First, you guys are awesome! The whole Yarrow guitar thing was incredible: a very cool community effort.
Now on to my post...
Curious how many of you lead worship with your Larry's. Seems like there's a number of you out there. Where do you lead, and what do you play?
I typically use my C-10 Deluxe(with mic...no pickup yet,still experimenting).Our church band consists of keyboard,bass,electric drums,and my acoustic.
We play alot of choir stuff,such as Brooklyn Tab,Mark Conden,Hillsong,Carman,and other arrangements.Occasionally we do an older hymn,which I really enjoy as I love to sing the old songs as well as the newer stuff.MY Larrivee really shines when playing those old songs.
Ron
Greetings, I am a soon to be Larivee owner as I have an OM-3r in route and due to arrive this Thursday. I'm really looking forward to using it in a worship setting. I currently lead worship at a home group setting alternating weeks at a Vineyard Fellowship. As such, I do mostly Vineyard songs but I tend to do alot of songs that lend themselves to fingerstyle picking and some (limited) chord melodies. I currently use a older Martin d18 (great strummer) and a Taylor 314 but think the "larry" is going to be perfect for worship because of its great tone and versatility for flat picking and fingerstyle.
-Larry (really thats my name)
Actually, I was going to ask how many of you folk do not play worship music. It seems that there are a very significant number of worship players/leaders out there with Larrivees. It's not a bad thing, quite the contrary, but just a bit of a surprise to me.
How many of you sit at home working out tunes, cursing, crying, wondering why your fingers don't work, never playing them in front of anyone? (That's my demographic.) ;)
Paolo
Well Paolo I sit and curse at my fingers but I also lead worship at my church sometimes when the Head dude is out of town or something and I use the J-10.
Just so everyone knows he is letting me use it for as long as I want cause I told him that I need to play it. I am hoping he will be very benevolent in his old age and just give the guitar back to me but I'll use it while I can. Oh by the way I put the K&K pure western mini in that thing and oh my gosh it sounds freaking sweet. Bout crapped my pants in the middle of a worship song. :)
I don't do the worshop thing{we won't go there this time}I play about an hour a nite yelling at my hands all the time knowing its my falling brain.I get together with Pastour J,Koamon and a civil enginneer and his son thursday nites for drinks and Fun.My pastour bud calls me the devil,which makes Koamon who is a public defender,
the devil advocate,and everyone needs a civil person to enginneer things,and we all need someone to lean on his son. :D
I lead worship in a small country church outside of Richmond. The ensemble consists of my g/f and myself with my L10. I mostly play p/w but like to throw old hymns in now and again.
Chris
As my profile says, my wife & I lead praise & worship for the kids in our church. We do music and then there's a skit every week. The skits involve characters at KCRG broadcasting (Know God, Choose well, Reach out, Go Tell). There's a set built around the KCRG theme.
Anyway, my wife gets the kids engaged with motions/dancing/aerobics. I lead the band. We have a drummer, bass, acoustic and me. I play either my Music Man (which has a piezo pickup, so I can play both acoustic & electric or either), or one of my acoustics (some weeks I just don't feel like carting the electric gear in :lol: ). I use my J-05 for alternate tunings (like David Crowders stuff E-A-E-E-B-E) and for when I'm going to do major strumming. I alternate my Avalon & Taylor for the other acoustic stuff. We do lot's of rocking stuff, with a good number of Passion worship choruses.
We do 3 services every week, with probably 300+ kids in all. It's a blast.
I play with our church band. Since I am the pastor of the church, they LET me play - kind of a sympathy thing! (Haha) They are all a LOT better musicians than I am, but I love it! We use a combination of Christian and secular music depending on the theme of the day. Our worship set for Sunday included:
Only A God Like You
Beautiful One
I Could Sing Of Your Love Forever
Here I Am To Worship
He Knows My Name
It's a joy to play every week!
Cool thread...
I let our worship leader use my lovely D-09E for our band, which is standard rock style: drums, elec, acoustic, keys, and vocals. I use a Baggs PADI which cuts really well through the mix. We play a lot of Chris Tomlin and Hillsongs, being that we are college group and like to stay up with the current stuff. However, I do wish we'd play more hymns, I love them. Esp. the cool versions, like Crowder's Come Thou Fount and Charlie Hall's "How Great Thou Art" and "Joyful Joyful We Adore Thee".
I'm part of the college group at a Korean American church in north Los Angeles called "All Nations Church" (yeah, we're mostly Korean American, but strive to reach "all the nations").
We've had David Crowder play at our church (seems like a lot of Korean Americans like him) and plan on having DCB and Chris Tomlin next year...I can't wait...
Keep using Larrys for worship! hehe...but honor and worship God above all else (so hard to do when you have GAS...jk!)
I'm involved with the worship using an OMV-10E. Our set for last Sunday was...
I am a new creation :o
Praise him you heavens
Above all powers
Show me the way of the cross
Jesus all for Jesus
:)
I forgot, there's a short video clip, to give you an idea of our time with the kids, if you're interested:
http://www.northmetro.org/kids_kcrg_checkout.php (http://www.northmetro.org/kids_kcrg_checkout.php)
Wow Bing! You guys are really polished! I play in the praise band at First Presbyterian in Great Falls, and we are lucky if we can get everyone a mic that works! I play guitar (usually a Larrivee) and sing, and we have another guitar player, a drummer, piano player (used to be keyboard player, until it died), and a couple of young singers. It is fun, but we are light years from your setup. Our church was slow to accept the praise band, but now we have two services, one for traditional and one for praise. During the summer we did combined services, and unfortunately we had more than one aged congregation member get up and leave during our songs, saying "TOO LOUD!". Hopefully we'll become more accepted by the older parishoners. Jason
I do worship music, but Jewish stuff... It's contemporary Reform movement stuff (think Summer Camp), alot of it is based on 60s folk music. Our congregation is pretty progressive, we meet in a renovated barn while we are raising money to have our own building. I used to use my OM03R, but that has been recently designated the DADGAD guitar, so my Martin D16H is taking over (until I get the courage to take my Santa Cruz OM/PW out of the house) I don't use any mics/amplification since the space has great acoustics and isn't that big.
Great question!
I play in a folk group @ church, which usually consists of two guitarists, a bassist, keyboards, and piano, sometimes violin. I had been playing my OM9 as my main guitar, but since I've gotten an I-beamn installed in my P09-koa, that has been getting a lot of playing time.
Andy
I play my K&K equipped D03BW in a praise band on a regular basis. I also give equal time to my Ovation, which sounds as good plugged in, if not better at times, than my Larrivee. (ducks to dodge tomatos). Our group is me on acoustic/vox, another guy on an a Martin/vox. 3 girls on vox. And a djembe/conga/whatever he can get his hands on player. I love to play p&w music...it's about all I do anymore.
I agree...this is a great thread!!
I mostly sing with the band and with our traditional choir, though I may rarely stand in the back and strum the D-09 along with the band. Our worship leader plays a Guild jumbo (don't remember the model but it's all-solid wood with spruce top and maple b/s). It sounds great. Other usual instruments are piano, keyboard, drum, violin, mandolin, electric guitar, and electric bass.
We play most of the stuff that's already been mentioned. My church is Southern Baptist. Most of the older members enjoy piano and organ hymns, but some also enjoy the contemporary stuff. This is a college town, so there are many, many younger people in our membership. It's a great thing to be in the music ministry in our church because we have three Sunday morning services. The earliest is with traditional music and the choir. The other two are with the band and the contemporary music. As a member of both the praise band and the choir, I have the pleasure of experiencing it all!!!
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QuoteWow Bing! You guys are really polished
I'd like to take credit for the sound track, but I can't :P . That's our main worship leader and the main worship band. His daughter sings on the song. He is a professional musician, in addition to being the worship leader. He's done guitar work for numerous artists (Boys to Men is the one that comes to mind, but many others as well). He also used to run a recording studio.
We're not in the same league, but we're loud :lol: . We actually led the main service a couple of months ago. We're supposed to get a CD with video. When I get it, I'll try to post a short clip.
QuoteOur church was slow to accept the praise band, but now we have two services, one for traditional and one for praise. During the summer we did combined services, and unfortunately we had more than one aged congregation member get up and leave during our songs, saying "TOO LOUD!".
I've been there, believe me. We still get some parents in that say it's too loud, but I tell them we're not playing for them. :D
I started this thread, but I didn't say what I do...
I'm a campus pastor at University of Nebraska. We have a congregation of about 200 that meets on saturday night & sunday morning. We do mostly upbeat contemporary--Crowder/Tomlin, Vineyard/Redman, et al--with a few hymns. We use guitar, bass, roland v-drums, keys, djembe & conga with a "chorus line" ( :D )of 3-4 vocalists.
I use my Larry L09 for aggressive rhythm stuff with a Baggs IMix, and an SD50 for the fingerpicking/light rhythm with a Baggs M1/Trinity pure western combo in stereo.
The sound of my Larry's plugged in is so good, that I rarely play my Goodall live. Go figure! B)
As a beginner, I just pray that I someday will be blessed with enough talent to play praise and worship on my Larrivee! Not necessarily to join the P/W team at church -- mostly for my own private devotions.
My most favorite is Don Moen's "I Will Sing!"
I also like "At the Cross" and "Who Am I?"
:D
I play guitar in the worship band at Kent Island UMC in Stevensville MD. I play a Larrivee D-09. I also play guitar on a lot of Emmaus and Chrysalis weekends - for that I use my Guild...I'M NOT PLAYING MY D-09 OUT IN THE WEATHER!!!!!!...my wife is the worship leader and we have myself, my wife, two more vocals, keyboard, drums and bass. We have fooled around with recording a couple of songs...i put them out on nowhereradio.com and the band name is Ransomed.
QuoteI also like ... "Who Am I?"
:D
I've been to see Casting Crowns a couple of times. I love their music and their heart.
Pastor Chuck - I love those songs! Especially "I could sing of his love forever"
QuoteAs a beginner, I just pray that I someday will be blessed with enough talent to play praise and worship on my Larrivee! Not necessarily to join the P/W team at church -- mostly for my own private devotions.
I was in the same boat several years ago. Though I was a pretty accomplished rock player, I really couldn't get the hang of p&w music. There really is a difference. I just wanted to tell you to hang in there and don't give up. When I started I was surrounded by such talented people that intimidated the sox off of me. They are all gone now, doing other things, and I was left with the job that most of them were doing. Strange how that happens. It will likely happen to you one day too, if you stick with it.
Great Thread!
Can you guys please also state the Pickups you are using.
I just changed church, and I lead worship for college group service. Hmm... about 6 members, but with sanctuary being rather big, I need to plug in.
It's sad, we have Bass, key board, electric guitar, drum, extra acoutic guitar JUST SITTING THere, because no one knows how to play them. Right now it's me leading with guitar and a lady playing the piano. Try playing Crowder/tomblin with just guitar and piano. :lol: It's all good, I am sure Lord appreciateds our music just as much as Bing's.
And yes, I am trying to teach the members to use some of the instruments.
Going back to the main question, I use L-05 right now with Rare Earth Humbuckers, but thinking of switching to Rosewood or maybe a Dread.
We like to do a lot of Steve Bell for contemplative type stuff, and are working on some Shawn McDonald material right now. Some very good tunes on Simply Nothing, especially Beautiful. Not very hard to play either. Singing like Shawn is another matter....
We play contemporary worship music...Micahel W. Smith, Tim hughes, Delirious?, David Crowder, 100 Portraits, etc.
QuoteTry playing Crowder/tomblin with just guitar and piano. :lol: It's all good, I am sure Lord appreciateds our music just as much as Bing's.
And yes, I am trying to teach the members to use some of the instruments..
Absolutely He does! I never really did much band stuff until a few years ago. Mostly I played/sang solo.
Not only do we get to share with the kids, but I've also be able to pull some teenagers into the band. It allows them to use and shape their gifts.
We rotated through several bass players. I would always have to call and find someone who was free to play. But, we had one 8th grade boy who was just starting out. He wasn't close to our other bass players in his skill level, but he ALWAYS wanted to play. So, I made him the full time bass player. I told him he was the man and to let me know when he couldn't play. That was about a year and 1/2 ago. The progress this guy has made is AMAZING. He has become an acomplished bass player. Anyway, that kind of stuff in very satisfying to me.
I engineer services primarily, but I do get out in front of the desk on occasion for smaller retreat events. I draw mainly from the Passion catalog and the hymnal, although Charlie Peacock has a compilation out that I may end up lifting from.
I've met Bing and I know Sonny well. The great thing about their system (at least in the main room) is that it's not fatiguing to listen to. You can run a consistent 105 dB and be perfectly comfortable over extended periods. Still makes me smile every time I walk in. But if someone's not complaining about volume, you're not putting enough in.
Concert performance, whether it's in a worship context or no, is something visceral that ought to physically envelop you. It's the difference between leaning into the wind because you know it will support you, and leaning in because you're straining to understand someone.
My spare change.
Michael
QuoteBut if someone's not complaining about volume, you're not putting enough in.
A man after my own heart! :lol: BTW, Sonny is our main worship leader. I'm always telling Sonny he should turn it up a little more, but his thoughts are that if he's getting equal complaints on both sides of the volume issue, he must be about right.
I love the music at Northpoint Community Church is the north suburbs of Atlanta. They gear everything they do to be culturally relevant (and the volume does get pretty loud). If someone wants something a little more traditional, they make no bones, that's not what they do. There are other churchs that do that. The thing is, they started with that vision in mind, so they're not upsetting folks who started the church 50 years ago.
i play a lot on our worship team at church with my D-60 and hopefully with an OM-05ve soon!!! we play a lot of Brian Doerksen, Third Day, Vineyard standards, Michael W. Smith, Chris Tomlin, i like to sneak in the odd David Crowder....
i play with two other guitarists (plus the backing band) on our worship team that rotate in every so often....one plays a D-03e and the other plays a Duncan (JA Duncan Guitars) Jay worked at the Larrivee factory in British Columbia before starting his own company.....the guitars are quite nice, great craftsmanship and tone
sunday set included:
lord reign in me
did you hear the mountains tremble?
-some song i can't remember.....- let's call it a musical interlude
i want to know you
your love oh lord
in the secret
love the thread!! have a good one!
I play in a Roman Catholic church (not a religion known for their praise and worship), but our church kicks butt on it's music ministry and has eight or nine different choirs. The folk group plays mostly traditional hymns, with some of the newer stuff by unknown monks (I think). However, a good portion of the songs really were never meant to be played on a guitar and they go through some really awful chord changes on each beat. If I never see another minor 7th flatted 13th chord again and have to guess just how it's fretted in a nano second, my life will be complete. I use I-beams in my Larrivee's, and my Tacoma has the LR Baggs E6 system. I'm thinking of getting an I-Beam Classic for my Breedlove SN20. As a preamp I use the LR Baggs Gigpro then into the church's mixer.
Again, this is one of the better threads in a while.
Andy
Sacredground,
I'm just up the road from you in Omaha - our church is literally between Gretna and Elkhorn just off 180th and Q streets: Living Faith UMC. I'm the pastor, and, right now by default, the worship leader. We have Roland drums, keyboard, acoustic and electric guitars (I usually play electric), congas, and several singers. We plug the acoustics into a couple of Acoustasonic Jr.s and then run a line out to the board.
Did you get your Larrivee from Jim Nipper at Acoustic Music Plus in Lincoln? I bought both my Larrivees from Jim, the first one 12-13 years ago when his shop was in Omaha.
When I play acoustic, I can choose from three guitars, my two Larrivees, and a new Ovation L777 (lefty 1777 Legend); but I just had to ship the Ovation back to the factory; it's only two months old, and the ebony fingerboard started to crack up the middle! Besides, the Larrys both sound excellent either unplugged (which the O doesn't!) or plugged in. After this experience with the O, I wish I would have never ordered it; I could have had a Larrivee Forum guitar instead!!!
Our set last Sunday was:
All Hail the Power of Jesus' Name (hymncharts version)
Above All (powers...)
Shout to the Lord
Lead Me, Lord (from the UM hymnal, but a great song)
The Family Prayer Song (at the end of the service)
danerada,
De Colores, brother!!! I'm very involved in Walk To Emmaus here in Nebraska; I've done a lot of weekends as a Spiritual Director, but in May I get to do my second weekend as the musician, which I'm really looking forward to! WTE is really growing in Nebraska; when I "walked" in '96 we only had two or three sets of weekends each year, now we have 8-9 sets of weekends around the state.
Andy,
Do you do any John Michael Talbot stuff? I love his stuff and ordered several copies of his "One Faith" songbook from his website; I'd love to incorporate some of those into our worship, along with other older and lesser known (but usually better written and more theologically meaningful) songs into our worship; I don't think the whole church has to play from the same "top 100" Christian set list...
Mikeymac -
I have so far served on three Chrysalis teams - the lates as head ALD. My WTE weekend was two years ago and it changed my life! I have yet to serve on an Emmaus weekend, but that's okay - the Chrysalis weekends are an absolute blast.
DeColres - Fly With Christ!!!!!
danerada,
I haven't served a whole Chrysalis weekend, but I've given talks at a couple. My daughter (now 18 and in college) loved her weekend, and has gone back and helped several times. She already had a great spiritual walk, but it has been a real reinforcement for her...can't wait for my other three kids to go (when they're old enough)!
I can honestly say that even as a pastor, Emmaus changed my life! And the church I now serve would not even exist if it were not for WTE: it has focused our leadership on the right priorities for ministry!
De Colores! Its good to know that the Emmaus community is represented here. I am always amazed at the people that I meet who have their lives touched by by this wonderful ministry. ..Steve Lawson, Alabama Walk To Emmaus #157, Table of Luke
I use my D-03R acoustically with a about 30 people at weekly classes. Haven't put in a PU. I also use a classical with PU for occasional special services, but I'm not regularly involved in the music ministry, though I was for many years before stepping up to preach.
Steve - Dane Rada Chesapeake Emmaus walk #20 St. John's Table Kent Island UMC. Do you take and play your Larry at the Emmaus events? I always get great comments on my D-09 when play at the events.
QuoteSacredground,
I'm just up the road from you in Omaha - our church is literally between Gretna and Elkhorn just off 180th and Q streets: Living Faith UMC. I'm the pastor, and, right now by default, the worship leader. We have Roland drums, keyboard, acoustic and electric guitars (I usually play electric), congas, and several singers. We plug the acoustics into a couple of Acoustasonic Jr.s and then run a line out to the board.
Did you get your Larrivee from Jim Nipper at Acoustic Music Plus in Lincoln? I bought both my Larrivees from Jim, the first one 12-13 years ago when his shop was in Omaha.
When I play acoustic, I can choose from three guitars, my two Larrivees, and a new Ovation L777 (lefty 1777 Legend); but I just had to ship the Ovation back to the factory; it's only two months old, and the ebony fingerboard started to crack up the middle! Besides, the Larrys both sound excellent either unplugged (which the O doesn't!) or plugged in. After this experience with the O, I wish I would have never ordered it; I could have had a Larrivee Forum guitar instead!!!
Our set last Sunday was:
All Hail the Power of Jesus' Name (hymncharts version)
Above All (powers...)
Shout to the Lord
Lead Me, Lord (from the UM hymnal, but a great song)
The Family Prayer Song (at the end of the service)
JIm Nipper is a fine friend of mine here in Lincoln. I purchased an L05 and a mahogany parlor from him.
Our set from last sunday was:
Halleluiah YOur Love is Amazing
Days of Elijah (Robin MArk)
Nothing But the Blood (Redman)
Crown Him with Many Crowns
I stand in Awe of You
KNowing You
Glad to hear from you!
Our set list from last week:
Sunrise (by Jeff Slaughter, who does many kid's camps) has "Eye of the Tiger"
in the middle of the song, where the kids do aerobics :D )
Joy (Tree63 - John Ellis)
Indescribable (Chris Tomlin)
We play:
Crowder
Tomlin
Redman
Hughes
Newsboys
Robbie Seay Band
Billy and Cindy Foote
Derek Webb
CommonGround Band (La Tech Band)
Eoghan Heaslip
Delirious
Jacob's Well
Etc...
I lead singing for our local atheist group. Do a lot of traditional as well as contemporary songs including... How Great Thou Art, and Paul as well, I Could Sing of Your Love Forever, But I've Got To Get Home In Time For The Superbowl, Amazing Grace Slick, Shout To The North, But Don't Wake Me Up With Those D@#n Church Bells. Could list rest of but take to long. Actually have been main instrumentalist on church camping trip and far as I know nooone has become a Satanist yet. Leading singing another matter- Make a Joyful Noise doesnt even begin. Patrick
QuoteI lead singing for our local atheist group. Do a lot of traditional as well as contemporary songs including... How Great Thou Art, and Paul as well, I Could Sing of Your Love Forever, But I've Got To Get Home In Time For The Superbowl, Amazing Grace Slick, Shout To The North, But Don't Wake Me Up With Those D@#n Church Bells. Could list rest of but take to long. Actually have been main instrumentalist on church camping trip and far as I know nooone has become a Satanist yet. Leading singing another matter- Make a Joyful Noise doesnt even begin. Patrick
Yeah, I used to sing those songs too, among others. I like the ones I sing now better. :D
Recently my friend and I were put in charge of locating and purchasing a guitar for our church. My friend is a Taylor guy and I was lobbying for a Larrivee. Unfortunately, he was more convincing, and we ended up with a Taylor 414. Thank goodness we only play it plugged in. :ph34r:
QuoteOur set list from last week:
Sunrise (by Jeff Slaughter, who does many kid's camps) has "Eye of the Tiger"
in the middle of the song, where the kids do aerobics :D )
Joy (Tree63 - John Ellis)
Indescribable (Chris Tomlin)
indescribable is such a great song!!!
i introduced that one to the church in november...... i saw the webisode on "new song cafe" worshiptogether.com
any way played it with light drums and two acoustics (my larry and our associate pastor on his Duncan) jay capoed up on 7th or 9th i forget....
but it sounded awesome, we got the standing o :D
it was a very cool experience!!
cheers,
kit
sacredground,
Yes, Jim is a great guy...I actually had the honor of officiating at his and Cynthia's wedding, a few years back!
We do most of the songs you listed; Days of Elijah is a personal favorite of mine/our whole team's.
I also bought a mahogany parlor from Jim, but it was for my daughter on her 14th birthday (thus the description below!).
;)
I am in my church's Praise Band playing each week. I used to play on my Larrivee D-03E w/Fishman Prefix Plus pickup, but 3 years ago, I had a yen for a solid rosewood guitar, and bought a Martin D-16RGT w/Fishman Natural 1 active p/u. Both my Larrivee and my Martin sound good through our church's sound system.
BTW, I hope to be able to buy another Larrivee D-03E when I can afford it. I have missed my Larrivee alot since I sold it, and I want a mahogany guitar to compliment my rosewood Martin.
Our set list often contains a mix of newer and older songs like:
Shout to the North
Shout to the Lord
The Power of Your love
I could sing of your love forever
As the Deer
Above all
Here I am to worship
Lord I lift Your name on high
Open the eyes of my heart, Lord
Shine Jesus shine
Step by Step
Thy Word
You are my all in all
I will celebrate
More precious than silver
He is exalted
Great is the Lord
etc., etc.
http://forestlakechurch.org/ (http://forestlakechurch.org/)
Jeff
Hello, I play acoustic guitar on our worship team. It is a Larrivee D03R with Baggs M-1 into a PARA DI to the house PA. Other players are electric and bass guitar with keyboard, drums and vocals. The music is contemporary Christian. Our church is in a renovated warehouse, we play Sat. night and three Sunday services. Because of the time commitment I play on a 3 week rotation.
Mike
www.lifechangechurch.com
Songman,
My 6 string Larrivee has a Baggs iMix and the 12 string has a Fishman. The beater, my Ovation Celebrity gets passed around a lot too. It has the Ovation OP24 preamp.
Hi Everyone,
I too play in a Church group (St Helen's Catholic Church in Burnaby, BC). I am the olderst (56) member of our Sunday Evening youth choir and play my OMV 03re through a yamaha magicstomp and into the Church PA. I have had so many positive comments since I got the Larrivee at Christmas. Prior to that I played a Takamine Santa Fe model that is now for sale.
Our group leader plays a Yamaha electric piano way too loud. The guitar the the electric piano occupy basically the same musical space.
Our set list for last Sunday was:
Seek the Lord
Beatitudes
Shout to the Lord
Children of the Light
I am always looking for music to bring to the group so if anyone has suggestions I am listening.
QuoteOur group leader plays a Yamaha electric piano way too loud. The guitar the the electric piano occupy basically the same musical space.
David,
I have the same problem with our piano/keyboard player (she plays through our full size Roland keyboard into the PA).
The problem with most "trained" pianists is that they're used to covering all the bases!! They want to play the bass, the chords, the fills, all the while adding the vocal lines as well!!! Drives me nuts! I love her to death, but she doesn't understand how to back off and give the other instruments (and voices) their own space...which as you experience, turns the sound into mud.
Maybe we should all tie one of our keyboard players hand's behind their backs...then they would be playing just about the right number of notes!
<_<
QuoteQuoteOur group leader plays a Yamaha electric piano way too loud. The guitar the the electric piano occupy basically the same musical space.
We had the same problem with our keyboard player (who si a trained pianist). Then at one of our practices I was praying and prayed that there be no ego in our band and that we be in unity as servants of God to lead his children into the Throne Room. I have been praying the same thin ever since, and we have not had those problems since. I really think that sometimes more than training, it is a matter of ego as well as the lack of being used to having other parts of a team to work with. Unity is the key.....
Not that your issues are the same as ours. I was just sharing...
You really need someone who's used to playing keyboards in a band, and not someone who has always been the church pianist.
We had a similar situation in a church I used to go to. I came into the band after they had been going for a while (with no guitar player). The lady was an excellent piano player, but was not a band keyboard player. They ended up bringing another fellow in, whose main thing was playing keyboards in a band. It made all the difference in the world. The piano player was not happy, but it was the right thing to do for the direction the music director wanted to go.
As I said earlier, at the church I attend now, our main worship leader is a guitar player, with years of professional experience. Needless to say, we don't have an issue of the keyboards drowning out the other instruments. :D
QuoteHi Everyone,
I too play in a Church group (St Helen's Catholic Church in Burnaby, BC). I am the olderst (56) member of our Sunday Evening youth choir and play my OMV 03re through a yamaha magicstomp and into the Church PA. I have had so many positive comments since I got the Larrivee at Christmas. Prior to that I played a Takamine Santa Fe model that is now for sale.
Our group leader plays a Yamaha electric piano way too loud. The guitar the the electric piano occupy basically the same musical space.
Our set list for last Sunday was:
Seek the Lord
Beatitudes
Shout to the Lord
Children of the Light
I am always looking for music to bring to the group so if anyone has suggestions I am listening.
well another Lower Mainlander!!! yeeeeeeeeeee haw!
i haven't seen you around! welcome to the boards :D
i play at heritage mountain community church in Port Moody!
as for music....
for worship i am really digging the whole david crowder, casting crowns, chris tomlin.... oh and one of my favs, the third day worship stuff is awesome for a band to get into! check it out....
i can point you in the direction of tab sites if you would like....
pm me.
cheers,
Kit
Guys!
If you have choice of between using guitar+Keyboard or Guitar+ Piano, Which would be better combo?
Remember, It's a 6-7 member group in a 150 capacity sanctuary playing Crowder/Tomblin and simiilar.
QuoteGuys!
If you have choice of between using guitar+Keyboard or Guitar+ Piano, Which would be better combo?
Remember, It's a 6-7 member group in a 150 capacity sanctuary playing Crowder/Tomblin and simiilar.
I like guitar + keyboard. There are so many more options with a keyboard than with piano.
QuoteGuys!
If you have choice of between using guitar+Keyboard or Guitar+ Piano, Which would be better combo?
Remember, It's a 6-7 member group in a 150 capacity sanctuary playing Crowder/Tomblin and simiilar.
guitar + keyboard.....
so much more you can do with the keys!....
but how about 2 guitars + 0 keys :D
I don't lead worship or worship leaders (and I watch the parking meters). :ph34r:
QuoteQuoteGuys!
If you have choice of between using guitar+Keyboard or Guitar+ Piano, Which would be better combo?
Remember, It's a 6-7 member group in a 150 capacity sanctuary playing Crowder/Tomblin and simiilar.
guitar + keyboard.....
so much more you can do with the keys!....
but how about 2 guitars + 0 keys :D
2 guitar would be great, but the lady(piano player) don't play guitar.
Keyboards? We don't need no stinking keyboards! :lol: (in my best Cheech voice). Just joking...
Parking meters???? :unsure:
"Don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters."
Okay, how about "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."
Quote"Don't follow leaders, watch the parking meters."
Okay, how about "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."
Those must be Canadian sayings. :lol:
Down here in the south we say things like, "fine as frog's hair", when asked how we're doing. :D
Or "a bird in hand is worth two in the bush", although I've never really quantified that one.
Or step on a crack, break your mama's back, or something like that.
Hey, Hibbing IS very close to Canada! That might explain a lot. All those cold Canadian air masses. Oh, speaking of worship, has anyone ever played a Larrivée at an Air Mass?
Yeah I have been doing worship for over 6 years and I am learning new stuff all the time especially about what real worship is. I used to use my takamine for worship cause it had a good live sound but now I use a J-10 with a K&K pure western mini and man does it growl. Those of you who know, know my dad bought the j-10 from me but he lets me use it.
Also check out my thread here about worship songs.
http://www.larriveeforum.com/forums/index....t=ST&f=9&t=4678 (http://www.larriveeforum.com/forums/index.php?act=ST&f=9&t=4678)
Sounds like you are a member of the Church of Dylan , ducktrapper.
QuoteOkay, how about "You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows."
Wasn't that the motto of the old SDS underground movement from California back in the late 60's? I think their nickname was "The Weathermen".
QuotePrior to that I played a Takamine Santa Fe model that is now for sale.
I still have my '95 Takamine Santa Fe-my first acoustic. In need of a new nut and neck reset(not worth the money), I still pick it up sometimes.
QuoteI play in the praise band at First Presbyterian in Great Falls, and we are lucky if we can get everyone a mic that works! I play guitar (usually a Larrivee) and sing, and we have another guitar player, a drummer, piano player (used to be keyboard player, until it died), and a couple of young singers. It is fun, but we are light years from your setup. Our church was slow to accept the praise band, but now we have two services, one for traditional and one for praise. During the summer we did combined services, and unfortunately we had more than one aged congregation member get up and leave during our songs, saying "TOO LOUD!". Hopefully we'll become more accepted by the older parishoners. Jason
Take heart, Jason. That's how we started 10 years ago. We now have 5 guitars, several vocalists, and a conga drum. We used to have a string bass, but he's in the military (my daughter's best friend, his name is Jason, too) right now. Between us we have my Larrivee OM, my husband's Guild Jumbo 12-string, a 70s Martin D-18, a sweet Gibson dread, and a Yamaha nylon string. The Gibson player sometimes plays her banjo or mandolin, depending on the song. We are still looking for a keyboard player. We play lots of newer P&W stuff, as well as at least one old classic hymn per service. Some of the people who walked out on us in the beginning are now our biggest proponents.
Deb
Also, Jason, those people who are complaining that you are too loud...I bet they never said that when they heard a pipe organ played full blast!!! It's all about what you grew up with...and we try to be sensitive to everyone's tastes, while keeping the overall worship experience coherent (tough to go from "In the Secret" to "Leaning on the Everlasting Arms"!!!).
We try to use at least one/two hymns each Sunday as well; we have found some good hymn arrangements at hymncharts.com; they'll let you download a copy of All Hail the Power of Jesus Name, which we used again last Sunday; good arrangement.
Well, I've had my L-09E for a few weeks now. I use it for contemporary worship every Sunday morning. We play a lot of Passion stuff (i.e. Chris Tomlin, Matt Redman, David Crowder, etc.) I really just look for and pray about the best lyrics for that weeks topic & run with it.
Actually, this is the 1st week of a church plant I'm heavily involved in. The church I was attending (about 1500 strong) has planted 3 different services in the past 3 years. It's awesome to be a part of it.
Hi Everyone,
What a great series of topics!
Playing in a Church group with a "trained" piano player who is used to doing it all (finding the songs, teaching the harmony to the singers, playing the music etc) makes it is difficult to get her to stop playing the chords, the fills, the melody - the whole darn song! I appreciate the comments of other players with similar experiences. Since I have been playing my Larrivee, more and more people have approached me to comment on the nice sound -two parishoners have asked the group leader (piano player) if we could play some songs with just the guitar! I have adopted a very low key approach to playing in this group. I view my role is to be helpful, not to cause egos to be hurt. I'll just keep on playing as well as I know how, but I sure wish the group leader would pick a few more guitar friendly songs. I can relate to the comments about chord changes on every note and always playing in Eb. Why is it that so many hymns have an F#m7?
I find it interesting that many of our Churches are playing the same songs, Catholics, Protestants etc. I think that it is wonderful that music brings people togther in joy.
Great topic! My wife and I do the worship music for our bible study that we have in our home. I just got my D-09 and it's a sweet thing to worship with. Prior to getting the Larry i've been using a Seagull, actually several birds. It's such blessing to read all of you worshiping the Lord with your God given talents. PTL.
I use my D-70 or D-10 when leading at a small home study. For now I'm using my Taylor Windom Hill with a Ultrasound AG-50DS2 through the PA System on Sundays when I get to play. However, I want to start using my D-10 and use the Ultrasound as a monitor being that I just purchased an Ultrasound Ultra PDI.
1 Chronicles 16:33 "Then the trees of the forest will sing, they will sing for joy before the LORD..." My sitka spruce and indian rosewood sing as much as they can to the Lord. :D
David
QuoteI view my role is to be helpful, not to cause egos to be hurt. I'll just keep on playing as well as I know how, but I sure wish the group leader would pick a few more guitar friendly songs.
davidsowk -
That's right...It's not about us anyway...but it is fun to play those guitar songs for Christ! Be patient and I am sure you will be rewarded with some guitar led songs...your attitude sounds great and will not go unnoticed by the Lord.
QuoteSounds like you are a member of the Church of Dylan , ducktrapper.
Nah. Like Groucho, I wouldn't join any church that would have me. And also unlike Dylan, devil or the lord, non serviam. At least not without representation. ;)
QuoteI can relate to the comments about chord changes on every note and always playing in Eb. Why is it that so many hymns have an F#m7?
I find it interesting that many of our Churches are playing the same songs, Catholics, Protestants etc. I think that it is wonderful that music brings people togther in joy.
Hymns are generally written in keys for piano. If it's in Eb, you can alway capo up 1 fret and play in the key of D.
Many of the remakes of hymns that are being done today, particulary by Passion, are in very open chord voicings with less chord changes (it gives a more modern feel to the songs).
F#m7 - one way that I like to play this, that sounds better for open voices choruses than the barre chord, IMO, is like this:
....E...A...D...G...B...E
....x...o...o...o...o...o
1
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2................X
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3
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4.......X...X
I tend to emphasize the A-G strings, moreso than the B&E strings on this.
A lot of the newer worship songs and re-done hymns sound great with a Cut-Capo...
I aslo lead worship at church with the larry and love it!
QuoteI have adopted a very low key approach to playing in this group. I view my role is to be helpful, not to cause egos to be hurt. I'll just keep on playing as well as I know how, but I sure wish the group leader would pick a few more guitar friendly songs.
Our church worship was very traditional at first, consisting mostly of a pianist who fills the whole song with chords/arpegios/melodies/scales/kitchen sink, you name it. So when we formed praise bands it was difficult to fit in that pianist and not have her encroach on say the bass parts or rhythm parts on the piano. It didn't help that she's a piano teacher not used to people giving her advice on her playing. On the other team where the other pianist wasn't as headstrong, after talking with her she learned to play keyboard and has become an integral part of that team.
davidsowk I understand your situation and I think that's a very good and humble attitude you have. Hopefully the pianist lead would take people's suggestion and be more open to other intruments.
Here's a good article by Rick Warren of the Saddleback church and of the Purpose Drive Life fame on targeting your praise/worship (http://www.pastors.com/RWMT/default.asp?id=190&artid=2924&expand=1)
The replies and comments on this thread have touched my heart, thank you for taking the time to care! and thank you for the suggestions.
I play my larrivee as a part of the musical group at our Sunday evening church service, the morning services have a very traditional (read, old) choir singing all the organ hymns. Last year, a new Pastor asked that the music at our service be "toned down" and be more "prayerful". In a very short time we lost half of our audience as people went to other services or other churches. We also lost some of our best singers. Happily the Pastor has realized "A song often can touch people in a way that a sermon can't." and we are now back on track. I completely believe "It's the message, not the music" but music deliver the message in a way that can be more powerful than the best sermon. When the singers and the musicians blend together just right, I can get goosebumps! and my Larrivee is an important tool in this process.
QuoteWhen the singers and the musicians blend together just right, I can get goosebumps! and my Larrivee is an important tool in this process.
I LOVE WHEN THAT HAPPENS!
just came back from practise..... more less a jam session. it was a ton of fun, learnt a new song for sunday, and had some good laughs!
the goose bumps and the hair standing on the back of your neck while you're laying down a killer rhythm, and the words and voices fill the gym.... what a feeling!
love it when sunday comes around :lol:
I play service music several times a month for a Episcopal church (we Episcopalians don't do "praise" music as a rule). I usually use my Collings as it is my standard tuning guitar - my OM-09 is used for open D, open G, and drop G (DGDGBE). Both guitars have McIntyre pickups which I run through an LRB Para-DI. Most of my playing for them is fingerstyle instrumental. Some recent selections:
In the Bleak Midwinter
Silent Night
We Three Kings
St. Patrick's Breastplate (the 6th verse which was composed by Ralph Vaughn
Williams)
Simple Gifts (done in Drop G on the Larrivee)
In Christ There Is No East or West (performed as a voluntary; the John Fahey
arrangement)
Several other things from the 1982 Hymnal which I know only by number.
Ken S.
Sorry, I went back and reread the source question and realized I had mis-quoted who the question was from, sorry MikeyMac...posted question on the second page...
I don't think the obscure monk music is so much by John Talbot, although I wasn't aware that you could buy his music arranged for guitar. I'll have to check that out as we do play alot of his stuff. Thanks for the info.
I think including the play list from what you played in church last week idea is a cool addition, and could almost become a new folder in it's own right on what did you play last week. Might be interesting to see what people did and how they did it (strum or finger style).
Andy
I'm a member of a small care group that meets on Thursday nights for praise, worship, bible study, prayer, potluck, get-together, love fest. Our teaching pastor leads the group and usually starts out with a few songs.
I took my new L-09R with me last night and asked him to use it instead of his own. Reluctantly (he's partial to his own guitar - I'm not sure what it is). Well, I want you to know, he enjoyed that Larry sooooo much - I felt guilty about going home with it! He's a really good player, too, so it was sweet to hear someone who knows how to play it (unlike me)!
He told me to be sure to bring it again (anytime)> heh heh
Blessings!
QuoteI took my new L-09R with me last night and asked him to use it instead of his own. Reluctantly (he's partial to his own guitar - I'm not sure what it is). Well, I want you to know, he enjoyed that Larry sooooo much - I felt guilty about going home with it! He's a really good player, too, so it was sweet to hear someone who knows how to play it (unlike me)!
He told me to be sure to bring it again (anytime)> heh heh
Blessings!
WE HAVE ANOTHER CONVERT!!!
jimi issues snowy a voucher for a new TOASTER!!
i get a simular reaction.....
after our first service the band jams a little while the coffee and donuts are consumed!
i get the "others" that come up to the stage and want to give my girl a whirl.... too funny
then you get the usual comment after they're done "wow, someday!" :)
Hmmm - ducktrapper -- might I be so bold? -- the beauty of what touches the folks in this thread is that we (and YOU) do have (and had representation)! His name is Jesus. Private message me for more info. :P
No offense to anyone intended, please -- I'm just sharing.
I've been leading on and off the past few years since college. Just led for the first time at my new church in MD last week with my DV-03 w/ IBeam active. Have gotten good comments on the sound ever since I got the guitar... it's hard to respond that it's all for God's glory without sounding trite.
Last week's set:
Invitation Fountain
How Great is Our God (C. Tomlin)
God of Wonders
Alas and did my Savior Bleed
O Lord my Heart Longs to Be
Next time, I'm going to try out a Martin D-15 spruce/rosewood w/Baggs M1 I just got. I think the only difference though will be to my own ears.
QuoteHmmm - ducktrapper -- might I be so bold? -- the beauty of what touches the folks in this thread is that we (and YOU) do have (and had representation)! His name is Jesus. Private message me for more info. :P
No offense to anyone intended, please -- I'm just sharing.
You may. I'm just funning you. Somehow the term "worship leaders" makes me <shudder>. No offense intended here either. As for representation line, hey I'm Canadian! :lol:
QuoteSomehow the term "worship leaders" makes me <shudder>.
Well, you could say Music director, but worship is not about the music, although it's certainly a big part.
"Head Worship Participator"? :P "Worship Facilitator"?
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You may. I'm just funning you. Somehow the term "worship leaders" makes me <shudder>. No offense intended here either. As for representation line, hey I'm Canadian! :lol:[/QUOTE]
LOL -- hey, ducktrapper -- a Southerner. Well, south of me anyhow.
Wow! What a great thread. I play my Larrivee 12 string with two others, an Ibanez and a Yamaha every Suday night. The three 12s sound great together. We play many of the songs listed above in this thread. What a great pleasure it is to serve Him doing something we love.
No Larrivee yet. :D So the Taylor will be up this Sunday as I'm going to be doing a special song one that my brother wrote. A few years back.
Hi, Jim Holler here from Trinity Guitras,
Yes I lead song in church with a Larrivee some times - L10 I also use a guitar (HD 28 stlye) that I built for myself about 15 years age . It is a Trinity.
Waging peace with music
Hi, Jim Holler here from Trinity Guitras,
Yes I lead song in church with a Larrivee some times - L10 I als0 use a guitar (HD 28 stlye) that I built for myself about 15 years age . It is a Trinity.
Waging peace with music
Jim,
Are you still making guitars?
well we almost had a MURDER at church.....
one of the sound guys was tearing down the stage and take down some of my equipment.
he moved my guitar down to the floor with my stand, so i thought ok ..... i was just winding up my patch cord and folding my strap when i hear a crash....
this guy kid was pretending he was mary poppins .... swinging my amp like a suitcase and he clipped my D-60 and sent it crashing to the ground .
needless to say i am so P'd right now, but trying to forgive and have grace... my girl has a nasty scratch in the back ahhhhhhh.... not sure if there is any internal damage :(
anyways.... has this happened to anyone else.
This is quite a thread....
but speakin of leading praise with a larrivee, this past weekend, I had the honor to see Bebo Norman in concert at Moody Bible Institute's founder's week. As I walked into the sanctuary, from afar, i recognized a taylor dread from the six guitars on stage.. the rest were rather tough to distinguish.. then Bebo came onto stage and grabbed a guitar.. imediately I recognized that he was holding an L body and got crazy excited. Then the camera focused in on his guitar and there on the jumbo screens, was a close-up of the larrivee. I'm guessing it was an older model L-09. It was a spruce top, rosewood body, gloss finish... but w/o the maple bindings(i think it was rosewood) and a rosewood headstock veneer and no fancy inlays.. it looked sooo classy.. well, the guitar sounded amazing.. and Bebo is just incredible.. it was an amazing blessing to see this man of faith in action...
-dp
Quotewell we almost had a MURDER at church.....
one of the sound guys was tearing down the stage and take down some of my equipment.
he moved my guitar down to the floor with my stand, so i thought ok ..... i was just winding up my patch cord and folding my strap when i hear a crash....
this guy kid was pretending he was mary poppins .... swinging my amp like a suitcase and he clipped my D-60 and sent it crashing to the ground .
needless to say i am so P'd right now, but trying to forgive and have grace... my girl has a nasty scratch in the back ahhhhhhh.... not sure if there is any internal damage :(
anyways.... has this happened to anyone else.
jimithing,
Hasn't happened to my Larry, but it did happen to my first electric guitar, a cheapo Peavey that I got for HS graduation. A Bose 801 speaker cover knocked into her and put a nice big dent in the finish right on the front.
I can completely understand your near murderous thoughts. Sounds like you are handling it o.k.
I know that some reading this thread may not understand what I'm about to say, but here is what put's me in the right frame of mind. Every once in awhile, I say a prayer of dedication of my instruments to God's use and purposes. I pray that whatever may befall them, whether on-stage damage, or theft, or whatnot, that His end is accomplished with my use of them.
It's helped me be alot less uptight about leaving Larry on the platform between services. This isn't to say that I'm not up on the platform soon after our last service of the day to get Larry into his nice comfy case, but I worry much less about it than I used to.
My Larry was the first real quality instrument that I ever had and probably will have for a long time - even though it's only an 03 model, it still is the best piece of gear I own by far.
You might want to get an estimate on a repair from one of the reputable dealers on the forum and see if your church's insurance policy might cover the cost of repair.
-Scott
QuoteJim,
Are you still making guitars?
Yes I am still making guitars. Have a classical Eight string, Trinity bent top Pat. Pending, and a very cool quilted maple 1600 parlor. The parlor will be a steel string!. These are amazing little guitars. You can see the process of building these guitars at http://www.trinityguitars.com/CP.htm (http://www.trinityguitars.com/CP.htm)
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this guy kid was pretending he was mary poppins .... swinging my amp like a suitcase and he clipped my D-60 and sent it crashing to the ground .
It was the night before Christmas and all throught the church.
There were children a runnen with out a care.....
One of them ran into one of these big balk music stands and sent it crashing into the top of my Trinity Guitar I had built for myself. The guitar flipped into the air did a back flip and landed on it top on the floor. There were wood chips in the path! It survived with a huge gouge in the top , now repaired but visable. This all happened abopuy 2 Mins. before I had to start playing to a packed church. I was a sad Chrismas eve for me and my guitar.
jim...
those trinity guitars look very nice. great work!
btw, i lead worship with my larrivee dread each week. i can't imagine a more balanced guitar than my larrivee. a true value/quality based product for the working musician.
Very nice Jim! I'd love to build a guitar someday.
I've been doing the music for the kids at our church for the last 4 or 5 years. We now have a full band and do 3 services every Sunday. A few years ago, before we built our own building, we were still doing 2 services. After finishing the worship time at the 1st service with the kids, I went back over to the main service to catch the remainder of the service.
Whan I returned, the headstock of my Taylor had a gouge taken out. The childrens minister we had at the time, had knocked over my guitar stand. The guitar and stand fell off of the 1 ft high stage, directly onto the headstock.
The childrens minister said, "we can buy you a new one, if we need to". I could tell she was thinking it probably cost a couple hundred dollars. I said, "I don't think you know how much this cost".
Anyway, while being sad that the guitar got knocked over, I was extremely grateful that their was NO damage to the neck. I had the headstock sealed and don't even notice it today. However, I make sure that my guitars are on a section of the stage, where they can't be easily knocked over.
thanks guys for your words.... my larry is my first real quality guitar.
i saved for soooo long and piliged some of my wifes inheritance to pay for it...... anyways the rest of the story is above.
I should taken the kid out back for a good ol' fashion sacrifice! :o
still a little upset about the scratch but finding more grace and forgivness as the moments past.
kit
Seeing as how there are so many worship leaders and p&w musicians here has anyone entertained the idea of a get together for people who live in the same parts of the country. I for one am in Va and would love to get together with forumites in the dc,nc,md, etc area for a weekend of worship music and fellowship. Just thinkin..
Chris
i'd be into that if anyone is in the lower mainland in BC!
could be good times..... don't mind the scratch on my baby....
i'm not an abusive guitar player.... it wasn't me! :o
I'm in the Atlanta area.
Anyone north of Canada?? LOL
I do travel a lot, so if the get-together were at the right time. I'll be in Florida, DC and St. Louis at various times in the next 6 months.
That'd be fun!
Snowy if your ever near Tallahassee Fla stop on by. :)
Great Thread!
I don't lead worship, but they occasionally let me do some special music. One of the highlights for me was playing "Windy and Warm" and having some of the kids sponaneously start swaying and clapping. This is at a VERY traditional church during regular service! I thought some of the of the older ladies were going to faint!
I've also been blessed with being allowed to play my own arrangement of "Silent Night" (in Open D) for the last 4 years to close out our Christmas Eve serivce. They do a candle light thing and turn the lights out and sing a couple verses then I do a couple solo verses before the end. I looked up after finishing a couple years ago and a middle aged lady, with tears in her eyes, was giving me smile and a thumbs up. Sent chills down my spine. That meant more to me than any applause I've gotten playing in a bar.
David
David, have you recorded your Silent Night? Is there an .mp3 available?
Well, Don, Ask and you shall receive! I just recorded it. Got a 3meg .mp3 - But I can't post it... Can I eamil it to you?
It's really a pretty simple tune -at least the way I play it... I can send you tab for the basic progression. let me know if you want it?
David
Don,
Here's David's Silent Night recording................
http://www.tomyoungguitar.com/tunes/Silent...htBerchtold.mp3 (http://www.tomyoungguitar.com/tunes/SilentNightBerchtold.mp3)