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Title: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: jeremy3220 on December 03, 2007, 02:19:35 AM
Many people want to know what the differences between the different series are (03,05,09,50,etc). They mainly want to know if it's only appearance or are there construction differences. This hopefully will be a FAQ thread comparing the objective differences between the different Larrivee series.
 


Features:
03:
All Solid wood Construction, Single Piece Mahogany Neck, Canadian Sitka Spruce Sound Board & Bracing, African Ebony Fretboard & Bridge, Canadian Maple Body Binding, Symmetrical Parabolic X-Bracing, Hand fit Dovetail Neck Joint, Rounded Larrivee Headstock, White Inlaid Larrivee Logo, Multi-Strip Inlaid Rosette, Ping Tuners w/ 18:1 Ratio, Ivoroid Fretboard Binding, Exclusive Beveled Tortis pickguard, Microdot Fretboard Markers, Cleartone Strings, Limited Lifetime warranty.

05/09: Differences from 03's in red:
All Solid wood Construction, Single Piece Mahogany Neck, Canadian Sitka Spruce Sound Board & Bracing, African Ebony Fretboard & Bridge, Canadian Maple Multi-Strip Body Binding, Symmetrical Parabolic X-Bracing, Hand fit Dovetail Neck Joint, Abalone Rosette, Pearl Logo w/ Sterling Silver Border, Ping Tuners w/ Black Knobs (18:1 Ratio), Ivoroid Fretboard Binding, Larrivee Custom Beveled Pickguard, Microdot Fretboard Markers, Limited Lifetime warranty, Arch-top Case.

10: Differences from 05/09's in green:
All Solid Mastergrade wood Construction, Single Piece Mahogany Neck, Canadian Sitka Spruce Sound Board & Bracing, African Ebony Fretboard & Bridge, Indian Rosewood Multi-Strip Body Binding, Symmetrical Parabolic X-Bracing, Hand fit Dovetail Neck Joint, Abalone Rosette & Top Purfling, Pearl Logo w/ Sterling Silver Border, Ping Tuners w/ Black Knobs (18:1 Ratio), Ivoroid Fretboard Binding, Larrivee Custom Beveled Pickguard, Deluxe Fretboard & Bridge Wing Inlays, Limited Lifetime warranty, Arch-top Case.

50/60: Unique features in Maroon:
All Solid wood Construction, Single Piece Mahogany Neck, Canadian Sitka Spruce Sound Board & Bracing, African Ebony Fretboard & Bridge, Canadian Maple Binding w/ Herringbone, Shifted Symmetrical Parabolic X-Bracing, Hand fit Dovetail Neck Joint, Enlarged Soundhole w/ Herringbone Rosette, Flat Top Headstock w/ Pearl Logo & Volute, Custom Milled Open Back Tuners, Ivoroid Fretboard Binding, Larrivee Custom Beveled Pickguard, Mother of Pearl Diamond Fretboard Markers, Traditional Angled Bone Nut, Limited Lifetime Warranty, Arch-top Case.


Specs are the same for comparative body sizes except for:
03=Satin Finish Neck and Body. Tusq Nut and Saddle by Graphtech.
05/09/10/50/60= Gloss UV Finish Body/ Satin Finish Neck. Custom Precision Compensated Bone Saddle

In summary:

The listed differences that may affect tone are: Saddle & nut material, Finish type, Inlay material, Wood grade*.
The traditional series features that may affect tone: shifted X brace, enlarged sound hole and tuners.

*Larrivee only partially says this but it's generally accepted that, the higher the series - the higher the wood grade; in theory the 05/09 series gets a higher grade than 03's, and 10's get a higher grade than 05/09's,etc. Wood grade's affect on tone is debatable, so it may or may not make a difference in tone across the different series.

Playability: Should be the same for comparative body sizes since the playability related features are the same across the different series in regular production models. Example: the L-03R and L-10 have the same scale length, fretboard radius, nut width, neck profile, etc.

I'm not aware of any physical differences that Larrivee does not list between the different series(example: brace thickness, top radius ,etc).

There are many opinions on whether the higher series are better than the lower series. This thread's purpose is only to highlight the known differences between them. If anyone knows of other construction differences between series, feel free to post them.



Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: Steve on December 04, 2007, 12:42:32 AM
This features chart should be helpful.  I'll move this topic to the Tech FAQ board.  :thumbsup

(http://larriveeforum.com/misc/pics/features.jpg)


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: flatlander on December 04, 2007, 06:20:24 AM
Wouldn't you want to include the different types of wood used for back and sides on the different models? Just saying they all have all solid wood constuction doesn't address what kind of solid wood it is, and the differences.


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: Matteo on December 04, 2007, 09:29:53 AM
Wouldn't you want to include the different types of wood used for back and sides on the different models? Just saying they all have all solid wood constuction doesn't address what kind of solid wood it is, and the differences.

Right, the woods for back and sides are:

03 - Sapele
03R - Rosewood
05, 50 - Mahogany
09, 60 - Rosewood
10 - Mastergrade Rosewood

I'm not a wood expert, but in my opinion the quality of a guitar's sound is mostly influenced by the soundboard; back and sides have actually a minor influence, but this doesn't mean that it's imperceptible. I have a D09, i.e. Rosewood, and I love it, but I never played other Larrivee's, so I can't say if this is definitely my favourite wood. Many people prefer Mahogany or even Sapele, and that's the point: it's a personal feeling... If you meet a few italian guys and ask them: "What's your favourite pasta dish?", every one of them will give a different answer: carbonara, amatriciana, pesto, lasagne, ravioli, ... well the same for wood, except you don't eat it!!! :smile:


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: bjstrings on December 04, 2007, 09:57:36 AM
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10 - Mastergrade Rosewood

Like i said above, there's no point in publishing stuff like this (or posting it) if its wrong.  I have a 10 series w/ mahogany back & sides. Therefore, the 10 series is not always rosewood back & sides.  I've seen 10 series that are bubinga, mahogany, rosewood, maple, koa, and ziricote.  The only thing I haven't seen is walnut, there's probably been sopme those made as well.  So, let's try to get it right or not bother to just repeat what can be found just as easily on the Larrivee web site.  :?


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: jeremy3220 on February 18, 2008, 03:51:14 PM
*Update

It looks like all models will be going to Tusq saddles.

Also I think the 05 and up series will get Schaller tuners while the 03's still get Pings.


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: rpm60912 on November 20, 2008, 10:27:22 PM
Jeremy, I'm really new to the Larrivee world. Still waiting for my first to arrive - but Canada Post is taking its own sweet time for delivery  :crying:

The info you posted is quite helpful & educational ==> will enrich my appreciation of Larris.

ricky  :winkin: Thanks again!


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: jeremy3220 on November 20, 2008, 11:32:14 PM
Jeremy, I'm really new to the Larrivee world. Still waiting for my first to arrive - but Canada Post is taking its own sweet time for delivery  :crying:

The info you posted is quite helpful & educational ==> will enrich my appreciation of Larris.

ricky  :winkin: Thanks again!
Glad you found it helpful. This reminds me of an important update...


*Thickness of the Different Finishes

It has been confirmed that the satin finishes are indeed thinner.

"Glossy guitars get somewhere between 8 to 10 coats. The satin finish guitars get 3 to 4 coats."  Brian Trepanier - Larrivee factory video tour(part 4 of 5) - October 2002


"A satin finish guitar only has 50% of the finish on the guitar. For the shiny guitars you have to add double the amount."  Jean Larrivee - The Music Row Show June 22, 2008

Many believe that the thickness of the finish plays an important role in sound of the guitar. I won't describe the tonal differences because that's debatable and the intent of this thread is to pass on objective information.



Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: Danny on November 21, 2008, 12:19:14 AM
   I never saw this one before, it is a good thread to link folks to who want to know all the differences.


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: Dale_I on November 21, 2008, 01:00:22 AM
I believe part of the reasoning for the extra coats is to allow polishing without going through the finish. If that is the case, you probably would not end up with the finish actually being twice as thick. It would even, to maybe a coat thicker.


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: jeremy3220 on November 21, 2008, 02:50:22 AM
Not only did Jean say "A satin finish guitar only has 50% of the finish on the guitar" but he also went on to talk about the differences in sound. You should be able to listen to the program here http://www.themusicrowshow.com/TheMusicRowShow.com/TMRS-Podcasts/Entries/2008/6/22_Jean_Larrivee.html


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: Danny on November 21, 2008, 03:11:37 AM
Not only did Jean say "A satin finish guitar only has 50% of the finish on the guitar" but he also went on to talk about the differences in sound. You should be able to listen to the program here http://www.themusicrowshow.com/TheMusicRowShow.com/TMRS-Podcasts/Entries/2008/6/22_Jean_Larrivee.html
                            Yep that's what he said alright,  50%. :guitar


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: flatlander on November 21, 2008, 07:11:37 AM
I wonder what kind of finish they used in 80'? I know it was sold as being very thin yet durable. No satins back then.


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: Dale_I on November 21, 2008, 07:51:59 AM
Not sure of the specific finish Larrivee used. Most of the electrics of that decade were still using nitro lacquer. You were able to get a very nice gloss with thin coatings. The health and environment people have put a stop to most of that, especially for production manufacturing processes. Now they have UV curing and all sorts of techno gadgetry. I wonder what the current day thickness and plyability is like compared to the old stuff?

I remember in one interview that Jean had said that he liked the current day approach because the technology allowed innovative curing techniques and wide specification variation.

It is all very interesting. But, it is still what I would refer to as a "recipe". Not only the thickness, specific materials used, finish type, woods, bracing, and assembly, but the way an individual guitar responds to it all can make a perceivable difference. When you consider that simply changing strings can make a noticeable audible difference, there is just so many parts of the recipe that can make a difference that I would have a hard time nailing a specific ingredient as "good" or "bad".

However, trends are definitely noticeable (ex: hog vr rosewood). The real trick is identifying what you like. Then stretching your tastes to try different things to compare. The players I play with call it "tone quest". It never really ends...

Viva la "tone quest"


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: flatlander on November 21, 2008, 01:09:48 PM
Most of the electrics of that decade were still using nitro lacquer. You were able to get a very nice gloss with thin coatings. The health and environment people have put a stop to most of that, especially for production manufacturing processes.
The government should just stay out of it. I find that 6th finger quite handy.
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Trivia: who's hand is that?


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: Danny on November 21, 2008, 01:13:33 PM

Trivia: who's hand is that?
                          One of Goliath's kin had 6 fingers.


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: Dale_I on November 21, 2008, 05:54:40 PM
I find that 6th finger quite handy.


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: Dale_I on November 21, 2008, 05:55:46 PM
That's funny... I don't care who you are...


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: flatlander on November 21, 2008, 10:13:21 PM
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Here's the rest of him. Any guesses?


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: jeremy3220 on November 21, 2008, 10:16:41 PM
This is an FAQ section not a guess who has six fingers section.


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: Danny on November 21, 2008, 11:07:54 PM
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Here's the rest of him. Any guesses?
 
                           So...it's not Goliaths cousin then? :winkin:


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: WT Fraser on June 17, 2009, 03:40:46 PM
Hi guys. I'm new to this make of guitars. I'm looking for some advice and opinions about the 12 string series of Larrivees. I've been a supporter of Canadian made guitars and a supporter of Canadian Luthiers. I have other guitars from Quebec and Newfoundland and now venturing to the west coast. By doing so I'm upgrading my guitars as well. Some of my friends play them and I liked what I heard.  Now I' m looking for a 12 string. I'm undecided to go rosewood or not, is there a big difference and worth the extra cost. My experience is that I'm not a working musician or belong to any bands. I just enjoy playing around here and there with friends occasionally. So if anybody who owns or uses a Larrivee 12 string professionally please let me know how you feel ab  out them.
Your comments will be appreciated and valued.

Thanks in advance.

Bill


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: jeremy3220 on June 17, 2009, 05:17:21 PM
Bill, welcome to the forum. You'll probably get more responses if you start a new thread. This is a technical FAQ and isn't really the place. It would be better to delete this post and start a new thread.


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: GA-ME on September 03, 2009, 03:35:43 AM
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Hounddog Talyor.


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: madhatt on January 29, 2010, 07:15:09 PM
I notice the D-02 is not mentioned in this comparison list. Does anyone know how it differs from the D-03? So far, the only thing I can tell is that mine doesn't have the neck binding.


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: madhatt on January 29, 2010, 08:51:29 PM
I notice the D-02 is not mentioned in this comparison list. Does anyone know how it differs from the D-03? So far, the only thing I can tell is that mine doesn't have the neck binding.

I'll answer my own question.. found this on the Larrivee site:

What is the difference between an -02 and and -03?
The -02 series was initially a limited run for the year 2000. The -02 and -03 were almost identical except for the -02 has black plastic ABS fingerboard binding and the -03 has white paper or Ivroid fingerboard binding, and the -03 was made with a slightly higher grade material. The -02 was cancelled in 2001. There are currently no plans to bring it back.


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: markslife on February 01, 2010, 07:43:08 AM
Quote
I'm not a wood expert, but in my opinion the quality of a guitar's sound is mostly influenced by the soundboard; back and sides have actually a minor influence

I think the side/back woods have recognizeable tones and are crucial, but you can get a Larrivee model with a variety of woods. Collings Guitars (the best my hands have played) has a guy that taps out all of the body's wood pieces for a match in tone before assembling. Intriguing to me :guitar


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: Long813 on March 16, 2010, 12:38:13 AM
Just to update, I'm quite sure all models come with a Arch-top case. It's not noted here

Like i said above, there's no point in publishing stuff like this (or posting it) if its wrong.  I have a 10 series w/ mahogany back & sides. Therefore, the 10 series is not always rosewood back & sides.  I've seen 10 series that are bubinga, mahogany, rosewood, maple, koa, and ziricote.  The only thing I haven't seen is walnut, there's probably been sopme those made as well.  So, let's try to get it right or not bother to just repeat what can be found just as easily on the Larrivee web site.  :?

The info is for standard models though. If you list any special run Larrivee made, you'd probably be better off naming any and every wood (except add a Obsolete beside cedar ;)).


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: Mr_LV19E on March 16, 2010, 04:30:12 AM
Just to update, I'm quite sure all models come with a Arch-top case. It's not noted here


The 03 series comes with a flat top case and the 05 series and above come with arch top. That is not to say there are not exceptions to the rule.


Title: Re: The differences between the Larrivee series
Post by: Long813 on March 30, 2010, 11:33:59 AM
The 03 series comes with a flat top case and the 05 series and above come with arch top. That is not to say there are not exceptions to the rule.

Oh so that's what an archtop case is. Thanks for the clarification.