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Title: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: mannish on March 07, 2007, 04:21:17 AM
Looking for a smaller "couch" guitar, something easy to play and practice with while on the couch (my Larrivee SD-50 is too big for that).  But also want something quiet, ie an acoustic electric that you could play in the same room with someone else without disturbing them.  Would like something close to the 1 and 7/8" nut width of my SD-50.  The Yamaha "Silent Guitar", the Soloette and the Aria Sinonido seem to be along the lines of what I would be looking for, but not sure what their nut widths are. 

Does anyone have any experience with any of these models or have any other models/manufacturers to suggest?  Thanks. 


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: mekobebe on March 07, 2007, 06:27:14 AM
ever consider a parlor guitar?


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: Calvin on March 07, 2007, 06:33:41 AM
A full sized (er... concert sized) guitar but with thin body will be good.

The martin LX-1 is also a great choice.  I am not a huge fan of the Larrivee parlor (not saying they are bad guitars by any means), but I think the Larrivee OO is great if you are willing to spend a bit more).


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: sgarnett on March 07, 2007, 11:27:33 AM
A Parlor is definitely not "silent". My Rosewood Special is quite loud. At full throttle, it won't get quite as loud as a bigger guitar, but it only takes a very light touch to make it sing. The voice is somewhere between a 12 string and a mandola.


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: jwsamuel on March 07, 2007, 12:26:51 PM
I have an Aria Sinsonido. Mine is the steel-string model and the nut width is 1=11/16 inches. It feels like a full-size guitar neck.

Jim


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: aaronjnoone on March 07, 2007, 02:44:21 PM
You could get a parlor, or just use your dread and shove a feedback buster in the soundhole. That's what I do when it's late and I don't want to blast anyone out of bed with my D03. It sufficiently mutes the guitar.


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: sgarnett on March 07, 2007, 02:53:26 PM
Does the maximum feedback reduction version of the cover sold by lutehole reduce the volume enough for late night play?


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: aaronjnoone on March 07, 2007, 06:03:10 PM
I don't know. I just have the black rubber 'Feedback Buster'. It works fine for me.


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: patrickgm60 on March 07, 2007, 09:11:42 PM
Another vote for the Feedback Buster.  It mutes the sound a lot, but also brings out a different sound - I kinda like it, for short spells.


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: mannish on March 08, 2007, 03:13:38 AM
Thanks everyone for the replies.  I am not interested in the parlor because I want to be able to play quietly in the same room without bothering others (ie watch TV and practice right hand or left hand technique at the same time).  That is why I was focused more on the acoustic electric because they are so quiet. 

Anyone have any other suggestions? 


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: sgarnett on March 08, 2007, 04:18:02 AM
Well, it depends on what you mean by acoustic-electric. Some are basically acoustic, but built stiff to reduce feedback. They can still be quite loud. Some are more like electrics.


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: Celticjam on March 08, 2007, 04:44:44 AM
Hey Mannish,

I have one of the Yamaha SLG-100s.  The neck is pretty thin, kind of like an electric...on the short side of 1-11/16 maybe.  The SD-50 would feel huge next to the SLG's neck.  I got it for the exact use you've described, quiet playing at night or when someone in the same room doesn't want to hear me play.  To anyone else in the room it sounds like an unplugged electric guitar.  You can plug in some headphones or earbuds, and hear yourself play.  You can also plug in an ipod or something and jam with the virtual band, or take a guitar lesson.  Pretty nice features.  You can have a nice little session with someone sitting 5 to 10 feet away watching TV and not bother them one bit...unless they are ultra sensitive.  The sound through the phones is more like an electric guitar than an acoustic, but it serves its purpose. I don't use it all that much and I can't sell it because the kids love to plug it into an amp and make some noise, it's my only "electric" guitar.  If nothing else my kids think the SLG looks cool and it makes a lot of noise when it's plugged in so they are starting to take an interest in guitar which is right by me.

Hope this helps,
Kevin


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: Fredmando on March 08, 2007, 11:16:44 AM
Looking for a smaller "couch" guitar, something easy to play and practice with while on the couch (my Larrivee SD-50 is too big for that).  But also want something quiet, ie an acoustic electric that you could play in the same room with someone else without disturbing them.  Would like something close to the 1 and 7/8" nut width of my SD-50.  The Yamaha "Silent Guitar", the Soloette and the Aria Sinonido seem to be along the lines of what I would be looking for, but not sure what their nut widths are. 

Does anyone have any experience with any of these models or have any other models/manufacturers to suggest?  Thanks. 

Might I suggest a Traveller Escape guitar? I took mine on a cruise--yeah, my wife thought I was crazy--and played it in our cabin without waking up my wife. It has headphones and an onboard pre-amp, full size fretboard. Very well made for the money.
--fred


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: mannish on March 08, 2007, 11:30:21 PM
Thanks everyone for the replies.  Celticjam, is the Yamaha SLG-100 small enough to play on the couch? 


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: Celticjam on March 09, 2007, 02:16:58 AM
Mannish,

You can easily play it on a couch.  I used to play it in a Queen Annes chair before it went to St. Vincent de Paul,(the chair not the guitar).

Kevin


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: mannish on March 10, 2007, 12:24:53 AM
Celticjam, do you know if the Yamaha SLG-100 is bigger than the Aria Sinsonido or about the same size? 

Thanks, Dan


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: Celticjam on March 10, 2007, 04:03:33 AM
Hi Dan,

I've never seen an Aria Sinsonido but I measured the Yamaha, from tip to tail its about 38-1/2 inches long and the lower bout is 14 inches.  Hope this helps.

Kevin


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: mannish on March 12, 2007, 02:25:33 AM
jwsamuel,

I know you said your steel string Aria Sinsonido has a nut width of 1 and 11/16ths.  Do you know what the nut width is on the nylon string model?  As far as I can tell it is about 2 inches for the standard classical and 1.8 inches for the classical with the cutaway, is this correct? 

Thanks, Dan


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: ChadHahn on March 21, 2007, 07:43:33 PM
I have a Fender Stratocaster that I use unplugged as my "silent" guitar.  It sounds quite good unplugged and doesn't bother anyone.  I can even play it while we are watching TV and it isn't too distracting for my wife.  Plus the different style neck and body style keeps me on my toes.

Chad


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: bluesman67 on March 22, 2007, 01:49:36 PM
I agree with Chad, a strat or probably any electric will make a decent silent couch guitar.  You can also amp it with headphones.  You can also buy a guitar port for your computer, use headphones, and model any sounding quitar/amp combo you can think of. :guitar


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: mannish on March 23, 2007, 02:00:17 AM
Chad and Bluesman67,

Yes I agree with the two of you as well that a solid body electric like a Strat would make a good "silent" guitar when unamplified.  The only issue is that I would like to have something with the same nut width as my SD-50 (which is 1 and 7/8").  As far as I can tell that neck width is pretty unusual and hard to find in a solid body electric.  Does anyone know of any models of solid body electrics with a wider neck (close to 1 and 7/8 inches)?

Dan


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: bluesman67 on March 23, 2007, 02:15:53 AM
How about 1 3/4"?  These guys make neck replacements.  Per their Fender licensing agreement, they are supposed to be of equal or better value than a Fender original neck.  http://www.warmoth.com/guitar/necks/necks.cfm?fuseaction=strat_warmothpro  I assume there are others out there for different manufacturers.


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: bhika on March 23, 2007, 12:03:28 PM
How about 1 3/4"?  These guys make neck replacements.  Per their Fender licensing agreement, they are supposed to be of equal or better value than a Fender original neck.  http://www.warmoth.com/guitar/necks/necks.cfm?fuseaction=strat_warmothpro  I assume there are others out there for different manufacturers.

The real problem isn't always the neck/nut width but the string spacing at the saddle. I looked around quite a bit for an electric with a wider nut and string spacing and there are not many out there, especially lefties. G&L used to offer a ASAT set up like that but it's no longer available. I think it was neck option #4. If you go to guitarsbyleo.com they have the specs in their FAQ section. Also Gretsch offers the Chet Atkins G6122-1959 that has a wider nut (1 3/4"), but the string spacing is the same, about 2 1/8". I talked to Hamer Guitars about it and they said they could build a saddle with wider string spacing but the problem is that if you go to wide, 2 1/4"- 2 3/16" the strings don't line up correctly with the poles on the pick-ups and you can run into problems, unless you want to design custom bridges. So that's what I was able to find out when looking into it. There may be a few other makers out there that have wider necks, and string spacing, but it's slim pickings.


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: imwjl on March 23, 2007, 03:03:08 PM
Looking for a smaller "couch" guitar, something easy to play and practice with while on the couch (my Larrivee SD-50 is too big for that).  But also want something quiet, ie an acoustic electric that you could play in the same room with someone else without disturbing them.  Would like something close to the 1 and 7/8" nut width of my SD-50.  The Yamaha "Silent Guitar", the Soloette and the Aria Sinonido seem to be along the lines of what I would be looking for, but not sure what their nut widths are. 

Does anyone have any experience with any of these models or have any other models/manufacturers to suggest?  Thanks. 

I played some acoustic electrics, and a few were neat and not breaking the bank, but I ended up with an electric, and I'm having way too much fun.


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: dgrose on March 28, 2007, 01:03:15 AM
Does anyone know of any models of solid body electrics with a wider neck (close to 1 and 7/8 inches)?
Dan,

Godin makes a solid body electric classical. I play mine while watching TV for the very reason you have described. It's ultra quiet and the neck is very wide.

dg


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: mannish on March 28, 2007, 01:59:01 AM
dgrose

Thanks for the info.  I just ordered an Aria Sinsonido nylon string with cutaway (nut width is either 1 13/16" or 1 7/8").  However, I did find the Godin classicals on the internet and was intrigued by them.  I may be interested in one of those at some point.  How much did you pay for yours (if you don't mind me asking), and are you happy with the quality of the guitar?
Is it comfortable to play while sitting on the couch?

Thanks, Dan


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: dgrose on March 28, 2007, 04:34:01 AM
How much did you pay for yours (if you don't mind me asking), and are you happy with the quality of the guitar?
Is it comfortable to play while sitting on the couch?


My Godin cost around $900 Cdn (new), but it is also a synth access guitar - it has a solid body with (I think) LR Baggs pickup for each string. There is a photo of it here:
http://21guitars.com/documents/65.html
It's very comfortable to play both from a size and weight perspective. The nut is 1 7/8" wide.
Godins are among my favourite electric guitars - I have 5 of them (other faves are Yamaha Pacificas and Epiphone jazz guitars).

dg


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: mannish on March 29, 2007, 02:37:20 AM
dg

Thanks for the info.  I noticed you are a big fan of both Godins and Larrivees.  I liked the nut width especially on the Godin nylon string because it is 1 and 7/8 just like my Larrivee SD-50.  You say you like the Yamaha Pacifica also.  What is the nut width on that guitar and how does the weight of it compare to the Godin nylon string?  Is the Godin lighter?

Thanks, Dan


Title: Re: "Silent" couch guitar
Post by: dgrose on March 29, 2007, 12:07:17 PM
...What is the nut width on that guitar and how does the weight of it compare to the Godin nylon string?  Is the Godin lighter?

The Yamaha has a nut width that you would probably not enjoy... it's very narrow, like an old Strat - a little over 1.5". It's about the same weight as the Godin. There are a number of different Pacificas, of varying prices and qualities. The cheapest ones are very nice beginner/student quality. The nicer ones beat a Fender as far as I'm concerned.
Of all my electric steel-strings, the "Series A" has the widest nut width at 1 11/16" which is why I picked it up. At around $230 Cdn, it was very cheap.

dg