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Title: $20k guitar
Post by: JohnM2001 on November 26, 2008, 08:36:26 PM
And i thought an Olson at $12k was expensive :wink:

I guess this one is a bit fancier  :drool:  I like his spanky reply to questions too!  See auction here (http://cgi.ebay.com/Brand-New-Huss-and-Dalton-Brazilian-OM_W0QQitemZ150299291055QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item150299291055&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1205%7C66%3A2%7C65%3A12%7C39%3A1%7C240%3A1318)

(http://i13.ebayimg.com/06/i/001/1a/69/f27b_12.JPG)


Title: Re: $20k guitar
Post by: Walkerman on November 26, 2008, 09:07:24 PM
20K for stump wood...I don't thinlk so.


Title: Re: $20k guitar
Post by: Randy_R on November 26, 2008, 09:34:47 PM
If I had $20K pocket change left after spending my Fannie Mae CEO bonus in the Bahamas, I might might pick it up.....

 :tongue:

Fred is a straight guy, btw.


Title: Re: $20k guitar
Post by: jeremy3220 on November 26, 2008, 11:17:32 PM
It must be the inlay because you can get a new Santa Cruz with braz for 8k. I'm surprised they're asking this much. Individual luthier built guitars can command over 25K but I didn't think H&D could sell one for that much.


Title: Re: $20k guitar
Post by: rpm60912 on November 27, 2008, 01:23:42 AM
I'd buy this if I can play like James Taylor (and have his bank account too)  :humour: ricky


Title: Re: $20k guitar
Post by: Nort on November 27, 2008, 02:06:55 AM
I've seen this guitar at his shop,
it's a beautiful guitar, however you're paying quantum $$$$$
for lot's of bling,  does'nt make it sound any better.
That being said, 
to each his own, if you like lot's of bling and have the bucks
Go For It.


Title: Re: $20k guitar
Post by: bigmo on November 27, 2008, 03:48:26 AM
AAAA Braz?  I don't think flat-sawn stumpwood can be rated as such.  Would i take it? Sure, but I'd rather have (4) $5000 Goodalls in a heartbeat! I played a dozen high end guitars Monday at Madison Music in Madison, WI and none of the H&Ds were as nice as the Goodalls. 20k - Nah.


Title: Re: $20k guitar
Post by: jeremy3220 on November 27, 2008, 04:52:49 AM
AAAA Braz?  I don't think flat-sawn stumpwood can be rated as such. 

Absolutely, there's no question that set would get a high grade. It's got lots of figuring including those flame type streaks in the lower bout but I think the main reason it would be considered a premium set is the green streaking.

Not as cool as this one though.
(http://www.traugottguitars.com/wood/images/r-brazilian-rose-stump-14-lg.jpg)



Title: Re: $20k guitar
Post by: bigmo on November 27, 2008, 12:54:23 PM
Absolutely, there's no question that set would get a high grade. It's got lots of figuring including those flame type streaks in the lower bout but I think the main reason it would be considered a premium set is the green streaking.

Not as cool as this one though.
(http://www.traugottguitars.com/wood/images/r-brazilian-rose-stump-14-lg.jpg)



If you say so, but I would take this old growth, quarter sawn Brazilian over the "pretty" stumpwood in a heartbeat!

(http://www.dreamguitars.com/images/sexauer/sexauer_jb16_dream6_1620408/back.jpg)


Title: Re: $20k guitar
Post by: teh on November 27, 2008, 01:55:25 PM
It's all about packaging. People are willing to pay $5 for a $2 cup of joe at Starbucks and $50,000 for an alleged SUV when they can buy one for $20,000 less.


Title: Re: $20k guitar
Post by: hadden on November 27, 2008, 02:32:44 PM
Isn't flatsawn more unstable?

I suppose if the general market of highend guitars was up there in this range the way it is for classical violins and so on the price would make some kind of objective sense, but who would buy this knowing what is out there for tons less? I guess that's the point, fishing for the the uninformed.


Title: Re: $20k guitar
Post by: Randy_R on November 27, 2008, 02:35:28 PM
I think the major draw for this guitar is the fact that the buyer will have a unique instrument. You will never see another exactly like it. Whether the tone lives up to the uniqueness would remain to be determined. Nort, did you get a chance to play it?


Title: Re: $20k guitar
Post by: jeremy3220 on November 27, 2008, 03:25:05 PM
Isn't flatsawn more unstable?


Yeh but it probably won't make a difference like all the brazilian rosewood and quilted maple Larrivee's that are flatsawn.


Title: Re: $20k guitar
Post by: DJ in FL on November 27, 2008, 04:04:49 PM
At that price does it act like a PLAYER PIANO and play itself? :?

Can you imagine how you would feel the first time you sat it down by your stand/table and it slips, falls, DENTS????  The worry something would happen to it would drive me not to play it.
I guess that is what we call a collector?  Not us mear mortals who work for a living.
Beautiful for sure!


Title: Re: $20k guitar
Post by: Randy_R on November 27, 2008, 04:25:03 PM
There are a few articles I've read that suggest that flatsawn is not necessarily weaker than quartersawn.

here's one:  http://www.liutaiomottola.com/myth/quartersawn.htm

Larrivee has made quite a few guitars out of flatsawn wood of several species, and I haven't noticed any more complaints about warranty problems with them, than with quarter sawn instruments. I have a couple flatsawn back/side Larrivee guitars that are ok after 10+ years.



Title: Re: $20k guitar
Post by: strawintogold on November 27, 2008, 04:50:13 PM
I can't beleive I'm saying this but I think the guitar is well, ugly.  Running away........

Now, anyone see the article in Fretboard Journal about CITES? WOW, you see those guitars and understand. Understanding aside, I think there's a price point where it becomes a bit ridiculous.

holly


Title: Re: $20k guitar
Post by: bscur on November 27, 2008, 05:45:53 PM
It's a nice looking guitar, but I agree there is a point of diminishing return on tone. I might buy a painting instead for a piece of art, although I like guitars as art as well. If I was selling a guitar for 20k I think I'd put new strings on it. The grubby old ones stick out to me. Is Brazilian Rosewood the priciest tonewood or is there something else that is used so sparingly that the common fan of guitars wouldn't know about?


Title: Re: $20k guitar
Post by: strawintogold on November 27, 2008, 06:16:09 PM
Why does it look so much nicer in the hanging on the wall pic? Is the sitting in the chair pic more accurate because those colors just make me queasy.

I question the price given the maker. Not that H&D isn't awesome, in fact I plan on going there someday and having a guitar made. You know, when the government's plan to save the economy starts working *snort*. My point being that if it were a Martin, for example, would the price seem less extravagant?  Well,as less as $20,000 for any guitar can be. My observation is that in the world of ridiculously 'high end' guitars it's all about name recognition.

I saw a black walnut H&D that was amazing, just amazing, around $6000, I think.

holly


Title: Re: $20k guitar
Post by: jeremy3220 on November 27, 2008, 07:26:08 PM
Is Brazilian Rosewood the priciest tonewood or is there something else that is used so sparingly that the common fan of guitars wouldn't know about?

African Blackwood is pretty expensive but I think premium braz is still the most expensive.

Why does it look so much nicer in the hanging on the wall pic? Is the sitting in the chair pic more accurate because those colors just make me queasy.

I question the price given the maker. Not that H&D isn't awesome, in fact I plan on going there someday and having a guitar made. You know, when the government's plan to save the economy starts working *snort*. My point being that if it were a Martin, for example, would the price seem less extravagant?  Well,as less as $20,000 for any guitar can be. My observation is that in the world of ridiculously 'high end' guitars it's all about name recognition.


The difference in pics is due to the lighting, it makes a big difference in darker woods.

It would seem less exravagant if it was a builder who's average guitar sells for that much. One thing to keep in mind, it's the consumer that sets the prices when it comes to high end guitars, maybe not the H&D but individual luthiers. It doesn't make since to sell your guitars for 6K when people are selling them used for 8K.


Title: Re: $20k guitar
Post by: Zohn on December 02, 2008, 09:07:34 AM
My point being that if it were a Martin, for example, would the price seem less extravagant?  Well,as less as $20,000 for any guitar can be. My observation is that in the world of ridiculously 'high end' guitars it's all about name recognition.

I saw a black walnut H&D that was amazing, just amazing, around $6000, I think.

holly
Holly, You have it spot on - the "gear junkies" buy them. Collings Braz models are also very sought after.  :? beats me. I have my sights on H&D too, specifically the 00-SP.


Title: Re: $20k guitar
Post by: flatlander on December 02, 2008, 03:02:19 PM
Absolutely, there's no question that set would get a high grade. It's got lots of figuring including those flame type streaks in the lower bout but I think the main reason it would be considered a premium set is the green streaking.
In respect to streaking, my friend who builds guitars has one with vivid greenish streaks on the back. He gets most of his wood himself. I can't remember exactly what the deal was but one way or another there was metal that was "sucked up" into the tree. It was a box of nails buried near the roots, or in the tree, or bullets, I can't remember but that metal was pulled up over 50 years and put incredible streaks in the wood. So if you have a little time, bury a box of pennies under a smaller tree, and sit back for a minute.