Why I think the D-03 is the best guitar in the world.

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Quote from: Silence Dogood on August 03, 2026, 09:09:14 PMI find it super hard to believe that anyone could listen to a guitar and say, "Oh wow, it's the scalloped bracing that's making all the difference..." -- especially if they had no knowledge of the bracing before listening.  I feel the same when someone goes on and on about an "Adi top" or a tune played with a Bluechip pick, etc.  I just can't believe all that stuff is discernable.  Fun to geek-out over, sure!  But a game-changer, I doubt it. 

I'm not saying a listener would hear the difference between bracing systems, but the player can hear and feel the difference. On my two instruments, the non-scalloped has a bass that I can drive harder, and it sounds solid. On the scalloped instrument, the upper register just rings out better and the artificial harmonics are more prominent. And if you listen to any comparison videos of a Martin D-28 vs a D-35 back-to-back, I can hear the difference.
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Quote from: William2 on Today at 10:42:16 AMI'm not saying a listener would hear the difference between bracing systems, but the player can hear and feel the difference. On my two instruments, the non-scalloped has a bass that I can drive harder, and it sounds solid. On the scalloped instrument, the upper register just rings out better and the artificial harmonics are more prominent. And if you listen to any comparison videos of a Martin D-28 vs a D-35 back-to-back, I can hear the difference.
If two guitars were exactly the same except for the bracing, it would be a fun experiment.  Otherwise there are too many factors at play to say it's the bracing alone.  At any rate, if bracing is your thing, I say go for it.  Trust your own ears, not mine. 
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Quote from: Silence Dogood on Today at 11:05:52 AMIf two guitars were exactly the same except for the bracing, it would be a fun experiment.  Otherwise there are too many factors at play to say it's the bracing alone.  At any rate, if bracing is your thing, I say go for it.  Trust your own ears, not mine
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I figure most people's hearing is likely more discerning than mine.
Far be it for me to know or say what someone else hears.

I guess my response to these comments would be, why do so many on this site prefer the modern series? There has to be some reason it is chosen.
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I always assumed that the 40 series was trying to bring the sound closer to the Martin familiar tone, and away from what some people call Larrivee's "modern" tone. Just different options.
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My point is it is something you can hear or feel as a player. I was just watching a video of Martin's 190-year history called the rise and Fall of Martin. in it they describe the sound difference everyone noticed in Martin guitars went from scalloped bracing to non-scalloped bracing from the 60 to 1979. That must have been the fall. They didn't include other issues like binging LOL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9XS_oZ1yTU
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I'm a little confused about the Modern series comment. The NEWER Larrivees (40 series) are "Traditional"/"Legacy" series. They are very popular but I've not seen an established favorite type here, and both Contemporary and Traditional seem to sell well. If anything, I've found that people seem to enjoy both for getting different sounds. I could be very wrong there, but it's the impression I've had.

While I have no problem with someone preferring a certain brace, as someone who nerds out on guitar construction methods, I can't say the scallop vs taper determines the sound. Much in the way that the shocks don't wholly determine the ride in a car, they are one thing a maker uses after they have decided how firm or soft they want the ride to be. For instance, what makes the 40 series different is much more than just a scallop. The tone bars are non symmetrical in placement which has a massive influence on the bass to high frequency relationship. Potentially more than the scallops, though you can't pin the sound down in that way. Guitar building is a series of balances. I don't feel you can take one thing from the recipe and say that's the sound. It's the series of things they did to get the desired sound, in this case, scallops were one of those things that contributes to that sound but they don't exist in a void. They are part of an assembled resonator. Some makers use tapered braces that are very thin, lay them in a slightly different spot, and work the top thinner to get the same type of sound. As was said earlier, it really only matters when all other things are equal. With certain Martins, the scallop is what changed. However, that's a specific scenario.

If you find all the guitars you like have scalloped braces, by all means go with that. I certainly would. I'd just keep an open mind that you might run into some guitars that you like even better, and they might not have scallops. That's happened to me many times when I thought I needed a certain wood, scale length, etc. I ended up finding a guitar that did more of that thing I liked, and it was built in a completely different way. My recent hollow-body electric purchase has everything "wrong" (scale, saddle, nut, top, frets, bridge, pickups, it's hollow, etc) according to my logic of what I like, and yet it's somehow the sound I've had in my head for years. The design is more than the sum of the parts.

 

I know that when the Beatles went to India, John and Paul brought nonscalloped Martin D-28's. Just something random I had in the recesses of my mind when I was hellbent on getting a D-28 back in 2008. I ended up with a scalloped HD-28 due to a clever salesman. Always felt that it was a little too powerful for me and wished I had looked around more for the standard D-28... Anyway, I'm a Larrivee man now.  :nana_guitar
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I stand corrected on modern series. I meant contemporary. Good points BOWIE. I just have my two as a reference. I did find that vide on Martin interesting in that there was a noticed difference in the Martin sound when they went to non-scalloped bracing and how it spurred that urge to buy war and pre-war Martins.
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