread alone.  I wonder if you read the first part... entitled "Orphaned Larris - What if...??? "  - which eventually led to this one.

If you sign up for this Forum Git III,     we're trying to make an arrangement for a local pick-up.  Though seemingly far fetched, it does not make sense for the git to travel south of the border when it's already made locally (Vancouver, BC).  Good time to put a deposit too, as our CAD is ever so slowly edging up from sub-80cents to around 83.+ cents against the USD.

Welcome aboard !!!  :donut :coffee :donut :donut2

ricky


BTW,  fingerstyle? woody sound?    I'm sure many here will echo this.... sounds like you need a hog anything...
as you are aware, the 514ce is a hog with spruce, engelmann or cedar top.


Thanks, Ricky. I was wondering whether they'd build the guitars in Vancouver or California. If they're building them here, with all due respect to Jim, it certainly doesn't make environmental or practical sense to ship them all the way to New York state and back again, crossing the border twice and adding shipping/customs hassles to the cost for Canadian punters, and there appears to be at least a few of us.

I've considered a 512ce, I think the shorter depth and the short scale would be great, but of course as a lefty I can't just pop down to the local and try one out, although the Vancouver Long & McQuade had a lefty 312ce a few months ago that sounded pretty good.

Haven't checked out the "Orphaned Larris" thread yet but I certainly will. And I can't claim to have read ALL 60 pages of this thread - I wouldn't have time to PLAY then heh heh.

Cheers, Mike



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: flatlander on December 18, 2008, 07:45:36 PM
Vancouver


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: es-335 on December 18, 2008, 08:09:28 PM
Me thinks that people who live in vancouver.. should be able to pick it up in person........

But I guess  I don't make the decision :)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: prof_stack on December 18, 2008, 08:28:07 PM
It would be very convenient to pick them up in Vancouver for some, but Jim H is going to set them up and install a bone saddle, and I think throw in a gift of some kind, maybe.  He is "brokering" the deal, much like Jason @ Notable did on the first forum guitar.

FWIW, I'm leaning towards ordering one with Italian spruce top and rosewood sides/back, and have the pickguard NOT installed.  My gut feeling is that those woods will be killer combination along with the 12-fret design.

I had four hog Larry's and they're gone, so rosewood is next up for me.  Martin does mahogany extremely well on the D-18GE I currently play. 


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 18, 2008, 08:46:21 PM
It would be very convenient to pick them up in Vancouver for some, but Jim H is going to set them up and install a bone saddle, and I think throw in a gift of some kind, maybe.  He is "brokering" the deal, much like Jason @ Notable did on the first forum guitar.

FWIW, I'm leaning towards ordering one with Italian spruce top and rosewood sides/back, and have the pickguard NOT installed.  My gut feeling is that those woods will be killer combination along with the 12-fret design.

I had four hog Larry's and they're gone, so rosewood is next up for me.  Martin does mahogany extremely well on the D-18GE I currently play. 
I also was leaning RW/IS but the true hog/IS just seemed too good to pass on. Though the RW/IS may have the best true "LARRIVEE" tone of them all.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 18, 2008, 11:19:13 PM
It would be very convenient to pick them up in Vancouver for some, but Jim H is going to set them up and install a bone saddle, and I think throw in a gift of some kind, maybe.  He is "brokering" the deal, much like Jason @ Notable did on the first forum guitar.

Have to say that while that is very nice of Jim, it still means that the Canadian made guitars are gonna go over the border to the US and then the Canadians are gonna have to pay tax if not duty to get them.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 18, 2008, 11:47:10 PM
Have to say that while that is very nice of Jim, it still means that the Canadian made guitars are gonna go over the border to the US and then the Canadians are gonna have to pay tax if not duty to get them.

Canadians will only pay (1) the GST, (2) PST except Alberta and (3) Shipping Charges & Customs Brokerage fee - usually totals 160. CAD

Since the guitars are Made in Vancouver...  they are covered under NAFTA, so no extra duty costs.   You may already know this.


While it's sweet to think, I can just go to Cordoba Street in Vancouver, knock on the door and ask for my guitar,  there's still that complication that I must pay the GST
through some store, which will then remit it to the Canadian govt.

There's no getting around Taxes.

But, one has to weigh item #3 above... pay the Shipping & Brokerage fees  TO BENEFIT FROM     (1) Jim's set-up, (2) bone saddle upgrade & (3) surprise gift.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 18, 2008, 11:53:57 PM
Canadians will only pay (1) the GST, (2) PST except Alberta and (3) Shipping Charges & Customs Brokerage fee - usually totals 160. CAD

Since the guitars are Made in Vancouver...  they are covered under NAFTA, so no extra duty costs.   You may already know this.


While it's sweet to think, I can just go to Cordoba Street in Vancouver, knock on the door and ask for my guitar,  there's still that complication that I must pay the GST
through some store, which will then remit it to the Canadian govt.

There's no getting around Taxes.

But, one has to weigh item #3 above... pay the Shipping & Brokerage fees  TO BENEFIT FROM     (1) Jim's set-up, (2) bone saddle upgrade & (3) surprise gift.

ricky

+ $160 = what has now become an expensive guitar.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Vancouver Southpaw on December 18, 2008, 11:58:05 PM
Canadians will only pay (1) the GST, (2) PST except Alberta and (3) Shipping Charges & Customs Brokerage fee - usually totals 160. CAD

Since the guitars are Made in Vancouver...  they are covered under NAFTA, so no extra duty costs.   You may already know this.


While it's sweet to think, I can just go to Cordoba Street in Vancouver, knock on the door and ask for my guitar,  there's still that complication that I must pay the GST
through some store, which will then remit it to the Canadian govt.

There's no getting around Taxes.

But, one has to weigh item #3 above... pay the Shipping & Brokerage fees  TO BENEFIT FROM     (1) Jim's set-up, (2) bone saddle upgrade & (3) surprise gift.

ricky


Taxes alone in BC would be almost $160 based on an approximate value of CA$1300, which will depend on what the exchange rate is the day the paperwork hits the border.

Then you've got shipping and brokerage fees, makes it substantially more expensive.

Hell, I could practically walk over to Cordova St. from my place and pick up the guitar!

Mike


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 19, 2008, 12:03:02 AM
No offense, but if you are already paying let's say $1200 (I can't recall the exact price) another $160 isn't much more and under $1500 not really an expensive guitar. It may be to much for some of us to afford, but it is still very reasonable given the appointments. I guess I just don't see a huge jump from $1200 to $1360.

I don't like paying taxes either, but given they fund a standard of living, including, I beleive, Universal Health Care, I don't get the big deal. I'm not trying to knock you, I'm just offering some perspective because it sounds like you are getting frustrated.



holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 19, 2008, 12:05:24 AM
Holly,

You're not factoring in the fact that our dollar is worth .82 at close today. That's where it's getting expensive is all.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 19, 2008, 12:08:30 AM
Breaking News !!!

Here's a direct quote from Jim Holler's email to me and Randy this morning.  As of late this afternoon, early evening in the East coast, these 2 additional options
for an extra cost are now officially available.

"Larrivee has offered a cut a way $300 and herring bone purfling $150.  they are impressed with the numbers and felt that they could offer more options."


If you wish to have only ONE or BOTH these options:

Please modify your orders in the Order Thread and Randy will modify the locked Forum Git III Specs thread.

If you do NOT want these options, then leave your order AS IS.


REPEAT... these 2 items are OPTIONAL (NOT everyone has to have them...)

These options will give an opportunity for those who HELD BACK (i.e. have not committed until now) because there was no cutaway option originally...
but cutaway & H-bone purfling now available OPTIONS for the above additional costs.

Warmly,

ricky  :nana_guitar


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 19, 2008, 12:09:03 AM
I understand, but it is what it is, you know? If it makes you feel any better we have a President that many of us would have been thrilled to chuck a couple shoes at, no health care (my meds alone cost $250 a month) plus we don't have those little maple sugar people candies. Perhaps the biggest travesty of all.

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 19, 2008, 12:09:20 AM
Sweet!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 19, 2008, 12:10:41 AM
I understand, but it is what it is, you know? If it makes you feel any better we have a President that many of us would have been thrilled to chuck a couple shoes at, no health care (my meds alone cost $250 a month) plus we don't have those little maple sugar people candies. Perhaps the biggest travesty of all.

holly

I totally understand. I have many friends in the US who feel just like you do.

However, if you would like, and yes, I'm serious... PM me your snail mail addy and I will be happy to send you some maple syrup candies.

Lynda


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 19, 2008, 12:12:19 AM

Taxes alone in BC would be almost $160 based on an approximate value of CA$1300, which will depend on what the exchange rate is the day the paperwork hits the border.

Then you've got shipping and brokerage fees, makes it substantially more expensive.

Hell, I could practically walk over to Cordova St. from my place and pick up the guitar!

Mike

I hear you Mike..... I can drive to Vancouver & do a local pick-up.... Let's see. Who knows? Something may still be worked out.   ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 19, 2008, 12:12:27 AM
I'd love to try a cutaway but since I'm not familar with the body size at all, that's a huge $$$ jump. Anyone care to weigh in on this?

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 19, 2008, 12:15:03 AM

no health care (my meds alone cost $250 a month)
holly

Ouch!   holly, i must confess i've been holding out on my deposit... as the cost is prohibitive (only because of the stinking CAD exchange rate; otherwise, this is a great deal in USD).  now with your perspective, we really have nothing to complain about.  ricky

MODIFIED... see comments in parenthesis


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 19, 2008, 12:18:53 AM
I'd love to try a cutaway but since I'm not familar with the body size at all, that's a huge $$$ jump. Anyone care to weigh in on this?

I tried to negotiate with Jim... from a luthier's standpoint, a cutaway apparently is labor intensive.  Hence the 300 price hike.

I don't go beyond the 12 fret... but the cutaway looks cool and maybe useful to a player who needs to get that far.

Also, I like the H-bone purfling.


So as much as this pushes the PRICE even higher... I may just make the irrational emotional decision (as with all my guitar purchases) to order

the Forum Git III (rosewood) fully loaded with the works !!!

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 19, 2008, 12:20:29 AM
Ouch!   holly, i must confess i've been holding out on my deposit... as the cost is prohibitive.  now with your perspective, we really have nothing to complain about.  ricky

You would if I was off the meds....

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: lyric_girl on December 19, 2008, 12:21:34 AM
I tried to negotiate with Jim... from a luthier's standpoint, a cutaway apparently is labor intensive.  Hence the 300 price hike.

I don't go beyond the 12 fret... but the cutaway looks cool and maybe useful to a player who needs to get that far.

Also, I like the H-bone purfling.


So as much as this pushes the PRICE even higher... I may just make the irrational emotional decision (as with all my guitar purchases) to order

the Forum Git III (rosewood) fully loaded with the works !!!

ricky

Ricky,

Have I told you that I think you have lost your mind yet? However, the herringbone perfling and the cutaway would be SO kewl!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 19, 2008, 12:22:46 AM
 The cost for either side of the fence is a deal. And besides this is not an ordinary guitar. WE who are proceeding are happy with it and appreciate Jim Holler stepping up and moving quickly and efficiently on this.
   In pure economic terms this is a great deal for a great guitar. I don't see why anyone would want to rain on the parade.
                                  This is a good thing :thumbsup Don't you agree? There is no need to try and find something negative on this opportunity. We have been given 3 choices of tonewood, we chose by consensus an out of production guitar, we get JCL to sign the special label and we get to have a very rare 12 fret LS model. And having a responsible dealer who is also involved in the forum family carrying out the heavy lifting for us is something we are thankful for.
                       I do not see any rain clouds on this deal. It came to pass faster than anyone who's been around the forum for long could believe. Some have said so and I have no doubt myself that anyone observing this from the start never would have believed we could be here RIGHT NOW. At least 3 more were ordered today alone. The last time I checked. Forum members know this is a deal and something not to missed if it can be worked out.
                      Things like a rosette being not the one a member chose are really minor. And any and every other small item that seems to grow larger if "fed" really are just small trivial items that won't be remembered in April when we all recieve this cool guitar. Actualy many small items that tried to derail us have been buried 20,30, or 40 pages back and most were dealt with before we ever started this particular thread.
   I think 7 or 8 posts were made before I could put this out there, including Ricky's announcement.... It just get's better :thumbsup                                        Danny


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 19, 2008, 12:23:37 AM
Ricky,

Have I told you that I think you have lost your mind yet? However, the herringbone perfling and the cutaway would be SO kewl!

 :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko: :wacko:

what?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 19, 2008, 12:25:28 AM
Breaking News !!!

Here's a direct quote from Jim Holler's email to me and Randy this morning.  As of late this afternoon, early evening in the East coast, these 2 additional options
for an extra cost are now officially available.

"Larrivee has offered a cut a way $300 and herring bone purfling $150.  they are impressed with the numbers and felt that they could offer more options."


If you wish to have only ONE or BOTH these options:

Please modify your orders in the Order Thread and Randy will modify the locked Forum Git III Specs thread.

If you do NOT want these options, then leave your order AS IS.


REPEAT... these 2 items are OPTIONAL (NOT everyone has to have them...)

These options will give an opportunity for those who HELD BACK (i.e. have not committed until now) because there was no cutaway option originally...
but cutaway & H-bone purfling now available OPTIONS for the above additional costs.

Warmly,

ricky  :nana_guitar


That is good news.  I don't care about the cutaway but I did just modify my order on the forum III order thread to include the Herringbone Purfling.    It will look so much better with both the rosette and the purfling being herringbone.

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 19, 2008, 12:26:53 AM
Does anyone have a pic of herringbone purfling? Purfling, I love that word. I can see it looking awesome on a MT.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tadol on December 19, 2008, 12:28:10 AM
WOW!  Options!!   This is GREAT -

For those worrying about cost - compare to an OMV-03R, add in cost for bone nut/saddle,  figure the value ( to you ) of custom herringbone and special italian spruce top, then add the potential of whether you would ever get this Larrivee ever again.

This is getting to be a hard call on how to put this one together - We need some of you photoshop experts to start throwing a few pics together!!

Oh - and I just dropped the price on my OMV-10K and LSV-11 because I really think I wanna get two of these -

Tad


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 19, 2008, 12:31:57 AM
WOW!  Options!!   This is GREAT -

For those worrying about cost - compare to an OMV-03R, add in cost for bone nut/saddle,  figure the value ( to you ) of custom herringbone and special italian spruce top, then add the potential of whether you would ever get this Larrivee ever again.

This is getting to be a hard call on how to put this one together - We need some of you photoshop experts to start throwing a few pics together!!

Oh - and I just dropped the price on my OMV-10K and LSV-11 because I really think I wanna get two of these -

Tad

Go Tad... you're such an enabler !!!  ricky    

(I'll do my research and compare. BTW, the discussion among Canadians is about the terrible exchange rate...
not about the sweet deal that is the Forum Git III... now with more options!!!   Yey !!! )


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 19, 2008, 12:34:28 AM
I thought you had to pay the tax, in any case?

Just the GST 5% and
if applicable provincial tax (non for Alberta... which is where I live  :smile:)

Thanks to NAFTA... no duty fees.

But.... if Jim can give us Canucks the same sweet deal of free shipping,.. that would save us another 80CAD.

ricky


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: GeeNorm on December 19, 2008, 12:35:22 AM
I couldn't resist going for the thematic look of herringbone purfling to match the rosette.

It gets even more specialer and personal!

Reminds me of Jerry Maguire, "you had me at the Italian Spruce."

Norman


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 19, 2008, 12:45:45 AM
Does anyone have a pic of herringbone purfling? Purfling, I love that word. I can see it looking awesome on a MT.

Here ya go Holly



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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Trinity Guitars on December 19, 2008, 12:55:19 AM
Hi. PLEASE make sure you let me know directly also if you are midifing your order for the guitar. I want to make sure I get them all made the way you want them.
Thanks Jim Holler :nice guitar: all of them.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: strawintogold on December 19, 2008, 12:59:03 AM
Thanks Tuffy, I'm wondering if the herringbone would sort of get lost next to the IS?

holly


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: rpm60912 on December 19, 2008, 01:26:04 AM
Randy... I'm not sure the clear pickguard is official.

If I remember my emails correctly, Jim is still working on this!

You may want to delete your latest post re: clear PG... until we know for sure... perhaps by tomorrow?

ricky  :smile:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 19, 2008, 01:32:06 AM
Thanks Tuffy, I'm wondering if the herringbone would sort of get lost next to the IS?

holly

Holly
If anything it would stand out even more against the very light color of the IS.    several pages ago I posted a pic of a Santa Cruz forum guitar which was a 00 size with Italian spruce top and herringbone purfling and rosette.   It looks real good that way.  Of course, I kinda like the look with mahogany too.
Maybe I should post that SC picture again. ?

Tuffythepug


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: naboz on December 19, 2008, 01:36:26 AM
Will you people stop this thread!  Every time I turn around, there are more posts!  :arrow  This may stay active longer than some of the daytime soaps...and now I'm addicted!
 :nice guitar:


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: L-fan on December 19, 2008, 01:40:46 AM
Here's a few low-quality quick snaps of my Herringbone'd -03 guitar.  For myself, I am sticking with only soundhole herringbone - a little herringbone can go a long way, and also I've seen some nice Martins that only had it on the soundhole, and I thought it looked great.  I do love herringbone, though.





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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 19, 2008, 01:41:49 AM
Will you people stop this thread!  Every time I turn around, there are more posts!  :arrow  This may stay active longer than some of the daytime soaps...and now I'm addicted!
 :nice guitar:
 We just passed 1200 posts and we had more in the prelude thread. Setting records.



 OH YEA, I''M GETTING THE H-BONE ON MY HOG/IS  :guitar BUT I WANT A HOG/MT WITH IT TOO :?


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: L-fan on December 19, 2008, 01:42:23 AM
Two more...

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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: prof_stack on December 19, 2008, 02:08:57 AM
Wow, a cutaway option!  So, does anyone have a picture of an LS with cutaway?  Would the LSV-11 be close enough? 

Any idea how would the cutaway affect the sound? 

Thanks rpm and Jim for all the efforts so far!  (I love the BREAKING NEWS banners.)


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 19, 2008, 02:25:20 AM
Wow, a cutaway option!  So, does anyone have a picture of an LS with cutaway?  Would the LSV-11 be close enough? 

Any idea how would the cutaway affect the sound? 

Thanks rpm and Jim for all the efforts so far!  (I love the BREAKING NEWS banners.)
On the spec, thread it says FLORINTINE so it would be like a CS not like an LSV-11


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 19, 2008, 02:35:58 AM
editted. Forum guitar option will be a soft cutaway vebetian style.


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 19, 2008, 02:39:49 AM
  Here's a CS-05

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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: L-fan on December 19, 2008, 02:41:31 AM
Wow, that makes me think hard about the cutaway, now that it's a Florentine.  Argh!   :arrow   :drool:



Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Randy_R on December 19, 2008, 02:42:50 AM
I've updated the roll-up and specs at: http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=24123.0

New totals: 12 rw/IS, 16 MH/IS, 4 Hog/Hog total 32 orders


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: Danny on December 19, 2008, 02:45:08 AM
I've updated the roll-up and specs at: http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=24123.0

New totals: 12 rw/IS, 16 MH/IS, 4 Hog/Hog total 32 orders
WOW 32


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: prof_stack on December 19, 2008, 02:55:53 AM
Wow, that makes me think hard about the cutaway, now that it's a Florentine.  Argh!   :arrow   :drool:

I was hoping for the softer V cutaway.  No way will I go with Florentine.  So perhaps it will be herringbone all around.

Thanks Randy for posting the spec's.  Do you know what the overall length will be?  Thanks!


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 19, 2008, 03:04:53 AM
For Holly

I was wrong about the Santa Cruz forum guitar.   It has herringbone purfling but not herringbone rosette.    Anyway here's what you wanted to know.  This is how it looks with an Italian Spruce top.



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Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 19, 2008, 03:13:18 AM
Hi. PLEASE make sure you let me know directly also if you are midifing your order for the guitar. I want to make sure I get them all made the way you want them.
Thanks Jim Holler :nice guitar: all of them.


Jim
I sent you a PM with my change.  Add the purfling please. 
Thanks


Title: Re: Forum Guitar discussion
Post by: tuffythepug on December 19, 2008, 03:22:11 AM
It's shap