Gotoh SVG-510 tuners!!??

[dr.underhill]

whilst survaying the official Gotoh site i came across a model SVG-510 machine head. they appear to be the same as the standard 510's, but with the anchor hole at the 6 o'clock position rather than the offset as on the standards. unless i am wrong (which with me is a clear and present danger) these might actually work on my parlor without having to re-drill & fill anchor screw holes. is anyone here familiar with this variant?
they offer them in the same finishes and the same button options as the regular 510's.

[ffinke]

The Larrivee L and OM (and I think the D, too) uses the 45 degree offset. Make sure your parlor either is the 45 or the 90. If unsure, call Larrivee.

f

enc is the back of the head-stock of a P-05 and it looks to me that the 45 degree offset is what you want.

[Mr_LV19E]

The Larrivee L and OM (and I think the D, too) uses the 45 degree offset. Make sure your parlor either is the 45 or the 90. If unsure, call Larrivee.

f

enc is the back of the head-stock of a P-05 and it looks to me that the 45 degree offset is what you want.

Those are the new Faradyne tuners Larrivee is using on the 05 and up models.

[AZLiberty]

Those are the new Faradyne tuners Larrivee is using on the 05 and up models.

Faradyne?

Parlor tuners look like these (only half as many).  I can live with the full size Pings on mos of my guitars, but the mini-Pings seriously suck.

[dr.underhill]

the less than steller opinion of pings, in my humble opinion, is based on fact. i am not a "brand" snob. if something works, and works well i have no objection to manufactor or origin, but when they do NOT that is another matter. the pings on my parlor are so incredibly below the quality of the rest of the guitar that it is shocking. they are not smooth, they overshoot/undershoot when adjusted, in short they do little that would entitle them to be called "tuners" at all. it would be much better if all manufactors offered a tuner option on new instruments- if you, after paying a considerable sum for a high quality guitar choose to cut corners on low grade machines, that's up to you, but if offered an upgrade to gotohs, schallers, etc. for the difference in cost, i suspect most of us would gladly pay the difference.

[GGBB]

The 90 degree, 45 degree, and inline tuner mounts are not interchangeable (without re-drilling the screw hole) for a couple of reasons other than screw hole placement

The obvious reason is that if decide to rotate the tuner to line it up with the existing screw hole, it may or may not leave you enough clearance to actually use the tuner, and it will look different (you decide whether it's odd or cool).

But even if you do decide to go with the rotation, there's another problem.  It's the distances from the center of the post hole to the center of the screw hole:

45 degree = 11mm (SGS510, SGL510, SG503, SG381, SGM)
90 degree = 10mm (SG360)
inline/strait = 10.5mm (SGV510, SG301)

I doubt it would be possible to make the 1mm difference work., but you might be able to get away with 0.5mm because wood is forgiving and there might be a little slack in the post hole.

[Walkerman]

Dr U...The Schaller mini M6 tuner is a direct drop in for the mini pings


http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Tuners/Guitar,_solid_peghead_tuners/Schaller_Tuners/Schaller_M-6_Mini_Guitar_Machines,_3L_3R.html

[dr.underhill]

Gord, your statements are unfortunately true, true, true. it appears that the SG360 (or maybe SG301) Gotohs, or as Walkerman has stated, the Schaller mini M6's are the only two machine heads that i can tell will not require modifications to install. the good news is that both tuners are of high quality in keeping with the superb quality of a Larrivee. the bad news is it appears that a 14.1 ratio is the best i can do. i was hoping to get an 18.1 (the SVG510Z's are a 21.1 which would have been super), but on a brand new instrument i just can't bring myself to drill & fill.

thanks folks for all the input. now i've just got to decide which way to go. the Gotohs seem to have a much wider choice of buttons, which is a point in their favor.

[WPete]

Here's my thread w/ pics where I replaced the ping mini's w/ Gotoh 360's in gold w/ amber on my F-IV Hogtop.
A drop-in install as far as drilling holes go - a bit of shimming to take up slack on the 10mm hole w/ coke can aluminum strips tho:

http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=36463.msg332494#msg332494

I'm still liking them.
btw, glad you like the JJB's .  

[dr.underhill]

WPete, i wound up ordering a set of Gotoh 360's- i got them at Lmii at a super good price $34.95+ S&H- went with chrome (figured with the MOP Larrivee script and the sterling silver peghead surround the chrome would look best), and found a set of amber buttons on ebay at a substantial savings- i think it will look nice, and my experience with Gotohs have been highly satisfactory.

i'm loving the jjb's- i appreciate you turning me on to them. they are an OUTSTANDING value, and there's not too many things in this day and time that you can say that about.

for all the great input on this thread i'd like to spring for:  &
(a dozen donuts, and a coffee to go).

[GGBB]

Gord, your statements are unfortunately true, true, true. it appears that the SG360 (or maybe SG301) Gotohs, or as Walkerman has stated, the Schaller mini M6's are the only two machine heads that i can tell will not require modifications to install. the good news is that both tuners are of high quality in keeping with the superb quality of a Larrivee. the bad news is it appears that a 14.1 ratio is the best i can do. i was hoping to get an 18.1 (the SVG510Z's are a 21.1 which would have been super), but on a brand new instrument i just can't bring myself to drill & fill.

thanks folks for all the input. now i've just got to decide which way to go. the Gotohs seem to have a much wider choice of buttons, which is a point in their favor.

I have the SG381s which are quite similar to the 360s but 16:1 on one of my electrics and for the price they are outstanding.  They are at least as good as any of the other top brands so you should like them a lot.

I put the SGL510Zs on my C-09.  The 21:1 ratio is truly awesome.  The only problem is that all my other guitars now seem touchy in comparison.

[GGBB]

Here's my thread w/ pics where I replaced the ping mini's w/ Gotoh 360's in gold w/ amber on my F-IV Hogtop.
A drop-in install as far as drilling holes go - a bit of shimming to take up slack on the 10mm hole w/ coke can aluminum strips tho:

http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=36463.msg332494#msg332494

I'm still liking them.
btw, glad you like the JJB's .  

Very sweet - I love the gold with amber.  I went with the same combination on my 95 with the old unbordered rosewood headstock plate.  The amber and gold against the rosewood and mahogany headstock looks gorgeous.  I wish Larrivee would go back to the rosewood plates.