Please school me on amplification

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Friends, my new to me Larrivee 00040RE custom came with an installed Anthem Stage Pro. I am a total nube to the guitar and to the means to amplify it. Perhaps some kind soul would tell me what additional devices I might need - pre-amp, amp, speaker, etc. And make some modesty priced suggestions.
Mostly it would be used, at least a this point, for practicing, and just to get familiar with the concept of amplification. Woodwinds have been my main instruments all my life, and I might want to use the rig for amplifying the clarinet and sax as well. Also would like the option of getting a mike for vocals to run through the system as well to practice singing under power.
Thanks much for the help.
David

Until you get use to the amplified sound any small acoustic amp will do.No pre amps or other toys yet.I can't help with what amp but I'd just grab my guitar and go out and play some until you find one that sound good to your ear.
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Quote from: Barefoot Rob on April 06, 2019, 05:49:34 PM
Until you get use to the amplified sound any small acoustic amp will do.No pre amps or other toys yet.I can't help with what amp but I'd just grab my guitar and go out and play some until you find one that sound good to your ear.
Thanks. You mention "no preamp," but isn't the Baggs Anthem that I have installed a preamp +pickup mic?And if so, is all I need is the amp/speaker?
Cheers.

Quote from: Deliberate1 on April 06, 2019, 06:22:17 PM
Thanks. You mention "no preamp," but isn't the Baggs Anthem that I have installed a preamp +pickup mic?And if so, is all I need is the amp/speaker?
Cheers.

That's right sir. No preamp necessary.
Tell me how much your ready to part with for an amp. I may have just the thing, or someone else.
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Though I use my Anthem SL thru a pre-amp{PARA-Direct EQ} then to the PA I also run my Guild bass and Guild 12 that has a fishman pu in it more for the DI.I also use one side of an A/B box so all I need is one guitar cord,I like clean stage's.I hate tripping over wire's.
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If you have the money, a Bose system is really nice. I use one of these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHmtcOvIK2Y

Quote from: ducktrapper on April 06, 2019, 09:34:04 PM
If you have the money, a Bose system is really nice. I use one of these.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHmtcOvIK2Y

Very cool. That rig is aspriational. 
Thanks.

I have a Bose as well and it's great, but they ARE pricey. In the last few years several companies have copied the idea at much less costs.
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Quote from: flatlander on April 07, 2019, 09:54:09 PM
I have a Bose as well and it's great, but they ARE pricey. In the last few years several companies have copied the idea at much less costs.

Got any specifics? Lots of people copied The Beatles too.   :winkin:

I worked through this question just recently.  I've never owned an acoustic amp, but I decided it was time.

I chose the Fishman Loudbox mini.  60 watts, input for guitar and an input for a mic.   

I'm really pleased with how it sounds. It's loud enough for playing at home, or at a coffee shop type venue. 

It has two big brothers, one with 120 watts, one with 180 watts, if more power is needed.

All of the retailers were selling it for the same price, but different retailers were including different free "packages", maybe a mic, maybe a stand, maybe an amp cover, maybe
a carrying bag, maybe some cables, so it's good to see which retailer is including the "extras" that you like the most.

With your battery powered Anthem pickup, you can plug straight into the amp input.

Hope that helps!

(My pickup is a K&K Pure Mini, no preamp, no controls, no battery, so I run from the guitar to a Boss TU-3 Tuner, (which is buffered and takes the high impedance K&K pickup down to a lower impedance), then to an Ernie Ball Volume Pedal, (the lower impedance 25k ohm version because I'd been using it for something else), then to the amp input.  Again, I'm really happy with how it sounds.)

Keith,
OP here. Very helpful to hear your experience with the Loudbox. I have probably read the same reviews as you, but you have laid your money down. Like you, I discovered that prices are pretty uniform. That one is high on my dance card. Curious what your experience has been playing amplified. I have never done it and wonder if you would be using it for performance or practice. I have been reading that playing amplified magnifies technique glitches. And not that I need to be reminded of my "glitches," getting that magnified feedback, so to speak, seems like a good idea. Before I play in public, beyond my pick up group, it would be good to hear what the audience would hear. Also, since the Loudbox has two channels, I could work on vocals as well to figure out the right balance. You done that through your box yet?
Cheers.
David

Hi Deliberate1 David,

Quote from: Deliberate1 on April 06, 2019, 04:41:57 PM
Friends, my new to me Larrivee 00040RE custom came with an installed Anthem Stage Pro. I am a total nube to the guitar and to the means to amplify it. Perhaps some kind soul would tell me what additional devices I might need - pre-amp, amp, speaker, etc. And make some modesty priced suggestions.
Mostly it would be used, at least a this point, for practicing, and just to get familiar with the concept of amplification. Woodwinds have been my main instruments all my life, and I might want to use the rig for amplifying the clarinet and sax as well. Also would like the option of getting a mike for vocals to run through the system as well to practice singing under power.
Thanks much for the help.
David

Check this out.
When is an acoustic guitar not an acoustic guitar?

I play amplified most of the time (in performance and recreationally). I perform at least two-three times a week. Once a week, that's through the system Ducktrapper mentioned above. Once a week, it's through it's larger sibling, and other times, it's through it's younger, smaller companion.

That new model has the added benefits of weighing only 16 pounds including the internal battery pack. Learn more in a forum dedicated to that product (where I am a moderator).


Spend some quality time with a system playing your guitar through it before making a final decision. Check the return policy before you buy.

Quote from: ST on April 09, 2019, 05:01:54 AM
Hi Deliberate1 David,

Check this out.
When is an acoustic guitar not an acoustic guitar?

I play amplified most of the time (in performance and recreationally). I perform at least two-three times a week. Once a week, that's through the system Ducktrapper mentioned above. Once a week, it's through it's larger sibling, and other times, it's through it's younger, smaller companion.

That new model has the added benefits of weighing only 16 pounds including the internal battery pack. Learn more in a forum dedicated to that product (where I am a moderator).


Spend some quality time with a system playing your guitar through it before making a final decision. Check the return policy before you buy.

Very helpful. I will certainly check out your links.
Curious if you rehearse amplified (with vocals?) to make sure that what you hear while woodshedding is what the audience will hear.
Obliged.
David

Hi David,

Quote from: Deliberate1 on April 09, 2019, 09:46:30 AM
Very helpful. I will certainly check out your links.
Curious if you rehearse amplified (with vocals?) to make sure that what you hear while woodshedding is what the audience will hear.
Obliged.
David

Exactly!

More on this: Practise, Practice, Visualization

David, right now I'm using the amp for practice-getting-ready-for-performance.   :tongue:   For several years I've been playing with a full band at my church, usually playing electric guitar, but occasionally playing acoustic.   When I'd play acoustic, I wouldn't use an amp, but instead go through a direct box to the sound board.

But things change, and now I'm working with a friend to get a couple of sets of songs together to play coffee shop type venues.    I had heard a person playing in one of our local coffee shops, using the Loudbox mini for both guitar and vocals, and I was impressed by the sound quality.  So I talked with him a little, and then researched a little.

And I have been running my guitar and vocal through the Loudbox and I think it sounds good and will work just fine.   Well, the amp is doing the best it can considering my voice!

You are thinking along the right lines, getting used to the sound of the amp and balance of the guitar and voice.

And, I do think the Bose is a good solution, probably more than I need at this point.

Quote from: ST on April 09, 2019, 10:12:24 AM
Hi David,

Exactly!

More on this: Practise, Practice, Visualization

Cheers, mate.
The sound tech these days, compact, sonorous, battery operated, wireless, is just amazing.
Forgive a nube question, but can the Bose S1 be fitted with a wireless device for mic and pickup?

Hi David,

Quote from: Deliberate1 on April 09, 2019, 11:32:09 AM
Cheers, mate.
The sound tech these days, compact, sonorous, battery operated, wireless, is just amazing.
Forgive a nube question, but can the Bose S1 be fitted with a wireless device for mic and pickup?

Yes, and most powered loudspeakers with two or more channels can.

You can spend as little as $150 per channel (microphone, guitar) to (the sky's the limit).  Within a nickel or a dime, you get what you pay for.

I'd leave the wireless bit 'til later.

What kind of microphone do you have?

ST

Quote from: ST on April 09, 2019, 12:13:34 PM
Hi David,

Yes, and most powered loudspeakers with two or more channels can.

You can spend as little as $150 per channel (microphone, guitar) to (the sky's the limit).  Within a nickel or a dime, you get what you pay for.

I'd leave the wireless bit 'til later.

What kind of microphone do you have?

ST


Understood. No mic yet - suggestion?
My guitar has the Anthem pickup/re-amp installed so I am set with that.
Again, many thanks for the help.

Vocal mic? Hard to go wrong with Shure. I like the Beta 58.

Quote from: ducktrapper on April 09, 2019, 02:06:24 PM
Vocal mic? Hard to go wrong with Shure. I like the Beta 58.

On it. Tx again.

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