Could it be :?

Appears we are going to get our Larrivee Tele  :guitar seeHERE (http://www.larrivee.com/instruments/electrics/index.php)

Sooo any guesses of

makeup wood types, hardware, maple neck I hope :? :?

colors more than one :?

Name :?

Sure hope they stay with the SD PUPS tho I'm sure Matt's would be on par,  hear way too many good things about the DUNCAN's

CRAP!!!

This is AWESOME!!!

Of course, it means there's now another guitar I HAVE TO save up for!!! But I definitely have to have a Larrivee "Tele"! (Wonder what they'll call it? The RS-3? Naw...)

It's also nice to see all the specs on the RS-4 and RS-2. So far, the only mistake I found in the specs is that the RS-4 says it has the Kluson tulip tip tuners, which are on the RS-2; I think the RS-4 has standard Schallers...

But this is freakin' fantastic...

...hey, UNCLROB!!!!   :winkin:

:nice guitar:  :nice guitar:  :nice guitar: (x3)

Quote from: Mikeymac on April 14, 2011, 08:41:54 PM
So far, the only mistake I found in the specs is that the RS-4 says it has the Kluson tulip tip tuners, which are on the RS-2; I think the RS-4 has standard Schallers...

Not necessarily just Schallers as My Spalted came with the Kluson's:

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So ... should we speculate on price for the "Coming Soon" model?

I'm assuming it's a bolt on neck - since that's what the Seymour Duncan "35" (or whatever number) was...

I'm going to guess a street price of around $1,199-1,299.

And I hope they'll have the option to put a Larrivee P-90 in the neck position ... or heck, even the Larrivee neck humbucker would be cool! It would sound different than in the RS-4/2 just because of the different construction and body woods!

Also hoping it comes with a "vintage style" ashtray bridge - don't remember what the one on the SD was (I'm gonna have to go find that thread now...)

Okay - I've forgotten a few things...

...The Seymour Duncan 35 has two humbuckers on it, and a Gibson style tune-o-matic and stop-tail bridge ... so we'll see if Larrivee continues with that, or if this is going to have the traditional Tele style bridge.

I think most folks are going to want a traditional style bridge and bridge pickup; neck position could be anything (or nothing, a la Esquire).

Let the debate begin ...  :humour:

...oh, and Matthew - pipe in at anytime to correct any misinformation! 

Maybe it will be called an RT-? or an LT-?  like Larrivee did back in the 80's.  

Neck Configuration:   R = Neck thru and L = Bolt on
Body Style:  S = Strat and T = Tele
Pickup Configuration:  A number was used such as 1, 2, 3, or 4

Example:   LT-1 = A bolt on neck, tele body, single humbucker

Off course the current electrics haven't been following the same naming scheme.


Mike

OH CR*P!!!!! :crying: :drool:






Does anyone want a 1948 Gibson L7 refinished blond at the Gibson factory in the 50's???

Quote from: Mikeymac on April 14, 2011, 09:18:23 PM

...The Seymour Duncan 35 has two humbuckers on it, and a Gibson style tune-o-matic and stop-tail bridge ... so we'll see if Larrivee continues with that, or if this is going to have the traditional Tele style bridge.

I think most folks are going to want a traditional style bridge and bridge pickup; neck position could be anything (or nothing, a la Esquire).

Let the debate begin  

I am certainly with most folks, and and am hoping for the traditional style say something like a CALLAHAM (http://www.callahamguitars.com/brdge_T.htm) to me would signify like their RS 4 they are going to put forth a top shelf product. LARRIVEE to me seem well down that road with their electrics wouldn't surprise me a bit if they go to this level. Lots to explore and debate for sure  

Time to start selling some guitars again.....

Quote from: unclrob on April 14, 2011, 10:01:11 PM
Does anyone want a 1948 Gibson L7 refinished blond at the Gibson factory in the 50's???

Only if it's left-handed!!!   :bgrin:

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on April 14, 2011, 10:03:19 PM
I am certainly with most folks, and and am hoping for the traditional style say something like a CALLAHAM (http://www.callahamguitars.com/brdge_T.htm) to me would signify like their RS 4 they are going to put forth a top shelf product. LARRIVEE to me seem well down that road with their electrics wouldn't surprise me a bit if they go to this level. Lots to explore and debate for sure 

I didn't think Callaham made any lefty stuff, but I stand corrected (and have therefore edited my post) ... it looks like they do (at least lefties are listed on the Tele page...). don't know what this would do to the street price of these guitars...

...but I agree; Larrivee has really taken their electrics seriously and used top shelf parts, so I do hope that trend will continue with this model.

Edited to add: After looking at Callaham's guitar prices, I'm sure these Larrivees will be a bargain, with the same level of quality!

If they keep with traditional Larrivée designations like the RS, it will be an LT. I love this little thing! LT-1



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Mikey I can convert it as it has no pickguard. :bgrin:

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on April 14, 2011, 08:58:57 PM
Not necessarily just Schallers as My Spalted came with the Kluson's:

I shoulda known......now we have 2 sets of twin Larrys....spalted RS4s and  flamed maple J's.
Funny thing, cause I am in the extreme southwest, and you are in the extreme northeast.  We have the continent covered...

Quote from: Walkerman on April 15, 2011, 11:42:16 AM

Funny thing, cause I am in the extreme southwest, and you are in the extreme northast.  We have the continent covered...

:thumbsup

Too late for me.... Just ordered an IBANEZ "Prestige" FR6120.. I get it in two days!  http://www.ibanez.com/ElectricGuitars/model-FR1620 - Really rare I could only locate 3 in Canada (black but wanted white or burst oh well)  and lucky there is one in Vancouver unsold forever and on clearance price at $1000. Just like the RS4s!

I like the shape of the FR is so cool & stylish. Although the headstock is a little out of sync with the body shape it does nod for the metal players. It's 5 position switch is very cool, from double through to single coils in bridge and neck.  The Tele shape is too retro (for me) because it was shaped for manufacturing ease more than anything.

I first saw the Ibanez at this event here and that got me looking at it. I like what I saw for sure.  Great concert BTW "OMG" this band will be big.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Dqefk0RWAc

I'm trying to figure out what I can let go to get one when they come out. Hoping for a more "traditional" look out the gate. But with some Matthew designed pickups. Should be k*ller! I know the pups in my RS's are.  :wink:

Quote from: tulk1 on April 19, 2011, 08:08:19 AM
I'm trying to figure out what I can let go to get one when they come out. Hoping for a more "traditional" look out the gate. But with some Matthew designed pickups. Should be k*ller! I know the pups in my RS's are.  :wink:

Need some help :? What do you have :winkin:

Evidently Larrivee showed a few prototypes of their new 'Teles' at the Dallas Guitar Show recently...they were in colors like the Daphne Blue, Surf Green and Candy Apple Red, some had traditional Tele pickups and some had (according to the person who posted on the Fender Forum/FDP) "mini-humbuckers" in the bridge position. They didn't say if Larrivee advertised a "list" price...I'm asking for more info. Unfortunately, they also didn't get any pics. He said they sounded very good...

Hey, Matthew - we're waiting for more info - and PICS!!!   :arrow

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on April 19, 2011, 10:17:20 AM
Need some help :? What do you have :winkin:

That's the problem. I don't really want to get rid of any of my current stock. I'm sporting a '74 LPC, '95 PRS, 3 Custom ordered Heritages, a beautiful BEM G&L Legacy, the two RS's and all the acoustic stuff (Taylor, Eastman, banjo, Heritage mandolin, reso, etc). Nothing that comes readily to mind to make room for the Larrivee`. And I'm on the hunt for an OMV-05E, as well. Argh!!  :wacko:

Quote from: Mikeymac on April 19, 2011, 01:01:43 PMthey were in colors like the Daphne Blue, Surf Green and Candy Apple Red,  

Those would be the RS-2 colors. The Teles for Dallas included Mary Kay White, Butterscotch, Trans Red, and Metallic Blue.

Quote from: Mikeymac on April 19, 2011, 01:01:43 PMsome had traditional Tele pickups and some had (according to the person who posted on the Fender Forum/FDP) "mini-humbuckers" in the bridge position.  

The Larrivee telecaster style guitar has a neck pickup route that will accomodate either a Traditional tele neck pickup or a mini humbucker. You simply need another pickup and a pickguard to change from one to the other (everything is solderless thanks to the Duncan Liberator system). The guitar is not in-expensive, due to its top notch hardware and appointments - but it is not over priced. The bridge alone is well over $100 my cost.

Quote from: Matthew Larrivee on April 19, 2011, 02:59:33 PM
The guitar is not in-expensive, due to its top notch hardware and appointments - but it is not over priced. The bridge alone is well over $100 my cost.

Sooo tell us about it's hardware and appointments  :blush:

The fact top notch hardware is being used does not surprise me at all from what was used in previous models.

When do you think they will be available to us GASING public :?

Quote from: Matthew Larrivee on April 19, 2011, 02:59:33 PM
Those would be the RS-2 colors. The Teles for Dallas included Mary Kay White, Butterscotch, Trans Red, and Metallic Blue.

The Larrivee telecaster style guitar has a neck pickup route that will accomodate either a Traditional tele neck pickup or a mini humbucker. You simply need another pickup and a pickguard to change from one to the other (everything is solderless thanks to the Duncan Liberator system). The guitar is not in-expensive, due to its top notch hardware and appointments - but it is not over priced. The bridge alone is well over $100 my cost.

Thanks for answering some of our questions, Matthew!  :thumb

So ... you're incorporating some of the features of the SD35 into these - cool! Also, every one of those colors above sounds perfectly acceptable - I may have to eventually have two! And I'm definitely going to want that mini-bucker in the neck on one of these.

...another question Matthew: With the new relationship (albiet short-term) with Seymour Duncan, will these have SD pickups in them, or are you winding some "tele" pickups now as well?

So ... unclrob ... is your GAS getting worse?!  Mine sure is!!   :drool:

:roll

Quote from: Mikeymac on April 19, 2011, 05:31:47 PM
Thanks for answering some of our questions, Matthew!  :thumb

So ... you're incorporating some of the features of the SD35 into these - cool! Also, every one of those colors above sounds perfectly acceptable - I may have to eventually have two! And I'm definitely going to want that mini-bucker in the neck on one of these.

...another question Matthew: With the new relationship (albiet short-term) with Seymour Duncan, will these have SD pickups in them, or are you winding some "tele" pickups now as well?

The prototypes are using a special Duncan Custom Shop pickups which is not on thier normal menu. The neck and bridge pups are a perfect blend of that old broadcaster twang & bite, but with a clarity and warmth which I just love. Seymour has come to the shop many times, and he knows his tele's.

Beyond that, we're not really prepared to release alot more info.

Quote from: Mikeymac on April 19, 2011, 05:31:47 PM
I may have to eventually have two! And I'm definitely going to want that mini-bucker in the neck on one of these.

...another question Matthew: With the new relationship (albiet short-term) with Seymour Duncan, will these have SD pickups in them, or are you winding some "tele" pickups now as well?

Not so sure we will need two as from Matt's post " You simply need another pickup and a pickguard to change from one to the other (everything is solderless thanks to the Duncan Liberator system)"

Sounds to me like SD PUPS thus requiring only a neck PUP and pickguard and can change around. Well I suppose we could get a 2nd Larrivee telecaster style guitar to negate having to do the switch :blush:

These are very fine times :smile:

EDIT: Posted without seeing Matt L's post :arrow

Quote from: Matthew Larrivee on April 19, 2011, 05:54:04 PM
The prototypes are using a special Duncan Custom Shop pickups which is not on thier normal menu. The neck and bridge pups are a perfect blend of that old broadcaster twang & bite, but with a clarity and warmth which I just love. Seymour has come to the shop many times, and he knows his tele's.

Beyond that, we're not really prepared to release alot more info.

Thanks, Matthew ... we'll take what we can get!

I know what I'm getting for Christmas this year!!! (And my birthday is only 10 days after Christmas ... in my best Oliver Twist voice "Please, sir, may I have another?" In this case, "sir" would be my wife!)

:laughin:

Now I need to see how much overtime I can punch in this season... and see if I can find cheaper rent..... or sell some blood..... maybe a kidney....

Something about the words "Larrivee" and "Minihumbucker" that are getting the gears turning.

The other side of this is that the shops at home haven't even thought about the RS series.  I was told first that they were much more expensive than the comparable Gibson... and more recently another shop told me that Larrivee gave up on the electrics.  (I don't talk to that guy in the store anymore)  :humour:

OK Matt how about a trade I have a really nice Refin'ed blond Gibson L7 archtop{maybe you can use it as a sketch pad type thing for when you start building archtop guitars}I'll take a Larrivee t*l* style only if it has YOUR pickups that you've built and maybe you can throw me a bone and include an OM03 12 string.Or maybe one of your T*l* type's with a Bigsby. :drool:


Miky how's that.

Quote from: unclrob on April 19, 2011, 08:59:27 PM
OK Matt how about a trade I have a really nice Refin'ed blond Gibson L7 archtop{maybe you can use it as a sketch pad type thing for when you start building archtop guitars}I'll take a Larrivee t*l* style only if it has YOUR pickups that you've built and maybe you can throw me a bone and include an OM03 12 string.Or maybe one of your T*l* type's with a Bigsby. :drool:


Miky how's that.

It never hurts to ask, does it? 

I'm gonna get in line with Ken to sell blood (keepin' my kidneys, though ... I have a hard enough time just giving blood)!!!   :roll

Mmmmm ... butterscotch  :drool:

John

I'm not scared to spend the money when it comes in and I dont when (the money that is)........however, I've been pondering G&L ASAT so bring it on.

My twelve cents: electrics should have a fitting model name rather than model number unlike acoustics to incorporate the total package, but maybe it's too late considering Larrivee electric models current and past (RS2 RS4). Those of us that already know what to expect it wont affect.

But I was sure I didn't need  another electric guitar. Curse you Red Baron!

(http://bestuff.com/images/images_of_stuff/210x600/curse-you-red-baron-108575.jpg?1196605551)

As Markslife points out we know of no name as yet. There are pros and cons to a # BUT if we could name it; what name would you propose :?

Let your creative juices flow :guitar

Visioncaster
Laricaster
Americaster
Larrivee-master


Maybe after some names have been proposed we could have a poll  :doh

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on April 20, 2011, 04:28:06 PM
As Markslife points out we know of no name as yet. There are pros and cons to a # BUT if we could name it; what name would you propose :?

Let your creative juices flow :guitar

Visioncaster
Laricaster
Americaster
Larrivee-master

Maybe after some names have been proposed we could have a poll  :doh

Televee
Canadacaster
Canuckcaster
Matthewcaster
Teleleven (since it came out in 2011)

Telemaster

Curseyoucaster!!!

(http://www.freshgraphics.com/HowWeWork/MoneyFlying.jpg)

Friggincoolcaster. :nana_guitar

I was already thinking the name-game, but was afraid to charter there - thanks JoycefromNS

1st thoughts:
ToneMaster, (awww heck)

but maybe we need something away from the beaten path........

BTW surley the KY boy that chooses the name wins a copy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (and please no cheating by administrator deletes/edits) :humour:

thinking that any reference to "tele" or "caster" is not in the cards, how about,

LE Type 1 or
LE Traditional or
LE Classic

LE = "Larrivee Electric"

Kurt

I never even thought about it...but does anyone know what  RS stands for in the Larrivee Electric line?

Quote from: photomat on April 21, 2011, 08:25:08 AM
I never even thought about it...but does anyone know what  RS stands for in the Larrivee Electric line?

Somebody once did but they've since forgotten. They should stay true to form and call the Larricaster an LT.   

I was tellin the wife about this and she said I could get one which is really wierd cause I never ask before buying, you see this one would cost me double since she wants a new dining room set.

Quote from: photomat on April 21, 2011, 08:25:08 AM
I never even thought about it...but does anyone know what  RS stands for in the Larrivee Electric line?

I think way back in the day JCL loved the AUdi RS auto thus also felt it was a fitting name for his 80's electric guitar ( neck thru line) and the name was carried forth by Matthew for the modern electric line

:beer

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on April 21, 2011, 04:37:42 PM
I think way back in the day JCL loved the AUdi RS auto thus also felt it was a fitting name for his 80's electric guitar ( neck thru line) and the name was carried forth by Matthew for the modern electric line

:beer

I heard he thought the curves looked like Romy Schneider's bosom?  Or was it Roy Scheider's nose? You decide.  :winkin:

(http://www.garboforever.com/Bilder/Garbo-Stories/Romy_Schneider.jpg)

(http://www.trailershut.com/actor-images/roy-scheider-6430.jpg)

For those who haven't read about it....this is waaaaaay cool......

http://www.seymourduncan.com/liberator/

And if Matthew is using these in the new tele-styles, I'd say that his relationship with Seymour Duncan has paid huge dividends, and it puts Larrivee electronics ahead of the curve.  When it comes to PUPs, you really can have your cake, and eat it too.

Thanks Steve the whole industry are raving about these PUPS. These  on a Larrivee Guitar ought to be awesome!!!

Quote from: Walkerman on April 21, 2011, 05:12:01 PM
For those who haven't read about it....this is waaaaaay cool......

http://www.seymourduncan.com/liberator/

And if Matthew is using these in the new tele-styles, I'd say that his relationship with Seymour Duncan has paid huge dividends, and it puts Larrivee electronics ahead of the curve.  When it comes to PUPs, you really can have your cake, and eat it too.

Top right picture on the link is an RS-4 with Zebra pups.

Is there an ETA for the new guitar? Or is that still double secret, for future eyes only, need to know information?  :whistling:

Quote from: tulk1 on April 23, 2011, 06:33:40 PM
Is there an ETA for the new guitar? Or is that still double secret, for future eyes only, need to know information?  :whistling:

Tick, tock, tick, tock ... still waiting for an answer to this...

...knowing the ETA would help some of us plan our next gear purchase...  :rolleye:

Quote from: Mikeymac on April 25, 2011, 01:44:28 PM
Tick, tock, tick, tock ... still waiting for an answer to this...

...knowing the ETA would help some of us plan our next gear purchase...  :rolleye:

:thumb   And to ensure we don't "accidentally" spend the $$'s on something else!!  :crying:

How about a Forum "Tele"?   :winkin:

That would be an awesome!   :drool:

Mike

Quote from: Cybercanyon on April 25, 2011, 03:42:47 PM
How about a Forum "Tele"?   :winkin:

That would be an awesome!   :drool:

Mike

The question has been broached before.  I do believe there would be enough interest to make it a go.........

Quote from: Walkerman on April 25, 2011, 03:58:52 PM
The question has been broached before.  I do believe there would be enough interest to make it a go.........

Yup...

...but would Larrivee want some of the first guitars of a brand new model to be "modded" ones built as a forum guitar? Or would they rather get the model extablished a bit first? And if we haven't even had a standard model in our hands yet, how would we know what to ask for to make it "special" and justify calling it a "Forum" guitar? Right off hand, based on the initial specs Matthew has shared, I can't think of anything I'd want to change right away...

Your are right.  Without seeing one in its final form, it would be difficult to conceptualize what a Forum "Tele" would look like.
However, a simple change or addition such as a name on the head stock, signature or an inlay on the fret board denoting it as being a "Forum Tele" might be enough to justify it.


Mike 

I walked into our local guitar shop, and there sitting on the counter on a string changing mat was one of the 35 Seymour Duncans.  What a beautiful instrument.  The larrivee made body was beautiful!

Quote from: photomat on April 25, 2011, 09:14:02 PM
I walked into our local guitar shop, and there sitting on the counter on a string changing mat was one of the 35 Seymour Duncans.  What a beautiful instrument.  The larrivee made body was beautiful!

OK did you get to hear it :? Play it :? What were they doing with it :? For Sale :? Already spoken for :? What was the local shop buzz :?

Quote from: photomat on April 25, 2011, 09:14:02 PM
I walked into our local guitar shop, and there sitting on the counter on a string changing mat was one of the 35 Seymour Duncans.  What a beautiful instrument.  The larrivee made body was beautiful!

Well, what shop matt, and did you buy it?  :cop:

Bellevue American Music...and no, I did not buy it.  I would buy a coppecastgerr tele reissue first,  if I could only find one  :whistling:

I really should have played it...but then maybe I would have wanted one.  I am so happy with my 3 RS-4's, I would want to try the Larrivee (enter model name and number here) first.

At a list of $6200, I'd be a bit shy of trying out the "35", unless I had a real interest. I'd not want to be the one that put "that ding!" in the guitar.  :crying:  Not that I ding up my guitars. But I could just see it slipping/missing the hand-off. I'm not known as a patient man, but in this regard, I'd wait for the Larrivee model.  :tongue:

Thought you all might enjoy this.  I was struck by the comment about Jean Larrivee's "private stash of 35,000 year old mastodon ivory" that they used for the nut on the SD 35.....verrrrrrrrrrrry interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okUaZ6Ri6X8

Quote from: photomat on April 25, 2011, 09:14:02 PM
I walked into our local guitar shop, and there sitting on the counter on a string changing mat was one of the 35 Seymour Duncans.  What a beautiful instrument.  The larrivee made body was beautiful!

You are truly one of the privileged few who will ever see one, let alone play or own one!   :bowdown:

Makes me even more eager to see the Larrivee ________ (Insert model name/number here - we're waiting, Matthew!).  I'm sure it will be just as awesome ... and much more affordable!   :drool:

Quote from: photomat on April 25, 2011, 11:57:04 PM
Bellevue American Music...and no, I did not buy it.  I would buy a coppecastgerr tele reissue first,  if I could only find one  :whistling:

I really should have played it...but then maybe I would have wanted one.  I am so happy with my 3 RS-4's, I would want to try the Larrivee (enter model name and number here) first.

Not trying to tell you what to do Matt, but if you were lucky enough to find someone with a coppercaster you should offer up that T5 12 string in trade.  They would probably jump on it.  Just sayin'.  :wink: :drool:

>>>crickets chirping<<<


Still no pics, updates or specs for these on Larrivee's website.

Matthew, do you have an ETA on these? I've been looking at some other gear (cuz I'm selling a few things), and I dont' want to get my $$ wrapped up in something else if these are going to be available soon (and I'm talkin' 'bout a lefty one, of course!).

Thanks.  :gotpics:

I guess Matthew's staying very busy building these new 'Tele's' (or he's busy trying to come up with a name for them!)...since it's been very quiet around here, and there's still no more info on Larrivee's website.

Someone around here - is it Walkerman? - lives/works close to the Oxnard shop ... we need an update on these, man! And some pics, too!

I'm just sittin' here stewin' about these! It's not like I have the money all saved and ready to go, but I need some motivation to start savin' and stashin' it away...

:arrow :wacko: :whistling: :rolleye:

Mikey how about this for some motivation......THERE IN THE WORKS!!!!

                                          NUFF SAID!!!!!!











:thumb

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on April 20, 2011, 04:28:06 PM
As Markslife points out we know of no name as yet. There are pros and cons to a # BUT if we could name it; what name would you propose :?

Let your creative juices flow :guitar

Visioncaster
Laricaster
Americaster
Larrivee-master


Maybe after some names have been proposed we could have a poll  :doh

Or telecaster + larrivee = Televee  :? :? :?

ARGH!!! I hate long drawn out teasers like this one  :angry: I want my Larrivee "Tele-esque", and I want it Now!  :crying:

Seriously, before I spend my gear funds on some other toy I don't "really" need, just want.  :whistling:

Quote from: tulk1 on May 26, 2011, 09:06:04 AM

Seriously, before I spend my gear funds on some other toy I don't "really" need, just want.  :whistling:

Yeah!!!!!!!!!! What he said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :smile:

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on May 26, 2011, 09:57:14 AM
Yeah!!!!!!!!!! What he said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :smile:

What you BOTH said...I've been getting GAS for a G&L Legacy Special or S-500 (G&L is another company that's fairly friendly to lefty players), cuz it's taking so long for the Larrivee "TS-4" to hit the marketplace!

I asked my dealer about them today. Played an L-03-12R, a P-09LW and a Martin OOO15S. The Larrivées were all lovely. The Martin needed a set up. Anyway, I put my name on the first one he can get. Televée, that is.     

must be near now, did yur Dealer make an enquiry :?

Quote from: ducktrapper on May 26, 2011, 02:06:57 PM
I asked my dealer about them today. Played an L-03-12R, a P-09LW and a Martin OOO15S. The Larrivées were all lovely. The Martin needed a set up. Anyway, I put my name on the first one he can get. Televée, that is.     

Did you request a particular color/stain?

He's going to ask about them. I don't know what colours will be available. I'm thinking sunburst but we'll see.

We no longer have a Larrivee` dealer in town, that I know of. Or I'd be all over them asking "when!!". Can't finger any acoustics, now, either.  :crying:

Please share whatever your dealer finds out.

Quote from: tulk1 on May 27, 2011, 09:13:33 AM
We no longer have a Larrivee` dealer in town, that I know of. Or I'd be all over them asking "when!!". Can't finger any acoustics, now, either.  :crying:

Please share whatever your dealer finds out.

I'll do that. Larrivée dealer here in out of the way Thunder Bay, Music World Academy, has more Larrivées than most big stores in the big towns I've visited. Eight acoustics and two RS-4s at the moment. Nice people. LOTS of guitars and stuff!  

Any word yet Friends :?  :?

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on June 07, 2011, 06:57:39 PM
Any word yet Friends :?  :?

:?

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on June 19, 2011, 12:56:34 PM
:?

Doesn't look like any new responses. Grrr!! My cash is doing a slow disappearing act waiting for this one.

Hmmm, is there a NAMM or some other product debut type show coming up? My guess would be that we'll see it at the next "event" whatever it is.

Quote from: tulk1 on June 19, 2011, 03:23:11 PM
Doesn't look like any new responses. Grrr!! My cash is doing a slow disappearing act waiting for this one.

Hmmm, is there a NAMM or some other product debut type show coming up? My guess would be that we'll see it at the next "event" whatever it is.

You may have something there ....

Summer NAMM is a month away.

Hello from Germany!
:welcome:

Following recently some of your posts regarding the new tele model, that is named TL4, the first 4 units seem to habe been shipped into Germany. 3 of those are still available in the German music store. Have a look here: http://www.musik-minden.de/online-shop/1-elektrische-gitarren/59-larrivee/930-larrivee-tl-4-sunburst
Maybe this information is helpful for you.
Cheers
Uli

pics ....

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(http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh98/SouthpawGuy/Larrivee%20other/lartl4am5.jpg)

Lookin' good !!!

specs

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Swamp Ash Body
Single Piece Maple Neck
Claro Walnut Skunk Strip
Single Action Truss Rod w/ Bullet Nut
Custom "Single Line" hand engraved Klusons
Stainless Steel String Tree
Bone Nut
Tahition Black Mother of Pearl Fretboard Markers
6105 Fretwire
Sprayed Phenolic (Bakelite) Pickguard
All Stainless Steel Screws
Callaham Tele Bridge w/ Intonated Saddles
Seymour Duncan Solderless 250k Liberator Potentiometer
CRL Brand 3-Way Switch
Non-Tradition Les Paul Style input jack plate
Switchcraft 1/4" Jack
Bridge Pickup: Seymour Duncan Custom Shop "Broadcaster"
Neck Pickup: Seymour Duncan Custom Shop "Larrivee" Neck Pickup
*** Available with Duncan SM1 Mini Bucker ***
Ultra comfortable "Tummy Cut"
Cresent "Forearm Cut" for maximum playability
CNC machined fretboard surface w/ Fall-away after the 12th Fret
12" Fretboard Radius

Vintage Paper-in-oil 0.047uf tone capacitor

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Oh man!! That "Natural" has a mini-hum in the neck!! But it's an SD, not a Matthew L. Argh!!! That aside, I'm thinking one like that suburst would look oh. so. nice! on stage right next to the RS4 Charcoal. Switching out from song to song - Larrivee` HB od on one song, TS4 twangy goodness on the next. Ah ................ hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Holy Fender !! :beer

That model name is incorrect, at least for America. In addition the headstock logo has somewhat changed. There will also be different standard colors.

Quote from: Matthew Larrivee on June 21, 2011, 10:10:06 PM
That model name is incorrect, at least for America. In addition the headstock logo has somewhat changed. There will also be different standard colors.

Well do tell:

What is the Model Name :?
When are they available :?
What color options :?
AND  :gotpics:

:cheers

Enquiring minds and all ... oh wait ... I've already spent my guitar money for this year!   :crying:

Sorry to hear that Duck. As for me, I have guitar money burning a hole in my pocket and the GAS has reached a most uncomfortable level! :crying:

Hopefully Matthew fills us in on the details.

(Maybe posts some sound clips??) :nana_guitar

a few other tidbits from the German website:

weight - about 6.4 lbs

price - about $2700.

Subtract the freight and some gross profit and we may see a street price at 2K.

I love the natural grain on these.  Very earthy.  The 'tummy' and 'forearm' cut is interesting...very un-tele like.  Not sure how I feel about that yet, as it's a little too refined for a tele!.  The SD custom 'Larry' neck pick-up, particularly on the amber model, looks intriguing.  Looks like a different neck PU than the others?  I was thinking about saving up for a Creston build, so I'll have to wait to hear one of these first.  Unfortunately, as a lefty, I may have to wait a while to play one!  :crying:  Overall though, I love the addition to the line-up!!!   :thumbsup

Look nice, have an almost new Tokai type headstock design. Good thing I already have a bunch of nice teles but anyways, I don`t buy new guitars anymore and haven`t for some years now...so I`ll just have to wait to see how much they go for used. Any plans to send some to Japan?

Quote from: MC13 on June 22, 2011, 09:17:49 PM
I love the natural grain on these.  Very earthy.  The 'tummy' and 'forearm' cut is interesting...very un-tele like.  Not sure how I feel about that yet, as it's a little too refined for a tele!.  The SD custom 'Larry' neck pick-up, particularly on the amber model, looks intriguing.  Looks like a different neck PU than the others?  I was thinking about saving up for a Creston build, so I'll have to wait to hear one of these first.  Unfortunately, as a lefty, I may have to wait a while to play one!  :crying: 

As for the PUPS has a neck pickup route that will accomodate either a Traditional tele neck pickup or a mini humbucker. You simply need another pickup and a pickguard to change from one to the other (everything is solderless thanks to the Duncan Liberator system).

Re Lefties - Larrivee is very Lefty conscious and I wouldn't be surprised if the L's come out alongside the R's

Quote from: sneaky on June 23, 2011, 04:31:37 AM
Any plans to send some to Japan?

There has always been a seemingly close relationship with Japan and Larrivee so probability is high

So Matthew, now that these are becoming available:

Can we place an order with our local Larrivee dealer (as a lefty, I'll have to do this)?
What are the USA colors?
What is the MSRP in U.S. dollars?

Thanks again!   :nice guitar:

:nanadance :nana_guitar

oh yes, i will own one.  or more than one.

 :drool: :drool: :drool: see my for sale ad{PLEeeeeeeAAASSSEEEE}

Regarding the headstock logo:  What's with the logo trying to copycat the Fender spaghetti script?  Sorry, but that seems very, very cheezy to me (yes, spelled with a z in this case).  Perhaps a better word is 'kitschy'.

Certainly doesn't belong on a guitar that's going to sell for more than what it's copying is selling for.

Put the logo from the top of the page your'e reading on that thing - no shame in that whatsoever.

And why not compensated saddles (I didn't zoom in, but it sure seems like they aren't from the pix)?

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on June 23, 2011, 08:40:31 AM
There has always been a seemingly close relationship with Japan and Larrivee so probability is high

So...you work for Larrivee...or as they say here...Raribee...or are you psychedelic...you know, like that Kreskin guy?

That burst is SCHWEEEEET! It almost makes me want to get a 'lectric.....

Quote from: sneaky on June 24, 2011, 03:30:59 AM

So...you work for Larrivee...or as they say here...Raribee...or are you psychedelic...you know, like that Kreskin guy?

Sneaky I apologize if I misunderstood your seemingly confrontational post BUT I only stated this because of some limited edition Larrivees exclusive only to Japan such as THIS (http://www.kandashokai.co.jp/larrivee/100/mrc_lv10.htm)

i hope these are available like next week!!!

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on June 24, 2011, 11:07:24 AM
Sneaky I apologize if I misunderstood your seemingly confrontational post BUT I only stated this because of some limited edition Larrivees exclusive only to Japan such as THIS (http://www.kandashokai.co.jp/larrivee/100/mrc_lv10.htm)

Relax Joyce, it doesn't come across as confrontational at all...merely an attempt at humor. Some work, some don't....

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on June 24, 2011, 11:07:24 AM
Sneaky I apologize if I misunderstood your seemingly confrontational post BUT I only stated this because of some limited edition Larrivees exclusive only to Japan such as THIS (http://www.kandashokai.co.jp/larrivee/100/mrc_lv10.htm)

Daaaaang ... that thing ain't cheap!!!   :drool:

These will have to be great to prise my G&L ASATs out of my fingers (and priced right)...  :winkin:

Quote from: willguitar on June 25, 2011, 11:52:27 AM
These will have to be great to prise my G&L ASATs out of my fingers (and priced right)...  :winkin:

Looks like they will be priced about $200-300 less than the RS-4's MAP price, but that's based on looking at the German website that's mentioned in the thread in the main (acoustic) Guitar Forum:

http://www.larriveeforum.com/smf/index.php?topic=36945.0

:thumb

And ... it's interesting that there are still no pics of these on the Electric link at Larrivee's website ... oh well ...

It's not on the website, because the guitar has not been released yet :>

The "Bakersfield" will have a retail price of $2398.

Also, as mentioned the headstock logo changed from the photo



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Seemingly confrontational?...what? You know, I don`t tell jokes in my English classes over here anymore because by the time each and every word is dissected by dictionaries it ain`t funny anymore but I thought it was safer with native English speakers...was I wrong?
Yeah, I know about made for Japan only guitars by North American builders...many do that and all three of my Larrivees were bought here...two from the Light series and the OM-01, all purchased a few years ago and there were all kinds of stories floating around the web about the OM-01s at that time...only 100, 600, 1000... and I can`t remember the other numbers... that were tossed around...then the Japanese importer who ordered them cancelled at the last minute yet, I got mine here. I don`t know the real story nor do I care I just know, I love the guitar and it`s waiting for me back home.
Kreskin...wasn`t even psychedelic, or maybe he was as a young man?...but a psychic...no? I thought members may have picked up on that...but maybe I should just stop trying to have fun here too...like my classes in Japan...so OK, from here on out I`ll be real stiff and try not to enjoy myself too much eh...lord knows I get enough practice at that in Japan.

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on June 23, 2011, 08:37:22 AM
As for the PUPS has a neck pickup route that will accomodate either a Traditional tele neck pickup or a mini humbucker. You simply need another pickup and a pickguard to change from one to the other (everything is solderless thanks to the Duncan Liberator system).

Re Lefties - Larrivee is very Lefty conscious and I wouldn't be surprised if the L's come out alongside the R's

I believe JCL is left handed.......might explain that...... :roll

As for the name "Bakersfield"......just lookee what Buck's playing.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17pRDb0Hclw

 "Bakersfield" considering where the guitars are made ( so close to Bakersfield) the style of guitar and I'd assume the tone Larrivee is looking to capture ( Bakersfield Sound) I can't think of a more perfect name. Genius!!!!!!!   :beer

Quote from: Matthew Larrivee on June 25, 2011, 10:48:04 PM
It's not on the website, because the guitar has not been released yet :>

The "Bakersfield" will have a retail price of $2398.

Also, as mentioned the headstock logo changed from the photo

Wonder what it would take to get one with the logo inlaid w/silver or abalone   :guitar

Sneaky - Apparently not that many get my attempts at humour either. In my case it's likely the extra 'u'. Something's always seems lost in translation. Hey! Didn't that take place in Japan?  :laughin:

Quote from: Walkerman on June 26, 2011, 08:15:40 AM
Wonder what it would take to get one with the logo inlaid w/silver or abalone   :guitar

Something tells me that might not be a problem for "the man who has everything". At least, Larrivéewise.   :beer

Quote from: Walkerman on June 26, 2011, 08:15:40 AM
Wonder what it would take to get one with the logo inlaid w/silver or abalone   :guitar

Looking forward to seeing yours already.  :smile:

... and "The Hag" and his band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lx2Iibj7sQ

Quote from: Walkerman on June 26, 2011, 07:53:00 AM
I believe JCL is left handed.......might explain that...... :roll

As for the name "Bakersfield"......just lookee what Buck's playing.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17pRDb0Hclw

Quote from: willguitar on June 26, 2011, 08:44:08 AM
... and "The Hag" and his band.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lx2Iibj7sQ

Think this is one of his best...and it's especially relevant now....it was just ahead of its time....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFHJ41ktt3Q

Love Merle!  Great song! Then again, we could all sing along with Bono. "Socialism for thee but not for me."  :cheers

Having spent my guitar budget for this year (and then some), this is going have to do me in the Larrivée tele department. Matthew thinks it's hideous but it's a killer little axe with a great pickup.



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i will be placing an order as soon as you start taking then!!!  lefty, amber, black pickguard, broadcaster and larrivee custom pickup config.  i'd also like it to have regular pots, i.e. pots requiring solder.  i'm old school like that.  there will probably be a butterscotch in my future, too!!!!  larrivee is bad for my wallet, but sweet to me ears!   :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar :nana_guitar

Quote from: Matthew Larrivee on June 25, 2011, 10:48:04 PM
It's not on the website, because the guitar has not been released yet :>

The "Bakersfield" will have a retail price of $2398.

Also, as mentioned the headstock logo changed from the photo

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on June 26, 2011, 08:22:21 AM
Looking forward to seeing yours already.  :smile:

I dunno...that may be beyond even my reach.

I have notice a number of SD 35's are showing up on ebay....anywhere from $5500-$6000.
Makes the Bakersfield look like a downright bargain....

Quote from: Walkerman on June 26, 2011, 10:22:55 AM
I dunno...that may be beyond even my reach.

I have notice a number of SD 35's are showing up on ebay....anywhere from $5500-$6000.
Makes the Bakersfield look like a downright bargain....

I am so looking forward to comparing with my

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Oh Fender. I have one of those too.

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Quote from: ducktrapper on June 26, 2011, 09:00:15 AM
Love Merle!  Great song! Then again, we could all sing along with Bono. "Socialism for thee but not for me."  :cheers

Having spent my guitar budget for this year (and then some), this is going have to do me in the Larrivée tele department. Matthew thinks it's hideous but it's a killer little axe with a great pickup.

Ducktrapper - at least your's has a proper logo that doesn't look like it's trying to copy the Fender spaghetti script logo and it's equipped with a proper bridge.

Quote from: rockstar_not on June 26, 2011, 04:32:38 PM
Ducktrapper - at least your's has a proper logo that doesn't look like it's trying to copy the Fender spaghetti script logo and it's equipped with a proper bridge.

Yep and I've actually come to like the bird of prey headstock. Also some of the recordings I've made of this guitar are simply smoking. It blows my Fender tele away. My grandson's probably going to inherit the Fender if he shows any interest at all.  :beer   

Quote from: Walkerman on June 26, 2011, 10:22:55 AM
I dunno...that may be beyond even my reach.

I have notice a number of SD 35's are showing up on ebay....anywhere from $5500-$6000.
Makes the Bakersfield look like a downright bargain....

I looked on ebay today and the SD 35' s ranged from $5500 to $10000.   Oh my!   :ohmy:

Mike

I know it has been said before, however I really think it is time for a Forum electric.  How about a "Bakersfield" Forum V. :drool:
It could have "Forum V" on the 12th fret.  How many would be interested?

Mike

Quote from: Cybercanyon on June 27, 2011, 03:59:59 AM
I know it has been said before, however I really think it is time for a Forum electric.  How about a "Bakersfield" Forum V. :drool:
It could have "Forum V" on the 12th fret.  How many would be interested?

Mike

I'd certainly be interested. Can't say I could actually order one. But I'd certainly like to see the possibility.  :thumb

Quote from: Cybercanyon on June 27, 2011, 03:59:59 AM
I know it has been said before, however I really think it is time for a Forum electric.  How about a "Bakersfield" Forum V. :drool:
It could have "Forum V" on the 12th fret.  How many would be interested?

Mike

I'd just like to let the standard ones get "out there" first ... and it looks perfect to me (and my budget) in standard format ... don't think I want to spend even more for a couple special "Forum Guitar" details that won't really impact performance or tone...to each his own though!

Matthew, thanks for the info on price.

Those headstock logos look just like the ones I saw on the German website; I guess my old eyes just aren't sharp enough to distinguish the differences...

BTW, I think my lefty will also be amber with the mini-humbucker at the neck. I like Tele neck pickups, but I don't like the "in-between" tone as much as what I get in between with a humbucker in the neck ... I know ... weird.  :wacko:

P.S. LOVE the "Bakersfield" name! It's perfect!

".....P.S. LOVE the "Bakersfield" name! It's perfect!..."

I wholeheatedly agree....somehow, calling them "The Oxnard" or "The Vancouver" just doesn't have that zing.

Quote from: Walkerman on June 27, 2011, 11:27:53 AM
".....P.S. LOVE the "Bakersfield" name! It's perfect!..."

I wholeheatedly agree....somehow, calling them "The Oxnard" or "The Vancouver" just doesn't have that zing.

Agreed although Fullerton(e)s might be more accurate.

Quote from: Mikeymac on June 27, 2011, 10:41:12 AM
Those headstock logos look just like the ones I saw on the German website; I guess my old eyes just aren't sharp enough to distinguish the differences...

P.S. LOVE the "Bakersfield" name! It's perfect!

Quick and dirty photoshop to show the two headstock logos.



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Quote from: tulk1 on June 27, 2011, 11:51:54 AM
Quick and dirty photoshop to show the two headstock logos.

Nice. I like it.

Quote from: tulk1 on June 27, 2011, 11:51:54 AM
Quick and dirty photoshop to show the two headstock logos.

A little twirly on the L that's the only difference I see. Anything else :?

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on June 27, 2011, 02:33:16 PM
A little twirly on the L that's the only difference I see. Anything else :?

Let's play find six differences! I'll start. One has frets.   :whistling:

Okay, so I thought of another silly question for Matthew - what kind of case will the Bakersfield come with? The big square kind, or one shaped to the guitar's dimensions (like the RS cases)?

Thanks for showing the two headstocks together - I do prefer the 'L' without the curly-que.

I also like seeing the truss rod adjustment on the headstock, like modern Fenders. It is such a pain to unscrew the neck from the body to adjust the truss rod like on vintage style necks!

I hear that Fender is going to come out with L body acoustics.

Sorry, but these things just seem to be a blatant ripoff of a Fender design ... even down to the headstock logo.

What's next? A Larrivee Strat?

Jim

I think this could be more than just a copy. Hopefully it takes the tried and true design/layout and improves on it and offers something different than the standard. 

Quote from: jwsamuel on June 27, 2011, 07:31:40 PM
I hear that Fender is going to come out with L body acoustics.

Sorry, but these things just seem to be a blatant ripoff of a Fender design ... even down to the headstock logo.

What's next? A Larrivee Strat?

Jim

Jim  recall a similar sentiment when the RS 4 was released. Have you tried one :? It really is over the top.  I am confident that Larrivee can do this style real justice not so sure I could say the same of Fender in last quarter century.

What's next :? Semi Solid makes all the sense in the world to me.

Quote from: ducktrapper on June 27, 2011, 03:44:22 PM
Let's play find six differences! I'll start. One has frets.   :whistling:

:laughin:

Quote from: KenHolden on June 27, 2011, 08:05:41 PM
I think this could be more than just a copy. Hopefully it takes the tried and true design/layout and improves on it and offers something different than the standard. 

What's different?

It uses a Tele body style, a Tele style neck, Tele pickups, a Tele bridge and the same control layout as a Fender Telecaster.

For the same price or less, you can get a T-style made by some of the best boutique builders, such as Ron Kirn.

Jim

I agree ...I like the script without the curly-q too...BTW this is the post for people who like the new Bakersfield....if you want to complain go to" goin' down the wrong road" my post I started a few months ago..... :coffee

Quote from: jwsamuel on June 27, 2011, 09:12:56 PM
What's different?

It uses a Tele body style, a Tele style neck, Tele pickups, a Tele bridge and the same control layout as a Fender Telecaster.

For the same price or less, you can get a T-style made by some of the best boutique builders, such as Ron Kirn.

Jim

In that case, my advice would be to not  buy one or buy one from Ron Kirn. Hey, this stuff is easy.

my apologies is this is too agressive, but i this kind of reply is a stupid criticism.  why would i call this stupid?  not to be insulting, but rather because criticism clearly missed the point.  the bakersfield is obviously larrivee's tele offering.  it's not a ripoff.  it's a tele by design and isn't trying to be anything else.  tons of makers besides fender offer tele guitars and have not problem selling them.  these offerings aren;t intended to exercises in originality.  they're offering a standard w/ a few tweaks and the build quality will be second to none which is something i can't say about any fender i've ever owned.

Quote from: jwsamuel on June 27, 2011, 07:31:40 PM
I hear that Fender is going to come out with L body acoustics.

Sorry, but these things just seem to be a blatant ripoff of a Fender design ... even down to the headstock logo.

What's next? A Larrivee Strat?

Jim

Quote from: fritferret on June 28, 2011, 09:19:17 AM
my apologies is this is too agressive, but i this kind of reply is a stupid criticism.  why would i call this stupid?  not to be insulting, but rather because criticism clearly missed the point.  the bakersfield is obviously larrivee's tele offering.  it's not a ripoff.  it's a tele by design and isn't trying to be anything else.  tons of makers besides fender offer tele guitars and have not problem selling them.  these offerings aren;t intended to exercises in originality.  they're offering a standard w/ a few tweaks and the build quality will be second to none which is something i can't say about any fender i've ever owned.

...and it does kinda beg the question, "Why did Seymour Duncan come to LARRIVEE to make his signature guitar instead of going to the original Tele maker (aka, Fender)?

I guess I'm just biased or stupid or something - but I've always been a fan of Larrivee's quality and business ethic. I love my RS-4 and RS-2, and even though I could buy a Fender Tele 52 Reissue (they actually make a production line lefty), I'd rather give my money to Larrivee. (I've owned Fender's in the past, but don't own any right now).

I'm not trying to start a fight here ... just sharing another man's opinion.                             

Quote from: fritferret on June 28, 2011, 09:19:17 AM
my apologies is this is too agressive, but i this kind of reply is a stupid criticism.  why would i call this stupid?  not to be insulting, but rather because criticism clearly missed the point.  the bakersfield is obviously larrivee's tele offering.  it's not a ripoff.  it's a tele by design and isn't trying to be anything else.  tons of makers besides fender offer tele guitars and have not problem selling them.  these offerings aren;t intended to exercises in originality.  they're offering a standard w/ a few tweaks and the build quality will be second to none which is something i can't say about any fender i've ever owned.

Agreed...MOF, the simple fact that G&L started making versions of strats and teles might just argue for the idea that Fender  no longer makes a quality tele or strat.

Youtube clips of the Bakersfield

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-rlKuXjL_I&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgBw1sg_FKY&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

fretting a Bakersfield

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_bE7SClUaM&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

My G A S just got worse watching those YouTube clips, thanks a lot!   :rolleye:

OK, who do I have to kill to get one?    :laughin:

Mike

:nice guitar:

Quote from: SouthpawGuy on June 28, 2011, 06:33:54 PM
Youtube clips of the Bakersfield

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-rlKuXjL_I&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgBw1sg_FKY&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

fretting a Bakersfield

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_bE7SClUaM&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Thanks for that  :beer

No argument that imitating the look and feel of a tele is a good thing to do.  However, copying the logo spaghetti script seems kitschy, however.  Use the logo we all know and love.

-Scott

Must be a sign:

Various artists have been written about on this forum the past couple of weeks. Everytime I start googling for more info on these guys, I usually come up with a picture of them holding a Telecaster - from Pete Anderson to James Mcmurtry. Everywhere I look, I see Telecasters.

There seems to be an alignment of the "stars" - and Larrivee is there, getting ready to ride the wave.

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on June 27, 2011, 08:41:57 PM
Jim  recall a similar sentiment when the RS 4 was released. Have you tried one :? It really is over the top.  I am confident that Larrivee can do this style real justice not so sure I could say the same of Fender in last quarter century.

Doesn't matter if Larrivee can "do this style real justice." They are still copying another company's design -- down to the script on the headstock.

Jim

Quote from: fritferret on June 28, 2011, 09:19:17 AM
my apologies is this is too agressive, but i this kind of reply is a stupid criticism.  why would i call this stupid?  not to be insulting, but rather because criticism clearly missed the point.  the bakersfield is obviously larrivee's tele offering.  it's not a ripoff.  it's a tele by design and isn't trying to be anything else. 

Fender designed the Telecaster. If, as you say, this guitar is "larrivee's tele offering" and "a tele by design," then they are copying Fender's design. Now, please explain how that is "stupid criticism?"

Jim

Quote from: Walkerman on June 28, 2011, 09:47:29 AM
Agreed...MOF, the simple fact that G&L started making versions of strats and teles might just argue for the idea that Fender  no longer makes a quality tele or strat.

FYI....The L in G& L is Leo Fender, who designed the Telecaster and Stratocaster. After he sold Fender, Leo Fender reached an agreement with Fender that allowed him to use the body design but not the headstock design. Also, G&L did not copy the Fender script logo.

Jim

Quote from: robwms on June 29, 2011, 07:36:31 PM
There seems to be an alignment of the "stars" - and Larrivee is there, getting ready to ride the wave.

Ride the wave or trying to take advantage of another company's work?

Jim

Quote from: jwsamuel on June 30, 2011, 01:52:35 PM
FYI....The L in G& L is Leo Fender, who designed the Telecaster and Stratocaster. After he sold Fender, Leo Fender reached an agreement with Fender that allowed him to use the body design but not the headstock design. Also, G&L did not copy the Fender script logo.

Jim

FYI......I was referring to Fender the company, not Fender the man.
So, I guess since they make a D acoustic, Larrivee is stealing Martin's work product.  Sorry, but your argument is old and tired.  Seriously, a patent lasts what....7 years....and the tele has been around what 50 or 60 years? 

Sometime's a design is deamed just right.In the case of the Telecaster in my opinion the perfect design.After that others try to perfect it,in this case that includes Leo Fender.Who by the way was sued way back when because the original G+L headstock resembled the Fender headstock too closely.So what if its a copy body wise,headstock wise and even logo wise.There are version of the tele from Peavey,Heritage and just about every brand from Japan,China and Korea,also many custom builders.I have assemble about 50 or so Tele style guitars.So if Larrivee wants too do this also more power to them.All there doing is what others have...exspand on again IMHO the perfect solid body electric guitar.Do I like everything there doing not really,do I want one,sure do,will I get one not until I move off some of my guitars{Shameless plug without any real shame see my for sale addGibson L7,Larrivee LS09FM and LS10}.

Quote from: unclrob on June 30, 2011, 02:24:36 PM
.......There are version of the tele from Peavey,Heritage and just about every brand from Japan,China and Korea,also many custom builders.I have assemble about 50 or so Tele style guitars...........

:+1: WooHoo for the Heritage mention.  :cheers  My "other" favorite guitar maker. Interesting story about how the H127 came about. Probably not for this thread, tho'.  :whistling:

Quote from: jwsamuel on June 30, 2011, 01:54:00 PM
Ride the wave or trying to take advantage of another company's work?

Jim

I think the Guitar world would be in a very sorry state if this logic was followed. Could you imagine the state of a Tele if it was only left to Fender to produce  :?  I'm certain it would be even further inferior to the current Fender offering. Would be good for Fender tho, just not us mortal musicians. :doh

Quote from: jwsamuel on June 30, 2011, 01:54:00 PM
Ride the wave or trying to take advantage of another company's work?

Jim

more silliness.  what are you talking about?  have you ever seen an acoustic guitar?  have you ever seen acoustic guitar by at least two diff. manufacturers?  yeah, lots of stuff in common and they certainly didn't all come up with the same designs at the same time.  this kind of arugment is so silly i really wonder whether you're just trying to antagonize people or you actually think there's something to the argument.  i hope it's the former because at least that makes some sense.

I understand where Jim is coming from and yes a dread is a dread copy an OM is an OM copy a Tele is a tele copy.BUT sometime's it take's a copy of something old to get a stronger foot in the market.Many Japanesse companies started by making copies look at Ibanez started making perfect copies of American guitars as time went on they introduced there own body style's.

Quote from: Walkerman on June 30, 2011, 02:21:51 PM
So, I guess since they make a D acoustic, Larrivee is stealing Martin's work product.  Sorry, but your argument is old and tired.  Seriously, a patent lasts what....7 years....and the tele has been around what 50 or 60 years? 

Sorry, but the argument against stealing someone else's ideas is not old and tired.

Larrivee developed the L body style. If other companies started selling the L body style, would that be okay?

And seriously, designs are not covered by patents. They are covered by trademarks and they last as long as the company protects its trademark. Fender did not protect the Tele and Strat body shapes, so it is legal to copy them. But legal does not make it right. And legally copying someone else's work is not innovative.

And again, seriously, patents last 14 to 20 years.

Jim

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on June 30, 2011, 07:15:51 PM
Could you imagine the state of a Tele if it was only left to Fender to produce  :?  I'm certain it would be even further inferior to the current Fender offering. Would be good for Fender tho, just not us mortal musicians. :doh

Yes, I can imagine it. What would happen is that other companies would develop their own body styles, which may or may not be better than the Tele. Other companies would innovate instead of just copying the ideas of someone else.

Jim

Quote from: fritferret on June 30, 2011, 07:57:11 PM
have you ever seen an acoustic guitar?  have you ever seen acoustic guitar by at least two diff. manufacturers?  yeah, lots of stuff in common and they certainly didn't all come up with the same designs at the same time. 

It may surprise you but yes, I have seen an acoustic guitar. Now take a look at Larrivee's acoustic guitars in comparison to Martin's. Larrivee have a unique bracing pattern. The L body is Larrivee's unique size. The Larrivee headstock is different. Now look at Taylor. Taylor developed new neck joints, new finishes, etc. Both Jean Larrivee and Bob Taylor took a traditional acoustic guitar and added their own innovations to make unique products. If all Larrivee and Taylor had done was produce Martin copies, would they have done anything unique?

Now look at what Larrivee is doing with the Tele clones. Nothing unique. Nothing that sets them apart from Fender or the dozens of boutique builders who make Tele-style guitars. When there is nothing different about your product, you compete on price. But Larrivee will not be able to compete on price with Tele clones.

Jim

Quote from: tulk1 on June 30, 2011, 05:16:11 PM
:+1: WooHoo for the Heritage mention.  :cheers  My "other" favorite guitar maker. Interesting story about how the H127 came about. Probably not for this thread, tho'.  :whistling:

The only photos I can find of an H127 show a distinctly different axe than a tele - sharing only a resemblance in body style.  They did take the effort to improve on the tele shortcomings (viewed by some as shortcomings).  Sculpted back, more tone controls, tilt-back headstock, proper bridge, etc.

There are only so many good or best designs out there, acoustic or electric and they have already mostly been invented.  The classic designs have been copied over and over again.  If one assumes that this is true then all that's left to do is tweak or evolve or improve on these prototypes.  Guitar manufacturers do this "cloning" all the time, but they have varying objectives.  I think and hope Larrivee's objective in this case is to improve (or maybe re-establish) a classic design's full potential.  Now, one must decide whether or not the price tag is warranted, given there are real Fender Teles out there for less money.

Quote from: rockstar_not on June 30, 2011, 11:02:00 PM
The only photos I can find of an H127 show a distinctly different axe than a tele - sharing only a resemblance in body style.  They did take the effort to improve on the tele shortcomings (viewed by some as shortcomings).  Sculpted back, more tone controls, tilt-back headstock, proper bridge, etc.

What photos show a different guitar?

The photos in this thread show a Tele clone with the traditional three-saddle Tele bridge and the same control layout. I can't see a tilted-back headstock and the photos show it still has string trees. As for the sculpted back, that is available on some Fender Telecaster models if you want it.

Sorry, I don't see any "effort to improve." All Larrivee is doing is producing a high-priced Tele clone.

Jim

Quote from: L07 Shooting Star on July 01, 2011, 01:00:59 AM
I think and hope Larrivee's objective in this case is to improve (or maybe re-establish) a classic design's full potential. 

What have they done that would do as you say?

Just take it for what it is...an attempt by Larrivee to make money by cashing in on another company's successful design.

I wonder how successful this will be. It's not as if the marketplace is clamoring for another Tele clone.

Jim

Quote from: jwsamuel on June 30, 2011, 10:10:37 PM
Sorry, but the argument against stealing someone else's ideas is not old and tired.

Larrivee developed the L body style. If other companies started selling the L body style, would that be okay?

And seriously, designs are not covered by patents. They are covered by trademarks and they last as long as the company protects its trademark. Fender did not protect the Tele and Strat body shapes, so it is legal to copy them. But legal does not make it right. And legally copying someone else's work is not innovative.

And again, seriously, patents last 14 to 20 years.

Jim

trademarks are, well trademarks.  As for the L body...yes it would be OK. A tele "bodyshape" can no more be protected that an SG bodyshape.  Get real.

Quote from: jwsamuel on July 01, 2011, 04:37:25 AM
What have they done that would do as you say?

Jim you have an interesting point of view, it's different points of views and opinions that make this such a wonderful Forum.  :beer It seems you have a weighted interest/knowledge of acoustic guitars versus electric. Someone with the reverse might look at an Larrivee "L " model and think that oh it's just a Martin ripoff and not recognize the difference you pointed out and even once pointed out still are unable to recognize the difference some of which might be somewhat subtle.

I have not yet seen in person the new Tele Style or SD 35 by Larrivee thus I cannot really comment on it tho I extend my experience of the RS 4 by Larrivee. As I mentioned, a few years back the same positions were offered ( maybe some were by you) that this was going to be nothing but a Les Paul ripoff. I have yet to meet an experienced Electric player who has played both that would state this. On the surface it may look something similar to a LP but that's pretty much where it ends. Whether it is better or worse well that's an individual thing. The subtleties like those in an acoustic are the deal-breakers in making a guitar choice.

I suggest you gain some electric experience and give them a whirl worse case scenario you will have a ton of fun in doing so

Sooo keep an open mind c'mon over to the dark side ( electric) and see just how great Larrivee is doing electric guitars as the RS 4 is truly a remarkable guitar

:cheers

Quote from: jwsamuel on July 01, 2011, 04:33:39 AM
What photos show a different guitar?

The photos in this thread show a Tele clone with the traditional three-saddle Tele bridge and the same control layout. I can't see a tilted-back headstock and the photos show it still has string trees. As for the sculpted back, that is available on some Fender Telecaster models if you want it.

Sorry, I don't see any "effort to improve." All Larrivee is doing is producing a high-priced Tele clone.

Jim

Jim,

You need to read through the thread before responding to different individual's posts.  The H127 is a guitar made by Heritage Guitars - someone else on the thread claimed that Heritage had copied a Telecaster - when in fact all that they copied was the body shape - to an extent.  Here's the photos of the H127.  

http://www.heritageownersclub.com/forums/index.php?/gallery/image/2311-86-h127-rescue/

http://www.heritageownersclub.com/forums/index.php?/gallery/image/130-86-h127-kahler/

http://www.heritageownersclub.com/forums/index.php?/gallery/image/136-88-h127/

My point in referring to the H127 of the other post is that it really isn't even close to a Tele copy.  The H127 is something more along the lines of what I would expect from Larrivee, not a thinly veiled knock-off like those that have been shown.

If you chase this whole tele thing back in the forums here, you'll find that there were some pretty strong voices begging Larrivee to make a tele style guitar.  I think the model that has been shown is a reaction to that.

They won't sell thousands or even hundreds of these guitars.  It probably doesn't really even matter to Larrivee.  They are practicing their chops at making various styles of electrics with beauty and build quality almost as an exercise - that's what it appears like to my eyes.  They are generally succeeding by all accounts.

There's nothing wrong with making a Tele style guitar; rather the opposite.  My only complaints is that they are staying too true to some of the Tele's less desirable qualities - like the possiblity of non-compensated 3 saddle piece bridges as being the standard bridge.  They could also do players a favor and sculpt the back of the body - but I'm guessing it will be a copy of the tele slab.

I also can't believe that they are copying the spaghetti script font that Fender uses.  That seems like something a Chinese knock-off manufacturer would do, not our favorite guitar maker.

Check out those H127 photos....

Quote from: rockstar_not on July 01, 2011, 08:05:19 AM
My only complaints is that they are staying too true to some of the Tele's less desirable qualities - like the possiblity of non-compensated 3 saddle piece bridges as being the standard bridge.  They could also do players a favor and sculpt the back of the body - but I'm guessing it will be a copy of the tele slab.

Specs are stating this:
Ultra comfortable "Tummy Cut"
Cresent "Forearm Cut" for maximum playability

My guess from looking at the specs Larrivee is attempting to find that Broadcaster tone that Fender lost so many years ago and the Bridge is integral in capturing that.

Jim, taking your argument to its logical conclusion, all guitar (car, furniture, appliance, shoe etc.) shapes belong  to someone, therefore (eventually) no one else should ever be allowed to make another guitar (car, furniture, appliance, shoe etc.). That was basically the position held by the guilds in Europe that drove, among others, the first CF Martin to America. It's totalitarian absurdity and ridiculous to boot. There is just no practical way to control that process. Besides, just as with a person, there is more to a guitar than its shape and we are all better off without that sort of thinking.
 
Secondly, if I write a song, it becomes my actual property. You can't take my song (or the actual guitar I wrote it on) and call it yours but, as we see in country and folk music, you can write thousands of songs just like it and there's nothing anyone can do about it. IMHO that's a good thing.    

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on July 01, 2011, 08:17:46 AM

Specs are stating this:
Ultra comfortable "Tummy Cut"
Cresent "Forearm Cut" for maximum playability

My guess from looking at the specs Larrivee is attempting to find that Broadcaster tone that Fender lost so many years ago and the Bridge is integral in capturing that.

Joyce - thanks for pointing that out - I missed it in the intial photos back a few pages - but sure enough, the sculpting is there.  Also buried in the details shows that the saddles ARE compensated - so now I'm down to the kitschy copy of the spaghetti script font as the complaint - pretty minor!

-Scott

Quote from: Walkerman on July 01, 2011, 07:36:43 AM
A tele "bodyshape" can no more be protected that an SG bodyshape.  Get real.

Guitar body designs, just like any other design, can be trademarked.

Fender has trademarked its headstock design. No one else can make an exact duplicate without a license from Fender. The only reason others can make a Tele style body is because Fender did not register and protect it correct. If you think the SG body shape cannot be protected, try making and selling an SG clone. You'll have Gibson coming after you pretty quickly. They have done it to others in order to protect the SG design trademark.

Body designs can be protected. Get real.

Jim

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on July 01, 2011, 07:57:39 AM
It seems you have a weighted interest/knowledge of acoustic guitars versus electric.

My interest comes as someone who works with intellectual property and trademarks every day.

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on July 01, 2011, 07:57:39 AMSomeone with the reverse might look at an Larrivee "L " model and think that oh it's just a Martin ripoff and not recognize the difference you pointed out and even once pointed out still are unable to recognize the difference some of which might be somewhat subtle.

Here's something to think about. Martin developed the dreadnought body style. If Martin had taken the proper steps to protect its design, Martin could have blocked every other guitar maker from making dreadnought guitars without paying for a license to make dreadnoughts. Similarly, other companies can make replacement necks for Fender guitars with the real Fender headstock shape because they have purchased a license to do so from Fender. As for Larrivee's L body, I do not know if Larrivee has trademarked and protected the design. If it has, Larrivee could block any other company from making an L body acoustic guitar. Similarly, if Larrivee trademarked its headstock shape and logo, it could prevent other companies from copying those too.

An interesting side note: Martin announced about two weeks ago that it has filed for trademark protection for its headstock shape. If it is successful, Martin would be able to stop other manufacturers from using the same headstock shape.

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on July 01, 2011, 07:57:39 AMSooo keep an open mind c'mon over to the dark side ( electric) and see just how great Larrivee is doing electric guitars as the RS 4 is truly a remarkable guitar

I have no doubt that the Larrivee electrics are fine guitars. All I am saying is that the Bakersfield is a copy of a Fender Telecaster and does not represent any innovation by Larrivee. It only represents a desire to make profit by copying someone else's design.

Jim

Quote from: JOYCEfromNS on July 01, 2011, 08:17:46 AM
My guess from looking at the specs Larrivee is attempting to find that Broadcaster tone that Fender lost so many years ago and the Bridge is integral in capturing that.

So they are not only copying Fender's body design and headstock logo, they are copying the Fender tone too.

What's wrong with developing your own designs and tone?

Jim

Quote from: rockstar_not on July 01, 2011, 02:32:16 PM
Joyce - thanks for pointing that out - I missed it in the intial photos back a few pages - but sure enough, the sculpting is there.  Also buried in the details shows that the saddles ARE compensated - so now I'm down to the kitschy copy of the spaghetti script font as the complaint - pretty minor!

Fender has long sold Telecasters with sculpted bodies and tummy cuts.

Fender has also long sold bridges with compensated saddles.

Jim

Quote from: rockstar_not on July 01, 2011, 02:32:16 PM
Also buried in the details shows that the saddles ARE compensated
-Scott

I am excited about The Bridge (http://www.callahamguitars.com/brdge_T.htm)   :drool:

Quote from: ducktrapper on July 01, 2011, 10:05:56 AM
Jim, taking your argument to its logical conclusion, all guitar (car, furniture, appliance, shoe etc.) shapes belong  to someone, therefore (eventually) no one else should ever be allowed to make another guitar (car, furniture, appliance, shoe etc.).

Yes, all designs do belong to someone and should not be copied. There is a reason that General Motors does not try to compete with the Toyota Camry by just producing an exact copy of the Camry. They can't do so because Toyota would be all over them. You can only buy Nike shoe designs from Nike. If you want to buy from New Balance, you buy New Balance designs. Try introducing your own exact copy of the Mac OS X operating system. Guitars, like all other products, are designed by people who put their work and effort into developing those designs.

Jim

i think jim is just here to piss in the pool.  who the hell cares that larrivee didn't invent the tele body style?  even fender doesn't care.  if they did, they'd sue.  i can't count the number of builder offering tele guitars that all do it BETTER than fender.  i've owned severl fenders over the years and out of all of the guitars i've owned, they were the worst.

i think the best thing to do is just to ignore these arguments and focus enjoy the bakersfield!

I think the underlying argument or point that some folks are making about a Larrivee Tele copy is this: There are MANY companies, including a number of "high end" custom builders who are making Tele copies, so this is not unique to Larrivee, either as a 'sin' or an 'opporunity,' depending on your point of view.

Larrivee happens to be making (what many of us believe will be) a quality Tele-style guitar at a price point that we are willing to pay for to own. I've owned Fender guitars, and they were all nice instruments. My biggest gripe with Fender is that they make very few options for left-handed players like me, and in recent years, as the number of models they've offered has increased exponentially (mostly rip-off's of their own Tele and Strat designs, btw), the number of their lefty offerings has continued to DECREASE.

My response to this decision by Fender not to expand their left-handed offerings in proportion to their right-handed offerings is for me to spend my money elsewhere. So I have about 7-8 Warmoth guitars I've built in order to get what Fender refuses to build for me (unless I go to their custom shop and spend at least $2,500-$3,500).

My other response is to reward companies like Larrivee with my business when they will make me the very same instruments that they make for right-handed players, without exception and without an upcharge.

This is how business works; you get to choose where to spend your money based on your satisfaction with the products various businesses provide.

Works for me.

...and I understand your arguments about trademarks.

Yes, Fender did protect their headstock (finally) but not their body shapes. Gibson has protected their body shapes (along with their "open book" headstock shape), therefore every LP or SG copy you see is slightly different from a "real" LP or SG. I'm not sure about 335's - seems some of the copies get very close to the real thing...

...interesting sidebar: my necks from Warmoth all have the licensing stamp on the butt/heel, but the bodies do not. And I've noticed that the forearm cut on my Warmoth Strat bodies is at a slightly different angle than it is on the real Fenders I've owned...so they're not EXACT body copies. My Tele thinline body does seem to be the exact same shape, but I've never eye-balled it with a 'real' Fender Tele.

I don't suppose now would be a good time to post pics of some ASATs ?  :humour:

Another lefty here, there seems to be lots of lefties interested in Larrivee teles,( wonder why that is ?).

It will be interesting to see how they stack up against other teles, both Fender and the smaller builders, of which there are many to choose from. I don't think anyone doubts they will be good, what we'd all like to know is just how good. That part might take a few weeks or months, at that point some members will have played or bought one.

Until then we'll all have ants in our pants thinking about it  :nanadance

Quote from: fritferret on July 01, 2011, 03:58:48 PM
i think jim is just here to piss in the pool.  who the hell cares that larrivee didn't invent the tele body style?  even fender doesn't care.  if they did, they'd sue.

Fender does care and has taken other companies to court over the body styles but lost because they waited too long to protect the company's designs. They do sue today over the headstock design. As for Larrivee, it bothers me that instead of being innovative and creating their own guitars, they are taking the easy way out and making copies.

Quote from: fritferret on July 01, 2011, 03:58:48 PM
  i can't count the number of builder offering tele guitars that all do it BETTER than fender.  i've owned severl fenders over the years and out of all of the guitars i've owned, they were the worst.

I agree..there are many builders who make better Teles than Fender. So why does the world need another?

Jim

Quote from: jwsamuel on July 01, 2011, 07:25:55 PM
Fender does care and has taken other companies to court over the body styles but lost because they waited too long to protect the company's designs. They do sue today over the headstock design. As for Larrivee, it bothers me that instead of being innovative and creating their own guitars, they are taking the easy way out and making copies.


I agree..there are many builders who make better Teles than Fender. So why does the world need another?

Jim

:yawn

Quote from: jwsamuel on July 01, 2011, 07:25:55 PM

I agree..there are many builders who make better Teles than Fender. So why does the world need another?

Jim

Jim,

Because I already have a 20 year "relationship" with Larrivee, I'm interested in continuing to support them/buy their guitars when they make something that meets my musical criteria...that's all. Yes, there are other companies, like G&L (and I'm very interested in their Legacy Special), but I trust Larrivee based on past experience - with both acoustics and electrics - so I'm willing to continue buying their stuff and keeping them in business. It's really that simple.

The headstock copyright thing evidently does not apply in Asia `cause there are lots of makers using both US big two headstocks...bodies as well...maybe they can only protect that in North America because if they could have done something about it they would have by now I think...and yeah I have read about the law suit guitars but as far as I know that was for guitars coming into North America. Seymour Duncan guitars are one example...his line made by ESP and sold in Japan used the Fender headstock but the new anniversary line does not and is sold over there...haven`t seen any in Japan yet. Not ALL Japanese makers use the Big Two headstock, some have their own designs. Not that it matters to me I buy guitars that I like, just that copyright was mentioned in the thread...
and just for fun I was reading in the paper yesterday...the Japanese are upset because the Chinese have copied the Japanese bullet train designs...catch that?...the Japanese are upset over somebody copying their designs...ironic ain`t it?

Since many companies didn't register there name or anything  in China some Chinesse companies have.Now there is a Martin Co.with a very good copy of there logo and Gibson and other brands being produced under those name's for sale world wide.
As for the Larrivee Tele and the the desire to produce a copy of it for whatever reason is there's.The bridge design based on the orig. wasn't designed by them but an independent builder of Tele copies.For the desire for that particular sound many have tried and many have failed including Fender,even though they brought back the person who wound the original pu's.The guitar is different enough with the pu choice's that come from how many Tele players mod'd there own.
So lets all lighten up a little and enjoy the different points of veiw its getting a bit harsh. :smile:

Quote from: jwsamuel on July 01, 2011, 03:49:52 PM
Yes, all designs do belong to someone and should not be copied. There is a reason that General Motors does not try to compete with the Toyota Camry by just producing an exact copy of the Camry. They can't do so because Toyota would be all over them. You can only buy Nike shoe designs from Nike. If you want to buy from New Balance, you buy New Balance designs. Try introducing your own exact copy of the Mac OS X operating system. Guitars, like all other products, are designed by people who put their work and effort into developing those designs.

Jim

Well, you are stubbornly entrenched and actually haven't bothered to address what I actually said so  ... toodle-oo, kangaroo.

Quote from: jwsamuel on July 01, 2011, 03:49:52 PM
Yes, all designs do belong to someone and should not be copied. There is a reason that General Motors does not try to compete with the Toyota Camry by just producing an exact copy of the Camry. They can't do so because Toyota would be all over them. You can only buy Nike shoe designs from Nike. If you want to buy from New Balance, you buy New Balance designs. Try introducing your own exact copy of the Mac OS X operating system. Guitars, like all other products, are designed by people who put their work and effort into developing those designs.

Jim

OS X no, but how many folks are now making phones that are copies of the iphone?  How many folks now make tablets like the ipad, and how many folks are making mp3 players like the ipod.  Your argument just doesn't hold water.  Do you work for fender?

Quote from: sneaky on July 01, 2011, 10:09:42 PM
and just for fun I was reading in the paper yesterday...the Japanese are upset because the Chinese have copied the Japanese bullet train designs...catch that?...the Japanese are upset over somebody copying their designs...ironic ain`t it?

"What goes around comes around."

"All my life's a circle,
sunrise and sundown..."
H. Chapin

Quote from: jwsamuel on July 01, 2011, 07:25:55 PM
Fender does care and has taken other companies to court over the body styles but lost because they waited too long to protect the company's designs. They do sue today over the headstock design. As for Larrivee, it bothers me that instead of being innovative and creating their own guitars, they are taking the easy way out and making copies.


I agree..there are many builders who make better Teles than Fender. So why does the world need another?

Jim

nope, fender doesn't care.  but more particularly, the law isn't on their side.  headstocks are a different story.  and the question isn't why do we need another tele, it's doesl arrivee want to make one.  the obvious answer is yes.  if larrivee WANTED to design an original, they could.  anyone can.  designing a guitar shape isn't hard.  building it is and building it into a fine instrument is, but just coming up w/ a shape isn't.  in this one instance, they chose to go w/ a time tested classic design of their choosing.  there's nothing wrong w/ that. it's exactly what they wanted to do. it's their decision to make.  again, it's just stupid to criticize a company for successfully doing what they intended to do.    this isn't a failed attempt at originality.  it is what it is designed to be: a tele w/ a few tweaks.  this is just one guitar in a growing line of electrics.  i'm particularly interested in a larrivee tele because i know they'll make all options available to us lefties and matthew builds an exceedingly fine instrument.  moreover, i don't want a fender guitar or any other tele style guitar i've seen or played.  been their done that.  i am however very interested in buying a larrivee tele.  i bet i'm not alone.

this will be my last reply on this particular subject.  if there were a substantive argument, maybe, but i still think this is just pool pissing.

Quote from: fritferret on July 02, 2011, 11:16:41 AM
if larrivee WANTED to design an original, they could.

I believe the RS-4 and RS-2 are proof enough of that.

Ironically, when I ordered these guitars (through my local mom 'n' pop dealer), the store manager told me it was an excellent guitar, BUT IT WOULDN'T SELL IN SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS BECAUSE IT ISN'T A LES PAUL CLONE. He went on to say that, unfortunately, he would sell 20 inferior Les Paul's (at the same or higher price) for every RS-4 because that's what guitar players want ... the same old designs.

So, Jim, while some of us (present company included, see my guitar list below) will try - and buy - new designs, we're part of that small minority. The majority want the traditional (some would say tried and true) designs/instruments, so that's what companies build.

The only other thing I can think of that Larrivee could do to be different with their Bakersfield would be to make it a set-neck (like the Heritage that someone posted about here earlier), but they've chosen to stick with the traditional ("tried and true") design this time around. And I think it's good - it shows that Larrivee can build a great set neck AND a great bolt-neck guitar, and we all know they also built great neck-through electric guitars in the '80's.

Quote from: Walkerman on July 02, 2011, 09:15:04 AM
OS X no, but how many folks are now making phones that are copies of the iphone?

None. All other smart phones use their own operating systems. Coincidentally, Apple and Samsung are now suing each other over copying each others work.

Quote from: Walkerman on July 02, 2011, 09:15:04 AMHow many folks now make tablets like the ipad,

None. The other tablets use different operating systems. Apple was not the first to make tablet computers. Hewlett Packard and Toshiba made some five or six years ago.

Quote from: Walkerman on July 02, 2011, 09:15:04 AMand how many folks are making mp3 players like the ipod.  Your argument just doesn't hold water. 

No one is making mp3 players like the iPod. BTW, the iPod was not the first mp3 player.

Quote from: Walkerman on July 02, 2011, 09:15:04 AMDo you work for fender?

Nope, but I do appreciate intellectual property.

Jim

Quote from: fritferret on July 02, 2011, 11:16:41 AM
and the question isn't why do we need another tele, it's doesl arrivee want to make one.  the obvious answer is yes.  if larrivee WANTED to design an original, they could.  anyone can.  designing a guitar shape isn't hard.  building it is and building it into a fine instrument is, but just coming up w/ a shape isn't.

Thank you for supporting my side of this argument.

Larrivee wants to make a Tele copy because it is an easier way to get cash.

Thanks again.

Jim

Quote from: jwsamuel on July 02, 2011, 06:19:00 PM
None. All other smart phones use their own operating systems. Coincidentally, Apple and Samsung are now suing each other over copying each others work.

None. The other tablets use different operating systems. Apple was not the first to make tablet computers. Hewlett Packard and Toshiba made some five or six years ago.

No one is making mp3 players like the iPod. BTW, the iPod was not the first mp3 player.

Nope, but I do appreciate intellectual property.

Jim

Now you are being obtuse and misrepresenting what I posted.  I specifically began my post saying the OS X NO, but....I don't know what your agenda is, but I won't continue on with someone who lies about what I posted.  Toodle-do kangaroo (Duck...sorry to steal your intellectual property, but I did modify it a bit).  Time for ignore.